rec.sport.hockey	superstar and attend teemu selann leader dean falcion post jrmst pitt edu write wrote pen mario grant big public etc etc and interest immedi gener gretzki thing for imnsho team mark improv attend team record not improv year lemieux pittsburgh finish point arriv pen finish and point coupl stanlei cup thrown thi point pen attend capac sellout hadn made playoff sinc you explain place team break attend record haven playoff year mario lemieux explan imho you make case that expect improv team that make playoff reason funni you mention thi exactli case make reason lemieux had point season and gretzki win hart and ross sinc peopl turn watch plai will grant that star mario will draw fan even team suck thi short term not attend increas will last team win competit improv butt kick pittsburgh get peopl continu support suddenli drop point you knee surgeri for peopl jump bandwagon year pen had point not number nhl guid and record book made transact and build winner mario that true improv attend start thi coffei late and even had playoff bound team doubl attend occur previou year increas point point not that arriv mario lemieux you can give credit mario sinc deserv point that wasn mario expect thing come win team that creat great hockei superstar and jump and nit pick and minc word back and read thi thread start fan mind suddenli found interest mario and pen gee mario lemieux amaz watch plai gee kick ass gui side watch plai similar thing happen gretzki arriv per game constant sellout sell game despit show improv sinc gretzki year you explain peopl gretzki aren winner haven winner had team past histori didn draw don thi accur ticket sell peopl don game thi thread discuss season ticket holder don us ticket effect king initi success gretzki arriv point sourc and attend jump effect drop attend even ticket sale not chang whether not king winner debat claim that sinc gretzki arriv competit claim that mcnall made stupid move reassembl oiler dynasti that anoth stori and includ don mcnall mcnall heavi market gretzki and that undoubtedli respons for attend and merchandis sale etc king tailspin past coupl year empti seat forum even ticket sold case lemieux gretzki player can transcend win major draw power for short term imo that inevit that team will improv player such lemieux gretzki simpli make peopl win hell help full agreement thi not make roger point valid jet aren you roger had valid point couldn resist get huge jump product get huge jump attend thi due emerg teemu selann record hockei hell isn win wors last year type reason appli pittsburgh fan appli extra peopl show winnipeg game difficult predict you that jet miss playoff season that year will maintain attend level doubt that case expect improv team selann provid exampl rocket ismail and toronto argonaut cfl you leav you don cfl that case fair isn case curiou hear your explan
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team leader articl mar ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write jet us breakawai pass scheme creat score sensat order gener interest team score goal winnipeg selann ic winnipeg score ic can contribut can describ impress implicitli you assum that goal score winnipeg selann ic can blame roger forward winnipeg lousi defens record put anoth john cullen terribl your excus for that powerplai point don count selann object game not feed selann win and feed selann not contribut meaning win knowledg hockei observ world agre that feed selann can score contribut meaning win pat burn wouldn goal suck thi team you worri teemu you glenn anderson your team don selann jet manag and object exercis not selann win hockei game score refer you comment selann grandstand goal suck you parad arm outstretch score goal you messiah had return nope didn busi watch foligno jump and goal
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion can comment king obviou candid for pleasant surpris alex zhitnik highli tout defens defenseman that great skater and hard shot accur fact pretti allow king trade that huge defens liabil paul coffei kelli hrudei biggest disappoint you thought good begin mediocr goaltend choic toma sandstrom not fault thug toronto decid threaten career order avoid conced goal that award robert lang uninspir czech robitail easili mvp prefer give rob blake quietli leagu premier defensemen and king manag hold and rest young defens dai mean that fewer goal hartford honor mention majest marti and warren rychel jon
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write mvp biggest biggest supris disappoint lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei chosen alex zhitnik for biggest supris expect that becom great defenseman don knew that thi impress rooki year speed skate abil and puck control except watch king kri kri assist uci edu king
rec.sport.hockey	ncaa final winner main beat lssu logistician reign suprem blue tiger piston lion red wing ching wpi wpi edu
rec.sport.hockey	and gotta last night leaf game devil nail bitter you plai game team thought don and ron night for leaf and devil outplai toronto beg differ imho clark deserv star gilmour fast break net and good opportunit that creat remind clark not credit gilmour leaf plai great hockei injuri list includ cullen ellet zezel macoun question thi will leaf fare onc healthi plai thi second stand second defenc move last month haven lost home last game game undef streak etc btw wrong thi potvin shut can rememb april that race for norri begun and will close race chicago and toronto and game season will last each lucki ticket thi come stretch and roar leaf alfr yong jeh yim toronto win mathemat actuari scienc cup univers waterloo canada coca cola idea person mail ayim descart waterloo edu
rec.sport.hockey	give blood tee shirt shirt not bob probert line cloth shirt give blood fight probi cool sound cult classic can post address phone store that sell jake
rec.sport.hockey	ncaa final winner lake state main final won post
rec.sport.hockey	trade rumor montreal ottawa philli sprach slegg kean uc mun tsn sportsdesk report that ottawa sun report that montreal will send player million includ vin damphouss and brian bellow phillidelphia philli will send eric lindro ottawa and ottawa will give round pick montreal thi true will like depend whether not ottawa get choos can ottawa afford lindro salari person can philli give lindro for didn give that quebec trade not mention that lindro huge draw philli and that repres success futur for franchis ottawa take player montreal for pick stephen legg slegg kean uc munc two thing didn trade deadlin pass two week ago flyer never give lindro simpl that flyer cup mike rush marillion elp genesi king crimson dream theater beatl mike weintraub aka jvi irc courag convict mweintr american edu will drag dream jedi wave cerf net into exist american univers washington rush not limbaugh philadelphia flyer vancouv canuck philadelphia philli
rec.sport.hockey	alignn expans articl zhj idacom andrew idacom andrew scott write articl apr nntpd cxo dec nixdorf etr eric nixdorf write divis align six team each central norri and pacif smyth divis team each northeast adam and atlant patrick divis thought occur that inher realign expans team central divis and team pacif divis noth publish that that nhl expans committe form coupl year back ottawa and tampa bai expans john zeigler state time that nhl expans plan grow team per divis turn centuri andrew scott andrew idacom idacom telecom divis ext roman era consid last night shark broadcast commission bettman interview intermiss made bone expans perman hold satisfi that current allot fulli stabl thi mean that citi for club forese futur will wait team locat fail reloc thi good imo sens expand mean fail franchis mold tom galvin galvint tauru np navi mil
rec.sport.hockey	nhl summari pars result for game plai sat april tampa bai philadelphia period philadelphia carkner unassist philadelphia hawgood recchi lindro philadelphia lindro recchi hawgood tampa bai beer zamun chamber second period tampa bai andersson hamrlik lafrenier philadelphia conroi butsayev faust philadelphia beranek gallei hawgood period philadelphia recchi brind amour gallei philadelphia power plai scorer pt beranek brind amour butsayev carkner conroi faust gallei hawgood lindro recchi tampa bai power plai scorer pt andersson beer chamber hamrlik lafrenier zamun vancouv detroit period detroit kozlov fedorov chiasson detroit drake ciccarelli coffei vancouv ron slegr bure second period detroit sheppard drake hiller detroit ciccarelli chiasson drake period detroit ysebaert fedorov chevelda detroit power plai special goal total scorer pt chevelda chiasson ciccarelli coffei drake fedorov hiller kozlov sheppard ysebaert vancouv power plai scorer pt bure ron slegr buffalo boston period buffalo audett corkum wood boston juneau neeli oat second period buffalo errei lafontain khmylev boston douri sweenei bourqu period boston donato unassist boston power plai scorer pt bourqu donato douri juneau neeli oat sweenei buffalo power plai scorer pt audett corkum errei khmylev lafontain wood calgari san jose period calgari suter reichel macinni second period san jose zmolek odger evason san jose kisio garpenlov gaudreau calgari lindberg macinni period score overtim calgari fleuri otto yawnei calgari power plai scorer pt fleuri lindberg macinni otto reichel suter yawnei san jose power plai scorer pt evason garpenlov gaudreau kisio odger zmolek pittsburgh quebec period quebec kamenski huffman quebec young lapoint huffman second period pittsburgh mullen lemieux murphi pittsburgh lemieux tocchet samuelsson pittsburgh lemieux tocchet steven quebec young sundin kovalenko period pittsburgh tippett unassist pittsburgh tippett mceachern mullen pittsburgh power plai special goal total scorer pt lemieux mceachern mullen murphi samuelsson steven tippett tocchet quebec power plai scorer pt huffman kamenski kovalenko lapoint sundin young jersei toronto period score second period score period toronto gilmour andreychuk anderson toronto power plai scorer pt anderson andreychuk gilmour jersei power plai score ottawa hartford period ottawa maciv baker luongo hartford kron nyland gosselin hartford burt cassel verbeek hartford cunneyworth yake nyland hartford sanderson cassel houda hartford verbeek cassel zalapski second period hartford sanderson cassel zalapski period hartford kron poulin burt ottawa turgeon lamb ottawa baker luongo maciv hartford power plai scorer pt burt cassel cunneyworth gosselin houda kron nyland poulin sanderson verbeek yake zalapski ottawa power plai scorer pt baker lamb luongo maciv turgeon winnipeg edmonton period winnipeg tkachuk houslei zhamnov edmonton klima ciger elik second period winnipeg king unassist winnipeg zhamnov selann winnipeg domi selann houslei period edmonton manson unassist winnipeg eagl numminen bautin winnipeg zhamnov ulanov selann edmonton gelina kravchuk ranford edmonton kravchuk buchberg winnipeg power plai scorer pt bautin domi eagl houslei king numminen selann tkachuk ulanov zhamnov edmonton power plai scorer pt buchberg ciger elik gelina klima kravchuk manson ranford chicago loui period loui shanahan jannei hull second period chicago murphi chelio roenick loui shanahan hedican jannei chicago noonan murphi chelio loui bozon chicago roenick sutter murphi period score overtim score loui power plai special goal total scorer pt bozon chelio hedican hull jannei murphi shanahan chicago power plai scorer pt chelio murphi noonan roenick sutter montreal island period score second period montreal brunet carbonneau daigneault island turgeon thoma kurver island mullen unassist period montreal bellow desjardin dipietro montreal damphouss desjardin bellow montreal power plai scorer pt bellow brunet carbonneau daigneault damphouss desjardin dipietro island power plai scorer pt kurver mullen thoma turgeon minnesota lo angel period minnesota dahlen unassist minnesota courtnal dahlen modano second period minnesota mcphee sjodin hatcher period score minnesota power plai scorer pt courtnal dahlen hatcher mcphee modano sjodin lo angel power plai score
rec.sport.hockey	nhl summari pars result for game plai sun april ranger washington period ranger grave turcott low ranger gartner messier ranger olczyk messier amont second period ranger beukeboom unassist period score ranger power plai scorer pt amont beukeboom gartner grave low messier olczyk turcott washington power plai score boston buffalo period score second period boston leach weslei oat boston oat douri poulin period boston douri bourqu boston power plai special goal total scorer pt bourqu douri leach oat poulin weslei buffalo power plai score pittsburgh jersei period pittsburgh franci lemieux tocchet second period pittsburgh murphi franci mullen pittsburgh franci tocchet lemieux pittsburgh jagr tocchet franci jersei zelepukin driver lemieux period jersei maclean nichol steven pittsburgh lemieux jagr pittsburgh power plai special goal total scorer pt franci jagr lemieux mullen murphi tocchet jersei power plai scorer pt driver lemieux maclean nichol steven zelepukin toronto philadelphia period philadelphia dineen beranek hawgood philadelphia mcgill lindro recchi second period philadelphia lindro recchi gallei period philadelphia dineen hawgood gallei philadelphia power plai scorer pt beranek dineen gallei hawgood lindro mcgill recchi toronto power plai score vancouv ottawa period score second period vancouv plavsic craven vancouv momesso nedv plavsic period vancouv bure unassist vancouv power plai scorer pt bure craven momesso nedv plavsic ottawa power plai score loui chicago period chicago sutter murphi chelio loui jannei shanahan brown chicago roenick chelio smith chicago roenick sutter chelio chicago graham gilbert ruuttu loui jannei shanahan crossman second period score period chicago murphi chelio belfour loui miller hull jannei loui jannei miller shanahan chicago power plai scorer pt belfour chelio gilbert graham murphi roenick ruuttu smith sutter loui power plai scorer pt brown crossman hull jannei miller shanahan calgari san jose period calgari otto yawnei ashton san jose odger pederson wilkinson second period calgari nieuwendyk johansson rees calgari reichel skrudland berub period calgari ashton otto fleuri san jose pederson odger evason san jose odger gaudreau evason calgari power plai scorer pt ashton berub fleuri johansson nieuwendyk otto rees reichel skrudland yawnei san jose power plai scorer pt evason gaudreau odger pederson wilkinson
rec.sport.hockey	playoff predict stanlei cup champion vancouv canuck pittsburgh walk jack penguin will win cup stop not canuck predict patrick divis winner pittsburgh adam divis winner quebec montreal norri divis winner detroit smyth divis winner winnipeg wale confer champ pittsburgh campbel confer champ detroit stanlei cup champion pittsburgh canuck suck lose round compliment winnipeg and teemu selann pen almost unstopp mario lemieux
rec.sport.hockey	colour puck not note articl apr bnr dwarf bcarh bnr jim jordan preced set wha season us red puck for exhibit game and blue for regular season thankfulli abandon favour black season began reason that wha abandon blue puck fact that crumbl quickli plai blue dye that us affect vulcan rubber puck decreas cohes terri uicvm uic edu
rec.sport.hockey	pool win gold apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto write articl porp zaphod axion nmcglynn axion write risen pool season pull world championship and not enter part pool host pool and won game progress pool finish pool and last year host pool win game pool won game and pool world champion year perhap show you canadian can for hockei team franc itali and great britain us signific number canadian hockei team yup lot foreign born player canadian nation soccer team brit give back you end for record ranger coach ted darth sator recent led lion milan jari kurri team nicknam chang devil lion second straight italian championship made european final last autumn lose swedish champ malmo semi and accomplish thi feat fifteen canadian born player mamma mia marcu gerald
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl cjb ccu umanitoba umturn ccu umanitoba daryl turner write and even washington patti bust rework that trade minut druce complet and utter bust goal druce pretti suck cap had good playoff not season cap notori for make stupid trade can cicarelli and hrivnak trade sigh anoth note cap biggest surpris cote cap fan had expect lot bondra skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	canadian silver dollar stanlei cup centenni question newspap silver dollar mint canada back commemor anniversari stanlei cup full coin us dai canada can easili fish pocket chang fact question sinc loon dollar coin that legal tender thi commemor coin monetari exchang sort thing that hockei buff and coin collector covet chanc circul uncircul coin current cost and potenti curiou thi soc cultur canada and rec collect valeri hammerl dai remind not hammerl acsu buffalo edu mario lemieux herb brook claud acscvjh ubm buffalo edu lemieux top scorer for devil pwwpz ubvm buffalo edu for take dumb penalti
rec.sport.hockey	superstar and attend teemu selann leader apr ist ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write dean falcion post jrmst pitt edu write reason lemieux had point season and gretzki win hart and ross sinc peopl turn watch plai will grant that star mario will draw fan even team suck thi short term not attend increas will last team win competit improv butt kick pittsburgh get peopl continu support suddenli drop point you knee surgeri for peopl jump bandwagon disagre mcnall demonstr gretzki that star bring crowd whether not team expect fan real istic expect king thi year and gretzki thi market strategi sell game sell star that emploi basebal and notabl nba and thi attitud that bettman mcnall leadership bring leagu record state that sell game star timo salami and brett hull perfect exampl player that real fan aren worth damn and benificiari market orient coach strategi goal total that casual observ fan nhl attract that player superstar made transact and build winner mario that true improv attend start thi coffei late and even had playoff bound team doubl attend occur previou year increas point point not that arriv mario lemieux fan mind suddenli found interest mario and pen gee mario lemieux amaz watch plai gee kick ass gui side watch plai ain simpl thi casual fan doesn can you find adult digit believ that mcdonald make good hamburg provid exampl rocket ismail and toronto argonaut cfl you leav you don cfl that case fair isn case curiou hear your explan appar rocket not live market responsi biliti hype initi superstar grei cup game maintain enhanc that assess ment talent argo fan feel team cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian
rec.sport.hockey	ottawa montreal philli trade thi idiot post gretzki trade toronto sheeeesh you wait that thi garbag believ for half second not heard mother goos that mario lemieux trade winnpeg for tie domi randi psc heard tini colleg hicksvil hampshir plymouth state colleg
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team leader apr ist ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write implicitli you assum that goal score winnipeg selann ic can blame roger forward winnipeg lousi defens record put anoth john cullen terribl your excus for that powerplai point don count selann you compar cullen salami that that valid winnipeg such lousi defens team hell salami stand team bluelin puck end object game not feed selann win and feed selann not contribut meaning win knowledg hockei observ world agre that feed selann can score contribut meaning win excus jet plai hockei check bare allow goal score sound aw lot salami sound plai solid two game that friend finland claim capabl that wouldn chal leng for leagu lead goal plane challeng for you worri teemu you glenn anderson your team you compar timo anderson and cullen mike foligno don selann jet manag and object exercis not selann win hockei game score refer you comment finnish friend watch plai claim that can plai solid two game that thi style contribut conduc win don you selann grandstand goal suck you parad arm outstretch score goal you messiah had return nope didn busi watch foligno jump and goal don you compar foligno and honestli hadn read thi you us discrimin your think your contribut highli valu that you weren argument cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian
rec.sport.hockey	memoriam dan kelli and danni gallivan articl burk burkemac oshag edu burk edu burk write talk hockei broadcast give moment silenc rememb loui blue great dan kelli you heard late and earli cb us hockei night canada intermiss anoth recent deceas great danni gallivan canadien agre never forget dan kelli call plai plai canada cup master and danni gallivan will never replac even watch hnic rememb voic macinni iafrat hei gui name can shoot shot point blister blast thn had tribut gallivan issu death stori includ quot game appear risebrough pugnaci constru that check and will undoubtedli make visit box punit classic vintag gallivan sore miss two and that will dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion think each team mvp biggest surpris and biggest disappoint thi year observ and admittedli lack not had opportun team amount mvp valuabl player team term point and term leadership can win biggest surpris player rose expect player that rais level game height even that level doesn necessarili warrant allstar berth includ player outset season not even team plan biggest disappoint player expect pick deni savard montreal emphasi offenc brought demer shouldn savard team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint boston bruin oat sweenei weslei buffalo sabr lafontain mogilni audett jinx calgari flame robert reichel petit chicago blackhawk roenick ruuttu goulet detroit red wing yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oiler manson buchberg mellanbi hartford whaler sanderson cassel corriveau lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei minnesota north star modano tinordi not expect back broten montreal canadien muller lebeau savard jersei devil steven semak maclean york island turgeon king final maroi york ranger messier kovalev bourqu ottawa senat maciv baker jelinek philadelphia flyer lindro recchi fedyk gallei eklund pittsburgh penguin lemieux tocchet even for jagr quebec nordiqu sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose shark kisio gaudreau malei loui blue shanahan joseph ron sutter tampa bai lighten bradlei bradlei creighton kasper toronto mapl leaf gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouv canuck bure nedv final momesso washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce mention top impress sit opinion fan nearer team word anywher toronto newspap bryan
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce weren two trade for each poetic justic
rec.sport.hockey	talk stick articl odin corp sgi dptom endor corp sgi tom arnold write you hockei plai fan finat wide rang aluminum stick for time plai piec lumbar that weigh alot and break think chang aluminum shaft break blade chang problem that such wide reang model and select that not can you post your suggest and experi aluminum stick differ model you dislik and brand had and aluminum stick christian and broke shaft halfwai season two year bought anoth canadian begin season and easton that friend get rid give game find that easton blade easier brand blade pretti interchang watch for dri bit firewood that store pass blade experi blade aluminum break regular stick broken aluminum shaft aluminum stick blade quickli chang even bench you downsid shaft won break you decid impal ciao mark thi and veget rick morani shop horror mark shoesmith shoe physic watstar uwaterloo
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write think each team mvp biggest surpris and biggest disappoint thi year observ and admittedli lack not had opportun team amount team mvp surpris disappoint edmonton oiler manson buchberg mellanbi sinc oiler didn win heck lot game not deserv and mvp can win suggest kelli buchberg dave manson had brutal year pick for star game notwithstand for biggest surpris that buchberg had higher expect thi year due breakthrough year for last year didn rais game suggest shjon podein callup cape breton year quit depth chart oiler stabl prospect made big impact team goal game and decent number for line player seemingli doom minor leagu oblivion oiler coach staff liken style john tonelli full time roster year for biggest disappoint you name player oiler dump for lousi product thi year nichol gilchrist tikkanen even shayn corson mellanbi isn andrew scott andrew idacom idacom telecom divis ext roman era consid
rec.sport.hockey	potvin goali mask stephen legg slegg kean uc munc write wtahc guard hockei week tsn yesterdai and had featur thi gui that lot mask for nhl goali talk made made and design that put etc thi part interest turn that mask custom fit goali face goali put face piec wood plastic hole that face and forehead show hair cover cap ey cover plastic wrap type materi and vaselin put goaltend face plaster spread cheek forehead and chin take minut dry suffici dri effect mold goali face thi us basi mask rest involv pad insid harden exterior fit cage etc etc john blue bruin demonstr procedur show exhibit coupl mask work mask for andi moog basic work current mask bear and mask for bob essensa cool jet logo chin and two fighter jet side forehead air brush back ground yeah essensa mask look good never talk held current leaf crest chin and awesom black panther forehead mask for felix potvin never thought heard that potvin for bet monei and awesom dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	ncaa final winner ktgeiss miavx ac muohio edu write lake state main final won post main
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint boston bruin oat sweenei weslei buffalo sabr lafontain mogilni audett jinx calgari flame robert reichel petit chicago blackhawk roenick ruuttu goulet chelio mvp chicago detroit red wing yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oiler manson buchberg mellanbi manson admiss had terribl year oiler don team mvp default craig mactavish shjon podein biggest surpris tikkanen biggest disappoint hartford whaler sanderson cassel corriveau lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei minnesota north star modano tinordi not expect back broten tinordi back mid season last year and plai mvp montreal canadien muller lebeau savard jersei devil steven semak maclean york island turgeon king final maroi king had great year last year york ranger messier kovalev bourqu can kovalev surpris ottawa senat maciv baker jelinek philadelphia flyer lindro recchi fedyk gallei eklund fenc sit philli record eric and doubt soderstrom biggest surpris pittsburgh penguin lemieux tocchet even for jagr tocchet had point season philli mike bullard center shouldn that mario quebec nordiqu sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose shark kisio gaudreau malei loui blue shanahan joseph ron sutter joseph deserv mvp nod tampa bai lighten bradlei bradlei creighton kasper toronto mapl leaf gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouv canuck bure nedv final momesso washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce gerald
rec.sport.hockey	doubter hmm articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write and leaf make cream chees philadelphia side tomorrow night leaf will equal leaf team campbel confer cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian philadelphia make dust dead leaf roger you continu embarass your brash predict whitewash last place team grant philli pretti decent team cambel confer beaten last place team scott humphrei chemic engin univers tulsa hse vax utulsa edu bruin for cup opinion express individu not tulsa
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april allan ualberta allan sullivan write begin lambast don cherri that sort cherri fan for admittedli stuff lightli harmless saturdai cross line good tast don entir articl wasn perfect and shot frank musil and alpo suhonen don note that musil wasn player didn score goal last year made fun name gui name dog food laxit meta musil thi can gee don tremend amount profession cbc bad foolish let thi nonsens make fun name bad that make asinin blanket statement european player resort make fun name sound idiot last week that teemu never make rock sock video drop glove subject realign don that like divis name that even leagu for quit time doesn confer and divis name mcfly name for coupl decad invit audienc name team wale quick quick you don don don wrong thi ron don don you your show for minut can stand you thi show for thi absolut hilari don argument basketbal and basebal brawl fairli good neglect mention fine that level nba case monei never for object don question gretzki wouldn for you chang your friend that game for chang game for your friend thi like
rec.sport.hockey	trade rumor montreal ottawa philli tsn sportsdesk report that ottawa sun report that montreal will send player million includ vin damphouss and brian bellow phillidelphia philli will send eric lindro ottawa and ottawa will give round pick montreal thi true will like depend whether not ottawa get choos can ottawa afford lindro salari person can philli give lindro for didn give that quebec trade not mention that lindro huge draw philli and that repres success futur for franchis ottawa take player montreal for pick stephen legg slegg kean uc munc
rec.sport.hockey	doubter hmm jason studsi msc edu jason hanson write articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei and leaf make cream chees philadelphia side tomorrow night leaf will equal not put mildli watch flyer demolish toronto last night realiz that matter good leaf line two decent line playoff and healthi felix potvin thoma darl cellar bb public access system darl cellar org geni darl facthq truth technolog
rec.sport.hockey	good for hockei bad for hockei jmd cbnewsm att joseph dake write articl ppdccinnb dev null phy psu edu stimpi dev null phy psu edu articl wxnf constel ecn uoknor edu mfoster alliant backbo prefer miami colon headlin flame blow colon kevin dineen plai for miami colon flyer fan resent you make kevin dineen butt your joke moment digest and you humour thoma darl cellar bb public access system darl cellar org geni darl facthq truth technolog
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr eng cam dscy eng cam yap write smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce weren two trade for each poetic justic and even washington patti bust rework that trade minut druce complet and utter bust goal daryl turner contact for winnipeg jet internet umturn ccu umanitoba fidonet rout tkachuk zhamnov sel nne shoot score jet win cup jet win cup essensa for vezina houslei for norri sel nne for calder
rec.sport.hockey	hei flyer fan you notic peopl net troubl comparit easi task spell nick name fair citi never knew that philadelphia becom philli philli spoken for you don clue spell you yeah that drug induc trade rumor don snider that stupid rumor you into mike keenan come back coach flyer mike mike cornel great peopl countri todai mac cwru edu fault sane monti python flyer stanlei cup brain hurt gumbi
rec.sport.hockey	adam divis race articl apr thunder mcrcim mcgill edu breton mcrcim mcgill edu pierr breton write adam divis race interest thi year import data mind eventu tie for stand posit head head game quebec win montreal boston lead quebec two game remain montreal and boston ti game remain pierr breton aka fluid glacial pierr for purpos tie breaker you count game each citi quebec cannot possibl ahead montreal and game that count remain boston and quebec mean boston won pete clark rsh flyer contact
rec.sport.hockey	canadien anoth stanlei cup kind team montreal can cup easili problem that steal show and plai alon massiv teamwork slump long time hockei montreal canadien announc claud mouton di last tuesdai and rough work organ for year that excus hab manag good teamwork and into spirit problem win dean
rec.sport.hockey	doubter hmm blackhawk triumph walter ladwig thi weather cuckoo like net link armor divis submiss drbombai netlink ct vernacular world into gambl birdhous veloc cut up
rec.sport.hockey	canadien anoth stanlei cup pereira cam org dean pereira write kind team montreal can cup easili problem that steal show and plai alon massiv teamwork slump long time hockei montreal canadien announc claud mouton di last tuesdai and rough work organ for year that excus hab manag good teamwork and into spirit problem win agre roi good kick sometim that horribl loss capit last week yeeeech cup thi year richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european note that number round and top player each team sourc vancouv sun point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglassso hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu number euro nhl escal problem get wors for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai
rec.sport.hockey	lindro will trade true rumor fact big deal eric lindro ottawa senat and senat mill montreal montreal get alexand daigl round pick senat philli get damphouss bellow patrick roi and draft pick shadow node gt org and you can real and you can transpar not and you can you eras
rec.sport.hockey	request for island mail list articl apr sifon mcgill bui mcgill bui don write articl xvf rpi edu wangr rpi edu write keep island mail list you add advanc ercu can add list rex count isl don bui mcgill count can you excit island beat ranger overtim last fridai isl
rec.sport.hockey	expans articl patrick apr blanco owlnet rice edu patrick blanco owlnet rice edu patrick humphrei write fri apr gmt vamwendt atla upei michael wendt albani york bois idaho coupl citi fair interest size and close team question albani ahl franchis capit district label bois forget chl made attempt that part countri franchis great fall and show folk that part pnw aren interest hockei hei patrick montana magic plai bill not great fall plh put two nhl expans team phoenix and houston assum whaler don pack and move meantim marc phoenix and houston marc foster contact for oklahoma citi blazer central hockei univers oklahoma geographi depart leagu adam cup internet mfoster geohub gcn uoknor edu champion mfoster alliant backbon uoknor edu chl mail list send email address
rec.sport.hockey	trade rumor montreal ottawa philli articl apr kean uc mun slegg kean uc mun write tsn sportsdesk report that ottawa sun report that montreal will send player million includ vin damphouss and brian bellow phillidelphia philli will send eric lindro ottawa and ottawa will give round pick montreal report for ottawa sun april fool joke start nordiqu bruin for exampl reimburs flyer for million paid nordiqu senat lindro and million flyer equival player you includ draft choic quebec and back report had real badli and real good laugh sport media chosen public thi utter nonsens thi true will like depend whether not ottawa get choos can ottawa afford lindro salari can you cannot possibl true for person can philli give lindro for didn give that quebec trade not mention that lindro huge draw philli and that repres success futur for franchis ottawa take player montreal for pick can that give such crap even remotest consider gerald
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard racist rauser write kind unaccept racist drivel delet and that find man absolut noth richard rauser you dishonour man caustic roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu reason principl justic stand intim geograph and psycholog relat leagu give privileg plai european
rec.sport.hockey	playoff predict articl apr rose jack petrilli rose jack petrilli write stuff delet don understand peopl predict upset pittsburgh team won row come into playoff won practic game that want win year includ critic victori cap and hot bruin team gaahden team peak stronger previou stanlei cup winner mean can lose larg upset person team hard press win game seri pen and not pittsburgh fan agre heard tsn tonight you want pick you don you can and bruin fan thi year will doesn good time will lot delet randi randi coulman ari laboratori research assist depart comput scienc univers saskatchewan coulman usask saskatoon
rec.sport.hockey	good for hockei bad for hockei articl cellar org darl cellar org thoma darl write jmd cbnewsm att joseph dake write articl ppdccinnb dev null phy psu edu stimpi dev null phy psu edu articl wxnf constel ecn uoknor edu mfoster alliant backbo prefer miami colon headlin flame blow colon kevin dineen plai for miami colon flyer fan resent you make kevin dineen butt your joke moment digest and you humour thoma darl cellar bb public access system darl cellar org geni darl facthq truth technolog problem thread origon poster rectifi your misunderstand koz let cap
rec.sport.hockey	canadien anoth stanlei cup rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write pereira cam org dean pereira write kind team montreal can cup easili problem that steal show and plai alon massiv teamwork thi savard syndrom and talk deni not serg team will win squat like deni savard lineup slump long time hockei montreal canadien announc claud mouton di last tuesdai and rough work organ for year that excus hab manag good teamwork and into spirit problem win savard stai home and watch game agre roi good kick sometim that horribl loss capit last week yeeeech cup thi year sound cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian
rec.sport.hockey	trade rumor montreal ottawa philli tsn sportsdesk report that ottawa sun report tht montreal will send player million includ vin damphouss and brian bellow philldelphia philli will send eric lindro ottawa and ottawa will give round pick montreal person can philli give lindro for thi idiot post gretzki trade toronto listen asshol comment heard report sport new you notic skeptic comment sheesh thought thi group wasfor convers guess wrong stephen legg slegg kean uc munc
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european point european nhl sick you you absolut round player european descent and ship back start dunno lemieux hmmm sound french blood hei franc part europ send that euro blood boi back sheesh for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine don hard find nativ american nativ canadian for that matter disput your claim thi great contin our you anthropologist immigr sort you don that mogilni bure selann improv nhl not you understand game dan lyddi daniel cori berkelei edu univers california berkelei don plai hockei not brother deion sander
rec.sport.hockey	good for hockei bad for hockei prefer miami colon headlin flame blow colon kevin dineen plai for miami colon flyer fan resent you make kevin dineen butt your joke moment digest and you humour problem thread origon poster rectifi your misunderstand rectum skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn disagre nhl featur hockei talent world nation admit that player gretzki and messier trade canadian team can afford half that had canadian hockei leagu for canadian player for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want themon mine doesn matter russian finnish mexican albertan yorker black white korean martian plutoneon doesn matter can put leaf jersei can put puck stephen legg slegg kean uc munc
rec.sport.hockey	good for hockei bad for hockei articl hydra gatech edu gtd prism gatech edu hrivnak write prefer miami colon headlin flame blow colon kevin dineen plai for miami colon flyer fan resent you make kevin dineen butt your joke moment digest and you humour problem thread origon poster rectifi your misunderstand rectum bad joke that draw crohn mean groan crowd don bother appendix useless word advic you miami game stai food made natur case hockei hockei hockei joi joi joi stimpson kat stimpi dev null phy psu edu nagi physci psu edu nagi psu edu nagi crayola psu edu nagi love shack and yeah ggn psuvm psu edu bitnet
rec.sport.hockey	ncaa final winner ktgeiss miavx ac muohi write lake state main final won post main lssu terri
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl euro bash articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglassso hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu number euro nhl escal problem get wors for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine into european player bash french canadien yeah idea french speak canadien hockei leagu don want you crazi nhl true intern leagu and european deserv plai nhl and north american teemu for glad european nhl and hope nhl expand europ nice peopl come togeth form hockei team richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai darryl brook univers buffalo bill sabr and magic
rec.sport.hockey	stan fischler lester patrick award lunch bill torrei mention that option season presid miami team bob clark work for dinner clark that worst mistak philadelphia let mike keenan retrospect almost player realiz that keenan knew win rumour circul that keenan will back flyer nick polano sick scapegoat for schedul made for red wing bryan murrai approv gerri meehan and john muckler worri sabr prospect assist don lever that sabr share quebec dynasti emerg mighti duck declar that will not throw monei loos bui team oiler coach ted green remark that gui can fill tie domi skate can fill helmet senat andrew mcbain told secur guard chicago stadium warn stair lead locker room mcbain mouth season profession and tumbl entir steep flight gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	hockei hell articl ekb noos ecn purdu edu rgemeinh separ ecn purdu edu richard gemeinhart wrote articl mar ncsu edu fmsalvat eo ncsu edu frank mich salvator write origin york state and school north carolina don constantli gripe lack hockei wouldn you chose school south realiz gripe clemson student that hockei isn quit popular south carolina you chose school you excus choos school south hockei thi import you not luxuri decid colleg make hockei coveraag you want pittsburgh transplan home and coveraag suck sport south didn even show final game stanlei cup laast year happen put ktape delai and cut intermiss air you move you good bad and deal doesn mean thaat you can complain transplant parent greater hartford area greater cleveland ohio area thi not action choic hockei coverag regularli red wing and penguin explain part follow team todai cleveland you couldn even find hockei score clock new figur that didn wasn sport your parent didn move you idaho thing that coverag footbal basketbal and basebal patti
rec.sport.hockey	european russian hockei team address address hockei team locat czech slovak republ finland russia sweden inform find address appreci aik assat bryna budejovic chelabinsk djurgarden dynamo eskulap espoo farjestad frolunda hpk hifk ilv jyp jihlava jokerit jokp kalpa khimik kladno kristal lada leksand litvinov lukko lulea malmo metallurg modo olomouc pardubic red armi rogl skoda slovan soviet wing sparta spartak tp tappara trencin tuto vantaa vastera yaroslavl zlin dee dee franc ddf sgi
rec.sport.hockey	memoriam dan kelli and danni gallivan articl apr ist ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write articl burk burkemac oshag edu burk edu burk write talk hockei broadcast give moment silenc rememb loui blue great dan kelli you heard late and earli cb us hockei night canada intermiss anoth recent deceas great danni gallivan canadien love dan kelli usa hook hockei back wasn spot top plai and wasn overli cute pipe that lusti barrel chest voic pipsqueak unlik fella rode into hockei mania coattail gretzki and boi bu final island sweep never forget night year oiler close home pandemonium smoke million sparkler long empti net goal end and dan kelli let crowd reaction stori for long second that voic bark din dave lumlei sew for edmonton sound stupid that earli for hockei memori will bring thrill sinc grown lot jade game sadden dan kelli pass good gui brian adam reno
rec.sport.hockey	playoff predict articl qhinnsm senat bedfellow mit edu boudreau athena mit edu carol boudreau write smyth thi toughest for call put person bia calgari lot depend win divis winnipeg will move into end season and place winner will clear advantag will lot easier build momentum team king plai king round will divis hurt pick divis winner vancouv canuck disagre you thi vancouv will bure and continu goal score slump won even make round king will make round plai pretti even that bad game minnesota saturdai calgari lo angel win smyth confer final wale confer trophi island and bruin will fight end island steam overtak bruin campbel confer trophi walk for vancouv defin not stanlei cup final island and vancouv island will noth left thi point and will succumb fairli easili canuck stanlei cup champion vancouv canuck disagre you pittsburg hat trick stanlei cup toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good hope you enjoi predict hope not correct calgari team win pittsburg that worth messag termin carol boudreau boudreau athena mit edu
rec.sport.hockey	ncaa hockei final haven post thi will honor main beat lssu milwauke saturdai night quit game main storm lead and look run main goal insid thirti second game lssu back end period cut lead lssu second domin plai board plai quickli ref run hold bar type game lssu score unansw goal lead end second look lssu walk game coach walsh main replac start goali dunham snow won game michigan snow prove aggress goali period second belong team main score unansw goal span minut minut mark score jim montgomeri tournament mvp and assist paul kariya last minut game bear highlight chang snow prove differ end minut and lssu goali pull snow duel lssu forward amaz set move snow won great end game thi year championship game sold last year month bradlei center hold approxim dougla peterson peterson pm pm ford you safeti laboratori depart driven ford motor compani
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european note that number round and top player each team sourc vancouv sun point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors that expans creat job nhl team can afford import role player europ pick star will continu build team local player number euro nhl escal problem get wors for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin love european nhl divis can happen for time simpli not fan interest moment crucial market germani itali and franc sweden and finland can afford shell for ticket american canadian fan call minnesota north star effect scandinavian love hockei prefer watch local inexpens hockei nhl nation hockei leagu love idea pan european channel such eurosport bring million american network like never will pai don want mine richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint philadelphia flyer lindro recchi fedyk gallei eklund fenc sit philli record eric and doubt soderstrom biggest surpris eric true fortun didn find recchi for game soderstrom absolut shutout game for rooki lot defens front runnerup gallei and fedyk score ton career gallei think paul coffei put score ahead defend and fedyk tail big time eklund big question mark thi year and come injuri point game not bad and recent huge factor win eklund never had point game season career product typic for qualifi disappoint surpris choic roussel strictli expect player never thought that had take goali biggest disappoint bill dineen thought that perfect coach for thi young team made bad move and imho cost game playoff thi year coach that think put eric lindro point power plai bright idea back coach school pete clark rsh flyer contact and mail list owner
rec.sport.hockey	flyer note flyer team that can beat team night show spectrum sundai night and domin mapl leaf rout shutout tommi soderstrom will credit for shutout bare broke sweat period flyer defens leaf mount attack injuri pell eklund dai dai bruis thigh roster move jason bowen ad lineup for nhl game jason flyer second pick round entri draft year lb game tri citi american had goal assist and pim plai left wing and defens plai defens thi game bobbi taylor that bill dineen plan us front andr faust return hershei left second period king game flew albani game ty goal bear win and plai for hershei sundai night line fedyk lindro recchi beranek brind amour dineen lomakin butsayev conroi acton brown gallei mcgill yushkevich cronin carkner hawgood bowen tommi soderstrom goal acton replac lomakin period game summari flyer plai thi night playoff thi year flyer hit that move creat score chanc score chanc snuf that leaf jason bowen made good plai nhl shift that almost creat goal had puck top left offens circl alon take shot found brind amour crash net side perfect pass and good shot across daren puppa bodi goal puppa made great save read plai garri gallei gave mapl leaf rank power plai chanc hook doug gilmour flyer lowli rank penalti kill unit almost flawless entir game and set tone thi kill mapl leaf almost noth long unscreen shot and defens swept rebound power plai flyer goal ugli plai rod brind amour gave puck greg hawgood point and drive net puppa made save and kick rebound into feet josef beranek and bob rous wrestl slot beranek stick puck and push dineen skate into slot circl and lift backhand puppa for flyer lead flyer pressur and puppa leaf keep flyer build lead for eventu thing settl and defens prevail each team occasion score chanc goali strong bowen start give lindro check corner lindro aveng hit foligno gave thought had chanc even score had foligno line center ic lean into and rode into center ic board problem that foligno board and mike mister mcgeough felt that warrant board call leaf couldn power plai flyer aggress for chang kill time run period recchi carri neutral zone and hand lindro approach leaf blue line crowd wendel clark and jami macoun lindro backhand pass recchi feet macoun that connect recchi clark check recchi puck macoun clear weak and mcgill had man point drove insid blue line macoun stick and deflect past goali shot flyer period flyer final chanc power plai dave andreychuk trip rod brind amour offens zone power plai flyer cheat puck pop into air and eric glove mcgeough thought hit stick head seat end ic that hit glove and replai confirm faceoff end time run advantag lindro found gallei pass across goal mouth puppa made save rebound kick back corner recchi pick pass eric crash circl and eric time past puppa assist recchi move past bobbi clark season second season total for flyer eric move time flyer rooki score point mike eastwood conroi give flyer anoth chanc power plai not pressur garri gallei end power plai slash not happen leaf had possess flyer smother leaf short power plai temper flare bowen and pearson rough minor keith acton bloodi face dave mcllwain dive and greg hawgood hook minor set replai show that hawgood stick stop make contact mcllwain long spun and fell flyer smother leaf power plai led dimitri yushkevich bowen made thunder hit box pearson berehowski perplex sloooowbal had puck point and trickl pass slot made flyer silli stick and gilmour side net soderstrom stone flyer pick thing offens kill didn home shot flyer flyer content goal lead period and decid that tommi want shutout work for flyer score chanc minut period couldn past puppa leaf tire lindro make road kill and temper flare each for doug gilmour and lindro unsportsmanlik conduct and each for glenn anderson and mcgill rough terri carkner knee penalti gilmour flyer smother leaf power plai minut mark dave andreychuk shot left circl that soderstrom puck roll side and luck turn net turn roll quarter inevit start lean second rod brind amour trip gilmour give leaf anoth chanc power plai advantag soderstrom stone andreychuk ly andreychuk rebound soderstrom net and straight and swept defensemen pressur soderstrom equal and preserv shutout recchi cross check ken baumgartn temper hot and start brawl punch thrown recchi initi minor krushelnyski baumgartn and lindro each rough minor rous and beranek express mutual dislik for each and each for slash set anoth mike eastwood shove ryan mcgill flyer zone battl for puck and mcgill ran stick across mcgill face flyer not happi that conroi pair berehowski and start throw punch upward held delight crowd each coupl punch head and stand penalti eastwood cross check game clark carkner each berehowski and conroi each fight major penalti for rest game for flyer had interest stting lead hawgood gallei and brind amour plai catch hawgood found dineen alon left circl control puck and blast past puppa that firework tommi soderstrom not face anoth shot puppa flyer board flyer shot flyer strongest game flyer sinc star break shutout number for soderstrom sinc ti for nhl plai fewer game belfour goali can rememb that ti winnipeg selann tuesdai night winnipeg flyer cannot elimin win loss coupl island win that night washington offici end flyer point season game last year had point game point last game improv that percentag point tragic number hold point game left tragic number for point watch ranger blow period lead home lose finish thi point flyer will win tie breaker catch island win tie breaker flyer and tie ranger crumbl stretch plai devil pen twice flyer and finish game cap guess place goal for team focu flyer team record watch eric lindro goal assist point rooki record club record goal club record point eric lindro dave poulin brian propp brian propp ron flockhart ron flockhart dave poulin eric lindro bill barber pell eklund mark recchi goal assist point club record goal club record point reggi leach bobbi clark tim kerr mark recchi tim kerr bobbi clark mark recchi bill barber rick macliesh bobbi clark bill barber rick macliesh reggi leach flyer career year player point prior season mark recchi penguin rod brind amour flyer garri gallei king brent fedyk red wing that for pete clark rsh flyer contact and mail list owner
rec.sport.hockey	strang phenomen nhl team leader articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write apr ist ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write implicitli you assum that goal score winnipeg selann ic can blame roger forward winnipeg lousi defens record put anoth john cullen terribl your excus for that powerplai point don count selann you compar cullen salami that that valid winnipeg such lousi defens team hell salami stand team bluelin puck end thought that compar cullen teemu sel nne thought that salami sort sausag you dear roger salami ic plai hockei don you sure and quickli you that you talk rubbish time will true you care your leaf sure score refer you comment finnish friend watch plai claim that can plai solid two game that thi style contribut conduc win don you plai selann grandstand goal suck you parad arm outstretch score goal you messiah had return latest philli game leaf player didn parad philli crunch you two player can score cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian cordial hannu jet teemu teppo tappara canadien blackhawk
rec.sport.hockey	trade rumor montreal ottawa philli articl mweintr auvm american edu mweintr auvm american edu sprach slegg kean uc mun tsn sportsdesk report that ottawa sun report that montreal will send player million includ vin damphouss and brian bellow phillidelphia philli will send eric lindro ottawa and ottawa will give round pick montreal thi true will like depend whether not ottawa get choos can ottawa afford lindro salari person can philli give lindro for didn give that quebec trade not mention that lindro huge draw philli and that repres success futur for franchis ottawa take player montreal for pick stephen legg slegg kean uc munc two thing didn trade deadlin pass two week ago flyer never give lindro simpl that soderstrom and roussel hell flyer want pick older and slump roi byw come group player trade for wouldn team flyer cup mike rush marillion elp genesi king crimson dream theater beatl mike weintraub aka jvi irc courag convict mweintr american edu will drag dream jedi wave cerf net into exist american univers washington rush not limbaugh philadelphia flyer vancouv canuck philadelphia philli john runski jer psuvm
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write think each team mvp biggest surpris and biggest disappoint thi year observ and admittedli lack not had opportun team amount mvp valuabl player team term point and term leadership can win biggest surpris player rose expect player that rais level game height even that level doesn necessarili warrant allstar berth includ player outset season not even team plan biggest disappoint player expect pick deni savard montreal emphasi offenc brought demer shouldn savard team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint boston bruin oat sweenei weslei buffalo sabr lafontain mogilni audett jinx calgari flame robert reichel petit chicago blackhawk roenick ruuttu goulet detroit red wing yzerman chaisson kozlov edmonton oiler manson buchberg mellanbi hartford whaler sanderson cassel corriveau lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei minnesota north star modano tinordi not expect back broten montreal canadien muller lebeau savard jersei devil steven semak maclean york island turgeon king final maroi york ranger messier kovalev bourqu ottawa senat maciv baker jelinek philadelphia flyer lindro recchi fedyk gallei eklund pittsburgh penguin lemieux tocchet even for jagr quebec nordiqu sakic ricci kovalenko pearson san jose shark kisio gaudreau malei loui blue shanahan joseph ron sutter tampa bai lighten bradlei bradlei creighton kasper toronto mapl leaf gilmour potvin ellett anderson vancouv canuck bure nedv final momesso washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce mention top impress sit opinion fan nearer team word anywher toronto newspap bryan
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl swede stat april score stat for swedish nhl player april mat sundin watch point season kent nilsson calgari flame mat naslund montreal canadien mat sundin quebec nordiqu hakan loob calgari flame kent nilsson calgari flame kent nilsson calgari flame goal season hakan loob calgari flame kent nilsson calgari flame kent nilsson calgari flame toma sandstrom king mat naslund montreal canadien mat sundin quebec nordiqu assist season kent nilsson calgari flame mat naslund montreal canadien borj salm toronto mapl leaf mat sundin quebec nordiqu kent nilsson calgari flame borj salm toronto mapl leaf thoma steen winnipeg jet ulf samuelsson watch penalti minut season ulf samuelsson pittsburgh penguin ulf samuelsson pittsburgh penguin ulf samuelsson pittsburgh penguin kjell samuelsson philadelphia flyer ulf samuelsson hartford whaler ulf samuelsson hartford whaler borj salm toronto mapl leaf name team born pt comment mat sundin que ulf dahlen min thoma steen win johan garpenlov sj fredrik olausson win toma sandstrom lak per erik eklund phi injur call johansson nickla lidstrom det tommi sjodin min ulf samuelsson pit mikael andersson tbl michael nyland hfd roger johansson cgy jan erixon nyr peter andersson nyr kjell samuelsson pit tommi albelin njd per djoo nyr binghampton nicla andersson que halifax thoma forslund cgy salt lake patrik carnback mon injur patrik kjellberg mon fredericton rank last week rank jersei number posit born goal assist pt point point score sinc last post list goali stat name team born tommi soderstrom phi re gaa sog pit chi tbl pit lak sj cgy edm nyr edm cgy bo det bo nyi hfd pit nyr ott mtl njd njd cgy van min det pit njd nyi min pit njd nyr que lak tor re result shot save game plai minut plai goal gaa goal averag sog shot goal save save percentag shutout assist staffan staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
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rec.sport.hockey	european nhl rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european note that number round and top player each team sourc vancouv sun point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors answer simpl that you dislik russian live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglass hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu number euro nhl escal problem get wors and canadian hockei todai european dont that european influenc leagu bad for game mean you plai dai fight and hockei imho canadian hockei had posit curv develop sinc game brute beauti for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin you don finn don want mine bad almost you northamerican origin europ hmmm and kind name rauser doesn sound canadian analyz team itali franc and great britain you find that lot player canadian doubl citizenship richard rauser you idea you rauser sfu don worri that profession wni outlaw thi for live rememb matter you you banzai toma nopp tel ellemtel telecom system lab fax box email toma nopp eua ericsson alvsjo snailmail
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rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european note that number round and top player each team sourc vancouv sun point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors come canada borshevski sound canadian smith crawl back into hole you crawl nba doesn care basketbal player major leagu basebal doesn give damn basebal player cuba that canada immin danger overtaken primari supplier player sweden finland czech republ and slovakia rel small countri and cannot produc player greater rate produc and potenti influx soviet union sever blunt system raid and starv for financ and will decad two recov and becom real threat and will maintain slow increas canada continu suppli top hockei player world for forseeabl futur european hockei market hockei right place soccer two predomin world sport and sinc soccer essenti bore unlik hockei live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglassso hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu number euro nhl escal problem get wors canadian threat european number will satur haven and time russia come onlin nhl world leagu and will team stock and job for canadian hockei player team percentag canadian will declin american not european for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine crawl into hole and die gerald
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl apr pasteur berkelei edu daniel cori berkelei edu daniel lyddi write you you absolut round player european descent and ship back start dunno lemieux hmmm sound french blood hei franc part europ send that euro blood boi back don you american studi histori french settl north america earli british lemieux can trace back north american heritag back lot gerald
rec.sport.hockey	lindro will trade articl apr node hub org shadow node hub org jai chu write true rumor fact big deal eric lindro ottawa senat and senat mill montreal montreal get alexand daigl round pick senat philli get damphouss bellow patrick roi and draft pick anoth person incap ration thought gerald
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write ten year ago number european nhl roughli quarter into season number euro nhl team escal stat canadian american european xenophob trash delet for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine you extrem guess you start pack you nativ north american thi isn your contin lori
rec.sport.hockey	nhl summari pars result for game plai mon april hartford ranger period hartford cunneyworth janssen greig ranger grave turcott zubov second period ranger kovalev turcott grave hartford sanderson cassel ranger amont andersson vanbiesbrouck period ranger messier amont andersson hartford sanderson cassel hartford nyland ladouceur hartford verbeek zalapski hartford power plai special goal total scorer pt cassel cunneyworth greig janssen ladouceur nyland sanderson verbeek zalapski ranger power plai scorer pt amont andersson grave kovalev messier turcott vanbiesbrouck zubov
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rec.sport.hockey	usenet playoff pool mention rule post will town dai entri deadlin won respond your messag april grate repost rule and instruct for playoff pool week for benefit miss two post andrew scott andrew idacom idacom telecom oper ext roman era consid
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rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr morgan scairn fsg write mvp surpris disappoint york ranger messier kovalev bourqu gartner zubov bourqu bourqu penguin laugh head time think ranger and thi loser scott cairn email scairn fsg fusion system group usmail broadwai york york usa york standard disclaim appli hope futur american thought warlik viciou peopl bet lot high school pick american mascot jack handei care phil like lot pittsburgh didn score lot you stat last year work butt speed that creat opportun offens zone that allow pen util potenti haven pai attent thi year can you object injuri hasn and offens isn not speed will for you creat opportun didn score thought monei offer ranger high and pen guess joseph stiehm articl apr morgan scairn fsg write mvp surpris disappoint york ranger messier kovalev bourqu gartner zubov bourqu bourqu penguin laugh head time think ranger and thi loser scott cairn email scairn fsg fusion system group usmail broadwai york york usa york standard disclaim appli hope futur american thought warlik viciou peopl bet lot high school pick american mascot jack handei care phil like lot pittsburgh didn score lot you stat last year work butt speed that creat opportun offens zone that allow pen util potenti haven pai attent thi year can you object injuri hasn and offens isn not speed will for you creat opportun didn score thought monei offer ranger high and pen guess joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl apr adob snichol adob sherri nichol write articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write crawl back into hole you crawl nba doesn care basketbal player major leagu basebal doesn give damn basebal player cuba that mlb perfectli will player cuba defect sort situat us russian czech etc hockei player polit situat countri chang major leagu basebal told blue jai and expo not sign oscar linar that name canada not restrict cuban that and major leagu team told canadian team that unhappi expo blue jai thi cuban player not defect plai canada and plai home game for expo and blue jai troubl gerald
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr morgan scairn fsg write messier joke thi year bad back not withstand plai reason ranger will golf coupl week gartner choic gui work butt game kovalev surpris plai adequ bad defens kovalev talent player plai for roger nielson roger player can for and can skate straight line and ic dudlei and nielson two coach bad leagu talent mogilni and kovalev and not turn into bure and selann predict preseason perhap pull alex mogilni coupl year and surpris zubov wasn expect make minor thi season and ow number injuri prove pleasant surpris muckler coach and kovalev will mogilni troubl ranger that neil smith and player messier kovalev and grave school take game oppon and attack hire coach interest rope dope strategi you want roger nielson world your coach you don and mark messier dog can learn trick loser and you don wast your draft pick player kovalev gerald gerald
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write major leagu basebal told blue jai and expo not sign oscar linar that name linar not defect point mlb requir that player defect canada not restrict cuban that and major leagu team told canadian team that unhappi expo blue jai thi surpris long pool talent not access team mlb won team sign perfectli reason cuban player not defect plai canada and plai home game for expo and blue jai troubl that mlb won sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.hockey	lindro will trade apr node hub org jai chu write true rumor fact big deal eric lindro ottawa senat and senat mill montreal montreal get alexand daigl round pick senat philli get damphouss bellow patrick roi and draft pick sheesh rumor mill strike assum thi true question thi montreal give san jose shark pick and daigl tim irvin
rec.sport.hockey	sad dai for hockei articl finn abyss west sun dvb ick david van beveren write sinc penalti fall into class penalti foul illeg contact player stick your bodi stick you you for game unsportsmanlik contact intent foul thi inlclud current flavour rough fight and board you two you thrown game and fine technic foul bad mouth ref player coach penalti shot award two and you thrown game penalti shot for technic team get penalti period oppos team get penalti shot for addit end period victim get two shot act shoot foul ocur rule great that your rule complic will normal averag fan count foul player and even rememb name player order determin drew foul and will sub posit power center sit slot blue puck come and shoot defenseman and point defenseman final stat and worst penalti shot taker sinc almost ic will get foul ulf samuellson and tie domi miss penalti shot crazi keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ time you head platter cmdr benjamin sisko
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion assist orion oac uci edu assist coordin site write articl zcii ftn watserv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write mvp biggest biggest supris disappoint lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei chosen alex zhitnik for biggest supris expect that becom great defenseman don knew that thi impress rooki year speed skate abil and puck control except watch king agre marti mcsore and warren rychel run close second and surpris peopl not note knickl biggest surpris even person not rate biggest disappoint carson thi unfair sinc expect second biggest disappoint melros adolesc handl goaltend problem put hrudei bench for month stupid not contribut team come slump mvp sure robitail dvb
rec.sport.hockey	name for stanlei cup articl apr sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startid ctr columbia edu ali lemer write posit name for unabl rememb complic hockei terminolog name name centr gui middl left wing gui left wing gui defenceman gui back goaltend gui net cage mother call refere gui whistl linesman gui arm coach gui suit head gui puck black thing red line line middl blue line line side creas place front gui net faceoff circl round thing stand slot point point accompani term bench place sit penalti box place sit bad bettman gui wrong sport stein gui charg isn name for individu award and stuff presid cup presid cup trophi regular season team hart winner valuabl player chosen gui middl gui gui left gui back and gui net typic gui middl and gui left and norri winner gui back gui award for even not gui middl left nauseum keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ time you head platter cmdr benjamin sisko
rec.sport.hockey	paul kuryia and canadian world team heard last night that paul kuryia will plai for canadian world hockei team thi year local radio station friend familti call congratul invit meekli paul told host that didn want thi morn heard that destin plai line lindro and recci unsur thi plai thi arena draft
rec.sport.hockey	jet fan hrivnak tabaracci articl apr wam umd edu giant wam umd edu thundarr write hrivnak and tabarraci plai you prefer and tyler larter happen you answer will hrivnak choic obviou skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	jet fan hrivnak tabaracci hrivnak and tabarraci plai you prefer and tyler larter happen you answer will hrivnak choic obviou you tabaracci plai two start and relief effort for beaupr look mighti sharp don forget shutout goal period plai hrivnak give credit david poil for chang thi trade hopefulli tabaracci start isl tonight haven jinx frank salvator fmsalvat eo ncsu edu
rec.sport.hockey	thi year biggest and worst opinion bryan smale smale healthi uwaterloo write think each team mvp biggest surpris and biggest disappoint thi year team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint hartford whaler sanderson cassel corriveau vote fwiw team mvp pat verbeek fan goal mouth feed goal terribl start and examplari team captain tough coupl season honor mention nick kypreo and mark janssen unsung hero categori mvp kypreo goal pim hardest work player team and janssen underr defens center and checker guess place greater emphasi hard work skill determin biggest surpris geoff sanderson had goal and point last season center move left wing and put goal and point whaler record power plai goal come wing faceoff circl garden spot honor mention andrew cassel and terri yake kiddi quartet sanderson poulin nyland and petrovicki attract attent cassel and will score close point thi season quit nice assum role number center team and work sanderson yake bounc minor for number season and will put goal and point thi season yake sanderson start perform offens onc convert center wing lefti sanderson left wing and righti yake side biggest disappoint hand john cullen cullen had disaster point season last year full season trade cullen start season summer back surgeri and fell flat face sinc spent whaler career flat ass and whine cullen score point game clubhous malcont command powerplai success percentag sanderson and sulk town worst year contract had year left run give round draft pick mapl leaf offer hartford honor mention steve konroyd subpar sign year contract eric weinrich show flash compet plai poorli jim mckenzi hockei player two season ago and frank pietrangelo plai sean burk for extend period and make number start row real live hartford whaler season ticket holder steveg cadkei
rec.sport.hockey	mapl leaf updat for leaf fan concern player slate for return thursdai winnipeg toronto game peter zezel john cullen mark osborn and dave ellett question return thursdai regular player injur includ dimitri mironov back for saturdai home game flyer
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rec.sport.hockey	canadien anoth stanlei cup articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard wrote rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write pereira cam org dean pereira write kind team montreal can cup easili problem that steal show and plai alon massiv teamwork thi savard syndrom and talk deni not serg team will win squat like deni savard lineup savard stai home and watch game life simpl savard not plai last game and plai crap montreal problem run deeper savard and mouton hope can act togeth playoff line game come pittsburgh like us for playoff hope can forget nice weather and plai hockei paul valin tel bell northern research email pavalin bnr box station ottawa ontario canada opinion
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl rauser sfu rauser fraser sfu richard john rauser write point european nhl sick watch game american and canadian team red wing and canuck and name bure konstantinov and borshevshki thi north america isn toronto detriot quebec and edmonton annoi number euro team get wors gee you winnipeg top that list regular european live vancouv and hear word pavel bure russian rocket will complet throw time canuck plai hope will cross check bure into plexiglassso hard carri stretcher not canuck fan begin jet fan sometim that bure knock silli noth game stretcher remark carri point that resent nhl owner draft european canadian and american deni young canadian opportun plai north american leagu and european aren even hockei player hype thi european mystiqu sicken nhl owner canadian and american player will continu fight harder draft into leagu case owner give gener manag order come draft find player that team will win stanlei cup whether that player kinderslei saskatchewan chelyabinsk russia believ player draft you call nhl leagu refer canadian player doesn belong belong owner owner can want canadian content rule enforc canada doubt that enforc that cfl for footbal refer didn even push import ratio rule sacromento goldmin increas competit for elit posit case make player yeah and european plai lower level profession hockei north america that plai ahl ihl that nhl team primari farm club you don hear european plai chl echl secondari farm team ihl jet russian player moncton don european wayn team plenti posit for hockei player north america number euro nhl escal problem get wors for creation european hockei leagu and bure and selann world plai contin don want mine favour nhl leagu for premier player world grown european plai team and player world hedberg nilsson and sjoberg sel nne zhamnov and olausson and and come wouldn daryl turner contact for winnipeg jet internet umturn ccu umanitoba fidonet rout tkachuk zhamnov sel nne shoot score jet win cup jet win cup essensa for vezina houslei for norri sel nne for calder
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl dunno lemieux hmmm sound french blood hei franc part europ send that euro blood boi back don you american studi histori french settl north america earli british lemieux can trace back north american heritag back lot friendli jibe mode don you canadian understand sarcasm sometim reader decid that read ludicr that mean opposit kinda toronto win cup post yeah and cow can fly friendli jibe mode geez gerald read rec flamefest hockei pen great didn that mow quebec patrick
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write crawl back into hole you crawl nba doesn care basketbal player major leagu basebal doesn give damn basebal player cuba that mlb perfectli will player cuba defect sort situat us russian czech etc hockei player polit situat countri chang sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.hockey	tp will stai top articl apr tnclu tele nokia hahietanen tnclu tele nokia write mighti mightier tp finnish champion get stronger isn btw juha nen centr hpk draft jet last year reach top level finnish centr had good playoff game tp nen draft choic jet assum thi nen that plai for kiekko espoo round pick jet entri draft notic summari that nen had begun plai playoff daryl turner contact for winnipeg jet internet umturn ccu umanitoba fidonet rout tkachuk zhamnov sel nne shoot score jet win cup jet win cup essensa for vezina houslei for norri sel nne for calder
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write articl apr pasteur berkelei edu daniel cori berkelei edu daniel lyddi write you you absolut round player european descent and ship back start dunno lemieux hmmm sound french blood hei franc part europ send that euro blood boi back don you american studi histori french settl north america earli british lemieux can trace back north american heritag back lot gerald gerald joke lisa
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl wrote love european nhl divis can happen for time simpli not fan interest moment crucial market germani itali and franc sweden and finland can afford shell for ticket american canadian fan call minnesota north star effect scandinavian love hockei prefer watch local inexpens hockei nhl nation hockei leagu love idea pan european channel such eurosport bring million american network like never will pai thi bring question ask answer mention that nhl expand europ north american plai nhl will plai for team europ not that major hockei player necessarili interest expand cultur experi that level not pro hockei player recal player remark last year make european expans achiev rememb lindro not want plai quebec for reason nichol edmonton courtnal want trade lemieux refus edmonton earlier thi year cultur reason american player plai for expo complain french fact and that citi not quit citi player wife make point complain that not even find favorit brand nacho chip montreal happen footbal player move london spain etc for year that footbal leagu year ago player associ think europ european team marc
rec.sport.hockey	sad dai for hockei andrew cmu edu ethan evan write penalti will chang rough chauvanist male aggress slash chauvanist male vent frustrat fight proof that male cannot cope feel sinc penalti fall into class penalti foul illeg contact player stick your bodi stick you you for game unsportsmanlik contact intent foul thi inlclud current flavour rough fight and board you two you thrown game and fine technic foul bad mouth ref player coach penalti shot award two and you thrown game penalti shot for technic team get penalti period oppos team get penalti shot for addit end period victim get two shot act shoot foul ocur thi work for reason penalti shot excit thing hockei follow that player set for penalti shot network can commerci final penalti network announc don meredith dick vital john madden pat summeral and marv levi will viewer happen announc rule goal score time period plai cannot resum announc announc thi network can sneak commerci onc announc told score announc can you viewer and even chanc pronounc name nba basketbal game last week for time life amaz bore plai slow had fan come for thing free throw shoot contest period laker girl routin time game and not period whistl second averag game minut minut quarter and and minut halftim and take hour reason for thi plenti room throw commerci and announc jabber noth happen basketbal fairli entertain imho watch thi road nhl sad dai for dvb
rec.sport.hockey	european nhl long don cherri student sfu that arch bunker thi racist drivel net you embarass canadian bill
rec.sport.hockey	tp will stai top apr tnclu tele nokia hahietanen tnclu tele nokia write btw juha nen centr hpk draft jet last year reach top level finnish centr had good playoff game tp not juha anoth top center rauli raitanen draft jet raitanen had good year and plai finnish nationalteam that finn thi year matikainen head coach elect team hannu tommi
rec.sport.hockey	usenet playoff pool previou request for rule and instruct for usenet playoff pool haven responc thi info post you mail advanc phil baron internet pbaron ess harri harri corpor gisd cape canaver
rec.sport.hockey	doubter hmm articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write for you can decid team you stand tor chi det van team campbel confer record toronto that true your stat chicago good record toronto interest that you list toronto ahead chicago lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing
rec.sport.hockey	miami name articl apr vax cn muskingum edu tinker vax cn muskingum edu write will miami franchis team announc name curiou south florida colon skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
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rec.sport.hockey	european nhl you sick white gui skate vancouv canuck half women and orient and gladli volunt for overag draft gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	rec sport hockei frequent ask question archiv name hockei faq rec sport hockei answer frequent ask question and new content info nhl nhl minor leagu colleg hockei north america leagu europ canada cup tournament mail file usenet hockei pool come date answer frequent ask question miscellan send comment suggest and critic thi faq list mail hamlet washington edu info thi section will describ addit sinc last post that you can decid worth read paragraph contain inform will preced two asterisk anaheim contact winnipeg affili moncton milwauke contact ihl broadcast year name rheaum start cyclon san diego set record ticket info includ for ncaa divis championship world championship pool result list sweden hockei game final stand list swedish elit leagu final stand list olypm hockei mail list montreal mail list address nhl nation hockei leagu for detail inform team ticket and merchandis watch game town send mail net contact for team last team div season cup cup net contact anaheim mighti duck kri myer kri assist uci edu boston bruin buffalo sabr jeff horvath jhorvath macc wisc edu calgari flame caldwel mtroyal chicago blackhawk john scholvin scholvin casbah acn nwu edu detroit red wing sglenn cmsa gmr edmonton oiler andrew scott andrew idacom hartford whaler matthew olsen dmolsen athena mit edu lo angel king stan willi willi empir dnet hac minnesota north star mitch mcgowan hamlet washington edu montreal canadien jersei devil york island mark anania ananim rpi edu york ranger paul romano romano monolith bellcor ottawa senat scott simpson simpson bnr philadelphia flyer pete clark seth ho cad att pittsburgh penguin lori iannamico lli cmu edu thoma sullivan tm cmu edu quebec nordiqu loui blue joseph achkar jca cec wustl edu san jose shark nelson claudiu leland stanford edu south florida tampa bai lightn tom wilson wilson eola ucf edu toronto mapl leaf darryl gambl darryl yorku vancouv canuck alan chim chim sfu washington capit david david eng umd edu winnipeg jet umturn ccu umanitoba adam norri patrick smyth calgari atlanta flame detroit detroit cougar detroit falcon edmonton alberta oiler wha edmonton oiler wha hartford england whaler wha minnesota cleveland baron merg minnesota for season jersei kansa citi scout colorado rocki quebec quebec nordiqu wha toronto toronto arena toronto patrick winnipeg winnipeg jet wha team mail list section for address boston buffalo lo angel montreal philadelphia pittsburgh loui san jose tampa bai vancouv washington schedul schedul for nhl april sun mon tue wed thu fri sat min cal mon buf bo det chi nyi nyr cal har pit chi stl que ott van det tor phi win edm win ott har van min mon nyi tor phi pit que bo buf har nyr bo que edm van que bo van cal bo mon cal buf min har ott chi nyi pit nyr buf det stl chi cal mon pit det chi pit edm nyr har que nyr nyi phi van ott phi win tor win stl min stl ott nyi nyr pit phi tor ott bo mon mon buf bo ott phi buf que buf nyr phi cal edm nyi har cal cal van chi min pit tor chi chi van nyr min det win edm ott que edm win tor har stl tor har nyi min stl win van nyi pit stl season will begin and end playoff will begin and end nhl regular season game will plai nhl citi season citi milwauke sacramento cleveland indianapoli phoenix miami oklahoma citi dalla atlanta cincinnati provid peoria hamilton saskatoon halifax chart show number game team game each nyi nyr phi pit bo buf har mon ott que chi det min stl tor cal edm van win valeri hammerl hammerl acsu buffalo edu post thi year version nhl schedul program for nhl game for exampl user can find game plai date find ten game plai team copi can obtain mail hammerl acsu buffalo edu neutral site schedul tue calgari minnesota saskatoon tue ottawa toronto hamilton tue chicago washington indianapoli tue toronto quebec hamilton wed buffalo jersei hamilton tue lo angel chicago milwauke tue montreal lo angel phoenix wed tampa bai york ranger miami sun edmonton york island oklahoma citi tue york island loui dalla mon san jose montreal sacramento mon hartford winnipeg saskatoon mon boston pittsburgh atlanta mon loui hartford peoria tue philadelphia calgari cincinnati sat quebec tampa bai halifax mon york ranger san jose sacramento mon detroit philadelphia cleveland tue winnipeg ottawa saskatoon mon vancouv buffalo hamilton thu minnesota vancouv saskatoon tue washington detroit milwauke tue jersei boston provid sun pittsburgh edmonton cleveland locat subject chang nhl playoff schedul wale confer divis semifin april campbel confer divis semifin april wale confer divis final campbel confer divis final wale confer final campbel confer final stanlei cup final june neccessari new score spike bryan strous bk cbnewsh att post weekdai new and box score sundai thursdai john curcio jpc philab philip post weekend new and box score maintain mail list for faster deliveri net contact post team new hear read notabl team new transact and announc note that thi inform cull press releas and post updat each month and inform discuss continu import interest will list for two post boston bruin boston legisl and develop propos boston garden final agre deal that put seat million project back track finish septemb wing daniel maroi will sidelin indefinit surgeri repair herniat disc back defenseman glen murrai provid american hockei leagu buffalo sabr puck acquir left winger bob errei pittsburgh for defenseman mike ramsei veteran buffalo sabr broadcast ted darl will induct into club hall fame sundai april darl join expans sabr team plai plai announc televis and radio ill forc booth last season recal forward viktor gordiouk and doug macdonald rochest american hockei leagu calgari flame acquir veteran wing greg paslawski philadelphia for futur consider recal center todd harkin and left winger toma forslund salt lake citi intern hockei leagu chicago blackhawk million privat financ unit center schedul open august will home nba chicago bull and nhl chicago blackhawk stadium own entiti control two team owner appar not made decis whether chicago stadium will raze for park space onc facil locat directli across street open suspend defenseman craig muni indefinit for fail report trade edmonton detroit red wing acquir defenseman steve konroyd hartford for sixth round draft pick annnounc sign wing joe frederick pick nation hockei leagu entri draft two contrit hockei fan return stolen michigan sport hall fame plaqu honor detroit red wing great gordi how bronz plaqu stolen year ago cobo hall detroit site michigan hall fame edmonton oiler forward esa tikkanen york ranger for center doug weight trade defenseman craig muni chicago for forward mike hudson nhl commission gari bettman edmonton oiler leas northland coliseum improv team surviv citi edmonton northland profit agenc set citi administ exhibit facil includ coliseum oiler owner peter pocklington call leas northland horrend and threaten move team doesn deal make monei park concess build advertis seat coliseum lucr privat box that produc signific revenu for owner announc center kevin todd will not surgeri will miss remaind season separ shoulder hartford whaler defenseman steve konroyd detroit for sixth round draft pick acquir left winger robert kron and round draft pick vancouv for left winger murrai craven and round draft pick state connecticut will begin negoti bui civic center citi effort financi struggl hartford whaler franchis citi lo angel king center john mcintyr york ranger for defenseman mark hardi and ottawa round draft pick minnesota north star call call canada dalla citi council approv agreement minnesota north star that will bring nhl club reunion arena season defenseman mark tinordi captain north star will sidelin rest season includ postseason game north star plai broken collarbon acquir defenseman mark osiecki winnipeg for ninth and round draft pick ad defenseman travi richard univers minnesota employe file sexual harass suit minnesota north star owner norman green karen kari dziedzic green execut assist claim green instruct wear cosmet describ outfit hot and sexi onc slap hand eat and humili grab hand and rub client hair minnesota north star will move dalla thi season announc that season ticket reserv made for home reunion arena capac met center commiss told minnesota north star that club kei return midnight last home game club move dalla for season club pai unpaid interest team late rent payment for made earlier thi month and instruct not properti such scoreboard and zamboni ic surfac machin derian hatcher game misconduct penalti rescind nhl allow minnesota defenseman plai north star last two regular season game hatcher penalti fight end loss loui sundai april leagu didn rescind game misconduct penalti shane churla receiv star recal center cal mcgowan top minor leagu club kalamazoo mich replac churla montreal canadien acquir defenseman rob ramag tampa bai for minor leagu defensemen eric charron and alain cote and futur consider jersei devil berni nichol publicli apolog for critic refere deni morel devil loss buffalo sabr nichol eject morel for man fight late second period that game and afterward nichol call morel homer and embarrass refere associ york island trade wing daniel maroi boston for condit draft choic york ranger obtain forward esa tikkanen edmonton for center doug weight acquir left winger mike hartman tampa bai acquir center john mcintyr lo angel for defenseman mark hardi and ottawa round draft pick defenseman brian leetch will undergo addit surgeri ankl broke skate fall and not expect plai thi season leetch suffer broken ankl march victori san jose team slip ici patch pavement get taxi cab front apart announc that defenseman jame patrick will requir surgeri herniat disc back and will not plai thi season return goaltend corei hirsch binghamton american hockei leagu ottawa senat ottawa senat receiv ahead build seat palladium propos locat nearbi kanata ont project cost million construct will postpon season year schedul ottawa senat lost consecut nhl road game tie washington capit for road loss row assign left wing martin amour haven american hockei leagu philadelphia flyer open date spectrum push back fall formal groundbreak postpon indefinit trade veteran wing greg paslawski calgari flame for futur consider pittsburgh penguin trade left winger bob errei buffalo for defenseman mike ramsei reacquir defenseman peter taglianetti tampa bai lightn for round draft choic revolutionari comic san diego agre destroi copi mario lemieux comic book settlement pittsburgh penguin trademark infring lawsuit penguin su februari charg that sport star mario lemieux comic infring team logo and uniform regist trademark quebec nordiqu loui blue loui blue center ron sutter will miss rest season result separ shoulder san jose shark san jose shark announc that ticket price will increas for season move cow palac into million arena san jose recal defenseman tom pederson kansa citi intern hockei leagu reach agreement principl left wing alexand cherbayev tampa bai lightn two investor group pois build sport arena downtown tampa delai plagu compani that hold leas tampa bai lightn bow tampa coliseum inc leas nation hockei leagu team develop entertain and sport arena tampa stadium unabl rais monei for project left winger mike hartman york ranger for center randi gilhen defenseman peter taglianetti pittsburgh for round draft choic defenseman rob ramag montreal canadien for minor leagu defensemen eric charron and alain cote and futur consider manon rheaum start appear goal for atlanta knight impress for coach chanc backup goali for anoth minor leagu team season rheaum femal plai profession hockei stop shot and gave six goal cincinnati cyclon saturdai night april game coach gene ubriaco rheaum perform compet for goali spot louisvil icehawk east coast hockei leagu season knight and icehawk minor leagu club tampa bai lightn season come close rumor swirl that tampa bai lightn becom atlanta lightn minnesota lightn rumor lightn gener manag phil esposito espn report sundai april that lightn plai seat expo hall explor opportun move atlanta minneapoli esposito truth report disappoint espn irrespons comment esposito substanc rumor rumor swirl for past two year move tampa bai present discuss plan build arena toronto mapl leaf defenseman matt martin help main win ncaa hockei championship gave final year elig and sign contract toronto mapl leaf vancouv canuck vancouv canuck clear last hurdl effort build stadium vancouv council green light for million dollar complex will seat thousand peopl and will adjoin offic tower will built viaduct place vancouv site prepar will begin thi summer complet date fall trade left winger robert kron and round draft pick hartford for left winger murrai craven and round draft pick obtain defenseman dan ratushni winnipeg for ninth round draft pick sign wing brian lonei multi year contract and assign hamilton american hockei leagu ahl washington capit cap trade goaltend jim hrivnak and futur consider winnipeg for goaltend rick tabaracci winnipeg jet winnipeg jet allow econom assist order smyth divis result expans defenseman mark osiecki minnesota for ninth and round draft pick goaltend rick tabaracci washington for jim hrivnak and futur consider defenseman dan ratushni vancouv for ninth round draft pick winnipeg teemu selann broke nhl rooki point record jet rooki ti record point set peter stastni quebec goal season and move ahead assist loss toronto fort wayn komet told winnipeg that jet will minor leagu affili moncton american hockei leagu report jet move player moncton fort wayn season expans new nation hockei leagu announc that expans anaheim and south florida franchis will join leagu for season disnei and nation hockei leagu offici announc mondai march that mighti duck anaheim disnei expans team will ic fall michael eisner chairman and chief execut offic walt disnei mighti duck will plai pond anaheim sport arena disnei flagship theme park arena construct and will complet june pond seat team meet leagu requir that sell season ticket for final grant nhl membership anaheim name jack ferreira gener manag and pierr gauthier assist gener manag veteran nhl scout godfrei hire midwest region scout for anaheim mighti duck philadelphia flyer senior vice presid bobbi clark name mondai march post gener manag for miami nhl expans team franchis owner wayn huizenga made announc miami arena month award franchis huizenga plan team ic time for begin nhl season octob realign eastern confer atlant divis washington capit jersei devil york island york ranger philadelphia flyer south florida tampa bai lightn northeast divis boston bruin buffalo sabr hartford whaler montreal canadien ottawa senat pittsburgh penguin quebec nordiqu western confer central divis chicago blackhawk dalla star detroit red wing loui blue toronto mapl leaf winnipeg jet pacif divis anaheim mighti duck calgari flame edmonton oiler lo angel king san jose shark vancouv canuck schedul eastern confer team will plai game each six division oppon game each team confer divis and two game each western confer member western confer team will plai six game each division oppon game each six team confer divis and two game each eastern confer club playoff system will confer base team meet team round and matchup will base point divis champion second place seed each confer and assur home ic two playoff round seri will rotat matchup central and pacif team seri will rotat reduc travel case team regular season point will choos whether start seri home draft new term expans draft will held june each exist club will allow protect goaltend defensemen and forward recent expans draft allow team protect two goali and not make distinct forward and defensemen year pro will exempt draft two year exempt team had last season san jose tampa bai and ottawa will allow exempt second year pro each team will lose two player maximum loss goaltend and maximum loss defenseman except that team lose goaltend can longer lose defenseman end phase draft two franchis will goaltend defensemen and forward for total player second phase will conduct san jose tampa bai and ottawa will select two player each roster two team ottawa tampa bai and san jose will guarante prioriti draft select draft long worst record anaheim and miami will choos lower fourth and expans franchis will move draft san jose tampa bai ottawa not finish bottom posit two team will pick and second entri draft finish two team not plai season prioriti draft posit owner announc draft will hartford and draft winnipeg draft schedul for boston delai construct arena requir draft move leagu new disput nhl owner and player resolv differ salari arbitr procedur clear for hear nhlpa execut director bob goodenow didn disclos issu resolv prior stick point had manner statist us arbitr hear olymp nhl announc februari will not make profession player compet winter olymp leagu leadership lo angel king owner bruce mcnall succeed blackhawk owner bill wirtz chairman nhl power board governor appoint join mcnall execut committe ron corei montreal canadien mike ilitch detroit red wing peter pocklington edmonton oiler and snider philadelphia flyer gari bettman vice presid and gener counsel nation basketbal associ name commission nation hockei leagu fridai decemb miscellan henri richard berni parent and billi smith name special ambassador for stanlei cup centenni season long celebr nhl championship trophi trio will leagu wide function such star game and stanlei cup playoff nation hockei leagu name john turner prime minist canada serv board director hockei hall fame and museum and nomin scotti morrison david taylor larri bertuzzi robert bundi walter bush murrai costello jim gregori lesli kaplan lawrenc meyer and alan tonk serv board take offic march nhl presid gil stein individu elect hockei hall fame builder categori buffalo sabr chairman board and presid seymour knox iii vancouv canuck chairman frank griffith and veteran canadian hockei execut fred page nhl linesman john amico select hall fame refere linesman categori nhl game carri tsn and cbc canada espn check your local list nation hockei leagu struck condit year deal espn televis profession hockei season seri agreement grant espn exclus nation coverag nhl start season and cabl network option extend term that domest agreement for year deal grant espn exclus intern televis distribut exclud canada for year leagu contract call for espn televis regular season game domest audienc thi come season and playoff game includ entir stanlei cup final major espn regular season game will televis fridai night nhl commission gari bettman announc wednesdai march that abc sport will televis stanlei cup playoff game start month abc will carri playoff game network arrang espn rightshold for nhl game espn will provid product game abc own espn april wale confer game quarterfin april campbel confer game quarterfin wale confer game semifin campbel confer game semifin wale confer game final award winner star team hall fame inducte and draft pick award winner hart trophi mvp mark messier nyr vezina trophi goali patrick roi mon norri trophi defenseman brian leetch nyr calder trophi rooki pavel bure van selk trophi defens forward gui carbonneau mon ladi byng trophi sportsmanship wayn gretzki jack adam award coach pat quinn van bill masterton memori trophi persever mark fitzpatrick nyi king clanci trophi contribut commun rai bourqu bo jen trophi lowest team gaa patrick roi mon art ross trophi score point mario lemieux pit hall famer player frank boucher and red dutton and execut bruce mcnall and gil stein thursdai name winner lester patrick award for outstand servic hockei unit state award select each year committe repres wide cross section hockei commun star team patrick roi mon rai bourqu bo brian leetch nyr mark messier nyr brett hull stl kevin steven pit star game starter vote fan wale confer mario lemieux pittsburgh jaromir jagr pittsburgh kevin steven pittsburgh rai bourqu boston brian leetch 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rec.sport.hockey	barasso cheap shot master watch pengiun year and team notic increas tom barasso cheap shot thi year and not notic corrspond increas goaltend notic that get exampl last night notic elbow scott steven head basic start shove match that steven scott and tocchet minut minor kick john mclean wasn call for that isn kick automat match penalti and game suspens glenn anderson year ago for kick gaetan duchesn chest doubt mind that barasso dirtiest golatend sinc hextal good that tocchet head butt automat susppens that kick match penalti can rememb anymor playoff fun ralph
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rec.sport.hockey	mogilni bench articl acsu buffalo edu ubvmsb buffalo edu andrew korbut write thi game continu trend that sadli take shape for coupl week had hope fatigu aberr can snow longer alex mogilni bench disciplinari action and explan for ysebaert jump and lafontain score win goal yesterdai wasn gui patti thi stuff mogilni doesn surpris that week ago read toronto sun quot alex sarcast yep patti man respons for team success post time forgot sinc talk problem heard that locker room beat shit spot patti respons press take heat alex that lafontain epitom class and consumm team player yep beat shit lafontain team player make you island manag think question hell muckler whether wish admit not team coach and can job job can gee kinda alex spot team isn devil advoc
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rec.sport.hockey	minu stat articl ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write apr sol uvic gballent vancouv uvic greg ballentin write you complet miss point selk trophi defens forward thi forward forgo point team defens unsung hero sort lemieux and gilmour good defens player plai offens orient style true defens forward thi year you mean gui that check can score gui can check and score shouldn candid that selk candid forward main purpos shift prevent goal score not score lemieux gilmour plai number purpos score defenc secondari line that plai defens that not selk candid tarasov call bob gainei player world assum that mean technic player knew intricaci plai hockei and never made technic error and that made thi assumpt your friend greg peopl aren you can assum that you want you tarasov you idiot post thi assumpt lost translat month ago thi repost agre thi assess bob gainei technic player greg you thi sun you claud provost gainei noth journeyman player outstand abil polit had col lection defens skill had absolut offens skill perhap you that abil pass puck shoot puck and deke goali defenseman not technic skill gainei defens forward stand that assess good player belong hall fame you watch plai never made technic error babbl delet gee greg pundit call gilmour two player leagu back loui expect you pick that pundit gilmour good loui not two player game you overhyp gilmour thi net for month good forward nhl gregmeist
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rec.sport.hockey	minu stat articl mala apland mala ron apland write articl apr sol uvic gballent vancouv uvic greg ballentin write adjust calcul team goal score goal score goal allow goal allow penalti kill divid thi number into account fact that player ic and each respons for team player adjust raw team adjust btw calcul and post adjust rate greatli appreci find time don count databas filter set for player stat post for end season repost team averag you don complic team adjust you you team averag sum individu player and divid total number player team thi will distort player trade recent will come score base origin team thi shouldn distort bad you want individu player thi perspect ahead you requir origin player stat question team player season you divid total player plai game consid equal valuabl player plai anoth thing compar deviat mean for team player standard deviat for team post sinc standard deviat for each team unsur transfer team that stat shouldn averag standard deviat leagu us interest each method that mine for reason familiar gregmeist
rec.sport.hockey	minnesota recal mcgowan derian hatcher game misconduct penalti rescind nhl allow minnesota defenseman plai north star last two regular season game hatcher penalti fight end loss loui sundai april leagu didn rescind game misconduct penalti shane churla receiv star recal center cal mcgowan top minor leagu club kalamazoo mich replac churla courtesi washington time line servic tape tuesdai chicago minnesota game contact term will favor can tape tonight minnesota detroit game contact thi quit import onc will make worth your troubl rec sport hockei contact for minnesota north star and maintain faq file mitch mcgowan kalamazoo wing minnesota north star hamlet washington edu kilda saint toronto blue jai
rec.sport.hockey	helsinki stockholm nhl expans mlindroo finabo abo marcu lindroo inf write not low perhap sure not high that european nhl divis finnish team for exampl player nation team top class foreign two leagu tp jokerit perhap dozen player intern class even that settl for minor leagu you matter you call team jokerit and tp helsinki tornado and turku typhoon palyer finland eventu end team big leagu spend mark watch helsinki tornado plai montreal ranger lo angel mark for privileg jokerit jypht even djurgarden noth nhl period unrealist for expand finnish leagu team baltic countri entri will interest idea that settl bigger ultim goal you want european divis nhl btw that make final europan team norht american
rec.sport.hockey	playoff predict send your predict for stanlei cup playoff want peopl will win send thi format compar winner buffalo boston winner montreal quebec winner pittsburgh york winner jersei washington winner chicago minnesota loui winner toronto detroit winner vancouv winnipeg winner calgari lo angel winner adam divis winner patrick divis winner norri divis winner smyth divis winner wale confer winner campbel confer winner stanlei cup will summar predict and biggest internet guru predict gui gal send entri richard madison rrmadiso napier uwaterloo will send entri you folk you won that won
rec.sport.hockey	hawk will return final hawk won norri div and seal fate bad luck win norri hawk will sweep blue dream will lose realiti predict that game blue belfour will knee time and will spend rest time butcher will pound roenick and warthawk tough prevent bye bye wart hawk
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rec.sport.hockey	minu stat apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic greg ballentin write selk candid forward main purpos shift prevent goal score not score lemieux gilmour plai number purpos score defenc secondari line that plai defens that not selk candid gainei defens forward stand that assess good player belong hall fame you watch plai never made technic error watch entir career never player and that includ russel courtnal and davi keon screw breakawai bob gainei and will never forget time deni potvin caught gainei head you sold bill good bob gainei gainei plugger and press run thing star dynasti start hype plugger grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch gore bob nystrom bob gainei doug jarvi derek sanderson wayn cashman bob baun bob pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff and cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian
rec.sport.hockey	wfan steve chief hour steve summer and chief hour last night shmooz sport miss you can you provid synopsi czar mainfram comput jbe musicb mcgill mcgill univers sexi for cobol hab doesn good expo peter peter pumkin eater knew chick couldn meet brother fine dai suck cock gai andrew dice clai disclaim needless that opinion express czar repres faculti staff and student mcgill univers
rec.sport.hockey	pen box score pen devil period score pittsburgh daniel needham tippett devil lemieux semak driver pittsburgh steven tocchet murphi ppg devil zelepukin driver niedermay penalti pgh steven rough njd pellerin doubl minor cross check njd zelepukin trip njd stasni hold pgh taglianetti rough njd lemieux rough pgh jagr trip second period score pittsburgh lemieux murphi tocchet devil semak lemieux zelepukin pittsburgh mceachern jagr barrasso njd steven guerin pellerin pittsburgh lemieux unassist shg devil richer nichol devil lemieux zelepukin penalti pgh steven rough njd mckai rough pgh mullen hook pgh tocchet rough njd steven slash njd lemieux unsportsmanlik conduct pgh samuelsson cross check pgh barrasso doubl minor spear serv mceachern njd holik cross check njd lemieux rough period score pittsburgh mullen jagr lemieux penalti njd daneyko interfer pgh steven rough njd holik rough pgh match penalti game misconduct njd zelepukin trip pgh steven rough njd daneyko rough overtim score score penalti penalti shot goal pittsburgh devil goali barrasso shot save billington shot save ref devorski linesmen gauthier vine lori contact for penguin lli cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	giveawai articl kqr access digex net steveg cadkei steve gallichio wrote john curcio jpc philab philip respond drivel steveg cadkei steve gallichio write surpris that give goodi end game two problem that that you want make peopl build assur get redeem voucher and that build manag want avoid cost delai peopl leav build for instanc goodi peopl exit jersei devil carvel ic cream puck night last year belov bruin plai puck end game imagin happen late bruin win figur post articl found that whaler coupon for giveawai fridai night that big corpor bank fly disk night that potenti for danger bunch giveawai land ic and never ceas amus thank for player that sponsor lead pipe night arena that couldn find sponser uss sponser pittsburgh penguin steel steel rod night close naah bounc jai caufield cincinnati cyclon game year ago local countri station sponsor kazoo giveawai bad call underexperienc echl ref kazoostorm time ic thought thi pathet displai fan rightfulli unhappi jason
rec.sport.hockey	canuck clinch bure score playoff goal previou articl steveg cadkei steve gallichio ron apland apland mala write quinn will resign head coach thi secret and hopefulli will bring game spatial and institut team disciplin plai keenan give and coach and quinn upstair presid impress that rick lei line for canuck job quinn step bench lei coach canuck organ bring back harri neal witti freenet carleton rachel holm
rec.sport.hockey	hockei and hispan commun rickc wriglei corp sgi richard casar write articl edu icop csa edu antonio pera write presenc team miami can south florida long make interest question can you sell hispan commun hockei miami hispan thi commun experi and previou exposur hockei that team and big hispan group not woo thi group will miami spanish languag and radio coverag you hard time sell sport commun that can plai account avail financi reason hockei pretti sport for white and suffic that sport for make substanti invest equip etc you that avail line skate and road hockei contribut rise awar ic hockei argu thi effect kid plai ic hockei winter and road hockei summer line skate
rec.sport.hockey	suhonen will not jokerit tvartiai vipunen hut tvartiai vipunen hut tommi vartiainen write insid inform alpo suhonen won headcoach jokerit pretti that bori majorov will continu owner team previous that will chanc coach tommi wrong inform announc that suhonen made deal jokerit tommi
rec.sport.hockey	mogilni bench articl wong sfu wong fraser sfu sam wong write week ago read toronto sun quot alex sarcast yep patti man respons for team success can you assum sarcast remark for languag not english interpret that comment mean that believ pat mvp team and that normal player quit modest don recal assum perhap that columnist report incid tell truth sarcast impress steve simmon knowledg alex pretti fair grasp english languag and recent comment detroit game that thi remark low dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat articl ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic greg ballentin write gainei defens forward stand that assess good player belong hall fame you watch plai never made technic error watch entir career never player and that includ russel courtnal and davi keon screw breakawai bob gainei and will never forget time deni potvin caught gainei head you sold bill good bob gainei gainei plugger and press run thing star dynasti start hype plugger grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch gore bob nystrom bob gainei doug jarvi derek sanderson wayn cashman bob baun bob pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff and player pretti good player depth that dynasti had win stanlei cup tend good second line gui liner weaker club nhl import club stanlei cup win team not won cup not for depth provid player compar rick tocchet and ron franci penguin good player can lead lesser team franci hartford tocchet philli provid depth team that nhl defens forward bob gainei that doesn mean player even forward canadian had that time excel gainei domin game defenc didn goal domin shut opposit and valuabl never thi not gregmeist
rec.sport.hockey	washington beat pitt articl kkq acsu buffalo edu ubvmsd buffalo edu ralph ambrosio write articl apr mprgate mpr tasallot galaxi mpr mathew tasalloti write penguin patrick will win cup hardest task that divis that washington will definitli throw rench into penguin plan canuck fan not that chanc thi year washington team that can stop penguin win stanlei cup impress that penguin had cap number for season mathew tasalloti mpr teltech vancouv canada ask interject opinion matter concern island playoff come jet for and last year capit had pen number game playoff john horstmann
rec.sport.hockey	hockei bai area not don sport channel and despar for playoff action cannuck sport bar bai peninsula that will show hockei game for redwood citi and mountain view lot greg
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask poll updat goali mask poll sinc peopl gave decid give pt for favorit pt for for you mail respons gave pt feel free send your favorit you vote mask you will receiv vote for player not nhl mention team plai for date result player team pt vote belfour chicago andi moog boston curti joseph loui brian hayward san jose grant fuhr buffalo ron hextal quebec clint malarchuk buffalo manon rheaum atlanta ihl john casei minnesota rick wamslei toronto retir that vote and come skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	washington beat pitt articl ged tauru np navi mil galvint np navi mil thoma galvin write articl rap psuvm psu edu robbi rap psuvm psu edu write articl apr mprgate mpr tasallot galaxi mpr mathew tasalloti chanc thi year washington team that can stop penguin win stanlei cup island and devil chanc penguin capit imo make you island shot couldn even beat whaler two game mention time island plai talent level oppon sinc hartford piti island plai piti sinc pittsburgh great isl will like plai great thi like due inexperi and poor shoot greg notic that island couldn hit broad side barn puck two feet front shoot percentag don that sinc miss net complet shed light subject and playoff pool run exact rule post tomorrow don hesit send pick keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ want your opinion give you
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rec.sport.hockey	espn tonight swartzjh rosevc rose hulman edu write heard game espn show tonight will show game mean playoff wise assum thi blue tampa game minnesota red wing game heard for jeff swartz star wing game
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rec.sport.hockey	stop predict articl apr ncsu edu cdkaupan eo ncsu edu carl david kaupang write annoi predict net care you will win stop predict cap win cup that word doktor kultur ottawa citizen rememb unhook nitrou oxid you leav dentist chair jet for onc playoff beg you paul badertsch uwovax uwo
rec.sport.hockey	stan fischler keenan stuff articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write oiler will charg eat press room year articl toronto paper thi month ago globe and mail ethic journalist even sport journalist not accept free meal team case point articl make admittdli sport report ethic standard gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	flyer note flyer close season last night straight victori winner hartford whaler game winner dimitri yushkevich season and game winner flyer never led that point game for whaler loss mark nhl record loss thi season roster move gord hyne call plai place ryan mcgill injuri ryan mcgill injur hand fight and scratch line eklund lindro recchi beranek brind amour dineen lomakin butsayev conroi faust acton brown gallei bowen yushkevich hawgood carkner hyne domin roussel game summari didn coverag game and sinc stormi part didn radio coverag box score thing pick period hartford nyland philadelphia recchi lindro brind amour penalti verbeek har hold carkner phi rough houda har interfer second period hartford burt cunneyworth kron philadelphia bowen eklund recchi hartford nyland zalapski sanderson penalti gallei phi major game misconduct spear verbeek har major game misconduct spear brown phi trip zalapski har trip brind amour phi slash period hartford kron sanderson cassel philadelphia beranek lomakin yushkevich philadelphia faust brind amour roussel penalti houda har trip hawgood phi hold overtim philadelphia yushkevich faust penalti power plai philadelphia hartford goali philadelphia roussel shot save hartford lenarduzzi hartford goal gord hyne misplai puck flyer blue line and nyland strip and recchi goal lindro bowen goal puck threw net good carom and end goali second nyland goal whack puck thi frustrat part flyer defens bodi and shot and beat you fine don give anoth chanc carkner gallei and mcgill terribl thi bet monei closest flyer plai that radio bad that and lucki that score heard roussel had strong game game gene hart ask bobbi taylor pick star season game garri gallei for career high point total surpris that goali wouldn closer defens plai tommi soderstrom for team record ty shutout season and mark recchi for time high team singl season score mark odd part couldn decid lindro and recchi for number pick recchi had hard time choos and lindro doesn that make lindro you wanna star season sinc you ask eric lindro eric domin game simpli step ic differ team record and accid that team almost success recchi question that thi team significantli eric lindro and that will deservedli wear jersei season tommi soderstrom shutout second leagu belfour and tommi didn chri chelio booo front didn plai complet season due heart problem sentiment edg famili histori heart problem question mind that tommi soderstrom thi team goali futur and roussel complain number for trade year mark recchi you can argu time team high singl season score mark aw lot team that didn singl player point mark flyer plai entir season not tough choic honor mention rod brind amour top singl season high point total set last year differ that wasn top line thi year and didn plai time didn defens attent that last year team dimtri yushkevich team consist defenseman made rooki mistak fast make for feel that shot score point year give zone and suspect that team top defenseman year come garri gallei team point leader defensemen thing you can argu and battl chronic fatigu syndrom deserv kudo for miss game and that wish doctor order defens plai negat offens contribut caution and bit smarter end will make import part team year brent fedyk leagu biggest improv last year point total consist problem for coupl misc note for mail list member tom misnik member mail list exchang mail address list member want touch summer you interest you can send mail att acr org tmisnik flyer end season game below place win percentag sinc divis patrick home finish will draft year entri draft quebec had rounder score goal allow straight win sinc won row will send final stat issu hockei new that contain sinc game for get hope you enjoi thi year hockei season know futur that come made miss playoff time almost bearabl flyer team record watch eric lindro goal assist point rooki record club record goal club record point eric lindro dave poulin brian propp brian propp ron flockhart eric lindro dave poulin ron flockhart bill barber pell eklund mark recchi goal assist point club record goal club record point reggi leach mark recchi tim kerr bobbi clark tim kerr bobbi clark mark recchi bill barber rick macliesh bobbi clark bill barber rick macliesh reggi leach game flyer career year player point prior season mark recchi penguin rod brind amour flyer garri gallei king brent fedyk red wing that for pete clark rsh flyer contact and mail list owner
rec.sport.hockey	predict classic playoff year anoth predict for great playoff you laugh your conveni adam divis hate name divisoin bo buf bo hot mon que mon thi will seri watch round bo mon mon thi bit bias feel canadien will smarten and start plai plai two month ago bench savard patrick divis pit njd pit wont complet cake walk lump cake batter nyi thi will not excit seri imo pitt pit washington will tire nyi norri divis chi stl chi stl will lucki game tor det tor thi mon que will anoth intens seri watch chi tor tor potvin will settl nice thi point smyth divis van win van teemu great vancouv team cal lak cal gretzki great calgari fire for pun not van cal van thi will great seri van proven will not lie and beat wale confer final pittsburgh montreal montreal montreal imho team that chanc pittsburgh campbel confer final vancouv toronto toronto potvin will seri mvp stanlei cup final toronto mapl leaf montreal canadien classic stanlei cup final matchup dream come true montreal win stanlei cup game doubl overtim roi and potvin spectacular seri and share seri mvp that vincent damphous net game winner brilliant pass brian bellow canadien star deni savard watch buddi plai owner box nurs that splinter thumb left disabl list sinc game playoff awww shuck yee haa poof and wake that predict hope and dream come true and you can stop laugh anytim paul die hard hab fan live die hard leaf fan
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rec.sport.hockey	correct playoff predict read thi you your predict correct patrick divis you you midnight mondai time you correct game pittsburgh jersei york island washington patrick divis winner wale confer winner stanlei cup winner forward correct richard madison rrmadiso napier uwaterloo pen isl devil cap pen devil
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain apr ann arbor applicon slb coll ann arbor applicon slb michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season leaf kind comic second imlach era darryl sittler call cancer team tore sweater and for leaf didn captain sittler eventu end philli and promis philli captainci and sittler friend bobbi clark sittler trade detroit rick vaiv leaf captain for awhil slept dai and captainci trade chicago doug carpent tenur leaf coach attempt kiss ass sulk gari leeman leaf brad marsh give leeman leeman wouldn and give back marsh wouldn stori rememb captain concern mel bridgman late senat philadelphia bobbi clark arguabl great captain time bump statu plai coach and had relinquish captainci bridgman captain report ask flyer bridgman captain sinc clark undisput leader player report told that bridgman charg make that soap dispens shower full cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
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rec.sport.hockey	flame brutal loss subject suggest flame not impress thi afternoon drop decis king flame neglect show zone king hit post flame line skrudland paslawski berub tell bad flame gari suter score great goal fact flame goal score men yawnei and dahlquist get made bonehead plai for king pat conach impress game chippi dan mirouelli lost control earli and never recov high stick cross check punch hit fleuri game misconduct for rub warren rychel flame domin game physic fail advantag due horrend defens laps don vernon can blame for goal calgari men roger johansson plai look lost imho hope king insert chri lindbergh paul kruse sergei makarov for wednesdai game gretzki left game period charlei hors idea didn return flame win thi seri buckl vlad impal
rec.sport.hockey	playoff pool updat compil statist entri pool unoffici entrant stat team pick win pittsburgh sweep boston detroit montreal toronto thi wasn roger calgari quebec vancouv washington hell hasn pick chicago quebec pick detroit absolut chicago odd loser detroit chicago pittsburgh vancouv boston calgari lo angel toronto lo angel you your mind good luck you you pittsburgh consensu winner stanlei cup statist beat detroit game haha that happen not pick will come true and pick chicago lose pittsburgh final tough luck you picket detroit tough luck geniu keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ cow not vegetarian dish keith keller
rec.sport.hockey	flame brutal loss thi game great part doubl header abc espn leagu push back back win magnifiqu and great network that that sca area and hard justifi pai channel gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	canadian team articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write center mark messier ranger messier not invit due nag injuri press made issu and attempt link ranger intern polit woe mike keenan repeat that messier person msg press confer make sens messier not declin invit made for public messier invit declin due nag injuri keenan and messier keenan dump steve yzerman last canada cup team even yzerman had endur train camp messier had miss essenti entir camp recov injuri last moment gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit detroit octopu symbol dai leagu era origin team made playoff win cup team had win two game seri word playoff win win cup octopu leg becom common detroit symbol year playoff time peopl start sneak octopu octopi into joe loui arena and throw ic mail jold vma edu
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april summari don cherri coach corner april place intermiss game montreal quebec seri pre game comment don pregam comment aim goali goali get back star form roi hextal can win seri for team eposod summari thi episod place rinksid don hold hot dog that bought concess stand ron maclean start show cartoon appear toronto sun featur pictur don shadow and proclaim will you dat mean anoth week beauti don talk hot dog hold hot dog quebec stadium food arena nhl don comment quebec montreal game game had great flow refere paul stewart call game nhl contrast calgari game terribl stop and minut penalti call calgari dan marouelli get that ref call penalti get ref final ron show pictur don plai for rochest american ahl don recal win that had quebec arena memori cup and ahl championship final don and ron discuss keenan coach ranger ranger talent team underachiev don feel for temporari coach ron smith had kei injuri leetch and patrick and goali cold don had critic for ranger team parti adolf keenan ranger organ will longer countri club acham tank adolf hang yardarm thumb rate noth special thi episod give allan sullivan allan ualberta depart comput scienc univers alberta edmonton alberta canada opinion mine and mine alon amaz can accomplish care get credit golden bear hockei motto drake
rec.sport.hockey	flame brutal loss articl vzhivov cunew vzhivov superior carleton vladimir zhivov write subject suggest flame not impress thi afternoon drop decis king flame neglect show zone king hit post flame line mike vernon win loss that star game debacl afternoon game career anoth afternoon game lo angel sundai abc deal doom flame gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	abc canada articl boora sfu boora kit sfu godfath write abc coverag king flame game suppos shown cbc overrid abc coverag flip abc comment commerci even question thi real abc coverag cbc black abc coverag for nanaimo vancouv island for you furrin abc coverag komo depend your cabl compani start switch cbc and abc broadcast final settl abc can stand don whitman and michael decent job plai pretti knew player name and made coupl rooki mistak that notic thing that surpris that never onc attempt explain offsid rule paranoid thi happen depart fight game coupl occas look fight start time abc cut show closeup coach mcnall abc decid adopt spicer polici lorn epp epp mala
rec.sport.hockey	blackhawk win articl apr vax cn muskingum edu jbrown vax cn muskingum edu write hawk win jermei roenick score goal and hawk put leaf place loser column leaf can not even beat hawk match that had mean will hate wing btw laugh that jerki hawk gotta hawk can beat blue game that signific can wait blue toronto btw you that hawk deserv win that game you not watch roar leaf fan alfr yong jeh yim mathemat actuari scienc univers waterloo canada mail ayim descart waterloo edu
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write that will hard time pittsburgh face final detroit sportswrit predict bryan murrai hockei you figur that bryan murrai wing pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup look win pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup win great make move push team upper echelon nhl and win stanlei cup good murrai can maintain team success can push level histori hockei murrai name murrai isn even leagu todai fail comparison sinden sather savard caron fletcher and quinn estim can imagin bryan murrai can hockei gregmeist
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rec.sport.hockey	minu stat roger maynard share view mass bob gainei and life gener apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic greg ballentin write selk candid forward main purpos shift prevent goal score not score lemieux gilmour plai number purpos score defenc secondari line that plai defens that not selk candid gainei defens forward stand that assess good player belong hall fame you watch plai never made technic error watch entir career never player and that includ russel courtnal and davi keon screw breakawai bob gainei and will never forget time deni potvin caught gainei head you sold bill good bob gainei bryan trottier not deni potvin viciou board trottier major roger hell thi gainei skill hockei player probert smash gilmour head into board week will that diminish your assess gilmour skill gainei plugger and press run thing star dynasti start hype plugger grant fuhr essa tikkannen butch gore bob nystrom bob gainei doug jarvi derek sanderson wayn cashman bob baun bob pulford ralph backstrom henri richard dick duff and fuhr and sanderson gainei honour that you includ thi list you rel naiv view win hockei game plugger integr part team selk design acknowledg contribut that peopl understand that not nobel prize settl cordial roger maynard maynard ramsei laurentian congeni jame david david student busi uwo david sm busi uwo jame david western busi school london ontario
rec.sport.hockey	ranger give nhl anoth blackey new report toronto that ranger insist that kovalev zubov and andersson plai for binghampton calder cup playoff return plai for home countri world championship shame ranger anoth black ey for nhl europ gerald
rec.sport.hockey	playoff predict predict not laugh hyster save thi can laugh win pool don prize love brag right winner take sort score system think for round victori for second for for alot ti idea buffalo montreal pittsburgh washington chicago toronto winnipeg lo angel montreal pittsburgh chicago winnipeg montreal chicago montreal richard madison rrmadiso napier uwaterloo
rec.sport.hockey	ahl calder cup playoff preview daryl turner umturn ccu umanitoba wrote articl apr new clarkson edu farenebt craft camp clarkson edu droopi write atlant divis john mapl leaf moncton hawk moncton hawk island moncton similar team cdi low score defens good goaltend john leblanc and stu barn notic gun team defens top notch and mike neill underr goali leagu bri you sinc februari michael neill underr goali ahl isn ahl winnipeg jet injuri list sinc nhl start ottawa senat year surgeri repair shoulder separ stu barn ahl gun for hawk line center jet and sinc mid januari memori thought that neill back februari incorrect info guess thi moncton barn top scorer even sinc januari bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl and ecac contact for rec sport hockei usa hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu congrat boston bruin adam divis champion phoenix sun pacif divis champion
rec.sport.hockey	individu winner doubter hmm sinc you mention articl apr jarvi csri toronto edu migod ture toronto edu mike godfrei write lemieux mvp question chip masterson selann win calder yep chelio norri you ask dai ago agre you give nod raymond bourqu plai time chelio get close second dunno win vezina suspect not potvin barrasso final get due close eddi eagl coach year tricki burn raw talent king good job flame underachiev last year brian sutter exception year team ditto demer page bless ripen and acquisit young talent darryl sutter good year for rooki coach berri made bad situat terri crisp work minor miracl and bowman bowman pick burn mildli bias your case that bia accept mine show norri pick even impress coach you mention pick arbour not folk thought isl playoff alon contend for divis grant that cousin broadwai and island mow lawn mike godfrei david kehrer dwk sunsrvr cci northern telecom na rochest york noth for eat six piec pizza dinner wife and not rememb had pizza jacqu demer
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rec.sport.hockey	european expans and cked system talk european expans think wish thought total ball leagu format us incompat that europ for that don team lower divis promot and worst demot european fan put you paid you can plai attitud long support team that run ranger base corpor think us term lightli don good product duffus nyc fill arena for ottawa record year haha had hockei and pro sport had similar system europ team ranger forc compet demot fourth divis team centr that aren big halifax adirondack halifax isn good exampl eventu promot and team somewhat competet divis unlik ottawa edmonton etc fan eventu reward for loyalti penal for neglect and leagu interest and dynam year influx newli promot team and halifax citadel win stanlei cup can dream can british european soccer exampl never fan problem think system suck barfli feel free flame account end todai hahahaha
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rec.sport.hockey	flyer thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr cbnewsm att jmd cbnewsm att joseph dake write articl apr cbnewsh att seth cbnewsh att peter clark write roussel give almost anoth goal game face proport number shot for number minut plai and check that face lower qualiti oppon make that half goal game lower qualiti opponet argument immateri roussel soderstrom had matter that dineen decis word roussel shut shark and soderstrom shut penguin that immateri coach decis come joe you plai signific plai irrelev low gaa good team low gaa bad team context compar two goaltend low gaa higher gaa low gaa good team higher gaa bad team context compar two goaltend fact matter that despit last night shutout doesn take last night due inept ranger team roussel skill and don shot and gui pass and stop gui shoot into roussel pad mon pete ranger inept shutout shutout soderstrom masterpiec toronto mike emerich quot didn leaf had offens firepow past line that make soderstrom shutout impress toronto lack offens absolut context compar two goaltend end season point point matter you and score sheet shutout shutout you coach decid two goali make trade you deeper stat sheet didn second toronto game defens masterpiec noth that game judg tommi soderstrom wasn test for roussel ranger game two real score chanc made great plai save mistak player you judg roussel that game alon you you tie hab you goali stand head that shutout that goali action roussel doesn game that you back novemb roussel goali soderstrom treat for heart ailment flyer finish novemb and and know flyer finish soderstom wasn wear oragn black glad don find anytim hell player roussel dom take gui outperform hextal season make flyer manag that don that flyer manag never bad thing roussel don good side two interview time farwel ask happi two good goaltend tommi thi tommi that and yeah dom plai final card mondai night team pictur chanc flyer nhl hall fame kinda dull hand team pictur walk pizza hut pictur sold program mid season had name ben kasper and flyer choos fan receiv shirt back win recchi jersei break club singl season point record nice know your luck you won roussel random seat locat autograph team photo don that method sinc guard peopl thing lindro pictur sure hand autograph pictur hold for buddi pete clark
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rec.sport.hockey	real cap chanc believ that cap can beat pen kid pen not loos game playoff geoff filinuk flyer fan
rec.sport.hockey	individu winner doubter hmm apr cci cci dwk cci cci dave kehrer write sinc you mention articl apr jarvi csri toronto edu migod ture toronto edu mike godfrei write chelio norri you ask dai ago agre you give nod raymond bourqu plai time chelio get close second kevin hatcher score roughli goal plai minut game dunno win vezina suspect not potvin barrasso final get due close eddi eagl that sad two second rate goali barasso and belfour main contend for vezina call crazi tommi soderstrom shutout for place team that doesn plai defens unfortun that goali leagu mclean essensa vernon had unspectacular year btw you award norri basi last dai not give vezina moog goali past month coach year tricki burn raw talent king good job flame underachiev last year brian sutter exception year team ditto demer page bless ripen and acquisit young talent darryl sutter good year for rooki coach berri made bad situat terri crisp work minor miracl and bowman bowman pick burn mildli bias your case that bia accept mine show norri pick even impress coach you mention pick arbour not folk thought isl playoff alon contend for divis grant that cousin broadwai and island mow lawn arbour king burn will win sinc playoff aren into consider regular season not beaten hartford playoff vlad impal
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rec.sport.hockey	schedul articl netnew upenn edu kkeller mail sa upenn edu keith keller write articl qup linnotb master rose hulman edu swartzjh rosevc rose hulman edu write game espn will air thi week hopefulli detroit toronto game tongiht abc decent job get king hockei game televis nation tonight hell thi hell espn show stupid basebal game basebal not even week into season and hockei playoff wait answer piss end start put cking game will never make monei deal that brought hockei back espn aargh not that watch hockei public can keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ cow not vegetarian dish keith keller you don understand schedul work espn had prior contract basebal show mondai night game and had contract show advanc nhl deal late schedul process you thi year nhl packag finish two week season start espn shown tremend commit nhl squeez extra telecast last minnesota game and put stanlei cup game backup basebal telecast favor circumst pull last night bottom line that espn cannot break contract will honor previou deal made you risk lawsuit for breach contract basebal relax happi don sportschannel tom galvin galvint tauru np navi mil
rec.sport.hockey	west coast nhl playoff game eastern newspap editor unsympathet playoff pool don summari west coast game sinc finish late night for morn edit and greatli score summari west coast playoff game post thi group basic goal scorer and assist don bother time penalti shot etc thi make lot pool obsess peopl happi guess senat golf local paper lost interest
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flame net gretzki pick gretzki set offic move side and pass into circl sydor had move sydor puck face dot and hash mark shot pass beat vernon low and leg millen and fleuri skrudland king fail convert carson and flame fail convert dahlquist and dahl give king second fail convert king record goal post period period king open carri period fail convert second left vernon put bounc puck into stand and receiv delai game calgari even score ensu king power plai kurri puck neutral zone put puck into flame zone hit stick fleuri and bounc suter flame blue line suter skate wing and into king zone fake shot circl and skate kurri cut thorugh creas hrudei and put puck hrudei stick side for short hander king reclaim lead second power plai shuchuk circl pass sydor top slot and head for net sydor shot hit shuchuk back and drop into low slot king shuchuk and granato check flame carson corner pick loos puck and snap wrist shot leg vernon feet creas king widen lead second rychel check puck flame blue line 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across rychel fleuri trip rychel call puck shovel into corner fleuri knock rychel and check into board draw minut major and game misconduct mark king squander minut power plai granato and watter penalti flame close mark macinni point pass yawnei point stride net wound and drove shot post and glove hrudei plai start anoth faceoff that king lost timeout macinni penalti and king convert power plai seal victori sandstrom skate wing flame zone cut back net cross goal line pass puck into low slot side carson shot pass beat vernon ic stick side mark skrudland for slash and stern crazi shuchuk stern wound doubl minor for rough singl minor for cross check and minut misconduct and flame game side king for part plai disciplin hockei calgari retali king plai good team defens and excel penalti kill minu side king lost almost face thi improv flame will sure that power plai back track note king recal gui levequ brandi semchuk and jim thomson phoenix wayn gretzki period assist career playoff point 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rec.sport.hockey	murrai wing will win articl apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic write articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write predict bryan murrai hockei you figur that bryan murrai wing pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup look win pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup win great make move push team upper echelon nhl and win stanlei cup good murrai can murrai great job pick ciccarelli sheppard ysebaert how coffei and riendeau depth player give wing need top prospect thi year year wing didn even make playoff year and half demer stint that wing that due demer motav skill and clutch and grab style didn talent gerald murrai wasn respons for primeau not readi admit that horribl pick hire draft never made sens pick lapoint ron and major goal leav presid set thing worri get bore read problem paper decad decad want peopl deal problem presid bill clinton
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write that will hard time pittsburgh face final detroit sportswrit predict bryan murrai hockei not impress abil bench coach gener motiv amount talent thi team blown norri not anoth team norri even campbel confer that can hold candl detroit paper term pure talent gui not pull weight time thi year scotti bowman hand won correct wrong stanlei cup outstand coach and outcoach murrai face each bryan murrai yzerman fedorov chevelda chaisson russian strategi product previou murrai made coupl decent trade that that rank wasn primeau murrai decis gerald
rec.sport.hockey	result april articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe spiegel sgi msd lmsc lockhe mark spiegel write murki new team usa roster name and team plai for list goali forward toni amont york ranger ted druri harvard univ rob gaudreau san jose shark craig johnson univ minnesota jeff lazaro ottawa senat mike modano minnesota north star olczyk york ranger derek plant univ minnesota duluth shion podein edmonton oiler david sacco boston univers darren turcott york ranger doug weight edmonton oiler edmonton oiler decid european vacat thi spring ranford tugnutt ben manson smith buchberg and corson plai for canada podein and weight plai for kravchuk plai for russian had nag injuri late season podein interest case elig plai cape breton ahl playoff kovalev zubov and andersson sather and pocklington not total scroog make thi case massiv outclass paramount and york ranger gerald
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci wasn ron franci captain whaler trade pittsburgh mom rick tocchet captain flyer for year trade pen john santor break surfac tension wild kinet dream rush grand design philadelphia flyer john santor jsbh andrew cmu edu rush king crimson emerson lake and palmer marillion genesi gabriel
rec.sport.hockey	shark kingston fire articl apr leland stanford edu terri garfield stanford edu terri wong write that jack ferreira fire eventu led kingston fire you mention consist vision shark lost that loss ferreira never head that work you person make personnel decis top not manag committe convent wisdom leagu that ferreira made move that field product ic exactli ferreira accomplish thi head ship lot heat explain thing had ferreira ferreira made trade had trade made fewer trade not trade sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write gballent hudson uvic greg ballentin write articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write that will hard time pittsburgh face final detroit sportswrit predict bryan murrai hockei you figur that bryan murrai wing pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup look win pretti good team that contend for stanlei cup win great make move push team upper echelon nhl and win stanlei cup good murrai can maintain team success can push level jacqu demer brought wing confer final twice year back had team give percent had talent had yzerman bob probert had drink problem time and coupl decent goaltend hanlon and stefan hot that can you name player earlier team even deserv star game yzerman and probert petr klima give break face edmonton confer final hard plai clear face team that simpli had superior talent wing that not final that time norri divis weakest divis hockei and get past chicago and toronto not impress todai murrai brought score talent wing that not year ago devellano and demer coach name ysebaert kozlov and paul coffei made definit posit impact power plai murrai built talent team hockei present except pittsburgh penguin wing goal scorer that can and coupl defenseman game worth playoff experi murrai fail that unlik you mention good don wrong not found for strong coach motiv team and give percent for full minut night last time made cup run team win lose reflect and coach point origin post team outmatch oppon term talent lose case thi year wing struggl that that job build team coach fail motiv case last run wing made playoff murrai gave oppon hard time beaten easili that good coach make for lack talent thi fine never that murrai bad that isn hockei even contend for that honor murrai great you claim wing won stanlei cup onc great you claim and poor coach you claim intellig hire coach push team level success murrai averag unspectacular nhl coach and pretti good thi true gregmeist
rec.sport.hockey	ron franci matthew rush write award for back hockei great underneath hype lemieux steven jagr ulf etc ron franci quietli put togeth point season goal and assist game that acquisit penguin made sinc get lemieux apolog rick tocchet had hell year pen person time franci playoff two year ago back mario second line center franci rememb randi gilhen plai tough ac face circl skill franci score pass win face off and put into game night want glow you mean glow everytim ronni ic fact neatest thing pen person that can kei watch subtl thing plai interview recent that kid dad stress import plai two hockei that you learn plai defens offens and that advic heart breath fresh air arriv pittsburgh team forward for part couldn and wouldn plai lick defens difficult assess kei trade that brought thi success pen you mention rick tocchet and help and even kjell steadi thi team you almost line perman and replac extrem mediocr player and wouldn matter had pick top acquisit recent year tom barrasso ron franci larri murphi love put franci thing that damag pen lose barrasso mom
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april apr don cherri coach corner user allan sullivan ualber write clip shown earlier episod don proclaim doug gilmour player not nhl world player lemieux don that gilmour player not design point getter not basebal you designat hitter can score run can plai defens gilmour good two player thi clip shown local new pittsburgh last night kdka complet anim sarcasm sportscast second time cherri shown local pittsburgh new last coupl week time blast lemieux jim murawski softwar engin offic administr comput and fax inform servic jjm andrew cmu edu carnegi mellon univers offic ucc forb avenu pittsburgh mieux magnifiqu soixant six claud dai clinton clinocchio leav offic
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april articl allan swanlak allan ualberta allan sullivan write clip shown earlier episod don proclaim doug gilmour player not nhl world player lemieux don that gilmour player not design point getter not basebal you designat hitter can score run can plai defens gilmour good two player can you expect buffoon that pen draft kirk muller mario lemieux perhap onc time don cherri had insight into game hockei degener into parodi sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.hockey	nord hab rob articl apr mcgill jbe jbe musicb mcgill write aargh paul stewart worst and bias ref present nhl call total penalti hab and nordiqu nord penalti stewart nordiqu call penalti hab let nord murder rob patrick roi reason game lost and ron hextal reason quebec won come goaltend that goaltend kei etc etc kei doesn quit fit you montreal dionn penalti kind cheesi call face liter left feet throw elbow blame stewart excus avoid face fact that roi allow worst goal possibl even shot dammit stewart even thing bit call quebec penalti montreal plai solid game don clear traffic front net loss schneider will hurt even that team that blow goal lead alon two minut regul time playoff game smack upsid collect head don thi team loss kean clear zone prior quebec goal roi paid big monei plai look player industri leagu sakic shot demer start racicot game not that damn team read paper for dai two and thi articl patrick roi collaps let tie goal shaki and knee for rest night win goal shouldn didn wrap bad second goal didn scott young defend can rememb place you correct shouldn bruin lost yep moog look bad mogilni goal second left second imo neeli holi shit player speak great player man man can quebec skate haven team potent rush long time watch break zone sundin treat watch remind red armi hate team rest game didn loui win goal come powerplai penalti will cost chicago dearli detroit for calgari undisciplin marti mcsore wave gui bench avoid fight you jersei overmatch terreri heroic notwithstand mario unbeliev and jagr for reason show playoff hate that team dchhabra stpl ist piss hab fan
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rec.sport.hockey	div and conf name articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write evan pritchard write that you incorrect roger patrick smyth and adam plai coach leagu front offic type build leagu not great player punch imlach contribut coach and greater combin name divis trophi owner player contribut delet honour contribut leagu evolut honour contribut glori sport stuff delet monei issu irrelev point that agre and that player that make game great and not peopl put ic recal author origin articl that start thread claim that dislik chang name for varieti reason roger front you flame sever ground that jingoist rant you support name chang ground that current name inappropri individu repres fwiw not flame warrant you enhanc credibl you observ that real question whether you idea chang name base reason for make easier for casual fan whether you idea uniqu division name base individu deserv honour imo nice and uniqu touch that differ sport addit not that chang division name will effect number peopl that interest hockei pointless exercis current name inappropri that separ issu not central origin articl addition whether not player orr contribut glori sport organ profession leagu plai thi case honour builder leagu oppos builder sport becom chicken and egg type question chicken exactli true name divis and trophi smyth and bunch kind nepot that put stein hall fame thought that thi nonsens dunno stein comparison justifi sinc doesn unanim accept hall will hold dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	hawk leaf lastnight articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write replai joe murphi goal shouldn count game end tie thought red light review presumpt find conclus evid that puck not net replai even rear evid wasn conclus that puck opinion impress that object find conclus evid that puck cross line and replai show fairli conclus that puck not cross goal line time screw dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	thumb espn articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write nice espn show game wing and leaf sinc cub and astro rain show anoth basebal game decid stanlei cup playoff classi move espn good wing plai let not give espn credit weren late basebal game didn anoth option eric sebastian pen
rec.sport.hockey	wing game qvo msu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write detroit red wing put lot doubter ic tonight wash toronto mapl leaf you toronto fan power mighti red wing offens toronto defens match for wing offens for defens probert kennedei and primeau hit hard toronto player thrown left and not even wendel clark tough for wing tough gui wing gave goal low total for mediocr defens you leaf fan speak you team will probabl season end wing fan support quit wing fan lurk tend low kei and thought woofer suppos famili roger clinton rememb paraphras favorit star trek line adopt wai leaf fan bad leaf fan ron and major goal leav presid set thing worri get bore read problem paper decad decad want peopl deal problem presid bill clinton
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write bryan murrai yzerman fedorov chevelda chaisson russian strategi product previou murrai made coupl decent trade that that rank wasn primeau murrai decis gerald team nhl like russian player russian strategi not specif detroit devellano murrai previou trade player team notabl memori murrai craven had good year philli leav not volum trade that will necessarili improv team qualiti trade adam oat for berni federko plain stupid even federko us great player time murrai trade work significantli wing advantag that didn sour injuri player involv such troi crowder suffer back problem never recov put scotti bowman pat burn coach leagu bench thi detroit team and beat randi
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl cfoi jndv andrew cmu edu anna matya andrew cmu edu write thorn good and fan clement miss mike emrick boyfriend not hockei fan even look point and gui pretti good announc thi gui that rick tocchet charl bronson your boyfriend comment fact that clement walk for brillo pad hair replac therapi gui stuf shirt think greatest hockei analyst sinc howi meeker for gosh sake schoeni dai georg georg ferguson arpa ferguson rochest edu dept comput scienc rutger rochest ferguson univers rochest vox rochest fax
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rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl blue ci pitt edu ccohen pitt edu caleb cohen write boi rip espn hockei coverag pittsburgh thrill lang steigi for you unawar espn bought air time abc and product advertis sale comment etc and even reap made interest save badnwidth thi heat time year earli flurri retard comment come state name start and end don you don georg georg ferguson arpa ferguson rochest edu dept comput scienc rutger rochest ferguson univers rochest vox rochest fax
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain coll ann arbor applicon slb michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci luc robitail captain king season great back disc injuri kind awkward melros appoint anoint tgo captain immedi return not score goal for game luc remain captain season dvb
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl cfoi jndv andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu anna matya write skeptic game pleasantli surpris coverag impress close rang camera coverag work corner and plai lose beat get back puck thorn good and fan clement miss mike emrick boyfriend not hockei fan even look point and gui pretti good announc thi gui that rick tocchet charl bronson mom complaint for cameramen jersei pitt seri show shot not hit occass camera zoom check board puck slot pan back show rebound mom camera peopl experienc joseph stiehm
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rec.sport.hockey	shark review part defensemen final back great mark spiegel for save and send rob zettler season acquir minnesota dispers draft grade zettler gave shark bit thi year thi wasn make margin nhler that work hard for averag defens and prone costli penalti and defens laps time basic offens goal and assist game hardpress make team year david william season acquir free agent jersei grade imo william valuabl defenseman for shark plai combin good offens goal and assist game and good defens plai part thi season kansa citi good offens defens thi year appear that fluke improv end season prone posit defens and not demonstr playmak skill that made team lead scorer defensemen last year hardpress make team year jayson season acquir montreal expans draft grade tout team top defens prospect train camp had disappoint not good defens and had point game proceed improv game massiv thi season team reliabl defenseman team can count night and night plai steadi defens and provid occasion occasion offens flash offens even disappoint last year point game defens improv tremend defens part defens combin offens defenseman neil wilkinson season acquir minnesota dispers draft grade wilkinson team top defens defenseman partial injuri not thi year miss game total due nag knee and back injuri and slow even plai had save defens partner that had solid game and can complet healthi can forc sandi ozolinsh season acquir round pick entri draft grade time injuri decemb philadelphia flyer ozolinsh track imo team mvp knee injuri that game forc miss rest season game finish team top scorer defensemen point tell lack offens shark had defensemen tell ozolinsh abil time plai good defens excel offens suscept call rooki mistak defenseman made team rooki veteran can come back injuri readi star doug zmolek season acquir minnesota dispers draft grade zmolek had basic solid and durabl year two shark plai game season solid defens bill offens defenseman didn show point prone penalti and penalti minut second team that indic that fearli face tough physic oppon and plai physic becom fixtur thi leagu improv offens and defens and cut number power plai oppon calgari flame macinni for norri gari robert for hart and smyth edmonton oiler for playoff year stai edmonton nelson claudiu leland stanford edu rec sport hockei contact for san jose shark
rec.sport.hockey	ron franci articl apr virginia edu mjr virginia edu matthew rush write forgot thi highest point total franci had season had point season pen whaler franci last full season hartford agreement your previou post franci tremend and gener underr complet player love capit uniform center even pivonka good complet player gener underr franci impress wai ethic dale hunter ton heart and can attitud lot skill cheap shot and penalti minut not mention come import
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rec.sport.hockey	goali mask articl apr dal brifr dal write mask onc that had draw band aid for puck that goali stop face head can rememb even nhl quit ahl game gerri cheever us mask that had stitch paint ken dryden mask classic archetyp time
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rec.sport.hockey	schedul for game sundai apr hockei fan bonjour tout mond salt lake citi thi past sundai local abc station decid not televis hockei game directr programm est tete merd satellit dish and friend hockei invit watch game thi come sundai apr and can not find correct game time for calgari game time show mdt mdt not even game plai thi come sundai that abc muck schedul pull game and mdt dish not schedul plea emial you can telent rec sport hockei and sometim difficult link advanc merci avanc anglai francai accord roland behunin behunin oodi mil behunin oodi hill mil roland
rec.sport.hockey	wing game articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write qvo msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write detroit red wing put lot doubter ic tonight wash toronto mapl leaf you toronto fan power mighti red wing offens toronto defens match for wing offens for defens probert kennedei and primeau move probert back defens park ass front potvin night disciplin probert leaf want win seri perhap fresh clark hit ic end long probert shift and straigten for regular season intens not team forward will continu and park front oppos team net and inadequaci leaf defens thi regard didn matter playoff stori good team player becom pot plant front potvin and leaf rel unphys defens core will final expos weak inept hard work will long regular season almost point and leaf deserv credit for that playoff talent matter begin work hard gerald
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april articl yfoz wboq hyq andrew cmu edu jame murawski jjm andrew cmu edu write apr don cherri coach corner user allan sullivan ualber write clip shown earlier episod don proclaim doug gilmour player not nhl world player lemieux don that gilmour player not design point getter not basebal you designat hitter can score run can plai defens gilmour good two player thi clip shown local new pittsburgh last night kdka complet anim sarcasm sportscast second time cherri shown local pittsburgh new last coupl week time blast lemieux design point getter remark not meant for lemieux for gretzki bure etc etc and made remark last decemb lemieux diagnos hodgkin and leaf start second half roll and gilmour great season recogn peopl gerald
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl cfoi jndv andrew cmu edu anna matya andrew cmu edu write thorn good and fan clement miss mike emrick boyfriend not hockei fan even look point and gui pretti good announc thi gui that rick tocchet charl bronson imho clement pleasant person aggravatingli pleasant opinion terribl analyst almost alwai wrong prototyp exampl jersei goal last sundai grew dick irvin color besid danni gallivan knew irvin dick irvin friend mine bill clement you aren dick irvin long team involv not includ nation team york ranger john davidson bill clement dai gerald
rec.sport.hockey	pen playoff radio coverag radio station articl sfjv cmu edu lli cmu edu lori iannamico wrote thi morn post gazett pen will carri kdka radio pirat plai pirat plai game will carri wdve wdve will carri game start tonight game fact thi season kdka will longer flagship station for pen penguin and kbl struck deal and radio right game like that wdve will flagship radio station season kbl will carri game game simulcast kdka remain game earli round playoff game will subscript receiv game you pai time hook fee and monthli fee dollar deal will longer radio simulcast will broadcast team and radio broadcast team word announc will mike lang and paul steigerwald contract kdka contract expir end thi season kbl presid bill craig hire lang and steigerwald lori contact for penguin lli cmu edu nooooooooooooooooo mindschem thi ted simmon ain broke don fix mile home school year and will never pick dve can sort make mike and steigi static kdka thi reason for transfer duquesn and live home announc dve paulson and krenn kid georg
rec.sport.hockey	you pat burn leaf leaf support and leaf noth short miracl stroke geneniu hit pat burn you pat burn you live bai area not leaf coverag pull bag comment leaf detroit line match up basic idea andreychuck and borchevski busi plai wing small kei leaf success will clark centr can presenc stick length slot hell anderson anderson can dai past peopl skin put bluntli anderson asshol us good perhap perhap leaf can shut detroit second line dissappoint shepard and yserbeart fly last night gui swing player for wing last year major choke playoff and blame for quick exit wing thi happen clark anderson gilmour hustl thi line anderson nasti yserbeart clark bang hell sheppard score gilmour score suggest clark anderson gilmour sheppard yserbeart andreychuck borchevsi detroit check line toronto check line yzerman fedorov probert prai lot suggest bench andreychuck and borchevski stir thing and monkei wrench into detroit game plan detroit coach dumb plai check line finess player plai potvin can not fault goal van hellamond can not fault for leaf demis wing defens shut leaf slot hope pat burn realiz that team hit skate and coach mondai night thi not loss poor goaltend offici thi call for drastic measur tee mondai jake leaf
rec.sport.hockey	radio station articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write pittsburgh penguin game us broadcast kdka don whether will pre empt basebal and move anoth station not you can local basebal team aren plai time randi pen broadcast wdve carol
rec.sport.hockey	bowman whine guess time for annual pittsburgh penguin whine thon bowman complan cheap shot devil game bowman you great coach cheap shot noth compar come guess you notic cheap shot made gui not white amaz black and gold color glass will nice dive that high stick mario knew high stick you stai your feet and save your dive talent for stir bit ralph
rec.sport.hockey	cbc game choic cbc previou articl uwovax uwo articl boora sfu boora kit sfu godfath write cbc had great chanc for doubl header toronto detroit and vancouv winnipeg todai that east get leaf and west vancouv game thought that show total vancouv winnipeg great west coast hockei fast pace and load talent entertain except odd shift miss calgari pitt jersei pinhead cbc figur ontario care for leaf mapl leaf and noth leaf half southern ontario peopl move west good folk toronto couldn care show doublehead heck second game two canadian team and desper for new watch nation newsworld don canada end windsor don cha grrrrr amen updat min cnn headlin new for cry loud that cheaper phone call system ring adam linden score two ring bure rush ic score etc etc freenet carleton rachel holm
rec.sport.hockey	matt militzok read for wast space matt dai you post that you mail list playoff stat lost your address put that list georg
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write bryan murrai yzerman fedorov chevelda chaisson russian strategi product previou murrai made coupl decent trade that that rank team nhl like russian player russian strategi not specif detroit devellano murrai previou trade player team notabl memori murrai craven had good year philli leav not volum trade that will necessarili improv team qualiti trade adam oat for berni federko plain stupid even federko us great player time murrai trade work significantli wing advantag that didn sour injuri player involv such troi crowder suffer back problem never recov devallano earlier and extens russian strategi and wast high draft choic young russian devallano succomb demer plead make oat federko trade deal that seal fate murrai made decent trade doubt due stupid cheap team brillianc part washington cheap pai ciccarelli essenti gave and carson big anchor team and sucker rooki give paul coffei for deadweight detroit fail thi year defenseman short will wast opportun manson and unabl pull trigger judgement that yzerman doesn that year prime gerald
rec.sport.hockey	murrai wing will win articl apr venu lerc nasa gov smorri venu lerc nasa gov ron morri write gerald murrai wasn respons for primeau not readi admit that horribl pick hire draft never made sens pick lapoint don primeau necessarili bad pick locat begin murrai decis slow trade carson delai primeau develop and you wait longer for big player and primeau can good player point game player team that yzerman and fedorov primeau becom joel otto and get goal season and plai mean will extrem good pick gerald
rec.sport.hockey	panther presid articl cybernet cse fau edu jimg cybernet cse fau edu jim gorycki write bio sun sentinel torrei architect consecut stanlei cup champion persid and gener manag york island year nhl bill torrei bow ti becom signatur andr agassi hair panther will introduc uniform insignia and ticket price inform earli month meantim huizenga leav dai dai oper hand torrei and bob clark and san jose shark and ottawa senat each second will wager that shark and senat will and perhap panther second gerald
rec.sport.hockey	result april articl access digex net steveg cadkei steve gallichio write gerald olchowi golchowi alchemi chem utoronto write podein interest case elig plai cape breton ahl playoff kovalev zubov and andersson sather and pocklington not total scroog make thi case massiv outclass paramount and york ranger polici player and minor leagu playoff versu that ranger hold back kovalev zubov and andersson for binghamton that whaler want michael nyland plai for springfield nyland want plai for sweden whaler allow nhl decid and nhl chose wc thi differ ranger and oiler whaler leagu forc nyland plai springfield ultim team choic nhl prefer not annoi european hockei feder nhl cannot forc nhl team free player whaler thi not annoi farm team affili gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	thumb espn articl sclk cbnewsh att seth cbnewsh att peter clark write you leav room each time that night basebal game break back studio mention gonna show you hockei wife and hope for rain basebal game feed for tommorrow night point glad show hockei basebal anywher you can bet you watch basebal last night pete clark that wasn game schedul espn sometim show classic game previou season fill time slot joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
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rec.sport.hockey	wirtz weeni articl wfozwmi kye andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu robert angelo pleshar write new penguin announc yesterdai that will fewer broadcast game and will game sort subscript pai per view system yuck thi incorrect thi year pen had game free and game ppv year will game free and subscript basi you free game last year and will radio game good deal last year bitch baldwin break team nucleu thi team togeth and that take monei come creativ gener revenu can afford thi team and peopl bitch for noth dean dean falcion badg badg jrmst permiss don stinkin owner joe mcdonald badg
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rec.sport.hockey	you pat burn articl chb jethro corp sun jake rambler eng sun write leaf leaf support and leaf noth short miracl stroke geneniu hit pat burn you pat burn you prai for wing becom lazi and overconfid wing can lose seri toronto cannot win doug gilmour and leaf tampa bai leaf deserv lot credit for dilig effort regular season detroit put reason effort thi not contest gerald
rec.sport.hockey	you pat burn articl chb jethro corp sun jake rambler eng sun jason cockroft write suggest clark anderson gilmour sheppard yserbeart andreychuck borchevsi detroit check line toronto check line yzerman fedorov probert prai lot wing fan and thing that you oppon line combin correct you match yzerman fedorov probert line for powerplai player plai line mean that toronto check line pull tripl shift wing line thi gallant yzerman ciccarelli kozlov fedorov drake kennedi burr probert ysebaert primeau sheppard start prai lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing
rec.sport.hockey	bai area media wing leaf coverag maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write dreier apr durban berkelei edu dreier durban berkelei edu roland dreier write san francisco bai area media report tonight that detroit red wing beat toronto mapl leaf can not part media conspiraci leaf game expect win for leaf shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assist for gilmour leaf lost penalti whichev bias ref game call leaf red wing win california san francisco bai area media report that joe montana rumour lead candid replac fire san jose shark coach georg kingston appar montana not covet for win attitud plai coach will expect quarterback powerplai good comeback rog your quick wit and intellig continu amaz john franjion depart chemic engin univers colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu
rec.sport.hockey	you pat burn apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write prai for wing becom lazi and overconfid wing can lose seri toronto cannot win doug gilmour and leaf tampa bai gerald and bob probert and wing dead octopus leaf deserv lot credit for dilig effort regular season detroit put reason effort thi not contest wait for bodi cold start eulogi lost game game detroit and potvin not even that thought that leaf sweep wing six leaf will wing home advantag game cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
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rec.sport.hockey	pen playoff radio coverag radio station articl bgsu edu andi bgsu edu georg pavlic write nooooooooooooooooo mindschem thi ted simmon ain broke don fix mile home school year and will never pick dve can sort make mike and steigi static kdka thi reason for transfer duquesn and live home announc dve paulson and krenn kid georg don kid listen kevin stamber purdu univers wait hear free bird penguin theme
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rec.sport.hockey	hawk will return final articl itg uxa ecn bgu edu cubrj uxa ecn bgu edu brian johnson write that hawk won divis road easier for playoff toronto and detroit beat hell each chicago sweep loui that make easier second round rest will and tor det get for conf champ will hard time versu divis that div will pretti batter advantag hawk bring pitt and hawk will lose that and lose not brian hopefulli miracl not quit miracl close will occur and pittsburgh will elmin prior final make will cup don hawk turn blackhawk congrat jeremi roenick for hawk player post back back goal season scott
rec.sport.hockey	hawk will return final articl itg uxa ecn bgu edu cubrj uxa ecn bgu edu brian johnson write that hawk won divis road easier for playoff toronto and detroit beat hell each chicago sweep loui that make easier brian don blue plai hawk pretti thi season and won twice stadium blue will give hawk hard time thi seri round matchup hawk will prevail game joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
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rec.sport.hockey	score and stand april world championship germani group stand munich group stand dortmund canada czech republ russia finland itali germani sweden usa austria franc switzerland norwai april itali russia norwai germani sweden austria usa czech republ april canada switzerland russia austria finland franc april sweden canada czech republ germani switzerland itali finland usa april germani franc itali sweden czech republ norwai april switzerland russia usa franc austria canada norwai finland april switzerland austria germani finland april russia sweden czech republ franc canada itali usa norwai april sweden switzerland finland czech republ russia canada germani usa april austria itali franc norwai playoff april quarterfin april quarterfin april releg april semifin releg bronz medal game final staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	abc real thing that canada treat real abc telecast peopl roger surrei treat two channel don stink comment whitman plai plai godfath
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rec.sport.hockey	canada sweden world champioship articl apr venu hollandc white venu hollandc babi write todai world championship munich canada score impress victori defend world champ sweden game yesterdai olympiahal munich canada won sweden last goal for canada period you shouldn and you anoth beer game and post imaginari result holger holger ohlwein otto hahn ring muenchen tel email holger ohlwein mchp sni never put till tomorrow you can avoid togeth
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl regular season final attend report nation hockei leagu season home attend report each qtr repres home game qtr will home game neutral site game not includ number sell out team name qtr qtr qtr qtr total averag bo buf cal chi det edm har min mon nyi nyr ott phi pit que stl tor van win avg
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rec.sport.hockey	red wing goespel don forget paul ysebaert devil good team player michael mv cec wustl edu jersei devil
rec.sport.hockey	result april world championship germani group result sweden canada can geoff sanderson kevin dineen swe patrik juhlin jan larsson can geoff sanderson can mike gartner greg johnson adam grave can rod brind amour shayn corson shot goal penalti attend refere sweden min rob hearn usa canada min bill ranford stop shot lead canada victori plai game period start give canadian defenseman and rundqvist alon ranford couldn put puck slide ranford kevin dineen had great opportun soderstrom plai stefan nilsson had coupl great deke and set jan larsson ranford big period end scoreless edg sweden creat opportun second period action tommi soderstrom make great save mark recchi made backhand cross ic pass lindro eric time puck soderstrom make glove hand save minut mark canada start appli pressur swede sanderson dineen brind amour work hard and puck swede zone dineen gave puck sanderson skate screen swedish defenseman soderstrom and made wrist shot that soderstrom post canada swede pick game that and peter forsberg had shot that hit ranford post insid parallel goal line and gartner penalti and swede power plai jan larsson shot slot ranford gave rebound larsson juhlin post pass puck and ranford beat period start period swede pressur canadian danger onc close swede goal canada creat great chanc and arto blomsten forc cover puck swede goal creas sinc soderstrom lost sight that result penalti shot sinc defenseman can cover puck goal creas geoff sanderson penalti shot explain and put low soderstrom stick side close post excel penalti shot give canada ahead goal canada increas lead suspect offsid gartner vollei bounc puck past soderstrom make swede ran ga and couldn produc good score chanc had for period goal second left rod brind amour score rebound soderstrom swedish defens had mind dress room good game goali plai great soderstrom player sweden ranford even plai soderstrom that tell you ranford goali world comment game canada plai disciplin defens ranford point that easi plai good defens lindro plai lot and plai sanderson natur game hero two goal forsberg naslund bergqvist line sweden larsson juhlin nilsson swedish defens plai peter popov had task neutral eric lindro and manag thi ranger defenseman peter andersson final and that land germani hour game plai swedish coach curt lundmark irrit game partli swede inabl score and partli linesman mistak goal line inform follow below itali switzerland ita orlando penalti ita min swi min refere anton danko slovakia attend group result czech republ germani cze kamil kastak cze jiri dolez cze petr hrbek cze radek toupal cze josef beranek penalti cze min ger min min min game penalti refere darren loraa canada attend czech german and german crowd show discont throw stuff ic finland usa fin jarkko varvio usa olczyk penalti fin min usa min refere valeri bokarev russia attend hope finn can provid inform thi game didn game finn lead jarkko varvio slap shot blue line and soft goal for unscreen mike richter plai second period finn control lead warrant sweden canada goaltend tommi soderstrom bill ranford defens kenneth kennholt norm maciv fredrik stillman dave manson peter popov geoff smith peter andersson brian ben arto blomsten terri carkner roger akerstrom garri gallei derek mayer forward mikael renberg dave gagner thoma rundqvist adam grave mikael andersson mike gartner marku naslund paul kariya peter forsberg eric lindro jona bergqvist mark recchi patrik juhlin rod brind amour jan larsson shayn corson stefan nilsson kevin dineen charl berglund geoff sanderson michael nyland greg johnson andersson bergqvist brian savag kelli buchberg staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens tonight boston buffalo sabr blank boston bruin tonight boston boston can hang thi season buffalo home record awesom thi great buffalo fan reveng for last year delarocq eo ncsu edu afc east divis champion and afc confer champion squish fish mondai night footbal novemb squish trash talk fish afc championship januari you buffalo bill fan email delarocq eo ncsu edu can talk game insight etc you packer fan interest new green bai
rec.sport.hockey	abc canada plarsen sanjuan allen larsen write articl boora sfu boora kit sfu godfath write abc coverag king flame game suppos shown cbc overrid abc coverag flip abc comment commerci even question thi real abc coverag cbc black abc coverag for call simulcast canada canadian station and american station show thing whether sport event cheer thursdai night canadian signal broadcast american station even thi superbowl commerci televis dumb canadian commerci for that last year edmonton and that case treat actual abc telecast king flame game earlier don witless whitman poor comment and not for hockei oiler plai augh turn sound and listen radio broadcast decent plai plai announc bart edmonton
rec.sport.hockey	bai area media wing leaf coverag dreier apr durban berkelei edu dreier durban berkelei edu roland dreier write san francisco bai area media report tonight that detroit red wing beat toronto mapl leaf can not part media conspiraci leaf game expect win for leaf shutout for potvin hat trick for andreychuk and goal and assist for gilmour leaf lost penalti whichev bias ref game call leaf red wing win california san francisco bai area media report that joe montana rumour lead candid replac fire san jose shark coach georg kingston appar montana not covet for win attitud plai coach will expect quarterback powerplai good thing wall soft rolli cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain anna matya andrew cmu edu wrote michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci wasn ron franci captain whaler trade pittsburgh and rick tochett captain flyer trade pen recent caleb and not forget that jersei devil trade captain kirk muller for stephen richer and chorsk man hate that trade
rec.sport.hockey	wing game qvo msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write detroit red wing put lot doubter ic tonight wash toronto mapl leaf you toronto fan power mighti red wing offens toronto defens match for wing offens for defens probert kennedei and primeau move probert back defens park ass front potvin night disciplin probert leaf want win seri perhap fresh clark hit ic end long probert shift and straigten for cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl summari pars result for game plai sun april jersei pittsburgh period pittsburgh tocchet steven lemieux jersei barr guerin holik pittsburgh lemieux jagr ramsei second period pittsburgh lemieux steven murphi pittsburgh franci ramsei mullen pittsburgh tippett jagr mceachern period pittsburgh jagr samuelsson lemieux jersei steven niedermay driver jersei steven semak niedermay pittsburgh power plai scorer pt franci jagr lemieux mceachern mullen murphi ramsei samuelsson steven tippett tocchet jersei power plai scorer pt barr driver guerin holik niedermay semak steven loui chicago period chicago noonan larmer brown second period loui brown shanahan emerson chicago noonan roenick chelio chicago noonan matteau sutter loui felsner mcrae jannei period loui shanahan brown hull loui hull emerson brown loui power plai scorer pt brown emerson felsner hull jannei mcrae shanahan chicago power plai scorer pt brown chelio larmer matteau noonan roenick sutter lo angel calgari period lo angel sydor gretzki sandstrom second period calgari suter fleuri lo angel carson shuchuk sydor lo angel huddi taylor rychel lo angel mcsorlei unassist period lo angel millen granato donnelli calgari dahlquist otto calgari yawnei macinni reichel lo angel carson sandstrom robitail lo angel power plai scorer pt carson donnelli granato gretzki huddi mcsorlei millen robitail rychel sandstrom shuchuk sydor taylor calgari power plai special goal total scorer pt dahlquist fleuri macinni otto reichel suter yawnei period island ferraro flatlei vask second period score period washington hunter elynuik krygier washington hunter khristich johansson washington khristich pivonka johansson washington power plai scorer pt elynuik hunter johansson khristich krygier pivonka island power plai scorer pt ferraro flatlei vask buffalo boston period buffalo hannan unassist buffalo lafontain mogilni second period boston juneau neeli oat boston neeli oat juneau buffalo mogilni hawerchuk smehlik period buffalo mogilni unassist boston neeli juneau oat boston heinz juneau overtim buffalo sweenei khmylev smehlik buffalo power plai scorer pt hannan hawerchuk khmylev lafontain mogilni smehlik sweenei boston power plai scorer pt heinz juneau neeli oat montreal quebec period montreal dionn dipietro brunet second period montreal bellow muller desjardin period quebec rucinski lapoint sundin quebec sakic lapoint overtim quebec young ricci duchesn quebec power plai scorer pt duchesn lapoint ricci rucinski sakic sundin young montreal power plai scorer pt bellow brunet desjardin dionn dipietro muller
rec.sport.hockey	colleg hockei star roster post roster for colleg hockei star game east and west roster advanc
rec.sport.hockey	result april articl apr ericsson etxonss ufsa ericsson staffan axelsson write forgot czech roster home yesterdai don team for player you gui fill blank for player plai finland czech republ goaltend petr briza finland sign contract for landshut germani for season defens leo guda hedo muenchen germani sinc holger holger ohlwein otto hahn ring muenchen tel email holger ohlwein mchp sni never put till tomorrow you can avoid togeth
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rec.sport.hockey	shark kingston fire overheard that san jose coach georg kingston offici termin todai good new bad kinda like lack fire bill gibson gibson bill applelink appl chief technic spong applelink gibson bill appl comput inc shark
rec.sport.hockey	detroit toronto deal noth want want roger you keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ cow not vegetarian dish keith keller
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask poll articl hydra gatech edu gtd prism gatech edu hrivnak write current vote for favorit goali mask pt pt receiv pt mike vernon cal clint glenn heali nyi toi espo gill gratton thi toni esposito memori serv correctli chicago god hope will never hear end keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ cow not vegetarian dish keith keller
rec.sport.hockey	final season chl stuff final stat for chl for season central hockei leagu memori drive suit tulsa phone fax founder and presid rai miron commission mont miron market director jim goodman inform director eric kolb each team own leagu local intrest control dai dai oper work agreement and nhl affili each team each team salari cap for total player dress each team limit visa mean player american ignor thi rule you tulsa had american roster playoff team plai wichita tulsa oklahoma citi memphi fort worth and dalla futur expans plan includ houston san antonio baton roug rock paso albuquerqu tuscon and amarillo austin possibl dalla move houston and san antonio for thi fall baton roug and rock like for team fort worth fire wichita thunder arena tarrant conv cen kansa coliseum color red and black blue silver and black georg branum bill shuck coach pete mahavolich doug sheddan phone fire season tix singl tix radio announc dalla freez tulsa oiler arena fair park coliseum civic center color teal and black orang and blue tom koch jeff lund coach ron flockhart gari unger person guardian phone puck season tix rai and mont singl tix miron radio ksky ktrt announc bruce levin jeff brucculeri mark stone jeff bowen memphi river king oklahoma citi blazer arena mid south coliseum myriad state fair arena color gold and black red yellow and black jim rigg brad lund coach steve carlson mike mcewen phone puck season tix singl tix radio krec wwl announc dave woloshin john brook tom stocker brian barnhart regular season stand otl pt pim avg attdnc cap oklahoma citi blazer tulsa ic oiler dalla freez memphi riverk fort worth fire wichita thunder playoff tulsa defeat dalla game wllwwlw oklahoma citi defeat memphi game wwllww levin trophi final tulsa defeat oklahoma citi game wwlww playoff mvp toni fior tulsa special vote rai and mont miron team team dalla fort worth memphi oklahoma citi tulsa wichita dalla fort worth memphi oklahoma citi tulsa wichita power plai statist penalti killng statist ppg opp shga pct ppg save opp shg pct okla citi okla citi tulsa dalla dalla tulsa fort worth wichita wichita memphi memphi fort worth penalti record min game gross oppn pim avg minor major bench misc misc misc match pim wichita fort worth memphi dalla okla citi tulsa score period period period period overtim shootout total dalla fort worth memphi okla citi tulsa wichita star team posit team second team goaltend toni martino tulsa robert desjardin wichita tie alan perri oklahoma citi tie defensemen dave doucett dalla mike berger dalla gui girouard oklahoma citi tom karali tulsa center carl boudreau oklahoma citi joe burton oklahoma citi left wing sylvain fleuri oklahoma citi doug lawrenc tulsa wing daniel larin oklahoma citi tom mutch memphi tie sylvain naud tulsa tie regular season mvp sylvain fleuri oklahoma citi rooki year bobbi desjardin wichita lead defenseman dave doucett dalla lead goaltend toni martino tulsa score leader point team pt goal team fleuri sylvain okc fleuri sylvain okc lawrenc doug tul larin daniel okc naud sylvain tul mutch tom mem mutch tom mem thibodeau ken mem hall taylor tul naud sylvain tul thibodeau ken mem taylor jason dal anchikoski wayn dal boudreau carl okc assist team larin daniel okc lawrenc doug tul taylor jason dal fleuri sylvain okc dent ted wch naud sylvain tul sanderson mike ftw doucett dave dal gatti dave wch hall taylor tul nobili mario tul girouard gui okc cyr keith wch amario peter mem penalti minut team pim johnston scot mem aubrei ron ftw burton joe okc karali tom tul simoni steve okc johnson craig okc hornak ernest ftw neish greg wch fior toni tul batten john mem doucett dave dal taylor jason dal lead goaltend game team gpi min gaa otl save save pct martino toni tul perri alan okc zanier mike dal mindjimba antoin mem smith greg dal desjardin bobbi wch bellei roch ftw goali team gpi min gaa otl save save pct flatt brian tul krake paul okc loewen jami tul ocello matt ftw ocello matt tul total raymond eric tul hara michael ftw vasko steve mem trentadu rocco ftw trentadu rocco okc total harvei alain wch gosselin yannick wch gosselin yannick okc total caton murrai wch mcdonnel dan tul sauer tul clark joel wch wachter steve wch marc dee foster contact for chl
rec.sport.hockey	info unit state coverag sundai april pittsburgh edt eastern time zone abc gari thorn and bill clement loui chicago cdt and mdt central mountain zone abc mike emerick and jim schoenfeld lo angel calgari pdt and adt pacif alaskan zone abc michael and john davidson tuesdai april pittsburgh edt nationwid espn gari thorn and bill clement thursdai april and saturdai april announc edt nationwid espn announc canadian coverag sundai april buffalo boston edt nationwid tsn tuesdai april pittsburgh edt nationwid tsn wednesdai april loui chicago edt nationwid tsn
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit watch detroit minnesota game last night and thought octopu ic ysebaert score tie game two custom throw octopus ic detroit not respons dain bramag harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm cuni edu hzazula alehous acc edu
rec.sport.hockey	flyer thi year biggest and worst opinion articl apr cbnewsh att seth cbnewsh att peter clark write word roussel shut shark and soderstrom shut penguin that immateri coach decis come joe you plai signific plai irrelev low gaa good team low gaa bad team context compar two goaltend low gaa higher gaa low gaa good team higher gaa bad team context compar two goaltend start not argu goaltend soderstrom that roussel can netmind gaa differ half goal per game that last night save percentag close and record similar and that don you can label roussel disappoint player flyer thi season you soderstrom plai competit that know roussel perform game score team pittsburgh defens kei san jose for roussel ranger game two real score chanc made great plai save mistak player you judg roussel that game alon you not judg roussel that game alon plai for past two season philli and that hershei opinion take thought that mark laforest never wendel young bat judg hershei talent sinc hextal era for ranger game you can save mistak offens player you rou had leg posit make save didn wouldn matter ranger player didn puck not goal breakawai that goali and forc shooter beat you tie hab you goali stand head that shutout that goali action roussel doesn game that rememb roussel excel job pittsurgh open night give flyer tie two time defend champ and not soderstrom senat that game again hab you can that montreal player had open net shoot point that game and flat miss mistak offens and defens part game never shutout happi flyer soderstrom and roussel and not argu anymor current game win streak and expect soar for year don want piss you point that you don sell ticket season joe dake microelectron union boulevard allentown flyer alux jmd jmd aluxpo att
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask tom barrasso wore great mask time last season unveil game boston black pgh citi scene golden triangl pgh downtown area river meet grace top steel mill side and civic arena back helmet pen logo fat penguin blue scarf current time pen logo and space for current logo tommi had design mask and mother artist paint for wear mask pen thump bruin game tommi back paint job great mask goali superstit lori
rec.sport.hockey	pen info need articl apr jyu mikkot romulu math jyu mikko tarkiainen write coach new alpo suhonen jet jokerit verifi bori majorov jokerit tappara vasili tichonov assat san jose shark assist coach sakari pietila lulea silver team elit serien wow that reason current assist coach drew ramenda hint that won back for new mikko can you finnish netter comment tichonov calgari flame macinni for norri gari robert for hart and smyth edmonton oiler for playoff year stai edmonton nelson claudiu leland stanford edu rec sport hockei contact for san jose shark
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit articl dlmqc cunyvm bitnet harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm bitnet write watch detroit minnesota game last night and thought octopu ic ysebaert score tie game two squid tradit aliv kinda fish unh game custom throw octopus ic detroit not respons dain bramag harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm cuni edu hzazula alehous acc edu
rec.sport.hockey	schedul for week articl apr yuma acn colost edu mmb lamar colost edu michael burger write unit state schedul april devil island pittsburgh est abc eastern time zone april loui chicago cdt abc cent mou time zone april lo angel calgari pdt abc pacif time zone april devil island pittsburgh espn april tba espn april tba espn supplement basic mike info for sunddai open abc announc crew devil isl pittsburgh gari thorn plai plai bill clement color and morganti roam hall dress room thi telecast will primarili east coast loui chicago mike emrick plai plai jim schoendfeld color and tom mee roam hall thi telecast will primarili midwest and part south calgari you mircal michael plai plai john davidson color and mark jone roam report thi telecast will western usa montreal naitiv jon saunder will host studio abc will and close and person mario saturdai wide world sport edt sundai will nhl playoff regular network telecast year not count silli star game nbc for last year for sundai game abc will us mike goal super super slo close up player face face off espn abc will not us favorit toi ic level shot pittsburgh seat remov emploi case blowout progress pittsburgh abc will switch chicago game will come back pittsburgh game for updat game get closer abc expect huge rate hockei standard sinc top market involv metro area island devil chicago blackhawk and king stai tune mike ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	rumour keenan sign ranger upi clarinet relai scoop toronto sun that star star that iron mike keenan come agreement york ranger for season interestingli thi come dai time sport had editori ranger pat rilei care happen season gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat articl apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic write articl blue ci pitt edu jrmst pitt edu joseph mcdonald write jagr higher franci had point and inform observ ronni franci had season jaromir jagr thi not jaro had decent year didn live expect bowman tend overplai franci time bowman style player plai hard time doesn disregard defens respons and good leader bowman reward increas ic time jagr can arrog and juvenil and displai attitud thi rub bowman wrong and caus lose ic time year franci consist reciev ic time jagr althouhg never stat thi subject pretti that jagr had point per minut plai that franci you add that jagr rate becom evid that jagr had season not that franci had bad becom evid that you determin flaunt your ignor cost jagr not season franci suggest insult modicum hockei knowledg save your almost maniac devot almighti minu mislead hockei stat nhl publish quantifi statist includ ic time per game and measur qualiti player put kei situat protect lead late game match team top two line short hand etc disappear altogeth dubiou merit trumpet understand implic brad brad gibson internet gibson geop ubc dept geophys astronomi main mall phone univers british columbia fax vancouv british columbia canada
rec.sport.hockey	hockei and hispan commun articl saross starbas spd louisvil edu saross starbas spd louisvil edu stacei ross write odin corp sgi rickc wriglei corp sgi richard casar write you hard time sell sport commun that can plai account avail financi reason hockei pretti sport for white and white not hockei season ticket owner lowest averag incom major north american sport you basi for thi claim stat playboi magazin june percentag pro footbal fan attend colleg percentag pro basebal fan attend colleg percentag pro basketbal fan attend colleg percentag pro hockei fan attend colleg percentag pro footbal fan earn percentag pro basebal fan make percentag pro basketbal fan make percentag pro hackei fan make and major hockei player come farm boondock saskatchewan weedvil alberta biggest advantag that kid boondock weedvil avail ic san jose area popul and that popul serv ic arena contrast kamloop british columbia popul and rink myriad pond pool etc that freez winter hard find kid bicycl hard find kid pair skate and you california that born and rais trail british columbia town lot ic winter father radio plai plai for local team trail smokeat last canadian team win world championship back skate almost walk and plai recreat hockei for year last time you hockei leagu citi insur alon big barrier citi isn place that poor biggest barrier hockei citi ic plai lack ic big factor cost bigger factor kid plai for santa clara vallei hockei associ and thi season end cost per kid for membership hockei usa per kid for club due hockei usa fee cover excess medic insur and club due cover ic time offici trophi etc area similar fee citi govern subsidis cost stockton ic arena locat call citi area eastridg and vallco except redwood citi rink industri area bai berkelei ashbi and martin luther king stockton oak park sacramento older section downtown forget name street fresno edg town west santa rosa nice rink older section town dublin town rink and expens run huge electr bill and insur premium you want bui ic time expect pai per hour rink give you minut hour for your monei give you minut hour and includ resurfac time fee alan hepburn man doesn nation semiconductor doesn santa clara alan berlioz nsc thoma carlyl
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit david
rec.sport.hockey	rumour keenan sign ranger articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write upi clarinet relai scoop toronto sun that star star that iron mike keenan come agreement york ranger for season interestingli thi come dai time sport had editori ranger pat rilei care happen season rumour basic toronto base report that keenan told san jose and philadelphia that longer interest pursu negoti team ranger announc suppos happen tomorrow supposedli ranger veteran that had coach weight and proven record and messier respect gerald
rec.sport.hockey	blackhawk win hawk win jermei roenick score goal and hawk put leaf place loser column leaf can not even beat hawk match that had mean will hate wing btw laugh that jerki hawk
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm bitnet write watch detroit minnesota game last night and thought octopu ic ysebaert score tie game two custom throw octopus ic detroit long stand good luck redw tradit throw octopu ic stanlei cup game date back olympia wing team sweep cup game lot hardet throw joe loui seat olympia balconi funniest tiger fan threw field detroit toronto basebal game live california and folk watch had never heard hockei and incredul recogn octopu camera closeup
rec.sport.hockey	blackhawk win apr vax cn edu jbrown vax cn muskingum edu write hawk win jermei roenick score goal and hawk put leaf place loser column leaf can not even beat hawk match that had mean will hate wing btw laugh that jerki you not refer maynard initi you norri final ron and major goal leav presid set thing worri get bore read problem paper decad decad want peopl deal problem presid bill clinton
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat articl qmtd innr iskut uc ubc gibson nukta geop ubc brad gibson write articl apr sol uvic gballent hudson uvic write articl blue ci pitt edu jrmst pitt edu joseph mcdonald write jagr higher franci had point and inform observ ronni franci had season jaromir jagr thi not jaro had decent year didn live expect bowman tend overplai franci time bowman style player plai hard time doesn disregard defens respons and good leader bowman reward increas ic time jagr can arrog and juvenil and displai attitud thi rub bowman wrong and caus lose ic time year franci consist reciev ic time jagr althouhg never stat thi subject pretti that jagr had point per minut plai that franci you add that jagr rate becom evid that jagr had season not that franci had bad becom evid that you determin flaunt your ignor cost jagr not season franci suggest insult modicum hockei knowledg save your almost maniac devot almighti minu mislead hockei stat nhl publish quantifi statist includ ic time per game and measur qualiti player put kei situat protect lead late game match team top two line short hand etc disappear altogeth dubiou merit trumpet understand implic you for post thi person brought fact that jagr higher franci can assur you that brought exampl absurd comparison even team never thought that argu that jagr higher reflect two plai opinion franci low pure result ask plai oppon top scorer time fact that can chip point neutral team top center testament valuabl even suffer hand jagr for big fast and skill can even point matter inflat don wrong jagr lazi floater turn exactli time overtim playoff game roland dreier dreier math berkelei edu
rec.sport.hockey	presid trophi winner miss playoff jstrangi hora sea upenn edu jim strangio write articl apr mcgill ccdb musica mcgill ccdb write last time presid trophi winner fell last place year long time bet montreal canadian finish presid cup dai and miss playoff recal that playoff pictur wasn decid final dai ranger defeat redw tie breaker number goal for rememb correctli ranger plai empti net for entir game hab loyalist accus wing throw game recal gordi and delvecchio had flu coach sid abel sat and ranger swarm redw night
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit faq fun gak richard stueven aha erect multitud internet gak wr offic and hither swarm attmail attmail gakhau gak sharx offic harass peopl cow palac and eat substanc
rec.sport.hockey	keenan sign ranger heard new that mike keenan blackhawk flyer and gener siberian prison sign coach ranger ranger won presid cup last year slip bit end season and destin finish last lowli flyer flyer fan disappoint keenan decis interest cap connin
rec.sport.hockey	ahl final stand final american hockei leagu stand northern divis pt lyf provid bruin adirondack red wing capit district isl springfield indian haven senat southern divis pt lyf binghamton ranger rochest american utica devil baltimor skipjack hershei bear hamilton canuck atlant divis pt lyf john mapl leaf fredericton canadien cape breton oiler moncton hawk halifax citadel last year point total leagu record total bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	devil and island tiebreak island beat devil tonight finish ident record lucki team that get face penguin open round can list rule for break ti
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team milwauke read report nhl move milwauke that milwauke nhl team thought pass stori heard recent thi second hand don true reason doubt bradlei center milwauke home milwauke admir minor leaug hockei team owner admir can rememb name own shell major fund build bradlei center supposedli approach nhl expans franchis turn thought franchis fee million high don whether thi stori true rumor true don for nhl team milwauke anytim admir aren forc build and you won nhl club and minor leagu club build sinc nba milwauke buck plai charli betz crai research inc chippewa fall cbetz romulu crai
rec.sport.hockey	beat pittsburgh articl apr guvax acc georgetown edu apanjabi guvax acc georgetown edu write beat pittsburgh iii kevin steven fight call bob probert call tie domi call grandmoth kick ass yeah you grand mother bet joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	rumour keenan sign ranger golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write ranger announc suppos happen tomorrow supposedli press confer ranger veteran that had coach weight and proven record and messier respect interestingli keenan coach number team canada world championship roger neilsen interest ranger call balanc neilsen contract keenan assist roger good job mediocr player handl cinderella canuck year ago mistak plai ranger canuck last gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	patrick playoff thi jan brittenson write last year pen weak spot defens and goaltend boston boston doesn gun pen pen doesn defens goaltend and disciplin boston boston can you thi pen and bruin plai number game and number goal ti for and fourth defens leagu chicago and toronto second pen weak spot defens comparison offens second leagu detroit pen weaker defens and goaltend bruin that strong terri
rec.sport.hockey	finland sweden nhl team helsinki stockholm nhl expans finland jyrki lumm teppo numminen peter ahola don defend lumm and numminen jari kurri christian ruuttu you that ruuttu worth teemu selann compar kurri selann point high let make canada cup and world championship larg due effort marku ketter goali player list and luck lot decent player finland that wouldn superstar highest level valuabl role player guess that finnish canada cup team team nhl wow you don player gui nieminen jutila riihijarvi varvio laukkanen makela keskinen and even ag ruotsalainen main differ finnish and north american player that player tend larger rink canadian defend slower that defend europ and that success ketter and luck help that main reason that team work togeth howl howl gargl howl gargl howl howl howl gargl howl gargl howl howl gargl gargl howl gargl gargl gargl howl slurrp uuuurgh prostetn vogon jeltz marko poutiainen mep phoenix oulu
rec.sport.hockey	devil and island tiebreak hockei guru espn island win tonit two team will record devil will plai penguin thi island won season seri devil rule for decid tie breaker includ season seri goal goal for thi order correct wrong add craig island
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit jaracz plymouth edu write articl dlmqc cunyvm bitnet harold zazula dlmqc cunyvm bitnet write watch detroit minnesota game last night and thought octopu ic ysebaert score tie game two squid tradit aliv kinda fish unh game understand octapu appar number year ago fan threw octapu ic and announc octapi will not occupi ic that and happen sinc fan cheer pick dead octapu hand and boo us shovel matt uva
rec.sport.hockey	devil and island tiebreak articl ldi odin corp sgi enolan sharkbit esd sgi nolan write island beat devil tonight finish ident record lucki team that get face penguin open round can list rule for break ti not tie breaker rule island win god win island win seri and advanc ask interject opinion mater concern island mean come jet bad jet for
rec.sport.hockey	minu stat articl qmtd innr iskut uc ubc gibson nukta geop ubc brad gibson write respons debat season jagr franci jagr had point per minut ic time stat don exist properli analyz thi and had substanci becom evid that you determin flaunt your ignor cost jagr not season franci suggest insult modicum hockei knowledg save your almost maniac devot almighti minu mislead hockei stat nhl publish quantifi statist includ ic time per game and measur qualiti player put kei situat protect lead late game match team top two line short hand etc disappear altogeth dubiou merit trumpet understand implic statist player ic team score lot goal and goal compar teammat plai for team and roughli similar rate equal good player can adjust vari degre success compar player team agre nice for nhl statist that you suggest total ic time miss stat jagr franci argument measur qualiti ic time you suggest useless stat for evalu coach player qualiti ic time talent good player low amount qualiti ic time team depth stupid coach doesn recogn talent and bad player lot qualiti ic time lack team depth stupid coach that think effect player thi stat flaw and almost conclus drawn player talent stat quit evalu player talent you displai ignor your unwilling that ic goal score not allow posit thing and evalu such gregmeist
rec.sport.hockey	result april articl apr ericsson etxonss ufsa ericsson staffan axelsson write world championship germani game shown
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag gerald olchowi write clement pleasant person aggravatingli pleasant opinion terribl analyst almost alwai wrong prototyp exampl jersei goal last sundai grew dick irvin color besid danni gallivan knew irvin dick irvin friend mine bill clement you aren dick irvin long team involv not includ nation team york ranger john davidson bill clement dai person mean that exactli clement and emrick hand pompou bull head arrog real turn exactli complaint clement that sometim talk want that listen tim mcgarver basebal game mom
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rec.sport.hockey	wirtz weeni dean new penguin announc yesterdai that will fewer broadcast game and will game sort subscript pai per view system yuck thi incorrect thi year pen had game free and game ppv year will game free and subscript basi you free game last year and will radio game you home and read paper full detail that for make post base wduq new sport relat item wrong ralph
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri person rare even don cherri and doesn don whether thi area pittsburgh usa that depriv broadcast whether canadian thing altogeth coach time and volum post sure get steadi diet question deal secondli comment that read net flame bait peopl gotta you sound ass miss
rec.sport.hockey	div ncaa team great hear that umass bring back hockei remind that coupl year ago talk that bimidgi and mankato state upgrad program div statu rememb that had troubl ncaa rule allow compet div level that resolv wonder colleg hockei east colorado alaska except popular hockei west coast expect interest build collegi level heard jame mail jold vma edu
rec.sport.hockey	sad dai for hockei mom write fear that decad profession sport team left pittsburgh will steeler perish thought you you major leagu profession sport team big monei game previou time that move back home year that ahl team sigh interest thing that nhl expand time dramat increas amount monei need oper team thi that big shake occur year player salari can brought control frankli don nhl current drive for expans support current oper condit revenu share and salari cap don come into nhl steve
rec.sport.hockey	stat for hockei pool keeper stat for famili hockei pool and for daili weekli email server for playoff stat connect server militzok skidmor edu and wilson ucf edu sort two email site doesn thi group rick rick emma panam wimsei rick emma tfbb wimsei
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain quot cire trehguad cyt michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci cyt cyt wasn ron franci captain whaler trade cyt pittsburgh cyt and rick tochett captain flyer trade pen cyt recent cyt caleb cyt and not forget that jersei devil trade cyt captain kirk muller for stephen richer and chorsk cyt man hate that trade for team captain trade year nhl edmonton oiler trade captain ron chiperfield quebec nordiqu trade deadlin for goaltend ron low second year exist edmonton oiler trade deadlin trade captain thi time mcdonald vancouv canuck right winger ken berri for garri larivier and right lar gunner petterson for captain trivia edmonton captain lee fogilin trade buffalo sabr wayn gretzki trade kevin low thi year trade ranger that captain edmonton oiler had trade present captain craig mctavish and wait and talk you steve answer short correct dumb free blue wave qwk
rec.sport.hockey	goodby good riddanc lost star articl sm busi uwo lawren sm busi uwo stephen lawrenc write goodby minnesota you never earn nhl franchis place whatta weird town whatta ass skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	nhlpa poll partial stat result peopl send poll closer njd deep team two capabl goali and excel forward and defensemen shooter richer todd chef stasni master thousand dish power plai captain steven number plai and for
rec.sport.hockey	detroit playoff tradit back earli year win garner stanlei cup soooooo coupl local fish monger local joe loui arena that start tradit throw octopi ic win each victori leg sever octopu found ic dead brilliant market strategi shore demand for popular product hope thi help lang
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rec.sport.hockey	pen info need articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write articl apr jyu mikkot romulu math jyu mikko tarkiainen write coach new vasili tichonov assat san jose shark wow that reason current assist coach drew ramenda hint that won back for new mikko can you finnish netter comment tichonov time heard thi piec new post game radio interview jyvaskyla that bronz medal game liiga tichonov team porin assat ac town pori lost vasili son victor tichonov famou soviet coach that for long time shark persuad assist coach post head coach won coach assat anymor season don vasili good coach assat good team produc player nation team assat wasn skill team imho had fight spirit butcher jokerit playoff and gave hard time tp champ assat wasn consist mood beat team liiga not deal shark head coach and shark negoti and decid doubt that will head coach compromis post inform vasili coach soviet leagu team result charact coach
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rec.sport.hockey	goodby good riddanc lost star articl sm busi uwo lawren sm busi uwo stephen lawrenc goodby minnesota you never earn nhl franchis place hope you enjoi your twin citi wide mania for high school hockei hei pee wee team reunion regina care come and film event yee haa golden gopher whatta weird town minnesota deserv nhl franchis you minnesota whaler pretti fear not minnesota fan norm green cept for team color bad pun differ two year make minnesota finish and made final finish record thi year and move dalla team playoff win record final time nhl robbi pgh penguin won easi contact for stanlei cup will greater reward penn state ladi lion champion mountain and vallei rap psuvm psu edu straight win noth
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rec.sport.hockey	score and stand april world championship germani group stand munich group stand dortmund sweden germani itali czech republ russia usa canada finland switzerland franc austria norwai april itali russia norwai germani sweden austria usa czech republ april canada switzerland russia austria finland franc april sweden canada czech republ germani switzerland itali finland usa april germani franc itali sweden czech republ norwai april switzerland russia usa franc austria canada norwai finland april switzerland austria germani finland april russia sweden czech republ franc canada itali usa norwai april sweden switzerland finland czech republ russia canada germani usa april austria itali franc norwai playoff april quarterfin april quarterfin april releg april semifin releg bronz medal game final staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write articl mfpirbo wbli ispc andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu write person rare even don cherri and doesn don whether thi area pittsburgh usa that depriv broadcast whether canadian thing altogeth coach time and volum post sure get steadi diet question deal secondli comment that read net flame bait peopl gotta you sound ass miss for you complain don cherri and popular repli dick vital and john madden and bobbi knight and joe garagiola and howard cosel john madden pick gari clark redskin for madden team lot receiv for reason cherri sing prais doug gilmour gui heart doesn string american post that john madden lost marbl dick vital promot thi kid thi high school that colleg outrag statement american expect that canada not such charact relat greatest passion hockei canadian similar american cultur sport hockei and curl american footbal basketbal basebal and bowl gerald add that canadian hockei fan don kind hockei hockei promot appear kind that us plai team nhl kind nostagia for dai expans soviet seri gretzki and even bobbi orr gui weren afraid hit float and defensemen plai defenc care that that never exist myth canada and european fluenc game diminish peopl ey person add flame love fast pace european game and don cherri bit idiot that miss live state entertain even you end throw your popcorn screen stand misstat that made vice presid dan quayl sam donaldson nick duncan duncan mprgate mpr
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rec.sport.hockey	you pat burn mark whitten nfet cmuvm csv cmich edu write pat burn throw towel wing domin aspect game mix line dead end ranger found last year playoff late line juggl thi point gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl draft san jose will kariya that kind funni kariya campu shark hat pat elli bruin umain black bear number hockei east regular season champion hockei east tournament champion paul kariya hobei baker award winner ncaa div hockei tournament champion ggggooooooo bbbllluueeee
rec.sport.hockey	german audienc lunat articl apr ousrvr oulu golf phoenix oulu jouko kylmaoja wrote watch game germani czech todai and astonish behaviour german audienc german team penalti last period and crowd grazi threw coin extra puck and trash into rink that stupid guess canadian refere isostar bro gave german team penalti for that didn guess german proud nazi kill german suck attitud that kind attitud sport rememb european champ stockholm soccer piss not mean that singl german thi attitud that suck can understand your anger german audienc mean finnish team plai and take advantag ridicul penalti canadien ref call last period german match penalti and minut misconduct for practic noth and second that german goali two minut for delai game for shot that deflect and into crowd result skate advantag lead decid goal point german start come strong sick nation that german sport event you watch for exampl tenni davi cup match player not plai for minut crowd obnoxi admit that thi kind nation strong even stronger countri you and watch present olymp televis soccer crowd england finnish spectat nordic ski event mean make sick thi nation world and team player win and chear not mind favorit team loos that plai attract and admit that sport german nation site not favorit team watch german soccer team bore watch for exampl read post that you level crowd you critic easi talk german nazi and nationalist that kind propaganda that ultraconserv peopl us germani true that great danger aris nation germani experi peopl peopl that regard thi big threat and demonstr thi attitud can peopl human bee and not put into drawer nation russian communist american capitalist german nazi fin hang bee drunk ferri opinion your comment show narrow your mind and that you don nazi you talk thoma time hate bare time wait jerri garcia robert hunter
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rec.sport.hockey	flyer eric articl apr btree terri btree terri whalen write path netnew upenn edu newsserv jvnc net howland reston an net usc new ervic uci edu network ucsd edu btree terri terri btree terri whalen newsgroup rec sport hockei subject flyer eric messag apr btree date apr gmt refer apr lehigh edu organ brooktre corpor line articl apr lehigh edu ksc lehigh edu kevin carragh write philadelphia inquir post stat lindro goal averag goal score averag lindro goal averag goal score averag differ obviou domin player skip will becom major franchis player and bring flyer cup year will name lindro captain year recchi geoff
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rec.sport.hockey	selfish hockei fan tuesdai rain chicago espn provid bonu hockei coverag fan tick that wash replac angel game peopl realiz that basebal fan hockei fan basebal game schedul air and advertis monei paid can skip basebal game don you peopl chill and enjoi coverag you can geoff filinuk
rec.sport.hockey	hab late quebec domin hab for period and roi thi rout blow goal canadian show nord plai dump pull back time hextal made good save thi lost period nord score had anoth canadian dead meat thi tee jacqu time you rest player forget place adam divis denni
rec.sport.hockey	upcom schedul articl qve hsdndev harvard edu nhma gauss med harvard edu mark shneyder write hei guess come espn for chang playoff doesn involv pen not that wrong that espn game thursdai game pen devil gari thorn and bill clement saturdai game cap isl tom mee and john davidson abc game sundai game pen devil gari thorn and bill clement you eastern time zone pacif will king calgari espn name broadcast team tuesdai pair tom mee plai plai john davidson analyst ppv mark nanci spera imt divis didn for fact that chevron petroleum technolog elvi work donut shop box habra beaver fall swear tel nj chevron drive thi truck scotti baldwin
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rec.sport.hockey	red wing goespel unb patrick walker write detroit beat toronto grant gilmour hart trophi not lemieux gilmour for toronto you toronto come mind gilmour andreychuk potvin mentio gilmour you nhl come mind gilmour gretzki mario mention mario you gretzki you haven you you gilmour you true maynard don even select hart deserv discuss thi group brainer dvb
rec.sport.hockey	nhl team captain articl uupcb freddi ersi edmonton steven kipl freddi ersi edmonton steven kipl write quot cire trehguad cyt michael collingridg write and subject captain trade resign stripe titl season team captain trivia appreci kelli kisio captain ranger left for san jose ali ali procrastin lemer not real green conjunct junction columbia univers nyc dress that cruel your function phoenix ctr columbia edu barenak ladi schoolhous rock kind anim hug hockei player
rec.sport.hockey	hab late articl apr mcgill ccdb ccdb musica mcgill write quebec domin hab for period and roi thi rout blow goal canadian show nord plai dump pull back time you notic that team will charg domin defenceman nice bad schneider hurt remind chri chelio sometim speak chelio serg savard feel moron for make that trade had corson rob ramag ic gatorad bottl bench vincent damphouss decid vacat appar idea demer plai deni savard check line carbonneau savard skate and danger canadien quebec zone puck bad front time you notic that defens zone not singl nordiqu get knock disgust lebeau get past centr ic wolaninn repli team yell for penalti dammit deni savard threw montreal hit night knock sundin balanc deni savard your team enforc big troubl someplac hextal made good save thi lost period nord score had anoth that second goal roi stand head period provid forward hab won period imo and guess final smack coupl time second intermiss remind that game had start hopefulli plai that home roi made save ignor that second goal team dchhabra stpl ist grant fuhr doubter buffalo boston nuff and dale hunter playoff choker rethink that posit
rec.sport.hockey	bruin come boston hell you win row and choke bruin wale confer final pitt buffalo quebec interest not that buffalo quebec can put good fight enjoi past bruin devil you feel for terrerri devil will pull pen will lose second round not hope bruin meet
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write articl apr ncsu edu delarocq eo ncsu edu derrel emeri larocqu write tonight boston buffalo sabr blank boston bruin tonight boston boston can hang thi season buffalo home record awesom thi great buffalo fan reveng for last year glad grant fuhr will never confid two win you take win defeat oppon each tougher obtain previou buffalo good start fuhr prove fuhr basher wrong boston good team gerald awesom home record not you rememb game last year aud playoff game sinc stuck buffalo boston isn give easi bungl
rec.sport.hockey	whl playoff result mondai april kamloop spokan kamloop win western final matchup kamloop portland tuesdai april game wednesdai april game thursdai april game schedul fridai april regina swift current seri kamloop portland seri saturdai april kamloop portland seri sundai april swift current regina seri whl playoff score leader april player pt jami black tacoma andi schneider swift current valeri bure spokan allan egeland tacoma dean mcammond swift current jason krywulak swift current cam danyluk medicin hat todd holt swift current tyler wright swift current mike mather kamloop jeff friesen regina rick girard swift current whl playoff lead goaltend april minimum minut player gaa scott langkow portland milan hnilicka swift current trevor robin brandon steve passmor kamloop mark dawkin red deer randi coulman ari laboratori research assist depart comput scienc univers saskatchewan coulman usask saskatoon
rec.sport.hockey	final regular season individu goali stat volunt verifi shot goal and save percentag number for can put stat archiv site contact mail you want volunt individu goali stat wed apr cst stat includ game and includ sundai previou date list verifi print newspap tuesdai don print shot and save percentag number not verifi stat mail weekdai and sometim weekend town and can late game result send note you receiv stat mail you question comment suggest randi minut plai goal shutout gaa goal averag win loss ti sog shot goal save percentag gaa sog player byron dafo har corri alessio mtl frederick chabot bo mike bale tor felix potvin chi belfour bo john blue chi jim wait pit tom barrasso stl curti joseph van kai whitmor buf dominik hasek bo andi moog cal jeff rees mtl patrick roi har mike lenarduzzi det vincent riendeau tor daren puppa det tim chevelda cal mike vernon nyi glenn heali buf grant fuhr nyr john vanbiesbrouck don beaupr min jon casei van kirk mclean chri terreri mtl andr racicot que stephan fiset phi tommi soderstrom pit ken wregget bo reggi lemelin que ron hextal nyi mark fitzpatrick win bob essensa win jim hrivnak min darci wakaluk wendel young bergeron craig billington stl gui hebert rick tabaracci buf tom draper nyr corei hirsch phi domin roussel nyr mike richter nyi danni lorenz edm bill ranford robb stauber kelli hrudei que jacqu cloutier har mario gosselin rick knickl pat jablonski artur irb har sean burk edm ron tugnutt ott daniel berthiaum phi stephan beauregard ott peter sidorkiewicz cal andrei trefilov har frank pietrangelo win mike neill wade flaherti jeff hackett brian hayward tor rick wamslei olaf kolzig ott darrin madelei ott steve week david goverd david littman randi coulman ari laboratori research assist depart comput scienc univers saskatchewan coulman usask saskatoon
rec.sport.hockey	final regular season team goali stat volunt verifi shot goal and save percentag number for can put stat archiv site contact mail you want volunt team goali stat wed apr cst stat includ game and includ sundai previou date list verifi print newspap tuesdai don print shot and save percentag number not verifi you question comment suggest randi minut plai goal shutout gaa goal averag win loss ti sog shot goal save percentag gaa sog player chi belfour chi jim wait chi tor daren puppa tor felix potvin tor grant fuhr tor rick wamslei tor bo mike bale bo john blue bo andi moog bo reggi lemelin bo pit tom barrasso pit ken wregget pit stl curti joseph stl gui hebert stl van kai whitmor van kirk mclean van det vincent riendeau det tim chevelda det mtl frederick chabot mtl patrick roi mtl andr racicot mtl cal jeff rees cal mike vernon cal andrei trefilov cal byron dafo rick tabaracci don beaupr jim hrivnak olaf kolzig min jon casei min darci wakaluk min buf dominik hasek buf grant fuhr buf daren puppa buf tom draper buf nyi glenn heali nyi mark fitzpatrick nyi danni lorenz nyi que stephan fiset que ron hextal que jacqu cloutier que chri terreri craig billington nyr john vanbiesbrouck nyr corei hirsch nyr mike richter nyr phi tommi soderstrom phi domin roussel phi stephan beauregard phi win bob essensa win jim hrivnak win rick tabaracci win mike neill win wendel young bergeron pat jablonski david littman edm bill ranford edm ron tugnutt edm robb stauber kelli hrudei rick knickl david goverd har corri alessio har mike lenarduzzi har mario gosselin har sean burk har frank pietrangelo har ott daniel berthiaum ott peter sidorkiewicz ott darrin madelei ott steve week ott artur irb wade flaherti jeff hackett brian hayward randi coulman ari laboratori research assist depart comput scienc univers saskatchewan coulman usask saskatoon
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri lmarsha cm wayn edu lauri marshal write don nicknam grape not don us coach boston bruin don exactli that fill thi info that name grape coach for bruin minor us chew grape get dehydr game dog blue name like labatt beer that
rec.sport.hockey	grant fuhr lead sabr apr newshub ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write buffalo seri boston and reason grant fuhr fuhr playoff hungri and prove onc call monei goaltend fuhr not goaltend leagu anymor statist prove that can make big save time leaf fuhr and had chanc powerhous detroit andreychok game applaud sabr for make deal fuhr specif thought win playoff seri don leaf can fault noth that felix won win playoff seri year come agre joseph felix potvin great goali thought that leaf protect goali come expans draft rid good goali and good forward return
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rec.sport.hockey	articl bigboot wpi edu ching bigwpi wpi edu logistician write player wear nhl rai borqu for bruin greatli appreci pierr turgeon form sabr and isl wear buffalo tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo articl afpiknm wbli isj andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu you never appreci bob errei ring sparkl that locker room and correct wrong net not mail don mail wasn boston buffalo last year boston lost and home and won and buffalo win game will advanc simpl that robbi pgh penguin come natur patrick divis semi time record you wait for penguin devil season win streak possibl don you penguin lead playoff win streak strong resembl
rec.sport.hockey	pwter forsberg can give stat forsrg world championship sao mail freenet victoria tom moffat victoria canada
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game carol pen
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo sabr articl msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write buffalo fan red wing fan amaz sabr beat bruin reason for thi grant fuhr mogilni and lafontain hear you sinc not sabr two word grant fuhr tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info that clint malarchuk that danger accid di ic plai sinc don plai not posit sabr time don skate into thi happen hockei game rememb coupl season malarchuk incid borj salm toronto fell creas and skate into face that lot stich fix carol pen liam toronto start
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rec.sport.hockey	leaf crush blue win flame back articl apr wuecl wustl edu jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write articl vzhivov cunew vzhivov alfr carleton vladimir zhivov write blue led goali nhl thi season curti joseph shut hawk blue plai clutch grab shoot puck incred bore watch work final blue fan agre that joseph great goali win vezina thi year share barrasso shadow mario amaz perform that joseph had great year and consid for vezina barrasso and joseph two strongest candid thi year don hype that roi belfour and potvin receiv for goaltend that great net curti tommi fuhr net thi year playoff big name tender strong defens front and goaltend credit face shot game reli joseph save goali face shot joseph barrasso face jai quebec and that mclean and mention candid for thi year vezina partial joseph and barrasso thi season john huber aka jai penguin stanlei cup champion softwar engin institut pirat east champion sei mastercraft boat for ski
rec.sport.hockey	espn geoff filinuk filinuk staff dcc upenn edu wrote thi come indirectli morgani work studio for espn hockei text delet espn contractu oblig show basebal and not broadcast hockei game year espn will introduc basebal fan can watch basebal and hockei fan can watch hockei hadn heard thi espn thi network suppos start sound great long cabl offer tom huot huot crai
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game clint malarchuk neck cut uw krupp skate happen buffalo can you krupp defend oppos attack charg net malarchuk fourth goali hasek puppa and draper suffer obsess compuls disord plai san diego for sabr coach rick dudlei krupp plai for island lafontain turgeon trade win patrick ferrel qldp ubvm buffalo edu state univers york buffalo fundament wrong univers aka jai walker wwivnet arthur dent
rec.sport.hockey	sabr bruin note improb for bruin stuff nightmar for sabr tast heaven for time sinc sabr won game seri last time game victori canadien take work thi time sabr readi put extra work heel shutout that boston home ic advantag sabr back overtim win wasn easi wasn pretti work john blue nod for boston supplant andi moog start goaltend moog pull midwai game tuesdai buffalo start goal mogilni fourth playoff powerplai boston don sweenei and gord robert box lafontain and hawerchuk had assist goal number two khmylev playoff pretti goal score sabr stole puck and pass open and wait khmylev smehlik and hannan assist determin not shut boston talli shot rai bourqu powerplai colin patterson and bob sweenei box period two scoreless split penalti two club boston smolinski courtesi oat buffalo resecur lead two minut bruin bob sweenei khmylev and carnei neeli ti game send into overtim last year overtim meant bruin win last night spell sweet reveng buffalo score rai bourqu penalti box tip khmylev hawerchuk and lafontain minut into overtim team finish shot power plai convers boston buffalo refere rob shick comment shick pocket whistl allow lot clutch and grab buffalo penalti kill unit fantast mogilni check grant miss onc and flung bodi into board check thi idea mogilni crowd unbeliev don heard crowd that loud aud for sabr game rememb plai for cup don rememb and game doug bodger postgam interview note that hawerchuk crowd loud even shout didn matter sabr and even muckler great yuri khmylev didn realiz that game star and didn skate name call sweenei and fuhr each yuri made appear san jersei ask interview whether knew big goal that respon interpret and that even interpret digress interview doesn speak english not understand playoff huh valeri hammerl john lift pat board grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand and start run pwpz ubvm buffalo edu faster and faster want learn that feel and learn skate lafontain
rec.sport.hockey	montreal versu quebec articl msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write montreal quebec game yesterdai tight last second period overtim roi and hextal plai god montreal won deserv get goal overtim wave puck hit high stick second goal overtim replai not montreal player kick puck not direct stick montreal back into seri dave vergolini michigan state univers vergolin euler lb msu edu replai show that win goal for montreal skate quebec defenceman check kirk muller front hextal
rec.sport.hockey	shark jack feirerra shark kingston fire gak wr richard stueven write hand hard press real mistak fereirra made imagin benefit hindsight jettison for youth fast strategi hindsight didn work that left shark tightrop net not that inher flaw injuri that caus fall that view shark upper manag attempt trade kisio major factor decis fire feirerra indic wasn major factor last straw person conflict shark manag and disagr personnel handl not trade ferriera rumor not folk bench want need inclin exactli opposit view luckiest man hockei ferriera lost manag staff depend sourc you trust lost grillo and lombardi and murdoch summer frankli want ahv lost kingston moot point shark build organiz staff that highli consensu and cooper ferriera want run thing conflict ferriera lost that noth skill accomplish that level lot person and polit good thing for shark that never fit shark person hope succe wildest dream anaheim good for hockei want duck doormat for coupl year shark succee chuq imho von rospach esd support train dal aux chuq appl member sfwa editor otherrealm geni mac bigot alink chuq minor leagu fan minor request medraut appl san jose giant san francisco giant fan giant request medraut appl stick not san jose shark fan shark request medraut appl seat tbd
rec.sport.hockey	leaf wing agre rob shick suck big time thing last night game boston buffalo
rec.sport.hockey	potvin stick noth wrong felix problem that didn dino hard time felix aim for ankl leaf
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo sabr quot bill gregori hei that game thought sabr look that you describ boston that look weak and unsur even big bruin win game that prove lucki sabr game and bad that boston isn put fight that seri playoff boston will come smoke two game and that buffalo will end seri game six back buffalo and island capit and will win seri clobber penguin elimin devil game cannot sad beat penguin thi year and will cup afraid talk steve find girl fault prais girl friend blue wave qwk
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl tgh lfi hsdndev harvard edu nhma gauss med harvard edu mark shneyder write harri and buttkiss milburi will never admit that screw major brought dumbest peopl busi brian sutter sutter playoff record head coach loui speak for blue chanc advanc second round thi year grant fuhr thi lot coach brian sutter gerald
rec.sport.hockey	hockei guest spot articl apr mcgill jbe jbe musicb mcgill write manon rheaum letterman sept english terribl that letterman cheap shot shot funni uncal for contrari thought dave and accent ockei passion gerald
rec.sport.hockey	wjr boston john girash write for red wing fan boston thought letcha that desper for new game wjr walkman and succeed night recept you can wjr long problem that and belov contractu oblig wjr will tiger basebal wing playoff game for half game wing plai for thi seri tonight game and game and necessai will bump ron and major goal leav presid set thing worri get bore read problem paper decad decad want peopl deal problem presid bill clinton
rec.sport.hockey	sabr fan can sabr fan final take sabr sweater moth ball and proudli wear year playoff frustrat and game nil guess pretti good bet not team that come back deficit sinc thi year don throw moth ball roi
rec.sport.hockey	wing new and playoff thought wrote feel juri tim chevelda playoff goali averag playoff last year had horribl start plai great last ten game bench gaa even horribl start last year thi year plai detroit win cup wasn sharp game didn thought look pretti good yesterdai charl hubbert write great write wing toronto seri agre that you chevi shouldn shot point goal mikorov that wing good and chevi hold not great chevi soft goal didn matter recent histori inconsist plai come big count score goal you mention score period look toronto come back chevi except can barraso style playoff goali inconsist noth line come big need guess find ron and major goal leav presid set thing worri get bore read problem paper decad decad want peopl deal problem presid bill clinton
rec.sport.hockey	hockei guest spot articl rec sport hockei sclark epa utoronto susan clark ask gui answ bit trivia hockeplay appear major talk show letterman carson leno arsenio etc show nation natur includ canadian equival you can thi can includ nhl olymp and world champion ship player pretti gretzki and lemieux wonder not celebr player game tod hartj plai for harvard colleg and plai ahl initi for moncton and for provid daryl turner for updat appear david letterman show two year ago tod distinct american born player and plai soviet union thi arrang jet mike smith tod plai moncton time european player come north america plai nhl tod spent year plai russia and plai russian player enter nhl last two year wrote book experi call red line check and appear letterman show talk mike note hope fact straight year sinc read tod book want dig book doubl check realiz lent friend and hasn return book wait til hold
rec.sport.hockey	montreal versu quebec articl msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini wrote montreal quebec game yesterdai tight last second period overtim roi and hextal plai god montreal won deserv get goal overtim wave puck hit high stick second goal overtim replai not montreal player kick puck not direct stick montreal back into seri overhead replai pretti show that quebec defend deflect puck plai offici not time make thi call for goal pretti controversi agre that great game good roi and damphouss back into form hopefulli sign good thing come paul valin tel bell northern research email pavalin bnr box station ottawa ontario canada opinion
rec.sport.hockey	bowman credit game pen devil seri impress time and time pure talent pen jagr maceachern and barrasso fun watch element thi team unnot scotti bowman despit brook lunat comment and despit devil line chang adantag last night game bowman cool and devil dark grant hell dweller had pen bottl for last night bowman eventu configur line job abil throw and strategi moment notic incred bowman terrif abil read player individu basi last night for instanc realiz that speed jagr straka and maceachern throw devil balanc result straka receiv shift averag jagr plai almost entir game puck and maceachern score goal complement jagr time night abil commit player crucial situat commend coach such talent team simpli reli talent domin and bring success can replac geniu and optim badger bob johnson bowman made perman not mark pittsburgh
rec.sport.hockey	roger feel for knowledg hockei observ explain thi year playoff mean superior toronto team center and goali leagu lose stand misstat that made vice presid dan quayl sam donaldson nick duncan duncan mprgate mpr
rec.sport.hockey	nhl playoff result for game plai nhl playoff result for confer semi final patrick adam norri smyth buf lead stl lead win pit lead bo chi van lead nyi lead mon tor ti que lead det lead cal quebec nordiqu lead seri montreal canadien period que sundin gusarov period mon muller damphouss bellow period overtim mon damphouss bellow desjardin powerplai opportun nordiqu canadien shot goal nordiqu canadien quebec nordiqu hextal shot save montreal canadien roi shot save att pittsburgh penguin lead seri jersei devil period njd guerin pit mceachern straka period njd holik steven period pit lemieux murphi ramsei pit taglianetti lonei tippett pit murphi franci tocchet njd semak zelepukin powerplai opportun penguin devil shot goal penguin devil pittsburgh penguin barrasso shot save jersei devil billington shot save att boston bruin buffalo sabr lead seri period buf mogilni lafontain hawerchuk buf khmylev smehlik hannan bo bourqu oat donato period period bo smolinski oat buf sweenei khmylev carnei bo neeli oat shaw overtim buf khmylev hawerchuk lafontain powerplai opportun bruin sabr shot goal bruin sabr boston bruin blue shot save buffalo sabr fuhr shot save att washington capit york island lead seri period nyi thoma burridg cavallini period carpent ridlei bondra period elynuik carpent ridlei nyi thoma turgeon king nyi turgeon thoma hogu overtim nyi ferraro hogu flatlei powerplai opportun capit island shot goal capit island washington capit tabaracci shot save york island heali shot save att spike
rec.sport.hockey	potvin and stick articl sscl uwo sscl uwo write dino get shot front net expect thi playoff hockei you lose game regular season and not bad you lose game playoff and difficult thing overcom watch hockei and plai for number year and haven post season game forward front net not finish bruis back leg leaf not good job clear net and potvin forc matter into hand rememb cicarelli us plai for london knight ohl nuisanc front net and goali except thi complain thi morn paper happen last night lot bellyach team and complain whack happen thing front billi smith younger ron hextal dino two artif leg dino part game and lucki star that playoff and good chanc final agre that you stand front net that you expect hit and hack gener you expect finish game bruis fine line hack gui caus pain and discomfort and blatantli attempt injur anoth player felix potvin imo cross that line wednesdai that two hander ciccarelli line lost lot respect for potvin that show immatur not slash ciccarelli simpli remov slot area legal posit for dino slash attempt injur shear frustrat leaf support support not leaf fan disappoint you mention billi smith and ron hextal philli dai cross that line time and for that reason fan and player dislik that name come exampl talk issu hope that felix doesn that hate even dino admit don hurt such careless intent us stick gari
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl bqn acsu buffalo edu qldp ubvmsd buffalo edu real kneebit write articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game clint malarchuk neck cut uw krupp skate happen buffalo can you krupp defend oppos attack charg net not krupp skate krupp defend steve tuttl blue sort trip and fell malarchuk and tuttl skate peril close cut miss jugular malarchuk immedi fell ic hand neck blood ic malarchuk fourth goali hasek puppa and draper suffer obsess compuls disord plai san diego for sabr coach rick dudlei suffer for decad wasn diagnos for didn sleep for ten dai and decid alcohol sleep put ulcer medicin dai earlier amaz last long ocd suffer stop distinguish line realiti and imagin fail accept that check for exampl ocd sufferr can wash hand and and dirti check oven ten time turn movi and automat assum situat for life malarchuk dramat decreas medicin take thi past winter and had bad ocd episod and hospit for coupl dai felt slow reflex event aliv and and live san diego plai gull ihl krupp plai for island lafontain turgeon trade and tuttl longer blue don possibl ihl you blue fan valeri hammerl john lift pat board grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand and start run pwpz ubvm buffalo edu faster and faster want learn that feel and learn skate lafontain
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rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game carol pen that clint malarchuck specul time that injuri that had plai end rink time plai end ambul park never surviv ditto plai leagu ambul standbi you video tape incid amaz blood liter spurt ic clint grab neck and watch puddl horror amazingli made full recoveri and plai nhl get year time incid and didn plai for long afterward peopl specul that couldn back togeth incid and had bunch person problem dog afterward eventu back form and plai anoth year that and retir carol boudreau termin boudreau athena mit edu flame rock king
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rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write gballent vancouv uvic greg ballentin write lot debat virtu bryan murrai pat quinn delet randi graca murrai leagu quinn team quinn improv greater amount detroit sinc you figur vancouv and detroit thing last year won divis had close number point round playoff final escap game and knock second round team beat talent specif rememb correctli place team thi make vancouv improv not mistaken wing had point vancouv end thi season albeit not quinn vancouv year ago not last year regularili miss playoff can recal miss playoff year hire quinn improv team playoff calibr contend murrai detroit team that contend win norri divis and possibl even stanlei cup contend quinn improv team murrai sinc take quinn exampl murrai gregmeist
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rec.sport.hockey	bowman credit articl vru wbna andrew cmu edu matthew keat andrew cmu edu write game pen devil seri impress time and time pure talent pen jagr maceachern and barrasso fun watch element thi team unnot scotti bowman bowman hockei hall fame coach and unlik gil stein didn stack board director can replac geniu and optim badger bob johnson bowman made perman not mark pittsburgh bowman geniu johnson isn bowman great coach johnson good bowman not modern coach and patrick solut run team game dai and deleg dai dai responsib assist shrewd manageri decis patrick part gerald
rec.sport.hockey	bruin fan articl rap psuvm psu edu rap psuvm psu edu robbi write wonder bruin fan mean woof post regular season that fave team kick playoff and win stanlei rememb thi year woofer consist and roger boston fan rel quiet cup noth wrong rant and rave curiou boston faith stop post mean haven even boston fan post cept for bruin fan that aren cocki guess concept fan not cocki you couldn understand don bruin fan robbi streaker come natur patrick divis semi pgh penguin you wait for penguin devil stanlei possibl don you penguin lead cup champion strong resembl nah doubt you you provoc sob usual larg stick your mean that nicest and brag you wobbi umass beat your quaker btw congratul sabr plai diciplin and will win deserv dan dan vicorp
rec.sport.hockey	leaf crush blue win flame back jca cec wustl edu joseph charl achkar write articl vzhivov cunew vzhivov alfr carleton vladimir zhivov write joseph shut hawk blue plai clutch grab shoot puck incred bore watch work road agre bore you not blue fan blue plai two perfect road game not bore like stroke had listen game two blackhawk station and don anoth call and joseph make spectacular saaaaaav blue fan don want plai plai game two result fine blue match hawk don treat flame don mondai night miracl chanc beat chicago blue can talent hawk rich blue joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
rec.sport.hockey	espn previou articl huot crai tom huot geoff filinuk filinuk staff dcc upenn edu wrote thi come indirectli morgani work studio for espn hockei text delet espn contractu oblig show basebal and not broadcast hockei game year espn will introduc basebal fan can watch basebal and hockei fan can watch hockei hadn heard thi espn thi network suppos start sound great long cabl offer usa todai late thi year question will hockei move espn permenantli will game week espn and bunch game espn mike cornel great peopl countri todai mac cwru edu fault sane monti python flyer stanlei cup brain hurt gumbi
rec.sport.hockey	pen fan reaction articl apr sei cmu edu sad sei cmu edu susan dart write penguin fan calm that never experienc thi year pen player and fan confid team thi year savor game and save energi for stanlei cup that not calm boredom and spoil arena quiet church night thi year win for grant seemingli forev sinc team lost and forgotten feel real excit and surpris victori glad pen wai high back pen beat bruin two year ago and ranger last year good thing not good for you rick
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rec.sport.hockey	oiler for sale articl yadal cab yadal ualberta yadalle dave write mill oiler move hamilton porklington can free deal probabl that oiler not anywher pocklington chosen thi moment make last stand moment maximum advantag provinci govern month provinci elect moment maximum power convinc northland give arena deal purchas price and nhl collect agreement player involv enhanc revenu share pocklington thing stupid not can dictat term citi will pai price edmonton doesn edmonton fuck intern airport and surrend supremaci calgari and year edmonton hard hit govern cutback will screw recogniton manag find lose hockei team northland continu us oiler subsid hors race thi case long term financi viabil oiler fact that pocklington basic own team and provok crisi team accumul million dollar loss becom habitu uncompetit lack monei sather job oiler pois competit strachan knowledgebl hockei writer canada post mortem oiler season globe and mail recent agre gerald
rec.sport.hockey	nhl alltim score leader time nhl lead goal scorer denot activ player gordi how det hfd wayn gretzki edm year will gretz beat thi mike
rec.sport.hockey	espn espn piss you call respond call last night call cut basebal and couldn sudden death overtim for buffalo game appar receiv call wait for overtim finish cut phone number susan dart
rec.sport.hockey	wing new and playoff thought articl prv msuinfo msu edu twork egr msu edu michael twork write root detroit valuabl asset wing and perhap ranger zombo return wake and smell norri rick zombo trade blue for vinc riendo last season mike mike defensemen wing will give for beezer
rec.sport.hockey	sabr bruin articl lte tcinn appserv eng sun mre teal eng sun mike eisler write not buffalo fan bandwagon win aboard and sinc haven thi thi year preced year not
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name clint malarchuk happen sinc assign san diego gull season player skate cut goali name info uw krupp and blue player uw skate beleiv cut clint sinc trade isl lafontain deal thi happen hockei game thi time tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu sabr
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win gballent hudson uvic greg ballentin write articl vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write gballent vancouv uvic greg ballentin write stuff delet quinn vancouv year ago not last year regularili miss playoff can recal miss playoff year hire quinn improv team playoff calibr contend murrai detroit team that contend win norri divis and possibl even stanlei cup contend last year bryan murrai wing not make playoff had consid contend jacqu demer arriv last two year embarrass round chicago and fail make playoff time add team norri true that vancouv not make playoff for year quinn year smyth divis lot mean lot tougher divis norri snorri divis vancouv had plai edmonton and calgari legitim stanlei cup contend time year detroit plai such powerhous toronto and minnesota edmonton even forc leagu and smyth even mighti san jose shark thi period time vancouv improv norri loui detroit had improv competit divis had improv lot competit norri bryan murrai inherit team talent for good player had yzerman burr and probert and that and doubt will disput whether burr and probert that good rest green rooki wash veteran reason year murrai due coach demer last ounc effort team even coach began degrad quinn improv team murrai sinc take quinn exampl murrai number reason detroit wasn bad shape stand wise murrai vanc quinn outlin murrai not personnel work outset quinn except yzerman and player cannot alon make team into stanlei cup contend read thi will agre team improv face each confer final assum don knock last year gregmeist randi
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rec.sport.hockey	coverag nhl blame coverag playoff fuck ridicul overtim time game that not shown hell kind shit thi that happen flyer damn playoff begin watch throught roof get piss espn not blame prior contract that can simpli break whenev want blame sign deal espn had thi had shit thi happen sinc wouldn complet prioriti feel heat that thrown espn can thi fan dare that make damn leagu exist and can even televis complet playoff game for watch write thi piss that expect thi thi and had that chest and mario michael jordan hockei that fucker fall ic and closet gui get last night game and pitt push skate across front goal shot gui good job weak shot decid fall ic fuck ref van helloamend call gui for hold replai plai and roomat clueless hockei want gui call fuck obviou player had hand stick and not trip simpl mario get touch fall ic automat thing that piss pitt score goal don rememb result and eventu won dive call make huge differ outcom game gotta stop damn hold and interfer that fuck obviou that not hockei inferior player bring level player and inferior team beat thi piss for year and improv somewhat playoff and period damn ref misplac ball don make call that show that agre disagre repli welcom steve
rec.sport.hockey	div and conf name articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write problem game present fan feel that geograph name enhanc region loyalti name honour personag compromis work honour personag confer name and geograph refer division name not move will draw fan game imo cosmet chang that bettman and owner hope will effect and doesn for mental work anoth thing that bother point system percentag us major sport inform nhl stand thing make quick calcul account for game hand almost case will object percentag claim perhap that american sport surpris agre total point system fine time plai number game sinc thi almost never case win percentag don care american thing work dchhabra stpl ist
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rec.sport.hockey	oiler for sale articl yadal cab yadal ualberta yadalle dave write mill oiler move hamilton porklington can free deal labour relat and puck sigh relief heard yesterdai that pocklington talk folk copp that afternoon yesterdai valeri hammerl john lift pat board grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand and start run pwpz ubvm buffalo edu faster and faster want learn that feel and learn skate lafontain
rec.sport.hockey	shark kingston fire apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe spiegel sgi msd lmsc lockhe mark spiegel write articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write mcgill hammond johan garpenlov you two johan your logic you enjoi falloon and ozolinsh injur reserv falloon hurt clean check fell poorli wilson don ozolinsh judo coach for shark injuri situat bob probert judo jitsu coach add interest wrinkl game archer
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl tgh lfi hsdndev harvard edu nhma gauss med harvard edu mark shneyder fat ladi hit note deficit chanc for comeback that base game playoff format that base nhl histori game statstic odd win straight game two straight game straight game straight game odd penguin win straight game playoff thi doesn includ weight averag pen beat devil straight weaker team beat ranger straight stronger team made act balanc that for boston odd win closer weight averag sinc buffalo record isn good and boston stronger team qba probabl prove you integr that debbi gibson you get start game hope blue team can ralli moog can moog get for perform give blue start fuhr tough buffalo caught hot goaltend time mean buffalo win loss last harri sinden appear dress room game pathet site retard cover sutter thi game not win lose harri check frustrat lose and you gotta not win lose you plai game competit magnifi thi level peopl care win lose schedul your team playoff and long summer vacat sundai morn buffalo will win not boston get blown lost game bounc easili harri and buttkiss milburi will never admit that screw major brought dumbest peopl busi brian sutter sutter playoff record head coach loui speak for blue chanc advanc second round thi year good point chicago deep troubl tonight hawk bad past histori win divis and lose earli don finish robbi streaker come natur patrick divis semi pgh penguin you wait for penguin devil stanlei possibl don you penguin lead cup champion strong resembl
rec.sport.hockey	bruin fan articl apr vicorp dan vicorp dan gauthier even boston fan post cept for bruin fan that aren cocki guess concept fan not cocki you couldn understand sig noth cocki you put your sig noth your articl learn back fall hard nah doubt you you provoc sob usual larg stick your mean that you mean butt don you not nicest you and brag you wobbi umass beat your quaker two point hockei secondli umass beat quaker earth you respond not atlant you wanna call big weak for ladi lion had challeng confer didn pai big east show thing post regular basi and track women score review tournament wasn reason stop post btw congratul sabr plai not chanc come back game boston can buffalo win diciplin and will win deserv agre plai tremend hockei congatualt straight buffalo easili boston buffalo come tough and luck you never penalti that doesn side involv playoff game never never never robbi streaker come natur patrick divis semi pgh penguin you wait for penguin devil stanlei possibl don you penguin lead cup champion strong resembl
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl apr sei cmu edu sad sei cmu edu susan dart write espn piss you call respond call last night call cut basebal and couldn sudden death overtim for buffalo game appar receiv call wait for overtim finish cut phone number susan dart whenev espn cover game wonder job don understand that cut show stupid basebal new not import wait for score comeon sportscent talk basebal basketbal and footbal show penguin highlight and back stupid basketbal final show highlight goal that sec give attent nhl playoff talk bore basketbal game guess nhl fault for leav espn hope thing improv season cobra
rec.sport.hockey	ghost sweenei past wow thi gui prove team boston sweenei you bob sweenei that boston buffalo hold sweenei make thing slightli confus game winner game and anoth big goal second fuhr made point blank save thi grant ring put buffalo ahead neeli counter minut hadn thi buffalo ahead ti and shut anoth great score opportun boston notch win seri sabr haven made end thi seri feel boston want posit that buffalo boston felt that come astronom game fuhr heroic rest team thi team sport afteral and borqu neeli jouneau and compani gonna swing stick weather perfect for golf season real not gonna waiger thi strang thing happen pro and colleg hockei talk golf that hockei swing golf swing basebal swing that hawerchuck us last shot game that khmylev deflect for big minut tesiment buffalo abil persist and grind end weren necessarili regular season sabr push hard and forc borqu blatent bodger open second don penalti call such ultra critic point thi blatent final sabr won faceoff weren that hot thi dept rest game lafontain scoop puck time hawerchuck shot quit boomer blue stop thi step rebound and slap set didn realiz announc start scream score score lafontain jump and skate bit jump and skate brad jump doug mckee mckee buffalo edu
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri pen annouc articl wiui cmu edu lli cmu edu lori iannamico write don cherri announc penguin game yeah and quot pgh goofi mayor queen sheba your majesti couldn you pictur cherri start post game interview barrasso tommi that crap shoe and proce give don tonsilectomi sher wood that you put pai per view hope you had good laugh georg georg pandelio internet gjp sei cmu edu softwar engin institut usenet sei gjp avenu voic pittsburgh fax disclaim opinion and not reflect softwar engin institut sponsor custom client affili carnegi mellon univers fact resembl opinion individu live dead fiction real pure coincident
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask articl sqz acsu buffalo edu hammerl acsu buffalo edu valeri hammerl write and give fuhr honour mention haven close look good distanc thi buffalo second sinc sabr recal price tag for paint job that mask and total price almost ouch yeah second and that price good bruin sabr telecast and wow good that paint job knew and fuhr plai sinc bet bruin wish didn
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game carol pen rememb read articl reader digest moon ago similar incid minor leaqu game player neck cut oppon back check trip and skake flew thi case victim mask prove hinder sinc face protect and didn bother instinct reaction protect face neck quick think coach save life appli direct pressur and snow contract blood vessel can rememb bill scott wscott physic ubc jet not
rec.sport.hockey	hockei guest spot gui answ bit trivia hockeplay appear major talk show letterman carson leno arsenio etc show nation natur includ canadian equival you can thi can includ nhl olymp and world champion ship player pretti gretzki and lemieux wonder messier and leetch shoot camera letterman show sinc watch late night show regularli john santor philadelphia flyer break surfac tension wild kinet dream rush grand design philadelphia flyer john santor jsbh andrew cmu edu rush king crimson emerson lake and palmer marillion genesi gabriel
rec.sport.hockey	roger duncan nichola duncan write feel for knowledg hockei observ explain thi year playoff mean superior toronto team center and goali leagu lose roger basebal spew expertis dickhead guess afraid post expect john franjion depart chemic engin univers colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri color man for pen year isn gui shot jagr and ulf recent sport illustr not familiar cherri work and for sarcasm commentari for pen bart
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl dox acsu buffalo edu hammerl acsu buffalo edu valeri hammerl write and tuttl longer blue don possibl ihl you blue fan steve tuttl trade blue start thi season pat jablonski for futur consider plai for milwauke ihl trade que michel mongeau plai halifax ahl joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
rec.sport.hockey	ulf crush valeri zelepukin that flick penguin game briefli and ulf cross check valeri face wonder don cherri thi coach corner billc bill clare eastman kodak compani internet clare bissun kodak elmgrov road phone rochest york opinion express belong and not employ
rec.sport.hockey	espn lack coverag articl apr philab philip jpc philab philip john curcio write worst thing that thi exactli last year had ranger msg and two game scny and sca time cover for amount coverag thi year you had game scny game sca game espn and ranger hadn crash and burn you had game msg you complain recal last year complain coverag even rememb oriol game shown area hockei and fail show conclus game featur game sound familiar thi year get twice coverag can cap game game espn show great that hockei back espn imho great job basebal contract work peter kester pkester mitr org
rec.sport.hockey	potvin and stick articl sscl uwo sscl uwo write articl fhc msuinfo msu edu hallg yangtz egr msu edu termin write hallg yangtz egr msu edu termin felix potvin deserv kick that hit stick pussi defensemen can move big dino ciccerelli lb front net toronto realiz that overmatch wing and reli antagon superior red wing cheap shot prefer watch hockei shot felix potvin slash and spear dino ciccerelli stand front net stand front net not creas goali hell doesn want plai roller hockei boi miss dai goali scream defens clear gui slot don care creas not hell can ball roller hockei rememb and clear slot push offend player hard hate peopl goali and felix that didn incid potvin swung stick big time that not can move peopl player ic you keith keller ranger kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ thi corner quaker weigh almost weight imagin life and that surround blue travel
rec.sport.hockey	knowledg observ franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjion write duncan nichola duncan write feel for knowledg hockei observ explain thi year playoff mean superior toronto team center and goali leagu lose roger basebal spew expertis dickhead guess afraid post expect nice fan that concern dearth disputati dissert link hiatu simpli damn busi you lad and lassi entertain you can that will manag find time woof leaf give and peopl name mine subject header for seek enjoi such cheap form notorieti thing you can assur thi leaf team leagu that allow goal game cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	pen fan reaction richard coyl gomer pitt edu wrote that not calm boredom and spoil arena quiet church night thi year win for grant seemingli forev sinc team lost and forgotten feel real excit and surpris victori last night excit pen didn wrap game half previou two game not rose and plai penguin start plai somewhat jersei aggress last night pen end swarm element suspens game question that billington help make interest claud lemieux didn eject earli game start devil goal for final game sundai couldn tom huot huot crai
rec.sport.hockey	bowman credit gerald olchowi golchowi alchemi chem utoronto wrote bowman geniu johnson isn bowman great coach johnson good bowman not modern coach and patrick solut run team game dai and deleg dai dai responsib assist shrewd manageri decis patrick part imho bowman perfect coach for thi group player thi time johnson perfect coach two year ago for group player lucki pittsburgh that order coach thi exclud unfortun circumst brought chang immens talent penguin roster thi year tougher bowman ego check johnson hand inspir younger inexperienc player height coach had strength exactli time anoth person mention that bowman perfect coach for thi time sinc can argu decis can you argu coach record hockei plai for great coach that demand respect ego check coupl idea tom huot huot crai
rec.sport.hockey	stat and find faceoff stat for season and earli lot
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game carol pen clint malarchuk happen barfli sigh leaf cry
rec.sport.hockey	goali mask poll updat thi vote for john blue for goali mask poll will shot site question ask mon black mask yellow paint open total plain vanilla eeuu heh mention tommi soderstrom flyer for besk mask poll mention below part plain white helmet big cage found thi pretti amus john santor philadelphia flyer break surfac tension wild kinet dream rush grand design philadelphia flyer john santor jsbh andrew cmu edu rush king crimson emerson lake and palmer marillion genesi gabriel
rec.sport.hockey	hockei equip recommend hei man spent past season learn skate and plai coupl session mock hockei readi invest hockei equip sinc will take summer hockei lesson complet and profoundli ignor come hockei equip check local store and look catalog hope solicit opinion suggest plunk monei plai footbal high school and colleg that equip basi for comparison for exampl advantag disadvantag kind shoulder pad and pant girdl notori bad unsaf brand style etc suggest comment greatli appreci tom menner you swim creek softwar engin institut and eel bite your cheek carnegi mellon univers that morai pittsburgh fabul furri freak bro
rec.sport.hockey	espn lack coverag pkester hoovil mitr org peter kester write jpc philab philip john curcio write worst thing that thi exactli last year cover for amount coverag thi year you had game scny game sca game espn and ranger hadn crash and burn you had game msg you complain problem that fault espn ongo game not cover til final horn sound two channel scny and sca late finish game pacif time and overtim will kick end local coverag scny block met hockei sca scny espn current situat allevi gld souvien gari dare gld columbia edu winnipeg jet gld cunixc bitnet selann domi stanlei
rec.sport.hockey	shark kingston fire articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe spiegel sgi msd lmsc lockhe mark spiegel write articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write gund will open checkbook didn give draft pick promis talent murphi for great agre shark shouldn give young talent earli round draft pick list chelio type player shark pick rule sign free agent year put big restrict shark can pick believ pick player will add tough team you rememb that you real qualiti free agent not requir compens shark makarov top class compens free agent even wouldn help don expect top qualiti tough don view makarov player add tough size hopefulli won worri year alexand cherbayev and michal sykora agre multi year contract and appear that mike rathj will sign pretti big size alon isn fear kolstad struck ey oppon not rathj and sykora highli tout prospect unlik kolstad and cherbayev initi suppos plai for russian team happen that mean that like good nelson you confus skill and tough mcgill hammond johan garpenlov you two johan your logic you enjoi falloon and ozolinsh injur reserv your logic you that shark had mcgill and hammond that you can guarante that falloon and ozolinsh wouldn hurt chanc that mcgill caus ozolinsh stuck and you hammond worthless and mcgill almost worthless wilson don falloon and ozolinsh injur cheapshot weren don justif that mcgill and hammond prevent injuri injuri falloon and ozolinsh pure accident mcgill and hammond prevent hei mcgill hammond thing fan point that last year shark had tough that miss thi year thi year had skill for that your skill player get beat and injur can you good whether cheap shot not you can team push you shark simpli push team knew thi knew aggress check shark and not pai for ad player season will add tough team will insur that season team will hesist vigor check skill player cheap shot doesn guarante injuri noth shark can reduc number injuri mark mark spiegel spiegel lmsc lockhe cow palac epicent
rec.sport.hockey	hockei guest spot two year ago mark messier appear david letterman summer sign wit ranger rememb and mike gartner take slapshot camera final bullsey and screen blank funni you guess
rec.sport.hockey	lemieux get hart jeez hope not articl apr unbvm csd unb unb patrick walker write hart mario jesu bad for utter word extrem sick and piss gui luber ten minut give king break thi mario player gretzki die bobbi clark not that condon violenc make except for mario mario complain hit give and scotti real complain rambl you can hate mario pat walker unb don you kill beav dunnow eddi troubl gun beav shoot beav eddi blam blam walli you troubl beav
rec.sport.hockey	ranger fan articl apr eagl wesleyan edu kwolfer eagl wesleyan edu write stanlei cup team that can test pittsburgh and that detroit thi entertain and hard fought seri mario amaz kurt that mario make pat walker sound type that bring game and pot shot mario stand dam sunavbich hmff joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl vic andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu chad nichola hunter write live pittsburgh pen fan hockei get lot coverag can imagin cap fan resid texa feel cap fan resid atlanta dont even cking playoff score new skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	potvin and stick potvin can pound dino happen dino pound dino get leg slash can slash potvin return thi year lssu hockei game player call for slash hit goali glove stick that slash hit ankl isn ref call goali liberti player brad
rec.sport.hockey	hockei guest spot sclark epa utoronto susan clark write answer bit trivia hockeplay appear major talk show exampl delet pretti gretzki and lemieux wonder michael fox letterman year ago two playoff celebr hockei player for bruin not exactli nhler mention that bruin want break ulfi leg that respons neeli incid quit amus letterman viewer knew talk pen celebr hockei player michael dougla aka michael keaton joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question sadist brought thi vein malarchuk happen want throw and time devast sinc thought that malarchuk wouldn surviv btw pick alcohol problem incid radic chang subject cap nightmar isl overtim playoff beaten island playoff game thi lunaci cap such team playoff consist choke oppon beat lose two game row not coincid evid choke factor keith keller ranger kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ thi corner quaker weigh almost weight imagin life and that surround blue travel
rec.sport.hockey	roger articl franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjion write roger basebal spew expertis dickhead guess afraid post expect john franjion depart chemic engin univers colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu hei start game net call roger similiar waldo find waldo pictur peopl find roger newsgroup net predict that basketbal pro lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing
rec.sport.hockey	coverag nhl blame articl apr lehigh edu sjg lehigh edu steven jai gibbl write mario michael jordan hockei that fucker fall ic and closet gui get last night game and pitt push skate across front goal shot gui good job weak shot decid fall ic fuck ref van helloamend call gui for hold replai plai and roomat clueless hockei want gui call fuck obviou player had hand stick and not trip simpl mario get touch fall ic automat thing that piss pitt score goal don rememb result and eventu won dive call make huge differ outcom game agre disagre repli welcom steve watch two game devil had hand mario elbow and pull elbow caus mario fall call clueless peopl substanti your claim doesn give lot confid your call time get second opinion clueful observ disagre joseph stiehm
rec.sport.hockey	ranger fan articl apr eagl wesleyan edu kwolfer eagl wesleyan edu write for happi ranger hire keenan bad that agre that keenan excel choic you mike lupica column sundai new sentiment exactli instil hunger and fire into heart season that kick alot butt read hockei new don ranger fan write thi group and keep fairli quiet you lurk thing don sens ranger fan list die hard ranger fan guess sat garden penguin led mario goal decim sick abund talent that total untap and lack heart displai thi season final question team handl that last dread stretch know need offens bluelin didn mike hurlbut plai pretti call leetch hurlbut injur for quit not recov time for playoff run and you question wasn us joe kocur plai night not bob probert tough can plai kocur us instanc for intimid factor grant aw lot ic time for that reason alon you realiz that team not real physic intimid nickel for time bodi you illus come paul broten releg street cloth for end season plai heart and charact draw penalti and plai ic doghous for reason agre and don joe cirella don agre you joei good job fill ask can imagin that easi ic time full timer don rememb turn puck blue line fail clear zone work hard and didn make rooki mistak interview can give and ranger fan suffer loyal unlik island fan show team win absolut attend garden last dai season averag night for island fought seri mario amaz man awesom enjoi playoff that ranger aren can glori mario get hate oppos team deserv concern mari mari blumenstock mblumen itsmail hamilton edu hamilton colleg clinton ranger year
rec.sport.hockey	coverag nhl blame sjg lehigh edu steven jai gibbl write coverag playoff fuck ridicul overtim time game that not shown hell kind shit thi that happen flyer damn playoff begin watch throught roof for you read guid articl week sportsview nhl and major network broadcast pretti interest jennif
rec.sport.hockey	knowledg observ maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write thing you can assur thi leaf team leagu that allow goal game cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time roger you check your fact post king conced goal game jon
rec.sport.hockey	ulf and drozinst erau edu drozinski tim write aluminum stick ulf head gonna solv problem violenc sport hockei hell can you gui goon and justifi your back assward mental that hurt player will solv problem asinin rule and refere system institut real goon ref watch plai suppos koharski and van hellemond name head ass call keep ey goofbal plai even linesmen call penalti improv that leagu head you can fight retali cheap shot ref isn ulf brought thi high level player stuck past neeli prefer fight cheap shot disadvantag system let face cheap shot high stick effect method easier hide ref chanc caus injuri and you can draw peopl into fight that don that leagu good hit ulf last penguin devil game manag hit player face stick legal hit ulf clean player and allow thing that
rec.sport.hockey	oiler rumour team move press confer week heard stori local sport new broadcast edmonton oiler owner peter pocklington will hold press confer week exact detail not believ concern oiler futur rumour that pocklington sign tent leas arrang copp collesium hamilton press confer pocklington announc deal quit that deal simpli forc edmonton northland renegoti oiler leas stadium northland offer bui oiler for million earlier offer reject immedi pocklington for opinion divid edmonton fairli support oiler even small market team had sellout even problem that team had thi year brought fan team larger citi hand team move place deserv hamilton that affect grand realign scheme bettman
rec.sport.hockey	nhl summari pars result for game plai tue april island washington period island turgeon king thoma second period washington hunter johansson miller island turgeon thoma vask washington hunter johansson carpent period island hogu unassist washington khristich cavallini bondra island ferraro flatlei hogu washington hunter johansson khristich overtim score second overtim island mullen ferraro flatlei island power plai scorer pt ferraro flatlei hogu king mullen thoma turgeon vask washington power plai scorer pt bondra carpent cavallini hunter johansson khristich miller montreal quebec period quebec leschyshyn kamenski sakic quebec young lapoint quebec young lapoint duchesn second period score period montreal bellow odelein quebec lapoint ricci quebec power plai special goal total scorer pt duchesn kamenski lapoint leschyshyn ricci sakic young montreal power plai scorer pt bellow odelein jersei pittsburgh period pittsburgh mceachern franci taglianetti pittsburgh lemieux samuelsson barrasso second period pittsburgh tocchet steven samuelsson pittsburgh jagr franci ramsei pittsburgh steven franci murphi pittsburgh mceachern daniel mullen period pittsburgh mullen franci barrasso pittsburgh power plai special goal total scorer pt barrasso daniel franci jagr lemieux mceachern mullen murphi ramsei samuelsson steven taglianetti tocchet jersei power plai score buffalo boston period buffalo preslei unassist buffalo wood moller sweenei second period buffalo mogilni lafontain period buffalo hawerchuk carnei smehlik buffalo power plai special goal total scorer pt carnei hawerchuk lafontain mogilni moller preslei smehlik sweenei wood boston power plai score
rec.sport.hockey	result april articl apr ericsson etxonss ufsa ericsson staffan axelsson write czech republ goaltend petr briza finland lukko finland color mask defens leo guda jypht finland germani excel defenseman drahomir kadlec hifk finland jiri kucera tappara finland toma kapusta hpk finland otakar janecki finland jokerit finland radek toupal hpk finland jiri dolez jypht finland contract jypht own player right czech kadlec dolez not anymor good hockei player big surpris that hlinka select dolez dole had bad season jypht and that didn make contract czech had jiri jonak fire lot czech plai finland dariu rusnak igor liba sejba svoboda
rec.sport.hockey	german audienc lunat watch game germani czech todai and astonish behaviour german audienc german team penalti last period and crowd grazi threw coin extra puck and trash into rink that stupid guess canadian refere isostar bro gave german team penalti for that didn guess german proud nazi kill german suck attitud that kind attitud sport rememb european champ stockholm soccer piss not mean that singl german thi attitud that suck jokk kylmaoja golf phoenix oulu
rec.sport.hockey	word advic star hater advic for you and thought your hatr minnesota north star real team toronto not move you elimin playoff round stai minnesota you can colleg western ontario and class map read and artistri bsing specif set for you love star hate leaf you can understand big word time limit vocabulari word real team and not wast time respond thi articl love laugh your humor even unintent big kick leaf home delarocq eo ncsu edu afc east divis champion and afc confer champion squish fish mondai night footbal novemb squish trash talk fish afc championship januari you buffalo bill fan email delarocq eo ncsu edu can talk game insight etc you packer fan interest new green bai
rec.sport.hockey	bruin post game summari for sabr bruin game
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl apr wkuvx bitnet kozloc wkuvx bitnet write jesu christ score pen beat shit devil gave middl period espn smart announc state folk thi game get hand let island capit game celebr make progress homework bore schedul game tear and throw jersei hunter score ap shit thi cap game watch season and espn back blowout that hasn chanc hell win period end and sportscast capitol ti oop excus into penguin worship mode dont freak pen fan worthi thi glad wont plai year and come period blowout wait for cap isl intermiss good put close game back wait what thi shit show blowout aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggggggg guess score penguin switch game you holi shit chang game goddamn time let stai thi prove point cap game into overtim due contractu oblig switch fuck basebal for languag piss hell schedul game into overtim espn your head your ass lot espn cover game wonder job last night felt hate watch devil pen game that devil ass kick even bother show bore and espn peopl don brain sundai and last night game show devil pen thu and sun hell think thi nhl will never major network contract cap isl game excit hope basebal game rain espn atleast can diffrent hockei game experi make person make mistak mail cobra chopin udel edu
rec.sport.hockey	articl bigboot wpi edu ching bigwpi wpi edu logistician write player wear nhl rai borqu for bruin greatli appreci logistician reign suprem blue tiger piston lion red wing ching wpi wpi edu pierr turgeon island mike
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl edu icop csa edu antonio pera write love abc coverag product excel appear antonio you weren alon abc rate good schock hear that abc telecast watch sport event weekend nation rate respect top nielsen market boston game score lower had compet local sport team quit frankli expect abc rate happi proven wrong sometim pai click your cabl remot control and you happen hockei fan you stumbl playoff hockei game espn pick detroit toronto game mondai night night game mlb rain chicago you give espn credit for switch detroit fox coverag and bill clement pittsburgh station wate for intermiss analysi espn peopl giddi perliminari night abc rate for sundai telecast and thought good idea featur norri divis showdown monster truck compet good move espn ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	espn justifi rant espn coverag delet chang espn think even complain directli telephon bristol find hard that espn doesn viewer will simpli chang channel bore game and didn show nyi wash overtim livid want watch basebal turn philli padr extra in game bed angri boycot espn morn sportscent todai incens wife shouldn bed angri last nite grrrrrrr tim mavor name colleg marin studi call tim univ delawar newark you that hidden tim tmavor pandora cm udel edu monti python and holi grail
rec.sport.hockey	info world hockei championship inform world hockei championship and specif team game summari and stat greatli appreci usa todai report that beat czech republ that limit stori laura
rec.sport.hockey	abc coverag articl blue ci pitt edu shah pitt edu ravindra shah write exactli that biggest complaint coverag follow that damn puck espn abc stick side pen devil seri and will continu thursdai night watch pretti women stand action ic slow ag team lunch dynam pen squad ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	espn suck basebal guess articl ati ccu umanitoba umturn ccu umanitoba daryl turner write show meaningless rel basebal game overtim game that ti second left clock gimm break espn brilliant decis call contractu oblig major leagu basebal like isl cap game understand espn come espn commit singl telecast night and that bonu ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	trivia hab articl new cso uiuc edu cain uxa cso uiuc edu lord vader write that thi ask time wonder sinc heard hell nicknam hab come for montreal canadien advanc cain schneider answer faq for thi group nough lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing
rec.sport.hockey	schedul articl inn appserv eng sun mre teal eng sun mike eisler write philadelphia and chicago reason sportschannel for local basebal broadcast and local basebal pre empt nhl playoff into thi good point not basebal local nba basketbal game preced sca nhl playoff coverag ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	red wing goespel articl apr wuecl wustl edu mv cec wustl edu michael virata write don forget paul ysebaert devil good team player and dino ciccarelli and rai sheppard and and lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write true that vancouv not make playoff for year quinn year smyth divis lot mean lot tougher divis norri snorri divis vancouv had plai edmonton and calgari legitim stanlei cup contend time year detroit plai such powerhous toronto and minnesota edmonton even forc leagu and smyth even mighti san jose shark thar fight word forc geez miss playoff onc year and even make final time last year and think doomsvil thi period time vancouv improv norri loui detroit had improv competit divis had improv lot competit norri bryan murrai inherit team talent for good player had yzerman burr and probert and that and doubt will disput whether burr and probert that good rest green rooki wash veteran reason year murrai due coach demer last ounc effort team even coach began degrad fedorov primeau kozlov lidstrom silling konstantinov drake kennedi racin and chevelda pipelin due devellano murrai inherit gui addit yzerman probert carson chiasson etc number reason detroit wasn bad shape stand wise murrai vanc quinn outlin murrai not personnel work outset quinn except yzerman and player cannot alon make team into stanlei cup contend read thi will agre quinn had murrai detroit time advantag devellano good draft devellano had not demer request make oat trade gerald
rec.sport.hockey	bruin april mckee buffalo edu dougla mckee wrote doom divis not convinc sabr will win thi seri live buffalo life and last year playoff hell sit back cross finger and hope offens can score fear doug bruin toast statist team stanlei cup seri plai come back win and couldn happen nicer team crow boston fan had endur last month heart bruin fan you finish adam sinist chuckl jack laugh and world think you idiot roseread enter rose rosemail rosenet usenet gatewai rose media
rec.sport.hockey	bruin april wuziyun sune yale edu you wanna wrote provid bruin lost two game home and back tie seri road hope for bruin toast toast and you want eat word ain gonna happen golf cours boston area playabl condit jack acid consum time weight life roseread enter rose rosemail rosenet usenet gatewai rose media
rec.sport.hockey	hab win hab win april jbe jbe musicb mcgill wrote yahooooooooooooooooooooo game final beat diqu and hab domin thi game and you realiz that domin game and ahead thi seri glorieux plagu bad luck puck wouldn bounc lucki break win goal gusarov skate you lord and time hit post thi overtim and post game overtim hope that start get luck for chang plai thi game roi inconsist make nervou win thi seri sweat patrick roi provid consist goaltend and damn bruin lost congratul buffalo life doesn thi agre jack taglin bad miss carrier roseread enter rose rosemail rosenet usenet gatewai rose media
rec.sport.hockey	hockeytipset avgjort hockei tipset ren vinnar hockei tipset per bengtson gratti slutst llning per bengtson lar andersson ander engwal staffan axelsson patrik sander hannu hietanen ingvar khan noran tut jan stein roger wennstr lar thore aarhu fredrik nissen marek repinski lar wiklund lennart hedenstr vinnar och lycklig gare fbk mugg allt per bengtson kometen som ledd hockeytipset vid halvtid men som sedan fick vika ander engwal slutspurten tre rsta lyckad pricka den viktiga guld till bryn kansk var det att tippa slutspelet ock men man ser att den mna finalen mellan lule och bryn ist llet hade slutat till lule rdel hade det varit samma vinnar alla fall ljer korrekta svaren siffran inom parent anger hur nga som hade tippat detta anger per bengtson vinnand rad elitserien tippa den slutgiltiga tabellen ster bryn malm rjestad modo lule leksand djurg rden gle vilka kvartsfinalisterna vidar till semifin djurg rden lule bryn malm vilka lag final lule bryn vilka blir svenska stare bryn allsvenskan stra lunda hudding rkl ven aik team vle boden staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl apr ncsu edu delarocq eo ncsu edu derrel emeri larocqu write tonight boston buffalo sabr blank boston bruin tonight boston boston can hang thi season buffalo home record awesom thi great buffalo fan reveng for last year glad grant fuhr will never confid two win you take win defeat oppon each tougher obtain previou buffalo good start fuhr prove fuhr basher wrong boston good team gerald
rec.sport.hockey	bruin articl apr exu ericsson lmcmasc noah ericsson write post game summari for sabr bruin game grant fuhr rule gerald
rec.sport.hockey	shark jack feirerra shark kingston fire articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write articl lte kinn appserv eng sun mre teal eng sun mike eisler write don trade kisio intrins mistak trade for round pick worth lot round pick for playoff team fact intim that offer shark thi year for kisio greater round pick hindsight expect kisio career year kisio shark tank even earlier season and gund get joe murphi gui year shark make playoff gund offer million for murphi oiler want prospect shark declin give correct didn mean impli that gund offer wasn gund offer late season offer novemb let sather bui replac for murphi thi season and make playoff thi year march doesn sather object doesn long term object prospect draft pick and shark that get back game had kisio trade chicago last year shark for octob and gund panick sooner novemb and anoth twist chicago had kisio thi season never murphi place kelli season bigger gui chicago gund competit ferriera sather and keenan genius broken fax machin and ferriera keenan and kingston and even green lose job kind make you shiver doesn bottomlin for black scenario you can concoct for kisio leav can concoct equal bright kisio fiasco ferierra fall hope wasn trade kisio screw nonetheless ferierra and kingston and gund follow and gund exactli that caus you that you ferierra fire kingston last two basic mean that shark start term timet captur cup state frequent expans team had incept cup season broadcast home game game broadcast road pacif and mountain time game jack ticket price two year not that pai buck for seat virtual folk not prioriti not sell prioriti order for free jacket forc order ticket for season select section not park arena pai for privileg park lot sometim full for straight year loyal ticket holder sinc dai liter spring team announc and not get that loyalti return wirtz treat fan comparison and pocklington cheap tix owner edmonton oiler for playoff year stai edmonton isn suppos make neg comment signatur oiler fan you deserv stai edmonton part never king leav metro fun watch shark beat mike eisler mre eng sun not leaf team fan even intellig and insight pittsburgh player mighti bright mean wallet back jan brittenson leaf pen woofer rec sport hockei
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri articl mfpirbo wbli ispc andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu write person rare even don cherri and doesn don whether thi area pittsburgh usa that depriv broadcast whether canadian thing altogeth coach time and volum post sure get steadi diet question deal secondli comment that read net flame bait peopl gotta you sound ass miss detroit and hear don cherri quit regularli detroit area pick hockei night canada cbc windsor don cherri coach corner period don cherri grapevin game grapevin hockei talk show don talk player coach hockei pretti good show and don isn annoi coach corner thi don nicknam grape not don us coach boston bruin don exactli that fill thi info local radio station detroit wllz talk don tuesdai morn person had fill donni piss sometim detroit toronto game mondai night cbc don gave high prais doug gilmour two player and not design goal scorer and that player game that that fine and agre that gilmour good two player exact thing yzerman month ago local radio talk show set speech that citi citi don cherri insert star player name for citi that two player leagu todai time can rememb exactli that basic chang opinion match audienc talk net don critic mario lemieux time come for don broadcast cup playoff civic center pen will make wale confer don will apolog left and for remark lemieux opinion ass and won chang opinion citi thi didn answer your question had thi chest lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing
rec.sport.hockey	oiler for sale yadal ualberta yadalle dave write mill oiler move hamilton porklington can free deal labour relat and puck sigh relief thi can can element dave disagre you satan team and happi long oiler stai edmonton selfish true don want oiler move matter owner bart bart splung barto nait
rec.sport.hockey	atlanta abc affili suck knew despit lack full game telecast last week hockei for atlanta atlanta abc declin pick playoff game till and even show game and will continu skip half hour telecast thi situat compar rest georgia alabama etc pretti annoi pittsburgh had network preemptionchannel show netwoork show prempt local affili ask problem told that local rate not that bad nhl game shown long time promot syndic program afternoon low rate lose show nhl playoff told that had contractu oblig ask golf shown oin abc contractu oblig come and come contractu oblig didn come last week telecast couldn give coher answer ad that atlanta had highest neutral site game attend and that demograph good abc and network begin tie high rate program roseann thier sport program hope that atlanta read thi bboard call wsb and complain bitterlyt thi you will stop watch new telecast sinc unprofession handl thi situat ladi not settl singl reason sometim reason low rate anoth time contractu oblig
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question articl apr sei cmu edu caj sei cmu edu carol jarosz write watch penguin devil game last night slash that barrasso neck thi brought mind goaltend had jugular vein cut skate sabr not posit rememb name happen sinc player skate cut goali name info thi happen hockei game carol pen name clint malarchuk not heard extra slasher film brian
rec.sport.hockey	atlanta sportsbar pretti desper thi bboard post messag issu nhl telecat last week hei pretti desper interest not sportsbar multipl screen thast can watch game silent screen hockei orient bar thi area patrick divis adam divis fan satellit dish don mind pai admiss fee
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri articl mfpirbo wbli ispc andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu write person rare even don cherri and doesn don whether thi area pittsburgh usa that depriv broadcast whether canadian thing altogeth coach time and volum post sure get steadi diet question deal secondli comment that read net flame bait peopl gotta you sound ass miss for you complain don cherri and popular repli dick vital and john madden and bobbi knight and joe garagiola and howard cosel john madden pick gari clark redskin for madden team lot receiv for reason cherri sing prais doug gilmour gui heart doesn string american post that john madden lost marbl dick vital promot thi kid thi high school that colleg outrag statement american expect that canada not such charact relat greatest passion hockei canadian similar american cultur sport hockei and curl american footbal basketbal basebal and bowl gerald
rec.sport.hockey	bowman credit bowman not modern coach and patrick solut run team game dai and deleg dai dai responsib assist shrewd manageri decis patrick part argu gerald that bowman modern coach bowman canadien nhl team weight room coach that manipul press into spread fals game plan rumour import game listen pre game interview will bowman and compar that ic agre bowman master lineup rememb last year bench jagr set free jagr bang win goal thought thi trademark bowman and sign modern coach left ask modern coach not bowman jake
rec.sport.hockey	nord hab rob articl apr jarvi csri toronto edu yaska eecg toronto edu yaska sankar write paul stewart worst and bias ref present nhl rob patrick roi reason game lost and ron hextal reason quebec won don bui thi roi reason game ti and that not case had dionn cool roi stood head for minut game nord rush end end kamenski mini break ty goal and shot young excel chanc stop roi roi outplai hextal for game roi becom villain and hextal hero roi team didn make full us opportun whoa you effect impli that player plai store mistak that can us time th not roi villain you succinctli put allow cheap goal you roi outplai hextal perhap you tape game and watch minut period nhl goaltend make great save not not nhl place not expect goali make great save time even occasion requir come routin shot sakic such crucial time game don legitim excus hextal hand had lot lucki bounc descript lucki bounc hextal wasn brilliant plai not argu that hextal brilliant argu that rel weak wrist shot circl shold not result goal goal time stank explos team quebec gave opportun powerplai that total unnecessari goal game minut such thing goal not defend dionn for take penalti fact bonehead move led goal and montreal had two goal lead main concern second goal thi team loss leclair miss opportun bellow and brunet dionn bad penalti damphouss and lebeau silent carbonneau and savard step night roi gave bad goal roi mean can singl for thi loss you skater absolut true realiz that game effect won you watch hockei game fact you watch sport event period and spend hour discuss miss opportun not import final result decid time watch game and email you list lucki montreal bounc and list quebec offens screwup montreal lead minut goali last line defenc and will grant that extra attent focuss sometim justif roi gave lousi goal and team cannot afford such goal roi look player industri leagu sakic shot and hextal didn dionn goal care justifi lousi plai total unrel lousi plai hextal critiqu you you assess perform mind that made kei save kei time roi paid big monei that compar goali and top for record not that roi not top goaltend leagu fact agre that montreal media quickest heap prais and hurl derogatori comment hab uninform fan assum you refer point that loss can blame roi not suck made derogatori comment you regard object and inform fyi observ derogatori can you dchhabra stpl ist
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo sabr articl msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write buffalo fan red wing fan amaz sabr beat bruin reason for thi grant fuhr mogilni and lafontain hear you sinc not sabr dave vergolini michigan state univers vergolin euler lb msu edu pure and simpl grant fuhr monei awesom playoff last night mogilni score and russian friend kymlev fuhr biggest reason win and differ thi year team and previou year bill perri
rec.sport.hockey	ulf and allan sullivan allan ualberta wrote that leagu head you can fight retali cheap shot ref isn ulf brought thi high level player stuck past neeli prefer fight cheap shot disadvantag system let face cheap shot high stick effect method easier hide ref chanc caus injuri and you can draw peopl into fight that don that leagu good hit ulf last penguin devil game manag hit player face stick legal hit ulf clean player and allow thing that nhl hockei player care comment thi and end thi ridicul long discuss tom huot huot crai
rec.sport.hockey	ulf crush valeri zelepukin bill clare clare ssd kodak wrote that flick penguin game briefli and ulf cross check valeri face wonder don cherri thi coach corner and that infract thi type game come wake geez not player thi sort thing kind lucki game not that chippi state tom huot huot crai
rec.sport.hockey	coverag nhl blame sjg lehigh edu steven jai gibbl write lot complet ignor stuff pitt give thi gui drug test and ridalin whale you dvb
rec.sport.hockey	wash isl game articl apr staff dcc upenn edu filinuk staff dcc upenn edu geoff filinuk write espn back and stop post articl thi subject complain thi game that make sick gener agre you last night espn cut basebal tonit sportscent tailor basebal and cut pacif that quit contract espn couldn deliv had transist plan sportschannel pick slack nonetheless ultim fault american public that regular season basebal preced playoff hockei support your team support your game had excel idea that write chrysler for support hockei ad and that product equal excel idea watch basebal for minut ask lot that spew bag for write advertis and write letter complain that support basebal your displeasur and that you won bui product mike eisler mre eng sun not leaf team fan even intellig and insight pittsburgh player mighti bright mean wallet back jan brittenson leaf pen woofer rec sport hockei
rec.sport.hockey	trivia question goali you refer clint malarchuk that time plai sabr team immedi prior that washington capit recov and continu plai not present whereabout
rec.sport.hockey	berni nichol man thought don post simpli make fun player thi time couldn resist pen devil game last night second period kevin steven penalti box nichol punch kjell samuellson face rais stick two hand sword defend kjell and pound laugh and speak swedish penguin defensemen ulf get hand cheap shot get frequent and violent meadowland for offici last night ram butt stick devil throat support argument job irrit start push edg imho holik chop barrasso neck wasn sportsmanlik that beat penguin injur philosophi modern drama professor point dai jagr stone pretti tuesdai night and last night second danc devil end pretti excit matt uva
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl apr walter crai huot crai tom huot write hadn heard thi espn thi network suppos start sound great long cabl offer hopefulli epsn will us lesson master ted turner season ted introduc tnt cabl refus put that gee movi miniseri etc tb usa amc wgn wor anoth thi fall come spring ted fix red wagon good previou spring nba playoff wore tb tnt and and get tnt espn put nfl footbal and basebal espn and leav hockei espn and cabl plai game and drop espn favor espn espn altern basebal and footbal channel week espn gui collect gonad turner gui mike eisler mre eng sun not leaf team fan even intellig and insight pittsburgh player mighti bright mean wallet back jan brittenson leaf pen woofer rec sport hockei
rec.sport.hockey	list tee time metropolitan toronto golf cours for mondai articl apr julian uwo lee gaul csd uwo steve lee write articl spec euc noos ecn purdu edu stamber rainbow ecn purdu edu kevin stamber write kevin stamber purdu univers and phil kirzyc kielbasa kid will roam arena for interview woop thi rec sport hockei not rec sport golf hope you check newsgroup header time post steve leaf plai game watch that game hurt cheer ingo sune uwaterloo violent bodi iwweigel descart uwaterloo contact sport you ingo electr watstar uwaterloo watch lower your class iwweigel electr watstar uwaterloo paul fussel univers waterloo had opinion thi wouldn
rec.sport.hockey	espn care hockei espn pathet watch complain espn coverag and agre you suggest that get work noth knew that espn coverag suck mean you watch regular season sportscent coverag hockei suck mean suck espn not hockei shot ass piss last night coverag school ohio indian suck show bill clement shoot calm realiz that not show overtim cap isl game thought knew that thi happen fact remerb prai that even bore devil game espn not care show hockei not and firmli beliv that respect for fan contract oblig screw you espn prais hockei fan put thi shit hawk
rec.sport.hockey	montreal canadien montreal canadien fan can radio station plai playoff seri includ short wave radio frequenc lewisburg home bucknel univers not hockei town send respons malinich bucknel edu
rec.sport.hockey	wjr boston boston area you can hear ranger wfan and devil wabc whaler wtic and red wing wjr thi addit bruin weei move whdh fool weei own celtic and will show bruin time conflict you can wbal baltimor don hockei btw onc station indiana that had fort wayn comet game
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rec.sport.hockey	peter forsberg articl cvincent poolman uc mun cvincent morgan uc mun carl vincent write articl apr spang camosun freenet victoria tom moffat can give stat forsrg world championship sao mail freenet victoria tom moffat victoria canada top point getter world hockei championship forsberg swe sooo glad gui naslund swe rotisserri team mario vyborni cze slo bure gretzki neeli turgeon damphouss sundstrom swe lebeau and juneau dunno time lehtinen fin
rec.sport.hockey	octopu detroit valeri hammerl hammerl acsu buffalo edu wrote articl apr new clarkson edu farenebt logic camp clarkson edu droopi write fact tradit pass affili adirondack last final leg creatur hurl frozen pond and land feet ref lanc robert pass toronto even octopu aud last year bruin sabr game knew detroit version aud bit puzzl don puzzl bit call unorigin not bitter bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	nhl playoff result for game plai nhl playoff result for confer semi final patrick adam norri smyth buf lead stl lead win pit lead bo chi van lead nyi ti mon tor lead que lead det lead cal jersei devil pittsburgh penguin lead seri period pit mceachern franci taglianetti pit lemieux samuelsson barrasso period pit tocchet steven samuelsson pit jagr franci ramsei pit steven franci murphi pit mceachern daniel mullen period pit mullen franci barrasso powerplai opportun devil penguin shot goal devil penguin jersei devil terreri shot save billington shot save pittsburgh penguin barrasso shot save att york island seri ti washington capit period nyi turgeon king thoma period hunter johansson miller nyi turgeon thoma vask hunter johansson carpent period nyi hogu khristich cavallini bondra nyi ferraro flatlei hogu hunter johansson khristich overtim overtim nyi mullen ferraro flatlei powerplai opportun island capit shot goal island capit york island heali shot save washington capit tabaracci shot save att montreal canadien quebec nordiqu lead seri period que leschyshyn kamenski sakic que young lapoint que young lapoint duchesn period period mon bellow odelein que lapoint ricci powerplai opportun canadien nordiqu shot goal canadien nordiqu montreal canadien roi shot save quebec nordiqu hextal shot save att buffalo sabr lead seri boston bruin period buf preslei buf wood houlder sweenei period buf mogilni lafontain period buf hawerchuk carnei smehlik powerplai opportun sabr bruin shot goal sabr bruin buffalo sabr fuhr shot save boston bruin moog shot save blue second shot save att spike
rec.sport.hockey	espn care hockei jbrown vax cn muskingum edu write espn pathet watch complain espn coverag and agre you suggest that get work noth knew that espn coverag suck mean you watch regular season sportscent coverag hockei suck mean suck espn not hockei shot ass piss last night coverag school ohio indian suck show bill clement shoot hope thi make you feel overtim isl and cap great hang
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rec.sport.hockey	area code for edmonton alberta canada not phone book current inform not includ area code for edmonton alberta not hostil for ask simpl question stupid open moutha remov doubt mark twain you assult you year hockei minut thi great sport kevin frank kfrank magnu ac ohio state edu
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo sabr can sabr win two game bruin game buffalo will import seri sabr lose that game parti will will year kei for remain game seri will whether fuhr can brillliant goaltend and mogilni can continu skate bruin shown demonstr excel speed final sabr shown for post season sabr bill fan
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rec.sport.hockey	grant fuhr lead sabr buffalo seri boston and reason grant fuhr fuhr playoff hungri and prove onc call monei goaltend fuhr not goaltend leagu anymor statist prove that can make big save time leaf fuhr and had chanc powerhous detroit andreychok game can huge smile gerald face fuhr perform joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
rec.sport.hockey	goodby good riddanc lost star articl apr julian uwo kirk gaul csd uwo andrew kirk write back hockei north star move for past year shit real team toronto never move shit mean stanlei cup final coupl year ago shit leaf fan skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri articl mfpirbo wbli ispc andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu write person rare even don cherri and doesn don whether thi area pittsburgh usa that depriv broadcast whether canadian thing altogeth coach time and volum post sure get steadi diet question deal secondli comment that read net flame bait peopl gotta you sound ass miss ask and don cherri deni roger maynard and deni knowledg usenet conced that roger two poster net todai defens good offenc
rec.sport.hockey	area code for edmonton alberta canada articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu kfrank magnu ac ohio state edu kevin frank write ahold directori assist oper edmonton area code you mail directli time scan post appreci geez didn realiz thing bad ohio state that can afford phone book even oper thi clinton fault isn paul badertsch uwovax uwo
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rec.sport.hockey	shark jack feirerra shark kingston fire broadcast home game game broadcast road pacif and mountain time game jack ticket price two year not that pai buck for seat virtual folk not prioriti not sell prioriti order for free jacket forc order ticket for season select section not park arena pai for grrrr start nother topic show bad shark thing swear that partial plan game televis exagger order ticket price suck wait till peopl park game year public transit yeah love caltrain for hour hour game shell hundr dollar for partial season plan for two year doesnt mean shark pick seat dead rise grave claim seat frank frank giraff fgiraff appl pacbel ucbvax fgiraff noos narco militar tighten round neck worri burn flag and pee jar work job jello biafra
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rec.sport.hockey	espn articl usenet in cwru edu mac cwru edu michael cornel write usa todai late thi year question will hockei move espn permenantli will game week espn and bunch game espn and espn will launch earli septemb cap citi work cabl compani ensur good start base need for launch for brand cabl servic problem espn face tci cablevis connect merger prime and sportschannel network prime sportschannel will wrestl nhl espn season tci and cablevis control larg number cabl system countri total million subscrib tci cablevis will that espn never get ground successfulli and nhl will suddenli skyrocket thi cabl war prime and espn nhl vital surviv region prime sportschannel sinc virtual nation major leagu sport contract and cover local nhl nba mlb sport team ppv mark
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl playoff result for game plai april articl apr philab philip jpc philab philip john curcio write nhl playoff result for game plai april confer semi final patrick adam norri smyth nyi lead mon tor que lead det lead cal ti peopl not ti meant lead shoot you jpc john curcio bruin philip laboratori jpc philab philip scarborough road briarcliff manor
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rec.sport.hockey	ahl playoff result thur fri ahl playoff score round home team cap game plai thur rochest utica game plai fri binghamton baltimor moncton john springfield provid seri stati plural statu adirondack defeat cdi springfield lead provid binghamton lead baltimor rochest lead utica john lead moncton cape breton lead fredericton bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	oiler rumour team move press confer week allan ualberta allan sullivan write heard stori local sport new broadcast edmonton oiler owner peter pocklington will hold press confer week exact detail not believ concern oiler futur rumour that pocklington sign tent leas arrang copp collesium hamilton press confer pocklington announc deal quit that deal simpli forc edmonton northland renegoti oiler leas stadium northland offer bui oiler for million earlier offer reject immedi pocklington for opinion divid edmonton fairli support oiler even small market team had sellout even problem that team had thi year brought fan team larger citi hand team move place deserv hamilton that affect grand realign scheme bettman thi provinci govern ask opposit block deal that pocklington offer hamilton govern that pock don govern wasn pocklington want tori leader year ago dave shariff yadalle econ math alberta yadalle ersi edmonton god save queen god bless rememb jesu save live etern damnat newfoundland good clyde vote liber
rec.sport.hockey	calder cup schedul full calder cup playoff schedul and result home team cap necesari round springfield indian provid bruin springfield provid springfield provid provid springfield provid springfield springfield provid provid springfield springfield provid island adirondack red wing adirondack cdi adirondack cdi adirondack cdi adirondack cdi adirondack win seri baltimor skipjack binghamton ranger baltimor binghamton binghamton baltimor binghamton baltimor binghamton baltimor baltimor binghamton binghmaton baltimor baltimor binghamton utica devil rochest american utica rochest rochest utica rochest utica rochest utica utica rochest rochest utica utica rochest moncton hawk john mapl leaf john moncton halifax john moncton halifax john moncton moncton john moncton john halifax john moncton moncton john halifax cape breton oiler fredericton canadien fredericton cape breton cape breton fredericton cape breton fredericton cape breton fredericton cape breton fredericton fredericton cape breton cape breton fredericton note thi seri report that won thi seri origin schedul game wasn suppos tonight and oiler bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
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rec.sport.hockey	stan fischler articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write roger neilson not properti rumour candid coach flyer and will bring colin campbel assist thi dumb move nineti lindro big and strong give ball and chain leg and anchor drag compuwar activ scout phoenix for team hei nick and jimmi bui devil and fix gld not pocklington get pocklington doesn deal hamilton take team canada countri mad take team hamilton wouldn mad that isn mad and make lot friend southern ontario that whine stupid politician edmonton and fickl spoil fan wouldn notic edmonton wallow anonymn gerald
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rec.sport.hockey	sabr bruin buffalo fan peopl discuss group comment espn that game critic for sabr helloooo sabr ahead game not life long sabr fan awar abil choke not exagger that long sabr win game game game good shape ahead game game plai buffalo lose game and start worri game critic for boston not buffalo rob andolina randolin polisci umn edu
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write fuhr prove fuhr basher wrong boston good team yeh biran sutter playoff record head coach wasn impress blue team elimin earli playoff doesn thi trend will chang bruin bruin never come back win fall entir year histori doesn buffalo will lose two game aud fuhr stand head basic bruin will golf weekend boston area basebal crazi incred great start red sox record major leagu that caller bruin flagship station sportsradio talk red sox yap patriot upcom draft celtic and bruin schock bruin fold earli ppv mark
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl draft articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku shawn luddington write articl main main edu jon carr main main edu write draft thi year and will coverag upcom nfl draft espn detail paul kariya pick perhap won last long don exact coverag state canada cover tsn espn will grab coverag don for pick ottawa pick mean almost that alexand daigl will stai trade montreal quebec imo kariya alot leadership ncaa and world championship daigl didn show thi for junior team san jose will kariya tampa bai will for russian kozlov that defenseman rob niedemey spelt last name wrong shark lean pick rob niedermay center brother scott defenseman pick coupl year ago brought for physic tryout week ago read niedermay skater draft plai offens and defens and isn afraid physic plai defens shark pretti good term defens prospect rathj sykora ragnarsson and center kisio get small player shark just can pick anoth small player kariya bash oppposit and separ shoulder mark
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rec.sport.hockey	don cherri coach corner summari april summari don cherri coach corner april game broadcast region and calgari film toronto detroit game that night warn anti fight peopl want skip thi post topic don tie grant fuhr penalti wing leaf fight dale hunter episod summari thi episod began camera zoom don tie don point charact tie bug bunni foghorn leghorn and yosemit sam don call lanni macdonald ron maclean began mention that don almost evict hotel watch previou night game yell and cheer plai hunter and fuhr don began prais fuhr call greatest goali and that win seri boston show clip earlier episod nov jan fuhr leaf and don advis don trade fuhr don predict that buffalo get boston fuhr win seri muckler lot heat for trade don feel muckler vindic topic involv playoff game ruin penalti call show clip winnipeg vancouv game domi hit vancouv player and min penalti ron that call penalti stick involv don stuck opinion that good hit domi hit vancouv player shoulder don sad for hockei minut penalti for noseble playoff seri detroit and toronto peopl detroit call wendel clark wendi for not fight don point that probert not fight thi lead don into tirad fight and stickwork and ban fight lead high stick colleg hockei wee gui visor brave that you stickwork you won drop your glove and give shot rule made peopl don hockei final topic don discuss dale hunter don point that lead leagu goal and show clip hunter previou game younger hunter taught plai win differ todai idea let kid fun end episod show clip coach corner tape fast forward that don sound chipmunk rate typic anti fight postur not humour good quot give allan sullivan allan ualberta depart comput scienc univers alberta edmonton alberta canada opinion mine and mine alon amaz can accomplish care get credit golden bear hockei motto drake
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl draft nhl draft june weekend
rec.sport.hockey	goali stat articl smf access usask coulman usask randi coulman write path ctron new ctron noc net uunet utcsri newsflash concordia izar umanitoba access usask usask coulman coulman usask randi coulman newsgroup rec sport hockei subject final regular season individu goali stat date wed apr edt organ univers saskatchewan line distribut world messag smf access usask repli coulman usask nntp post host skorpio usask volunt verifi shot goal and save percentag number for can put stat archiv site contact mail you want volunt individu goali stat wed apr cst stat includ game and includ sundai previou date list verifi print newspap tuesdai don print shot and save percentag number not verifi stat mail weekdai and sometim weekend town and can late game result send note you receiv stat mail you question comment suggest randi minut plai goal shutout gaa goal averag win loss ti sog shot goal save percentag gaa sog player byron dafo har corri alessio mtl frederick chabot bo mike bale tor felix potvin chi belfour bo john blue chi jim wait pit tom barrasso stl curti joseph van kai whitmor buf dominik hasek bo andi moog cal jeff rees mtl patrick roi har mike lenarduzzi det vincent riendeau tor daren puppa det tim chevelda cal mike vernon nyi glenn heali buf grant fuhr nyr john vanbiesbrouck don beaupr min jon casei van kirk mclean chri terreri mtl andr racicot que stephan fiset phi tommi soderstrom pit ken wregget bo reggi lemelin que ron hextal nyi mark fitzpatrick win bob essensa win jim hrivnak min darci wakaluk wendel young bergeron craig billington stl gui hebert rick tabaracci buf tom draper nyr corei hirsch phi domin roussel nyr mike richter nyi danni lorenz edm bill ranford robb stauber kelli hrudei que jacqu cloutier har mario gosselin rick knickl pat jablonski artur irb har sean burk edm ron tugnutt ott daniel berthiaum phi stephan beauregard ott peter sidorkiewicz cal andrei trefilov har frank pietrangelo win mike neill wade flaherti jeff hackett brian hayward tor rick wamslei olaf kolzig ott darrin madelei ott steve week david goverd david littman randi coulman ari laboratori research assist depart comput scienc univers saskatchewan coulman usask saskatoon mike machnik machnik blue ctron nin merrimack edu cabletron system inc hmn
rec.sport.hockey	espn bash agre thouroughli screw damn contractu agreement show excit hockei game will lose fan espn for quit quickli decis thi chuck espn thi time atwood atwoodc csugrad edu virginia tech comput scienc depart
rec.sport.hockey	schedul articl apr new columbia edu gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write mre teal eng sun mike eisler write gld cunixb columbia edu gari dare write can that espn make sportschannel america good philadelphia and chicago reason sportschannel for local basebal broadcast point even area that final game nag back your skull network that nation right pocket sport new awesom overtim quebec citi and you updat show you that satellit feedhorn listen gui you can talk thi playoff small town southern illinoi school canada and that cbc and tsn game night you bar satellit watch game mon que and toronto and detroit not mention van winn and cbc show goal game that even haven miss goal playoff boi leaf ciao roger guagliano eastern illinoi univers
rec.sport.hockey	ulf and jpc philab philip john curcio write articl qmpfa qna alpha erau edu drozinst erau edu drozinski tim write ulf and pgh fan and piss adam grave ulf samuesson debat that ulf plai hard hit hockei noth wrong that grave win game intention hurt bite jeesu never thought dai defend ranger you don watch hockei you that grave goon hardest work ranger check that hardest work ranger had goal thi year not bad for check type player and show for singl game thi season unlik that stiff messier fearless and throw clean check will stand hit not that pussi oaf exactli point you watch game close you lot goon ulf main reason physic player for pgh left alon ulf plai rough hockei player put rush mario jagr you want penguin cheap shot goon jen caufield don tslander good defenseman your favorit player can beat pen even dive gartner for cheap penalti for slash lemieux fine cheap shot except not rule bet you mike gartner goon time that slash hell oaf arm last year suspens for hei that fine player stupid penal includ ulf mario you not like that happen for that matter pointless person cheap shot goon you cheap shot and you resomeon shadow ulf jpc john curcio bruin philip laboratori jpc philab philip scarborough road briarcliff manor tim drozinski drozinst erau edu chew electr death snarl cur spaceman spiff
rec.sport.hockey	ulf and william willi andrew cmu edu write richard wernick write stuff delet bruin meet pittsburgh futur you can bet neeli will dai sight watch ulf turtl coward worth almost stanlei cup stuff delet you watch and follow hockei pen and bruin will divis season will give neelei plenti opportun whine ulf can glad that you satisfi ulf turtl substitut for stanlei cup that close bruin come stanlei cup for tim drozinski drozinst erau edu chew electr death snarl cur spaceman spiff
rec.sport.hockey	selfish hockei fan articl apr staff dcc upenn edu filinuk staff dcc upenn edu geoff filinuk write tuesdai rain chicago espn provid bonu hockei coverag fan tick that wash replac angel game peopl realiz that basebal fan hockei fan basebal game schedul air and advertis monei paid can skip basebal game don you peopl chill and enjoi coverag you can partli ardent fan sport game nhl playoff game mlb season even game involv red sox espn had contractu oblig understand that part bit inaccur call selfish want watch watch game love basebal fan selfish piss cb for show approxim game per month don espn contractu oblig consum voic displeasur serv noth wrong that bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	ulf and joe pitt edu joseph stiehm write not belong nhl cheap shot artist histori game lot talant player bobbi clark kenni linsemen pie mckenzi chri chelio etc dirti cheapshot coward ulf violenc hockei curb and player women samuelson don belong player ulf main purpos injur player leagu allow continu and leagu won stop player christian pro aluminum stick direct ugli head trick nice bruin chanc meet pittsburgh futur you can bet neeli will dai sight watch ulf turtl coward worth almost stane cup thi wimp player almost ruin career winger game you remov ulf samuelson lineup penguin not even notic eyesor game hockei rich rich pull your head your ass joseph stiehm aluminum stick ulf head gonna solv problem violenc sport hockei hell can you gui goon and justifi your back assward mental that hurt player will solv problem asinin rule and refere system institut real goon ref watch plai suppos koharski and van hellemond name head ass call keep ey goofbal plai even linesmen call penalti improv tim drozinski drozinst erau edu chew electr death snarl cur spaceman spiff
rec.sport.hockey	espn thumb your articl apr wkuvx bitnet kozloc wkuvx bitnet wrote thi prove point cap game into overtim due contractu oblig switch fuck basebal for languag piss hell schedul game into overtim espn your head your ass lot hei american hockei fan hockei fan can sympath thefrustr that you feel problem that american don give shit hockei view bunch canadian bad accent and miss teeth beat shit each patch ic warm two third stuff natur hand basebal gasp swoon sigh nation pasttim basebal romantic that you suppos forget that sport exist april and novemb feel that sinc espn show basebal game week show hockei game open in basebal game hell game last hr min you miss hr and indian fan show end you start switch hockei fan basebal mighti sport jason jae andi bgsu edu whaler pick
rec.sport.hockey	usenet hockei draft final stand articl idacom andrew idacom andrew scott write final stade for usenet hockei draft congratul thi year winner dave wessel victoria parlai initi point into point team for enter biggest usenet hockei draft hope hear you thi septemb for annual draft usenet hockei draft stand week posn team total pt cash last posn dave wessel brad gibson dinamo riga interest note absolut recollect team pick player week start season and never touch roster wrap monei pool and decid not involv usenet pool andrew btw thing rememb team that had joe sacco and john maclean franci and kevin steven curious check final stand todai find amaz that absolut input initi team manag finsh not that impli for finish below ciao brad gibson brad gibson internet gibson geop ubc dept geophys astronomi main mall phone univers british columbia fax vancouv british columbia canada
rec.sport.hockey	octopu articl lmarsha cm wayn edu lmarsha cm wayn edu lauri marshal articl ssl eb spk filipow spk denni filipowski write door attend joe loui arena check fan for octopus not arena want peopl hide octopus everytim joe check purs and that place can put wing fan wai sneak octopus into joe you mean don strip search you and caviti check fool
rec.sport.hockey	pilon bite isl anoth defenseman insert into line pilon onc last night stupid penalti put isl hole for remaind regul and minut into overtim even isl surviv pilon blunder regul inopportun time for minut major penalti confront cote across bluelin pilon back and swipe cote nose stick arbour can pilon gui game line heard scott lachanc till seri bring back bammer dave langevin let island john scialdon scialdon nssdca gsfc nasa gov gambl hereabout for good solid year
rec.sport.hockey	team pool stand seri post island score rank team name point final roland behunin cal que que milton keyn king det pit pit barfli tor bo tor dean det pit pit lak bo lak garri tor bo bo brian bergman det pit det mopar muscl men chi pit pit last place pick chi pit pit dave wessel van pit pit sam dog det pit pit ding det pit pit tamper star chi pit pit mighti hedgehog myllyp chi bo bo homesick hawaiian van pit pit killer king chi chi puggi greybeard det pit pit ottawa bearcat tor pit tor andrew kirk tor pit pit muller walker det pit pit excalibur det pit pit redneck hockei hell det bo bo ranger chi pit pit jeff phelp det pit pit arctic circl det pit pit sludg det pit det logistician det pit det hillsid raider chi bo bo daniel chi que que stania star chi bo bo bloodhook det pit pit gill carmel chi pit pit pasi nti lak pit pit evan pritchard van pit pit skriko wolv det pit pit ranger blow cal pit pit sean det pit pit schott shooter chi pit pit gari shiff tor pit pit mike burger det pit det dars det pit pit mike burger canada includ quebec ontario mmb lamar colost edu maritim prairi and florida begin comput stud month year student serv royal canadian air farc univers michigan colorado state univers
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rec.sport.hockey	jet canuck jet hold win articl lsp new cso uiuc edu epritcha psych uiuc edu evan pritchard write will happi will good perform plai vancouv last night big gui for jet yep reason for rel quiet simpl last year woof canuck and domi plai last night didn notic ic domi toss high stick major had plai kri king and stu barn and thi line that arguabl two game glad found place champaign illinoi that satillit dish pick cbc vancouv feed and glad found hockei fan jet and canuck fan watch game good thing cheer help evan good thing net doesn voic oper won sundai night home hope white nois come thing will vancouv can steve armitag and john garrett broadcast team two bad you spoil don wittman time steve call barn selann whoop daryl turner contact for winnipeg jet internet umturn ccu umanitoba fidonet rout tkachuk zhamnov sel nne shoot score jet win cup jet win cup essensa for vezina houslei for norri sel nne for calder
rec.sport.hockey	sabr sweep sabr back beat bruin tonight sweep seri beauti goal brad lafontain set ly ic end fuhr left game game injur shoulder and lafontain bang sabr will week rest injuri not problem montreal edg quebec squar seri head for game hab domin two period and unlucki tie minut earli goal brunet won island won game seri goal rai ferraro cap simpli collaps take lead isl time playoff record vlad impal
rec.sport.hockey	and you espn shaft you watch cap isl game basebal game piss interupt such import game understand contract you claus contract import game blue and hawk fan shaft wors and watch game abc live central illinoi area subject watch arthritu telethon area that affect telecast not game hawk vision thi game had televis home hawk game shown area sinc thi televis bull stop not depriv game due skyrocket ticket price depriv watch peac hammer
rec.sport.hockey	pierr turgeon stud blue fan don leagu except hockei night espn can blue game school don lot team plai for hawk last night catch glimps cap isl game occur that turgeon stud skate move quick and brilliant you fan proud won game cap isl peac hammer
rec.sport.hockey	great comeback for sabr despit chang goali bufflo sabr finish great win boston sabr player contribut great win talent player includ mogili fuhr kemhlev and lafontin impress skill show art sport not garbag speech coach corner make hocki popular make hocki excit violent
rec.sport.hockey	ranger fan kkeller mail sa upenn edu keith keller write kwolfer eagl wesleyan edu write read hockei new don ranger fan write talk hockei don team fan ranger bite big yeah us even chang sig root for second favorit team thi system and big hockei fan and long suffer ranger fan rememb suffer build charact don care want cking stanlei cup die aargh happi win school pile higher and deeper long ranger fan suffer loyal unlik island fan show team win thi observ time true feel that alot peopl not thi statement worst band wagon fan pit fan present case point gui hockei hell pitt bout pen ing awesom yeah beat devil doesn mean alot wait meet boston and detroit playoff start playoff start uhhhh start week ago not that thi true waddler fan alot float noth hockei that newli belov waddler team game and not team fan will disappear into woodwork john flame dev null comment welcom eat rich stanlei cup team that can test pittsburgh and that detroit thi entertain and hard fought seri mario amaz keith keller ranger quaker kkeller mail sa upenn edu ivi leagu champ cow not vegetarian dish keith keller hockei hell jwodzia eng clemson edu john wodziak real black and gold memorium alan kulwicki space will triumph polish yanke mechan engin for pretend crown winston cup champion great person rent
rec.sport.hockey	bruin fan robbi rap psuvm psu edu write wonder bruin fan mean woof post regular season that fave team kick playoff and win stanlei cup noth wrong rant and rave curiou boston faith stop post mean haven even boston fan post cept for bruin fan that aren cocki golf don bruin fan sob beer busi post caught sig curs nelson ranger and hmmm bout dem whaler offens steveg hockei hell jwodzia eng clemson edu john wodziak real black and gold memorium alan kulwicki space will triumph polish yanke mechan engin for pretend crown winston cup champion great person rent
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rec.sport.hockey	finland disast finland beaten czech finland will pool and will meet canada quarter final wednesdai lack score skill major problem team finland tournament briza goali mvp czech team and tikkanen mvp finnish team jarkko
rec.sport.hockey	finland ketolain messi uku jarkko ketolainen write disast finland beaten czech finland will pool and will meet canada quarter final wednesdai lack score skill major problem team finland tournament briza goali mvp czech team and tikkanen mvp finnish team game finn plai goali chosen player oppos team finnish goali ketter elect finn thi goali good dai game finnish player lousi scorer quit goal score game gener except canada itali goali get good thi due equip get bigger cover glove bigger year ago rule goali equip chang thi mikko wihervaara jarkko nyt nen testi sigun kai piti olla muutamarivinen nyt viel pari
rec.sport.hockey	stan fischler apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write wayn made bed choos mcnall sather and hockei destini sleep whine ego absolut nonsens decis that made pocklington chose mill gretzki gretzki wasn upset not win cup submit that wasn worth mill thought support cast edmonton didn matter that show you think thought thought that can that you reveal your you don gretzki big deal complaint lemieux that dive last year patrick convinc twice accept bowman and hockei destini ego real purpos dive not attempt draw penalti player make checker distanc ref won fool can imagin expect lemieux chang game don you pick dimension rate type hull and salami cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
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rec.sport.hockey	goali mask poll updat curti joseph and rai leblanc made big move poll recent hextal shown strong movement kirk mclean and tom barrasso can ad list recent send vote current vote for favorit goali mask pt pt player team pt vote belfour chicago curti joseph loui andi moog boston brian hayward san jose ron hextal quebec grant fuhr buffalo gerri cheever boston retir john vanbeisbrouck ranger rai leblanc usa olymp mike richter ranger manon rheaum atlanta ihl don beaupr washington ken dryden montreal retir receiv pt mike vernon cal clint malarchuk buf ihl tommi soderstrom phil tom barrasso pit artu irb tim chevelda det sean burk rick wamslei tor ret jon casei minn bob essensa win glenn heali nyi toni espo chi gill gratton bo rod stauber gump worslei mtl nyr pat jablonski grant fuhr tor felix potvin tor stephan beauregard win mark fitzpatrick nyi chico resch nyi kirk mclean van skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	score and stand april world championship germani group stand munich group stand dortmund canada czech republ sweden germani russia usa switzerland finland itali norwai austria franc april itali russia norwai germani sweden austria usa czech republ april canada switzerland russia austria finland franc april sweden canada czech republ germani switzerland itali finland usa april germani franc itali sweden czech republ norwai april switzerland russia usa franc austria canada norwai finland april switzerland austria germani finland april russia sweden czech republ franc canada itali usa norwai april sweden switzerland finland czech republ russia canada germani usa april austria itali franc norwai playoff april quarterfin sweden usa russia germani april quarterfin canada finland itali switzerland czech republ april releg april semifin releg bronz medal game final staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	lemieux get hart jeez hope not articl apr unbvm csd unb patrick walker unb write canadian plai and watch hockei night canada never miss show that great pat guess sinc you plai you therebi qualifi expert sinc you watch game that qualifi you armchair quarterback coach potato not that condon violenc make except for mario pat walker evid kind expert you stupid statement mario defin player plai game not plai game come mind that question ask face return radiat therapi dozen game left overtak lafontain for score lead and buri guess lucki speak lafontain gui consid for hart trophi player leagu thi year
rec.sport.hockey	playoff stat sundai stanlei cup playoff stat game plai sundai april top point scorer rnk pt pim cty player can bo adam oat usa stl brett hull ru buf alexand mogilni can pit mario lemieux can cal theoren fleuri can tor doug gilmour can det paul coffei usa buf pat lafontain can nyi rai ferraro ru van pavel bure ru buf yuri khmylev can van trevor linden can buf dale hawerchuk usa stl craig jannei can bo joe juneau can cal joe nieuwendyk can stl jeff brown can pit ron franci top goal scorer rnk pt pim cty player ru buf alexand mogilni usa stl brett hull can dale hunter can pit mario lemieux can nyi rai ferraro can tor dave andreychuk can bo cam neeli usa jimmi carson usa que scott young top assist scorer rnk pt pim cty player can bo adam oat can det paul coffei usa buf pat lafontain can tor doug gilmour can stl jeff brown can pit ron franci usa win phil houslei swe call johansson can cal macinni top power plai goal scorer rnk pt pim cty player usa stl brett hull can dale hunter can cal theoren fleuri ru buf alexand mogilni can bo joe juneau can stl brendan shanahan usa jimmi carson tch cal robert reichel fin win teemu selann can mon vincent damphouss short hand goal scorer rnk pt pim cty player can cal theoren fleuri can pit mario lemieux usa cal joel otto usa cal gari suter ru det sergei fedorov can bo dave poulin can win luciano borsato can det shawn burr can stl dave lowri usa buf wayn preslei top game win goal scorer rnk pt pim cty player usa stl brett hull can nyi rai ferraro usa stl craig jannei usa que scott young ru van pavel bure can pit ron franci ru buf yuri khmylev can van trevor linden can tor dave andreychuk can dale hunter top point score defensemen rnk pt pim cty player can det paul coffei can stl jeff brown usa win phil houslei swe call johansson can cal macinni top rooki point scorer rnk pt pim cty player can bo joe juneau usa pit shawn mceachern fin win teemu selann tch buf richard smehlik top penalti minut leader rnk pt pim cty player can det keith primeau ru det sergei fedorov can nyi richard pilon can tor rob pearson can win tie domi joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
rec.sport.hockey	minnesota shame hockei fan back and maintain interest can hockei hinterland oklahoma hope can read you move north star dalla impress that minnesota possibl hockei state team move citi texa that owner greedi serv profit star not make profit citi own arena price goug nhl hour drive can feel for peopl minnesota didn support team opinion steve hunter nation weather servic nexrad radar group norman
rec.sport.hockey	blue playoff stat round blue playoff score end norri semifin name pt pim brett hull craig jannei jeff brown brendan shanahan nelson emerson denni felsner dave lowri basil mcrae kevin miller rich sutter bob bassen philipp bozon ron wilson garth butcher stephan quintal bret hedican murrai baron rick zombo curti joseph doug crossman ron sutter igor korolev kelli chase curt gile gui hebert rooki goaltend min avg save curti joseph gui hebert team total shutout shot goal period period period overtim power plai goal short hand goal empti net goal shot joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl edu blue
rec.sport.hockey	result april world championship germani group result sweden switzerland swi manuel celio swi patrick howald swi patrick howald sven leuenberg swe peter andersson michael nyland swi roman waeger martin rauch sven leuenberg swe jona bergqvist marku naslund swe jan larsson patrik juhlin swe mikael renberg thoma rundqvist peter andersson swi roman waeger swi felix hollenstein sven leuenberg thoma vrabec shot goal penalti attend refere sweden min rob hearn usa switzerland min switzerland beat sweden for time sinc and swiss small chanc reach quarterfin austria beat itali tonight swiss lead hakan ahlund made incred stupid drop pass blue line and celio alon soderstrom and beat tommi stick side swede continu make mistak howald allow skate swedish and put puck past tommi make nice howald enter swedish zone slam break and shot tommi post lousiest period sweden plai thi year second period swedish team and swiss had ic puck time nyland skate board pavoni made initi save peter andersson score rebound power plai goal swiss slap shot blue line hit two player goal and past soderstrom jona bergqvist made nice pass naslund goal jan larsson reduc lead end period skate unattack front goal and put puck pavoni hole period sweden equal slap shot renberg that trickl pavoni hole anoth defens mistak swede waeger allow skate swedish goal unattack and close rang make hollenstein score break and put top shelf chanc for soderstrom switzerland goaltend reto pavoni renatio tosio defens rick tschumi martin steinegg sven leuenberg martin rauch sandro bertaggia patrick sutter samuel balmer forward alfr luthi felix hollenstein roman waeger gil montandon roberto triulzi patrick howald christian weber andrea ton joerg eberl bruno erni thoma vrabec manuel celio russia canada can kevin dineen garri gallei can paul kariya eric lindro can eric lindro paul kariya shayn corson ru valeri karpov penalti ru min min can min refere anton danko czech republ attend russia made game tournei wasn win effect canadian gallei slap shot that found dineen post and dineen deflect puck past trefilov russian goal power plai goal coupl deflect eric lindro found kariya alon post and kariya put puck high slide trefilov russia won shot period and had score opportun couldn score second period lindro score goal kariya enter russian zone slam break past defenseman made nice pass corson stick puck deflect lindro time puck russian final goal karpov broke side and made slap shot tugnutt top hand corner player game canada vote paul kariya and for russia valeri karpov agre differ thi game lindro and kariya and part tugnutt kariya had game swede and impress kariya place line lindro mike gartner rib injuri earli period lindro btw lead point score pt thi game pt ahead player doubl player kariya amaz group result finland czech republ cze petr hrbek fin mika alatalo cze jiri dolez cze martin hostak penalti fin min cze min refere vincent moreno switzerland attend germani usa ger raimond hilger ger gerd truntschka ger ernst kopf ger michael rumrich ger benoit doucet usa derek plant ger dieter hegen usa craig johnson usa rob gaudreau penalti ger min usa min refere valeri bokarev russia attend staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	nhl playoff result for game plai nhl playoff result for confer semi final patrick adam norri smyth buf lead stl lead win pit lead bo chi van lead nyi ti mon tor ti que lead det lead cal toronto mapl leaf detroit red wing lead seri period det lidstrom yzerman coffei period det fedorov det yzerman coffei chiasson det yzerman coffei sheppard tor mironov gill gilmour period tor gilmour anderson det ysebaert kozlov det drake kozlov kennedi powerplai opportun mapl leaf red wing shot goal mapl leaf red wing toronto mapl leaf potvin shot save detroit red wing chevelda shot save att loui blue lead seri chicago blackhawk period stl hull brown jannei stl lowri period period powerplai opportun blue blackhawk shot goal blue blackhawk loui blue joseph shot save chicago blackhawk belfour shot save att lo angel king seri ti calgari flame period lak carson period cal otto robert macinni cal yawnei dahlquist ranheim cal reichel fleuri cal nieuwendyk robert musil cal otto dahl period lak carson granato shuchuk cal reichel fleuri macinni cal paslawski robert nieuwendyk cal fleuri macinni nieuwendyk lak rychel blake lak kurri gretzki zhitnik cal suter skrudland berub powerplai opportun king flame shot goal king flame lo angel king hrudei shot save calgari flame vernon shot save att winnipeg jet vancouv canuck lead seri period van ron courtnal linden period van courtnal win domi king barn period win numminen houslei selann van bure adam craven powerplai opportun jet canuck shot goal jet canuck winnipeg jet essensa shot save vancouv canuck mclean shot save att spike
rec.sport.hockey	question goali equip rule for goali equip chang that glove becom bigger and bigger time and pad and goali wear size jersei dream you watch photo film ten year back differ quit obviou expert thi goali becom bigger jarkko troubl score
rec.sport.hockey	king even seri stauer shine articl rfbldinn abyss west sun dvb ick david van beveren write vzhivov superior carleton vladimir zhivov write game report delet bad ref ing won affect thi seri two game thing equal wrong king put exibit hustl team plai and consist pound and back calgari seri ti game each final score goal empti netter conach thi not offici game report observ stand melros made wise decis and put stauber back goal robb had prove and stop face fierc calgari attack numer highlight film save king and fourth line rose occas plai rough avoid bad penalti warren rychel score game winner earli second period rooki defenseman alexi zhitnik score blue line late dave taylor awesom suffer broken nose partwai second pariod check into board robert and game back late and ic conach score empti netter period return bring spark crowd and player plai awesom defens king gui not produc goal kurri granato sandstrom robitail total point you forgot gretzki gui start score king will unstopp continu great defens work mccreari suck call mcsore for high stick ic and sandstrom for high stick ic miss flagrant stick penalti includ flame goali jeff rees granato almost blue line cross check call game inconsist seri ticki tack penalti and almost can nhl suppli decent offici sit directli across ic ron and nanci reagan empti netter score nanci leapt seat fist high air nanci thi seri close call tuesdai game decid expect king put vernon back even rees had two good game rees histor good thi second time lost thi move good for king sinc vernon such siev that stauber will call for king stauber will net tuesdai hopefulli will provid anoth stellar perform and earn name robb stopper stauber firswt two line king wake great you cannot depend pat conach and warren rychel for your offens expect sandstrom granato and gretzki put back togeth line earli season thi leav kurri carson and luc second paper two line power can make real thi gretzki and sandstrom put number peopl left carson robatail kurri line onc ignit will light fire line hopefulli king dvb evid that score drought get luc slight breakawai steam bench thi emot break streak notic blake had good chanc score fan shot wide injuri affect stompkin tuba calpoli edu
rec.sport.hockey	ettan nya indeln articl apr eua ericsson euaaen eua ericsson ander engwal write jag rst saken norra kiruna boden pite skelleft crif husum stersund antj sundsval timr stra mora vle avesta uppsala ping arvika grum rebro lag stra kvalserien vilka stra arlanda sby vallentuna ster ker danderyd aik hammarbi dert lje lje hudding nyk ping roma dra vita sten lndal bor stervik hanhal troja ljungbi rrum pantern lag dra kvalserien det rsta det principiellt fel att man har ndrat premisserna uppflyttn efterhand det andra kan man undra varf stersund och stervik skall fri fallet stersund det solklart fix ovan mnda problem med norrgruppen men stervik det nne att nyk ping skall slippa spela der vilket klagat ver vad tror man ger exempelvi tierp som kom stra kvalet kommentar att man skull bli tvyngen att ndra premisserna kund man int lista rhand huvudsak att man int flyttar ner fel lag stersund var solklar fix som sagt men stervik att det beror nyk ping tror jag int man kund lika rna flytta ner roma till dra iaf man efter bredgraderna mest ttvist vore att tierp och stervik upp men skull roma nyk pink vara eller int vara stra ock avg ra vad skull det det rsta felet med ret indeln exakt samma som rra ret fast rre det int tvist indelat sportligt sett vallentuna var match att upp till allsvenskan rra ret ist llet gick vle upp tror dem lycka lika bra aik hif ssk och hik ska platser man hadd placerat dessa var sin divis skull vara lvklara favorit till plat allsvenskan men ste vika var finn ttvisan det jag har att hik har mnat protest till rbundet ang end indelningen stra mitt rslag vore att orna varj divis kvalspela platser allsvenskan och efter jul skull man kunna ihop fyra divisionerna till der och norr bestraffa int ett lag som kommer trakt det finn nga bra lag kul grej som jag nskar att man inf rde att vinnaren allsvenskan spela slutspelet det skull bli extra krydda till divis ett ishockeyn lagen nde att var inom ckh till bucklan det skull kansk sikt ock kunna minska skillnaderna mellan lag elitserien och divis ett vad ander engwal email ander engwal eua ericsson ellemtel utveckl voic lvsj sweden fax dom som brygger pun ock ger pyanlektionor toll marek marek repinski eo ericsson man skall int anv nda mmand ericsson telecom ord man har adekvat inhemsk system design divis vokabul disponibel sweden gunnar emanuel str gur pbbxvr jnf fjrqvfu jbag uryc jvgu ebg
rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter quit long articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write apr sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startid ctr columbia edu ali lemer write not even bother repli your rant post letter address gari bettman not you can repli wish not your post address quot letter address bettman post pretti content entiti address put letter mail doubt will figur want peopl sinc topic that interest lot folk that purpos send letter bettman and guess you didn you not repres larg bodi hockei fan standard you care us defin larg peopl constitut noth tini group fanat and repres larg bodi hockei fan internet alon largest comput network world largest comput network world phrase definit internet not group that claim repres for busi whether not larg larg compar number folk send letter for chang name thi point and for curios thought offici definit larg dictionari read larg usual power capac scope exceed thing kind quantiti size idea letter bettman issu peopl sign peopl therebi valid definit wager that geograph rang signatur quit larg give larg scope impress size list name impress thi larg assum that you agre you write and not simpli pain issu hear speak person don whether not agre letter mix emot name and don make that difficult learn game shred valid chang paul francisco shadow angel cri catcher netcom front line assembl
rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter roger respons assum thi not flame bait roger held opinion articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write that letter impli represent view group that belong and don share view and don that major poster hockei share view and intent allow simpli ahead make feel subject clear for speak for didn feel import wouldn that letter impli represent view group that you belong repres subset that you don belong larger group you thi isn moder group wai state oppos viewpoint that come mind follow subtli result not clear directli polit result will spark interest convers directli and obnoxi result valid window agre that unwarr us term immatur you realiz that you can and will us you paul francisco shadow angel cri catcher netcom front line assembl
rec.sport.hockey	wing ogrodnick articl qfpfqak vot bpedd andrew cmu edu mike molloi mmaq andrew cmu edu write haven mention ogrodnick box score plai mike isn injur plai put into lineup end season murrai sit red wing hadn plai game second murrai juggl player wing domin toronto
rec.sport.hockey	shark review part left wing articl jsk appl chuq appl chuq von rospach write paul fugu data paul brownlow write wood plai junior career seattl lead scorer mediocr team trade rare lost fight and toughest player whl wood fairli small for enforc type mean fleuri pretti good job and isn that larg dodi fleuri and fleuri enforc agit for fleuri never and never will fight you wood closest fleuri fight game two year ago lo angel scrum and mcsorlei pinch fleuri head arm fleuri drop glove and gave mcsorlei weak shot side head mcsore know good thing pop fleuri ey end fight fleuri ten stitch for troubl player can theo fight cliff ron and even give two inch and pound alan
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write articl apr adob snichol adob sherri nichol write articl apr alchemi chem utoronto golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write john madden pick gari clark redskin for madden team lot receiv for reason cherri sing prais doug gilmour gui heart doesn string american post that john madden lost marbl john madden doesn pretend that madden team team player john madden doesn feel denigr player doesn choos for madden team madden demonstr knowledg footbal broadcast game don cherri doesn denigr player dive showboat wield stick weapon hide visor deliber attempt injur aggrav injuri not true fact case doug gilmour prais european that thing scum cherri opinion canadian kid that tough real canadian ulf samuelsson cheap shot mark messier rib and don ulf head doug gilmour break toma sandstrom arm and don sandstrom had come methink don confus bigot like us don cherri thought great start true color redneck and asshol alan
rec.sport.hockey	makarov articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write don shark dig into free agent market good free agent will requir quit bit compens and set shark back player develop rememb shark unwil give player addit million offer for joe murphi and that good approach sign sergei makarov thi season makarov wouldn requir compens match makarov offer real mistak dave king made thi year intellig sign year downsid career year million contract risebrough match offer king request and makarov spent last quarter season press box work ethic plain stink not mention that lost step and can longer into posit make nifti pass makarov will for free thi offseason agre pai contract ineffect calgari team san jose shortag talent taker and makarov doesn show improv train camp flame will bite bullet and bui makarov contract and releas current attitud detriment team alan
rec.sport.hockey	hart trophi stuff articl bkvinn abyss west sun dvb ick david van beveren write you nhl come mind gilmour gretzki mario mention mario you gretzki you haven you you gilmour you true maynard don even select hart deserv discuss thi group brainer agre that lemieux deserv hart brainer hart trophi player valuabl team not player leagu your arguement worthless pen mario damn good hockei team leaf gilmour fight tampa bai for pick mario deserv imho close race and gilmour victori not surpris dislik doug gilmour passion conced that extrem valuabl leaf alan
rec.sport.hockey	ranger fan articl apr eagl wesleyan edu write for happi ranger hire keenan bad that didn hire smith fire nielsen staighten babi thi team and made playoff thi team fire butt read hockei new don ranger fan write thi system and big hockei fan and long suffer ranger fan rememb suffer build charact final question team handl that last dread stretch know need offens bluelin didn mike hurlbut plai pretti call leetch joe kocur plai night not bob probert tough can plai come paul broten releg street cloth for end season plai heart and charact draw penalti and plai ic doghous for reason joe cirella ranger fan suffer loyal unlik island fan show team win stanlei cup team that can test pittsburgh and that detroit thi entertain and hard fought seri mario amaz kurt joe kocu plai night big physic gui and get fan into game big hit check and fist big advantag crowd help protect player notic fight kocur ic peopl start essa tikkanen slink kocur step big asset line and special situat plai
rec.sport.hockey	shark review part trade nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write acquir marcu thuresson island for brian mullen grade not impact thi trade thuresson not contract shark and not readi becom anytim mullen meanwhil had product somewhat season island thuresson not big scorer memori had point game swedish elit leagu thi season didn notic name frequent staffan report and didn make nation team not good sign marcu thuresson had goal assist point and pim game thi season for leksand swedish elit leagu thi point score for leksand marcu born rel young start produc shark bad trade staffan staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	and you espn shaft you articl rrhammer cmp ilstu edu rrhammer cmp ilstu edu write watch cap isl game basebal game piss interupt such import game understand contract you claus contract import game blue and hawk fan shaft wors and watch game abc live central illinoi area subject watch arthritu telethon area that affect telecast not game hawk vision thi game had televis home hawk game shown area sinc thi televis bull stop not depriv game due skyrocket ticket price depriv watch peac hammer familiar telethon situat individu compuserv victim and equal piss that local televis station contract not broken for that item strongli suggest you call that affili and vent your anger supposedli station had told friend that receiv hundr angri call will translat into incent pre empt hockei telecast futur contract written pathet wlaf that time slot tom galvin galvint tauru np navi mil
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl wavefront wti matthew wavefront wti matt coohil write gripe ing gripe live santa barbara for refer abc show king flame fine yawn espn fortun rainout basebal game show red wing toronto game cool swear that advertis week long had that espn show pitt tuesdai and bo buff thursdai race home work earli pacif catch game ala boston buffalo game and promis that show pitt game thursdai overnight chang mind rest delet espn never commit and never advertis thursdai game had origin schedul bo buf and that leak thi net knowledg espn never publicli releas schedul mondai announc pitt thursdai and boston buffalo saturdai tom galvin galvint tauru np navi mil
rec.sport.hockey	espn articl randolin polisci umn edu randolin polisci umn edu robert andolina write thing that confus espn that decid show penguin and devil thursdai night that two game domin pitt you that show game thi addit fact that show game for sake fair exposur nesn own right bruin telecast suspect that nesn sell telecast espn rememb espn own exclus right final not entir playoff sinc espn bought sca contract wrangl unti show devil and penguin you that can espn not show campbel confer game regularli two round that show campbel game two round seri wear game perhap game broadcast right factor come into fit western game time into current schedul nhl will make western club move game nhl shuffl deck for abc info abc coverag for thi sundai exact coverag last week pit game east chi stl central cgy mountain and west robert andolina randolin polisci umn edu tom galvin galvint tauru np navi mil
rec.sport.hockey	hab late articl apr newshub ist dchhabra stpl ist deepak chhabra write vincent damphouss decid vacat appar respect for power hockei god prevent comment and for comment whether gui damphouss trade for vacat not perhap roger demonstr contempt hockei god and pai for dare comment two mike eisler mre eng sun not leaf team fan even intellig and insight pittsburgh player mighti bright mean wallet back jan brittenson leaf pen woofer rec sport hockei
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo articl rap psuvm psu edu robbi rap psuvm psu edu write articl afpiknm wbli isj andrew cmu edu william willi andrew cmu edu you never appreci bob errei ring sparkl that locker room and correct wrong fuhr ring sparkl errei and doesn bob ring mike eisler mre eng sun not leaf team fan even intellig and insight pittsburgh player mighti bright mean wallet back jan brittenson leaf pen woofer rec sport hockei
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl hsdndev harvard edu nhma gauss med harvard edu mark shneyder write bruin never come back win fall entir year histori doesn mean sinc statist base game playoff format dark for disappoint problem mental need save blue perhap can offer mental ralli you get start game hope blue team can ralli moog can jan brittenson bson gnu mit edu
rec.sport.hockey	pen fan reaction impress bowman coach tactic had answer for move that brook thrown pen susan dart such jake
rec.sport.hockey	flame final king destroi vzhivov superior carleton vladimir zhivov write flame final score calgari thing back belong gretzki didn plai kelli hrudei hope flame put timer asap vlad impal last coupl month kinng fail show game last night that game jon
rec.sport.hockey	shark jack feirerra shark kingston fire articl jgl appl chuq appl chuq von rospach write snichol adob sherri nichol write ferreira had trade number veteran margin contribut fire not clear that thi margin contributor not forget that ferreira thi close trade kelli kisio rumor heard true strong object aspect shark manag and had lot ouster and head consensu orient imagin for second shark todai that fax machin hadn jam hand hard press real mistak fereirra made imagin benefit hindsight that view shark upper manag attempt trade kisio major factor decis fire feirerra inclin exactli opposit view luckiest man hockei sacrific made muse fax job guess fun gak richard stueven aha erect multitud internet gak wr offic and hither swarm attmail attmail gakhau gak sharx offic harass peopl cow palac and eat substanc
rec.sport.hockey	lemieux get hart jeez hope not articl apr unbvm csd unb patrick walker unb wrote hart gretzki not million year not thi year hasn plai year yzerman nice don consist not thought mario jesu bad for utter word extrem sick and piss gui luber becom stuntman retir jeez expericen fall oop stick didn come anywh gotta fall penalti team annual whine thon todai host jerri lewi canadian plai and watch hockei night canada never miss show not home team final and hockei fan for ten minut give king break thi mario player gretzki die bobbi clark and broadstreet bulli whous mario bounc puck not that condon violenc make except for mario mario complain hit give and scotti real complain rambl you can hate mario pat walker unb you mario lemieux anoth planet differ that lemieux come geo washington ab lincoln and great men and women thi world you come david koresh yeah mario good draw penalti wouldn you you claim plai give your team advantag don rememb lemieux get dive penalti thi year final mario never complain hit part game get back dish even bigger hit gui score goal set don you compass for man life georg
rec.sport.hockey	articl bigboot wpi edu ching bigwpi wpi edu logistician write player wear nhl rai borqu for bruin greatli appreci logistician reign suprem blue tiger piston lion red wing ching wpi wpi edu pierr turgeon nyi and paul coffei detorit hope thi anson
rec.sport.hockey	pen fan reaction terenc rokop write richard coyl write that not calm boredom and spoil arena quiet church night thi year win for grant seemingli forev sinc team lost and forgotten feel real excit and surpris victori don agre thi high rate cup pen won didn watch mario and skate thing ic question whether not thirti year young hockei fan million will watch thi team that plai for nervou devil blast shot barrasso final second game fun not bore peopl that win second cup noth will top that bit excit thi year and experienc that calm susan origin refer calm not boredom arena gener bore richard that that season attribut lot fan don spirit and knowledg long time fan last tuesdai game overheard man express surpris that goaltend can assist follow sport regular that can happen time confid pen not stupid for minut that imposs for jersei blow thi seri doubt that will happen bore spoil not forgot excit live that amaz streak wasn excit don darn thing for grant god chicago and problem quietli savor thi isn gonna last forev and intend enjoi can mom
rec.sport.hockey	nhl alltim score leader nhl alltim leader goal and point end season joseph achkar carl note activ player player that score point past season point leader follow goal leader you find mistak send email time nhl lead goal scorer denot activ player gordi how det hfd wayn gretzki edm marcel dionn det nyr phil esposito chi bo nyr bobbi hull chi wpg hfd mike gartner wsh min nyr mike bossi nyi gui lafleur mtl nyr que johnni bucyk det bo mauric richard mtl stan mikita chi frank mahovlich tor det mtl michel goulet que chi jari kurri edm bryan trottier nyi pit gilbert perreault buf jean beliveau mtl lanni mcdonald tor col cgy jean ratel nyr bo norm ullman det tor dino ciccarelli min wsh det darryl sittler tor phi det mario lemieux pit glenn anderson edm tor alex delvecchio det mark messier edm nyr dale hawerchuk wpg buf rick middleton nyr bo steve yzerman det peter stastni que rick vaiv van tor chi buf joe mullen stl cgy pit yvan cournoy mtl dave taylor steve shutt mtl deni savard chi mtl bill barber phi brian propp phi bo min gari unger tor det stl atl edm rod gilbert nyr steve larmer chi john ogrodnick det que nyr activ player berni nichol nyr edm pat lafontain nyi buf brian bellow min mtl dave andreychuk buf tor tim kerr phi nyr hfd bobbi smith min mtl brett hull cgy stl luc robitail mike foligno det buf tor dave christian wpg wsh bo stl chi paul coffei edm pit det brent sutter nyi chi pat verbeek hfd ron franci hfd pit cam neeli van bo rai bourqu bo bob carpent wsh nyr bo tor brent ashton van col min que det wpg bo cgy doug gilmour stl cgy tor rick tocchet phi pit kevin dineen hfd phi toma sandstrom nyr dale hunter que wsh ryan walter wsh mtl van brian mullen wpg nyr nyi olczyk chi tor wpg nyr kirk muller mtl joe nieuwendyk cgy jimmi carson edm det time nhl score leader denot activ player wayn gretzki edm gordi how det hfd marcel dionn det nyr phil esposito chi bo nyr stan mikita chi bryan trottier nyi pit johnni bucyk det bo gui lafleur mtl nyr que gilbert perreault buf alex delvecchio det jean ratel nyr bo mark messier edm nyr norm ullman det tor peter stastni que jean beliveau mtl dale hawerchuk wpg buf bobbi clark phi paul coffei edm pit det deni savard chi mtl jari kurri edm mario lemieux pit bobbi hull chi wpg hfd berni federko stl mike bossi nyi michel goulet que chi darryl sittler tor phi det mike gartner wsh min nyr frank mahovlich tor det mtl rai bourqu bo dave taylor deni potvin nyi henri richard mtl steve yzerman det bobbi smith min mtl rod gilbert nyr glenn anderson edm tor lanni mcdonald tor col cgy rick middleton nyr bo dave keon tor hfd ron franci hfd pit berni nichol nyr edm brian propp phi bo min andi bathgat nyr tor det pit mauric richard mtl larri robinson mtl dino ciccarelli min wsh det steve larmer chi joe mullen stl cgy pit bobbi orr bo chi brad park nyr bo det butch gore nyi bo bill barber phi denni maruk cal cle wsh min ivan boldirev bo cal chi atl van det yvan cournoy mtl dean prentic nyr bo det pit min ted lindsai det chi tom lysiak atl chi dale hunter que wsh john tonelli nyi cgy chi que jacqu lemair mtl larri murphi wsh min pit john ogrodnick det que nyr doug wilson chi doug gilmour stl cgy tor red kelli det tor pierr larouch pit mtl hfd nyr berni geoffrion mtl nyr steve shutt mtl phil houslei buf wpg wilf paiment col tor que nyr buf pit peter mcnab buf bo van brian bellow min mtl dave andreychuk buf tor pit martin det bo chi van pat lafontain nyi buf ken linesman phi edm bo gari unger tor det stl atl edm ken hodg chi bo nyr neal broten min wayn cashman bo rick vaiv van tor chi buf borj salm tor det jean pronovost pit atl wsh peter mahovlich det mtl pit dave christian wpg wsh bo stl chi rick keho tor pit rick macleish phi hfd pit det thoma steen wpg activ player macinni cgy luc robitail mike foligno det buf tor brent sutter nyi chi mark how hfd phi det kirk muller mtl tim kerr phi nyr hfd adam oat det stl bo randi carlyl tor pit wpg ryan walter wsh mtl van pat verbeek hfd brent ashton van col min que det wpg bo cgy bob carpent wsh nyr bo tor brian mullen wpg nyr nyi olczyk chi tor wpg nyr kelli kisio det nyr brett hull cgy stl rick tocchet phi pit dan quinn cgy pit van stl phi min scott steven wsh stl toma sandstrom nyr tom fergu bo tor van dave babych wpg hfd van mike ridlei nyr wsh lauri boschman tor edm wpg ott keith acton mtl min edm phi murrai craven det phi hfd kevin dineen hfd phi rob ramag col stl cgy tor min mike krushelnyski bo edm tor gari suter cgy pierr turgeon buf nyi troi murrai chi wpg cam neeli van bo geoff courtnal bo edm wsh stl van vincent damphouss tor edm mtl jimmi carson edm det peter zezel phi stl wsh tor gui carbonneau mtl mark osborn det nyr tor wpg chri chelio mtl chi dave poulin phi bo rai ferraro hfd nyi russ courtnal tor mtl min joe nieuwendyk cgy john maclean
rec.sport.hockey	espn want show good game put quebec montreal game talk bout areivalri opp rivalri roland roland
rec.sport.hockey	nhl draft ariel yorku shawn luddington write for pick ottawa pick mean almost that alexand daigl will stai trade montreal quebec dunno hat friend geni that ottawa soft daigl and think hard pronger daigl shown attitud part thi season folk havn like and come back second multi game suspens for stupid tank perform stock drop rock rememb that lot teh draft stuff come assumpt trade quebec for lot prospect not clear that quebec will pai lot for current statu round don pick lock mean thi point that senat postur bring sign price sinc daigl take lindro lesson tho suspens imo kariya alot leadership ncaa and world championship daigl didn show thi for junior team san jose will kariya kariya won for simpl reason not leav colleg and don expans team us for won for anoth year two not equal good almost good stuff that can make impact san jose lean heavili niedermay for that reason kariya team can convinc leav school earli doubt cut thing stand todai draft order ottawa daigl not pronger san jose niedermay ottawa skip daigl open depend shark can deal for don draft tampa bai ottawa doesn koslov chuq imho von rospach esd support train dal aux chuq appl member sfwa editor otherrealm geni mac bigot alink chuq minor leagu fan minor request medraut appl san jose giant san francisco giant fan giant request medraut appl stick not san jose shark fan shark request medraut appl seat tbd
rec.sport.hockey	shark kingston fire spiegel sgi msd lmsc lockhe mark spiegel write gaetz not back year event shark pick gaetz won back rumor offici releas end season contract expir haven confirm clear talk shark doctor that wasn make for and shark sign contract problem compet ihl level thi spring doesn make sens chuq imho von rospach esd support train dal aux chuq appl member sfwa editor otherrealm geni mac bigot alink chuq minor leagu fan minor request medraut appl san jose giant san francisco giant fan giant request medraut appl stick not san jose shark fan shark request medraut appl seat tbd
rec.sport.hockey	bruin joe pitt edu joseph stiehm write come boston hell you win row and choke anoth brian sutter team ground into dirt intens regular season and burn playoff time yah fuhr awesom you sutter learn lesson push team regular season stuart esrock bowl green state bout blue
rec.sport.hockey	camera work televis game articl apr vax cit cornel edu yecx vax cit cornel edu write camera work game sad can rememb time penguin devil game show gui puck check corner puck fire goal fact even miss goal complet show two gui hold each corner last time watch footbal game didn show lineman run back turn corner for touchdown greg espn thing follow puck concept televis hockei game main problem hockei that difficult show that happen puck sport footbal and can iso footbal player shown plai problem that sometim you worthwhil time you burn tom galvin galvint tauru np navi mil
rec.sport.hockey	joseph and blue shut warthawk blue cleveland freenet edu jim schenk write last point darryl sutter get badli coach bob berri madder darryl get remind brian hawk quickli loos thier focu don blue will win you never not sutter bash sinc idol player you sutter learn burn team regular season intens regular season earlier post note brian and think read thi item gee sutter won divis and lost home ic advantag and get smoke open seri playoff kind make you bottom line man great smoke warthawk agre jim thi damn sweet thing that come close thi shut mapl laugh fan detroit complet kick ass will stick blue for provid playoff tonic stuart esrock bowl green state you blue
rec.sport.hockey	playoff consecut loss record recent demis chicago blawkhawk delight notic game playoff lose streak pen last year and blue and wonder nhl record for consecut loss even pretti that hawk game lose streak sinc had lost seri sinc last championship whenev that basic rag hawk fan friend mike insomniac rush marillion emerson lake and palmer genesi dream theater mike weintraub aka jvi irc sig quot jour mweintr american edu life scissor paper jedi wave cerf net stone game answer american univers sometim washington each neil peart rush philadelphia philli and vancouv canuck
rec.sport.hockey	lemieux get hart jeez hope not articl apr unbvm csd unb patrick walker unb write hart gretzki not million year not thi year hasn plai year yzerman nice don consist not thought mario jesu bad for utter word extrem sick and piss gui luber rambl you can hate mario pat walker unb not bother reprint your pathet excus for post mario fan not you respect can blade for hart trophi guess win score titl twenti dai cancer lead team presid trophi and break win streak record process shouldn even qualifi for award year tend game barrasso rest realist mario earn accolad and deserv attent that get lose jealou attitud and you start enjoi hockei finest maze
rec.sport.hockey	belfour and roenick playoff houdini belfour and roenick anoth disappear act chip time look blackhawk defens carri playoff held loui shot game and lost keenan had insight
rec.sport.hockey	ranger fan articl apr alleg edu ballb rei alleg edu brett ball write articl apr eagl wesleyan edu write for happi ranger hire keenan bad that didn hire smith fire nielsen staighten babi thi team and made playoff thi team fire butt read hockei new don ranger fan write thi system and big hockei fan and long suffer ranger fan rememb suffer build charact final question team handl that last dread stretch know need offens bluelin didn mike hurlbut plai pretti call leetch joe kocur plai night not bob probert tough can plai come paul broten releg street cloth for end season plai heart and charact draw penalti and plai ic doghous for reason joe cirella ranger fan suffer loyal unlik island fan show team win stanlei cup team that can test pittsburgh and that detroit thi entertain and hard fought seri mario amaz kurt joe kocu plai night big physic gui and get fan into game big hit check and fist big advantag crowd help protect player notic fight kocur ic peopl start essa tikkanen slink kocur step big asset line and special situat plai thi fast game goon admit kocur fan into game sure broten take pass kovalev and score breakawai goal put ranger magic goal period kocur anoth stupid penalti and ranger give anoth powerplai goal ranger anoth top flight center can pressur messier and line nemchinov perfect line center beezer richter kurt
rec.sport.hockey	binghampton ranger playoff game msg will televis binghampton ranger playoff game even tape replai nice
rec.sport.hockey	pen broadcast articl mfqk awn sskqm andrew cmu edu nathan robert peter andrew cmu edu write rumor pittsburgh that penguin broadcast chang season rumor kbl leadership compani broadcast pen game limit love broadcast mike lang radio and hire don cherri broadcast partner thi mean paul stiegerwald fire good riddanc thi lang fun broadcast listen and pen game wouldn hear cherri doesn high opinion lemieux ulf sammuelsson jaromir jagr suppos broadcast game that larg number digit paycheck and not binari don fan ulf jaro and mario nate peter lifetim penguin fan even kevin stamber purdu univers top reason pittsburgh penguin won patrick divis strong desir cup back your neighborhood eat park special cook
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens person expect moog blue plai fairli decent alright spectacular time game moog experi blue for noth happen tie game prssure goal tender insur that you puck your team score blue didn face that kind pressur tuesdai bruin will come storm that for that thi seri buffalo boston for two bad pass game hasn plai that bad believ statist you that your puck fuhr sooner shoot game plan sound lead and control tempo imho pat elli bruin umain black bear number hockei east regular season champion hockei east tournament champion paul kariya hobei baker award winner ncaa div hockei tournament champion ggggooooooo bbbllluueeee
rec.sport.hockey	oiler for sale golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olchowi write probabl that oiler not anywher gerald happen star dalla pocklington chosen thi moment make last stand moment maximum advantag provinci govern month provinci elect moment maximum power convinc northland give arena deal purchas price and nhl collect agreement player involv enhanc revenu share gerald alberta elect slate fou june alli wrong thi time pocklington end embarass klein ahead ultimatum pocklington thing stupid not gerald peopl ax grind thi gui cannot stai for long can dictat term citi will pai price edmonton doesn peopl edmonton won budg trust thi edmonton intern airport and surrend supremaci calgari and year edmonton hard hit govern cutback will screw recogniton manag find lose hockei team northland continu us oiler subsid hors race northland won budg ccord board member bruce campbel thi case long term financi viabil oiler fact that pocklington basic own team and provok crisi team accumul million dollar loss becom habitu uncompetit lack monei haven heard attend coliseum lowest thi year hint hint remeb person vendetta sather job oiler pois competit strachan knowledgebl hockei writer canada post mortem oiler season globe and mail recent agre gerald don blame sather thi battl peol and pocklington start and worst pocklington sold gretzki dai you can shake hand pocklington respectalb us season dai goe gerald btw delet name post writer dave shariff yadalle econ math alberta yadal amisk ualberta god save queen god bless rememb jesu save live etern damnat newfoundland good clyde vote liber
rec.sport.hockey	leaf favour articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write onc leaf overcam red wing possibl excit game plai thi playoff year potvin solid and wendel complet domin probert gilmour usual player ic and claim that andreychuk fade playoff note andreychuk averag goal game star andreychuk goal wendel probert probert todd gill plai excel game can doug gilmour gilmour bring mind davei keon previou leaf dynasti predict track nyi buffalo and leaf king leaf nyi final can thi pass island past pitt assum isl beat cap god will isl will crush leaf flame shield ask interject opinion matter concern island jet for cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time
rec.sport.hockey	berni nichol man matthew rush start push edg imho holik chop barrasso neck wasn sportsmanlik that beat penguin injur philosophi pretti obviou that holik hit barrasso accid even apolog for immedi penguin jump ralph
rec.sport.hockey	hawk articl netnew upenn edu ldecock mail sa upenn edu luke decock wrote player hawk lost screw peluso hapless blue lost steven and gave oat blue won thi you kid lose steven blue shanahan and joseph trade oat for jannei hawk fan you respect hapless name let score game win overtim goal game luke decock ldecock mail sa upenn david howarth howarth sbctri sbc southwestern bell technolog resourc inc advanc technolog laboratori pine loui
rec.sport.hockey	fuhr deserv credit sabr sweep fuhr role articl revcrinneij shellei washington edu lzuo byron washington edu joseph write articl randolin polisci umn edu randolin polisci umn edu robert andolina write peopl suggest that fuhr plai reason that sabr beat bruin fuhr critic factor not overlook fact that sabr final score peopl mogilni and lafontain khmylev sweenei hawerchuck etc lafontain plai hurt and didn score goal team plai defens not great regular season fuhr deserv lot credit not robert agre thi fuhr contribut for sabr win palyer team mogilni had six goal game includ two goal for great comeback final win fuhr had left kei for sabr win boston team strong commit underdog and talent player includ mogilni and fuhr that grant fuhr deserv credit that true that entir sabr team plai that wasn for grant fuhr seri ti virtual stole game and for sabr game fuhr stood head give sabr chanc win game fuhr made seri huge stop period score ti even game sabr won score that sabr domin hadn for fuhr sabr wouldn period and bruin wouldn had open game therebi allow mogilni score goal breakawai salt game doubt mind that fuhr critic factor victori opinion neeli oat and juneau plai lafontain mogilni and hawerchuk sabr extraordinari effort hannan sweenei wood and khmylev compar that bruin checker bruin defens imo plai sabr defens sabr ken sutton plai regular shift afteral differ seri fuhr outplai andi moog gari sabr
rec.sport.hockey	minnesota shame articl xpu constel ecn uoknor edu hunter nsslsun nssl uoknor edu steve hunter write hockei fan back and maintain interest can hockei hinterland oklahoma hope can read you move north star dalla impress that minnesota possibl hockei state team move citi texa that owner greedi serv profit star not make profit citi own arena price goug opinion hockei fan terribl thing hei give hockei team citi that don that fine anoth team thrive hockei town and move will real insid stori group minneapoli businessmen told green repeatedli that purchas remain season ticket level that green want refus time pretti obviou that determin minneapoli cost and us season ticket thing excus fortun penultim game and fan great peopl tailgat and plai roller hockei park lot game attend full sro and atmospher centr terrif minnesota hockei usa nhl can blith major leagu team move hope team ali ali procrastin lemer gave nhl commission gari bettman puck columbia univers nyc onc spent rest dai phoenix ctr columbia edu open pat william orlando magic kind anim hug hockei player
rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter quit long articl apr sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startid ctr columbia edu ali lemer write hei didja hear that fanat cool can acr compound replet weapon and ammo cach barbequ ali can thi get attent thi group playoff ali you blabber moron you wait till end playoff start your dumb letter campaign ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	ahl playoff result concret score for sat game ahl playoff score round home team cap game plai sat baltimor binghamton rochest utica springfield provid seri stati plural statu adirondack defeat cdi springfield defeat provid binghamton ti baltimor rochest defeat utica john lead moncton cape breton defeat fredericton bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	calder cup playoff schedul full calder cup playoff schedul and result home team cap necesari round springfield indian provid bruin springfield provid springfield provid provid springfield provid springfield springfield provid springfield provid springfield win seri island adirondack red wing adirondack cdi adirondack cdi adirondack cdi adirondack cdi adirondack win seri baltimor skipjack binghamton ranger baltimor binghamton binghamton baltimor binghamton baltimor baltimor binghamton baltimor binghamton binghmaton baltimor baltimor binghamton utica devil rochest american utica rochest rochest utica rochest utica rochest utica rochest utica rochest win seri moncton hawk john mapl leaf john moncton halifax john moncton halifax john moncton moncton john moncton john halifax john moncton moncton john halifax cape breton oiler fredericton canadien fredericton cape breton cape breton fredericton cape breton fredericton cape breton fredericton cape breton won bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	score and stand april world championship germani group stand munich group stand dortmund canada czech republ russia finland sweden usa itali germani switzerland franc austria norwai april itali russia norwai germani sweden austria usa czech republ april canada switzerland russia austria finland franc april sweden canada czech republ germani switzerland itali finland usa april germani franc itali sweden czech republ norwai april switzerland russia usa franc austria canada norwai finland april switzerland austria germani finland april russia sweden czech republ franc canada itali usa norwai april sweden switzerland finland czech republ russia canada germani usa april austria itali franc norwai playoff april quarterfin april quarterfin april releg april semifin releg bronz medal game final staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	result april world championship germani group result russia switzerland ru alexei yashin ru alexei yashin ru ilia biakin ru andrei khomutov ru ilia biakin ru sergei sorokin penalti ru min min game penalti swi min refere rob hearn usa attend canada austria can shayn corson can rod brind amour can paul kariya can gerri gallei can eric lindro can rod brind amour can eric lindro can eric lindro can brian savag can brian ben can geoff sanderson penalti can min aut min attend usa franc fra antoin richer usa adam burt usa rob gaudreau usa jeff lazaro usa adam burt usa shjon podein usa rob gaudreau penalti usa min fra min refere darren loraa canada attend finland norwai fin juha riihijarvi fin kari harila penalti fin min min refere sven erik sold sweden attend goal scorer eric lindro can rod brind amour can dieter hegen ger andrei khomutov ru geoff sanderson can ilia biakin ru adam burt usa viacheslav bykov ru jiri dolez cze mike gartner can rob gaudreau usa patrik juhlin swe frank pajonkowski fra bernd truntschka ger jarkko varvio fin alexei yashin ru stat fastest goal game face second steve larmer canada game sweden end bori michailov ussr consecut game loss ussr ussr canada ussr canada staffan axelsson etxonss ufsa ericsson contact for swedish hockei
rec.sport.hockey	oiler hamilton articl apr spang camosun freenet victoria tom moffat write oiler move hamilton divis will plai tom moffat victoria canada guess hamilton put into midwest winnipeg dalla move pacif bill hart macsch
rec.sport.hockey	minnesota shame impress that minnesota possibl hockei state team move citi texa that owner greedi serv profit star not make profit citi own arena price goug norman green claim that lost monei last year that own team bought team kind obviou that deal year red team start make profit gave impress that will claim two year ago that team need averag fan per game order pull profit thi season team averag fan despit increasd ticket price team attend and plai upward trend leav dumbfound ignor that decid move even offer concess rude demand such guarante season ticket sale cheap rent two arena town etc guess bottom line green want huge return dalla and wasn will wait anoth year dalla gave green pretti stellar deal plai feel minnesota quit reason and croni thi mean that minnesota nhl team for year two bad for nhl kea
rec.sport.hockey	winnipeg vancouv articl unixhub slac stanford edu groger ravel slac stanford edu greg roger write mkr stud hsn morten kristiansen write read thi you canuck fan winnipeg kick vancouv butt badli not sit for week and thi not joke predict fourth game winnipeg winnipeg vancouv selann steen score coupl goal each winnipeg win stanlei cup playoff you jet fanat normal jet fan pretti good fourth game physic plai game moron post that continu year jet will cremeat canuck and selann will smash bure into board full don you cue fromm daryl and wait till you make fool not predict canuck and come back home not swing seri wrap toni bravo toni sick mindless fanat blind faith jet fan prpbabli predict end world accur coutcom playoff seri will admit that mindless fanatica blind faith canuck fan unlik winterpeg not vent spleen world great team confid and that grant jet finish season hot and canuck troubl vancouv built reput for playoff team flame fan not win seri alwai fight end admit that last year not great combin work ethic past tallent present will tough beat note not pummel team meet and destroi greatest player plai todai canuck fan love cup feel good chanc make smyth and shot detroit can lose loui pittsburgh make cup put monei even face canuck buffalo montreal quebec beat pittsburgh choos winner vancuov and detroit cup and part note for jet fan time winnepeg made final canuck greg devorski help taint brilliant displai maclean canuck ti jet tightli that thought that mail btw greg time don fall asleep geographi class pretti sad fellow norwai can spell winnipeg properli and gui north america can thing long vancouv nhl championship yeah and can arena and not not two six championship banner hang rafter stanlei cup banner and avco cup banner nhl guid that vancouv won cup onc time rockin town kenora won daryl turner contact for winnipeg jet internet umturn ccu umanitoba fidonet rout tkachuk zhamnov sel nne shoot score jet win cup jet win cup essensa for vezina houslei for norri sel nne for calder
rec.sport.hockey	cap postseason fortun cap break golf club histori washington capit futil record playoff rememb that terri year year that cap final made round brian notic that year cap second round and year didn make past round thi trend continun admir hopeless cap fan rememb that loss island aurggghhhhhhhhh admir steve liu internet address admir jhunix hcf jhu edu world champion baltimor oriol not seri yard stanlei cup champion washington capit bangl greatest femal rock band that exist thi sig brought you frungi sport king god man drill hole head not answer mccoi
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rec.sport.hockey	leaf wing articl lmarsha cm wayn edu lmarsha cm wayn edu lauri marshal write articl apr mk chuck mk chuck lowni write last night game toronto receiv penalti detroit game you watch didn you period wing had penalti call and delai penalti leaf had man advantag for minut and man advantag for anoth minut two and leaf couldn score and leaf score powerplai goal you never had powerplai detroit paper todai penalti call last night game and you detroit had penalti guess you watch period admitt leaf alot penalti that period wing didn haven look box score ref made for period lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing apolog for typo meant wing had power plai period and leaf point isn that ref bias that call lot penalti work benefit wing ref call bunch penalti team call bunch make for take lot great game
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rec.sport.hockey	winnipeg vancouv articl ccu umanitoba umturn ccu umanitoba daryl turner write yeah and can arena and not not two six championship banner hang rafter stanlei cup banner and avco cup banner nhl guid that vancouv won cup onc time rockin town kenora won don thi confus winnipeg jet never won stanlei cup even come that close stanlei cup championship back long turn centuri winnipeg victoria won cup jet didn win can you irrelev argu playoff seri todai won stanlei cup turn centuri let face fact canuck lead seri canuck domin jet season seri canuck regular season winnipeg team that fact show that vancouv winnipeg gregmeist
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rec.sport.hockey	don cherri pen annouc lli cmu edu lori iannamico write articl publish thi morn pittsburgh post gazett kbl pgh cabl sport channel presid bill craig confirm that had preliminari talk mouth north don cherri craig interest hire cherri color comment and for post game duti consid for open broadcast job current pen announc mike lang and paul steigerwald craig spoke yesterdai kbl stan savaran and gui junker espn mike emrick broadcast doug mccloud and tsn jim hughson kbl and penguin ink deal give kbl and radio right pen game plan that kbl entir night hockei start pre game show and run post game show that sign depend length game don cherri announc penguin game yeah and quot pgh goofi mayor queen sheba and badli slam pen coach corner hockei night canada surpris peopl will for monei won lori contact for penguin lli cmu edu randi
rec.sport.hockey	wing will win gballent vancouv uvic greg ballentin write articl orasi vi toronto edu bdown vi toronto edu brian write stuff delet for exampl pat quinn canuck not that murrai and familiar trade garth butcher good player and dan quinn not nhl anymor loui for cliff ron geoff courtnal sergio mommesso and robert dirk good true thi comment you made earlier post quinn take advantag major leagu bonehead for loui thi trade absolut stupid trade for loui and not stupid trade that thi gui made can give quinn credit for opportunist stuff trade delet team improv greater amount detroit sinc you figur vancouv and detroit thing last year won divis had close number point round playoff final escap game and knock second round team beat talent specif rememb correctli place team thi make vancouv improv not mistaken wing had point vancouv end thi season albeit not gregmeist randi
rec.sport.hockey	oiler hamilton articl apr spang camosun freenet victoria tom moffat oiler move hamilton divis will plai and won chang name steeler signific deposit oil hamilton caus tire fire year back nba can utah jazz laker lake guess nhl can hamilton oiler
rec.sport.hockey	senat sign top draft pick report ottawa todai that senat come verbal agreement last season pick and choic alexei yashin year deal senat sign second round pick chad pennei plai for sault ste mari greyhound ontario junior leagu playoff mike amico bnr ottawa ontario
rec.sport.hockey	stewart homer wing andi bgsu edu bgsu edu andi bgsu edu ryan write paul stewart call singl worst game thi year federov major obviou and don disput chaisson penalti shouldn even penalti alon major and game misconduct don notic ref and linesmen playoff come and agre that stewart call two worst game mtl quebec game and last night toronto detroit game scoop thi gui latest incarn kerri fraser you boneheadedli stubborn doesn make you good ref make call vote for ref van hellemond improv koharski worst paul stewart oop don want start worst ref thread don follow paul yatrou
rec.sport.hockey	don cherri pen annouc kbl and penguin ink deal give kbl and radio right pen game plan that kbl entir night hockei start pre game show and run post game show that sign depend length game don cherri announc penguin game yeah and quot pgh goofi mayor queen sheba lori contact for penguin lli cmu edu watch hockei hotlin last night and stan that station kbl had reciev call dai thi subject and verdict that almost exclus want that load mouth blow hard bruin whiner ulf hate scum suck misseri pittsburgh perman basi that not exactli stan bit interprit cmu kiddi
rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter quit long obnoxi name call delet net privleg revok second skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter quit long roger shut you skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	minnesota shame hockei fan back and maintain interest can hockei hinterland oklahoma hope can read you move north star dalla impress that minnesota possibl hockei state team move citi texa that owner greedi serv profit star not make profit citi own arena price goug nhl hour drive can feel for peopl minnesota didn support team opinion us work for star minnesota support team extent had quit afew sellout thi season cup run and final norm main bitch that wasn luxuri suit and had not full want box and want full ask for peopl that and hockei game high school for colleg for that mark qmpro radioact cat hot origin origin line not defin goedit
rec.sport.hockey	springfield indian ahl offic crosspost ahl mail list discuss and chri lerch subject springfield round upset provid bruin chri basic rais possibl that ahl hierarchi bias favor indian note that offic for leagu spring and indian work for ahl inform that back year ago cup final roch and spring that amerk charg favorit offic and that question thing liket ahl presid and staff attend game springfield brass includ sit box for game springfield and rochest media openli cheer for springfield thi that quit thi true don thi whine part amerk pull thi sort crap wing true thi somth that rais question presid jack butterfield leadership btw thi post permiss chri bri farenel farenebt craft camp clarkson edu ahl ecac and boston bruin contact for rec sport hockei adirondack red wing calder cup champ clarkson hockei ecac tournament champ glen fall high hockei divis state champ ahl fan join ahl mail list ahl new request andrew cmu edu
rec.sport.hockey	wash isl game thi come indirectli morgani work studio for espn hockei manag espn reluct leav pitt game even outcom fear wash game overtim cap score left tie game heard peopl espn contractu oblig show basebal and not broadcast hockei game year espn will introduc basebal fan can watch basebal and hockei fan can watch hockei espn back and stop post articl thi subject complain thi game that make sick geoff filinuk
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rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter quit long articl apr sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startid ctr columbia edu ali lemer write ali procrastin lemer gave nhl commission gari bettman puck columbia univers nyc onc spent rest dai phoenix ctr columbia edu open pat william orlando magic kind anim hug hockei player nice sig chang btw you post name peopl letter and includ not want roger fool skin for question emot music quit brave effect you mike patton faith hornet capit mike friedman hrivnak fan internet gtd prism gatech edu
rec.sport.hockey	switzerland articl apr vm huji hechel vm huji write thi qualif tournement for olymp game lillehamm team qualifi for hopp schwiiz daniel top team thi tournament will plai olymp year last team thi tournament top two pool great britain and poland and winner pool latvia will plai for last olymp spot fall year host norwai finish surpris team pool that will plai qualif tournament marko tervio
rec.sport.hockey	cap move pollin want move cap own cap centr don sell game draw lot bullet you had situat that ab had you move you guarante that game park stadium noth half mile recent construct area can win game rich you read hat movi imu morn blurb you blurb seinfeld
rec.sport.hockey	buffalo boston defens articl bson apr nutrimat gnu mit edu bson gnu mit edu jan brittenson write doesn mean sinc statist base game playoff format dark for disappoint fat ladi hit note deficit chanc for comeback that base game playoff format you get start game hope blue team can ralli moog can start headlin boston local sportscat sutter blue and harri sinden appear dress room game pathet site retard cover sutter thi game not win lose harri check schedul your team playoff and long summer vacat sundai morn harri and buttkiss milburi will never admit that screw major brought dumbest peopl busi brian sutter sutter playoff record head coach loui speak for blue chanc advanc second round thi year ppv mark
rec.sport.hockey	regular season pool thi final regular season stat for you can find april edit usa todai and you come adam oat bruin pt teemu selann jet pt alexand mogilni sabr pt pavel bure canuck pt vincent damphouss canadian pt dave andreychuk mapleleaf pt phil houslei jet pt paul coffei redw pt sergei fedorov redw pt andi moog bruin pt infrat capiti pt patrick roi canadian pt macinni flame pt denni savard canadian pt call johansson capit pt yuri khmylev sabr pt richard smehlik sabr pt total point pt valuabl player adam oat rooki year teemu selann improv player vincent damphouss defenseman year phil houslei goali year patrick roi
rec.sport.hockey	anoth travesti joe loui articl apr mtroyal caldwel mtroyal write detroit april knowledg observ onc watch shock detroit red wing beat goaltend world six time rout anoth easi victori team nhl for goaltend world felix potvin six bad number surrend six goal and collect six minut penalti repons goon tactic emploi inferior red wing team alan told you thi happen roger didn love roger haven heard awhil golf wait for leaf join dai lauri marshal wayn state univers detroit michigan wing
rec.sport.hockey	wing new and playoff thought root detroit valuabl asset wing and perhap ranger zombo return wake and smell norri rick zombo trade blue for vinc riendo last season mike
rec.sport.hockey	wing new and playoff thought chevelda concern decent goali logic trade offseason detroit and ranger beezer trade enjoi opportun back root detroit valuabl asset wing and perhap ranger zombo return beezer good year and opportun fresh start energ plai problem that zombo trade loui last year for goali vincent riendeau that chevi not elit class goali adequ offens firepow wing greg
rec.sport.hockey	hei teh cannuck groger slacvx slac stanford edu greg roger write due live bai area unabl vancouv victori jet last night score that rare describ game post sonapsi waht happen each team plai cannuck deserv victori opinion canuck plai strong game pleas strong game linden kei success for thi year defens had strong game heard selann name night craven plai game sinc come except didn high fly jet high fly thought jet defenc look overmatch canuck forward will improv that want make thi seri short great start chri ronei mail chri ronei sfu
rec.sport.hockey	canuck winnipeg jet gave canuck anoth run for monei almost ident game seri onc short vancouv outscor winnipeg pattern game repeat tonight canuck score quickli and sleep second period stave jet comeback opportun goal greater talent jet look danger thi didn make differ number that count goal vancouv big line produc centr cliff ron and left winger geoff courtnal score and second boost canuck lead giveawai suspect jet defenc bautin and ulanov mental laps defenc and goal score talent opportun area made differ canuck goal game jet work hard game canuck second period jet domin second check hard and penetr vancouv zone challeng canuck team that want pack earli hard work paid late second tie domi caught vancouv goali kirk mclean surpris sharp angl shot make score domi goal gave jet life began rush canuck collaps defenc canuck unwil mclean shot and clear rebound jet allow set and make plai goali made standup save plai pick consider mclean made great save second danc teammu selann essensa rock pavel bure drive selann look danger rush jet press seri attack into canuck zone canuck hand look offer check line effort preserv slim lead seri minor penalti end second period result man advantag for jet earli jet tempo numminen drove puck point mclean leg and into net tie game canuck discord plai pick left thi character long lead pass that never connect pick jet and individu rush into tight winnipeg defenc that never support and second canuck goal jet defens laps bonehead plai stall winnipeg comeback faceoff winnipeg zone pavel bure left stand creas jet defend anywher bure had invis game that point rebound and manag roof backhand even balanc late for jet come back essensa made bench minut extra attack noth for attack canuck winnipeg game fridai winnipeg jet hole two game
rec.sport.hockey	nhl letter quit long articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write apr sol ctr columbia edu phoenix startid ctr columbia edu ali lemer write dear bettman ali letter delet for breviti roger acid lace respons remov togeth and establish kind mandatori matur level thi stuff air roger your respons exclud you share your opinion you right ali mail letter nhl that you post repli that mow wheat harvest time never repres entir internet entir group rec sport hockei state opinion fifti sixti hundr odd folk agre list name bottom you not agre fine don care name chang care your name isn attach moan and complain you felt word lead you free feel that and except manner never hurt person disagre and feel gener fine and that ali compunct chang singl word you free disagre word wrote tear apart charact uncal for post thi form public reprimand you tear ali integr and charact publicli you chastis publicli return hard ali bit specif your descript read you state view and that simpli not true disclaim note that you don mean entir internet entir group attach despit your intent list name bottom cordial call moron and asshol reduc weight your word and opinion author ey and possibl and ali nice stand for even not person advoc valeri hammerl john lift pat board grab hammerl acsu buffalo edu hand and start run pwpz ubvm buffalo edu faster and faster want learn that feel and learn skate lafontain
rec.motorcycles	lexan polish articl soe nodak edu wilken plain nodak edu scott wilken write coupl year ago replac stock windscreen interceptor higher nation cycl thing happen made lexan can recommend polish us that safe for lexan start show scratch and polish fast internet wilken plain nodak edu ama chanc uunet plain wilken dod interceptor bitnet wilken plain suggest mcquir plastic polish will somewhat noth will remov deep scratch make wors mcquir will for fine light stuff suggest call your local plastic shop calif tap plastic chain that carri need for repair and sometim replac plastic bit telephon bai area not amen ship found that excel product for clean and remov crap windscreen and face shield call lift work real remov sticki stuff such adhess plastic wihtout scratch luck jonathan jefferi jeff mri
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rec.motorcycles	oop ranck ranck joesbar edu wrote hate admit thi and mental kick for rode brand home last fridai night mile rain and dark problem home and put center stand dai push center stand prepar for friend hous pose you guess and land side scratch lower fair crack mirror and crack upper fair damn stupid cost local bodi shop fix and that fair for that cheaper mirror alon bought replac bmw you cheap sister boyfriend such incess pain ass want ride bike jose that final lindner bmw canaan last fall had nice us perfect condit tell shop norton war stori fifteen year ago sign liabil waiver and get pre flight not quit walk pizza shop street feel good made sister boyfriend happi and persist wanker ass for good heard horrend racket engin tortur red line and crash peopl run obviou sourc disturb jeff lai bmw rear wheel spin wildli and grope for kill switch stare disbelief slice hang mouth matti shop manag slid besid and ask friend steve shit matti wors that flh jeff hadn made inch wit lift feet let clutch and graviti jeff claim that clutch didn engag matti quick jeff stutter embarrass shock manag snatch jeff credit card for quick imprint and signatur twenti minut jeff color had pale flush matti present estim for bust mirror and hairlin crack fair that for fix crack and mask damag area not fair bui bike not happen sister split jeff shortli hook anoth piec work that matti told ran charg decemb and that uncontest stephen mane mane magpi linknet mane and associ york usa
rec.motorcycles	miracl california articl ppvof east sun egreen east sun write biker wave biker world whether not harlei rider wave biker favorit flame war happi that harlei rider area that flame ride lowli sport bike and girlfriend recipi twenti wave group twenti harlei rider lead group sport bike time cbr vfr initi wave not perfect dai and friendli rider despit brand differ made randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod
rec.motorcycles	dod paraphernalia articl pppnrinnitg cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun steve buni wrote decal thicker vinyl geeki temporari tatoo mean rub exempt razz john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	miracl california wave that courtesi nod wave meet biker ride lot good thing mood ride lot fun special you hei great dai for ride isn wonder that can spend time road dai thi gestur sunni todai for time week bike for spin local salvag yard bike shop ran into peopl for similar reason thi great stretch road side street lotsa lean bend impromptu coffe and bullshit run puyallup batch peopl didn kinda peopl nonetheless fellow comment admir bike hei not you ride that you ride long wheel and engin thing maven eskimo internet maven mavenri altcit eskimo usenet maven mavenri alternet
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride articl wkbp eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow drink for drink hour drink for drink hour drink for rest fairli cautiou guidelin and will work even you happen low toler bodi mass cop and don you dare drink drive commerci will drink gener drink and hr you legal limit watch mike mike muis mjmuis watstar uwaterloo quot joke electr engin univers waterloo disclaim fear
rec.motorcycles	insect impact articl hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write helmetless peopl horseback not fast and enjoi eat bug bit fast dirtbik terrain and eat fli you jeep you suppos windscreen snow ski bug and poepl fast wear goggl helmetless motorcyclist question stand cruiser rider neglig helmet stand highwai mph buggi summer even helmetless goggleless green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	miracl california articl dtx jut ccc amdahl bw dut ccc amdahl brian simmon write thi isn big deal you rais south and part cultur heritag wave passersbi wave side road pass car drove wave nod rais index finger steer wheel peopl wave drove rais south and can attest that thi true hot dai walk road good ol boi truck toss cold beer mph time prove thi wasn fluke happen ride wednesdai unsolicit wave wow biker wave biker world whether not harlei rider wave biker favorit flame war green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri articl ugg cmptrc lonestar org irwin cmptrc lonestar org irwin arnstein write articl phuse sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl aber azw aber andi woodward write two question that fascin check you local blue light special for sale live redneck call redneck origin slang refer sunburn neck obtain perform honest work outdoor neck distinguish peopl shirt protect chest and back pale elitist wealthi idiot quest for darker skin pigment badg leisur time overdo and full bodi sunburn us back mind make live ignor and intoler group level understand tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod that sound close mind intoler attitud not redneck walk shoe stereotyp limit ignor righteou open mind ag lover great planet earth ignor red neck don correl don that redneck cultur you can call that necessarili inferior superior gotta beer make sens thing you preach toler and conserv jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	carri crutch live previou articl pooder rchland vnet ibm don fearn broke leg two place not motorcycl accid car accid woulda thunk put crutch gretchen rear rack get metal rod pull fridai and back crutch for six week crutch handlebar sound aesthet pleas you attach knee rebuilt back street bike asap put crutch rack and passeng seat and hung back long make ti tight front and problemo fast chanc mike
rec.motorcycles	kawi zephyr vision gpz articl apr pro haven ct shadow pro haven ct write apr organpip uug arizona edu asphaug lpl arizona edu erik asphaug write short live zephyr essenti gpz zephyr discontinu heard problem name never hear don sold north american ride standard sport bike want bigger peopl walk into dealership and and spring extra buck for bigger engin bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	daemon child previou articl svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write wait minut noemi and satan wow and such nice boi rcr and noemi make cuddl not kotl you talk bout noemi make big bore hand gun and extrem weird thi babe rode csr across desert and borrow death ride don fuck man your make big mistak fast chanc mike
rec.motorcycles	identifi thi bike for articl apr ucsu colorado edu coburnn spot colorado edu nichola coburn write thought hawk modifi two brother race not that made thi huge tank for addition told quit firmli honda sale servic weeni that larger tank for hawk hawk puni gal tank interest decent aftermarket solut love gal tank curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri articl stafford stafford winona msu edu stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford write articl mar aber azw aber andi woodward wrote two question that fascin you easili fascin redneck call redneck you call welch south southeastern farmer neck perman damag sunburn sun you that never set british empir and never shine wale thi despic lie sunni juli made note diari never wrong ride harlei don drive pick truck and shoot biker enlighten visit last answer incoher splutter you deserv john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli you chanc ride harlei feel your neck calamin lotion good told get bore wind american bomb fish barrel haaaaaaaaaaav niiiiiiiiiiiiiiic daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaai andi
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl zkcl fgc cso uiuc edu eric cso uiuc edu cbr write post counterst faq thi aw time debat push handl motorcycl foward turn left and can explain thi happen post faq convert eric hmm thi outrigg
rec.motorcycles	demento articl mar brown edu jdk brown edu jennet kirschenbaum write haven heard demento year plai station prov such wbcn love pai for ship and record show bore fart prefer breez salt lake citi wonderfulli cataton want station back flight bag girli sexi voic morn show
rec.motorcycles	pink tool girlfriend and motorcycl prevent dive thi
rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri articl pcl bigboot wpi edu ravi vanilla wpi edu ravi narayan write previou articl groh fsu edu azw aber andi woodward write ride harlei can you lucki told that peopl can harlei ride name tod johnson jump indiscreet mind laz what you us ride sig piec mail fool ravi narayan wpi end and flame suzukig phaedra ravi you harlei lot spare yuppi bought coupl year ago pose wine bar rode mile and walk rest call taxi home and back porsch load cheap mile clock take coast halt cheer andi you class peopl
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride articl apr galaxi gov bclark galaxi gov write articl wkbp eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write drink ride gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow even half beer will increas your confid slug your reaction and judgement not hard stai aliv for length time stack odd not ride
rec.motorcycles	live articl apr unbvm csd unb unb write articl apr eo arc nasa gov phil eo arc nasa gov phil stone write for compliment allan you sidestep point didn didn chanc sheesh get bed morn riski sprain ankl damn late for climb meet morn bed bother that foot asleep remind fold underneath crunch metatars lucki brake funni ride london leg held aloft climb wasnt problem splint world tight climb shoe
rec.motorcycles	protect gear articl apr galaxi gov bclark galaxi gov write articl wkf eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write protect gear import good helmet shoei and good thick jacket leather gold and pair cheap leather glove purchas glove boot leather pant you can rememb tuck properli bit that punish gear you will your feet hip and knee boot trouser glove come last long you control pull your arm you tuck not good glove hand easili wreck you put steadi your fall mph bit heal easier onc you fulli cover you longer tuck lie back and enjoi ride mean contradictori answer you
rec.motorcycles	dod list membership dod list copi us command finger motohead colorado edu mail motohead colorado edu you send mail make your line correct man vacat will not fix mail problem mine and publicli world bad mailer you scan mail find bounc will not wast time answer your question request for you that want updat your entri contact kotl kotl can make stop bother inan mail will not dod rec motorcycl not give laszlo nemeth laszlo colorado edu hei tool work yeah you can quot that elef sun flashback free drug dod uid
rec.motorcycles	round two articl serval net wsu edu bill wsuaix csc wsu edu william john write good sam brick deliv class postag door expens bet chang polici mail list can us facil quickli and lord god almighti part sky and make person appear board director meet chang polici odd equal curiou brick will send thi situatiion clear satisfact suspect you extrem lucki you green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	anoth question synthet engi articl apr portho bellcor fist iscp bellcor richard pierson write two year ago work for conrail mechan emd and power unit train engin never chang oil filter rememb artic larg engin oil requir and wai prolong life oil run heat presur chamber water and volitil boil thi made such long term usag oil practic isn discoveri channel great curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	identifi thi bike for bike todai and want let begin that rear end defin hawk addition had cbr style tank full fair and tach thought hawk modifi two brother race not that made thi huge tank for addition gaug not hawk look gaug bike look for rear singl side swingarm and wheel straight hawk for you boulder doder park engin center todai white light green stripe nick coburn dod ama cbr cbr coburnn spot colorado edu
rec.motorcycles	daemon child articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write wait minut noemi and satan wow and such nice boi rcr and noemi make cuddl not kotl dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot bad bone concour mmmmmmmmmm bad bone ring ding woop univers fear ama dod cog chicago denizen warcri
rec.motorcycles	speed ticket chp paraphras initi post can fight speed ticket court repli fight your ticket california edit david brown berkelei nolo press second edit not ucb librari good luck abd
rec.motorcycles	for sale brand top end chamber clean black paul not contact thi email address contact seller cheer dave
rec.motorcycles	cat and dog articl gate gpd ryang pgh ryang ryang pgh robert yang write feel silli rob appologis matter fact thi remind bring found consist dog time not and bike anywher and will chase bite and kill instructor onc sound bike painful ear silli thi seam option arrizen net wisdom curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	auction diana bra articl apr adob cjackson adob curti jackson write thing you bike geeki sticker park local white wine quich and fern bar hei quich even your note spell assum correctli you sniff tough gui mommi curti make fun fern
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride articl wkbp eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow put vote for bike take lot involv and for not want accid fault rememb artic review radio bike not had state that bike tend faster music good agre felt thi and thi not physic impar drink emot lift music rule ecolog never side effect ride curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	miracl california wave fellow biker stuff delet start ride street bike told common reciev give wave fellow biker astound move left coast coast wave harlei rider rememb time trueli memor event refus bring that evo for harlei rider that wave curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl zkcl fgc cso uiuc edu eric cso uiuc edu cbr write post counterst faq eric faq for thi curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	daemon child head highwai final bui bike passang jeff andl dod ree main main edu intermittentnet access arrang bowdoin colleg repli mail sinc followup expir net
rec.motorcycles	kawi zephyr vision gpz don dinki zephyr alot drool tri sport topsham looker mercuri ax zephyr name guess lot ag republican want zephyr and confus mercuri kawasaki kawasaki shake stick ass and make libertarian gpz zephyr gpz had ball buster ga tank profil not smooth saddl ga tank transit motorcyclist claim zephyr modern seventi jeff andl dod ree main main edu intermittentnet access arrang bowdoin colleg repli mail sinc followup expir net
rec.motorcycles	split insect impact hpcc rec motorcycl cookson mbunix mitr org cookson apr peopl thi inan bug wibbl get propos split group rec motorcycl nutrit deal squash bug thread dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb worri never vfr nekkid green dod bianchi limit haven you heard cross post leav intact and simpli ignor basenot and respons interest for your statur and discrimin tast yesterdai lonoak wasp hit faceshield forc glue ey not kill leg frantic wiggl and found that distract flick and wipe residu ga stop greenfield btw lonoak lead into king citi metz into greenfield graem harrison hewlett packard commun compon divis trimbl san jose gharriso hpcc corp dod
rec.motorcycles	tool tool tool articl cmu edu jfriedl cmu edu write behanna phoenix syl nec chri behanna write subject notic that deep craftsman sae deep set small fit bolt nut socket for exchang deep socket rack had exact problem not impli that you didn sinc you didn mention you measur size your test nut callip cross length bolt head and even nut slightli thicker basa sort trapizodi cross section that not sampl bolt store fit open end wrench box end wrench point normal socket that mean bolt head peopl point and note tool faq write case will want lifetim guarante doesn necessiarli mean tool yup socket want thing fit chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec pend deliveri agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	oop jack roger water jrwater eo ncsu edu wrote articl ppejb vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write damag bike had properti feel jerk feel stupid don mean cynic you want reconsid bodi work type thing happen wait till you us bike etc wait week pastic bit and bodi shop that long bill ranck ranck joesbar edu
rec.motorcycles	quest for horndom articl apr research nec behanna phoenix syl nec chri behanna write articl apr ncsu edu jrwater eo ncsu edu jack roger water write laugh question relai kind and kind horn volt back eyelid calcul last night and figur puppi suck amp work maximum effici cager shovel clean seat assumpt dba meter neglect solid angl consider and end effect and acoust niceti shape horn thi power output watt watt volt approx amp relai you want post summari inform includ tip monkei pull your leg shouldn monkei bond and insur work bike jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
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rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri articl phuse sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl aber azw aber andi woodward write two question that fascin check you local blue light special for sale live redneck call redneck origin slang refer sunburn neck obtain perform honest work outdoor neck distinguish peopl shirt protect chest and back pale elitist wealthi idiot quest for darker skin pigment badg leisur time overdo and full bodi sunburn us back mind make live ignor and intoler group level understand tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod
rec.motorcycles	hat updat patch articl xhfg fring rain dean fring rain dean woodward write order for hat expens part not surprisingli patch made setup fee dean engin invent and wheel contact run patch and patch make compani artwork set and paid for green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	chain lube consensu chain clean articl apr elektro cmhnet org charli elektro cmhnet org charli smith write articl mar linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write sprai chain wax that review moto rag last month yeah sprai rear drive shaft hous and didn make quieter didn you read instruct you suppos sprai your ear you won distract chain nois bike you that call chain wax chuck roger car torrei att car cbnewsj att
rec.motorcycles	bmw nostalgia question neophyt step you write roland slabon pre vintag bmw motorcycl owner box exet hampshir and send you copi bimonthli rag info send your buck want join price beemer vari wildli low for unrestor bike that run for restor don listen that bull bmw not good ride todai world hell ride singl mississippi bmw moa nation ralli oshkosh wisconsin juli thi year sincer craig vechorik bmw moa ambassador bmw vintag bulletin tech editor dod real bmw round tail light and roller crank
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl apr unbvm csd unb unb write articl zkcl fgc cso uiuc edu eric cso uiuc edu cbr write post counterst faq thi aw time debat push handl motorcycl foward turn left and can explain thi happen post faq convert ummm you push handl your bike speed and your bike turn left methink your bike problem methink someth wrong your bike perhap you meant pull push side handlebar will send left bike turn you that faq had send will slack andi infant sometim that peopl put emphasi bmw observ law dod enforc calvin coolidg opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri articl apr aber azw aber andi woodward write get bore wind american bomb fish barrel children market that irish hard you not english type straight michael robinson ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson cogsci berkelei edu
rec.motorcycles	anoth question synthet engi articl apr spectrum xerox coolei xerox write articl new arc nasa gov howland noc arc nasa gov curt howland write castrol syntec not teflon get greater lubric bond metal surfac engin make metal ride polym metal metal contact not thi reduc acid contact metal like becas form resin not mean that not teflon base ptfe slick not teflon teflon base teflon dupont own tradenam for ptfe slick us dupont teflon brand such stuff us import ptfe anoth brand teflon trade name capit dupont disclaim benefit ptfe oil suppli intern combust engin btw dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot bad bone concour mmmmmmmmmm bad bone ring ding woop univers fear ama dod cog chicago denizen warcri
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write articl apr unbvm csd unb unb write articl zkcl fgc cso uiuc edu eric cso uiuc edu cbr write post counterst faq thi aw ummm you push handl your bike speed and your bike turn left methink your bike problem methink someth wrong your bike perhap you meant pull push side handlebar will send left bike turn you that faq had send will slack andi infant sometim that peopl put emphasi lord thi obcounterst for reason discov that pull wrong side handlebar push wrong side you mean feel greater control for exampl push side lean turn lonni pull left side lean feel secur and counter intuit psycholog obcounterst find iron that weekend and night msf class don mention counterst dai ride tommi mcguir hit head door frame rest even lean into tight turn mcguir utexa edu mcguir austin ibm will append disclaim outgo public inform identifi person and independ ibm
rec.motorcycles	live articl odin corp sgi amc crash wpd sgi allan mcnaughton write articl mar eo arc nasa gov phil eo arc nasa gov phil stone write alan noth person object that statement ride that alan describ push envelop not necessarili equal take insan chanc two rider ride togeth speed ride abil and safeti margin left come phil you excel rider you plenti chanc don that your skill that you get wack lot luck thrown you good rider and lucki hope your luck hold allan circumst your fall ride you fell you you made error judgement ride fast you knew road damp and you react badli you surpris oncom car that crash due factor that subject your control won deni that combin luck and skill involv for each that you blame bad luck for your pain warrant chuck karish karish mindcraft karish pangea stanford edu
rec.motorcycles	recommend bike for tall beginn articl sdcc ucsd edu jtozer sdcc ucsd edu john tozer write for advic bike check tall and find leg hip uncomfort bent bike ridden not admittedli bike built for taller rider plenti legroom kawasaki klr bit short brake depart for spirit street ride for dirt and for agress street stuff chuck karish karish mindcraft karish pangea stanford edu
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow thi thread bring back memori expens dai traffic court year ago wait turn state case and plea cage had opportun listen creativ excus offer judg listen number pass slow truck that suddenli speed version decid that judg had heard stori book and impress thi young burlei gui had docket read drill sargent ohio state highywai patrol trooper clock ride motorcycl speed mph mph zone note that defend motorcycl rider had alcohol breath not cite for thi offenc judg look half glass purch end nose and sternest voic son pretti fast speed ride motorcycl you for your sir meekli defen repli buddi and had coupl beer and home offer noth had coupl beer and mph home judg move simplic respons fine maximum thi case court cost and order attend remedi driver train school isn america great bill mohrman motorola sp columbu disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	big big bike azw aber andi woodward write azw weight and size rough road definit start azw drift you aint catch leavitt umd edu bill mrb you ride hard for thi concern mrb lighter bike benefici cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write you not ride hard for thi concern you fun never racerboi attend minibik spectacular can attest great deal satisfact ride fast fast overli concern not maintain clean line and slide occasion tire prefer stai sticki side that line found that don heal us dai yore btw knee mrb like catch not necessarili mrb tire road surfac and rider abil import criteria big horsepow like you troubl start drift your puni bodi mass push stuff push horsepow can lot straighten chang benefici trajectori bike rider system that quit true anoth for bike origin thread damn circular thread fast chanc mike bill bill leavitt cbx white lightn suzibago leavitt umd edu honda lone star sick leav dod ama icoa nia impala convert incred hulk hmmm thought bore and stroke techniqu michael bain
rec.motorcycles	protect gear articl wkf eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write question for dai protect gear import good helmet shoei and good thick jacket leather gold and pair cheap leather glove purchas glove boot leather pant condom wone time had accid ask wear protect responc wear condom laz
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write articl apr unbvm csd unb unb write articl zkcl fgc cso uiuc edu eric cso uiuc edu cbr write post counterst faq thi aw time debat push handl motorcycl foward turn left and can explain thi happen post faq convert ummm you push handl your bike speed and your bike turn left methink your bike problem push side handlebar will send left will slack quit will axel
rec.motorcycles	won get low rider thi year articl mar esac prahren esac peter ahren write articl mar cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write had plan thi year deliveri brand male offspr last mondai sound you your plan last year harlei davidson product deliveri lag and human gestat cycl perhap plan hiya pete that cbx nice hear you and final figur thi happen and step ensur storkish repetit that low drag bar and rad rearset for that ergonom constraint contracept consequ ouch thi bring mind recommend hurt studi rear ga tank close proxim highli prize and easili damag anatomi hurt recommend that manufactur build tank reduc step function provid rider bodi slide seat and ga tank unfortun event that bike stop suddenli and rider doesn inspir manufactur thi advic heart design bike cbr and gt chuck roger car torrei att car cbnewsj att
rec.motorcycles	speed ticket chp articl agat berkelei edu downei homer berkelei edu allen downei write fight your ticket california edit david brown berkelei nolo press second edit not ucb librari good luck daniel matejka write fourth edit not high ucb gotta that list articl mcimail mcimail peter nesbitt write ride work last week hwy suisun pull chp black and white ga station jameson canyon road offic state look you kinda fast come highwai you and not agre disagre can you beat thi ticket person your duti citizen make troubl for give and leav alon somedai cop legal right nail you guess your speed brown author fight your ticket mention oakland judg convict speeder offic testimoni that driver car sound driven excess speed you can pai state and your insur compani you can court and creativ person never won that win judg listen polit and haven that attempt you argument that sinc bike shorter car speed nice offic accustom guess and speed appear greater left step two you idea you can make convinc theoret you suppos win never prove cop mistaken poor biker mix fact maximum acceler cop car and distanc cop had pace and end demonstr that couldn possibl fast cop had suggest brought diagram and calcul prepar lost mind cop thi time and word don guess fast bike time thi gui didn speak english and end absolut confound judg cop and room recent crimin twit gun and quota ahem won had present polish not applaus
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rec.motorcycles	cultur enquiri us back mind make live ignor and intoler group level understand confus redneck and white trash confus understand substanti overlap two set can clarifi redneck primarili us back mind make live somewhat ignor standard never held educ basic read write math skill that import eventu vocat note not stupid ignor stupid high percentag group white trash white trash fit stereotyp refer word nigger black person met ad bonu that white trash mean hell father genuin lazi not work qualifi good for noth dishonest white peopl mean snake squeal pig boi deliver not redneck hell white trash white trash assuredli intoler group level understand redneck not curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
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rec.motorcycles	twit bicyclist joi articl apr spectrum xerox coolei xerox write asshol hope you kid exactli that kind attidu that get motorcyclist kill leather clad poseur watch swirv and swear pretend that don exist chang lane you find necesari wreck enjoy road boost your ego trueli you poseur aaron disgruntl volvo driver rebel steatopygia doh that ain hottentot sesquipedalian ama dod ain
rec.motorcycles	question arai quantum articl zqel uki edu amir uki edu amir sadr write want problem chin hang bottom helmet curiou whether thi problem switch extra larg size can for outer shell arai quantum size larg larger rounder etc helmet size larg pad foam larg such that head fit deeper helmet and chin not stick thi true for arthur fulmer helmet that chin hang bottom larg helmet and not larg larg not snug larg dealer will replac helmet addit cost ship want make that larg fact bigger liner such that chin will not hang and looser will head fit larg recent experi thi helmet hear mail you asap you amir not helmet for chin question you want write jai leno tonight show burbank calif good luck steatopygia doh that ain hottentot sesquipedalian ama dod ain
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rec.motorcycles	speed ticket chp articl dmatejkac dmb netcom dmatejka netcom daniel matejka write articl agat berkelei edu downei homer berkelei edu allen downei write fight your ticket california edit david brown berkelei nolo press second edit not ucb librari good luck daniel matejka write can you beat thi ticket person your duti citizen make troubl for give and leav alon somedai cop legal right nail you guess your speed brown author fight your ticket mention oakland judg convict speeder offic testimoni that driver car sound driven excess speed cough choke cop gave ticket for sound speed show court lawyer simpli sound speed ridicul found guilti appeal and show lawyer cop doesn vascar car plane radar lidar electron speed measur devic pace and mph limit court can accept cop excess fast limit look zone not reason doubt grant lose case measur ey court for axel
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rec.motorcycles	drink and ride norman hamer maven eskimo wrote gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow depend badli you want live faa hour bottl throttl for pilot recommend twenti hour far blood alcohol level legal drunk twice strict dwi minimum btw alcohol metabol your blood fix rate beer hour will your blood alcohol level bare street legal coffe hyperventil and bar trick won speed will fool ranger stephen mane mane magpi linknet mane and associ york usa
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rec.motorcycles	backpack summer approach usual prepar made think for overnit camp trip local state forest for that plan backpack rucksack question carri thing bike metal frame and big backrest approx high and hope that bunge cord backpack backrest experi such experiment take idea happen backpack fulli load full load lb load distribut severli affect will bike perform such load cling back rest secur shift increas chanc surf collect wisdom request can afford leather pant boot and jean can make you knee protector rollerblad us bean and sell that bad idea equival dod give arm ambidextr
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rec.motorcycles	drink and ride mjmuis watstar uwaterloo mike muis write articl wkbp eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow drink for drink hour drink for drink hour drink for rest alcohol server class year ago hei employ paid for told that drink hour rule written proof booz and pound person mind drink cuervo gold weigh will drunk faster theoret person mention wors imagin rum coke made bacardi mind you that for get drunk drive car ride for month plan even rigid exclus statement don drink don ride pretti simpl fairli cautiou guidelin and will work even you happen low toler bodi mass cop and don you dare drink drive commerci will drink gener drink and hr you legal limit watch mike mike that that polici work fertil even you plan drive home nice and safe your cage mike muis mjmuis watstar uwaterloo quot joke electr engin univers waterloo disclaim fear dean woodward you want step into world dean fring rain socio psychot state bliss virago gun rose world dod
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride cjackson adob curti jackson write articl mjmuis watstar uwaterloo mjmuis wat cop and don you dare drink drive commerci will drink gener drink and hr you legal limit watch you smart and eat food your drink food coat stomach line thing milk can temporarili retard absorpt alcohol food digest absorpt will proce and you will drunker higher instantan bac you you had drunk drink empti stomach put anoth food can you drunk drink empti stomach earli hour drunk drink empti stomach hour curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson alcohol server class absolut that eat drink can slow absorpt minut that time eat slam beer and ride hell make home minut left pai don helmet glove start bike dean woodward you want step into world dean fring rain socio psychot state bliss virago gun rose world dod
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rec.motorcycles	backpack sanjai kin lap upenn edu sanjai sinha write summer approach usual prepar made think for overnit camp trip local state forest for that plan backpack rucksack question carri thing bike metal frame and big backrest approx high and hope that bunge cord backpack backrest experi such experiment take idea happen backpack fulli load full load lb load distribut severli affect will bike perform such load cling back rest secur shift increas chanc surf ride bike regularli class book bag shoulder strap bag and hook rear turn signal work fine you will want attach bunge cord shift side anoth dan ramag ramag charli ec scarolina edu vulcan dod want harlei haven won lotteri bat smart us radar letterman
rec.motorcycles	hudson question david dc qmw dave edmondson write dave tharp cd davet interceptor cd tek wrote articl kmr ham almanac emd ham almanac write main design bert vack broke record brookland late earli bert vack set record indian includ mph brookland novemb powerplu race model busi lad tuner and round guru jap and work georg brough can post detail illustr ecyclopedia motorcycl sound book copi can illustr encyclopedia motorcycl edit erwin tragatsch publish hamlyn publish group limit astronaut hous hounslow road feltham middlesex england publish and mine reprint cost pound paid for canadian dollar idea whether print perhap you net bob robert smit ladysmith luca built weapon war emd ham almanac never start
rec.motorcycles	thi articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write articl mar rchland ibm pooder msu msu edu write sampl recent unauthor softwar inspector gener report inspector gener make for excel inspector gener hail hail brodnei sky behold lord high execution that discuss thi mail jonathan film inspector gener danni kay can quot name lead ladi maltin doesn jonathan think earlier russian film movi base gogol jonathan look two stori ivan reid paul scherrer institut ivan cvax psi gsx you porsch pass dod
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rec.motorcycles	speed ticket chp articl pqarb fnq gaia uc orst edu crucej ossh edu jerri cruce write peter nesbitt mcimail wrote ride work last week hwy suisun pull chp black and white ga station jameson canyon road offic state look you kinda fast come highwai you and not agre disagre time you stope cop never never never admit don volunt inform retoracl question cop look you kinda fast come highwai you correct repons deni thi techniqu emploi polic establish guilt time not speed cop unsur thi differ let you hook get tissu hope thi help for time steven bakali
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rec.motorcycles	backpack sanjai sinha sanjai kin lap upenn edu wrote question carri thing bike metal frame and big backrest approx high and hope that bunge cord backpack backrest experi such experiment put pack pillion and bunge backrest that not you bunge backrest make doesn bend break rear fender turnsign bill ranck ranck joesbar edu car make sudden turn danger cut you block roadwai and leav you place msf motorcycl oper manual sixth rev
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rec.motorcycles	won get low rider thi year articl apr cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write ouch thi bring mind recommend hurt studi rear ga tank close proxim highli prize and easili damag anatomi hurt recommend that manufactur build tank reduc step function provid rider bodi slide seat and ga tank unfortun event that bike stop suddenli and rider doesn inspir manufactur thi advic heart design bike cbr and gt ride goodi tank design corbin seat move you forward wouldn major danger cajon due acceler into and stop tank you wouldn impact problem michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
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rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die articl nnt dartvax dartmouth edu russel hugh dartmouth edu ussel hugh write great dai back home last night fantast ski colorado and put batteri back fxstc clean plug open petcock wait minut hit starter and bingo start charm spent restless night anticip ride saison and thi morn state inspect bike stock for slash cut pipe and li rub slash cut balonei cut call not stock muffler sold for road us and louder stock muffler arni
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rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die articl nnt dartvax dartmouth edu russel hugh dartmouth edu russel hugh write start and rev rpm fail cuz regist and max allow fail pipe gonna time make number believ thi poor flamebait get close sound jumbo jet engin takeoff rev small number yard pain threshold for human hell state permit standard curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	kawi zephyr vision gpz articl organpip uug arizona edu asphaug lpl arizona edu erik asphaug write bob dave had read review that engin pretti ident gpz that suspens and frame modern fanci piggyback shock and don nice adjust fork crappi dive mad had progress spring instal and made huge differ cheap fix improv elef
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rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die great dai back home last night fantast ski colorado and put batteri back fxstc clean plug open petcock wait minut hit starter and bingo start charm spent restless night anticip ride saison and thi morn state inspect bike stock for slash cut pipe and hampshir state inspect mean light work dude produc decibel meter and tell law nois huh sez and start and rev rpm fail cuz regist and max allow fail pipe gonna lotta piss biker round for inspect hei experi never felt menac societi park dismount and walk build slight swagger step and narrow lid sens faculti colleagu uneas intimid statu and women glanc linger longer perhap that imagin sigh instal bub pipe and singl fire ignit will that russ hugh fxstc dod love yeah that feel you you your motorcycl sonni barger told campbel friend time
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rec.motorcycles	drink and ride eww gross articl mjmuis watstar uwaterloo mjmuis watstar uwaterloo mike muis write drink for drink hour drink for drink hour drink for rest case make throw last two needless don drink anymor last time that happen second year undergrad silli edu breath and pretti bad breath that bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
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rec.motorcycles	ride jacket recommend jacket bite dust market for ride jacket for recommend for suitabl replac bui full aerostich suit can afford for two basic option bui aerostich jacket dunno cost due recent price increas imagin that push limit advantag includ fact that can add pant and that elimin for jacket portion rainsuit bui kind leather jacket hein gerick firstgear line bit pricei can work sort deal advantag leather potenti slightli protect enhanc pose import that possibl cheaper upper aerostich requir for jacket that fit layer size thing leather prefer zip line bodi armor similar aerostich elbow shoulder forearm possibl back kidnei protect etc reason amount pocket space nice ventil wearabl cold weather below freez layer perhap electr fire suggest comment etc steve steve andersen dod andersen udel edu andersen ccm udel edu ducati yamaha srx life simpli consequ complex carbon chemistri
rec.motorcycles	brake rotor cross drill
rec.motorcycles	insect impact articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write articl ppvd east sun egreen east sun write articl hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write bit fast dirtbik terrain and eat fli you mention dirtbik talk highwai speed you mph your dirtbik feel free contribut never rode good open class bike not paid opinion speed suzuki dod
rec.motorcycles	crappi honda small question bike fairli experienc bmw and mechan don honda oil for last trip daytona bike week thi spring and sudden trail smoke hell and run cylind tow bike home and apart perfect work order crack head piston cylind wall clean and wear piston and cylind not measur factori spec thing find slightli bigger ring gap cylind problem below wear limit clymer manual for thi bike syggest problem hone cylind wall make rougher criss cross pattern order break ring won that increas wear piston send comment sruhl mechan watstar uwaterloo advanc stef stefan ruhl german exchang student don poke into privaci
rec.motorcycles	insur liabil insur requir articl vike ponder iastat edu vike iastat edu dan sorenson write annoi insur insur liabil mandat that plai game silli game plai and financi secur involv get bond that option recogn ny dmv rod roderick sprattl job great time small sprattli azor crd feet fire and back wall
rec.motorcycles	bike for sale harlei flhtc for sale harlei flhtc liberti edit good condit extra ask locat rhode island peter levin plevin el uri edu
rec.motorcycles	goldw perform articl hpcc corp gharriso hpcc corp graem harrison write peter egan releas cycl world flh real dog pillion wife that monei for dog that doesn defec mystiqu you bui into for that extra randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod
rec.motorcycles	trace licens plate bdi cager curti jackson cjackson adob wrote driver had look casual coupl time knew that case attemp vehicular manslaught want kill you cager want kill biker that explan that can hesh
rec.motorcycles	for sale husqvarna for sale model husqvarna enduro model year engin stroke extra ignit for easi start suspens aftershock custom carbon fiber kevlar skid plate quick steer geometri stock epa legal and quiet exhaust system bark buster and hand guard motion pro clutch cabl price contact deni concordel mail deni apldbio mabel work home sell trusti huski hopefulli bui husaberg thi good dirt bike and maintain perfectli never had problem stroke valv liquid cool engin heavier stroke lighter honda and lot suspens ohlin shock huski fork for casual competit rider engin two stroke you can easili lug hill and blast trail minimum gear ignit and carefulli tune carbur make thi bike easi start start kick cold hot custom made carbon kevlar light pound wrap skid plate protect engin case and water pump steer angl reduc degre increas steer quick thi suspens tune phil dougla aftershock multipl time isd rider ride bike plush suspens respons steer head shake such good bike sell gee want bui husaberg huski pound lighter and tad
rec.motorcycles	for speed ticket advic time respond post fight ticket you wrote that you successfulli fought and won your case court lost due cop outright ly judg circumst surround your ticket fellow lost judg didn mood for such foolish you suggest that obtain book call fight your ticket gener theme for prepar research back and review scene transcrib happen tape paper us wit that list question cop and judg and posit and assert innoc proven guilti gulp peopl suggest court date chang thi trip arrest offic not show date dai feel that doesn chanc win you individu state that offic expert wit and speed damn speed anoth that pace clock radar gun lot good suggest and idea you you happen big dai peter nesbitt air traffic control pnesbitt mcimail oakland bai tracon
rec.motorcycles	mail order you good servic shop regularli merchandis stock you knowledg and friendli sale staff for reason you busi will aggrig busi and fill your futur charg for item anoth store you can purchas item store your choic and pai lowest legitim price offer sound pretti lame understand your friend charg you extra you pai for friendli you servic friendli sale peopl robert emmon never hesit sacrific clariti calcshop inc and maintain save preciou remmon holonet net picosecond program execut
rec.motorcycles	bmw ralli bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb bbbbbbbb press releas bmw rider subject ralli time bmw club northern california bmw ralli memori dai weekend san francisco bai area annual bmw ralli sponsor bmw club northern califronia will held quinci california fairground includ pre registr fee gate star camp field event and trophi two dinner ralli pin door prize poker run vendor displai fun run english trial and live music plai weekend extra hot shower tour concours eleg and thi time ralli year histori that event held quinci and pat gardner ralli chairman ralli continu growth and for larger and complet facil led quinci can two favrit highwai highwai feather river canyon south northernmost part gold countri highwai dai pass will not and bmw rider pre regist guest bmw rider quinci fairground locat california state highwai two mile south downtown quinci for pre registr form and addit inform write doug hubbard bmw club northern california norman court fremont telephon addit note thi not for profit event and rider moni worth whether you attend ralli not thi make problem that activ that attende choos anoth quinci beauti campground lot grass and dust for folk previou ralli mariposa quinci lot space flat room not problem build and such chang weather peopl quinci registr will begin thursdai earli arriv will show mondai tuesdai registr fee pai for camp thursdai mondai dai will tour fridai main event begin saturdai sundai even will award ceremoni for member club club award will base registr declar affilit will usual award for oldest male and femal rider bet need win and youngest rider cheater permit and greatest distanc two and usual thing
rec.motorcycles	cold articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write tend bedroom window open winter and woken find frost bedspread cold below part that stick bottom helmet time noj quiet rider cool conjur thi imag doonesburi dean long you sleep your helmet rich bemben dod rbemben timewarp prime triumph bonnevil fear not evil men name evil heaven protect evil men name good
rec.motorcycles	recommend duc line ducati gt model clock run paint bronz brown orang fade leak bit oil and pop hard accel shop will fix tran and oil leak sold bike and owner want and think opinion email nice stabl mate beemer jap bike and call axi motor tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod
rec.motorcycles	safe drive prcatic articl apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write articl rbpc netcom rbp netcom bob pasker write cjackson adob curti jackson write solut never ride car thing you and space thi step never dilli dalli that rear side cage you pass make posit and you can pass fulli make that you attempt you can make driver awar you get into area vision thi appli merg into anoth lane make pass posit and rear view and shoulder and that acceler into lane that you speed cushion you miss potenti bdi that thing you wors you you made pass successfulli you aren fast suit you ride ey rich rich bemben dod rbemben timewarp prime triumph bonnevil fear not evil men name evil heaven protect evil men name good
rec.motorcycles	april faq dod articl hpfcso jld hpfcso jeff deenei write rec motorcycl vike iastat edu dan sorenson write last year jeff deenei post sinc come recogn ultim april fool post wasn nice peopl quit fool and worri can fault effect base numer input unprint deem time for kinder gentler april not that didn sick and twist readi post perhap year person jeffi poo smart degre burn suffer april last year suppos burn that suffer joke grant peopl that and concern and piss for pull such thing made for april fool joke record that orchestr and suck lot peopl into believ sick twist thi group accus such thing tip twist lid thee jeffi rich bemben dod rbemben timewarp prime triumph bonnevil fear not evil men name evil heaven protect evil men name good
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint cheerfulli spent bottl testor model paint and repaint scratch and chip for minut dry realiz that smoke and that cage not run had bike store not want mess paint job heck can us helmet thi your standard cheapi openfac didn notic big differ switch shoei switch back bad doesn fit worth damn wide side short front back facepl bloodi windi shoei ignor face shield ish thi taxi end drivewai smeg wind question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorcycl piss articl castl wbg festiv geak write banana isn imho ultra sticki label print your favourit curs good even local hospit us wheel clamp put size each window cage your local hospit favorit curs blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	flash bike hazard light front and back turn signal flash sinc live and commut nyc number toll pai rout arriv toll booth switch hazard thisto warn motorist that will take longer second make transact take glove get monei coin changer pocket make transact put glove back take time averag cager take make transact pai toll notic that thi cager tend messag and anoth booth question thi good bad thing tend curiou rob castro email rdc cunixf columbia edu live for todai phone for todai you live dod nyc york york usa
rec.motorcycles	stolen aarghhhh articl apr microun ericm microun eric murrai write watch scumbag steal cover that mean that steal bike case had fade cover stolen bmw that stash apart carport and not visibl street evid decid beemer wasn worth steal night steal honda hurrican park apart build neighbor heard wheel and call cop thi set thi thing that good bmw bike account heard practic steal bmw similar for moto guzzi and rel exot sinc isn larg demand for part and bike easier track that stolen bike harlei and jap sport bike jonathan polito internet jpolito encor encor comput corp kildair farm cari usa voic fax
rec.motorcycles	bike big dog articl apr galaxi gov bclark galaxi gov write articl apr cua edu wendel cua edu write heard rider give big dog such great dane ride back bike dog love make work post month rider cart pet dog sidecar great dane back sound bit hairi yeah that lab love ride type that stick head car window didn that enjoi bunge cord ga tank and lb squirm beast bit for backpack bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	max handl request ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl detail tip articl apr bnr mbeav bnr write don you hate speedo and tach your bike start cloud that nasti sunshin detail tip week us rub compound moisten rag appli rub compound and work into transluc previous transpar materi minut work plastic face dial plastic face will clear onc will not work for glass coupl tip make habit park bike that instrument face sun meguiar mirror glaze plastic polish plastic cleaner cue can product plug rois sumax seattleu edu linda rois write for novic question that will clean face shield and remov abras that can you want meguiar mirror glaze plastic polish and plastic cleaner mild abras meant remov scratch plastic for fine scratch us polish for bigger start cleaner and finish polish stuff buck per bottl auto motorcycl part store don choke price sinc bottl will last you year stuff work great plastic watch crystal and compact disc blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	hard copi hot pursuit thi run hard copi gui katana pull polic guess for speed cop step car dude punch interst georgia ang cop chase thi interest episod videotap dramat takeoff and mph chase sidestreet battl mph happen end gui relentless chase box cage disco light slow coupl time taunt cop blow stop sign and make car jump side dead end street kat not latest machin high perform machin and slam brake cous that cage disco light can stop fast high perform machin happen cage plow into kat luckili for thi dude wear helmet and not hurt dude crazi can you yeah and plai cat and mous friend cop crazi can you thi crap convinc not shit that dude collid car head mph kawasaki team color look good scratch front end inch long engin and minor scratch you gui slow not advoc for cage that make that annoi ass nois time you punch whether you mighti can ninja rememb kid step time peac ride kinda safe warren suzuki will travel wcd uxa cso uiuc edu big deal ride anni robotech
rec.motorcycles	want advic custom purchas articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write mechan onc comment that dual rang transmiss pure junk man opinion had friend pittsburgh had dual rang tranni us economi rang overdr sixth gear had mile stolen recov shortli that repair and for strong shaft driven overbor version and made for exactli year yep head and base gasket expens helluva bike data point chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	tangenti live free quietli die articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write impertin stuff delet show canadian univers ness talk bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada you you edu breath poser univers ness leav that stuff profession henri prang biker profession edu breath physiolog sch med blgtn dod bmwmoa gsi ride conv cage explor cage unifi trait speci relentless pursuit folli hypocrisi nation religion thi countri
rec.motorcycles	boom hubcap attack articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write attack rabid hubcap onc work yamaha twin vibrat tank heard wierd nois left caught glimps silver head for left foot and jerk nanosecond bike hit hard left side put foot back peg found that not pull into nearest park lot and discov that had hit wire wheel type hubcap larg cage thi hubcap weigh pound impact had bent left peg flat frame and tweek shifter process had not heard approach cap feel certian that san portion left foot had thi sort experi not hub cap lumber yard deliveri truck made life interest hit dip road and sheet sheetrock and dozen gallon can spackl mph real interest for second had us wood mallet dri spackl helmet and bike home bob tail kenworth and lumber truck had path drive made tire and threw monsoon tire ran can spackl didn burst impact car front lane hit brake and nail bridg abut half second messiest time san diego back apart ocean beach sportster and had pick shake burger fri jack box and stuf foul weather jacket milk shake open nimitz blvd mph noth smell vanilla milk shake cook engin run your groin and leg and peopl wait back you make left turn you two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	boom hubcap attack previou articl speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer attack rabid hubcap onc work yamaha twin vibrat tank heard wierd nois left caught glimps silver head for left foot and jerk nanosecond bike hit hard left side put foot back peg found that not pull into nearest park lot and discov that had hit wire wheel type hubcap larg cage thi hubcap weigh pound impact had bent left peg flat frame and tweek shifter process had not heard approach cap feel certian that san portion left foot hmmmm wonder that hubcap dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	max handl request previou articl ntuvax ntu ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl you kid thi flame bait extrem max handl har har har har dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
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rec.motorcycles	hard copi hot pursuit previou articl wcd uxa cso uiuc edu daniel warren thi run hard copi don watch that kat not latest machin high perform machin and slam brake cous that cage disco light can stop fast high perform machin happen cage plow into kat thi mean cop fault for rear end bike you close and reckless drive dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl ridden twice design monster straight line noth fzr corner fact didn handl that curv hei that not design two cent alan
rec.motorcycles	rejet carb mark kromer thu apr gmt wibbl articl rtaraz bigwpi ramin taraz wrote amount exhaust allow leav engin exhaust pipe make that differ amount air fuel mixtur that cylend suck suck depend speed piston and pressur cylind end exhaust stroke poor exhaust system thi pressur atmospher pipe that scaveng thi substanti below atmospher thi effect will vari rpm depend tune pipe pipe combin larg valv overlap can revers intak flow and blow mixtur carb pipe effect rev rang question resist engin consern resist that exhaust resist that result bike push and rider two complet thing state pipe determin power motor can make load bike determin power motor make ark fzr pilot payload mechan you for glad that fuel inject needl and orific and venturi and pressur wors school human biologi reproduct lesson sex made feel bit queasi nick simpl mind biker dod concis oxford tube rider lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl tcora gator pica armi mil tcora pica armi mil tom coradeschi write articl apr walter bellcor fist iscp bellcor richard pierson wrote let thi fault stuff straight live start rate alot move and rate alot and stori you sit park lot lunch and wack you guess insur pai for give bzzzt driver fault your insur pai you deduct recoup total cost gui gal compani fanci word for escap and pai you deduct you can gui gal compani take longer your cash oppos state farm cut check todai spot for damag wife cage word subrog you will wait for monei scumbag insur that you save pai deduct scumbag insur scum insur you pai deduct your insur pack rabid larg fang lawyer recov damag scum insur lawyer sad true call job secur for lawyer chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	bike big dog articl apr cua edu wendel cua edu write heard rider give big dog such great dane ride back bike dog love make work wendel cua edu back tricki boulder gui that can golden retriev sidecar dog wear wwii style goggl joke nick coburn dod ama cbr cbr coburnn spot colorado edu
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want frankb sad frank ball write godfrei digiorgi ramarren appl wrote ducati model essenti reduc displac mean weigh and size power produc specif meet vehicl tax restrict market make commerci viabl not sold unneed and unwant such somewhat larg and overweight for motor will handl magnific won fast flaw mention limit steer lock annoy note tester and mirror aren perfect ducati model essenti reduc displac mean weigh and size nope lb lightrer power and brake singl disk that quit impress two finger lever beth horror lift rear wheel fine randi mamola impress such somewhat larg and overweight for motor will handl magnific won fast feel that fast that beth will give liter bike rider fit futur flaw mention limit steer lock steer lock adjust annoy note tester and mirror aren perfect beth see fine fill black leather concour sophist ladi tom dietrich sportster sport for sale dod spike garag rat ama queu for fssnoc two joust and gather big fun kspt bell cool rule sometim mail txd mkt lewi disclaim take respons for opinion preced thi
rec.motorcycles	dot tire date code mail thi notic long cut tread rear tire vfr cut deep tread block and scratch rubber base weird thing edg haven scuf tire question danger thi replac tire and sinc cut unscuf portion and tire you chanc get replac warranti nedod mail list and jack tavar suggest check tire tactic for get replac file read date code handi dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	fat boi versu math articl pimfd cre agat berkelei edu robinson cogsci berkelei edu michael robinson write articl mcz ccu umanitoba klinger ccu umanitoba jorg klinger write apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write manual velcro mar wibbl greater greater obviou that number last year hot improv thi year can question hell dad us that beat todai break sweat twisti thi year cumbersom for practic us repeat decim rememb good dai hexadecim and even binari legal smoke blue stuff pipe had hex that slaughter decim road sigh such nostalgia regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride articl wkbp eskimo maven eskimo norman hamer write gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow interest discuss limit standard serv alcohol ride and alcohol special fine al good wine vsop don drink alcohol isn import for financi reason magazin claim follow aviat guidelin alcohol whatsoev hr ride compani bike don rememb mag year ago regard charl hicc dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	for joh dhhalden last wvnvm wvnet edu write ducati uue quuncd ver theodor kaldi begin cut cut part nyr afkin apyt thi gif great backdrop apollo thingi and peopl stop and admir that troubl contact archiv site stuff thi good gif don hesit post bra thing nick idiot biker dod concis oxford bra lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	camp question sanjai sinha apr gmt wibbl post previou quest for camp info anoth question not strictli stuff for thermo flask coffe hot mean real hot unbreak type metal type wast monei not match vacuum glass type info appreci sanjai back youth ahem wiffi and moi purchas gadget heat water sourc for car us thought work apart slight problem had rev lower and motor die lack electron movement made for interest cup coffe plot rout that contain straight mile that had suffici time water boil point thi sometim difficult england good luck your quest nick biker dod concis oxford lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	turbocharg motorbik north america articl apr skyfox howp skyfox write think don manufactur make bike turbo etc add lot expens and complex and make for reliabl and control bike extrem exampl turbo cost mike hailwood replica ducati david edmondson david dc qmw queen mari westfield colleg dod guzzi man thi mean end hors drawn zeppelin
rec.motorcycles	cat and dog jame bessett jimb cbnewsj att wrote articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write heard dog breeder that chain bicycl and motorcycl produc high frequenc squeak that dog love chase breeder chase bmw cam chain mike mike mitten gnome org emori org gnome ama dod ironi spice life bianchi backstreet suzuki revolut will not televis
rec.motorcycles	boom hubcap attack speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer attack rabid hubcap onc work yamaha twin vibrat tank heard wierd nois left caught glimps silver head for left foot and jerk nanosecond bike hit hard left rest delet had thi sort experi dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can hubcap attack fairli common cager incompet reinstal properli chang tire check collis luckili heavi that you moor dod don forget immort swap file read error you lose your mind
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frazier park apr yuma prison run mailin gate camp apr paso robl clean sober run paso robl fairground apr shamrock annual scenic bywai tour start rout simi vallei honda av cycl part baselin san bernadino picnic bbq lake hugh apr mra chap poker run american legion south peri steve hill ama grand nat dirt track seri race pomona fairplex kpfk centerstand radio show and car show will broadcast live autobook etc magnolia burbank carshow start noonb centerstand abat poker run east end bucklin park imperi vallei includ food entertain barbara pmc annual greenhorn tour song dog ranch spring ralli overnight camp thi famousmotorcycl campground you can eat drink bbq dinner sundai bkfst person reserv april song dog ranch cuyama ojai thi number bsa owner club spring ride castaic land album releas celebr helmet law suck billi gordon blue rocker vida hot spring lambert east mile left special guest raffl annual spring round rodeo abat bike game pin raffl start game noon coupl free you join robbi restaur 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rec.motorcycles	bmwmoa controversi articl rider joe rider cactu org write vech msstate edu craig vechorik write good boi that long agre you that current board garbag vote you simpli trade form trash for anoth oppon your select equal time joe don you post you ration bmwmoa folk left rest summari current state affair your esteem organ togeth histor outlin you contretemp point will deduct for shout bulg vein templ area pete ahren
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorcycl piss articl lsp mginnud cash utexa edu mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir write thi noth motorcycl you bike thi noth motorcycl you amazona bike keith hanlan keithh bnr bell northern research ottawa canada
rec.motorcycles	bmw batteri keith hanlan wed apr gmt wibbl articl apr msstate edu vech msstate edu craig vechorik write rememb correctli reason that bmw come expens and rel worthless short live varda batteri bmw own control interest that batteri manufactur wrong bmw batteri never had problem and numer peopl that origin batteri year beemer kai origin batteri nick suffici charg biker dod concis oxford lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	turbocharg motorbik north america articl dc qmw david dc qmw dave edmondson write extrem exampl turbo cost mike hailwood replica ducati can scroung good turbo will trade mhr duc for jeff earl jearl tekig pen tek dod kottg kotspt wmtc ama millennium falcon squid factor klr thumpi hit button chewi han solo ain nothin mph sweeper idaho rocki
rec.motorcycles	der whassa deltabox articl unisql rai unisql rai shea write can deltabox frame and relat that frame hawk that time gui come park lot and sez hei dude nice bike that deltabox frame can duh huh deltabox regist trademark yamaha us describ aluminum perimet frame design us fzr and fzr cross section side appear call pentabox dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl secur bike park front bar week dog and wander find had happen stole damn dog left harlei dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	ticket advic worth you paid can anoth subject that gener contradictori advic traffic law and enforc opinion and dead acur inform extrem difficult come dmv doesn cop don your traffic school instructor doesn vehicl code tell part stori judg choos interpret law wide varieti wai and public larg seldom hear advic that doesn disagre experienc you don suggest you copi vehicl code studi and sit dai two court and happen read fight your ticket don miss section end your chanc lousi and you basic screw you guess pretti system california carefulli prepar for court bring wit and reveal hole offic stori slap maximum allow fine assess messag clear that judg not john public case advic you find ticket traffic school you can matter lawyer lawyer can present exact case you differ sentenc paul thompson appl comput
rec.motorcycles	bike sold net mile articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write bike sold long distanc love hear bought vfr gui san jose net that mile odomet mark andi live pittsburgh bought dude massachusett connecticut axel
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng your primari concern protect passeng event crash fit for helmet that size your primari concern compli stupid helmet law carri real big spare you can put big small head big helmet not small green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	dot tire date code rec motorcycl cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write nedod mail list and jack tavar suggest check tire tactic for get replac file read date code handi quit simpl code week and year manufactur rich sturg nswc carderock divis speak for and listen
rec.motorcycles	bike sold net mile articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write bike sold long distanc love hear bought moto guzzi univ grad student charlottesvil last spring mark cervi cervi oasi navi mil dod mgnoc moto guzzi kinda bike that moto guzzi that italian mark cervi carderockdiv nswc code annapoli cervi oasi navi mil
rec.motorcycles	bike and contact articl apr skcla monsanto mpmena skcla monsanto write michael man that blockhead gargoyl thing that work for michael menard you showin highland hous compar sunglass weather saturdai sundai suck todai time good you give for gargoyl you want mine you can bridg nose hold face deal for two friend for peopl us full face helmet bet fit you and complaint person oaklei desir squid attir gargoyl aren that ugli even opinion wouldn michael man mman icomsim nextmail accept flstf fatboi ducati
rec.motorcycles	bike contact lens radial keratotomi articl rice edu jcn rice edu write radial keratotomi want per ey that lot contact lens and sunglass and lot monei make tini mistak jeff nichol don exactli your ey chang contact correct for question thi due strang conic shape your cornea take surgeri michael man mman icomsim nextmail accept flstf fatboi ducati
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want articl qhm mb new ysu edu albion bower yfn ysu edu write yeah mph quarter such slug come last time you us your max power peak you ride pass judgement lot maximum acceler didn mean impli that ninja duc talk duc owner owner that power overwhelm that love guess bit specif you that weigh that for extra cube that fact that gtv show that don care maximum power slug exclus note and handl import bought ninja couldn afford duc didn mean ruffl feather get year mark mark burnham markb novel ama dod alfa romeo gtv ninja
rec.motorcycles	rejet carb articl jburnei hydra nodc noaa gov jburnei hydra nodc noaa gov jeff burnei write talk stroke can understand exhaust puls affect stroke intak valv close exhaust stroke and ga push cyclind guess ga compress that affect amount push limit factor header pipe and not canist mean gase line canist effect exhaust stroke gase compress that for discuss purpos will ignor dynam effect puls exhaust pipe and paint mental pictur engin supercharg pressur forc air into intak tract atmospher time intak valv open pressur differenti move air differ combust chamber pressur left exhaust stroke and atmospher piston decend intak stroke combust chamber pressur decreas allow atmospher pressur move air into intak tract time pressur becom neg even approach good vacuum time exhaust valv close pressur combust chamber essenti pressur exhaust system major flow restrict muffler note that volum ga that flow exhaust larger volum that flow intak temperatur differ and product combust last year japanes manufactur start pai attent exhaust and intak tune pursuit almighti horsepow thi point time high perform bike substitut aftermarket free flow air filter will almost affect perform stock intak system flow substitut aftermarket exhaust system will make differ gener exhaust system louder stocker older bike exhaust back pressur domin factor free flow air filter substitut differ note free flow exhaust system instal gener engin can visual air pump rpm that will engin pump air intak exhaust side will produc horsepow pump air will requir recalibr rejet carburetor dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride person follow alcohol rule bike view that you such high degre control that alcohol potenti hazard bike hurt fault don want wreck katana develop thi philosophi impromptu experi had beer even and had volleybal practic wasn even close leagl intox couldn perform even basic thing thi made view alcohol and intox you fine your reaction affect such that you unabl recov hit rock even gust wind greatli enjoi social drink for doesn mix ride max enjoy eric
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas you gave advic custom recommend had bike compress test compress low even across cylind psi that test cold that explain low number thi sound bike look great sign road rash and rust thi bike great shop get tune and tire opt for metzler and tire post thi thread thi bike big compar bike alot harder load trailer kdx road legal tomorrow ignor afforement concern transmiss and take chanc relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup dod number busi ride jami burnsid jburnsid mit edu
rec.motorcycles	fault insur compani for fault coverag sinc major accid cager fault doesn thi impli that pai higher rate fault system car system make sens surfac legal cost system motorcyclist screw michael chuck bain meb icdf boe semi loud pipe save live
rec.motorcycles	rejet carb jump into middl thi thread not talk comment rec motorcycl davet interceptor cd tek dave tharp cd write engin supercharg pressur forc air into intak tract atmospher time intak valv open pressur differenti move air differ combust chamber pressur left exhaust stroke and atmospher piston decend intak stroke combust chamber pressur decreas allow atmospher pressur move air into intak tract time pressur becom neg even approach good vacuum number factor that import biggest air veloc air momentum and shock wave veloc stack us for year and us insid stock airbox number bike tune engin rpm stack can greatli increas speed and momentum air rush air momentum critic get good air intak momentum air stack combust chamber will forc insid long piston begun compress stroke shock wave us induc air intak and prevent fresh air escap exzhaust port shock wave product expans chamber mean present wall open close air motion thi lost mysteri design for shock wave rich sturg nswc carderock divis speak for and listen
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint cheerfulli spent bottl testor model paint and repaint scratch and chip for minut question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng rule thumb don give ride peopl that wear bigger helmet you your tast run that famili friend gee remind dancer hull river ottowa that year ago for bought bigger helmet even bike want two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorcycl piss articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl castl wbg festiv geak write banana isn imho ultra sticki label print your favourit curs good even local hospit us wheel clamp put size each window cage your local hospit favorit curs your skin stick frozen bed pan your appl juic mistakenli drawn urinalisi lab two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	contact person for boot articl apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write dodland give contact purchas pair militari air born combat boot size boot read rec moto calf height boot that us velcro for enclosur phone and carri such item admit not into deepest bowel nyc for search made call bigger armi navi type store luck place that carri such item mail order appreci velcro jump boot issu militari two kind made cochran and sell for cloth sale store cavalri price match cav store second sold somewhat cheaper design don care you wear long eyelet high anoth boot call tanker boot thi similar construct wellington boot for boot shape and strap that wrap for tight nice boot two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir thing fault isn two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl secur articl tekgen tek davet interceptor cd tek dave tharp cd write bike park front bar week dog and wander find had happen stole damn dog left harlei anim right peopl that bike ride dog cat and racoon two type ship navi submarin and target dod rais richard pierson vnet internet fist iscp bellcor uunet uunet bcr fist includ std disclaim opinion don shop mall bui jean jacket and ammo store
rec.motorcycles	bui vrf mark bricker mnb rit edu wrote market for bike and recent found honda vrf dealership bike mile and had two previou owner employe dealership told good care bike two question thi mile for bike thi not mile for car unfamiliar life span bike thi decent price unfamilar price for us bike blue book for bike for car for advic you can give mark mark not mile vfr sold maintain vfr mile and engin mint condit that bike need steer head bear and fork bush and seal gui bought had mechan pull valv cover top end compress check etc confirm mint for price steep bought mile year ago and absolut cherri condit for bluebook your bank credit union for price coupl ad for vfr dollar rang low mile mint condit didn vfr sweet bike and will last you forev you maintain thing for btw soft front end vfr indic mile fork spring total shot progress spring fix good luck ken snyder loc hewlett packard lsid lake steven instrument div soper hill road gte everett ken lsid
rec.motorcycles	bui vrf mark bricker mnb rit edu wrote market for bike and recent found honda vrf dealership bike mile and had two previou owner employe dealership told good care bike two question thi mile for bike thi not mile for car unfamiliar life span bike thi decent price unfamilar price for us bike blue book for bike for car for advic you can give mark ken snyder loc hewlett packard lsid lake steven instrument div soper hill road gte everett ken lsid
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorcycl piss read you folk thing illeg park car made carri cinder block bike readi damag kei carv etc cage had idea chain lube isn for chain anymor reason perman damag lot work don us anywher windshield door handl keyhol etc nasti mood rain ken snyder loc hewlett packard lsid lake steven instrument div soper hill road gte everett ken lsid
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impact previou articl npet bnr nick pettefar jonathan quist thu apr gmt wibbl articl txd mkt txd esd tom dietrich write previou articl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher lot thing quot nice thing hors that break middl you can eat and tasti fuel bit cheaper per gallon bushel perhap eat amount dai matter you ride and you don fuel die annual basi spend bike stuff ami wife hors stuff two hors umm lessee bike ride constantli ride time week even you count insur and cost garag built get cheaper and fun imho fast chanc mike
rec.motorcycles	dod paraphernali stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford articl pppnrinnitg cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun steve buni wrote decal thicker vinyl geeki temporari tatoo mean rub exempt razz that sick want you make promis order wannab badtothebon cheesi live ride eagl sit shelf wait for big ride coast hit point farther south expect contact bai area denizen repli address below charli will earli mid idea temporari geeki geeki geeka geekii fit dod imag sound bad wors ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli slmr luca built weapon war wouldn start comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl courier subject motorcycl courier summer job repli will start earnest return trip pacif coast geograph featur not bike ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live slmr bike will travel quickli quickli comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die articl qegpf sixgun east sun egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write sound ludicr for biker advoc restrict bike bike forum don you mean motorcyclist roid
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl apr megatek randi megatek randi davi write rider pilot happi had such effect your choic word seth time respect respons post that randi post doesn count dearth respons and didn want feel randi curiou thi dod thing number roid
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl oxz cellar org craig cellar org saint craig write true rider real ride attitud will offer wave weather harlei honda bike inless case bike your and you low acknowleg thi you find case harlei rider give wave and ride secur knowleg that persob huh roid
rec.motorcycles	recommend for front tire articl hrxj ac unix amherst edu nrmendel unix amherst edu nathaniel endel write ken orr orr epcot spdc wrote articl unix amherst edu nrmendel unix amherst edu nathaniel mendel write steve mansfield smm rodan net wrote front tire dead minim tread left time for recommend good tire front ride almost brand back steve mansfield system learn equal smm uunet net street realiti weak and poor will fall suzuki tip power balanc and tear crown dod educ mass burn white hous queensrych speak word thing match front and back that perfect such good tire that perfect rear match for front laser dod ama orr epcot spdc yeah nathaniel dod you front tire motorcycl grin
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl qmvutinn lynx unm edu galwai chtm eec unm edu deni mckeon write heavi traffic slow bit buffer zone front balanc minim buffer find that jerk will notic traffic move faster lane switch into and pass fine can ey jerk ahead front split attent ahead and mirror thi pretti damn complic make back motion hand arm and second time even braindead cager back don back find hell cager psychot drunk complet asshol case don want anywher and not front curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	choke ninja problem articl apr kuhub ukan edu starr kuhub ukan edu write put supertrapp slip and had carb jet match set filter that replac stock airbox huge flat spot carbur thousand rpm gear thi frustrat highwai bike like cruis mph happen rpm sixth gear had tune and thi doesn think carb inject system gpz suggest for fix restor stock starr kuhub ukan edu brain dead ted nugent sound that your carb not jet properli you shop and shop your monei back and anoth shop bennett leve sabr drown throw orlando bagel hoggl hoggl bleve peora sdc ccur
rec.motorcycles	airhorn review for you think fiamm you want airhorn instal set bosch air horn order denni kirk latest catalog rate meter instal gage wire batteri relai compressor ground stock horn connector fit relai pin fine solder connect relai and compressor and us crimp type batteri connector and inlin amp fuse connector napa instal compressor forward fuse box front fair tie wrap steer head frame and black steel tube frame us support front fair you remov front fair thi fit frame insid fair two vertic support front fuse depend tight your fair follow frame you fit fair compressor diamet and long relai mount front steer head frame small plenti good place for found perfect place for horn that requir tie wrap mount horn fit insid front fair frame and stick side front air scoop turn signal back horn point back center bike and come real close ga tank connect front part frame room full lock lock clearanc and nice cut out frame for back horn into short horn even fair and long stick inch not that notic you close end point slightli and degre straight ahead perfect for cager chang lane into you you question mount email and can explain your bike not red you want paint work you loud sound european sport car truck vast improv stock us daili sinc instal and amp fuse not blown durat horn blast short repeatedli scare shit friend even that horn jump perfect for keep pedestrian sidewalk bottom line work loud pain and suffer stupid lane chang cage year live and rel easi instal ymmv tjk horn that suit you fight fire comment aerostich
rec.motorcycles	bui advic need for advic bui susuki inher flaw bike problem for insur rate thi bike blacklist person never ridden motorcycl bui start crazi told peopl start small and that lage handl start pound tad bit small yeah question chicago area good instruct school program aquant bui and kill get home brian email direcli not chanc read your group
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write agreement that two explan for can us handlebar lean move motorcycl question effect domin and idea design experi seaprat two characterist and effect produc similar result bike familiar you point experi difficult physic situat calcul fact effect contribut lean bike begin turn gyro effect caus torqu twist bike contact patch shift side caus bike fall contact patch acceler side caus torqu twist bike averag bike rider averag bike wheel and speed and mph calcul twist bar need produc degre lean second each effect alon guess that slow speed domin and high speed domin and speed contribut not bugger rel speak similar problem thi runner run round corner lean into corner fast run group start counter foot argument and fall work round corner chri malcolm cam aifh depart artifici intellig edinburgh univers forrest hill edinburgh dod
rec.motorcycles	kawasaki for sale includ tha sale cover cover not sold separ trailer not sold pat
rec.motorcycles	info sport cruiser for sport cruiser factori instal fair full half hard saddl bag and and that and that sporti and seri bmw bike wonder compar type bike produc compani bmw for info jae jae cmu edu
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack azw aber andi woodward write revers thi sequenc hit bugger acceller stabilis hate thing that attack dog think you run establish domin funni noisi sheep thing and will attack bike that come for fun you can hurt bugger learn that below bike peck order and you save life futur biker evas action avoid dog put truck never avoid dog for dog sake you hate admit thi sort twist logic thi approach biker world and dog anoth worthless adversari rememb wear calf height leather boot case dog get lucki and sink teeth into your attack foot and for gusto that dog doesn retreat street tail leg time you you haven your bit for your fellow biker thi appli cage can thi dog and armor cage doesn fair fight dog control menac road user and compunct felt ensur your safeti mean destruct forc game not you dog eat dog world dave
rec.motorcycles	moa stuff hotli contest bmwoa elect and inept leadership question histori bmw organ that lead format bmwra year ago that precipit format two compet owner group stave flame rel member group and differ slick magazin major differ that gui fun art art campbel artc world std compuserv dod real bmw two wheel opinion noth thi world beat vincent and redhead girl richard thompson
rec.motorcycles	happi easter ranck joesbar edu ranck write nick pettefar npet bnr wrote english car rover reliant morgan bristol roll royc etc talk harlei technolog morgan peopl us technolog suspens design hasn chang sinc wheel back and not had reach pinnacl good design that point you want pick morgan not attack ash wood frame hand bent metal skin and replac thought kingpost suspens mog featur karen black
rec.motorcycles	dog biker and dog lover and foremost want mention common sens choic injur kill dog get injur kill ration decis insan anim right kook put dog second learn read dog bodi languag you react dog chase you think game and that you plai complet you react dog hostil intent learn present dog dog social beast and recogn domin submiss hierarchi dog two type fellow creatur that domin and that domin you unambigu repres class you god you easili anger and your anger terribl god amus properli submit domin and even rare occas dispens kind word kind word even joi raptur unforeseen dog bisquit that relat bike good idea assum that dog chase motorcycl game and not overt hostil msf suggest good you dog come slow determin place intercept you and reach that spot punch throttl that reach you long dog second react input and cannot comprehend acceler that motorcycl capabl hostil dog you repeatedli encount stronger measur thi face and import make you never face dog territori face road not drivewai larg stick roll newspap etc beast will understand that will hurt stand your ground slowli advanc your mental attitud that you angri and dispens terribl punish larger dog greater your anger dog will pick anger can pick fear and sinc you and not home territori suddenli dawn dog that perhap your territori and that you prepar fight death dog will decid that good idea retreat territori home advantag observ that you satisfi that retreat gestur submiss and escap punish interest thing dog that bodi languag commun great deal effect you commun bodi languag you year pound beast learn trick
rec.motorcycles	misc bui info need think bui motorcycl and question bui guid for us motorcycl that list reliabl bui process for etc price guid for us motorcycl blue book book articl ride cross countri motorcycl camp etc idiot guid motorcycl relat inform help respond directli lot jordan
rec.motorcycles	drain batteri problem batteri honda nighthawk week dead and recharg ride bike dai batteri and charg system check and fine suspicion that drain you idea caus thi problem sinc mechan and clueless ljubomir
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect rec motorcycl klinger ccu umanitoba jorg klinger write apr icomsim mman icomsim michael man write peopl wave return wave harlei harlei rider seldom wave back duck squid don wave return wave even each can hand bar fall problem that squid and badassbik can recogn each wave you ride cruiser you wave lift two finger left hand remov that hand handlebar you ride crotch rocket you lower left hand ankl level palm forward and call that wave gener bike rider rais hand handlebar and wave easi wave chri
rec.motorcycles	lane share year ride citi san jose santa clara and sunnyval never into conflict local polic lane split habit citi list earlier anti split anoth can whether thi due luck polic kind not ordin citi continu revco
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write previou post dog attack gener bad karma weather attempt dog attack approv method slow screw dog triangul target and laugh dog you thi time didn work didn time ride hill lead hous encount liver and white springer spaniel relat springer softail springer spagthorp close relat spagthorp vike dog encount intent harm interest dog collis stori delet worri accid thi don prevent travel slower thi not necessarili unreason suggest for residenti area ride speed limit worri happen had car dog consol thought that insan bdi cager whip blind drivewai mph for that matter drivewai long for car hit mph end eagerli await comment drivewai and half neighbor drivewai long good click mph for veloc impair want grant live countri neighbor whip drivewai mention mph quit bit claim can that road for quit wai thi despit hit drive chev and twice take speed bicycl hood car that had pull stop driver car two month apart obmoto scari relev part that peopl and live type twisti two lane that favor for ride and damn that can bike not couldn pickup ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live slmr hurt dammit jim doctor comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop noth pitter patter feet word hei you not daddi had onc dean woodward you want step into world dean fring rain socio psychot state bliss virago gun rose world dod
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write cked for insur had dwi and for beemer rec vehicl cost almost buck insur year sell bike and car and start take bu that you can drink your prioriti lai expect that thi list lost friend drive drunk that collect sympathi will somewhat mute show great restraint keith hanlan keithh bnr bell northern research ottawa canada
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want articl qmnga new ysu edu yfn ysu edu albion bower write previou articl bgardner pebbl blain gardner guess touch exactli ducati twin desmo that half twin balanc weight cylind second for isn bad specif ran quater last small twin duc and pantah base twin pantah and ran credit modern carb and not put high btw fzr ran mid and latest crop japanes will run that hard rememb goof will clobber handili top end and roll technolog stand for not hard rememb bought place speed war cbx eleven mile and hors that wouldn even make good dai paid for technolog isn thing that chang ride across state guess indic thing chang that second didn line blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl apr cbnewsm att shz mare att keeper tude write huh roid complet tack eventu outcom babe bad mouth biker chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	happi easter karen black karen angelo amd wrote ranck joesbar edu ranck write nick pettefar npet bnr wrote english car rover reliant morgan bristol roll royc etc talk harlei technolog morgan peopl us technolog you want pick morgan not attack ash wood frame hand bent metal skin and replac thought kingpost suspens mog featur hei wasn pick morgan us technolog that noth wrong technolog peopl us shovel dig hole even lot power implement dig hole bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi karr cornel edu david karr write organ act easi can and organ will larg determin presid and director can that make import vote elect offic rememb heard that last elect member cast vote current board and friend and rel make membership plan stai club long vote and result strike that bmwmoa lot polit activ state and nation arena not infight organ chang thi join group that polit wouldn support moa polit activ that sens ama that and moa support ama manner that ama that accomplish strong front two not neccessarili coordin joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi vech msstate edu craig vechorik write wrote slash two blue for bit humor lack moa owner new stuff rode dai that rode second dai thi admit surpris find interest read bore and worthless mag bodi sens humor peopl had mine dunno peopl your intend humor like articl you forget that you step into polit arena intent you intend you walk china store carri that your head you you repres membership dai you don american polit light heart joke segment popul can limelight obmoto manag squeak refer joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi cdw dayhoff med virginia edu danc feder ranger write bui bmw cast vote for groucho thought you gonna bui bmw for superior power and handl joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want spoke sale dweeb ducati dealer blighti and had noth good appear waaaai underpow basic engin and qualiti problem rusti frame save your penni bui
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi heard academ polit thought appli bmwmoa polit dirti stake small care due worth ad and occasion technic articl new skip gener drab articl trek across iowa folk thrill power bmwmoa deserv thrill sad live provid btw vote for blood thing stir henri prang physiolog sch med blgtn dod bmwmoa gsi ride conv cage explor cage tenet major religion you wrong you deserv punish
rec.motorcycles	extraordinari footpeg engin exb csdvax csd unsw edu wrote dod er goddamn mysteri for goodi love puzzl watson game afoot todai turn degre corner dai slight differ rough spot path caus suspens compress mid corner and part bike hit ground tangibl thunk pull opportun su damag stuff delet you engin type you explain thi can you rip tightli fit steel thread thread hole alloi damag thread hole thi sort tech design thingo guess you make left turn correct edg stud contact road caus turn and unthread you had make turn tighten stud bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post mj sy uea mike sixsmith write mj secondli adhes mj tyre road suspens geometri and ground clearanc mj motorcycl dictat quickli you can swerv avoid obstacl and mj not knowledg physic rider ear you mj suggest that counterst knowledg enabl you corner faster mj compet you manag egreen east sun write not will hei you didn give chanc sheesh answer absolut eloqu describ put two rider ident machin and that will faster improv your techniqu you idea trial and error not effect methodolog understand techniqu steer motorcycl can improv that techniqu hold that thi appli human endeavor li kei thi thread kindli note differ respons and talk know ride techniqu mike argu know physic taught techniqu counterst push bar insid turn that learn fizzik gyroscop and ic cream cone and such parallel thread that stuff interest techno motorcycl geek reader rec motorcycl doesn taught averag student learn steer mike doesn make distinct peopl can carv circl couldn you newton hand intellig educ peopl that you steer motorcycl lean steer bicycl combin and knowledg physic doesn you squat knowledg techniqu bill
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl oxz cellar org craig cellar org saint craig write true rider real ride attitud will offer wave weather harlei honda bike inless case bike your and you low acknowleg not wave wink you ey hard that shield and sunglass hei you true rider real ride attitud you sens chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	dog articl mrc ikkoku kan panda mrc ikkoku kan panda mark crispin write hostil dog you repeatedli encount stronger measur thi face and import make you never face dog territori face road not drivewai larg stick roll newspap etc beast will understand that will hurt stand your ground slowli advanc your mental attitud that you angri and dispens terribl punish larger dog greater your anger thi tactic depend for effect dog conform psycholog norm that not appli dog success won work charli manson dog that stupid larg irish setter taught thi yard appar territori dai plai game game kill angri neighbor can dispens terribl punish chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	asshol articl jrobbin apr kingston ucla edu you rambl articl lee sea ucla edu small thunder sea ucla edu jame small write asshol scooter owner tripl park bike todai jim call propl asshol you flame learn spell asshol endem two wheel motor commun that jason wise respect hahahha made stereotyp remark unsophist you you had come your ivori tower and stoop you lower level geekism endem albino phoosbal plai commun and drive volvo rememb send your flame jrobbin ucla edu formal educ can not provid dod
rec.motorcycles	safe drive prcatic articl cvbnetprim rbemben timewarp prime rich bemben write never dilli dalli that rear side cage you pass make posit and you can pass fulli make that you attempt you can make driver awar you get into area vision thi read lot philosophi musashi book ring section long sword that strong and decis hmmm thing chang ride ey awful thing call your pillion rich fear not evil men name evil heaven protect evil men name good power corrupt check explos that cryptographi polici whitehous fridai caus curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	misc bui info need think bui motorcycl and question bui guid for us motorcycl that list reliabl bui process for etc price guid for us motorcycl blue book book articl ride cross countri motorcycl camp etc idiot guid motorcycl relat inform help respond directli lot jordan jonathan field field ci ohio state edu
rec.motorcycles	wheel rear wheel for part find salvag long get givi luggag for brunnhild and room thought carri spare ride free bill johnsw wsuvm csc wsu edu prez bimc kotv kotrr dod ama spi wmtc kotd yamabeem pdr special and volvo pain inevit suffer option
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die rec motorcycl egreen east sun write rev throttl requir di engag clutch acceler not harlei chri
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl rememb commerci for cheap top heavi import cage back driver wear stuck fake anounc smile straight fit
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas articl apr mit edu jburnsid mit edu jami burnsid write relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup isn thi redund
rec.motorcycles	dog articl mrc ikkoku kan panda mrc ikkoku kan panda mark crispin write biker and dog lover biker such horrid reput find human interest thing dog that bodi languag commun great deal effect you commun bodi languag you agre complet major feel can even start ration abhout dog that kill fear moment set you bit road never had problem dog curt howland ac dod eff howland nsipo nasa gov sabr meddl not afair wizard for make soggi and hard light
rec.motorcycles	rgv and pose articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl spam math adelaid edu amydlak spam math adelaid edu adam mydlak write squid delet helment law vari state state state louisiana law personali not feet bike law law helment will save your life feet draw line blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	comment honda interceptor articl apr skyfox howp skyfox write purchas honda interceptor for cdn don mileag thi bike pictur trader magazin good shape can enlighten whether thi good purchas good bike thi will bike realiz that for beginn consid bit bike heard friend that onc beginn that had start that start bigger bike care and not drive skill level had consid and post two week ago purchas yamaha seca turbo wari prospect deal turbo road and shop thi bike price drop cdn honda good bike comment word heavi steer heavi turn requir alot effort hard access larg motor weak small front fork anti dive gizmo
rec.motorcycles	bike for sale usa recent becom father twin don can afford bike and babi babi stai harlei xlhd hei wife bike speed chain secondari lace wheel buckhorn tachomet saddlebag support sissi bar high flow air cleaner dark candi red jeff derienzo zorro tyngsboro
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli xlyx vax cit cornel edu xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	flash articl apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write bike hazard light front and back turn signal flash sinc live and commut nyc number toll pai rout arriv toll booth switch hazard thisto warn motorist that will take longer second make transact take glove get monei coin changer pocket make transact put glove back take time averag cager take make transact pai toll notic that thi cager tend messag and anoth booth question thi good bad thing thi sound good thing tend will whenev don handi dandi automat coin fetcher toll payer annett for tip chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	antifreez coolant for you motorcycl liquid cool persuas brand coolant you us and for aluminum safe coolant prefer phosphat free and prefer cheaper gallon can you kaw dealer quart for offici bless holi kawasaki coolant pai that usuri chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write articl tcora gator pica armi mil tcora pica armi mil tom coradeschi write articl apr walter bellcor bzzzt driver fault your insur pai you deduct recoup total cost gui gal compani fanci word for escap and pai you deduct you can gui gal compani take longer your cash oppos state farm cut check todai spot for damag wife cage word subrog you will wait for monei scumbag insur that you save pai deduct scumbag insur scum insur you pai deduct your insur pack rabid larg fang lawyer recov damag scum insur lawyer sad true call job secur for lawyer chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi you sound suspici fault doesn even advertis get lawyer loop sigh anoth naiv illus toilet tommi mcguir mcguir utexa edu mcguir austin ibm will append disclaim outgo public inform identifi person and independ ibm
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect amaz number harlei rider wave even lowli babi ninja good attitud brock yate thi month car and driver readi for war rode buss biker freedom that wanna and obsess world your rearview mirror you run sun wheel rhestless heart marti ninja motosport
rec.motorcycles	camp backpack articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr bnr dave dal farra gpz bnr write crafti girfriend make campfir bbq starter mcgiver heck you make you can bui candl wax pound cheper candl hell save your candl stub and bring light and dribbl wax kindl wood and light that belli button lint eggshel case idea you feel industri event even you can soggi summer open fuel line drain piec rough rotten wood stick that into middl inferno and carefulli strike match kurt vonnegut titl chapter cat cradl whoom work charm time dod asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu kawi zephyr erik asphaug bmw
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl nielsmm nanna imv aau nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write dai rain cat and dog therefor speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw drive meter for meter and red light calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll window and told total idiot and reason thing niel mikkel yesss you make proud merkun good thing you didn shot don that good ol boi texa onc had jeep driver south conro cut car had flip for idiot and senseless lb stretch jeep walk back block traffic dalla and houston sinc freewai squeez into singl lane and stick that finger and rip your hand and shove your ass throat stare straight ahead unblink hundr car honk eventu back into jeep face beet red anger and rest back houston tail wave honk flip yell glad decid not shoot dod asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu kawi zephyr erik asphaug bmw
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl qjn sixgun east sun egreen east sun write waterski bike you turn handlebar left lean motorcycl thi support move contact patch beneath centr mass theori lean thi contradict for gyroscop precess counterst induc lean for waterski bike contradict noth for motorcycl not that thi morn for waterski bike sea doo for care watch lengthi carefulli and case and speed rider turn handlebar left left and word not counterst perhap waterski bike counterst curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	european insur europ advic for citizen live and work itali for year and bui motorcycl italian friend arriv washington state work for two year and find difficult obtain car insur thought licens motorcycl endors unlimit displac and had for year washington state motorcycl safeti instructor that info will post summari even person experi bui bike and get insur itali marc lewi two kind peopl world olivetti north america divid world into marcl mail spk olivetti two kind thing and don
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl detail tip mbeav bnr michael beavington write don you hate speedo and tach your bike start cloud that nasti sunshin detail tip week us rub compound moisten rag appli rub compound and work into transluc previous transpar materi minut work plastic face dial plastic face will clear onc will not work for glass btw not respons for damag incur method model can us treatment safe beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa ont canada dod seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabr gt can afford mbeav bnr mcguir make plastic scratch remov compound and plastic polish compound work great
rec.motorcycles	ship bike can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost rememb thread ship save instruct bike prep post email manish
rec.motorcycles	tire recomend for want articl apr cbnewsm att asalerno cbnewsm att antonio salerno write chen shing tire tire reason tire beacus hate and don feel safe recomend can tire toni throw vote for metzler economi tire good for mid size older bike rate mph wear and handl mile ride twisti work cost bit cheng irc etc sport metzler for newer bike cost chaparr for front and for rear jon mike corcoran mike corcoran sandiego ncr yamaha honda huski cross
rec.motorcycles	bdi experi kent polk kent swrind nde swri edu wrote watch your mirror time you turn had anoth close last night prepar for turn two lane road turn signal start turn and thi ladi hit throttl and start pass thi happen twice had thi happen that for ride work morn come stop light lane direct for left turn for straight and for turn mark mark bicycl lane ride into turn lane signal and stop stop line left can make turn red and start move discov that idiot pull into bike lane and pass grrr head check bike lane not for bicycl bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol you gui sort thi bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	ship bike previou articl manish uclink berkelei edu manish vij can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost hmmmmmm put your butt seat and follow road sign dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	antifreez coolant articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write for you motorcycl liquid cool persuas brand coolant you us and for aluminum safe coolant prefer phosphat free and prefer cheaper gallon can you kaw dealer quart for offici bless holi kawasaki coolant pai that usuri preston bui shopko for that gallon bmw even expens stuff kawasaki grape grown part fatherland bmw dave don worri chang yearli and top keep gretchen happi sinc guess rabbit aluminum radiat hoppi for year and mile guess aluminum safe owner late lament rochest bmw motorcycl and good gui pooder rochest dod you care peopl richard feynman share garag space gretchen harvei note repli address you want send mail
rec.motorcycles	bike big dog articl apr cua edu wendel cua edu write heard rider give big dog such great dane ride back bike dog love make work wendel cua edu larg malmut count heard and such irrespons childish stunt dog need assist straighten onc board owner lift front leg dog and throw driver pilot shoulder dog shit eat grin face and dog ass firmli plant seat dog and thi dog activ seek each camp parti hate each person steatopygia doh that ain hottentot sesquipedalian ama dod ain
rec.motorcycles	der whassa deltabox can deltabox frame and relat that frame hawk that time gui come park lot and sez hei dude nice bike that deltabox frame can duh huh yammi deltabox and hawk frame conceptu similar yammi name hawk purer twin spar frame design invest cast steer head and swing arm ti togeth aluminum extrud beam yammi solut bit complex godfrei digiorgi ramarren appl dod ama rule never sell ducati street find rule obei rule for thing ducati cinelli toyota krup nikon soni appl telebit
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write dan declerck declrckd rtsg mot wrote state fault auto insur thi appli you basic insur your vehicl and max you can sue for point made fault fact that remov lawyer system and let peopl monei faster remov lawyer reduc clog court system and reduc govern burden not requir judg work don peopl michigan peopl jersei fault hoax for year last heard state that fault insur increas rate that happen live chang reason will never back that state bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg colorado agent tell that fault appli medic coverag
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi ranck ranck joesbar edu wrote bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol concur thi polit and bicker ruin bmwmoa polit and fight current membership laps for renew hesh bmwra level superiour public opinion
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir tommi marcu mcguir mcguir utexa edu wrote you sound suspici fault doesn even advertis get lawyer loop sigh anoth naiv illus toilet sinc legisl lawyer difficult law pass that cut lawyer busi that fault insur law backfir bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl qjtr llb new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker write previou articl ntuvax ntu ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl you kid thi flame bait extrem max handl har har har har fast quickli lastest rumor rear wheel handl dream straight line and get tad upset review cycl world corner you can handl good big standard earli not compar what state art dai thi gleem review and discuss owner lust thi bike bradw newbridg sig plan clue dod
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl nielsmm nanna imv aau nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write dai rain cat and dog therefor speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw drive meter for meter and red light calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll window and told total idiot and reason thing absolut you cager will pull gun and blow you bob mugel jungl bob email rmugel oracl senior comput linguist phone oracl corp moto concour irv texa dod vegetarian eat veget bewar humanitarian bob
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas articl apr mit edu jburnsid mit edu jami burnsid write alot harder load trailer kdx road legal tomorrow ignor afforement concern transmiss and take chanc worri tran relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup dod number busi ride thi count cat dod faq mailx hahahha jburnsid mit edu wait press return chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	fault articl galileo rtn boe meb galileo rtn boe michael bain write insur compani for fault coverag sinc major accid cager fault doesn thi impli that pai higher rate fault system car system make sens surfac legal cost system motorcyclist screw yup point cost insur not fault crappiest driver make bandit longer bear respons pai for insur that boost price for crappi driver good driver pai nose spread cost crappi driver action and that not fair plan that cap rate for crappi driver inher piec shit rest end pai plan that speed ticket basi for rais rate piec shit base lie that faster driver inher safe slower driver and nhtsa disprov that two year ago chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint cheerfulli spent bottl testor model paint and repaint scratch and chip for minut question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng don stupid leav your helmet seat can fall and boom that kind fall helmet design protect you fall helmet and you hit spot helmet land drop helmet not protect your head intend conserv rec moto er will recommend that you replac helmet you want that will protect you adequ you helmet ground tabl chair shelf surfac that larg support that will not easili knock jeezu shoei replac you leav chanc cripe chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl apr cbnewsm att shz mare att keeper tude write rider pilot practic riceburn pass recent wave and wonder will last simpli overexuber that burner remov winter moth ball and novelti will dissip perhap grai beard that sprout sinc last rice season make friendli fart that deserv wave you rid that yorn and bui rice rocket your that explain friendli you had piec toilet paper stuck bottom your boot rich rich bemben dod rbemben timewarp prime triumph bonnevil fear not evil men name evil heaven protect evil men name good
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl detail tip chuck kuczaj csk wdl wdl loral wrote mbeav bnr michael beavington write mcguir make plastic scratch remov compound and plastic polish compound work great tip let motorcycl detail tip side instrument panel scuf previou owner dump bike true for turn signal scuf area black plastic recal read that plastic compound you coat scuf area rub end nice smooth shini finish idea toni toni jone ant crai uunet crai ant cmc codegener group softwar divis crai research inc lone oak drive eagan
rec.motorcycles	edu breath articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write differ opinion and differ motorcycl sport bike rider and cruiser bike rider that differ mind close mind individu had motorcycl time rider cruiser bike don eddi ride continu thi forum and street you find quit differ opinion motorcycl individu cruiser bike rider view motorcycl sport bike rider and dislik motorcycl thi not close mind not recogn thi effect close mind lot remind rec motorcycl and insipid flame ag thereof you dislik occasion leather clad poser pal read scan for inform lot nois and pointless flame ag us trn you problem that for you dan declerck email declrckd rtsg mot motorola cellular apd friend don friend wear neon phone
rec.motorcycles	edu breath articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write differ opinion and differ motorcycl sport bike rider and cruiser bike rider that differ mind close mind individu had motorcycl time rider cruiser bike don eddi ride continu thi forum and street you find quit differ opinion motorcycl individu motorcycl slightli each and thi natur peopl and beauti sport cruiser bike rider view motorcycl sport bike rider and dislik motorcycl thi not close mind and view exactli that singl rider cruiser bike hold veiw that sport bike rider possibl hold quantifi your gener for care you pigeonhol bunch peopl dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write waterski bike you turn handlebar left lean motorcycl don thi case not jetski friend jetski bar turn left left you chang yaw jet relationship handlbar and rear mount jet complet arbitrari simpl linkag make work thi support move contact patch beneath centr mass theori lean thi contradict for gyroscop precess counterst induc lean that jetski even irrelev thi discuss snow ski amus digress hei you explain fact that you pull hors rein left left confus two thread phil stone address pstone motorcycl
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorc egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write articl castl wbg festiv geak write ultra sticki label print your favourit curs good even local hospit us wheel clamp put size each window cage apart complex us live thi put thing driver window couldn miss friend damn wreck home night vision block sticker suggest manag enorm liabil assum pull that stunt not that logic can liabil put sticker car move bdi that choos start and drive car unsaf condit that liabl had last chanc avoid unsaf situat addit factor attribut blame sticker window effect problem take blade window remov stubborn sticker stori that that nice paint job door jeff jeffrei friedl omron corpor nagaokakyo kyoto japan jfriedl omron jfriedl cmu edu dod xbk cbr visit research mach project carnegi mellon pittsburgh
rec.motorcycles	splitfir plug kinda offic whaz earlier read net splitfir plug gui think and almost shot hell that show team that us split fire addit insight and theori splitfir plug and boost opposs cage splitfir origin made burn fuel effici and increas power for cage for gui splitfir increas perform increas torqu weren focus horsepow number thi relat high perform pilot that depend you pilot high perform cylind machin case cylind splitfir increas torqu make top end horsepow torqu pack low for splitfir not significantli increas power twin you gui laugh twin time carri weight sometim can make for loss doug polen scott russel daytona twin make torqu thoughout powerband thi translat increas torqu theoret twin make power splitfir claim that not extra mod made stick don thi and catch splitfir twin race team ducati team fast ferraci us splitfir season thi had jami jame run for don stop sinc check had peac warren wcd uxa cso uiuc edu suzuki will travel local fix shop bike repairest look dump ask gui happen dump clutch fast pretti fast insur nope fixer smile you bike not
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl rmugel apr oasun oracl robert mugel rmugel oracl write absolut you cager will pull gun and blow you guess probabl bmw driver gun lower vehicl like luxosedan hop pickup truck for exampl mark mark burnham markb novel ama dod alfa romeo gtv ninja
rec.motorcycles	daemon child articl apr research nec behanna syl syl nec chri behanna write articl bethdc netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write bzzzzt discov tour bike nifti cach for thing coin lipstick duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard denizen think that natur thought kiss that waxi shit smear woman lip definit turn clear lipstick chapstick etc fit natur waxi shit categori wear lip dry kiss dry crack parch lip isn fun not that kiss beth noemi not tom you won noemi speak for beth beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write previou post dog attack gener bad karma weather attempt dog attack approv method slow screw dog triangul target and laugh dog you thi time didn work didn time ride hill lead hous encount liver and white springer spaniel relat springer softail springer spagthorp close relat spagthorp vike dog encount intent harm stuff delet ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live hope you cost replac panel owner owner reluct stop local spca prefer your foot leg swollen file visciou dog report trick glenn schmall astroid armori not cross oncom lane hell beam cafe death that california highwai you yeah dod mercuri new
rec.motorcycles	women jacket daemon child articl apr mnemosyn edu jhenslei nyx edu john henslei write beth dixon bethd netcom wrote duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard wife for jacket and men style don fit fit shoulder and arm tight across chest that suggest assum that pilot addit handi storag facil pretti decent fit compani that make reason line women motorcycl stuff importantli boulder denver shop that bother carri lucki found jacket like that fit make pilot jacket mine similar style made leather san jose bought last two made find decent women motorcycl gear not easi lot stuff that fring made fashion leather made fit men etc don shop your area women rider friendli place san francisco san jose area don recommend bui cloth mail order hard fit bate custom make leather you want call and cost estim for type jacket your wife interest larg manufactur bmw and sell women line cloth decent qualiti fit iffi ago noemi and lisa sievert talk start busi thi sort thing don final decid beth beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl nielsmm nanna imv aau nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen subject act front traffic jerk date thu apr gmt dai rain cat and dog therefor speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw drive meter for meter and red light calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll window and told total idiot and reason thing work for avoid obscen and remain calm cool and collect and you almost kill and not move you apolog benign that haven shot singl time don texa and plenti wit steve steve moselei moselei washington edu microbiolog phone univers washington fax seattl
rec.motorcycles	kreme folk recent post kreme bad idea that man opinion experi stuff
rec.motorcycles	aerostitch piec request for opinion piec aerostitch two piec aerostitch for versatil protect advanc nadin
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write your primari concern protect passeng event crash fit for helmet that size your primari concern compli stupid helmet law carri real big spare you can put big small head big helmet not small carri want compli intellig helmet law comment impli support for helmet law such support infer promis promis steve steve moselei moselei washington edu microbiolog phone univers washington fax seattl
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl depend context you want comment handl great compar bike not good compar you compar put mile never own randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng your primari concern protect passeng event crash fit for helmet that size your primari concern compli stupid helmet law carri real big spare you can put big small head big helmet not small you can accomplish goal you definit physic type mind you cough church meet your tast tend smaller petit cough churchgoer like that will smaller head and you can safe medium small helmet thi work for and trade spare larg helmet friend for women that and can fit into medium size helmet previous had you aren picki size cough churchgoer you give help motorcycl ride advic will hopefulli cover eventu legal concern and spare handtowel tankbag make accept pad passeng can viewport pad viewport case extrem mismatch randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	ducati opinion want articl jwc srgenprp frankb sad frank ball write godfrei digiorgi ramarren appl wrote ducati model essenti reduc displac mean weigh and size power produc specif meet vehicl tax restrict ducati model essenti reduc displac mean weigh and size power and brake bzzzt pound lighter person and recent wit stoppi larger averag rider aboard two finger that meas singl front disk accomplish task brake you such somewhat larg and overweight for motor will handl magnific won fast flaw mention limit steer lock annoy note tester and mirror aren perfect haven rpm break and haven had problem slow limit steer lock can problem you aren prepar for mirror good imho forgot design whazza you matta philosophi hewlett packard fax home vallei hous drive seca hmmmm don your sig miss beth beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	choke ninja problem starr kuhub ukan edu write put supertrapp slip and had carb jet match set filter that replac stock airbox ahh and carb rejet match you made bike stage kit dynojet huge flat spot carbur thousand rpm gear isn rejet fun thi frustrat highwai bike like cruis mph happen rpm sixth gear had tune and thi doesn think carb inject system gpz suggest for fix restor stock carb that fix you jet match extrem overli lean condit you ad free flow exhaust and higher flow filter chanc lean thi not that big fun carb tune tricki your and choic you want spend hour fiddl carb gui witha dyno and tune carb for your current set you plai guess game for long time erik astrup afm dod cbr cbr concour ninja thi eleven nigel tufnel lead guitar spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	long last tire for small bike wsh amsun apma virginia edu will heyman write rear tire small front that size recomend call tire compani and you can make recomend for you that your bet check biker magazin cycl world etc for phone number tire erik astrup afm dod cbr cbr concour ninja thi eleven nigel tufnel lead guitar spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	edu breath articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl apr rtsg mot declrckd rtsg mot dan declerck write differ opinion and differ motorcycl sport bike rider and cruiser bike rider that differ mind close mind individu had motorcycl time rider cruiser bike don eddi ride continu thi forum and street you find quit differ opinion motorcycl individu motorcycl slightli each and thi natur peopl and beauti sport cruiser bike rider view motorcycl sport bike rider and dislik motorcycl thi not close mind and view exactli that singl rider cruiser bike hold veiw that sport bike rider possibl hold quantifi your gener for care you pigeonhol bunch peopl that plastic bodywork useless that torqu and upright ride posit slightli radic forward ride posit combin high rpm low torqu motor cruiser motorcyclist chrome import sport bike motorcyclist chrome impact bui choic motiv sole price criteria each rider select vehicl choic ignor criteria insensit word motorcycl can fufil requir that sport bike rider and cruiser rider sometim hard for motorcycl fufil person requir you fish for flame dave thi differ opinion analog differ sport car owner and luxuri car owner thi moot convers dan declerck email declrckd rtsg mot motorola cellular apd friend don friend wear neon phone
rec.motorcycles	ship bike articl qkhrm agat berkelei edu manish uclink berkelei edu manish vij write can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost rememb thread ship save instruct bike prep post email manish step join ama american motorcycl associ call ama join step you becom member will ship your bike uncrat anywher across fruit plain for hundr buck us thi servic and continu pleas dai for thing and you not prepar bike drain ga not mention that normal ship cost time you crate bike and ship anoth compani you can pai nick coburn dod ama cbr cbr coburnn spot colorado edu
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi articl joz hln cup chri steinbron hesh cup write ranck ranck joesbar edu wrote bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol current membership laps for renew hesh case that not for anoth year hint will organ busi that long and prefer longer and worth part david karr karr cornel edu
rec.motorcycles	trace licens plate bdi cager articl apr adob cjackson adob curti jackson wrote good advic hesh time back for zen refresh imagin you lili gentli float darken pool and bdc volvo come careen freewai and land top you pool you can win jim jim franklin jamesf appl jim bob son cagiva alazzurra signatur remodl triumph slalom champ low price qualiti workman dod kotp ship call todai for free estimit
rec.motorcycles	get saddl bag hei pretti wonder world motorcycl bought us kaw csr friend wonder kind saddl bag for sinc noth bag for ga tank cost and hold for your advic ride love jbourgui uc indiana edu dod
rec.motorcycles	saddl bag and helmet for sale sell item pair hard saddl bag easi instal snap releas featur lock black brand krusur two oshi full face helmet for com bike that sell you us thing bike and accessori yamaha vision call medi work home medi montaseri montasmm ntmtv am mcdcup ntmtv montasmm
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint congraul your helmet pass snell test cheerfulli spent bottl testor model paint and repaint scratch and chip for minut not save your head you drop mike mike seal yamaha inform group dod level tower terrac email homer inform wellington phone zealand fax
rec.motorcycles	stolen cbr stolen pasadena and blue and white honda cbr california plate cbr serial number xpm engin number turn signal mirror light tape for track rider session willow spring tomorrow guess miss find babi kjg
rec.motorcycles	ship bike can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost recommend that you hop back and cruis that nice ride you choos your rout care shouldn cost ga and night motel bill mellon mellon ncd uunet lupin mellon member leagu for program freedom find softwar patent cost you your program contact lpf uunet net
rec.motorcycles	max handl request bradw newbridg brad warkentin write handl good big standard earli not compar what state art dai you back thi opinion come ride and max find enjoy ride max fast twisti road clayton brook heart cbrook uki edu pot blue cbrook ukma bitnet lex grass and rutger uunet ukma cbrook bourbon countri ama nma maa am acbl dod
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi can resign bmw moa and remaind year membership refund
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl oxz cellar org craig cellar org saint craig write shz mare att keeper tude write true rider real ride attitud will offer wave weather harlei honda bike inless case bike your and you low acknowleg thi you find case harlei rider give wave and ride secur knowleg that persob persob kinda that peopl wave return wave harlei harlei rider seldom wave back duck squid don wave return wave even each can michael man mman icomsim nextmail accept flstf fatboi ducati
rec.motorcycles	trace licens plate bdi cager articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist wrote you file complaint for danger oper motor vehicl and sign will show court come you can thi morn lane chang freewai and look mirror theer car look second car posit not acceler tripl check head turn and decid plenti room acceler travel mile stai feet teh bumper car ahead and casual mirror check thi gui tail mean you couldn stick hair tire fender mirror slowli teh throttl stai had lost mph and come and cut big time follow for mile and final bore and turn back into work can file complaint thi and chanc jim jim franklin jamesf appl jim bob son cagiva alazzurra signatur remodl triumph slalom champ low price qualiti workman dod kotp ship call todai for free estimit
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write articl apr mit edu jburnsid mit edu jami burnsid write alot harder load trailer kdx road legal tomorrow ignor afforement concern transmiss and take chanc worri tran relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup dod number busi ride thi count thought cat dod faq mailx hahahha jburnsid mit edu wait press return chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	ship bike articl mellon apr pepper ncd mellon ncd ted lemon write can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost recommend that you hop back and cruis that nice ride you choos your rout care shouldn cost ga and night motel bill coast portland nice and even wai watch weather good drench oregon coast rang onc howard berkei howard netcom
rec.motorcycles	stolen aarghhhh dam dam dam ritvax isc rit edu write dam back drom work todai bike dam proced side shit dry rider cover dam bare two week and god stole trash honda red white blue cover residenti palo alto coupl week ago cover had hole burnt exhaust etc etc figur kid not jet netcom eric townsend dod hafta kill you thi fun account work email jet na nasa gov you put ducki you wanna plai saxophon skate unix die boyo
rec.motorcycles	chang sprocket ratio honda honda guru can replac front sprocket honda slightli larger thi prefer reduc size rear want ride relax rpm clayton brook heart cbrook uki edu pot blue cbrook ukma bitnet lex grass and rutger uunet ukma cbrook bourbon countri ama nma maa am acbl dod
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi boi bike versu scuffl grow and that for you hope that dump dempster campaign work that crook and supris that thi long for ain hand not that want bed wacko run throw rathol effect send club you wouldn you don magazin you sinc moa politburo instal don lack sort panach had and bike static moa
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl apr adob cjackson adob curti jackson write perhap waterski bike counterst sea doo boat turn chang angl duct propel waterski bike motorcycl ski each wheel handlebar connect familiar steer head front ski handl motorcycl bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	daemon child articl bethdc jul netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write articl apr research nec behanna syl syl nec chri behanna write articl bethdc netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write bzzzzt discov tour bike nifti cach for thing coin lipstick duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard denizen think that natur thought kiss that waxi shit smear woman lip definit turn clear lipstick chapstick etc fit natur waxi shit categori wear lip dry kiss dry crack parch lip isn fun agre chapstick fit waxi shit categori notic that steal annett chapstick appli lip crack thi past winter previou winter sigh price pai not that kiss beth noemi not tom you won noemi speak for darl annett guess you can readi barf bag chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	ship bike can recommend ship motorcycl san francisco seattl and cost ship portland oregon daytona for thi year bike week rode back compani us feder you can reach you ama member discount for ama not call ama join becom ama member ship cost base number mile cost for portland orlando that insur had ride ship dock and siphon ga can pick bike busi bike arriv time orlando had adjust mirror and add ga bike perfect shape gari
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impac cooper mprgate mpr greg cooper write articl qeftj sixgun east sun egreen east sun green articl sda usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturd except averag you can bare fart fuck you mike gentlemen greg confus aren gentlemen thi newsgroup two robert smit ladysmith luca built weapon war emd ham almanac never start
rec.motorcycles	recommend for front tire articl qfkqhinn rodan net smm rodan net steve mansfield write front tire dead minim tread left time for recommend good tire front ride almost brand back stick front laser front gpz and fantast tire front tire had graem weir dod fido unb univers brunswick fredericton canada damn box jockei full speed ahead live flame flame live gpz trek mtb
rec.motorcycles	long trip articl uupcb freddi ersi edmonton mark harrison freddi ersi edmonton mark harrison write motorcycli don even bike and will long trip edmonton vancouv tip bare essenti for trip tool cloth emerg repair bike you respond thi you gonna yer cage thi market for us cycl tip for don burnt appreci mark oughta gang tool faq thi gui hmmm andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write thing denmark short sword and cleav car half sinc assum you didn short sword you problem your choic substitut action dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write ride hill lead hous encount liver and white springer spaniel relat springer softail springer spagthorp close relat spagthorp vike miss articl spagthorp vike that illumin dragon head front fender style copi indian and round side cover accid delet worri accid thi don prevent travel slower thi not necessarili unreason suggest for residenti area ride speed limit you can forget thi line reason anim decid you noth you can genet put mere mph gravel road loos rock bad concret and lb swing beef jump fenc ditch and ram jump fenc for ga sinc feet ahead good forti side damn cow liter chase and nail damag cow bent case guard and sever annoi rider casualti had shotgun eat steak nope lb cow can hit activ evad forget manuever dog run dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
rec.motorcycles	flash behanna syl nec chri behanna write arriv toll booth switch hazard thisto warn motorist that will take longer second make transact question thi good bad thing thi sound good thing second that addit find hazard us horn speed below mph interst quit common mountain truck state requir flasher rural area flasher gui you tractor larg implement us whenev you commun that thing will deviat norm chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name that paint green sinc green triumph that friend own sold name free for adopt name thunderpickl grab you dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
rec.motorcycles	max handl request apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl max strait line shit shrough goos corner ride honda dream dan sorenson dod dan exnet iastat edu vike iastat edu isu censor read not don blame usenet post exot distant machin meet excit unusu peopl and flame
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impact articl txd mkt txd esd tom dietrich write previou articl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher lot thing quot articl rgu usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write you your averag dirt biker can jump foot log log that suspend ground for that matter log that suspend ground imagin you don jump that you lai bike and slide jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	batteri storag not charg and store dry put coupl bike storag for month start month and contempl easi control batteri that bui batteri tender for each and leav plug time bike storag fine not that never heard discuss thi idea reason isn great can mistak fulli charg batteri drain electrolyt into separ contain for each batteri seal contain close batteri and leav that that bike come storag put electrolyt back batteri and fulli charg wrong thi relat note for you bai area denizen wasn had bunch spare edta month back left for and robert
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl apr newbridg bradw newbridg brad warkentin write articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write lost attribut area driver requir show proof financi respons mean insur requir pull driver bellyach net don pull and check law enforc fact case lot monei don you requir for yearli plate sticker ontario and manitoba for and provinc you show proof insurnac you renew your plate sticker concept that owner car not respons for action author user car that biggest argument photo radar ticket system you pai outstand ticket even cross provinc agreement ontario and quebec that unpaid ticket provinc record date sticker bad troubl that you recours mi issu ticket cleric error comput follow you citi chicago inform motto citi work issu dozen park ticket each year peopl never set foot tire citi jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar thi todai newspap fortun guzzler bar bar barnstapl england reuter motorcyclist drunk insur payment year ban wednesdai pub england and wale david robert had award cash compens for lose leg motorcycl accid spent virtual cider court barnstapl southwest england told judg malcolm coteril ban robert bar england and wale for month and put two year probat start brawl pub bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	solar batteri charger good solar batteri booster and come guarante hand heard that peopl us success commun directli such person you your experi you us occasion charg long term leav for week etc robert kennedi robert kennedi offic robert stanford edu home voic comput scienc dept stanford univers home tty
rec.motorcycles	gentlemen articl cvbnetprim tjohnson tazmanian prime tod johnson write articl uupcb freddi ersi edmonton grant barkwel freddi ersi edmonton grant barkwel write knowledg simpli posess motorcycl can you laid true thankfulli true gentlemen favor and excus comment your sexual fortun net tod you misspok bank own motorcycl laid doubt sexual fortun quit revers jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	happi easter articl apr hasler ascom kevinh hasler ascom write sell bmw even test bmw cornich will remain british for time hard roll royc own british firm god that end civil jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write loud pipe biliger exercis ego project arguement fact avoid accid rev engin and stock harlei pipe make nois draw someon attent instinct rev engin for horn don and work that import not louder pipe harlei loud and get notic road for that reason person not feel loud you that bad america home free land atlanta brave you want fine tune machin feder govern involv and pass restrict gener that move rev your engin will you notic horn hand throttl into feet bike mph second long push horn button and aren you gui that doesn even bike tod johnson dod slow geritol
rec.motorcycles	liabil insur requir articl apr walter bellcor fist iscp bellcor richard pierson write let thi fault stuff straight live start rate alot move and rate alot and stori you sit park lot lunch and wack you guess insur pai for give you weeni insur compani stupid law that jerk hit park lot insruanc compani doesn sue doesn immedi fault and insur compani hell rais rate andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorc articl qjmf sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl castl wbg festiv geak write ultra sticki label print your favourit curs good even local hospit us wheel clamp put size each window cage apart complex us live thi put thing driver window couldn miss friend damn wreck home night vision block sticker suggest manag enorm liabil assum pull that stunt claim driver fault for illeg park place that good for laugh two court found liabl for care put sticker cage window yeah make darn you cover glass driver can expect drive thing car jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar bclark galaxi gov write thi todai newspap fortun guzzler bar bar barnstapl england reuter motorcyclist drunk insur payment year ban wednesdai pub england and wale david robert had award cash compens for lose leg motorcycl accid spent virtual cider court barnstapl southwest england told judg malcolm coteril ban robert bar england and wale for month and put two year probat start brawl pub justic lost leg and had give motorcycl assum david didn that can leg want swamp even for ten year admit prefer homebrew pubbrew judg coteril troubl can you that chanc you can and convinc rule backward nick perhap lad deserv for start brawl bad form horribl bad form for get drunk that thought natur born and for spend monei good care moolah even spend recklessli asham human matt block koch dod honda
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi articl apr cornel edu karr cornel edu david karr write rivet bmwmoa elect soap opera detail delet doesn shortag altern candid you not vote for vechorik bui bmw cast vote for groucho ride safe cliff weston dod seca tem thi bike excel condit work glen crash stone
rec.motorcycles	european insur move sweden and test written and road even had valid licens for year resid and drive licens resid don itali eec
rec.motorcycles	camp question articl bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write back youth ahem wiffi and moi purchas gadget heat water sourc for car us thought work apart slight problem had rev lower and motor die lack electron movement colonist replac bolt bottom barrel tap want coffe rev engin boil and pour cup hot water us ethylen glycol antifreez methanol tast sweeter roger collier sun sun microsystem coventri england dod gsxr keeper gsxr list
rec.motorcycles	aerostitch piec articl apr vax cit cornel edu vax cit cornel edu write request for opinion piec aerostitch two piec aerostitch for versatil protect advanc nadin scare fit piec two piec jacket and pant due manli man athlet build kind thing laugh not trim and pant big don piec provid protect wrong swiftli gentli correct net pansi knowledg call regard jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post leavitt umd edu bill write mj sy uea mike sixsmith write mj imho tell newbi counterst counter product mj co confus rode quit happili for year mj know noth counterst cannot ride differ mj that interpret thi mean that you repres motorcyclist world mike presumpt you imho humbl opinion leavitt umd edu bill write leavitt time learn counterst techniqu you leavitt start learn you develop bad habit rode for leavitt year take msf erc and learn leavitt counterst year and leavitt conscious don steer counterst leavitt habit die hard and bad habit even harder mj bill thi complet bollock you learn counterst mj time you rode bike natur and intuit mike not kick can you not counterst mph stone that kick for sake argument conced that counterst sake argument mj msf not teach you counterst told you mj you and that didn that confus newbi big differ know happen and make extrem case emerg swerv and let bike make turn onc knew precis happen and make abruptli and command emerg avoid abil improv tenfold not mention big improv normal corner abil profici know counterst motorcycl let motorcycl steer that rememb cognit command bike let run corner return origin comment learn happen start and charg develop bad habit for ride bill you kid firstli motorcycl not steer rider can that secondli adhes tyre road suspens geometri and ground clearanc motorcycl dictat quickli you can swerv avoid obstacl and not knowledg physic rider ear you suggest that counterst knowledg enabl you corner faster compet you manag mike extrem gratifi for you that you such natur affin and prowess for motorcycl that formal train total wast time for you assum your total train hasn come simpli read rec motorcycl motorcyclist discuss formal rider educ regard experi overwhelmingli posit thi amount experi brought into rang minut year formal train thi countri awar not includ counterst theori found counterst six year ago physic lectur motorcyclist didn steer bike make turn left and analys close and realiz interest bit knowledg and had lot fun sinc tell sceptic that interest bit knowledg and claim that essenti for biker that you can corner faster result absurd formal train view absolut essenti you ride bike properli and safe includ counterst theori newbi cours confus peopl unnecessarili time import matter for learn and that origin point mike
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride norman hamer maven eskimo wrote gener rule thumb for sobrieti and cycl coupl hour you feel sober work drink tonight don ride tomorrow gener find that two decent hit nitrou ride improv enorm drink silli your breath smell cost lot monei and pig can detect machin work for nick wow biker dod concis errr lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	oil articl dlvo skate gsfc nasa gov tim intrepid gsfc nasa gov tim seiss write oil oil level top mark window lower side motor notic that oil level window gradual decreas mile check window bike level ground and sat idl for awhil oil chanc drain back into pan bike isn leak oil place and don smoke come exhaust owner manual amount oil high and low mark oil level window approx quart bike quart mile owner manual figur for max oil consumpt mile question whether degre oil consumpt bike normal owner oil level gradual and consist bike for work ask local gui data point can normal for bmw bike us oil thousand mile don had bike and us bit oil max quart mile thi quit and time had mile oil consumpt told that harder you run bike reason sooner stop oil charli smith charli elektro cmhnet org kotdohl kotwitdodl kspi dod doh ama moa buckei beemer ohio bmw triumph columbu ohio usa
rec.motorcycles	internet discuss list articl moe ksu ksu edu bparker uafhp uark edu brian parker write world motorcyl lover lover start discuss list internet for peopl interest talk bike discuss and you interest join drop line sinc isn list you post you send and distribut mon join and enjoi huh thi gui invent wreck motorcycl curiou mind want charli smith charli elektro cmhnet org kotdohl kotwitdodl kspi dod doh ama moa buckei beemer ohio bmw triumph columbu ohio usa
rec.motorcycles	internet discuss list articl moe ksu ksu edu bparker uafhp uark edu brian parker write world motorcyl lover lover start discuss list internet for peopl interest talk bike discuss and you interest join drop line sinc isn list you post you send and distribut mon join and enjoi second thought didn invent wreck moto round figur dod theme song faq come charli smith dod doh kspt noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi lock
rec.motorcycles	bike and contact articl apr new columbia edu sc cunixb columbia edu sebastian sear write articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write articl ckp new cso uiuc edu dcl nxt cso uiuc edu student write quick question recent bike and drive problem wind mess contact ga permeabl full face helmet face sheild work for thi doesn work for wind that blow insid and dry ey dust eventu wear sunglass insid helmet wear sunglass insid full face helmet dirt wind contact mumbl mumbl mumbl charli smith dod doh kspt
rec.motorcycles	for mainten manual for honda articl apr wam umd edu buffalo wam umd edu duncan sterl write think that tour push envelop twin local honda dealer that honda dream commonli refer tour bike water problem back rode puch pari barcelona and back that two stroke and back repres size bike road consid big bike and superbik dai bigger real rare charli smith dod doh kspt noth water mai voulez vou peu melang
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorcycl piss evelyn well apr cst wibbl onc thi morn pull design motorcycl park area find cage pull bike peopl don doubl park car motorcycl never mind that rhetor question want can carri piec paper that don park your car motorcycl area call cop wait emerg build and berat beg forgiv thi problem and you evi don you local branch you prefer method phone ira and car and that belong northern ireland govern committe hour and car longer problem not park close nick veng biker dod concis oxford plastic lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impact jonathan quist thu apr gmt wibbl articl txd mkt txd esd tom dietrich write previou articl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher lot thing quot articl rgu usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write you your averag dirt biker can jump foot log log that suspend ground for that matter log that suspend ground imagin you don jump that you lai bike and slide jonathan quist nice thing hors that break middl you can eat fuel bit cheaper nick biker dod concis oxford giddi lud nick pettefar contractor larg incarcer bnr maidenhead unit kingdom npet bnr bmw kai pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	extraordinari footpeg engin articl apr csdvax csd unsw edu exb csdvax csd unsw edu write dod er goddamn mysteri for stud side bike that clunk turn absent fairli event fact thread hole footpeg perfectli intact evid forcefulli rip moment previous you engin type you explain thi can you rip tightli fit steel thread thread hole alloi damag thread hole you can knock thread stud hole destroi thread part stud hole stud not hole you touch that side bike doom
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write articl zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write that argu gyroscop etc throughli understand techniqu counterst includ that counterst corner underli physic matter and not taught beginn agre counterst techniqu taught for understand techniqu can develop maxim effect emerg avoid manuv thi thing disagre agre disagre that tell newbi steer left turn unnecessarili confus bike and ride damn thing exactli happen git that haven clue understand physic traction fine cannot detail theori that place motorcyl train you that maximum traction obtain tyre begin slide road violent disagr you state true insuffici form traction manag polici traction increas appli normal forc traction front wheel increas weight shift brake forc and correspondingli decreas rear techniqu appli brake and eas rear and increas pressur front can learn understand weight shift and traction jeez you start talk traction manag polici thought you make weird refer railwai locomot offici line doubt that front brake appli rear brake idea that you avoid lock rear weight transfer take place practic suspect peopl you describ brake tire begin slide useless advic newbi and slide tire find that inform develop brake techniqu that brake and weight shift develop you don slide tyre you know whether you achiev maximum brake not not suggest that you aim brake hard you possibl can you want find limit machin you case for maximum brake suggest you aim wheel point slide you exactli you suggest
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl apr alw nih gov gregh niagara dcrt nih gov gregori humphrei write bui bike insur turn month parent take care insur till and comprehens list cost that bui motorcycl insur live washington that make differ depend bike onc you found bike you interest call insur compani for rate bike cheaper insur you cost year loui recommend bui for for bike recommend and bike short feet ground you stop piec advic will give you motorcycl safeti foundat rider dealer for detail state complet such can give you break insur will teach you ride properli begin you won learn bad habit good luck ride motorcycl fun you can nake alan
rec.motorcycles	insur discount erik asphaug asphaug lpl arizona edu wrote insur agent offer multi vehicl discount thi time for car assum that you capabl progress offer multi vehicl discount good price imho toni toni jone ant crai uunet crai ant cmc codegener group softwar divis crai research inc lone oak drive eagan
rec.motorcycles	bike articl forqfa iuzmatnmz andrew cmu edu jame leo belliveau jbc andrew cmu edu write motorcycl enthusiast motorcycl and put bluntli suck advic for second thought thi post green bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar that perfectli come scotland you
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl gregori humphrei gregh niagara dcrt nih gov wrote greg motorcycl haven even bought posit you you learn you never ridden class put group call motorcycl safeti foundat california similar washington call motorcycl dealer your area and ask good start ride motorcycl correctli
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau wrote nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk nmm dai rain cat and dog therefor nmm speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw nmm drive meter for meter and red light nmm calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll nmm window and told total idiot and reason nmm thing imho you wrong thing you shot run your bike beat shit you that person foolish drive fool and act heck idiot driver illeg you can file citizen arrest and drag that person into court hassl for you major hassl for perp john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl apr adob cjackson adob write glad that you judgement shit hei pal you call litt toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli apr gmt xlyx vax cit cornel edu wheeli motorcycl shaft drive rear wheel come ground not front hop into air figur john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron articl stafford stafford winona msu edu stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford write articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau wrote nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk nmm dai rain cat and dog therefor nmm speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw nmm drive meter for meter and red light nmm calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll nmm window and told total idiot and reason nmm thing imho you wrong thing you shot run your bike beat shit you that person foolish drive fool and act heck idiot driver illeg you can file citizen arrest and drag that person into court hassl for you major hassl for perp john stafford minnesota state univers winona you can make citizen arrest feloni standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	pari dakar bmw tour mike johnson mentorg mentor graphic boeckman softwar support corpor wilsonvil framework product divis
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli previou articl xlyx vax cit cornel edu mike terri ask wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	bike and wheeli previou articl jbc andrew cmu edu jame leo belliveau motorcycl enthusiast motorcycl and put bluntli suck advic good starter bike for thing make bike good bui second time question specif interest race bike cbr gsx that thi sound kind crazi that never had bike respons fast learner and love give advic that you search includ place even specif bike that you want sell answer obviou dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive not counterst for humor impar pphhhhhtttttt concour sophist ladi tom dietrich sportster sport for sale dod spike garag rat ama queu for fssnoc two joust and gather big fun kspt bell cool rule sometim mail txd mkt lewi disclaim take respons for opinion preced thi
rec.motorcycles	honda cbr for sale for sale honda cbr hurrican bought bike end last summer and love bill forc part bike mile and run strong nead tune and possibl break pad rubber good toss tankbag and kiwi helmet ask offer add hit newspap and micronew interest parti can call dai and even
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk found that effect strategi flash brake light pump pedal you will bit free plai your brake pedal thi that even brain dead idiot can discern that flash red light directli front mean that wrong thing wrong your strategi boi cri wolf jorg klinger gsxr you arch eng servic lost horizon umanitoba man embalm anonym squidonk
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust articl apr research nec chri behanna behanna syl nec write articl apr bnr dave dal farra gpz bnr write remind great editori bruce reev coupl month ago cycl canada piss cop pull speeder danger spot and blind corner that dai decid reveng cruis factori loaner zzr test bike notic cop had pull motorist ramp almost shoulder bright lad hit bike kill switch pass cop happen bend offend motorist expos glute pass world ignit system dead pump throtl two time fill exhaust canist volatil raw fuel stab kill switch light ignit and send flame sargeant swell direct cycl cop read cycl canada agre spirit action hope that rider poni take replac exhaust system destroi owner manual explicitli warn such behavior for exactli that reason you can destroi your mufler that chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog fat chanc offend rider moto journalist gui can sell hundr bike stroke pen and such murder come test bike worth earli expir mufler bone head butt bake dave true that monei talk mine spoke bui drink
rec.motorcycles	bui bike etc lot post wanna bui bike gsxr cbr fzr good bike learn etc put togeth faq bui bike ravi us post time bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	stuff for sale respond item electr vest aerostitch suit and scarf spoken for gari gari wasserman complet irrat attract bmw bike interleaf inc prospect place hillsid av waltham grw ileaf fax dod
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl apr alw nih gov gregh niagara dcrt nih gov gregori humphrei write work that cover bike helmet that ignor bui number approxim and will doubt flame helmet cheap jacket us cheap glove noth special motorcycl safeti foundat ride that leav you and depend accuraci number bui us bike regist insur and run properli you cut close perhap your parent reason and you your learn ride safe you pick cost msf and safeti gear earli holidai present time long term invest and you spend your monei actual bike insur registr and mainten curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar articl qtvl dartvax dartmouth edu russel hugh dartmouth edu knicker twister write articl apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write regard pub brawl histori such thing biker doesn make reason person even dod object join had histori such thing not mention articl and present irrelev detail drink monei can exactli fault sit result law hand shoddi journal law attach string you spend settlement put monei trust don assum perfectli legitim drink wouldn spend that david karr karr cornel edu
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar david karr tue apr gmt wibbl articl qtvl dartvax dartmouth edu russel hugh dartmouth edu knicker twister write articl apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write regard pub brawl histori such thing biker doesn make reason person even dod object join had histori such thing not mention articl and present irrelev detail drink monei can exactli fault sit result law hand shoddi journal law attach string you spend settlement put monei trust don assum perfectli legitim drink wouldn spend that david karr karr cornel edu heard thi newspap articl journalist and editor pick interest and sensat fact for delect editor sun onc never fact good stori you notic motorcyclist treat press thrive hysteria ignor sensation and upmanship not salt take pinch nick cynic biker dod concis oxford leaki gearbox lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh not for bell toll toll for you time
rec.motorcycles	that oil tim intrepid gsfc nasa gov tim seiss write want mail post repli question oil consumpt you decid joe senner joe rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org texa splatterfest mail list fest rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	time worst time note thi not time time year funni thing happen bike engin run perfectli complet smooth not that run poorli dai except theori that air densiti and moistur content air such that complet combust needless put great mood mood last for mile head north freewai mile two south throttl stop respond and lane noth make lane shoulder initi glide push traffic heavi that car not mind stop for turn screw unscrew insid mikuni carb hear that screw tight bike never thought that had that screw insid carb roadsid fixabl and time death life tell you you fire gei paul blumstein paulb harlei tti dod abat ama hog doh laa marc arrl platypu qrp arpci naswa lwca rcma cala transact technolog inc santa monica
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc vidar olaf solberg vidaro dhhalden wrote can letter spesif motorcycl model mean exampl mean and honda cbr and suzuki glp honda design engin street bike for for twin street bike parallel twin inlin cylind engin us mean race bike us mean sport bike for steet scrambler street bike high pipe custom street bike dirt two stroke dual purpos bike dirt stroke can dual purpos bike suffix tour bike frank ball frankb sad work hewlett packard fax home vallei hous drive seca rohnert park wug law ama dod nra
rec.motorcycles	hell met articl apr freenet carleton freenet carleton lloyd carr write previou articl maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer don end replac real futur wear total nondamag face dot rate cheapi doesn fit wind wear shoei lot comfort wind quieter minor damag wear even drop paint chip helmet poorli fit had scratch bang repair confid protect helmet will continu give you depress actual crack magnifi glass you replac thi not good advic coupl year involv low speed getoff land back pavement head helmet hit pavement clunk leav coupl ding and chip paint point impact visibl damag call helmet manufactur and inquir damag that fiberglass shell work give delamin crack thi fiberglass serv spread forc impact wider area fiberglass thing crushabl foam liner take care absorb hopefulli remain impact forc told that second stage fiberglass function delamin glass resin layer can occur visibl sign insid helmet suggest that send helmet and inspect includ rai back helmet letter state that that find damag that compromis abil helmet provid maximum protect suspect that thi letter elimin claim prior damag helmet event sue bottom line that appear that helmet integr can compromis visibl sign for send back and inspect note that helmet manufactur provid inspect servic and not anoth point purchas lid ken franklin heaven for peopl wait ama and ain gwrra laugh sinner cry saint dod sinner lot fun good die young
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl apr megatek randi megatek randi davi write articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl jnmoyn moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for drive intox beleiv dwi mean drive impair intox state live thi chang louisiana girl court and won case claim stone pot not intox liquor can impari necessarili impair liquor drug not sleep total moron can impair etc surpris thi hook perhap dwi lousiana confin liquor let dui dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	header paint mile trailer rain rust bike header metal underneath solid sand rust coat and repaint pipe black recommend for paint and applic paint axel
rec.motorcycles	rgv and pose articl dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl spam math adelaid edu amydlak spam math adelaid edu adam mydlak write squid delet helment law vari state state state louisiana law personali not feet bike law law helment will save your life feet draw line your and rais you doug rinck drinck tssc wlg nec zealand tssc bmw bmw indian
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc can letter spesif motorcycl model mean exampl mean and honda cbr and suzuki glp wanna distribut thi club magazin want list type harlei advanc vidar vidar solberg norwai rock hard ride free proud and true metallibash
rec.motorcycles	honda for sale want peopl that thi motorcycl sold for your inquiri dave schultz
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack year ago drive cage dog dart quiet intersect front distanc didn slow dog suddenli appear and collid front bumper and forc impact kill that scottish terrier appar dog henceforth dog decid cross street ey for dog dog travel pair pack experi dog chase black pretti loud oem horn not good fiamm good enuff bike larg and heavi run smaller nipper larger troubl get leg saddlebag and engin guard def feel vulner trump that easier leg chew target for mongrel persist dog run biker despit complaint owner wouldn advers run truck dog life isn worth imho compar child ride bike get knock ground dog and di head injuri dog neighborhood that viciou public menac run unleash fair game road kill candid graem harrison gharriso hpcc corp dod
rec.motorcycles	bike short friend shop for motorcycl thi great seat thi not great thing found and unhappi time tap collect memori denizen model model and us bike not problem lower seat and sinc make thi difficult prefer not end cruiser bonu point for list tini standard rememb thread point similar thi pass month ago that list gregori bean dod bean ncar ucar edu fact that big reverb sound
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust articl quw btq cso uiuc edu mikeh cso uiuc edu mike hollyman custom that replac cylind head gasket put back togeth wouldn idl run cylind and backfir and spit flame exhaust side exhaust mac bought plug todai and run rough and won idl quit fine tune knob carb mess check time fine advanc and that didn assum carb synch can bui kit and thi kit for price suggest dont carb that suspect that cam time you that you had head that make sens ian emu worth ian deelei you will school engin insignific univers sussex ooo import that you england anon
rec.motorcycles	extraordinari footpeg engin previou articl exb csdvax csd unsw edu dod er goddamn mysteri for todai turn degre corner dai slight differ rough spot path caus suspens compress mid corner and part bike hit ground tangibl thunk pull opportun su damag delet barri manor dod confus accident peg scraper check bottom your pipe barri suspect that hit year past thought peg found bottom pipe made contact show good size dent scratch you feel suddent chang your foot peg had bump for piec miss contribut that vibrat loss yep thing happen honda twinstar mike maser dod squid rate pinetre sidnei can hopalonga twinfart yuka yuka excess list tridump mucho guzler burlei home thumpison bimotamoeba work mmaser siriu uvic joke month gai univers victoria indian chief new rec motorcycl answer can bum coupl buck
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl jnmoyn moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for drive intox beleiv dwi mean drive impair intox state live thi chang louisiana girl court and won case claim stone pot not intox liquor can impari necessarili impair liquor drug not sleep total moron can impair etc surpris thi hook perhap dwi lousiana confin liquor randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike folk assembl info for film critic class final project essenti movi that us moto substanti capac fallen angl marlboro man rais arizona etc you fellow er give preciat btw summari bike plot help not erc eric sundheim csundh ursa calvin edu grandrapid usa hondo vfr dod
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk nmm dai rain cat and dog therefor nmm speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw nmm drive meter for meter and red light nmm calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll nmm window and told total idiot and reason nmm thing nmm nmm niel mikkel sound great real bdi cager tailgat found that effect strategi flash brake light pump pedal you will bit free plai your brake pedal thi that even brain dead idiot can discern that flash red light directli front mean that wrong two problem your strategi that red light chang you can meaning your mouth occup except your opinion and demonstr such physic you your park bike admittedli slim chanc give paus slmr sometim you windshield sometim bug comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl motorcycl flame don bike piec inform work that cover bike helmet that ignor bui bui bike insur turn month parent take care insur till and comprehens list cost that bui motorcycl insur live washington that make differ recommend bui for imagin state not state not bitter you written test and learner permit wonder learn ride bike profici liscenc and not kill oneself don bike teach and advic heard you live field you friend pickup truck answer ride neighborhood and hope for kind live residenti area not suburb big citi and mile downtown that doesn viabl stori you learn for repli advanc greg humphrei meant that damn autoind greg humphrei thi thursdai never nation institut health hang thursdai gregh alw nih gov arthur dent
rec.motorcycles	happi easter articl vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write hei wasn pick morgan us technolog that noth wrong technolog peopl us shovel dig hole you can dig hole stock shovel you perform mod stroke and cam real bad rear tire dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	happi easter articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write articl tekgen tek davet interceptor cd tek dave tharp cd write articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write roll royc own british firm god that end civil not ford own aston martin and jaguar gener motor own lotu and vauxhal rover own honda minor blasphemi that compani like jaguar sob lotu outright sacrileg for british ownership fundament thing legal claus name own british compani owner can sell compani not name kevinh hasler ascom
rec.motorcycles	dod book read thi anita number titl softwar measur for dod system recommend for initi core measur anita carleton subject softwar engin comput program manag author carleton anita author carnegi mellon univers softwar engin institut publ pittsburgh carnegi mellon univers softwar engin institut toni opinion noth and not even want antonio salerno heart liver spleen pancrea antonio salerno att miracul organ work total dark david letterman
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl detail tip articl apr hemlock crai ant palm crai toni jone write note user plexi fair light hit becom giant magnif glass and will melt hole your guag pod dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorc apart complex us live thi put thing driver window couldn miss friend damn wreck home night vision block sticker suggest manag enorm liabil assum pull that stunt claim driver fault for illeg park place that good for laugh two court found liabl for that driver drive vehicl visual impair isn that not scrape ic and snow your windshield and such that anoth thing that bug don peopl scrape damn window peopl drive car bare driver half windshield clear noth clear thi pretti stupid and isn vari state state that percentag glass clear brad thone system consult system servic enterpris loui wuvmd wustl edu wuvmd bitnet
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar articl apr reed edu mblock reed edu matt block write assum david didn that can leg orlean compani make motorcycl for wheelchair bound peopl rig consist flat bed sidecar rig that wheelchair can clamp car set hand control mount convent handlebar wierd hell thi legless gui drive rig car girlfriend sit bike passeng dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write formal train view absolut essenti you ride bike properli and safe includ counterst theori newbi cours confus peopl unnecessarili time import matter for learn and that origin point mike agre you that formal train essenti for safe ride disagre strongli your origin point point formal train prepar rider for road prepared opinion exclud aspect ride bike wrong imho counterst counterst that train common reaction biker bicycl rider emerg situat steer motorcycl bicycl thi make motorcycl direct opposit intend needless thi danger specif exampl rider left turn rider think close shoulder road and steer motorcycl left pull left handl and push handl motorcycl straighten and road wors scenario rider turn middl turn rider see truck come panick rider steer motorcycl truck and crash into main function ride teach avoid emerg situat and knowledg and train counterst imho ride staal idt unit
rec.motorcycles	bike short rec motorcycl bean cgd ucar edu gregori bean write friend shop for motorcycl thi great seat thi not great thing found and unhappi had and thought bike ridden and mind you ridden bike rememb thread point similar thi pass month ago that list you mistaken thread thi group had point short bike style bike and monei and ride hawk eas cruiser low slung ysr real short rich sturg nswc carderock divis speak for and listen
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point cjackson curti jackson cjackson adob write cjackson glad that you judgement shit cjackson ridden driven tire sleepi hungov angri distract cjackson last year you had you guilti not judgment shit don drive ride impair stop that sort thing good friend mine kill drunk driver fail stop for red and drove side volvo caddi suspect respons adult net don bother post flame war rec moto cjackson justif for take individu freedom cjackson guis public safeti thoma jefferson own slave forc concubin and had resourc want fear repris smoke dope jet netcom eric townsend dod hafta kill you thi fun account work email jet na nasa gov you put ducki you wanna plai saxophon skate unix die boyo
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike terri virago
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc articl srgenprp frankb sad frank ball write honda design engin street bike for for twin honda hawk twin not call curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	moa stuff year moa member folk moa guess call cover base idea happen get juicei new happen insid moa nihil isn for not that matter craig vechorik bmw moa ambassador and final buck into real bmw two wheel polit correct statement dod
rec.motorcycles	electricti sigha figur put halogen beam easi wai thi slip bulb replac told gui bike shop that not damn bright incandesc beam caus perma low batteri and pick thi cheapo motorcycl batteri and charg system tester hook batteri light good charg start engin test charg system and doesn even regist suppos light light stai point batteri question charg system plain mess heck batteri stai fulli charg darn dead support light etc problem charg system gener slower charg normal for bigger bike easi fix for thi happi nois put mile bike thi weekend final myass endors good cage quit run worth damn and won monei repair and weatherman bright and sunni week chanc rain fridai big grin bug teeth
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each morn get coffe thought wave biker make sens hei nice meet you road good ride you watch for bike wave mean your attent road and you like cage you habit watch carefulli for bike you cage thi good thing
rec.motorcycles	happi easter kevinh tue apr gmt wibbl articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write articl tekgen tek davet interceptor cd tek dave tharp cd write articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write roll royc own british firm god that end civil not ford own aston martin and jaguar gener motor own lotu and vauxhal rover own honda minor blasphemi that compani like jaguar sob lotu outright sacrileg for british ownership fundament thing legal claus name own british compani owner can sell compani not name kevinh hasler ascom don that seper compani aero engin compani that govern stake own stake jaguar decid make quick buck and sold ford bastard thi ultim arthur dalei govern nick cynic biker dod concis oxford leaki gearbox lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	time worst time apr ttinew tti paulb harlei tti paul blumstein write note thi not time turn screw unscrew insid mikuni carb hear that screw tight bike never thought that had that screw insid carb roadsid fixabl and time you check screw that carb you suck into jug and mung piston valv happen matthew
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock post alt locksmith method for secur motorcycl respons refer cobra lock describ below come across store carri thi lock chicago area feedback us thi for info steve articl innraj shellei washington edu basiji stein washington edu david basiji write incident lock found for bike cobra lock cabl shroud articul harden steel sleev lock cylindr and lock pawl engag joint articul point chain can adjust handcuff you can leverag lock break open and cylind protect wouldn want cut torch and vice and heavi duti cut wheel steve buni sun microsystem dod itasca ama
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff wonder law offic that read thi question pertain motorcycl and cop and don vehicl code your local station obviou thing that question not found place answer face face real live flesh cop your brother had friend had cousin who father cop etc don bother write
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike articl csundh ursa csundh ursa calvin edu charl sundheim write folk assembl info for film critic class final project essenti movi that us moto substanti capac fallen angl marlboro man rais arizona etc you fellow er give preciat btw summari bike plot help not easi rider harlei drug redneck orlean mad max violenc dod wanna time rider honda thumper time travel sundai documentari dirtbik racer great great escap steve mcqueen nazi rebel jame dean futur dod er last two movi haven year dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe jrlaf sgi msd lmsc lockhe laferrier write wonder law offic that read thi question pertain motorcycl and cop and don vehicl code your local station obviou thing that question not found place answer face face real live flesh cop your brother had friend had cousin who father cop etc don bother write gotta question you want activ cop work your dod qualfic dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	rout suggest articl qmm dinnnlg cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun steve buni chicago write thi point rout present undetermin into pennsylvania york and back chicago suggest you make into york state palisad interst parkwai pleasant ride beauti sceneri good road surfac minim traffic you want sidetrip lake drive parkwai for reason road sweep and hill sweep turn forest canopi mitch corrado bell commun research dec mdc panther tnd bellcor wreck mad vax code warrior
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl apr alw nih gov gregh niagara dcrt nih gov gregori humphrei write motorcycl flame don bike piec inform stori you learn you stori exampl not earli ride lesson colleg roommat honda had msf beginn learn need ride proceed bui beat honda for and helmet and rode wear thi and cotton windbreak decid invest full face helmet smart move pass road test caught rainstorm home mile trip enter town live urban suburb had stop suddenli for red light that notic late skid rear tire and eject face upward into oncom lane traffic fortun for oncom traffic stop for red light slid car and kill thi anecdot evid experienc rider msf and that earlier train help greatli your case even greater sinc you you practic even basic stuff advic msf beginn thing wouldn even bui bike you you happen pick real good deal and can store someplac you readi us work that cover bike helmet that ignor bui you wait week recal wait list boston you save monei start for ride gear cost bike guess mechan make machin safe assum you econom bui beat machin privat individu insur registr and licens fee you not includ bike and reserv for ongo mainten bui bike insur turn month parent take care insur till and comprehens list cost that bui motorcycl insur live washington that make differ pai insur upstat closer boston urban for decent insur includ substanti coverag for liabil you want you plan poor guess boston rural area ergo expens recommend bui for us annual buyer guid usual motorcycl magazin found help get idea recent model you past issu size us bike bike year bought friend advic bike that you peopl ride that park street basic settl present bike notic that lot high mileag bmw run and gener set want noth wrong talk dealer your area visit showroom dealer boston area shop nice let you showroom and quot price for bike that weren latest model cheaper end bui bike privat sale david karr karr cornel edu bmw dod bmwmoa nra aclu
rec.motorcycles	bike short articl apr ncar ucar edu bean cgd ucar edu gregori bean write friend shop for motorcycl thi great seat thi not great thing found and unhappi for happier suzuki us design for exampl boss had had seat coupl inch lower regular cruiser david karr karr cornel edu bmw dod bmwmoa nra aclu
rec.motorcycles	bike for sale usa articl apr zorro tyngsboro zorro tyngsboro jeff derienzo write recent becom father twin don can afford bike and babi babi stai harlei xlhd hei wife bike that pretti uncal for smile harlei manhood feel challeng jeff derienzo thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	msf program mail archiv locat msf program for ibm thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	stori lynn pacesett lynn hall write allow god open contain street sign bar yeah cop hand for coupl thousand biker block main street not cite street fill empti can feet deep gutter crowd raisin hell titti show can you parti and stereotyp erc whacha mean ifin want stereotyp that like drink beer and watch love ladi displai beauti bodi that stereotyp you refer stereotyp infer neg you notic didn rape pillag burn town left mucho buck monei town think town like lynn hall no bro
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron articl shd athena uga edu ahatch athena uga edu allan hatcher wrote you can make citizen arrest feloni not that true rephras you can file complaint will bring person into court understand citizen arrest not physic detent person john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi articl murdoch acc virginia edu cdw dayhoff med virginia edu danc feder ranger articl rider joe rider cactu org write cdw dayhoff med virginia edu danc feder ranger write bui bmw cast vote for groucho thought you gonna bui bmw for superior power and handl tad price rang obmotowash cut finger evil cotterpin lurk dark recess back end bike give prize moto bath slice pinki hand time thi time ride safe send your moa rag cliff weston dod seca thought cool bike powder coat black undercoat neon splatter brian simmon you beemer jeff campbel wx frog sarvax cmhnet org
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl dpa new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker wrote previou articl xlyx vax cit cornel edu mike terri ask wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground thi true evinc popular shaft drive drag bike john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock articl rinnal cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun write post alt locksmith method for secur motorcycl respons refer cobra lock describ below come across store carri thi lock chicago area dealership turn back order manufactur directli each made order you nonstandard length standard feedback us thi below articl innraj shellei washington edu basiji stein washington edu david basiji write incident lock found for bike cobra lock cabl shroud articul harden steel sleev lock cylindr and lock pawl engag joint articul point chain can adjust handcuff you can leverag lock break open and cylind protect wouldn want cut torch and vice and heavi duti cut wheel long cobralink lock that us us for harlei doesn anymor don us lock that anymor made articul steel shell cover strand steel cabl stop joyrid profession can open easili freez link break frozen link your favorit method hammer work snip steel cabl author frightfulli thin set boltcutt for monei you can kryptonit cabl lock anywher thick steel cabl steel rope shield flexibl cover protect your bike finish and barrel type lock mechan don adjust sourc difficult pick lock and cabl squish flat bolt cutter jaw shear model bet thief die grinder cutoff wheel even durabl lock test yield thi tool minut fyi get krypto cabl paycheck chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	point for helmet law point for articl prcr prc terri prcr prc terri cunningham write law book propos that ban motorcycl place that want privat place ban bike for exampl famou mile drive monterrei peninsula and stai resort that sport motorcycl allow sign entranc and public place call ama and for jim bensberg legisl offic will recound public place that had bring court revers ban bike that includ public park full citi fight book speak that anoth good reason donat legisl fund death life tell you you fire gei paul blumstein paulb harlei tti dod abat ama hog doh laa marc arrl platypu qrp arpci naswa lwca rcma cala transact technolog inc santa monica
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock you find thi repost origin sender bottom cut articl rec motorcycl path scrumpi bnrgate corpgat new utdalla edu herm chpc utexa edu ut exa edu swrind mip pacbel iggi vitalink widen eff ibmpc cug pipex unipalm uknet cybaswan eeharvei eeharvei cybaswan harvei newsgroup rec motorcycl subject lock bike messag cybaswan date jul gmt refer jul usenet in cwru edu line figur perform bike lock test permiss price for comparison cabl lock sort armour chain lock padlock and chain each lock test for maximum ten minut sec for each test bottl jack cut disc bolt cropper ga ga flame tabl split into immoblis for and lock someth for short make comparison type weight ga total price sec sec sec sec sec pound arm fold cyclelok bar abu steel cabl flex oxford cabl revolv abu disku chain arm fold cyclelok bar abu extra lock cobra cabl abu close chain shackl kryptonit lock oxford lock magnum disclock disc lock abu lock mini block disc lock pretti depress read good lock and common sens and you park your bike answer spent spare time last two week landscap trash garden and two friend bike hous accommod bike rel secur never underestim room bike requir manouv wall area sinc weekend two bike and didn us abu close shackl lock hassl visit parent minimum wait week don decid investig for insur compani make offer and for real haggl begin abu german compani and not repres common distributor articl michael brandon oliv crescent hawick roxburgh tel distributor for lock can requir don lose ian ian harvei univers colleg swansea rock roll eeharvei swan pyr young die
rec.motorcycles	counterst san hand steer hand aren bar open budweis left hand camel cigarett feet allow lean and bike turn counterst counterst benchrac taller seat your feet aren floor rick
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr vax cit cornel edu xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike terri that told nasa rent cop that stop swore lift didn complet bui part water carb phil stone address pstone motorcycl
rec.motorcycles	rout suggest articl apr portho bellcor mdc pyux bellcor corrado mitchel write articl qmm dinnnlg cronkit central sun doc webrid central sun steve buni chicago write thi point rout present undetermin into pennsylvania york and back chicago suggest you make into york state palisad interst parkwai pleasant ride beauti sceneri good road surfac minim traffic you sinc you hit pip pavement exit for dai beat thi winter don rememb thi bad break apart and pothol storm drain that your lane oppos side road talk annoi cost save measur for traffic don weekdai outbound rush hour happen inbound bdc mitch corrado dec mdc panther tnd bellcor thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	hell met articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write talk coupl peopl helmet drop get don sweat you replac and don ride helmet helmet damag structur drop feet cement seat chip paint didn screw actual shell bet price helmet that feet higher not don end replac real futur wear total nondamag face dot rate cheapi doesn fit wind wear shoei lot comfort wind quieter minor damag wear full facer worri wind blast face and inabl hear polic siren helmet damag you reccomend good helmet slightli disappoint badli shoei scratch etc not bloodi care and impact chip paint and arguabl mess period good full face good vent wind protect shoei style kinda norton awhil back suspect expens helmet want not replac time not care set helmet will subject fit agv sukhoi that current shoei task and get and crash onc coupl year ago hard impact head hip care that price consider kiwi hear good and cheap christ don treat head carefulli treat shoei toss and don bruis mildli mildli paranoid helmet don carri peopl net you mention that not consist live planet regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl apr cornel edu karr cornel edu david karr write articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write that you don even peopl techniqu counterst co will intuit time round corner will and will steer tuchus don teach counterst beginn help tuchu steerer guess that steer bicycl that and hang counterst normal ride counterst swerv problem start normal ride decid that turn speed ramp and lot difficult that knew work that for debat knew that work swerv figur normal ride data point that not bad idea bring idea tuchu steer for lesson two can learn shift gear worri proper handlebar techniqu counterst fact experienc rider instructor claim that rider and make bike turn whichev side want shift weight even oper turn opposit direct admit never thi beginn had passeng train lesson instructor hop back bike and student for ride student not give instructor you sack potato passeng speech instructor steer bike and make gener nuisanc amus watch happi that didn happen bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	question helmet articl qmnp inn mojo eng umd edu oconnor eng umd edu mark connor write side fenc own bieff road helmet minor fall and had visibl damag shell helmet job damag impact ratio scari bell moto impact order twice bieff impact thi frequent and don even scratch two season recommend bui high qualiti gear ymmv your helmet nogin hit immoveab object thing dissip energi immov object helmet shell helmet liner rider head rider ego assum that helmet head assembl take impact shell crack case liner dent head get jiggl liner that dent helmet toast shell crack won absorb energi form impact that area head that get jiggl gear isn high qualiti bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl jnmoyn moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write hold second and clarifi for dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for drive intox thi chang louisiana girl court and won case claim stone pot not intox liquor drive impair that cover bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist articl srgenprp blaisec blais cirelli write think bui motorcycl whenev peopl thi answer you want that brother sister cousin had motorcycl and brain dead result accid question danger ride exactli danger you hard and protect keep troubl mean know your limit keep your machin good shape and predict and make for stupid move that driver make deal fun stai aliv take consciou effort bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl apr bcar bnr keithh bnr keith hanlan write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write cked for insur had dwi and for beemer rec vehicl cost almost buck insur year sell bike and car and start take bu that you can drink your prioriti lai expect that thi list lost friend drive drunk that collect sympathi will somewhat mute gui doubt approv drunk drive caught and convict and punish you lighten mean isn haven had and ridden driven home didn caught and can speak for and will never happen that besid point answer origin poster insur vehicl cheapest and can you and work and suffer for year til your rate drop and don drink and drive had friend kill drunk and rear end total bike bent frame and fail kill had ey mirror wait stoplight regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	dog articl pntm cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write thi tactic depend for effect dog conform psycholog norm that not appli dog success won work charli manson dog that stupid larg irish setter taught thi yard appar territori dai plai game game kill angri neighbor can dispens terribl punish dog weigh max you can handl you presum thumb grappl and tear head sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl stafford stafford winona msu edu stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford write apr gmt xlyx vax cit cornel edu wheeli motorcycl shaft drive rear wheel come ground not front hop into air figur john stafford you can wheeli shaft drive bike had bmw that wheeli monster didn initi power burst twist into air had pop clutch had replac front fork seal time fair bit heavi slam stantion tube time give you fair warn trash ring pinion gear final drive assum wheeli and thi cheap fix kind slip devic shaft prevent break didn save gear topic wheeli dai kid big hurrican stoppi rear wheeli man had rear end thi bike feet ground traffic light don recommend activ anymor that gui kid look damn impress you can tire ground point that direct cheer
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe jrlaf sgi msd lmsc lockhe laferrier write keith calm you prohibitionist prick point andrew infant post obviou solicit suggest pertain cost insur and don care you madd sadd that simpli put drink irrelav drive drunk indefens and unforgiv larg differnec attitud expect you dead hope you don human you dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl apr adob cjackson adob curti jackson write articl apr alw nih gov gregh niagara dcrt nih gov gregori humphrei write work that cover bike helmet that ignor bui number approxim and will doubt flame helmet cheap jacket us cheap glove noth special motorcycl safeti foundat ride wow cours georgia cheaper for list good add heavi boot work hike combat similar peac alan alanf eng tridom kotbbbb gsxr ama dod pgp kei
rec.motorcycles	strang experi nice yesterdai burgh rode bike gynecologist appoint exam notic helmet sit chair excit and pick and start ask sort question bike and dealer area and msf appar rode friend for year ago and recent bug ride caught needless had never talk bike such posit mean chri hogan andrew cmu edu soft massacr sun even sabr slain emili dickinson
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write morn get coffe thought wave biker make sens hei nice meet you road good ride you watch for bike wave mean your attent road and you like cage you habit watch carefulli for bike you cage thi good thing side that cage numer occas slam hand into roll window effort wave pass biker beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa ont canada dod seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabr gt can afford mbeav bnr park space don steenkin park space
rec.motorcycles	harlei davidson mail list email tast sensat interest mail list for harlei davidson bike lifestyl polit and member countri make subscrib send request harlei request thinkag uunet thinkag harlei request your request join signatur give your full email address not reli header field thi not autom listserv facil not expect instant gratif list digest format schedul for twice dai member harlei list obtain back issu and subject index list pictur etc email archiv server server access restrict list subscrib ftp access real motorcycl relat list heard not run address not current stroke stroke request microun dirt dirt request zygot ati european listserv frigg isc race race request formula corp sun digest request formula corp sun short ride short request smarmi sun wet leather listserv frigg isc climb hill matchless honda built light brian wilson honda honda
rec.motorcycles	dog articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write dog weigh max you can handl you presum thumb grappl and tear head sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag regard charl dod profession train guard dog poll gave chanc surviv tackl train dog unarm train guard dog not trifl untrain mutt anoth stori obmoto local dog us chase time annoi final start stop time chase didn and slink road coupl week thi stop chase altogeth chase car bike recogn mike heathman briar rose dod lilli research titan await resurrect indianapoli that
rec.motorcycles	part info for maicoletta scooter post for friend for tire dimens for brake info relin exist shoe maicoletta owner anywher contact call scott email fop thousand sew togeth round lloyd build disclaim write noth employ that pete ashdown pashdown slack sim salt lake citi utah
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl motorcycl safeti foundat ride wow cours georgia cheaper for maryland each learn ride year ago for beginn rider and for experienc rider admittedli take half time
rec.motorcycles	wreck bmw you you wreck that interest get rid motor will bui bike email repli david braun ftcollinsco ncr dab vuse vanderbilt edu phone voic mail home
rec.motorcycles	squid riceburn respect articl qqxp cbmvax cbm commodor hartzler cbmvax cbm commodor jerri hartzler cat write articl apr icomsim mman icomsim michael man write duck squid don wave return wave even each excus for ignoramu squid and you chri behanna squid dana myer view express mine and not necessarili dana locu dod reflect employ thi extra support abolit and wpm test
rec.motorcycles	put your helmet behanna syl nec chri behanna maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint don stupid leav your helmet seat can fall and boom helmet ground tabl chair shelf surfac that larg support that will not easili knock anoth good place for your helmet your mirror kid you not you typic standard bike fairli averag mirror that screw into your handlebar your helmet fit your mirror and fairli stabl doubt mention thi trick isn quit smart goldw cbr gsxr bike fair mount mirror surpris find that you had your helmet your seat you centerstand your bike leav helmet bike park for reason wouldn want helmet surfac that start tilt and jerk ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live quot below pair nankai race replica leather thi sort phrase typic japlish slmr drive agress rash magnific nankai leather comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	spagthorp vike vike iastat edu dan sorenson ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write ride hill lead hous encount liver and white springer spaniel relat springer softail springer spagthorp close relat spagthorp vike miss articl spagthorp vike that illumin dragon head front fender style copi indian and round side cover not vike trick unit made back forti fifti spag make race iter springer boxer twin similar max friz famou design overhead point cam below for valvetrain problem that thing had ground clearanc whatsoev solut curv cylind bore that ground clearanc substanti increas springer motor front vike motor front thi roughli idea that bore gradual curv radiu piston loath make sharp angl turn middl stroke engin had curv connect rod accomod stroke engin stuck revolutionari and uniqu overhead cam system us clever valv time and and extrordinarili trick valv linkag singl cam lobe requir drive overhead valv revolutionari hydraul valv actuat us pressur stream oil power waterwheel lobe spin side effect that requir brutal engin fix that engin oil pressur normal engin valv time random result impress start valv damag solut hand crank that pressur case you start beast remark similar system us porsch pressur oil system car start cage electr oil pump wimp despit thi fix engin had nasti propens for explos fire valv into piston cylind temporarili lose bit oil pressur corner solut run even higher oil pressur and chang gasket and seal regularli thi feasibl race engin singl overhead lobe and pushrod shaft chain tower hydraul system head engin almost perfect point lobe complex linkag not shown due valvestem complex piston note that tip not vertic degre angl ground and thi draw doesn show curvatur head bore curv start cylind bore disappear thi diagram effect pointi head top pair gentli pundit dai even sensuous curv cylind pair fin vike horn poke beneath ga tank name vik moder success racer lightn fast work plagu problem relat revolutionari technolog eventu dump spag final realiz that race not spagthorp name made machin race for anoth year two privat and fate approxim six vike made possibl two springer confus issu spag staffer swear and that thi machin tool for product and that twenti thirti machin come line modern record product vike surviv and motorcycl historian discount thi stori ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live slmr you aren slide you aren ride comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	krypto cabl cobra lock articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write for monei you can kryptonit cabl lock anywher thick steel cabl steel rope shield flexibl cover protect your bike finish and barrel type lock mechan don adjust sourc difficult pick lock and cabl squish flat bolt cutter jaw shear model fyi get krypto cabl paycheck word warn kryptonit sell almost useless cabl lock kryptonit name obtain second motorcycl migrat kryptonit lock bicycl bike shop for lock for bicycl for monei had choic kryptonit cabl lock advantag lock front and back wheel bicycl and kryptonit name cheesi name lock advantag real steel chose kryptonit cabl week back disgust and exchang for cheesi name lock krypto cabl bought not made kryptonit not cover kryptonit guarante and doesn even approach kryptonit standard qualiti and qualiti assur gener made taiwan cabl lock kryptonit name secondli latch engag mechan joke don mine poor exampl quit frustrat latch posit engag and sometim engag fall open unlock thirdli lock plastic door keywai serv sole purpos frustrat attempt insert kei dark didn doubt that lock mechan stand insert screwdriv and torqu attack fourthli cabl not opinion suffici thick deter theft for piec crap bicycl that cabl suffer weak that can cut strand time you patient you can cut cabl fingernail clipper aviat snip cabl minut michael robinson ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson cogsci berkelei edu
rec.motorcycles	for joh dhhalden last nick pettefar npet bnr wrote tsk tsk tsk anoth newbi bite dust learn newbi disappoint you internet baghdad you your dad bag peopl made thi group interest year ago longer and time make random sweep onc week miss thi thread base your previou post appar devoid humour sarcasm wit appar capac walk and chew gum time assum you mea culpa nice that bnr that can afford overpai contractor sit and read new dai pete young pky fmg phone peopl prefer entertain nonsens unexcit realiti
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi articl apr sarvax cmhnet org frog sarvax cmhnet org jeff frog campbel write articl murdoch acc virginia edu cdw dayhoff med virginia edu danc feder ranger obmotowash cut finger evil cotterpin lurk dark recess back end bike give prize moto bath slice pinki hand time thi time you beemer never wash bmw work never cut until tool come altho scar fade exhaust piper chang oil overh engin watch for idiot driver that won you pass mountain you rider case oil sale and case beer drain bolt that decid seiz clean area transmiss bmw bike found remov engin and transmiss that and clutch arm imposs clean wear locat laz can head polish and port cheap that run
rec.motorcycles	question thi stupid question motorcycl scene don dod jonathan field field ci ohio state edu
rec.motorcycles	der whassa deltabox articl kxal izc ccu umanitoba klinger ccu umanitoba jorg klinger write beleiv call dentabox frame noth putti and paint won fix thi ride gsxr gutsi
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion advic ride pillion ninja thi will time for extend ride read farther block ride twisti fairli bumpi road mine road hamilton loop for you bai arean thi person lb and fairli small don weight problem sort advic give want hold grab rail back and heard that shoulder direct turn lean tradit signal for slow faster hafta pee etc want thi posit experi for that want will appreci bob bob wert rmw geni gene rwert dod ama ninja mustang turn highwai river cross sometim you feel you can fly sometim you lost
rec.motorcycles	yamaha honda opinion hte market for bike for year two main bike yamaha virago and honda shadow vlx lean yamaha for shaft drive honda chain insur fla costli thought stai thi power rang advanc for opinion and experi
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean you advic and wuit you whine flame brain and can spell edu hope you not student duke you wast your tuition beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk
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rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert bob wert write thi person lb and fairli small don weight problem sort advic give want hold grab rail back and heard that shoulder direct turn lean tradit signal for slow faster hafta pee etc never like passeng and shift weight turn find weight shift can sudden and unnerv thing get comfort decid your shoulder don recommend shift weight each turn violent thi make your passeng wear good gear sometim choos ride helmet lack safeti gear depend squidli feel won passeng can handl wouldn want hurt don glove jacket jean heavi boot and helmet that fit want thi posit experi for that want will appreci real easi amaz solid grip you handl bar that your passeng not don make feel slide back and snappi turn for you sicken lurch for gener feel control and smooth passeng can stand back brother bike and ride aggress ride and good pilot feel unsteadi you passeng bob show not show time thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	dod confession can ration everytim happen uncontrol hate pre motorcycl thought phase us didn happen gaze and custom each time sadist pictur hurl larg precipic pictur swarm german tourist cheer and take holidai snap can figur that part everytim read sig contain spoke wheel shudder and feel piti that poor soul suffer imagin owner scrap live discard maytag refridger box tuck hope for deliver had past loath milwauke machin can begin understand preach hope beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk
rec.motorcycles	tape daytona articl acsu buffalo edu ubvmsb buffalo edu mark olszowi write haven mention for repost tnn show daytona sundai april est don miss hell finish look for and didn manag find list for tnn tape vh and persuad lend watch great jon wright hell page softwar inc dod that come outa mouth vfr
rec.motorcycles	women jacket daemon child articl apr colorado edu bowmanj csn org jerri bowman write articl bethdc juzw netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write articl apr mnemosyn edu jhenslei nyx edu john henslei write beth dixon bethd netcom wrote duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard wife for jacket and men style don fit fit shoulder and arm tight across chest that suggest assum that pilot addit handi storag facil pretti decent fit compani that make reason line women motorcycl stuff importantli boulder denver shop that bother carri articl motorcycl coupl month back specif women attir for and not ride mention make stuff specif for women dimens and work bate will make custom jacket and leather for reason charg jon wright hell page softwar inc dod that come outa mouth vfr
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist blaisec blais cirelli write question danger ride sorta question bike you recommend for time rider honda hawk ymmv paul thompson appl comput
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write you aptli put road jerk don wanna hear your whine fine fuck you notic two year ago and learn and cost and peopl friend and rel involv drunk relat accid not hit and cousin recov can back happen stupid remind time you help stuff your opinion hei man you brought agre complet drive drunk stupid and understand and that you feel bad dwi endem societi real problem and motorcyclist can worst vulner posit drunk driver alert reader rememb that last year wit dwi accid bloodi front and unabl save life particip report drunk drive motorcyclist prime injuri and death rais insur rate forc stupidli restrict law and turn public ride respons view drunk drive carri mandatori prison sentenc traffic offens not public fund issu genuin safeti issu you bring subject rec moto admit caught dwi and for sympathi consequ don expect peopl respond warm wish dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire you and beav lighten esp beav agre that dui dwi reason law strict enforc and tough sentenc andrew not post for sympathi consequ post ask for advic had extrem high quot post valid found insur for note predica not defend drunk drive and renounc drunk drive repeat offend worri and bdc make thi person longer part problem outcast paid debt societi step high hors irrespons past that guilti type hostil rapist come feel punish not sever true dwi dui that case stinkin gubment chang had reason law dwi dui stiff penalti fewer peopl rate andrew paid debt defin law you that debt greater law mandat your repres jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	extraordinari footpeg engin articl vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write exb csdvax csd unsw edu wrote guess you make left turn correct edg stud contact road caus turn and unthread you had make turn tighten stud bzzzt for plai make turn sucker coupl feet ground michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	owner tankbag suggest want martenm chess ncsu edu mark marten write for tank bag and wonder you follow owner make suggest and not work for you file thi apolog for ask and will gladli accept flame that blown belstaff tankbag and ain good difficult fix secur co tank fair sidepanel layout and bar full lock bag touch handlebar switch you horn full left lock and starter motor full bui anoth for magnet
rec.motorcycles	bike short not older bike yamaha virago spec seat height and honda shadow
rec.motorcycles	mainten tip read servic manual for bike suzuki coupl question hope you can answer check oil level dip stick built into oil fill cap check cap screw not us dip stick for cage stick extract fulli wipe clean and reinsert fulli withdrawn and read dip stick bike part oil filler cap and inch thread remov cap wipe stick clean and reinsert screw read servic manual call for applic suzuki bond head cover guess thi sort liquid gasket materi you gener cheaper substitut headlight halogen bulb easi brighter replac bulb for your weather philadelphia final turn warm thi weekend lotsa bike and rider wave nice chang tone philadelphia can chri christoph karra internet cgkarra world std
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist ditto articl srgenprp blaisec blais cirelli write think bike owner thi year bike experi figur that get decent us bike for thing pai for grad school car permit and want ride bu for advic bike model year not for loud roar thing that sound monster quit whir newer engin like apprec advic
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post mj sy uea mike sixsmith write mj cours and that not mj teach techniqu success you don miss you never had poor sod don miss guess ignor bliss mike bill bill leavitt cbx white lightn suzibago leavitt umd edu honda lone star sick leav dod ama icoa nia impala convert incred hulk hmmm thought bore and stroke techniqu michael bain
rec.motorcycles	stori lynn pacesett lynn hall write allow god open contain street sign bar yeah cop hand for coupl thousand biker block main street not cite street fill empti can feet deep gutter crowd raisin hell titti show can you parti and stereotyp erc
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk mere femal found can big offens line asshol car driver found subtl and nastli ooop mean nasti back cut you wait till pull past you and gentli lean and bend aerial time that eventu snap base undetect for and bummer replac gillian
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post mj sy uea mike sixsmith write mj that you don even peopl mj techniqu counterst co will intuit mj time round corner karr cornel edu david karr write karr you rememb that you can corner karr counterst fact experienc rider instructor karr claim that rider and make bike karr turn whichev side want shift weight karr even oper turn opposit karr direct admit never thi experienc thi back young and foolish bike us track extrem true highwai set throttl tension screw hold ga steadi slide back seat and lean backrest ride hand need turn shift weight into turn and and behold bike turn san touch bar grant wouldn turn fast prove that you can turn bike counterst not term input bar associ counterst peopl you lean and input give bar total unconsci that suffici you road normal circumst possibl for year stretch can argu that thi prefer properli know manipul bar turn you want call for sixsmith bill bill leavitt cbx white lightn suzibago leavitt umd edu honda lone star sick leav dod ama icoa nia impala convert incred hulk hmmm thought bore and stroke techniqu michael bain
rec.motorcycles	insur discount hola amigo quiero answer press question two bike and love capabl and smooth street bike low and lightweight wide power and great brake beemer kind rough for citi great long road and backroad good start stabl don work insur pluck short hair insur agent offer multi vehicl discount thi time for car assum that you capabl drive thing time don manag straddl bike and ride tandem street turn left acceler zephyr turn acceler beemer agenc that make us thi simpl fact discount your rate state farm doesn move bai area insur bike and regist eas shock can guesstim cost insur and tucson cost full and liabil for two per annum mucha gracia enriqu
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert bob wert write advic ride pillion ninja thi will time for extend ride read farther block ride twisti fairli bumpi road mine road hamilton loop for you bai arean commun work your system slow and holler back onc reason speed even muffl magna can hear each mph that you can commun balanc passeng real pain you never react steer peopl catch immedi and lean complet skittish lean thing and bodi perpendicular horizon thi pain turn manag worst passeng stai perpendicular horizon rememb middl turn and whip correct posit thi screw line pick person checklist thing passeng attir helmet long pant boot heavi shoe jacket feet peg time not you can had peopl dismount traffic pull park space muffler get hot nuff good traction not fall time rider surpris tightli you can turn turn dynam sit that you feel you sit upright and straight trust your butt not your ey you confus close your ey for coupl turn feel hug tight sudden move shift your weight desir gradual can compens your facepl open close desir trust essenti trust driver thing driven mile thi thing and oper enjoi ride thi import stress for exampl time passwnger watch speedo hawk drove beach and whever top mph holler slow scare humor for simpli cover speedomet spare piec duct tape stuck top cluster problem solv watch sceneri instrument and had time base experi drive lincoln continent unwil trust abil choos safe speed for bike point control engin transmiss brake tire etc and discuss motorcycl physic bit for timer help calm nerv and bike chanc warm watch for gravel hamilton road lot mudslid last big rain blind corner will nice cover carpet round invis stone doesn build trust you slide blind corner trip good luck fun don drink soap dilut dilut
rec.motorcycles	ain for articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write confus that surpris ask for copi faq mail not kotfaq wonder proper responc panel judg deliber question and answer send request copi and gang faq blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write you aptli put road jerk don wanna hear your whine fine fuck you attitud problem muttonhead you comment sensit despis peopl belittl drink and drive sinc girlfriend kill such asshol back learn verbal abus you can flame and you can us your brain stai newsgroup beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa ont canada dod seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabr gt can afford mbeav bnr thi compani idea talk
rec.motorcycles	bike motorcycl enthusiast motorcycl and put bluntli suck advic good starter bike for thing make bike good bui second time question specif interest race bike cbr gsx that thi sound kind crazi that never had bike respons fast learner and love give advic that you search includ place even specif bike that you want sell jami belliveau jbc andrew cmu edu
rec.motorcycles	bike motorcycl enthusiast motorcycl and put bluntli suck advic good starter bike for thing make bike good bui second time question specif interest race bike cbr gsx that thi sound kind crazi that never had bike respons fast learner and love give advic that you search includ place even specif bike that you want sell jami belliveau jbc andrew cmu edu
rec.motorcycles	comment honda interceptor jearl tekig pen tek jeffrei david earl write articl apr skyfox howp skyfox write purchas honda interceptor for cdn don mileag thi bike pictur trader magazin good shape can enlighten whether thi good purchas oog hate jump thi type thread pass big top heavi and carri lot expens part friend refer ground magnet jeff earl jearl tekig pen tek dod kottg kotspt wmtc ama millennium falcon squid factor klr thumpi hit button chewi han solo ain nothin mph sweeper idaho rocki dean woodward you want step into world dean fring rain socio psychot state bliss virago gun rose world dod
rec.motorcycles	dog articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag agre thi you grab chin and care your hand twist head tailwag you death even had occas unexpectedli jump german shepherd and grab upper jaw hand and lower jaw hold mouth open strong clamp and can noth thi macho shit fact that you ride bike and dog arrow intercept unwis for you stop and deal dog for simpl fact that your leather and work your jean you can dismount and deal properli mean you kick dog attent stop and stai you kick dog and ride that victori for dog drove you territori not even qualifi victori victori you kick and stop and sit dog will shit thi gui and back you establish your domin dog and will not bother you llama stori you stop llama will hop and insist ride and that you lucki doesn you barf you bike and steal curti jackson cjackson adob hawk maxim dod kotb black lab mix studlei doright colli golden georg justif for take individu freedom guis public safeti thoma jefferson
rec.motorcycles	question helmet side fenc own bieff road helmet minor fall and had visibl damag shell helmet job damag impact ratio scari bell moto impact order twice bieff impact thi frequent and don even scratch two season recommend bui high qualiti gear ymmv mark
rec.motorcycles	women jacket daemon child articl bethdc juzw netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write articl apr mnemosyn edu jhenslei nyx edu john henslei write beth dixon bethd netcom wrote duc doesn back carri lipstick jacket pocket life hard wife for jacket and men style don fit fit shoulder and arm tight across chest that suggest assum that pilot addit handi storag facil pretti decent fit compani that make reason line women motorcycl stuff importantli boulder denver shop that bother carri lucki found jacket like that fit make pilot jacket mine similar style made leather san jose bought last two made find decent women motorcycl gear not easi lot stuff that fring made fashion leather made fit men etc don shop your area women rider friendli place san francisco san jose area don recommend bui cloth mail order hard fit bate custom make leather you want call and cost estim for type jacket your wife interest larg manufactur bmw and sell women line cloth decent qualiti fit iffi ago noemi and lisa sievert talk start busi thi sort thing don final decid beth that john collin us carri honest god women garb beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr newbridg bradw newbridg brad warkentin write fast quickli lastest rumor rear wheel handl dream straight line and get tad upset review cycl world corner you can you can you mean fast straight line perform and handl present dai liter sport bike horsepow and faster and mile time max corner bit handl good big standard earli not compar what state art dai true randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	solar batteri charger good articl apr csd newshost stanford edu robert xenon stanf ord edu robert kennedi write solar batteri booster and come guarante hand heard that peopl us success commun directli such person you your experi you us occasion charg long term leav for week etc robert kennedi cheap solar charger that car purchas mail order catalog year batteri oldsmobil run summer ride bike drive car know sell car year purchas charger not thing work batteri held charg and energet start car time week sit eventu had purchas batteri winter sun wasn strong due low angl paid for charger power expens purchas cheapest find never us bike charger and plug time bike garag arni skurow
rec.motorcycles	cat and dog articl mqinn emori mathc emori edu gnome org write jame bessett jimb cbnewsj att wrote articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write breeder chase bmw cam chain that case chase goldw toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	ggrrrrrr cage doubl park motorc qjmf sixgun east sun egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write articl castl wbg festiv geak write apart complex us live thi put thing driver window couldn miss friend damn wreck home night vision block sticker suggest manag enorm liabil care put sticker cage window hmmm lddc secur guard dockland place park sticker driver side window reflect that accid suppos peopl aren litigi state stephen stephen dunn mag dod sdun isma demon intern secur market associ speak for that voic fax pgp public kei not affili demon site
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl csundh ursa csundh ursa calvin edu charl sundheim write tale bike eat devil dog delet moral not and that biker allow carri handgun come louisiana legal carri conceal weapon bike dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	neck rein counterst faq post articl qmetg sixgun east sun egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write basic two wai steer hors plow rein and neck rein plow rein steer keep rein separ and you pull direct you neck rein steer hors hold rein togeth hand and pull hors neck direct you train plow steer hors neck rein techniqu cross rein neck neck rein left rein pull side neck left side bit hors us plow rein dai learn ride bareback kid palm reign push side hors neck your palm turn left lot counterst that pretti easi transit motorcycl break habit kick rear fender heel faster steve steve moselei moselei washington edu microbiolog phone univers washington fax seattl
rec.motorcycles	chang sprocket ratio honda articl btb uki edu cbrook uki edu clayton brook write honda guru can replac front sprocket honda slightli larger thi prefer reduc size rear that twin cam steel guard sprocket broken chain punch hole engin case and need not room fit bigger sprocket inclin two teeth rear for ratio chang ad front for you rais gear ratio you impair bike rideabl gear will apart that will gear that adequ respons speed honda don widest power band chuck karish karish mindcraft karish pangea stanford edu
rec.motorcycles	bike sold net mile previou articl essbaum rchland vnet ibm alexand essbaum articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write bike sold long distanc love hear bought vfr gui san jose net that mile odomet mark andi live pittsburgh bought dude massachusett connecticut sold bike net young ladi live salt lake citi live lost angel turn had mutual aquaint ucla bower dod alfa ducati hobi kottk blad iaido nasa good sake don you that girl can plai guitar mari chapin carpent
rec.motorcycles	protect gear second boot oil spot car slipperi park bike and good boot squid
rec.motorcycles	chang sprocket ratio honda articl cellar org craig cellar org saint craig wrote can contact chaparel cycl suppli hei even had sprocket for hard find accesssori for second that even had sprocket for hard find john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi sender repli harmon gyro tek harmon sommer distribut organ usr en etc organ keyword bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol current membership laps for renew case that not for anoth year hint will organ busi that long and prefer longer and worth part becom activist campaign for insur program for univers driver rider train licens pick topic dear your heart and organ act barnacl don move ship
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post sender repli harmon gyro tek harmon sommer distribut organ usr en etc organ keyword hei you explain fact that you pull hors rein left left confus two thread taught neck rein left rein brought bear left side hors neck equestrian counter steer
rec.motorcycles	for sale sell sportster make room for flhtcu thi scoot excel condit and never wreck abus garag sportster standard blue factori convers kit mile branch port and polish big valv head screamin eagl carb screamin eagl cam adjust pushrod harlei perform muffler tachomet metzel tire front and rear progress front fork spring harlei king and queen seat and sissi bar chrome ring chain fork brace oil cooler and thermostat die hard batteri bike cover price phone melbourn florida
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point cked for insur had dwi and for beemer rec vehicl cost almost buck insur year sell bike and return dod number andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl qjn sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write singl track snow vehicl front ski and snow ski attach skier leg deform surfac snow creat bank ic skate alter phase ic and carv track bugger motorcycl appar similar handl characterist not analag underli physic that motorcycl handl characterist last attempt tack agreement that two explan for can us handlebar lean move motorcycl question effect domin and idea design experi seaprat two characterist and effect produc similar result bike familiar that spark controversi gyroscop precess examin thi alon rid contact patch effect not allow contact patch transmit forc wheel and steer mechan remain and attach vehicl weight bike suspens that wheel transmit forc bike similar bike experi ride bike dry road move and wheel spin chang surfac that won transmit forc contact patch and steer manoeuvr bike lean sinc easi fall ic wouldn good idea feel contact patch can turn even ic doesn rid contact patch forc altogeth find frictionless surfac you wheel lock rotat that contact patch effect fairli simpl find vehicl that get magnitud and direct cantact patch forc motorcycl and transmit vehicl rotat wheel get contact patch forc irrelev for that contact patch that can straight and not sidewai and ski skate fine don snow ski skate bike suzuki wetbik that arrang motorcycl fat water ski wheel propellor front rear ski that coast rid effect admit that thi second hand info love review local cycl rag and gui bike shop that sell that thi machin handl motorcycl that you counterst turn contact patch that transmit similar forc bike similar suspens arrang and gyroscop counterst conclus you don gyroscop counterst vehicl that motorcycl contact patch arrang don real effect gyroscop observ handlebar angl forc etc relat steer gener will bet that not domin factor counterst you don thi conclus don accept motorcycl behaviour consist can prove ahead bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write don stupid leav your helmet seat can fall and boom true put ground free spoog directli head that kind fall helmet design protect not exactli helmet lot energi your head isn and lump insid compress liner shell drop seat crack shell doubt you can send inspect bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk articl nielsmm nanna imv aau nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen write dai rain cat and dog therefor speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw drive meter for meter and red light calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll window and told total idiot and reason thing us mad and commun anger jerk uhm educ improv manner traffic tail heavi traffic slow bit buffer zone front balanc minim buffer find that jerk will notic traffic move faster lane switch into and pass fine can ey jerk ahead front split attent ahead and mirror traffic heavi that for jerk pass pull for street number name ignor jerk jerk tail thi sound wimpi denizenli pessimist perhap for psych type passiv aggress that prefer adrenalin jolli ride yell jerk ride can improv dai yell jerk like for ruin ride dai anger worst case yell jerk ruin life sinc even tini jerk cage arm cage bike hand you subtli arrang last vehicl legal cross intersect leav jerk wait for cross traffic and your tail cross illeg hopefulli front wait polic almost your choic and mileag will vari deni mckeon galwai chtm eec unm edu
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi articl shaman tek harmon tek harmon sommer write bmw owner think sign for moa current membership laps for renew hint will organ busi that long becom activist campaign for insur program for univers driver rider train licens pick topic dear your heart and organ act barnacl don move ship you not refer quot individu barnacl don each send crew ship move organ act easi can and organ will larg determin presid and director can that make import vote elect offic strike that bmwmoa lot polit activ state and nation arena not infight organ chang thi join group that polit incident polit hazard motorcycl rider moment don compar problem group gun owner target pistol shoot northeast california and bet you you had worri wear helmet thread rec moto eventu come gun david karr karr cornel edu
rec.motorcycles	for women motorcycl helmet bui us motorcycl helmet interest full face shield not necessarili helmet piec chin email directli janic kendal kendal adob decwrl sun adob kendal onward fog oat willi
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl apr ntuvax ntu ntuvax ntu write ican handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl cycl world magazin never bad motorcycl max motor thing short short chassi love straight line aim nice stabl not overfond corner forc into protest shake head chatter front tire grind footpeg and gener make prefer for straight pavement bump doesn fork isn bad soft that can bottom hard brake shock work that short travel shaft drive swingarm firm point harsh dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	hasti appar that last post hasi sinc call place and quot for and liabil palc will give for car liab bike for total ain bad won place call that fer andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	time kind soul advanc time rev for special bought canada
rec.motorcycles	for sale sell sportster make room for flhtcu thi scoot excel condit and never wreck abus garag sportster standard blue factori convers kit mile branch port and polish big valv head screamin eagl carb screamin eagl cam adjust pushrod harlei perform muffler tachomet metzel tire front and rear progress front fork spring harlei king and queen seat and sissi bar chrome ring chain fork brace oil cooler and thermostat die hard batteri bike cover price phone melbourn florida
rec.motorcycles	stolen aarghhhh articl jpolito apr sysgem encor jpolito sysgem encor jonathan polito write articl apr microun ericm microun eric murrai write watch scumbag steal cover that mean that steal bike case had fade cover stolen bmw that stash apart carport and not visibl street evid decid beemer wasn worth steal night steal honda hurrican park apart build neighbor heard wheel and call cop thi set thi thing that good bmw bike account heard practic steal bmw similar for moto guzzi and rel exot sinc isn larg demand for part and bike easier track that stolen bike harlei and jap sport bike you for reason btw coupl year ago stolen bike orang counti and gsx and ninja biggest reason bmw aren rip that peopl bui bmw will deal actual bmw dealer mail order type can inventori check fairli easili law enforc type and mark suffici honest acquir part for harlei and rice rocket you situat huge aftermarket harlei part bike can part fairli easili ditto sport japanes bike price part for not high compar for rocket anytim bike plastic crack and expens replac fairli easi for disreput shop fair stolen bike slap bike for repair repaint and make tidi profit part traceabl can us discard traceabl mike disclaim opiini damn exit quitby ctrlaltdel logout save quit quit zzzzzz man helpquit man exit quit ctrlshftdel hei stop
rec.motorcycles	passeng helmet size articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write question for dai passeng helmet you don for gonna ride you you meet church meet yeah that ticket guidelin pick anoth shoei size backup helmet inexpens smaller size accomod like passeng your primari concern protect passeng event crash fit for helmet that size your primari concern compli stupid helmet law carri real big spare you can put big small head big helmet not small shop for passeng helmet notic that case extern dimens helmet differ amount insid pad solut bui larg helmet and construct remov liner sheet close cell foam and satin glu insid surfac result snug fit smallest head pillion liner and comfort fit largest head pillion liner get liner not fit michael robinson ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson cogsci berkelei edu
rec.motorcycles	bmw moa member read thi bill ranck write bmw owner think sign for moa begin suspici throw monei rathol you gui sort thi bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg ditto for tim seiss
rec.motorcycles	us bike east west coast hpcc rec motorcycl groverc gold gvg tek grover cleveland apr shop for your bike sacramento bai area price higher state affirm check sacramento bee fresno bee modesto stockton bakersfield and newspap for price moto classifi larg main public librari number town paper graem harrison hewlett packard commun compon divis trimbl san jose gharriso hpcc corp dod
rec.motorcycles	paint job can recommend good place for price bike paint job prefer not essenti london area lisa rowland alex technolog hous uxbridg road tel eal fax london email lisa alex
rec.motorcycles	happi easter nick pettefar npet bnr wrote kevinh tue apr gmt wibbl jonathan quist bemoan minor blasphemi that compani like jaguar sob lotu outright sacrileg for british ownership fundament thing lotu set for manag buyout weren happi that elan late and pricei can write elan develop cost sell for sensibl price legal claus name own british compani owner can sell compani not name kevinh hasler ascom don that seper compani aero engin compani vicker roll royc car and kevin post morgan us slide pillar front suspens bike long bleed last will that pettefar bloke mail address can bung ogri list dave david edmondson david dc qmw queen mari westfield colleg dod guzzi man thi mean end hors drawn zeppelin
rec.motorcycles	observ helmet maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer wrote grf drop shoei seat bike rock centerstand chip heck paint graviti never you lesson put your helmet ground your head you put ground isn gonna fall ground you put your head tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir wrote egreen east sun write tjohnson tazmanian prime tod johnson write horn hand throttl into feet bike mph second long push horn button answer feet feet edgetacalcul rom number easi rememb mph sec tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	moa stuff articl world std artc world std art campbel wrote hotli contest bmwoa elect and inept leadership question histori bmw organ that lead format bmwra year ago that precipit format two compet owner group yep start nomin simultan splitsvil start sourc correct gui involv start group true tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	bike and contact thing full face even cheap brain bucket didn full face import gnarli spill and end slide feet face visor you worri your contact
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike billi jack wild smokei and bandit jerri reed run truck motorcycl gang bike and video tape documentari hell angel found rental store onc
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist angel levin write exactli danger you mind jodi
rec.motorcycles	counterst not question lotto husc harvard edu jerri lotto write run thread understand counterst lot opinion not basi fact studi bottom line understand and abil swerv essenti absent accid involv rider hurt studi averag rider not identifi that counterst alon primari input effect motorcycl lean even year practic agre paragraph hurt studi make distinct abil swerv and failur swerv accid and accid that rider will almost stand brake hard dare simpli instinct brake face danger strong that ride hard brake and swerv tend mutual exclus manouvr hurt draw conclus gener prefer
rec.motorcycles	for women motorcycl helmet lisa alex lisa rowland write janic don unduli cautiou wouldn bui us helmet not for normal road us you never happen past life fun lisa rowland second that list stuff that unwis bui secondhand stuff parachut toilet paper condom and motorcycl helmet risk you extrem good fit secondhand helmet co life doesn work that and lisa you never
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust articl quw btq cso uiuc edu mikeh cso uiuc edu mike hollyman custom that replac cylind head gasket put back togeth wouldn idl run cylind and backfir and spit flame exhaust side exhaust mac bought plug todai and run rough and won idl quit fine tune knob carb mess check time fine advanc and that didn assum carb synch can bui kit and thi kit for price suggest advanc mike hollyman sound you cam time
rec.motorcycles	antifreez coolant articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna for you motorcycl liquid cool persuas brand coolant you us and for aluminum safe coolant prefer phosphat free and prefer cheaper gallon can you kaw dealer quart for offici bless holi kawasaki coolant pai that usuri chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog thought that coolant aluminum safe sinc tear kawasaki add
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write sinc occur paid dollar renumer drunk class and listen righteou asshol that your rest world you never had your suare devil made
rec.motorcycles	counterst not question wed apr gmt mj sy uea mike sixsmith mike lotto husc harvard edu jerri lotto write understand and abil swerv essenti absent accid involv rider hurt studi mike agre paragraph hurt mike studi make distinct abil swerv and failur mike swerv specif abil understand techniqu absent made lot progress rider educ and respons last ten twenti year amaz anytim teach erc peopl year ride experi discov counterst for corner swerv mike hard brake and swerv tend mutual exclus mike manouvr hurt draw conclus gener mike prefer specif recommand cite hurt studi that formal street strategi sipd for exampl import compon rider educ curriculum specif skill emerg brake corner and swerv taught and practic signific that rider noth confront potenti accid and anoth collid fell result rider error choic specif maneuv signific outcom earli detect and proper execut effect countermeasur jerri lotto lotto lhasa harvard edu msfci hogssc bcso ama dod chemistri dept harvard univ harlei and ride want
rec.motorcycles	for joh dhhalden last pete young tue apr gmt wibbl nick pettefar npet bnr wrote tsk tsk tsk anoth newbi bite dust learn newbi disappoint you internet baghdad you your dad bag thi bit funni peopl made thi group interest year ago longer and time make random sweep onc week miss thi thread terribl base your previou post appar devoid humour sarcasm wit appar capac walk and chew gum time assum you mea culpa subtleti sort you subtl isn nice that bnr that can afford overpai contractor sit and read new dai that foreign firm for you and touchi newbi that matter starch undi nick consider biker dod concis oxford gum chewer lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar charl parr tue apr gmt wibbl articl apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write satan rode bike you stop rider stick togeth you stop for satan ride vincent god jesu ride angel ariel and demon ride matchless talk fill teeth regard charl dod span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person that vincent wrong sort bike for satan ride honda brought bike magazin evil that satan not hesit ride hole dm levi and black bomber jacket not helmet darth vader you satan cruisin god ride vincent white lightn rightou inject wear piec leather suit match boot helmet and glove nick righteou biker dod concis oxford leaki gearbox lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli post shafti can wheeli mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground good point john buddi mine told that thing had bmw dump clutch rpm hei ito nly rev and you folk shaft doesn diddleysquatpoop can front wheel ground ferchrissak bill wr gozer bill slack dod tear shed vain and word lost rumbl engin and smoke exhaust
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl dpa new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker previou articl xlyx vax cit cornel edu mike terri ask wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground dod darkman last two motorcycl shaft driven and will wheeli rear gear climb ring gear and lift rear odd feel wheeli
rec.motorcycles	for sale zephyr boi and girl bought beemer and realiz abruptli that grad student sold truck yesterdai sell zephyr can sell thi month great insur and tag run coupl week tag and insur and happen sweet bike mile almost highwai last summer great ride and border purchas exactli year ago apr model good fair and luggag rack red clean perfect mainten bullshit spare detail want and will fit charm not bike for big peopl not small bike standard upright posit and good smooth power great brake good karma erik dod asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu kawi zephyr erik asphaug bmw
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack eagerli await comment ic princess door make habit floor cage drivewai see come hit mph made mistak wave neighbor sort grudg ride downhil mph local backroad brown dobi flash brush mph intercept front wheel dog had start top hill heard and had lead hit road dog approach left and run full tilt bike side road rover back calcul final trajectori bad didn notic car approach mph direct closeup view poor canin friend noggin careen front bumper smack asphalt and get runov front tire manag pretti good yelp impact peripher immin doom guess driver didn swerv into lane squeege pup and head back home haven sinc sniff sometim fate see you and smile rick
rec.motorcycles	for sale sigh for sale reluctantli classic bike yamaha twin origin mile store insid front end aftermarket taper steer head bear racer suppli rear bronz swingarm bush tsubaki chain pirrhana fair headlight cutout carrera race seat superbik bar velo stack twin carb origin seat tank origin cherri white paint scratch dent ding exhaust origin final rust and discard process make kennei robert replica cafe racer graduat school marriag child preclud effort wife love unload assembl throw manual receipt and collect societi newslett and relev mag articl great fun classic bike invest will reason offer timothi shicklei director neurourolog depart urolog and anatomi cell biologi templ univers school medicin north broad philadelphia voic data voic fax internet shicklei templ edu bitnet shicklei templevm bitnet icbm
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write interestingli thing that never happen that bike never move neg impair sentenc that bike move michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock steve buni southwest chicago doc webrid central sun wrote post alt locksmith method for secur motorcycl respons refer cobra lock describ below come across store carri thi lock chicago area feedback us thi yamaha cyclelok photo motorcyclist harden steel kryptonit lock fold place extend lock rear tire tube park sign similar had experi easi attack lock joint section toni
rec.motorcycles	happi easter articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write roll royc own british firm god that end civil not ford own aston martin and jaguar gener motor own lotu and vauxhal rover own honda dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	bike advic kawasaki mint condit and start kick time outgrown bike and sell told that sound higher lower for us spend and year for bike pai arm and leg for rob fusi rwf lehigh edu
rec.motorcycles	bmwmoa controversi articl apr esac prahren esac peter ahren write articl rider joe rider cactu org write vech msstate edu craig vechorik write good boi that long agre you that current board garbag vote you simpli trade form trash for anoth oppon your select equal time joe don you post you ration bmwmoa folk left rest summari current state affair your esteem organ togeth histor outlin you contretemp you dod member bike and club polit and llsh real turn tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod
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rec.motorcycles	bat helmet cbd christoph bradlei devlin andrew cmu edu cbd noth compar ahem uniqu helmet cbd design anim seri huge open for cbd mouth top world tiniest eyeslit enorm mouth cbd open batman helmet cut you degre cbd unrestrict vision helmet thi cbd leather cap mask thingi cbd mon batman doesn batman cbd you notic take bike snow rain batdud weird helmet drag knee corner cookson hidden bat puck and take bike snow rain let robin ride us bat mom made get licens lot easier trend stylish helmet stylish knee drag ride stylish cartoon precipit hmm that deal verit airborn mammalian poseur dare bat squid huh bat squid add make man honorari dod dude dod sticker address for batman current artist comic book and anim seri write and batman becom honorari denizen yeah special kotl preced for induct imaginari member imaginari motorcycl comput bat cave can safe assum that imaginari internet access ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live slmr virtual realiti check bounc comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack previou post dog attack gener bad karma weather attempt dog attack approv method slow screw dog triangul target and laugh dog you thi time didn work didn time ride hill lead hous encount liver and white springer spaniel relat springer softail springer spagthorp close relat spagthorp vike dog encount intent harm digress ride unpaint centerlin roughli foot wide road forti and sixti click mph for veloc impair dog shot bush left side road imposs high speed learn had acceler front porch thirti feet head gentli slope approach side road dog and you sipd boom dog left leg and mark bike leg driven side bike consider forc make perman mark plastic part bike and crack panel dog spin look back memori thi moment hazi turn and pick like hous apologet woman explain that dog not hurt cut mouth and hope not hurt feel pain shin and expect cool purpl welt form sadli not left tender shin and cool battl scar interestingli thing that never happen that bike never move not inconsider impact not push bike put bike control gut reaction sudden impact delai pain help didn feel sudden sharp pain that can rememb worri accid thi don prevent travel slower thi not necessarili unreason suggest for residenti area ride speed limit worri happen had car dog consol thought that insan bdi cager whip blind drivewai mph for that matter drivewai long for car hit mph end eagerli await comment ryan cousinetc yamaha vision black pig inver live ride kotrb aj king rat work dod squid afford bike flame ryan cousineau compdyn questor org vancouv canada live slmr hurt dammit jim doctor comput dynam bb hst vancouv canada easi access low rate friendli sysop
rec.motorcycles	cat and dog articl apr cbnewsj att jimb cbnewsj att jame bessett write articl hplsla ken hplsla ken snyder write heard dog breeder that chain bicycl and motorcycl produc high frequenc squeak that dog love chase breeder chase bmw squeaki bmw rider rai shea wound effect method unisql inc leah unisql rai utexa edu dai miss boon real bad dod team twinki hawk
rec.motorcycles	bike want advic purchas articl apr mit edu jburnsid mit edu jami burnsid write articl apr ncsu edu jrwater eo ncsu edu jack roger water write relet reader quit impress useful info thi newsgroup dod number busi ride thi count thought cat dod faq mailx hahahha jburnsid mit edu wait press return hei mon gui and gal chose word carefulli and even faq straight don holler bohica even mention dod number your sig can you soundli faqe notic that not faq care monk wait press return jack water dod don fear thief night that come afternoon asleep that worri
rec.motorcycles	flash apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write bike hazard light front and back turn signal flash sinc live and commut nyc number toll pai rout arriv toll booth switch hazard thisto warn motorist that will take longer second make transact take glove get monei coin changer pocket make transact put glove back take time averag cager take make transact pai toll notic that thi cager tend messag and anoth booth question thi good bad thing tend curiou rob castro email rdc cunixf columbia edu live for todai phone for todai you live dod nyc york york usa beleiv not state onc consid elimin toll for motor cycl base simpli fact that moto clog toll booth mario realiz foolish trade hundr year for relief traffic congest bad won that sumprem court justic job thought rid forev matt denni internet mmd wbst xerox xerox corpor rochest usa reach consensu group confus find answer norman maier
rec.motorcycles	guzzi tire fair question question tire for guzzi tire that bought and crack not owner manual for tire list hayn manual front rear and pressur recommend front and rear oddli pressur for tire list psi reason pressur run that recommend manufactur tire purchas real question thi tire that bike for front metzler tour special and for rear avon roadrunn mark each tire larger that list hayn manual owner manual recommend and common size for thi bike thi will motorcycl innertub comment manufactur tube qualiti size inch for addit mark current rear tire metric match local bmw dealer thought front and back happen good get close match mail order price think metzler laser possibl comp front and back mb varieti longer last belt system us vision and for front and and thought that shaft drive behavior and torqu guzzi that give predict back end control and slide behavior give tire milag life comment friend told thought that bike had boranni rim good rel soft and delic sidewal not mount tire thi time warn shop care comment make havn look rim check make mark told late yesterdai and havn had chanc check rim type anoth note will remov ugli good shape want vetter fair and will run windscreen for eventu simpl round cafe style quarter fair for fork handlebar mount suggest such thing frame mount quarter fair cafe style for thi bike lower bar clip on for restor bike into good condit runner modern updat not histor exactli accur reflect rel represent cafe style picki that period predat thi bike that thi bike such potenti for that edward walsh hewlett packard compani edw boi disk memori divis box bois idaho vision guzzi dod edward walsh hewlett packard compani edw boi disk memori divis box bois idaho vision guzzi dod
rec.motorcycles	sabbat and futur flame begin week sabbat minut six wonder week ride and phone email won check mail setup vacat agent can dial and newsfe dont outstand cfc such thing compuserv address compuserv weekdai ride send mail post think you stuck front your termin sheeyaahhh and monkei fly butt ride safe dave sens ain common dave warner opinion share ama hog dod employ dwarner sceng signatur file dwarner milo compuserv fxst stolen
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl clark bdrc clark bdrc richard clark write final trajectori bad didn notic car approach mph direct closeup view poor canin friend noggin careen front bumper smack asphalt and get runov front tire manag pretti good yelp impact peripher immin doom guess driver didn swerv into lane squeege pup and head back home haven sinc thing everydai dog chase bicycl owner thought cute even moto stupid dog thing dai come home opposit lane fluff teeth ran and plai momentum share dodg pick owner blame for drive street live wierd town beav mike beavington bellnorthernresearch ottawa ont canada dod seca seca seca suzuki seca turbo sabr gt can afford mbeav bnr park space don steenkin park space
rec.motorcycles	insur and lotsa point articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write cked for insur had dwi and for beemer rec vehicl cost almost buck insur year bikeless you drink and drive you pai smilei mike beavington mbeav bnr opinion and not compani
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write appar that last post hasi sinc call place and quot for and liabil palc will give for car liab bike for total ain bad won place call that fer nevertheless dwi ckin hope you brain mike beavington mbeav bnr opinion and not compani
rec.motorcycles	bike hors insect impac previou articl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher articl sda usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write peopl train for year jump hors feet equistrian poser wear velvet tail and useless helmet turn that hors bunch weeni fashion nerd and helmet suck wear shoei mountain bike helmet fuck perman injur oop late nah can walk unaid fast chanc mike
rec.motorcycles	splitfir spagthorp diesel articl djr new cso uiuc edu wcd uxa cso uiuc edu daniel warren write earlier read net splitfir plug gui think and almost shot hell that show team that us split fire addit insight and theori splitfir plug and boost opposs cage splitfir origin made burn fuel effici and increas power for cage for gui splitfir don thi and catch splitfir twin splitfir work provid unshroud spark combust chamber engin cylind head design can benefit thi splitfir will yield slight perform increas notic lower rpm rang torqu splitfir didn diddli squat for gmc pickup give notic perform boost harlei sportster and friend sportster folk evo motor can perform boost plain plug interest sinc xlh and big twin evo combust chamber pretti shape size two friend shovelhead harlei swear splitfir had shovelhead dual plug sinc respond dual plug make machin work and extra ignit system worth expens cool spark plug each side each head neal howard xlh dod computrac inc richardson doh neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaim opinion mine not computrac learn dream gentlemen and perhap learn truth august kekul
rec.motorcycles	definit two that logic you describ two transit period two and come rest high low side sound pretti good richard pierson vnet perhap refer wife and child sit sidecar moto heard game call oneup onedown drink game for you older folx andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	rim need articl apr new columbia edu twang cunixf columbia edu toni wang write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write articl apr walter bellcor pgouda gomer bellcor paul gouda write law that requir nyc street empti pothol greater depth bike hahahahahaahahha whahwuhuhahuah that good stop can breath bite your tongu ride nyc daili basi not live pothol ruin flavor not dodg taxi buse pedistrian bicycl messeng and bdi block block basi pothol make for that sudden random that make fun can you that you constantli test your panic brake shock and dirt ride abil citi street you smooth asphalt canyon carver don you miss laugh law part driven soho manahattan you talk bout not that durham bit dot take monei road tax and put pocket and into pocket gui build larg condo that road back into fix road hei local paper report thi last summer and boi glad don work for dot shat bigtim lost job idea andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	aerostitch piec articl apr vax cit cornel edu vax cit cornel edu write request for opinion piec aerostitch two piec aerostitch end get two size for top and bottom top and bottom for bottom waist larg thigh fit had waist cut circul leg larg muscular thigh and didn us thighmast jacket fit chest slightli snug waist and small arm can imagin find piec size that fit correctli even piec problem strang sinc pilot jacket fit great and match pant fit glove can assum model aero design design suit real folk even relat convieni you pretti damn wierd walk top and bottom run errand suspici and sweat lot store wear suit sinc you can fit top and bottom motorcycl storag devic devis trunk sidecar rig two piec unzip pant gener leav two piec zip togeth primarili pant fall pull cheesi elast belt type band real tight stuff spaciou bmw saddlebag pant fit and run errand wear jacket run errand wear pilot jacket that crash protect that suit equal that for weather protect piec jacket overlap pant inch piec comfort waist extra layer stuff not vote for two piec despit slightli odd fit find suit versatil piec ride cloth wouldn long distanc ken wallich wallich ncd ken wallich kmw org decwrl vixi amber ken ken wallich wallich ncd ken wallich kmw org decwrl vixi amber ken
rec.motorcycles	chang sprocket ratio honda karish gondwana stanford edu chuck karish write that twin cam yep chain year final stretch into replac zone honda don widest power band sigh clayton brook heart cbrook uki edu pot blue cbrook ukma bitnet lex grass and rutger uunet ukma cbrook bourbon countri ama nma maa am acbl dod
rec.motorcycles	bike advic ummm you bike that not suggest you for sinc horsepow and bit for you sincer nathaniel dod ama
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write complet tack eventu outcom babe bad mouth biker thought post thi last year women court wit two women that car and neighbor that heard shout lawyer didn odd sinc multipl complaint wai and judg had histori find guilti convinc lawyer drop net result laywer bill for and court cost for consol that had troubl scrape togeth not quit week beer monei for roid
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl qqxp cbmvax cbm commodor hartzler cbmvax cbm commodor jerri hartzler cat write duck squid don wave return wave even each excus for ignoramu edu breath riceburn brain roid
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl detail tip rub compound you mean meguir didn work dod magic elixir choic for plastic stuff ron miller dod
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock netter steve write cobra lock mother lock fridai april posses cobra link lock diamet thi special order weigh lot had carri home and dig into shoulder two block kryptonit rock lock front wheel padlock for steer lock master padlock lock cover two front spoke and cobra link rear swing arm and post underground park garag fridai appoint alarm instal bike travel cobra link and cover and padlock stai home remov plastic mesh that cobra link and encas lock end end bicycl tube two bicycl dealer that sold cobra link gui great and didn mark price lock and tube free fxstc rock roll mike mychalkiw hog ryerson polytechn institut dod thi side hell academ comput inform centr doh side email acad ryevm ryerson
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rec.motorcycles	dog bike dog will chase that move two dog and love chase ride will chase car that pass run footpath sidewalk kph don truck size differ factor work favour can exercis quit easili ride mile road and back time minyo rmit
rec.motorcycles	kawasaki engin need for kawasaki engin engin intak exhaust ignit etc prefer central texa area haven had luck can repli mail call you spare jonathan luski luski ccwf utexa edu turbo nice blown jeep wrangler for sale hollei bbl camaro spd
rec.motorcycles	forsal yamaha seca turbo don want thi monei for school thi snappi bike work and don monei for detail mile mitsubishi turbo not asthet beauti fast factori turbo bike not kit and ride fun thi bike ask offer bike can bennington vermont mail for info chri santac rpi edu
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rec.motorcycles	misc bui info need articl apr hamp hampshir edu jyaruss hamp hampshir edu write bui guid for us motorcycl that list reliabl bui process for etc cycl world put not object talk dealer and peopl that hang love give advic price guid for us motorcycl blue book bigger bank blue book includ moto for rv book articl ride cross countri motorcycl camp etc couldn you idiot guid motorcycl you read cliff weston dod seca tem femal bodi beauti work art male bodi lumpi and hairi and not light dai
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rec.motorcycles	mail order respons time articl oasi navi mil sturg oasi navi mil richard sturg write order time competit accesori and ussual dai deliveri onc had backord card two week dai order fork seal and guid bush for fzr two week fork seal and guid bush call and for remain guid bush and order slide bush explain phone bush gui understand two week guid bush sigh you wanna bet that onc part and fork apart that part won fit axel
rec.motorcycles	exhaust coat sinc person interest thi fzr black exhaust pipe rusti and research get repair yesterdai bought can vht degre black header paint and spent hour sand two header pipe hand sprai paint thought clean metal sand and determin that wouldn supris paint wore chip month soooo call coupl place minneapoli and discov that powder coat extrem durabl will not handl degre temperatur place talk experi powder that suppos handl degre that wouldn for month direct anoth shop that special header coat shop coat alumin that can degre and compar powder coat for durabl silicon base and can degre thinner and not durabl coat textur finish not super smooth and clean hot water and brush price for foot header pipe and foot collector plan part fridai and back up week wednesdai sound thi kind coat stuff paint abus pipe road crap rock axel
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl apr megatek randi megatek write perhap dwi lousiana confin liquor louisiana relat liquor eat sleep walk talk church state life death and food good rai shea wound effect method unisql inc leah unisql rai utexa edu dai miss boon real bad dod team twinki hawk
rec.motorcycles	question articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write articl ldinn frigat ci ohio state edu field ci ohio state edu jonathan david field write thi stupid question motorcycl scene don dod thi setup lookit site arni skurow want faq
rec.motorcycles	counterst san hand articl gbnvgw quantum qnx dagibb quantum qnx david gibb write even steer hand you quit similar counterst basic turn left you quick wiggl bike caus counteract lean occur left thi sound suspici black magic quick wiggl you mean that handlebar turn turn left input steer mechan that make thi happen absenc shove shove david karr karr cornel edu bmw dod bmwmoa nra aclu
rec.motorcycles	batteri charger articl netnew upenn edu sanjai kin lap upenn edu sanjai sinha write notic that halogen tabl lamp run volt big thinngi that plug into wall volt question can trickl charg batteri you consider cheaper spend trickl charger mart ventur target replac halogen lamp power suppli you fuse pump current into batteri charg charger put volt jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	dual sport recomend bui dual sport type motorcycl thi cycl interest experi peopl motorcycl good bad honda suzuki suzuki yamaha xxx yyi articl magazin pit honda anoth cycl and come shine safe assum that equal qualiti joe
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write articl mavenri altcit eskimo maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write wave biker make sens hei nice meet you road good ride you habit watch carefulli for bike you cage thi good thing drive cage wave biker urg never had peopl cage wave give thumb occass return wave thumb that never happen start ride harlei that not wave bad happen russian roulett fun time paul blumstein paulb harlei tti dod abat ama hog doh laa marc arrl platypu qrp arpci naswa lwca rcma cala transact technolog inc santa monica
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc articl lnr agat berkelei edu robinson cogsci berkelei edu michael robinson write articl apr adob cjackson adob curti jackson write articl srgenprp frankb sad frank ball write honda design engin street bike for for twin honda hawk twin not call technolog yeah and honda twin direct cycl experiment thi mechan lamb honda cbr allen tobia technic email convex comput corp market tobia convex waterview parkwai richardson thi bike awesom and fearless jai gleason
rec.motorcycles	krypto cabl cobra lock articl csundh ursa csundh ursa calvin edu charl sundheim write follow had bad experi krypto lock last year bought krypto cabl long that that standard decent piec us short cabl pretti useless guess larger cabl unit larger cabl inch diamet larger feet long coil into inch coil tubular kei lock lock work fine for for two year and that secur doesn weak that lock liquid nitrogen trick supposedli easier store tankbag lock and versatil mine mail order hous motorcycl accessori warehous beleiv for combin ignit disabl and coupl deterr worri vandal randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl stafford stafford winona msu edu stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford write articl wr wslack wr wslack bill slack wrote folk shaft doesn diddleysquatpoop can front wheel ground ferchrissak statement true spirit list fals statement misinform that spirit bill will wheeli chain drive model john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli knew post that into troubl suppos give wheeli demo spring fling you john chain drive model camshaft and rocker arm stolen earli spagthorp design urban legend bill wr gozer bill slack dod tear shed vain and word lost rumbl engin and smoke exhaust
rec.motorcycles	want bmw insu tip market for bui bmw ideal interest for sale ag not problem interest good exampl massiv amount mile and maintain intend and for time sound advic regard insur licenc for year accid claim convict bmw owner club insur will wait year ian futur beemer owner
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl dsc rwert bob wert write advic ride pillion ninja thi will time for extend ride read farther block ride twisti fairli bumpi road mine road hamilton loop for you bai arean extend ride passeng ninja owww hate wet sock passeng bike for longest time start ride myelf and grew hate long ride sport bike passeng seat not design for long ride passeng posit aren even design for short ride end tortur knee and back take long ride passeng sport bike reason origin like current guythingi becas had bmw suggest shorter extend ride short turn mountain such pain and proce advic give begin passeng don bike rider and work sort signal for rider you bike squeez rider hip that readi and stop nod head show for your feet peg time don wiggl your rider ask you passeng unobtrus echo movement and lean your rider shoulder that comfort turn shoulder insid turn us your rider shift style rider us consist shift style avoid helmet bonk helmet bonk your rider rev bike and shift and sudden chang foreward acceler your helmet bonk get real fast pull stop put hand hand tank your weight push your rider tank put your hand tank good stretch your back you pain told get harder steer turn you leav switch your hand guardrail stretch your shoulder and squeez your thigh you your rider you guard rail isn safe hold your rider don afraid for frequent stop you pain lose feel your feet passeng seat not gener design for comfort work sort pull signal laura lemai lemai netcom writer trifl shadow and blood
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl articl mdenni beryllium mdenni xerox matt denni write netnew upenn edu sanjai kin lap upenn edu sanjai sinha write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write curti jackson pen msf shyah cost izzat deal free philadelphia pai for cheapi msf deal your state subsid for erc and for msf and state doesn subsid our for motorcycl endors licens laz
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl zowi apr daedalu stanford edu zowi daedalu stanford edu craig powderkeg deforest write turn dynam sit that you feel you sit upright good advic sudden move ladi tap shoulder uncomfort turn prepar for move back bike trust essenti had bad crash nail rear tire left hand sweeper crest hill pavement pea gravel road and action help lessen sever crash stai upright saddl feet peg and hand waist bike slow mph high side fair case road rash and had doc remov lot rock knee had panick crash greater speed caus greater injuri btw tire flat into violent tank slapper thi rode normal ride postur dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write wave gui ride mower thi morn that count btw live countri wave dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli previou articl xlyx vax cit cornel edu wheeli motorcycl shaft drive absolut earli good thi mike terri virago don your virago you purti good smell explod clutch fast chanc mike
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist articl apr hsh binger hsh write articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write question danger ride add two thing stupid road design poor and louisiana state sign caution sub standard roadwai dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	squid riceburn respect dana myer tue apr gmt wibbl articl qqxp cbmvax cbm commodor hartzler cbmvax cbm commodor jerri hartzler cat write articl apr icomsim mman icomsim michael man write duck squid don wave return wave even each excus for ignoramu squid and you chri behanna squid dana myer bmw squid two arm longer nick biker dod concis oxford longer arm lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	paint job lisa rowland wed apr wibbl can recommend good place for price bike paint job prefer not essenti london area lisa rowland alex technolog hous uxbridg road tel eal fax london email lisa alex lisa pip wonder thing paint work and good luck nick connect biker dod concis oxford bore paint job lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	happi easter dave edmondson wed apr gmt wibbl nick pettefar npet bnr wrote kevinh tue apr gmt wibbl jonathan quist bemoan minor blasphemi that compani like jaguar sob lotu outright sacrileg for british ownership fundament thing lotu set for manag buyout weren happi that elan late and pricei can write elan develop cost sell for sensibl price legal claus name own british compani owner can sell compani not name kevinh hasler ascom don that seper compani aero engin compani vicker roll royc car and kevin post morgan us slide pillar front suspens bike long bleed last will that pettefar bloke mail address can bung ogri list dave david edmondson david dc qmw queen mari westfield colleg dod guzzi man thi mean end hors drawn zeppelin you mean bleedin signatur nick connect biker dod concis oxford mail address lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	insur discount articl apr organpip uug arizona edu asphaug lpl arizona edu erik asphaug write move bai area insur bike and regist eas shock can guesstim cost insur and tucson cost full and liabil for two per annum agent daniel sui and quit good job for you check locat san francisco and special bike insur daniel sui insur balboa street san francisco michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike articl apr isc jeq lachman jonathan quist write freebi and bean great chase scene trial bike dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	max handl request articl tcora gator pica armi mil tcora pica armi mil tom coradeschi write jearl tekig pen tek jeffrei david earl wrote ntuvax ntu write can handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl gui omrra race school last weekend number plate max didn practic lap push frame hard and drove into guard rail back straight btw rider consciou and semi coher ambul cart that hate pick injur hope not semi coher sound good descript show track vmax place that make for show interceptor wors brake and handl due bent frame vmax and didn even semi coher ambul nevermind axel
rec.motorcycles	part info for maicoletta scooter articl uea slack sim pashdown slack sim pete ashdown write for brake info relin exist shoe vintag brake bluefield av newburi park relin type obsolet motorcycl brake shoe ferodo materi maicoletta owner anywher contact place deutsch motorrad regist grover place shreveport club for type two wheel german equip includ scooter period ad for maico scooter stuff newslett dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr vax cit cornel edu xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive front wheel us lever handlebar accomplish thi michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	mainten tip articl riwa world std cgkarra world std christoph karra write read servic manual for bike suzuki coupl question hope you can answer check oil level dip stick built into oil fill cap check cap screw not bike that us dipstick sight glass design check screw manual for cbr specif state thi michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	exhaust coat articl coburnn spot colorado edu coburnn spot colorado edu nichola coburn write essbaum rchland vnet ibm alexand essbaum write fzr black exhaust pipe rusti and research get repair yesterdai bought can vht degre black header paint and spent hour sand two header pipe hand sprai paint thought clean metal sand and determin that wouldn supris paint wore chip month part delet axel axel not purchas fyex exhaust bra for great and cheaper powder coat had dilemma and opt for quit pleas exhaust bra guess not fabric thing that strap pipe chin fair lower don ride lower plastic axel
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list bmw mail list sinc bike list and limit bike decid give thi and interest read thi post you plan subscrib list restrict for discuss thi list that bmw don care bmw and will post articl that local bmw club newslett and incourag club member tech articl subscrib list send messag list address bmw rider cactu org word subscrib cap subject messag word subscrib subject subscrib you put keyword messag bodi your messag will list and you will ridicul belief your line valid return address list will us address your line you us return address contain your line not send mail list send note directli joe rider cactu org and care manual list will hack outgo messag line that your origin full name preserv return address replac mail list address bmw rider cactu org thi you simpli repli messag list depend your mail interfac natch us elm that wrote for thi mind you repli messag and question author parentag remov your name list send messag list address word unsubscrib cap subject messag word unsubscrib subject remov your name list you put keyword messag bodi your messag will list and you will ridicul belief list run home system poor box run version that smell somewhat unix mta isn smartest manag hack make decent list mta addit and remov handl automat script that intercept messag base subject below and occassion goof will send respons messag back you subscrib you not receiv respons reason amount time link and sometim run spurt send messag joe rider cactu org and into list turn popular and mta grok number address freez list recipi can come mta good luck joe senner joe rider cactu org joe mpd tandem bmw mail list bmw rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	person michael moscoso michael you your inquiri bmw mail list replac your return addr list addr can repli manual add you post list contact directli joe senner joe rider cactu org bmw mail list bmw rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	never valv adjust bought yamaha mile last year put commut mile onnit valv adjust interv supposs check pad clearenc and never chang clearanc get smaller make sens pad system pad wear clearanc great that thread adjust can tighten didn kind bottom line that haven touch valv for thi bike and nice and quiet and clearanc tighter deal yam tripl owner notic extrem long valv adjust interv
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl mdenni beryllium mdenni xerox matt denni write apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write articl apr ttinew tti paulb harlei tti paul blumstein write had peopl cage wave give thumb occass return wave thumb that never happen start ride harlei that notic kid wave biker reaction boi enthusiast wave and good wave kid that notic bike figur help futur sport yeah imposs tough biker year start wave you beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk
rec.motorcycles	test ride gt articl finnqsp spim mti sgi timl zulu mti sgi tim layman write sign will bui bike wreck and will not sue you matter paper point bike and fun nervou lot nervou expens bike and hate bui alon wreck you harlei disclaim you crash care bike you care you you respons for bike your insur cover green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl beryllium mdenni xerox matt denni write genet thing boi even and year boi magnet attract motorcycl virtaulli sort dismai thier mother you answer your question green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	want bmw insu tip benham wed apr gmt wibbl market for bui bmw ideal interest for sale ag not problem interest good exampl massiv amount mile and maintain intend and for time sound advic regard insur licenc for year accid claim convict bmw owner club insur will wait year ian futur beemer owner advic contact local dealer yellow page motorcycl dealer and for address local section bmw owner club local bmw dealer will give you detail bmw insur term and club will you detail get bike dealer bet you can afford warranti fairli handi bit made solid gold apart part made rubi and platinum appar nick perpetu broke bmw biker dod concis oxford loot lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	bike honda ascot nbetz csi compuserv nathan betz write bui bike and honda ascot mile thi sound reason choic special ascot bike recommend interest mine for sale bum starter and mile coupl hundr for rich
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl lmsc lmsc lockhe write thread degener compar cost msf cours delet hei even highest price mention glassboro jersei bargain worth penni and lot thing you relat your bike that won feel that patricia phj remu rutger edu
rec.motorcycles	bmw heat grip articl world std artc world std art campbel write bergman panix mark bergman write you bmw heat handgrip summer you wisegui mean comfort hard rubber compound wear kind glove fingerless hottest dai two factor not cushi need heat grip made piec bicycl tube and cheap electr heat pad drugstor top foam grip soft and warm cheaper factor david karr karr cornel edu
rec.motorcycles	death stroke die zebe wattl itd adelaid edu zebe johnston write load horrend engin problem delet idea folk yeah bui stroke
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust articl ebt cmptrc lonestar org neal cmptrc lonestar org neal howard wrote hei lone biker apocalyps rais arizona had flame come exhaust pipe love toggl kill switch sportster produc flame backfir underneath overpass night loud and light underpass peopl ass back canon fire roll back harlei yea rais hell baffl john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	post gif bmw articl apr new columbia edu sc cunixb columbia edu sebastian sear wrote and plai columbia scanner and scan bunch pictur bmw not color greyscal gif mind post euro archiv directori specif for bmw ftp vax winona msu edu user euro pass spoog bmw and put you john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	drink and ride hartzler cbmvax cbm commodor jerri hartzler cat write articl apr aber azw aber andi woodward write gener find that two decent hit nitrou ride improv enorm drink silli your breath smell cost lot monei and pig can detect machin work for and free sit car jam and breath deepli dentist car you back think you got your gase confus come car carbon monoxid come whippit nitrou oxid
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit year and half ago start ride msf lesson heart past year had collis traffic moron wheel yesterdai add anoth list thi felt helpless sit light car length car wise decsion suddenli hear screech tire dart ey mirror and realiz moroon fly panic pop clutch and stall bike luckili gui stop foot rear wheel understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest
rec.motorcycles	your advic rider articl apr bsu uc cjmelch leo bsuvc bsu edu write tachomet sticker that for mile not rpm and for mile don refer break period you didn that never mph even gear question will hurt cycl rpm rang that can speed limit you can speed limit rpm you find road mph speed limit thi isn quit silli sound you nice dai trip back road not highwai full peopl you hold mph comfort you easili mile weekend you even enjoi sceneri thi not you bought call ninja david karr karr cornel edu bmw dod bmwmoa nra aclu
rec.motorcycles	not permen scratch mj sy uea mike sixsmith write bobm brimston bob morlei write articl sfppisk hpo andrew cmu edu catherin barbara saum andrew cmu edu write passnger fianc bandit hip pack rub tail and left nasti dull finish and teeni scratch rid buff wax mcguyer make full line polish compound and wax read labl and pick that match mark that you paint you and your fianc favor put nice thick coat carnuba wax bike that scratch will buff concour sophist ladi tom dietrich sportster sport for sale dod spike garag rat ama queu for fssnoc two joust and gather big fun kspt bell cool rule sometim mail txd mkt lewi disclaim take respons for opinion preced thi
rec.motorcycles	bui bike etc articl inform dev inform michael seal write articl apr galaxi gov bclark galaxi gov write lot post wanna bui bike gsxr cbr fzr good bike learn etc can bui gsxr gsxr cbr cbr fzr fzr zxr problem small agil learner bike problem that you can bui bike north america gsxr bandit bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	think motorcycl tour zealand novemb januari timefram tour compani thi notabl beach tour can thi experi good and bad bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk articl apr new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write you decid that windi ride easi you drag your peg drive straight line driven mph side wind difficulti beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk
rec.motorcycles	contempl ottawa san francisco ottawa trip articl lbpv quantum qnx david gibb dagibb quantum qnx write rec motorcyclist come labour dai weekend thi year worldcon world scienc fiction convent will held san francisco california plan attend and specul trip motorcycl plane initi thought live and depart ottawa ontario canada had plan two week for thi trip give dai travel time side weekend thi distanc mile your distanc calc correct for road distanc and not crow fli thi dai for dai you spend entir time interst total wast time that hour road dai not includ eat pee sight etc contempl similar trip ottawa ottawa austin figur wanna trip thi magnitud and enjoi ass major interst and spend lot time enjoi countri stop camera meet town peopl bar sens spend week helmet closest human contact found ga pump estim week make trip worthwhil for input opinion comment snarki remark saniti question suggest rout note get import and schedul doesn leav lot room for side trip circuit rout and stai interst join thi trip for even part distanc depend your rout and plan head that detroit that come mind and that you relev call whithors pess book distribut cater motorcyclist larg number book highlight road for motorcyclist gener rout you carri list bed and breakfast state accept motorcyclist order free catalog and you find book cover absolut you for thi trip motorcyclist and cycl world classifi for input david gibb dagibb qnx kawasaki concour dod dave true that monei talk mine spoke bui drink
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk articl new columbia edu rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write you decid that windi ride windi stand you road high wind stai alert even alert your alert you motorcycl and kill you kind alert awar terrain and funnel wind sudden gust not gust stand gusti you ride you ride steadi crosswind awar hill that will block wind and adjust your lean angl awar pass truck your windward side your lean angl will chang dramat you enter and you leav turbul cone reduc your profil lean ga tank and kiss tripl clamp nimbl hand steer readi counterst into and sudden wind burst larger usual buffer zone ahead and and side you can easili blown half lane you can react counterst close ey traffic your mirror come want pass earli stop for short brake extens ride high wind mental and physic fatigu green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
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rec.motorcycles	start troubl cbr articl rpi edu chungi aix rpi edu yau felix chung write troubl start keep run cbr had problem sinc last year subsid back problem persist choke usag pattern gasolin type brand octan and pretti can imagin chang dealer stump warranti start bike run great for second engin start slow decreas idl set will increas engin speed increas choke increas engin speed engin will eventu slow and stop onc stop will not restart even flood engin drill sit minut start beautifulli and run great for ride hard for mile and bring back ride easi for mile cool and put dai drill idea thi anoth rider had similiar problem and thi mail hope thi help resolv you problem allen tobia write check vent tube tank sometim tube clog constrict thi prevent ga flow into carb vacuum creat displac gasolin thi small tube bottom tank larg tube overflow you will remov left side tail section access thi area good luck clog wouldn thi interfer engin oper time run run good point not catch thi origin post thing come mind sinc thi graviti feed fuel system thi fuel petcock valv vacuum control carbur suppos small hole bad seal hose vacuum valv fuel petcock cold hole open open valv ga carb choke sinc choke creat low pressur carb draw ga and engin and surround area warm hole seal check fuel flow valv pull side panel and remov fuel hose carb connect tube correct size prefer clear tube observ fuel flow output side fuel petcock remov control hose carbur make tank full place valv posit and appli vacuum control hose prefer vacuum devic gaug check for air leak vacuum appli fuel flow freeli vent problem thi fuel filler cap open and close flow lot faster filler cap open vent airwai posit and depend posit clog partial clog vent heard fuel tank replac fix thi problem thing defect control hose carb petcock valv and possibl fuel tank vent show problem fuel flow cold carb screw thing check type dai list back togeth appli vacuum petcock valv and open drain hole carb check fuel flow open airbox and check for foreign debri clog airwai carb quit each carb hope flush thi troubl shoot american honda not resolv thi mad hell and report bbb and call honda custom servic hotlin number don recal top head call tire for and dai custom satisfact inquiri card arriv home ask like support receiv your chanc you bui servic manual invalu sourc inform for work your bike and add troubl shoot
rec.motorcycles	bike jlevin hydro jodi levin write bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada you syd meant wrote that line damn wrong newsgroup wrong newsgroup syd mean wrote that line erc curiou dod
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rec.motorcycles	never valv adjust smead hpstc rose steve smead write bought yamaha mile last year put commut mile onnit valv adjust interv supposs check pad clearenc and never chang clearanc get smaller make sens pad system pad wear clearanc great that thread adjust can tighten didn kind bottom line that haven touch valv for thi bike and nice and quiet and clearanc tighter deal yam tripl owner notic extrem long valv adjust interv yeah had that valv seat tend wear slowli and that pad shouldn wear will tend compens sort compens system
rec.motorcycles	dog bike articl rmccu cunyvm bitnet rmccu cunyvm bitnet robert chamber write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant you can you wait long not put effort into dog not us fart time make notic smell doesn bother and kick somewhat liter realiz that shoudln not and two year doesn big thi dog size cow readi burst that suppos mean lb understand english wind break fed cheap food and not thing time had adjust each brand for andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	cold pli hoc agat berkelei edu robinson cogsci berkelei edu michael robinson write articl apr aber azw aber andi woodward write dai larg group lament admir and macho british stud grown idol and thought yank parochi ostrich you can aspir thing andi you straight yank satisfi git canadian that parochi ostrich yank midwai insipid invas florida and aren even awar jorg klinger gsxr you arch eng servic lost horizon umanitoba man embalm anonym squidonk
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr asl nec drinck tssc wlg nec write peopl act smug chain final drive effici and higher mainten and didn answer start thread you and chang law physic number us bandi shaft drive order effici chain drive closer that thi make chain drive effici hmmmmm and grant shaft lot mainten fine you don mind perform randi davi email randi megatek pilot uunet ucsd megatek randi dod thi eleven nigel tufnel spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl wduw nmrdc nmrdc nnmc navi mil dsc jf nmrdc nmrdc nnmc navi mil jim small write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write sinc occur paid dollar renumer drunk class and listen righteou asshol that your rest world you never had your suare aren that fuck stupid you cock suck asshol that haven had suare soo impress that you had spend your preciou dollar make for your stupid act fuck friend kill drunk drive asshol andress infant children friend orphan drunk drive asshol infant righteou asshol you weak will fuck head you small feebl mind bunghol yeah stupid act peopl you gonna thick excus for skull pea size piec shit call brain that onc don you back rock that navi provid for you and your homophob racist sexist asshol friend that give you daili rim job and place your opinion belong your ass altern blow you closet wannab andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	your advic rider articl apr bsu uc cjmelch leo bsuvc bsu edu write that never mph even gear question will hurt cycl rpm rang that can speed limit had inconveni bought mph initi break despit high qualiti motor oil and motorcycl engin dai follow instruct and citi street ride for mile heck mile fast and worth you haven possibl screw your engin time thi make week long thread debat break topic alan
rec.motorcycles	your advic rider articl apr bsu uc cjmelch leo bsuvc bsu edu write import question that haven find answer ask mechan and thi can give answer that satisfi bought brand kawasaki ninja time buyer time rider and thi bike satisfi thi reason don answer thi question tachomet sticker that for mile not rpm and for mile don refer break period you didn that never mph even gear question will hurt cycl rpm rang that can speed limit inform that you give greatli appreci send repli account you back net you for take time read repli thi chri melch speed limit long your not salt flat you arn gonna frag yer ride wouldn ride dod minimum had mile hell that good weekend dod technician speed not student stolen taglin hei you don naahh
rec.motorcycles	dog speedi mercer speedi engr latech edu wrote fido yer left arm bite bring your forearm hard back neck bush back and left arm fido mouth thi will dull crack and limp dog total cost you coupl hole your left arm you arn wear leather aerostitch hold thi procedur order mine mondai and happi mike mike mitten gnome org emori org gnome ama dod ironi spice life bianchi backstreet suzuki revolut will not televis
rec.motorcycles	counterst san hand steer hand aren bar open budweis david gibb repli case origin poster for answer suppli even steer hand you quit similar counterst basic turn left you quick wiggl bike caus counteract lean guess semi hand lean and bike turn lean torqu appli deg angl front wheel axl counterst thi torqu deg axi steer head make bike lean gyroscop effect make bar turn don rememb rick yeah thi drivewai centestand suggest doesn work rick clark clark bdrc ama
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write flame tutori for novic anoth thing that mexican food lot folk mistak heat for qualiti subtl refer person qualiti habit ancestri posses gener earn point letter word cap lock kei and introduc polysyllab word strabism for exampl like insur that small part your flame will becom immort zound blast past forgotten strateg signific strabism lore good proudli displai that carb spoog rama long disus gosh tingl chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	low power bike scooter share opinion that big citi traffic bike can low power that for exampl acceler troubl screw version bike sold german market class liscenc make lot middl ag men putt putt maschin that constantl get real traffic opinion thi topic snuffi email snuffi zelat berlin ronald bartl ron for work berlin voic rent room fax
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl menudo edu ind rosi edu write understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest even strategi leav buffer you and car front manuv bike gear clutch handl squeez that for engag disengag two car stop you bdi cager come screach simpli ride side car front you you don panic and you will pop clutch and stall engin smoothli rapidli cage front you will provid protect empti road green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack work for lean dog modul throttl ankl ahead teeth second warm pipe firmli wedg shoulder turn face sidewai warm and mouth nose muzzl burn pipe yip and veer never chase neil kirbi dod nak archi cbusa att bell lab columbu usa you speak for you lawyer sens
rec.motorcycles	want polic offic answer post articl shaman tek robd orca tek write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write you expect cop answer honestli you gotta expect cop honest that anoth stori yeah cop lie and peopl deal dai and dai truth sir occif sir wazznut drink tonight plai back sir wasn speed reali xxmph that gui didn come stereotyp cop that stereo type show open mind for ourselv stretch worth reason for that cop wouldn peopl break law you part honesti joke sorta peopl had bad experi cop ly perfect and tell truth you god andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	daytona rtaraz apr bigwpi wpi edu rtaraz bigwpi wpi edu ramin taraz write watch daytona race tnn boi for peopl yamaha lot faster kawi last stretch yami and left kawi dust kawi rider and totali disappoint kawi lawson yamaha not take russel jorg klinger gsxr you arch eng servic lost horizon umanitoba man embalm anonym squidonk
rec.motorcycles	cold articl ccu umanitoba klinger ccu umanitoba jorg klinger write pli hoc agat berkelei edu robinson cogsci berkelei edu michael robinson write andi you straight yank satisfi git canadian that parochi ostrich yank midwai insipid invas florida and aren even awar typic attempt foriegn polici adventur and even notic canadian can even make balkan bore michael robinson ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson cogsci berkelei edu
rec.motorcycles	lock and secur yamaha lock thi not pet peev playmat peev articl uxrp new ci umn edu wfk lynx spa umn edu bill ketzeback write lock includ kyptonit utyp easi break into person proper suppli and motiv minut and your bike glad explain dont want contribut unlaw activ thi make skeptic alarm offens bill don mean that you not straight you thi you us your secret method break kind bike lock you take word for fact that read into success bike steal busi read rec motorcycl you talk can even protect assault discuss method you don come heard pipe and liquid nitrogen and cordless dremel tool and bunch plausabl method not bike thief don for put rod each wheel and us gui lift bike into truck thi work peopl don lock bike sinc that method childishli easi figur nice visibl chain cabl lock bike like make lazi thief bike hei final advantag weight and high concour sinc bike that hate rip such trival tactic warn lock alon safe deter theft thief doesnt locksmith lock picker walk your properti person motion alarm combin lock thi type fact you that concern tactic you refer don you talk can guard can for monei liter reli combin motion detector alarm pager earshot bike question area insur and park obviou visibl area lot peopl plai bike intent steal ey and rambuncti set alarm that for nice bike for ratbik trick actual below blue book that crappi want steal and even stupid you make profit deal for instanc busi trip for week and sadli leav bike sit shitti useabl cover lock and bike lock each and curb bumper park lot light rig cabl lock us aircraft cabl that pull bike cabl join concour alarm and friend come bui dai and make thing had stolen cover and that winter storag batteri bike and alarm put your eyelet into cover for lock pass and place that absolut destroi cover that that can lock peopl put bike not mechan sound abu sinc person remov master lock locker boot dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl menudo edu ind rosi edu wrote bdc driver ram back innoc biker understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest glad hear that bozo manag stop ride for two year rule for traffic light surviv never stop hill car stop such locat pull almost complet car front car front turn bike somewhat sidewai across lane increas visibl oncom vehicl make your taillight visibl traffic note bike bright white turn sidewai black bike not benefici flat road stop bit room ahead two bike length thi will hopefulli give room pull forward and side car approach you last line vehicl watch your mirror constantli you vehicl approach and can evid that slow flicker your brake light last vehicl line will pull and releas brake car approach notic car watch mirror vari speed flicker hope make cager notic that lane ahead that situat you line that feel defenseless you line your forward escap rout limit you can move forward extent that you don enter intersect leav room stop line light activ stop line and watch mirror decid that hop bike thi situat idea for line traffic directli you rob rob griffith erasur shonala wildswan judybat rem smith robg appl faa certifi cloud basher wanna drive zamboni
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each bike wave sort small town wide open space type thing that louisiana mention arkansa helena kid fun gender watch cliff cage wave biker don wave back wife think strang don care jim bessett jame bessett att
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl cbnew att nak cbnew att neil kirbi wrote work for lean dog modul throttl ankl ahead teeth second warm pipe firmli wedg shoulder turn face sidewai warm and mouth nose muzzl burn pipe yip and veer never chase nice ridin tex us california dmv recommend techniqu slow you aproach dog and wick you pass contempl put boot dog muzzl open throttl never that figgur impact unbal and dump bike bicycl techniqu emploi us frame mount tire pump fend dog attack occas attack pack dog onc peddal steep hill lost sock blood complain local anim control depart complain owner dog affect dog dog attack telephon work tire pump eric bong dod fzr vfr
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk articl apr new columbia edu rob castro write you decid that windi ride isn that evid thing you decid that you ga never experienc wind sever physic preclud oper motorcycl matter decid whether aggrav troubl worth thi depend your circumst and person disposit michael robinson ucbvax cogsci robinson internet robinson cogsci berkelei edu
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl ltdv ainn earth utexa edu mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir write articl oav vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write and you will moder amount flamag for express opinion matter opinion will flame you for hei hell you mean that you suck god express opinion carri gun and not wear helmet goddamn you stand for stupid give scale not mention hitler koresh weigh your favor you neglect mention mph tenni ball girl and counterst anoth thing centerstand weasel squeezer chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl bong kfp slac mac slac stanford edu bong slac stanford edu eric bong write nice ridin tex us california dmv recommend techniqu slow you aproach dog and wick you pass thi standard strategi that taught cuz that told illinoi msf class work you don satisfact kick shit rabid hell beast alan
rec.motorcycles	kawi partial engin disassembl kawasaki millimetr plai gearchang pedal axl word can move axl sidewai and for millimetr each direct thi doesn bother ride guess fix wouldn hurt last summer bike shop valv adjust and mechan mention that easi job remov front sprocket cover and replac bush seal that find closer inspect discov that gearchang axl doesn even run sprocket cover that addit remov cover remov sprocket and cover that sprocket question remov thi small cover left side engin enabl lai hand that bush seal don exact term english question thi disassembl job for thi purpos oil for exampl stai insid engin teppo nieminen dod zoo helsinki finland
rec.motorcycles	gasolin stop ride year ago upgrad sabr park corner park lot and plan drain ga sprai oil tank etc readi store lot procrastin end throw tarp move and want clean start batteri and had luck guess that ga and plan drain and replac ga can prai that didn trash carbeur question thi ga not run sabr and that that don want burn campu polic don kindli bonfir dump isn great idea for idea georg heinz win question thi code fair compil int main for for time for printf
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion rwert bob wert write tradit signal for slow faster hafta pee etc experi pound fist your back mean slow concentr smooth and you will make experi enjoy even normal upshift your passeng bob eas throttl pull clutch elimin thi work your passeng will found that rear brake normal help bike dive routin stop make easier for passeng hang you sport ride passeng reach you and brace tank you don bear your weight your arm your bike will dive paul thompson appl comput
rec.motorcycles	want polic offic answer post vike iastat edu dan sorenson write and cop heh attitud stop speak gui reciev verbal warn for mph laugh hei dan potenti cool stori stuff share detail never break don enlighten and enliven and live vicari waitin for that stori erc grandrapid usa vfr dod
rec.motorcycles	dod confession articl apr bnr mbeav bnr write hate pre motorcycl thought phase us didn happen gaze and custom that pretti hard sinc custom weren introduc you find pre hold will worth big buck dai everytim read sig contain spoke wheel shudder and feel piti that poor soul suffer mine comstar wheel methink you your homework employ idea talk and you keith schauer texa instrument plain texa custom dod insan societi sane man insan ama compani disavow knowledg action
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write articl unisql rai unisql rai shea write louisiana relat liquor eat sleep walk talk church state life death and dare you make such accus accus thought recommend mean grow oughta wern busi unload beer truck for week end come that and talk wit you bring truck and pound crawfish and talk rai shea unisql inc unisql rai utexa edu dod team twinki hawk
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl oav vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write and you will moder amount flamag for express opinion matter opinion will flame you for bill you full shit that stupidest thing heard obmoto happen miss discuss deltabox frame need work last week care repeat sinc gui ask and ignor you email rai shea unisql inc unisql rai utexa edu dod team twinki hawk
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl ltdv ainn earth utexa edu mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir write hei hell you mean that you suck god express opinion carri gun and not wear helmet goddamn you stand for stupid give scale not mention hitler koresh weigh your favor you neglect mention mph tenni ball girl and counterst anoth thing that mexican food lot folk mistak heat for qualiti subtl refer person qualiti habit ancestri posses gener earn point letter word cap lock kei and introduc polysyllab word strabism for exampl like insur that small part your flame will becom immort blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd mon overreact worth coupl point not mention bit condemn everth flame sequitur gun and helmet proper flourish person opinion that two type good flame trade qualiti sens you mention for heat thi surpris and correctli contend entertain true that flame post not mention habitu veloc friend dinner entertain flair and short weak thi type flame that can easili point becom trite and bore wit infant thread recent type flame you glorifi weak place can verbos and tediou extrem reader not strongli identifi side second discuss person qualiti habit and can quickli becom libel that slander can never rememb differ thi lead prolifer lawyer wide regard bad thing final introduc polysyllab word problemat can haul big dic bike and bad form us word turn mean ran counter us and flamag gener summari blain your score for that flame incorrect wunder flame weak you point not necessarili weak and your suggest correct not applic you couldn outrun tenni ball flatul dog stapl your posterior and bet you and your motorcycl lean turn for you tommi mcguir mcguir utexa edu mcguir austin ibm will append disclaim outgo public inform identifi person and independ ibm
rec.motorcycles	rider join group ride group gener speak peopl mind anoth rider tag had distinct feel not tag group last weekend jon fault car headlight glare
rec.motorcycles	dog articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl adob cjackson adob curti jackson write articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag agre thi for chihuahua polic and militari don train doberman and shephard and us weapon easi for averag joe defeat barehand you oppos thumb dog teeth effect name for vision hear and smell you and like faster reflex you motorcycl paw roll and blow doesn even net access bull pucki us dog peopl scare shitless and nose and vision and hear cop partner attend dog meat hand human bad attitud and ittl train violent forc hors puckei cop partner attend like control us forc kill dog teeth aren good arm shove into back anim throat and held and neck not you disabl dog mouth and us your arm bout front and read paw and fact that plug that mouth you dog advantag balanc espcial strong leg joint can easili snap skull easili crush even largest dog you snap leg crush skull dog us harden instrument such basebal bat us arm and full cooper beasti involv not that easi wait you your arm shove dog mouth you lose your advic correct dog match for train human fight you qualifi you earlier statement train human sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag peopl not train deal dog that maul you clue regard charl span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person steve mansfield told miracl for each dai that smm uunet net told love that born for each that di suzuki told call feel alon dod and afraid told you dream world you find swim lake fire dream theater metropoli part miracl and sleeper
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl mellon apr pepper ncd mellon ncd ted lemon write long ride girlfriend nanci notic drift swore take passeng ten year ago recal sturgi get strang passeng read book engross that didn even notic hit roadkil make hit dai rider john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	bike honda ascot articl csi compuserv nbetz csi compuserv nathan betz write folk bui bike and honda ascot mile thi sound reason choic special nathan nice litl bike love ride brother law dod technician speed not student stolen taglin god real declar integ delet your file black hole god divid world will end minut log earth full delet you can
rec.motorcycles	krypto cabl cobra lock follow had bad experi krypto lock last year bought krypto cabl long that that standard decent piec us us for secur purpos us for entertain mind gutter that sat fiddl watch night minut mindless fiddl mindless rememb watch entir tumbler mechan kei not unlik that georgi porgi nurseri rhyme thi left empti cylind and secur read swingin breez cabl lock kinda make flat kei style lock yank slide hammer and viola make insur claim similar experi krypto not bike theft erc
rec.motorcycles	paint job lisa alex lisa rowland write can recommend good place for price bike paint job prefer not essenti london area lisa rowland dream machin exampl work and pretti good midland
rec.motorcycles	cager antic footbal field articl daili thi week soccer goalkeep had carri field collis ford sierra cage cage driver want turn need drive pitch thi wait till ball and player end start manouvr boot ball back pitch goalkeep ran backward goal straight into cage
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl bethdc netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top wait cotton pick minut dod rule section paragraph that multipl peopl can lai claim bike obviou ploi artifici increas size stabl question dai spike own ladi true class and breed definit woman ride tom hare head note that you lai claim conni sport ladi discrimin tast bore mind wanta bradw newbridg sig plan clue dod
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion don find pee scare don armoral seat ride even you you will urin proof qualiti henri prang biker renal physiologist physiolog sch med blgtn dod bmwmoa gsi ride conv cage explor cage tenet major religion you wrong you deserv punish
rec.motorcycles	squid riceburn respect articl apr locu dana lando locu dana myer write articl qqxp cbmvax cbm commodor hartzler cbmvax cbm commodor jerri hartzler cat write articl apr icomsim mman icomsim michael man write duck squid don wave return wave even each excus for ignoramu squid and you chri behanna squid squid gui back decemb cool degre morn work wear knee length pant light jacket glove consider slower dod nomin poser squid gui yesterdai home similar attir san jacket april texa ride freewai left hand side kinda robinhoodlik bodi turn slightli left bring mean term poser
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion random thought ride passeng substitut for bike suffici power passeng occasion small etc bike us ride hard ride and that great even move freind gsx ride recent thi due part fact that regular passeng slimlin passeng stai line bike corner that make movement predict regular passeng tend hold rack noth don passeng hold for short period that bias fact that had coupl passeng friend recent for time bike hold real tight make kind maneuv difficult discov that longer trip prefer passeng move and shift weight bit recent work collegu meet hour ride and sat total left sit and get sore back code system for turn stop and for shift posit chri seabrook fujitsu open system solut inc phone holli street emeryvil usa fax dod per saltir gule and sun counterchang
rec.motorcycles	hawk seat review unabl stand pain anymor wife bought corbin gunfight and ladi passeng backrest for hawk instruct week earlier instal easi seat fasten hardwar appar wrong side stock seat never easi put onc figur that seat passeng backrest not fit thought suppli screw set backrest angl not fit and not found suitabl hard sae grade perhap bolt that fit soft bolt don lean back driver section seat bit wider comfort put mile stock seat thought passeng section time volum foam that stock seat and short test comfort backrest help bit not time test backrest come small pocket difficult swing leg taller seat notch ride dixvil pinkham smuggler give complet report gener improv frank evan perdicaro xyvis color system legal gun drug and cash todai edgewat drive inhous frank marvin wakefield outhous frank contex
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write bought miracl spoog chain lube wheel clean vfr goddamn competit accessori hasn mail order hell two week and order pretti bizzar stuff clear face sheild and can chain wax bastard dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl arturo infmx arturo informix arturo vega write caught wave oncom motorcycl rider car caught bicycl that count dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	dog charl parr parr ac ucalgari wrote bull pucki us dog peopl scare shitless and nose and vision and hear cop partner attend dog meat hand human bad attitud and ittl train violent forc thing that polic dog us for bullet human polic offic charl peopl scare dog and will panic attack will turn weapon dog and thi polic offic control your advic correct dog match for train human fight singl person singl dog face face confront contest dog match for human will fight multipl dog stori bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	dod pin not kid and kidlet your pal kotpm keeper pin monei good and bad new good new laid pin will come us comput softwar phrase real bad new order compani up minimum order for manufactur wire order pin result low number pin releg run bin result that anoth week your belov geeki guid you blacktop and thought madonna dashboard foolish hmmm that madonna sit dashboard that danger hell tough continu patient arriv post grand announc and rush messiah directli your abod meantim you revis version holi word geeki send cash monei order cod ranch apocalyp ashram geeki cyberspac place msf class hope not bore wife made michael menard
rec.motorcycles	stori lynn pacesett lynn hall write lynn pacesett lynn hall write allow god open contain street sign bar yeah cop hand for coupl thousand biker block main street not cite street fill empti can feet deep gutter crowd raisin hell titti show can you parti and stereotyp erc whacha mean ifin want stereotyp that like drink beer and watch love ladi displai beauti bodi that stereotyp you refer stereotyp infer neg you notic didn rape pillag burn town left mucho buck monei town think town like lynn hall no bro bein themfolk tend compos fair piec popul bein that regard biker loud irrespons irrever reprob rabbl you didn rape and pillag relief that you such gentlemen you not complet hand you justifi your lesser indescret pretti distort think notic that you left mucho buck monei nevermind critic line forgot that leav mucho buck monei behavior permiss perhap even justifi mind that themfolk that give biker get kill elect offici institut draconian legisl helmet law gun control etc that don respect right road not respect rest time continu continu wear your stigma badg time you whine and effect valu rememb that behavior righteou wuss that bai for thi long enjoi erc dod
rec.motorcycles	bmw heat grip mark bergman bergman panix wrote you bmw heat handgrip summer you wisegui mean comfort transmit lot vibrat compar stock grip foam grip make differ winter and had heat grip instal can grip and feel standard grip not soft last weekend mile round trip and point and rain heat grip great had bike month and heat grip favorit featur bike bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each arturo informix arturo vega wrote maven mavenri altcit eskimo norman hamer write you habit watch carefulli for bike you cage thi good thing caught wave oncom motorcycl rider car caus wife conclud that total insan not partial lift left hand wheel and wave windshield damn motion bike tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	trace licens plate bdi cager jeq lachman jonathan quist wrote articl qmgg sixgun east sun egreen east sun write traffic citat accus commit crime that motion trial you want you innoc proven guilti cop not can accus peopl commit crime wit crime can highwai patrol and explain situat give descript car and licens number and specif violat law you wit and prosecut search vehicl code and section number handi fill ticket and sign will system ticket cop write contest you will court prosecut your word will not carri weight cop and advic polic offic had close call that addit imparti wit word driver and that decid whether time and inconveni worth time and inconveni driver and whether posit effect result make feel worth thi onc bdi ladycag town car pass two lane road memor licens plate thi dai carri pen and paper tankbag and local polic station cop fill ticket sign paid tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	owner tankbag suggest want bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl apr ncsu edu martenm chess ncsu edu mar marten write for tank bag and wonder you follow owner make suggest and not work for you file thi apolog for ask and will gladli accept flame that blown larg flat ga tank imagin that almost work person quit happi eclips standard tank bag thing watch for number attach strap come and bagman strap tankbag and rear tank narrow fit not optim mark castl rock
rec.motorcycles	dog howland noc arc nasa gov curt howland write articl mrc ikkoku kan panda mrc ikkoku kan panda mark crispin write biker and dog lover biker such horrid reput dog thrust
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff jrlaf sgi msd lmsc lockhe laferrier wrote wonder law offic that read thi question pertain motorcycl and cop and don vehicl code your local station obviou thing that question not found place answer face face real live flesh cop your brother had friend had cousin who father cop etc don bother write you mind tell state municip you live law place you tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	hawk seat review put corbin seat hawk solo seat carri passeng for short distanc and stock seat longer voic squeak ride work rich sturg nswc carderock divis speak for and listen
rec.motorcycles	want advic for cylist articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write question danger ride exactli danger you hard and protect keep troubl mean know your limit keep your machin good shape and predict and make for stupid move that driver make deal fun stai aliv take consciou effort bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada jodi can sum succinctli add two thing stupid road design poor and deal for fun and brotherhood share live had feel wind hair imho binger binger binger hsh such thing attitud express corpor opinion boss will express
rec.motorcycles	dog articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write newsgroup rec motorcycl path usenet in cwru edu lerc nasa gov lerc nasa gov new uakron edu malgudi oar net zaphod mp ohio state edu sol ctr columbia edu destroy ubc unixg ubc kakwa uc ualberta ac ucalgari parr parr ac ucalgari charl parr subject dog messag apr ac ucalgari date tue apr gmt refer mrc ikkoku kan panda pntm cbnewsj att nntp post host ac ac ucalgari organ univers calgari alberta line articl pntm cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write dog weigh max you can handl you presum thumb grappl and tear head sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag thi recent discuss rec martial art human don advantag dog decept strong and bred for fight sort anoth dod
rec.motorcycles	newbi matt dear newbi advic read foe dai thi your sourc info kinda make glad that discov into ride possibl sound that eesh btw matt despit insult you destin face great move take msf will save your butt good luck erc dod
rec.motorcycles	krypto cabl cobra lock not gui can track post for name talk made claim that cobralink not adjust space each link teeth lock head notch each link lock point and thi not applic hard core thiev cart liquid nitrogen and oxi acetylen torch cobralink lot effect kryptonit cabl lock imho and initi appear effect relev bore joyrid nomin adept crack unsecur bike deterr long lock nomin function final notic that ride leather har boot and cobralink slung across bandoli btw crash rain dress thi and lock didn pulver vertebra cager give wider berth don hassl and tend avoid potenti inflammatori action stoplight love cobralink almost love pre honda dinosaur pavlovian drool reflex put lock bodi and can feel bike shake post wrong sang dod owner mail question weird handl bike opinion express not necessarili univers north carolina chapel hill campu offic for inform technolog experiment bulletin board servic internet launchpad unc edu
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl apr microsoft chrispi microsoft chri pirih write gener bike rider rais hand handlebar and wave easi wave and doder easili recogn special wave pai attent and you hold your left hand front you finger straight apart vase you us your hand you throttl lock stop bring your fingertip and thumb togeth touch and open back start posit you thi move your hand slowli left gracefulli and wave motion you imit squid propel underwat search food drink squid sexual orient squid ride lissa shoun netcom
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion ride passeng doesn depend type bike thing you want passeng not ergo ask advic reason doesn practic period you fine wouldn uniniti road that switch back and revers center uncrown roadwai not mention bdc and squid will that road ask for advic and even wasn meant read lee
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk ivan reid apr pst wibbl articl apr new columbia edu rob castro write you decid that windi ride even seagul walk ivan reid paul scherrer institut ivan cvax psi gsx you porsch pass dod you can make headwai into wind you hear dull boom nois hill wind you and you wfo care control will opposit effect nick mach biker dod concis oxford lud nick pettefar contractor larg teneo tuu intervallum cuurrent incarcer bnr npet bnr bmw kai maidenhead unit kingdom pre pbwasoh
rec.motorcycles	act front traffic jerk apr gillian runci write mere femal found can big offens line asshol car driver found subtl and nastli ooop mean nasti back cut you wait till pull past you and gentli lean and bend aerial time that eventu snap base undetect for and bummer replac gillian dear gillian that such wickedli cool idea didn canada aerial antenna driver passeng area and sure give for trueli useabl piec inform heard long time and you mean mere femal thi get back take real gut mike maser dod squid rate pinetre sidnei can hopalonga twinfart yuka yuka excess list tridump mucho guzler burlei home thumpison bimotamoeba work mmaser siriu uvic joke month gai univers victoria indian chief new rec motorcycl answer can bum coupl buck
rec.motorcycles	dog car cbnewsj att charl roger write dog weigh max you can handl you presum thumb grappl and tear head sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag thi recent discuss rec martial art human don advantag dog decept strong and bred for fight sort anoth dod relat trainer come that human advantag fact that dog will involuntarili regurgit and releas object that larg swallow told that attack dog ball hand fist and forc dog throat dog natur gag and releas and becom momentarili disori thi commonli happen human doctor and throat examin proof posit time dog disorient move wrap arm dog throat choke hold manner and constrict your dog laps into unconsci lack oxygen and halt blood flow final run wind local area dog and piss ooooooopsssss for second thought rec beatthelivingcrapoutofadog and not rec motorcycl till time mike maser dod squid rate pinetre sidnei can hopalonga twinfart yuka yuka excess list tridump mucho guzler burlei home thumpison bimotamoeba work mmaser siriu uvic joke month gai univers victoria indian chief new rec motorcycl answer can bum coupl buck
rec.motorcycles	put your helmet respons jerri lotto post not put your helmet your mirror risk damag pad insid major mirror breakag impact pavement law mandat that mirror protect helmet order place put helmet prefer clean footpeg hang chin guard hot pipe dod
rec.motorcycles	paint job articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea write lisa alex lisa rowland write can recommend good place for price bike paint job prefer not essenti london area lisa rowland dream machin exampl work and pretti good midland can you expens toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	bui bike etc articl inform dev inform michael seal write articl apr galaxi gov bclark galaxi gov write lot post wanna bui bike gsxr cbr fzr good bike learn etc can bui gsxr cbr fzr prob that you wrong newbi phone salesman that show newbi rememb correctli gsxr such thing cbr fzr such thing sport bike don version
rec.motorcycles	volvo attack privelg experi volvo attack thi weekend last line traffic that vehicl long ride groton side road sit shoulder killer volvo question brake light turn signal noth mph and cage front sec back cage pass volvo brain dead idiot wheel decid that doesn wait for pass and turn perpendicular across lane traffic that can turn brake effort not bone and horn effort wake bdi finish turn complet blank uncomprehend stare can rocket launcher for vfr dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	counterst san hand articl clark bdrc clark bdrc richard clark write steer hand aren bar open budweis left hand camel cigarett feet allow lean and bike turn counterst counterst benchrac taller seat your feet aren floor rick wouldn recommend thi move mike beaverton can complain you awhil you not want counterst you sit drivewai sound rick fall bike mutter damn coulda sworn that told msf andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	bike for sale usa articl apr new columbia edu sc cunixb columbia edu sebastian sear write articl apr zorro tyngsboro zorro tyngsboro jeff derienzo write recent becom father twin don can afford bike and babi babi stai harlei xlhd hei wife bike that pretti uncal for smile harlei manhood feel challeng jeff derienzo you sell your bike and ride you stai home kid geez that tough choic andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	two beemer question folk happi rang mile gallon that mpg surprisingli bike real cruiser expect rough sweet backroad honei and can pretti anyplac mountain bike shaft effect torqu effect crankshaft opinion rev sit driveshaft not move and bike twist bit don ride fast shaft effect opinion buffet wind greater consequ question recommend for home made fair wind chest and perhap helmet for comfort highwai speed mph don want screw stabil block vision for trail ride luck two piec detach fair make plexigla run two light standard headlamp sidelamp mount crash bar illumin excel that full beam come level motor left side lamp beam linear that you bright streak illumin left and pick peripheri deer lurk etc combin headlamp high you can dai heard that bmw altern don crank shut sidelamp putter dirt low rpm thi embarass troubl start bike thing morn invari flood carb and read section paper and start thi zen thing hayn manual not circumst us gasolin alcohol addit yeah you folk due engin and carb eaten ethanol and methanol brand ga that addit dod asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu kawi zephyr erik asphaug bmw
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli bradw newbridg brad warkentin write articl bethdc netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top wait cotton pick minut dod rule section paragraph that multipl peopl can lai claim bike obviou ploi artifici increas size stabl silli boi you read rest that jibberish back and read rule question dai spike own ladi true class and breed definit woman ride tom hare head for record spike jointli own registr uhhh titl beth beth brought attent half heartedli lust for year had successfulli aviod bui ration that didn spend beth pipe pai for half beaten note that you lai claim conni sport ladi discrimin tast watch buddi fine ride beth love ride pillion conni true sport isn cup tea can side stand agre that fine ride bore mind wanta bradw newbridg sig plan clue dod bui that even loan you quarter bui clue concour sophist ladi tom dietrich sportster sport for sale dod spike garag rat ama queu for fssnoc two joust and gather big fun kspt bell cool rule sometim mail txd mkt lewi disclaim take respons for opinion preced thi
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr vax cit cornel edu xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike terri virago yep yesterdai shafti vision mention that had pillon that help rotat bike wheeli result necessarili agress acceler manouv intersect damn san antonio cager tend bad driver take lot pre clutch dump rev action pass comment johnni ennex eng utsa edu
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl bong kfp slac mac slac stanford edu bong slac stanford edu eric bong write articl cbnew att nak cbnew att neil kirbi wrote work for lean dog modul throttl ankl ahead teeth second warm pipe firmli wedg shoulder turn face sidewai warm and mouth nose muzzl burn pipe bicycl techniqu emploi us frame mount tire pump fend dog attack brother had spent lot time practic bizzar trick megabuck micromass bike onc repel dog attack pick rear bike and smack dog side head rear wheel dog had idea hit and fled quit rapidli jump garbag can ramp don care thi motorcycl telephon work tire pump that almost unfair never dog that us phone blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	dog apr egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write articl adob cjackson adob curti jackson write write sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag agre thi for chihuahua polic and militari don train doberman and shephard and us weapon easi for averag joe defeat barehand you oppos thumb dog teeth effect name for vision hear and smell you and like faster reflex you motorcycl paw roll and blow doesn even net access green mon thing weak area idiot respons dog rod cone not human and thi ey collect light lower light condit colour vision almost exist mean dog had built infra red vision arm forc strap missil pai quarter million for guidanc capabl dog net access mike maser dod squid rate pinetre sidnei can hopalonga twinfart yuka yuka excess list tridump mucho guzler burlei home thumpison bimotamoeba work mmaser siriu uvic joke month gai univers victoria indian chief new rec motorcycl answer can bum coupl buck
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl mdenni beryllium mdenni xerox matt denni write apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write notic kid wave biker reaction boi enthusiast wave and good wave kid that notic bike figur help futur sport don forget girl not quit year daughter excitedli point and motorcycl time see past work help that book show sir topham hatt chaffeur side car rig admit that parent figur notic afraid that kid will yell for associatign anti societ type can you convinc kid that somedai ride thing genet thing boi even and year boi magnet attract motorcycl virtaulli sort dismai thier mother genet thing human don touch hot pipe jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl ltgnt innfpq earth utexa edu mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir write articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl ltdv ainn earth utexa edu mcguir utexa edu tommi marcu mcguir write hei hell you mean that you suck god express opinion carri gun and not wear helmet goddamn you stand for stupid give scale analysi and hint delet mon overreact worth coupl point not mention bit condemn everth flame sequitur gun and helmet proper flourish nope flame interest gun helmet wallpap person opinion that two type good flame trade qualiti sens you mention for heat thi surpris and correctli contend entertain not rec motoland easili amus blain elder superflam peak depth you prefer that sort incendiari backdrop award your falter bic purest act chariti true that flame post not mention habitu veloc friend dinner entertain flair and short weak thi type flame that can easili point becom trite and bore your audienc thousand similarli uninspir attempt thi arena that case trite bore threshold drift you set will eventu not type flame you glorifi blah blah blah summari blain your score for that flame incorrect wunder flame weak you point not necessarili weak and your suggest correct not applic you can yank flame blain internet port can close you posit lectur grasshopp you couldn outrun tenni ball flatul dog stapl your posterior and bet you and your motorcycl lean turn for you yawn you slip scale each success attempt embarrass watch you not waco you chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list joe rider cactu org joe senner write bmw mail list sinc bike list and limit bike list charter gear rider emphas road bike numer peopl list bmw twin usual conting aspir boxer talk main list subscrib digest version run messg dai technic chatter and flame subscript can had mail text messag send command subscrib bmw request halfdom for main list and bmw digest request haldfom for digest version your address will us determin you will receiv mail shame split boxer rider list exist list fail meet reader bob pasker rbp netcom
rec.motorcycles	der whassa deltabox new dtc jjb dtc jim brewer write articl kxal izc ccu umanitoba klinger ccu umanitoba jorg klinger write beleiv call dentabox frame noth putti and paint won fix thi ride gsxr gutsi refer propens dent spill prespil work art jorg klinger gsxr you arch eng servic lost horizon umanitoba man embalm anonym squidonk
rec.motorcycles	ride frank marvin contex frank perdicaro write wrong sat feet big put foot heavi mind quickli cindi back back hard seat time larg hawk seat bike control idl side road heavi mid dry that major drawback rpm second gear weight dissappear even can you tourqu monster test drive sold bike lot bite anywher gear bike mile odomet slipperi tire and pad that you tryth ab tc version cindi difficulti speed gear gear pur top gear thi thing low rpm grunt that hawk lane experi big heft requir move thi thing respond wallow complaint fair fairli quiet helmet buffet market fair windshield for rais bubbl inch head hurt bike trivial top gear car pass mph effortless smooth smooth smooth not sound remind pleasant thi essenc bike move throttl and itr acceler gear anywher anytim frequent find dod min casual pass maneuv jump caus impress brake hill revers camber twice revers radiu decreas radiu turn real squeez need front binder thi function weight you aggres brake squez test cycl world and expert rider stop faster compar model bmw and yamaha even extra weight and ga section tight urban work thi section show weight clam shack you counterst for turn and movement short classic pothol wiggl forget lean into turn counterst into turn and respond nice half onramp yank cindi wrist singal for hold tight head check left time find redlin second gear good shove fourth see dod speed short shift into top cop and light traffic not cross into dod zone bike had mile high effort lane wide sweep turn time wick buffet threat pull seat and stai comfort wind and steer look find mph not bad for tour faster hate bui thi bike your short break period thread car edg concret pad front heavi effort for cindi and put thing center stand that us side stand side minut not true side stand design for weight and will hold bike nice dirt easili bike center stand step stand pull bike demo opinion heavi put diet smooth comfort notic dod speed bui for list for bike left over for love mine and haven found for rememb you year unlimit mileag warranti
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl athena uga edu ahatch athena uga edu allan hatcher write lurk for long time announc enemi enemi that happen ride arrest red vfr feel that you not enemi doubt dickhead cop dickhead biker even you you will give you benefit doubt biker can speak for entir dod thi hei gui free ride georgia dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	counterst san hand articl apr cornel edu karr cornel edu david karr write articl gbnvgw quantum qnx dagibb quantum qnx david gibb write even steer hand you quit similar counterst basic turn left you quick wiggl bike caus counteract lean occur left thi sound suspici black magic quick wiggl you mean that handlebar turn turn left input steer mechan that make thi happen absenc shove shove bore bike tourer can you steer san han push your bodi side you want lean you want turn left you push your bodi left thi you push and thing push ground bike appl gui wozniak that churchil that ground will push you back you push left push ground and ground push back left that push wheel rear wheel doesn care you bear problem spagthorp dragonfli had revolutionari counterst contra shaft drive rear end front wheel trail ground push front wheel left contact patch trail will wheel turn hei hand counter steer dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list had motorcycl new server reject hesh bob pasker rbp netcom wrote shame split boxer rider list exist list fail meet reader you presum you need split list implic your split plain bmw list wouldn meet rider for sake not forc split issu chang charter and renam your list bmw bmw that make happi you particip thi and joe wouldn burden hesh
rec.motorcycles	squid and dealer kevin stell kstell cbnewsl att wrote squid felt embarass thi point motorcyclist felt ey cage wit thi displai glanc dealer lot and damn two wheel needless friend felt uncomfort and left you express your embarrass owner don blame you for embarrass feel that behaviour sale staff and appar enjoy such behaviour cost sale and sale will turn frustrat and ride peacefulli clear anger hope that cop home open mind and doesn associ sound good enjoi btw can afford bike can merf
rec.motorcycles	death stroke die zebe johnston zebe wattl itd adelaid edu wrote for read thi rev idl that water fuel accept reaason sound pilot circuit lean clog don water problem thi appar oil pump job and plenti oil seiz you chanc coast stuck two stroke you substanti lubric you give bike ga lean pilot that stuck btw motor had rebuilt left adelaid had mile blew rebuilt had seiz time and look that seizur had happen low mileag hone mark bore rebuild consist total tear piston ring small end bear and gearbox bear big end and rod judg idea folk you mention aftermarket carb delet text that your problem zebe johnston dod you don italian motorcycl merfman
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk never experienc wind sever physic preclud oper motorcycl matter decid whether aggrav troubl worth thi depend your circumst and person disposit and skill you haven can danger take get us read list brad thone system consult system servic enterpris loui wuvmd wustl edu wuvmd bitnet
rec.motorcycles	hasti speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer wrote randi megatek randi davi write speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for drive intox beleiv dwi mean drive impair intox state live thi chang louisiana girl court and won case claim stone pot not intox liquor can impari necessarili impair liquor drug not sleep total moron can impair etc surpris thi hook perhap dwi lousiana confin liquor let dui vari state state oper vehicl greater percentag alcohol your bloodstream can drop thi and back ask green getabik tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	traffic moron ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau wrote nmm nielsmm imv aau niel mikkel michelsen nmm subject act front traffic jerk nmm dai rain cat and dog therefor nmm speed limit noth bike thi gui bmw nmm drive meter for meter and red light nmm calmli put bike leg walk back thi car roll nmm window and told total idiot and reason nmm thing nmm nmm niel mikkel sound great real bdi cager tailgat found that effect strategi flash brake light pump pedal you will bit free plai your brake pedal thi that even brain dead idiot can discern that flash red light directli front mean that wrong sometim sometim bdi cager move back hyperagress asshol move closer testosteron stimul behavior kinda wave red flag bull you can move and jerk noth tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc let not forget sport tour honda
rec.motorcycles	windi dai robert castro rdc cunixf columbia edu write you decid that windi ride you blown ride your bike your drive home windi ride check nearbi tree for wind strength and badli affect wind alan alan duncan dept comput scienc ducati edinburgh univers scotland
rec.motorcycles	moa member anoth letter read light last letter post jeff brodi concer crap that moa folk not dissemin inform that receiv bad mouth thought that post thi yesterdai thi board member robert higdon moa pre chich mors thi not word gui april cecil king nomin statement dear chick problem elect for presid moa thi year cecil king nomin statement appear owner new word twice that permit law pertin part rule state each candid biographi and posit statement limit combin total word nomin committ cut afaft word biographi and posit statement exceed thi length nominationg committ not task had cecil statement cut requir conclud approxim word undertid sic second paragraph commenc posit statement result cecil obtain view grossli unfair advantag candid for presid thi not taint elect for that offic make mockeri process your advis board immedi step you intend rectifi thi caricatur fair elect parenthet your privat correspond appreci that tou call asshol you remind letter recipi that public such comment almost guarante woeful consequ kind regard remain robert higdon moa er you read for trust you cecil king and that editor befor don douglass and pre candid you draw your conclus regard craig vechorik bmw moa ambassador bmw vintag bulletin tech editor dod real bmw two wheel polit correct statement
rec.motorcycles	insur cbr hei roughest time get compani cover bike detail and singl ride clean record homeown rider accor compani not member msf ama cbr mile temp plate screamin bitch ride can you idea can privat email lower nois net mrr cwru edu good mail address hear can road advanc mark weather leather hot metal and oil scent countri air sunlight chrome blur landscap nerv awar red barchetta strain limit machin and man
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax and mail order articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write bought miracl spoog chain lube wheel clean vfr goddamn competit accessori hasn mail order hell two week and order pretti bizzar stuff clear face sheild and can chain wax bastard for worth can dai chaparr that up ground ymmv stuff work and doesn attract grundg blue gave acid test full dai worth break quadrac paddl tire sand dune wet stickei will coat sand end dai chain look pretti clean mail order chaparr stock and can you stock long will back order not dai competit accessori week two deliv motorcycl accessori warehous take week two and bui boot last week don stock maw cheaper chaparr alpinestar tech boot mondai hope end week ask maw complet unreason question you stock convers thi you boot stock you want pai visa mastercard want you stock comput doesn show call distribut find you not don you understand call distribut find stock not can you yea call back hour and for phil hour phil isn mike check and call back half hour half hour mike isn left note that end month week screw buck isn worth hassl call chaparr and ask had stock ooh alpinestar not hard stock check size size size blue white grai white black black thi noon mondai arriv thursdai morn onc dai up ground chaparr not complet maw lower price prepar wait and market for sand tire and atv stuff scorcher good outfit friendli fast had tire want stock and cheaper chaparr blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl apr bnr mbeav bnr write you advic and wuit you whine flame brain and can spell edu hope you not student duke you wast your tuition beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk ooooooh complain spell hurt not student alumnu and employe can monei back grub bnr huh hope you not perman wast benefit you pthptptphhph andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	daytona articl rtaraz apr bigwpi wpi edu rtaraz bigwpi wpi edu ramin taraz write watch daytona race tnn boi for peopl yamaha lot faster kawi last stretch yami and left kawi dust kawi rider and totali disappoint kawi wasn that lawson owo faster you watch tape russel had major backmark problem get bank doesn matter bike you you lose your drive your hose two bike almost ident fast check qualifi time
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write ride sooner pillion hang bike find that weight can move and that can upset balanc bike pillion hold grabrail good don hang violent acceler take place hmmmmn don you ride your sweetheart tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod
rec.motorcycles	two beemer question articl apr organpip uug arizona edu asphaug lpl arizona edu erik asphaug write folk happi rang mile gallon that mpg surprisingli bike real cruiser expect rough sweet backroad honei and can pretti anyplac mountain bike shaft effect torqu effect crankshaft opinion rev sit driveshaft not move and bike twist bit don ride fast shaft effect opinion not start anoth shaft effect discuss twist you feel rev sit due larger fly wheel that bmw bike dunno us you whack throttl stop light rock bike snip snip run two light standard headlamp sidelamp mount crash bar illumin excel that full beam come level motor left side lamp beam linear that you bright streak illumin left and pick peripheri deer lurk etc combin headlamp high you can dai heard that bmw altern don crank shut sidelamp putter dirt low rpm post you come conclus thi think put light each cylind guard and wonder whether switch light time rpm kawi zephyr erik asphaug thi wanna sit and bui you drink somedai templ dog sea bass sear sc cunixb columbia edu dod stanlei yamaha bmw toyota runner nyc
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax articl itu new ysu edu yfn ysu edu write previou articl txd esd tom dietrich parr ac ucalgari charl parr write bought miracl spoog chain lube wheel clean miracl maxima chain wax not lube and stai suppos swear can ride faster not lube your chain make you rider and attract member oppos sex and smarter and work bike toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	boom dog attack articl apr dsd bgardner bambam blain gardner write articl bong kfp slac mac slac stanford edu bong slac stanford edu eric bong write articl cbnew att nak cbnew att neil kirbi wrote bicycl techniqu emploi us frame mount tire pump fend dog attack bayonet factori scabbard swedish mouser mount handlebar zuki that blade and long arm quit you dod technician speed not student stolen taglin hei you don naahh
rec.motorcycles	want polic offic answer post articl csundh ursa csundh ursa calvin edu charl sundheim write vike iastat edu dan sorenson write and cop heh attitud stop speak gui reciev verbal warn for mph laugh shreveport back ride purpl water buffalo jump intersect front cop wait for light side street hidden bui build corner and didn till airborn middl intersect park had helment and liscenc turn corner chew ass and will admit squidli thing jump intersect that cop nail find that you polit respectful and honest will normali you lot stuff shock mount fold dai guess deserv that dod technician speed not student stolen taglin hei you don naahh
rec.motorcycles	rider join group articl apr pacbel jscosta srv pacbel jon costa write ride group gener speak peopl mind anoth rider tag had distinct feel not tag group last weekend yer ride and friend time introduc your earliest opportun and mind rid you gui dod technician speed not student stolen taglin hei you don naahh
rec.motorcycles	bmw heat grip bergman panix mark bergman write you bmw heat handgrip comfort transmit lot vibrat compar stock grip foam grip don grip look into get understand that grip standard european style grip come standard bike etc understand that heater resid insid bar suspect reduc vibrat provid bar end mass don wouldn work style foam grip fact that foam deterior hard beliv fine degre texa summer don you can save your flame joe senner joe rider cactu org bmw mail list bmw rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	windi dai articl xuqm dxu dc amd dc alan duncan write robert castro rdc cunixf columbia edu write you decid that windi ride handlebar mount windshield windi dai fun windi hell for week and plai hell steer ride bitch lot dod technician speed not student stolen taglin hei you don naahh
rec.motorcycles	ain for articl speedi engr latech edu speedi engr latech edu speedi mercer write confus that surpris ask for copi faq mail not kotfaq wonder proper responc you post email request proper attribut newsgroup request becom matter rec moto public record and warrant ceremoni gang faqe glad ride safe cliff weston dod seca tem thi bike excel condit work glen crash stone
rec.motorcycles	mail order respons time order time competit accesori and ussual dai deliveri onc had backord card two week dai satisfi and life rich sturg nswc carderock divis speak for and listen
rec.motorcycles	bmw heat grip articl rider joe rider cactu org joe senner write bergman panix mark bergman write you bmw heat handgrip comfort transmit lot vibrat compar stock grip foam grip don grip look into get understand that grip standard european style grip come standard bike etc understand that heater resid insid bar suspect reduc vibrat provid bar end mass don wouldn work style foam grip fact that foam deterior hard beliv fine degre texa summer onc sold heat motorcycl grip mail order aftermarket replac grip that had heat element mlded into grip wire ran bar grip switch and finali batteri cycl magazin test year ago and like dunno made check snowmobil racer dod technician speed not student umop apisdn
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk long time back month similar question ask suggest addit list put your windward knee bike and brad thone system consult system servic enterpris loui wuvmd wustl edu wuvmd bitnet
rec.motorcycles	time worst time articl nujinncti gap caltech edu ridgwai cco caltech edu alex ridgwai write paulb harlei tti paul blumstein write problem turn screw unscrew insid mikuni carb hear that screw tight bike never thought that had that screw insid carb roadsid fixabl and time gee figur that loos screw rider that like problem you check for that time that true screw loos thi rider for quit time had into account russian roulett fun time paul blumstein paulb harlei tti dod abat ama hog doh laa marc arrl platypu qrp arpci naswa lwca rcma cala transact technolog inc santa monica
rec.motorcycles	adjust tappit articl jcn lactos rice edu jcn rice edu write and speak shim clearanc valv smaller us thinner shim valv seat wear toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	owner tankbag suggest want articl apr mnemosyn edu mwallac nyx edu mark wallac write bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl apr ncsu edu martenm chess ncsu edu mar marten write for tank bag and wonder you follow owner make suggest and larg flat ga tank imagin that almost work person quit happi eclips standard tank bag thing watch for number attach strap come and bagman strap tankbag and rear tank narrow fit not optim good point overlook that eclips point mount rear and front and stabl har that mount side tank and that real problem blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write lemai netcom laura lemai write lotsa stuff delet switch your hand guardrail stretch your shoulder and squeez your thigh you your rider you guard rail isn safe hold your rider hmmmm that side pond want pillion hang rider grabrail gui and pillion femal reason idea you passeng weight comfort posit for passeng and stabl configur come into hold grab rail great idea for brake you don want pillion slide forward into you don find work david dagibb qnx
rec.motorcycles	stori respect articl apr pacesett lynn pacesett lynn hall write back annual southern california harlei dealer associ run colorado river citi lauglin nevada that peopl can enjoi asshol you want treat respect you treat properti and town respect year ago annual fly experiment aircraft associ eaa oshkosh wisconsin approxim peopl attend not piec litter anywher consider place trash belong problem fun rais hell etc consider and respect for critic work each not nuditi fine loud nois fine parti night fine place and time not trampl right and bitch don treat god michael menard you wasn even respond thi typic anti parti attitud messag trash reason not dipsi dumpster for massiv crowd oatman wasn prepar for vast number peopl that show btw michael oatman place time call run you didn read comment that love and talk merchant and townspeopl merchant that didn want shop close mention that left trash pick aluminum sell crew assign task bottom line want back thi action that oatman typic predominatli harlei run innoc fun sinc enjoi typic harlei fun run your ey that make asshol admit asshol time net friend asshol lyric song you want dime call that care appear differ opinion you big pictur you pass judgement annual that you lynn hall no bro
rec.motorcycles	dog articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write articl pntm cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write thi tactic depend for effect dog conform psycholog norm that not appli dog success won work charli manson dog that stupid larg irish setter taught thi yard appar territori dai plai game game kill angri neighbor can dispens terribl punish dog weigh max you can handl you presum thumb grappl and tear head sheesh even train attack dog match for human advantag you worri attack dog carri spot remov you russian roulett fun time paul blumstein paulb harlei tti dod abat ama hog doh laa marc arrl platypu qrp arpci naswa lwca rcma cala transact technolog inc santa monica
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write view drunk drive carri mandatori prison sentenc traffic offens not public fund issu genuin safeti issu you bring subject rec moto admit caught dwi and for sympathi consequ don expect peopl respond warm wish dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon not drive for year close jail and btw hell for sympathi ask insur not life fwiw honest thi group that read thi had dwi andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list rbp netcom bob pasker write shame split boxer rider list exist list fail meet reader you mention bike made bmw list fact you your boxer talk your list appear cater boxer that great list cater bmw restrict you that subscript count hour initi post list made bed that for bmw list oppos boxer list motiv for set bmw list earlier post announc your boxer list didn fit piss each list back regular net nois and read respect list joe senner joe rider cactu org bmw mail list bmw rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	bond cage cop akellei oracl alyn kellei write wave policeman happi policeman nice policeman experienc thi phenomenon bless cop good mood insert mild sarcasm alyn dod seca not wouldn trade time close friend pull cuss and shout and final verbal warn exchang for wave smile you art sir sir sir you sir arturo informix
rec.motorcycles	moa member anoth letter read notic that thi happen sinc chri perez gift membership for rec motorcycl beemer club whiner thi confus whiner connect blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list hesh cup chri steinbron write had motorcycl new server reject hesh bob pasker rbp netcom wrote shame split boxer rider list exist list fail meet reader you presum you need split list implic your split plain bmw list wouldn meet rider good point list start extens shootout list that name sinc incept boxer interest folk join and convers not gear specif topic for sake not forc split issu chang charter and renam your list bmw bmw that make happi rais expand not expand that question question list mix feel list open bounc line and gener agreement that boxer relat stuff almost subscrib bike and owner thi point main interest for list preserv peac and comraderi time provid wide access list fairli technic thi kind that kind question bmw bash bike bash bmw mfg piec shit bash such post consent govern proscrib simpl name chang make signific differ net boxer owner not stand progress hesh turn question you not join list you felt your boxer exclud bob pasker rbp netcom
rec.motorcycles	dog bike articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write articl ccu umanitoba klinger ccu umanitoba jorg klinger write larg fart dog and made real effort train flatul will don feed break thi and worri chase thing you can you wait long not put effort into dog not us fart time make notic smell doesn bother and kick somewhat liter realiz that shoudln not sort that scene minist studi secretari let fly and startl dog run room minist explain time mr soandso break wind beat dog jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike articl apr virginia edu cd virginia edu christoph dougla saadi write billi jack wild smokei and bandit jerri reed run truck motorcycl gang bike and video tape documentari hell angel found rental store onc don forget robert blake electra glide blue you full dress harlei plai dirt bike and you count smokei and bandit you darn includ pee wee big adventur jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax previou articl txd esd tom dietrich parr ac ucalgari charl parr write bought miracl spoog chain lube wheel clean miracl maxima chain wax not lube and stai suppos swear can ride faster not lube your chain make you rider and attract member oppos sex and smarter and dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	squid riceburn respect previou articl serafin epcot spdc mike serafin poser squid gui yesterdai home similar attir san jacket april texa ride amaz and thought california april dod darkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli wheeli motorcycl shaft drive owner sabr shafti can answer person experi aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee chuck smyth dod
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr newbridg bradw newbridg brad warkentin write articl bethdc netcom bethd netcom beth dixon write beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc wait cotton pick minut dod rule section paragraph that multipl peopl can lai claim bike obviou ploi artifici increas size stabl question dai spike own ladi true class and breed definit woman ride tom hare head spike own tom and purchas price and split cost need part registr etc name pink slip note that you lai claim conni sport ladi discrimin tast cover insur ride harlei give work clutch can bare clutch lever move hand stand bike sport distinct bike concour favorit mine pillion easi mile that bike last year feet good ground onc for ride pilot pillion fit concour bui imho sport tourer made not upset had settl for ducati tour bike bore mind wanta you beth beth true beth dixon bethd netcom yamaha excit girl dod yamaha spike garag rat fssnoc ducati ama ducati monza restor project kqspt can handl thi side derang top
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl menudo edu ind rosi edu write anoth list thi felt helpless sit light car length car wise decsion suddenli hear screech tire dart ey mirror and realiz moroon fly panic pop clutch and stall bike luckili gui stop foot rear wheel understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest automat sit old winter light heard screech manag dart into left turn lane slide jetta wound half and half park car besid never had occas bike imagin that even easier you slip besid car front give gander mirror light will give you time clutch smoothli you notic troubl wait for screech bike jodi levin dod you can you jodi levin hydro ride toronto ontario canada
rec.motorcycles	hasti rec motorcycl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write drive impar for prosecut driver influenc varieti drug sudaf cold medicin jeff deenei dod nctr shamu jld hpfcla ama cohvco llamaha sound fresh rain run splash roof remind sound urin splash into filthi texaco latrin jack handei
rec.motorcycles	blow yuk yuk yuk rec motorcycl rdc cunixf columbia edu robert castro write you decid that windi ride bug splat side helmet faceshield semi side downwind ditch can road for tumblewe roll past airborn sand gravel sandblast paint job happen onc middl wonder wyldom gust mph cheer vlj
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl menudo edu ind rosi edu write understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest you had your mirror you gui come you heard screech tire you stop light stop that you space front you and quick easi escap rout lane into crosswalk drivewai decid want plow into you bike clutch coupl car stop you you don wast second you don gear you move watch your mirror that situat hazard you avoid come you sipd msf geek speak isn for you move and you like panic and stall bike you time prepar gui tire lock you you bejeezu scare you feel quickli rise dread sudden jolt rai shea unisql inc unisql rai utexa edu dod team twinki hawk
rec.motorcycles	bmw heat grip orat wild abandon prang nickel uc indiana edu henri prang offer grip wonder thing winter and problem summer vibrat bmw don vibrat that agre henri grip nice winter and aren notic normal grip summer complaint that low set thi complain review offici and unoffici that talk grip high set high for us lightweight summer glove thing bit nippi sinc low doesn produc notic effect end turn grip and temperatur thi gener isn problem wear thicker winter glove ask dealer fix receiv consol pat back and sincer apolog for poor design told work suppos vibrat that ride bmw twin you can bare engin fire not time smoother silk sheet ken wallich wallich ncd ken wallich kmw org decwrl vixi amber ken
rec.motorcycles	put your helmet articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write anoth good place for your helmet your mirror kid you not you typic standard bike fairli averag mirror that screw into your handlebar your helmet fit your mirror and fairli stabl care that you not weight helmet rest mirror will depress foam liner helmet that not kind foam that bounc back foam rubber purpos life absorb energi impact compress your noggin your mirror compress that energi absorb capac left cushon your noggin crash found handlebar good spot sidestand hang chinbar face balanc across grip and brake lever such that weight helmet doesn compress chinbar foam thi challang open face helmet green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	point for helmet law point for articl prcr prc terri prcr prc terri cunningham write law book propos that ban motorcycl place that want you problem ban place you don want not heard discuss motorcycl person read popular movement countri state that motorcycl talk insur industri drink talk mom booz requir thing public misinform and misunderstand you state you and post thi correct situat heard dod sinc hit teen found that terribl wrong attitud adust blah blah blah fortun grew nah you complac that long your quarter acr safe you your tax deduct and act govern intrud direct and obviou into your dai dai life you don give shit green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die articl agat berkelei edu robinson cogsci berkelei edu michael robinson write articl quaq sixgun east sun egreen east sun write articl cbnewsm att shz mare att keeper tude write don you mean motorcyclist green ninjait drink last night biker perfectli reason explan yep green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl deh synopt noemi synopt noemi berri write guess you turn hors you want and plan your turn and jump rider give refin smooth input beast lot mainten leather cool sound familiar black trueli indigin america finest produc gear expens and you never volvo hit idiot intention rear front half ground cool poser don ride rain danger ic loud annoi and chrome dumb yep sound familiar green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	counterst faq post articl zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write that argu gyroscop etc throughli understand techniqu counterst includ that counterst corner decreas radiu corner thi thing disagre agre disagre offici line doubt that front brake appli rear brake idea that you avoid lock rear weight transfer take place that offici line taught rider educ class you refer that don teach counterst question qualiti class offici line msf curricula describ maximum brake achiev appli brake equal weight distribut nomin even and tire equal normal forc and eas rear prevent lock and increas brake front traction front due increas normal forc due weight shift offici line you taught ineffect face appli rear brake front not take advantag traction rear time and halv brake power front time brake tire begin slide useless advic newbi and slide tire find that inform develop brake techniqu that brake and weight shift develop you don slide tyre you know whether you achiev maximum brake not not suggest that you aim brake hard you possibl can you want find limit machin you not necessarili true chirp tire impend lockup surfac and serv good guid newbi maximum brake agre that total lock front occasion make rider manuv save for experienc rider you outrigg bike code us us case for maximum brake suggest you aim wheel point slide you exactli you suggest true point view teach ride skill thi discuss start wheel point slide useless inform you teach techniqu strategi achiev thi green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	counterst san hand articl bdrc clark bdrc richard clark write steer hand aren bar open budweis left hand camel cigarett feet allow lean and bike turn counterst counterst method for lean bike anoth method lean onc lean bike turn green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl wr wslack wr wslack bill slack write post shafti can wheeli mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground good point john buddi mine told that thing had bmw dump clutch rpm hei ito nly rev and you folk shaft doesn diddleysquatpoop can front wheel ground ferchrissak you bounc front not wheeli shaft effect unload rear susspens and effectivli load front thi shaft bike acceler start scrape corner laz
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for drive impar for prosecut driver influenc varieti drug green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write recent last year decid that due fact constantli peopl road drunk drive will rais awar make stricter law and such toughest law for dwi not necessarili increas amount awar kill highwai mean made differ sentenc automat revoc your licens for year not toughtest law absolut sens humor respect drive law put you jail and sell your child into slaveri for pass school bu bill breez hous lower intoxif level face stiff opposit senat recent highwai patrol opposit senat and gave shot and hit put dodg cone fail and will chang vote result for bizarr reason state govern veto power legisl come state congress opinion matter moot green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	stori articl apr pacesett lynn pacesett lynn hall write back annual southern california harlei dealer associ run colorado river citi lauglin nevada aka lauglin run can trash hate can bite
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion never ridden pillion recent had excel experi passeng dave edmondson pilot london found that upset bike rode pilot that look shoulder and anticip hold hard for brake acceler insid shoulder corner and move leav dave manag and bike bike and luggag hard acceler can quit unnerv feel spit back hard fight similarli held grab handl tightli dave need brake not mash pulp lot bigger reach and push tank awkward and make even harder for manag rare occas carri passeng absolut refus carri not properli accout for ride that helmet jacket glove stout pant and shoe boot minimum not respons provid thi gear respons requir want ride and agre earlier poster you not had experi carri passeng and you not carri passeng gentler ride durat you head difficult road mine hamilton that nasti place find troubl godfrei digiorgi ramarren appl dod ama rule never sell ducati street find rule obei rule for thing ducati cinelli toyota krup nikon soni appl telebit
rec.motorcycles	type spesif vfr etc articl srgenprp frankb sad frank ball write vidar olaf solberg vidaro dhhalden wrote can letter spesif motorcycl model mean street bike parallel twin inlin cylind engin frank ball frankb sad work hmmm bike singl
rec.motorcycles	squid and dealer articl vxh auv cbnewsl att kstell cbnewsl att kevin stell write stuff chop part that concern and shop personel that not busi custom back member fire ride and obligatori reve beast thi point decid rubber katana deposit drive squid thought appal that salesdroid manag not condon thi behavior encourg point bet long and eg pull wheeli rode busi street rush hour girl that ride pillion anoth bike hormon thi displai and urg pilot quickli catch make kerker heard felt you gotta understand salesdroid you call thi burn lotsa tire make lotsa monei knew stupid you stop burn season worth tire squid bui metzel good low profil tire yep droid sneaki bastard regard ted univers toronto comput engin powerusersgroupchairman fzr take ride friend dod
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each jlevin hydro jodi levin write drive cage wave biker urg never yeah time nice spring summer dai roll window and drive for bike bike motor opposit direct stick arm and arm feel million buck thi thing cyclist problem ing cyclist hand lane hafta roll window and back thought regard ted univers toronto comput engin powerusersgroupchairman fzr take ride friend dod
rec.motorcycles	bike honda ascot articl contex contex frank marvin contex frank perdicaro fun want bui wait year bought hawk friend owner cycl shop andov bought year cost you not pai for hear can fit front end interceptor and great brake sound fun dude thi forum that trick second hand bike warn that fine mile good beginn bike reason seat posit power you and not scare bejeeb you tip and easi pick don simpl mainten had mine for year and haven had problem bought us for mile last week neighborhood stop whether thought good beginn bike comfort and power blah blah blah found us for mile reall trick mod heard front end hurrican and slide thi gui campaign two ascot so race pretti onc you strip starter light and assort street paraphernalia pretti fast and light bike andrew coll esv psuvm bitnet esv psuvm psu edu
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion irwin cmptrc lonestar org irwin arnstein write articl mj zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write ride sooner pillion hang bike find that weight can move and that can upset balanc bike pillion hold grabrail good don hang violent acceler take place hmmmmn don you ride your sweetheart dream
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli hei nick bounc postmast bnr that never heard user npet you sort gui toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr megatek randi megatek write you and chang law physic number us bandi shaft drive order effici chain drive closer that thi make chain drive effici hmmmmm maintain chain run oil rubber ring friction loss reach effici averag open dust ring motorcycl chain difficult job make effici toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl menudo edu ind rosi edu write bike luckili gui stop foot rear wheel understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest drove into that thi countri hopefulli lose licenc avoid simpl don stop cage stop besid front that act buffer toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit you such brain dead idiot drive toni toni kidson pgp kei request voic morgan tower cat had move mail order morgan road had top toni morgan demon bromlei machin tny cix compulink england honda dod compuserv
rec.motorcycles	not permen scratch wax dull finish minor scrath passnger fianc bandit hip pack rub tail and left nasti dull finish and teeni scratch rid buff wax advanc cathi cathi saum andrew cmu edu neglei av yamaha seca pgh custom wooden tank studio mustang dod supercalifragilisticexpealidoti
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list joe you felt piss your list disparag intend and interest that made you feel that not suggest that your list superfl that will not serv not boxer conting split net for list bob pasker rbp netcom
rec.motorcycles	hasti jnmoyn moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write hold second and clarifi for dwi stand for thought dui for drive influenc stand for jnm iowa owi oper influenc and omvi oper motor vehicl influenc gov chang omvi that peopl motor boat charg drunk drive eerik villberg peopl for eerik iastat edu eat harri street tasti am anim
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl apr hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write articl menudo edu ind rosi edu write anoth list thi felt helpless sit light car length car wise decsion suddenli hear screech tire dart ey mirror and realiz moroon fly panic pop clutch and stall bike luckili gui stop foot rear wheel understand you theoret stop car can you actual avoid such incid suggest anoth tip make you side lane thi you quicker escap rout jeff goss
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike articl dpd dc qmw david dc qmw dave edmondson write charl sundheim csundh ursa calvin edu wrote folk assembl info for film critic class final project bout big fau and halsei robert redford and that gui that bonni clyde good flick imho michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	max handl request jearl tekig pen tek jeffrei david earl wrote ntuvax ntu write can handson experi ride yamaha max pl kindli comment handl gui omrra race school last weekend number plate max didn practic lap push frame hard and drove into guard rail back straight portland intern racewai for max max handl ferget btw rider consciou and semi coher ambul cart that hate pick injur hope not semi coher sound good descript show track vmax place tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	live free quietli die egreen east sun green pixel cruncher wrote shz mare att keeper tude write egreen east sun green pixel cruncher write sound ludicr for biker advoc restrict bike bike forum don you mean motorcyclist hmmmmmmmmm can read thi two wai gotabik motorcyclist alcohol onc you alcohol you alcohol that friend posit tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	bmw boxer karr cornel edu david karr wrote mj sy uea mike sixsmith write for bmw boxer televis weekend not sinc recept and cabl not like ad and like tape yeh tough pick telli your situat sign type ad state don watch not real posit comment invit dealer introduct deck back rsvp tom coradeschi tcora pica armi mil usenet herd perform eleph diarrhea massiv difficult redirect aw inspir entertain and sourc mind boggl amount excrement you expect gene spafford
rec.motorcycles	yamaha lock cobra lock experi yamaha cyclelok harden steel kryptonit lock unlik lock hing place and open larg rectangl longer length lock fold real small you lock rear tire steel post for exampl curiou joint section stand attack toni toni jone ant crai uunet crai ant cmc codegener group softwar divis crai research inc lone oak drive eagan
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax and mail order articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write articl apr ac ucalgari parr ac ucalgari charl parr write bought miracl spoog chain lube wheel clean vfr goddamn competit accessori hasn mail order hell two week and order pretti bizzar stuff clear face sheild and can chain wax bastard for worth can dai chaparr that up ground ymmv stuff work and doesn attract grundg blue gave acid test full dai worth break quadrac paddl tire sand dune wet stickei will coat sand end dai chain look pretti clean recommend miracl spoog don dealer happen happen you you put deposit bike sigh chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	cobra lock articl apr hemlock crai ant palm crai toni jone write steve buni southwest chicago doc webrid central sun wrote post alt locksmith method for secur motorcycl respons refer cobra lock describ below come across store carri thi lock chicago area feedback us thi yamaha cyclelok almost long dirt photo motorcyclist harden steel kryptonit lock fold place extend lock rear tire tube park sign similar had experi easi attack lock joint section had for bike work fine rigid and nonflex that cyclelok yield instantli freez and break routin for want chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	adjust tappit part replac that need replc sproket chain and notic that engin tap local expert tappit that adjust attempt that advic had not shop manual read procedur chilton and place particularali car problem encount ride yamaha excit stop laugh tini shini matthew sheppard clarkson univers sheppamj sun soe clarkson edu bottl front frontal lobotomi anon don want pickl dod tep ride free etcetera
rec.motorcycles	want polic offic answer post thing last year mid decemb cop pull centigrad and start snow you live canada cop check licens insur ownership look frozen nose and finger told watch speed limit close and enter cruiser told didn ticket and slow that mention start snow safe ride stefan stefan ruhl german exchang student come honda you can run
rec.motorcycles	tour southwest kim fatciti ct kim sharp write tour sothwest utah mid june canyon you help hint stai thing avoid plan bryce zion arch grand close that point addit trip requir nice you for your support spring break corner area and back beauti stop made utah needl overlook thi bit east you highli recommend imho beauti grand canyon not mark pave road head north monticello order place clarifi that needl overlook and not recreat area head north monticello second turnoff and mark anticlin overlook anticlin overlook dirt thi matter you mile past needl overlook road overlook pave and maintain ran mph overlook god and world isn your you dan martin can stand thi prolifer paperwork martind spot useless fight form you kill peopl produc colorado edu vladimir kabaidz soviet plant manag
rec.motorcycles	bui bike etc bclark galaxi gov write lot post wanna bui bike gsxr cbr fzr good bike learn etc put togeth faq bui bike ravi us time bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov make that bui bike bike not gener good bike dean woodward you want step into world dean fring rain socio psychot state bliss virago gun rose world dod
rec.motorcycles	kinder gentler bmw mail list rbp netcom bob pasker write joe you felt piss your list disparag intend and interest that made you feel that you didn meant piss boxer owner piss bike owner and bike owner piss boxer owner and end noth owner rib disparag receiv return intention bout lack joe senner joe rider cactu org bmw mail list bmw rider cactu org austin area ride mail list ride rider cactu org
rec.motorcycles	back breaker hit articl snz morgan demon toni morgan demon write you such brain dead idiot drive unlik pass averag drive test requir puls singl digit state control licens requir that test that requir drive skill doubt blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax and mail order articl apr dsd bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl apr linu mitr org cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write vfr goddamn competit accessori hasn mail order hell two week and order pretti bizzar stuff clear face sheild and can chain wax bastard for worth can dai chaparr that up ground ymmv stuff work and doesn call and order put up tracer watch wait for home tonight dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl pbu sixgun east sun egreen east sun write drive impar for prosecut driver influenc varieti drug shame law drive stupid prevent kind accid dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	tour southwest articl fatciti ct kim fatciti ct kim sharp write tour sothwest utah mid june canyon you help hint stai thing avoid plan bryce zion arch grand close that point addit trip requir closer bryce bryce arch spend lot time studi map lot you can that area you want hit grand canyon california loop canyonland moab arch and back bryce zion home make you ride capitol reef and bryce number top road list nice booklet detail lot interest pave bywai and unpav backwai road can order utah travel council you can state map for ask utah bywai and backwai utah travel council council hall capitol hill salt lake citi blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl snz morgan demon toni morgan demon write articl apr megatek randi megatek write you and chang law physic number us bandi shaft drive order effici chain drive closer that thi make chain drive effici hmmmmm maintain chain run oil rubber ring friction loss reach effici averag open dust ring motorcycl chain difficult job make effici sourc for number thi stuff that blain gardner evan sutherland bgardner dsd
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli stafford stafford winona msu edu stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford write apr gmt xlyx vax cit cornel edu wheeli motorcycl shaft drive rear wheel come ground not front hop into air figur road minnesota pretti bad doubt that that bad never reali watch back tyre maxim will pull front wheel ground pop clutch admittedli easier back that rear tyre john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli eerik villberg peopl for eerik iastat edu eat harri street tasti am anim
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rec.motorcycles	moa member anoth letter read articl apr msstate edu vech msstate edu craig vechorik write moa er you read for trust you cecil king and that editor befor don douglass and pre candid you draw your conclus don your problem you cecil king and don douglass you don king and cecil adam rodnei king and beani cecil jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai
rec.motorcycles	black reflector tape month ago motorcycl mag articl that mention reflector tape that suppos bmw idea that tape black sunlight and reflect color night headlight sound nice add nighttim visibl turn bike into carniv attract talk local bmw dealer thi told that thing had heard thi kind reflector us come line bmw cloth rainsuit wasn awar appli tape come across thi bmw sourc steve buni sun microsystem dod itasca ama
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli xlyx vax cit cornel edu write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive erik astrup afm dod cbr cbr concour ninja thi eleven nigel tufnel lead guitar spinal tap
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax articl drutx att pm torrei att paul smith write articl rmugel apr oasun oracl rmugel oracl robert mugel write unsuccessfulli locat place that sell maxima chain wax dalla area retail outlet for thi area mail order purveyor anywher dalla area bought can for friend bike xlh mine belt hahahahaha for tax bate discount cycl part southbound servic road farmer branch coupl mile north interchang dozen can left neal howard xlh dod computrac inc richardson doh neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaim opinion mine not computrac learn dream gentlemen and perhap learn truth august kekul
rec.motorcycles	want polic offic answer post articl apr iscnvx lmsc lockhe jrlaf sgi msd lmsc lockhe laferrier write stuff delet question typic cop regard pull minor move violat roll stop unsign lane chang ish mph speed limit etc minor you put unsignal lane chang minor categori gui jeff goss
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl snz morgan demon toni morgan demon toni kidson write maintain chain run oil rubber ring friction loss reach effici averag open dust ring motorcycl chain difficult job make effici produc engin watt kilowatt dump into leetl tini ring that watt per ring hot doncha chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	advic for ride pillion reason origin like current guythingi becas had bmw sigh that music ear complain loi seat bmw passeng unobtrus echo movement and lean your rider shoulder that comfort turn shoulder insid turn found that phrase sack potato work pretti describ passeng act switch your hand guardrail stretch your shoulder and squeez your thigh you your rider you guard rail isn safe hold your rider long ride girlfriend nanci notic drift drone highwai wouldn awar thi hadn habit squeez butt knee hold good advic mellon mellon ncd uunet lupin mellon member leagu for program freedom find softwar patent cost you your program contact lpf uunet net
rec.motorcycles	yamaha lock cobra lock articl apr hemlock crai ant palm crai toni jone write experi yamaha cyclelok oooo hope noth had seca turbo had lock back wheel and forgot heard clunk drove leav lock broken ground real secur action beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk
rec.motorcycles	adjust tappit christoph karra cgkarra world std wrote thi adjust shim cam and valv question you bui full set shim start adjust process you calcul shim you and run dealer cage shim stock cheaper shim cost measur shim reliabl bui shim bui you cost lot bui full set and you won us had good luck calcul method never had chang size increment time never need chang larger size cost each for yamaha frank ball frankb sad work hewlett packard fax home vallei hous drive seca rohnert park wug law ama dod nra
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rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl arturo infmx arturo informix arturo vega write caught wave oncom motorcycl rider car not bike broken and walkin kyle cassidi cassidi rowan edu fire your gun onc dod
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike articl csundh ursa csundh ursa calvin edu charl sundheim write assembl info for film critic class final project man time thi thread come start jump and scream easi wheel easi wheel date thi absolut hyster basic plot thi report search for ring babysnatch blow road hot gang babe biker leather rescu wreck car desert xtian gospal biker band lead viet nam vet steel plate head that vision time time discov that gang babe kidnap children rais wolv reason thi complex and set stop and restor justic and order world funniest movi life kyle cassidi cassidi rowan edu fire your gun onc dod
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rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write sprai chain wax roller and sidepl occassion and rust will not problem regularli and michael michael nelson cbr internet nelson seahunt imat dod
rec.motorcycles	your advic rider inform that you give greatli appreci send repli account you back net chri melch cjmelch leo bsuvc bsu edu vivid imagin sez thi almost close enuff mail cjmelch leo bsuvc bsu edu user neal dod faq dod naw neal howard xlh dod computrac inc richardson doh neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaim opinion mine not computrac learn dream gentlemen and perhap learn truth august kekul
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write articl wduw nmrdc nmrdc nnmc navi mil dsc jf nmrdc nmrdc nnmc navi mil jim small write articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write stuff delet real honest good flamewar fire and even relev motorcycl amaz neal howard xlh dod computrac inc richardson doh neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaim opinion mine not computrac learn dream gentlemen and perhap learn truth august kekul
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rec.motorcycles	yamaha lock cobra lock lock includ kyptonit utyp easi break into person proper suppli and motiv minut and your bike glad explain dont want contribut unlaw activ sinc bike that hate rip such trival tactic warn lock alon safe deter theft thief doesnt locksmith lock picker walk your properti person motion alarm combin lock thi type fact you that concern bill
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rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr colorado edu laszlo eclips colorado edu laszlo nemeth write articl wr wslack wr wslack bill slack write post shafti can wheeli mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground good point john buddi mine told that thing had bmw dump clutch rpm hei ito nly rev and you folk shaft doesn diddleysquatpoop can front wheel ground ferchrissak you bounc front not wheeli shaft effect unload rear susspens and effectivli load front thi shaft bike acceler start scrape corner laz contradictori had nighthawk degress horizon and wasn bank turn hard part get front ground rev drop clutch even harder keep come us back brake throttl onc wheeli bike ethan ethan bowerman dod nighthawk hei cut yer hair man noth clear mind quit cheech and chong max tach and close mouth contain feet buri speedomet unknown
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl jnmoyn moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write dwi stand for danc idjit rai shea wound effect method unisql inc leah unisql rai utexa edu dai miss boon real bad dod team twinki hawk
rec.motorcycles	point for helmet law point for articl prcr prc terri prcr prc terri cunningham write articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write ban motorcycl not reason reason ey misinform and misunderstand public convers your attitud blind and apathet law book propos that ban motorcycl place that want motorcycl not allow mile drive pebbl beach jolli roger
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rec.motorcycles	bond cage cop akellei oracl alyn kellei write drove past turn car seat had notic nod and smile can for life figur friendli dod licens plate frame cop that mistook you for friend possibl duti cop dave your cloth your boot and your motorcycl arnold schwarzenegg
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rec.motorcycles	owner tankbag suggest want bgardner pebbl blain gardner write articl apr ncsu edu martenm chess ncsu edu mar marten write for tank bag and wonder you follow owner make suggest and not work for you larg flat ga tank imagin that almost work person quit happi eclips standard tank bag even bought piec krauser set and put sale for bux clear inventori never volkswagen tank bag guess btw late paul neill show trick pair plier that will extend life consider zipper start separ pull ag and wear squash pull bodi plier bit tighten back toss bag year ago thi fix and secur and reliabl chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	fortun guzzler bar bar articl apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write charl parr tue apr gmt wibbl articl apr bnr npet bnr nick pettefar write satan rode bike you stop true motorcyclist real ride attitud you awar fire rec moto test for thi attribut god ride vincent white lightn rightou inject wear piec leather suit match boot helmet and glove you worri road rash chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl wr wslack wr wslack bill slack write post shafti can wheeli mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground good point john buddi mine told that thing had bmw dump clutch rpm hei ito nly rev and you folk shaft doesn diddleysquatpoop can front wheel ground ferchrissak you noth will strike bmw kei fob ostrich feather dip silli putti and varnish solid lure come and inhal lead swivel dog pretti difficult worsen troll scheme thi low chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	stori articl csundh ursa csundh ursa calvin edu charl sundheim write lynn pacesett lynn hall write lynn pacesett lynn hall write descript pretti rowdi sound parti and stereotyp erc whacha mean ifin want stereotyp that like drink beer and watch love ladi displai beauti bodi that stereotyp you refer stereotyp infer neg you notic didn rape pillag burn town left mucho buck monei town think town like lynn hall no bro bein themfolk tend compos fair piec popul bein that regard biker loud irrespons irrever reprob rabbl doesn sound attend fact rider friend sound lot townful lynn descript crowd get invit back parti year year you didn rape and pillag relief that you such gentlemen you not complet hand you justifi your lesser indescret pretti distort think you bent shape lesser indiscret town peopl aren ruffl indiscret and partyer aren indiscret don amount threaten damag harmless good natur rowdi consent adult thing that bother descript knee deep empti beer can street town had plan deal that sinc help set parti place live and biker previou visit had establish record mutual cooper and good intent stick and parti ride into night impair and hurt kill notic that you left mucho buck monei nevermind critic line forgot that leav mucho buck monei behavior permiss perhap even justifi doesn hurt and parti parti benefit and entir activ benign and harmless permit justifi you you that mind that themfolk that give biker get kill elect offici institut draconian legisl helmet law gun control etc that don respect right road not respect rest time iron townsfolk minor that don happen fit stereotyp you describ develop friendli long term mutual benefici relationship group motorcyclist and aren burden ignor gener popul continu such exist sure come continu wear your stigma badg time you whine and effect valu rememb that behavior righteou wuss that bai for thi long you righteou wuss part chuck roger car torrei att you heard run danger crowd ain pretti ain proud laughin bit loud that never hurt you that good die young
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl wayn orwig worwig atlantaga ncr wayn orwig atlantaga ncr wayn orwig write wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike impos due shaft effect centripit effect rotat shaft counteract tendenc for front wheel lift ground last two motorcycl shaft driven and will wheeli rear gear climb ring gear and lift rear odd feel wheeli feed frenzi ti april rec moto and newbi bitin catch you want make chuck roger car torrei att
rec.motorcycles	paint job articl zen sy uea mj sy uea mike sixsmith write lisa alex lisa rowland write can recommend good place for price bike paint job prefer not essenti london area dream machin exampl work and pretti good midland dream machin qualiti ain us kinet art great paint job bimota don roger collier sun sun microsystem coventri england dod gsxr keeper gsxr list
rec.motorcycles	not permen scratch catherin barbara saum andrew cmu edu write wax dull finish minor scrath passnger fianc bandit hip pack rub tail and left nasti dull finish and teeni scratch rid buff wax car accessori shop sell stuff call cut fine cut past for paint and thi will remov dull finish and minor acratch will remov traffic film and stuff that you don realis and give your paintwork origin lustr and shine can sometim react badli metal paint carefulli town stuff appli wax polish and will btw don confus cut cut past us for grind valv principl coars vastli mike
rec.motorcycles	bmw frame set for sale for sale trade bmw frame and misc convert earl fork packag includ frame swingarm and earl fork final drive rear fender front fender larg tank steel wheel lace spoke rim us rim bracket brake hdware footrest etc colour scheme us origin bmw option bristol grei item not paint earl rigid section straighten thi rigid section bent receiv not mount frame earl swingarm and headlight shell paintthat us and can finish paint item desir stripe holt design not includ engin gearbox electr seat thi clean and tidi project project termin due lack time and engin that us transfer anoth project prefer sell packag negoti can includ packag will not separ paint item will spare trade mail inquiri carl
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rec.motorcycles	counterst not question lotto laura harvard edu jerri lotto write specif abil understand techniqu absent hurt measur abil rider swerv
rec.motorcycles	polic ossif read thi stuff articl athena uga edu ahatch athena uga edu allan hatcher write lurk for long time announc enemi allan you happen gui watch drive white toyota rout atsugi and hiratsuka you not even close enemi john gaijin japan sun sun microsystem atsugi japan
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rec.motorcycles	dod pin not articl apr skcla monsanto mpmena skcla monsanto write bad new order compani up minimum order for manufactur wire order pin result low number pin releg run bin result that anoth week name and number pin place that peopl call bitch order our get speed thing dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	vfr owner hidden featur articl world std dave world std dave dorfman write enjoi lunch thi saturdai foodi milford assort nedod folk dean cookson not left countri mention that wire diagram vfr show that light switch posit switch switch continu section wire diagram thi low high dean dean cookson dcookson mitr org dod ama mitr corp burlington bedford kotnml kotb road shepherd and not stop vfr sam eliott road hog mtv bianchi limit
rec.motorcycles	want bmw insur tip articl apr infodev cam idb cu cam benham write market for bui bmw ideal interest for sale ag not problem interest good exampl massiv amount mile and maintain intend and for time sound advic regard insur licenc for year accid claim convict bmw owner club insur will wait year ian futur beemer owner articl repeat due larg amount articl sinc
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax articl itu myrddin imat nelson seahunt imat michael nelson write articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write sprai chain wax roller and sidepl occassion and rust will not problem regularli and michael you had accident seal water clean chain short ride dry and heat bit and paraffin sank deep into roller and form good seal rust live tucson dod asphaug hindmost lpl arizona edu kawi zephyr erik asphaug bmw
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rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax articl itu myrddin imat nelson seahunt imat michael nelson write articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write sprai chain wax roller and sidepl occassion and rust will not problem regularli and interest can that haven wear mile us stuff ninja and bike stai soooo clean check back thousand mile subject whereinthehel can find endless chain dealer rivet type master link not accept chri behanna dod fxwg wide glide jubile red ladi behanna syl nec babi bike disclaim nec name agre thi rais pack wild corn dog
rec.motorcycles	not permen scratch articl sfppisk hpo andrew cmu edu catherin barbara saum andrew cmu edu write passnger fianc bandit hip pack rub tail and left nasti dull finish and teeni scratch rid buff wax realis you hope fix you plan us cut care sunlight fade paint and cut remov surfac layer older bike sunni you live colour cut panel wont match rest bike bob bob morlei pipex public exchang dod cambridg scienc park ogrit milton road cbr cambridg eli district mcc england
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rec.motorcycles	want borrow rent bike boston thi summer thi summer juli wife michel and will boston attend brother wed wed plan motor bar harbor main visit rel for dai summer made find bike bike borrow rent ride bar harbor and back import detail ride for year bike for past year michel ride for past year bike involv accid caus cage driver run stop sign bmw michel own yamaha virago prefer cruis race tour fair amount licens and insur and nice peopl bike bike second virago equal low seat that will loan for dai juli michel and etern grate addit friendship you us bike you pass minneapoli exchang happi you and guest for dinner and even wild bike stori even will cough monei for improv bike tire inform bike rental boston area greatli appreci scott brandt
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rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl catnip berkelei bandi catnip berkelei andrew scott beal sss write infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write sinc occur paid dollar renumer drunk class and listen righteou asshol that your rest world you never had your suare devil made yeah found beelzebub insid worm yeah that vodka gordon rememb correctli didn even bui that reason drank that night never andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl jnmoyn moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write articl qeb sixgun east sun egreen east sun green pixel cruncher wrote bill breez hous lower intoxif level face stiff opposit senat recent highwai patrol opposit senat and gave shot and hit put dodg cone fail and will chang vote result drink don senat that fat driven limo good driver mater drink had jnm yeah shit that jerk loch faircloth that couldn win elect democrat switch republican year thi past elect and take terri sanford bitch and moan campaign typic senat hous gubner race swear kick jess helm head chanc fuck clue rest world live andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	want polic offic answer post you expect cop answer honestli you gotta expect cop honest that anoth stori andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl stafford stafford winona msu edu stafford vax winona msu edu john stafford write articl wr wslack wr wslack bill slack wrote folk shaft doesn diddleysquatpoop can front wheel ground ferchrissak statement true spirit list fals statement misinform that spirit bill will wheeli chain drive model wow that custom made chain drive for slashfiv can wheeli and real squiddli andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	motorcycl appar place msf commun colleg that woudl preclud sort state subsid andi infant you can listen fact remain bmw that you and thing dod joan sutherland opinion dammit noth
rec.motorcycles	vfr owner hidden featur articl world std dave world std dave dorfman write enjoi lunch thi saturdai foodi milford assort nedod folk dean cookson not left countri mention that wire diagram vfr show that light switch posit switch high beam low beam beam actual ergonom switch make posit switch deam expect you balanc toggl switch center posit high and low beam thi nice light coverag road thi true for and vfr and expect for late model honda standard two posit light switch dean for read schemat you bit care thi us balanc switch avec cibi insert that beam eventu fri main ignit switch wasn design pass that sort current ivan reid paul scherrer institut ivan cvax psi gsx you porsch pass dod
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl apr siemen mxcrew gud siemen crew wrote for stupid question you american mean shaft drive dictionari strang mean schaft stiel pfeil strahl well deichsel schacht shaft bamboozl beat beguil burn flame deceiv hoax hoodwink drive campaign crusad push shaft drive campaign deciev crusad beguil effort true spirit thi list wheel revolut swing crusad beguil innefect revolut and cannot swing shaft drive cannot wheeli john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl cbnewsj att car cbnewsj att charl roger write produc engin watt kilowatt dump into leetl tini ring that watt per ring hot doncha chuck roger car torrei att hei thi work you strap gener fzjrr krx and rout output chain increas horsepow meter sec pretti nice and blow goldw nitro dod big maroon audac don blame vote libertarian
rec.motorcycles	yamaha honda opinion nuet pt mot keith nuetzman write hte market for bike for year two main bike yamaha virago and honda shadow vlx lean yamaha for shaft drive honda chain insur fla costli thought stai thi power rang advanc for opinion and experi friend mine read thi bought yamaha virago spend hour late chilli even watch struggl bolt had remov peg loosen brake pedal pretti decid never thi model chang oil filter for compar minut chang us for honda thi design flaw oversight ey patricia phj remu rutger edu
rec.motorcycles	bike short bean cgd ucar edu gregori bean write friend shop for motorcycl thi great seat thi not great thing found and unhappi check bike hope for lowish seat for week honda twinstar fit honda hawk not kawasaki can rememb look fit price tag larg rememb thread point similar thi pass month ago that list post thi list mail patricia phj remu rutger edu
rec.motorcycles	maxima chain wax wheeli yfn ysu edu john daker write offoci nomin maxima chain wax anoth offici dod product choic offici dod product choic list parti post erc faq plenti recheck
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl bbnv quantum qnx dagibb quantum qnx david gibb write similar note for drove wesfalia thi camper van convers found that driver thi model wave and wave back drive funni vehicl van driver support for drive such underpow pathet and utilitarian vehicl and us wave and wave across countri and that live cal find you damn wave your arm van driver thi vee dub heaven peac taff mike taff disclaim thi mtaff ucsd edu
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike articl dpd dc qmw david dc qmw dave edmondson write eat peach two gui build wall death allevi boredom mix ira process excel movi not essenti motorcycl poignant life rural ireland dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	volvo attack articl apr fluent dartmouth edu write cookson mbunix mitr org cookson write can rocket launcher for vfr batf fire sale waco you rec model rocket newsgroup interest stuff classifi artilleri dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	for movi bike silver dream racer frustrat brit club racer buddi di leav built garag revolutionari experiment bike brit club racer machin beat bad american bad japanes factori bike british film silverston pretti bad dave tharp dod you can wear davet interceptor cd tek mra indian scout indian chief ahrma brother chief ama built rock velorex nsu max knock bmw compuls harlei that employ idea joiner give you grief
rec.motorcycles	magnet tank bag disk won eras you carri bag cathi cathi saum andrew cmu edu neglei av yamaha seca pgh custom wooden tank studio mustang dod supercalifragilisticexpealidoti feel feel can mcnalli your heart stop
rec.motorcycles	us gsx for sale recent sold nighthawk order upgrad zippi sport bike partial bigger zippi bike gsx town for sale and not whether part not send email you sell for sale offer detail perform even you wouldn sell hypeman pontiac mercuri topaz for bike babi booom mr babi booom gsx modif construct cbr like vfr
rec.motorcycles	get behav manag front suspens happi rear suck can make feel bike stabl corner front straight bumpi rear tortur feel amplifi bump and damp doesn real life you can differ bike isn move sag completelei unload don rear thi bike comfort and kind set esp sag you us corner kidnei remain intact thi thing make feel comfi rbarn sdcc ucsd edu
rec.motorcycles	your opinion and mean articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant write sinc occur paid dollar renumer drunk class and listen righteou asshol that your rest world you never had your suare aren that fuck stupid you cock suck asshol that haven had suare soo impress that you had spend your preciou dollar make for your stupid act fuck friend kill drunk drive asshol andress infant children friend orphan drunk drive asshol infant righteou asshol you weak will fuck head hate can bite
rec.motorcycles	batteri storag not charg and store dry quit your batteri perfectli alright and retain charg drain and dri throw electrolyt and bui you and wrong rememb that batteri almost come readi charg and dry and perfectli even year storag shop mark fox
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff allan hatcher ahatch athena uga edu wrote lurk for long time announc enemi enemi that happen ride arrest red vfr don gener polic offic enemi hope you don biker gener that attitud stereotyp suck entertain question answer will reflect georgia law and not appli your state nomex suit for sale you shouldn flame for cop can promis you won jerk thi newsgroup you lurk for you that you lot flame you convinc peopl that you you badg and you will moder amount flamag for express opinion matter opinion will flame you for you order offici dod paraphenalia wristwatch bandana patch your boss your undercov real badass biker gang bill ranck bill ranck edu comput center virginia polytchn inst state univ blacksburg
rec.motorcycles	dyna crane articl qpzo hdq cbnewsm att shz mare att keeper tude write plan switch singl fire ignit month and curiou experi supposedli crane singl fire that compet dyna club wrench not wench dyna modul for friend and bunch folk crane gui instal power arc ignit not report result not simpl bolt replac mount hole had drill recogn fun discuss chri need chang brand peni enhanc bout comment singl fire ignit for instal power arc and run great us coil and ignit modul coil requir mount hole drill fxstc solder and fine static time real easi set side coin local wrench opinion invari seek don adopt think power arc piec shit and jap chip gonna fail you dai needless doesn electron ignit modul and recommend dyna system that hall effect time sensor correct russ hugh fxstc dod chrome and steel ride collidin air breath young
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust articl apr research nec behanna syl nec chri behanna write articl apr bnr dave dal farra gpz bnr write remind great editori bruce reev coupl month ago cycl canada piss cop pull speeder danger spot and blind corner that dai decid reveng cruis factori loaner zzr test bike notic cop had pull motorist ramp almost shoulder bright lad hit bike kill switch pass cop happen bend offend motorist expos glute pass world ignit system dead pump throtl two time fill exhaust canist volatil raw fuel stab kill switch light ignit and send flame sargeant swell direct cycl cop read cycl canada agre spirit action hope that rider poni take replac exhaust system destroi owner manual explicitli warn such behavior for exactli that reason you can destroi your mufler that good reason for straight pipe megaphon regard charl dod opti oil sell direct case load loacl dealership charg for jug injector oil and break span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time struck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl new duke edu infant acpub duke edu andrew infant wrote will wheeli chain drive model wow that custom made stock setup put end confus bmw chain drive boxer didn post faq thi time ago essenc describ problem bmw decis settl shaft drive standard vacil and persist reintroduc chain drive model gosh crusad john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	zeno counterst paradox unveil articl apr acfclust nyu edu mullignj acfclust nyu edu wrote point time even front wheel turn straight ahead point turn left you describ that transit point front wheel revers direct turn backward john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	two beemer question articl apr organpip uug arizona edu asphaug lpl arizona edu erik asphaug write folk happi rang mile gallon that mpg surprisingli bike real cruiser expect rough sweet backroad honei and can pretti anyplac mountain bike shaft effect torqu effect crankshaft opinion rev sit driveshaft not move and bike twist bit clutch larg chunk counter rotat mass not rotat light reve make twist shaft effect rear end rise power real problem get lower road throttl snap shut you corner and head real close road bike paralev shaft almost shaft effect don ride fast shaft effect opinion buffet wind greater consequ question recommend for home made fair wind chest and perhap helmet for comfort highwai speed mph don want screw stabil block vision for trail ride luck two piec detach fair make plexigla run two light standard headlamp sidelamp mount crash bar illumin excel that full beam come level motor left side lamp beam linear that you bright streak illumin left and pick peripheri deer lurk etc combin headlamp high you can dai heard that bmw altern don crank shut sidelamp putter dirt low rpm question long you spend low rpm and you extra light low rpm and don charg that altern put suffici wattag that you rpm thi embarass troubl start bike thing morn invari flood carb and read section paper and start thi zen thing full choke open ga tap hit starter and slightli blip throttl fire crank minim throttl like throttl rais bit idl experi thing zen hard describ can hard learn you aren pai atttent differ success and failur you piss and flatten batteri run bike sit for week give short start doesn turn and wait minut for thing vapor fuel system and light dual plug make easier start hayn manual not circumst us gasolin alcohol addit yeah you folk due engin and carb eaten ethanol and methanol brand ga that addit big fix bing carb upgrad kit good for mpg and part alcohol proof part replac aren alcohol proof long bike isn sit for long period time gasohol nice sinc help ping your bike doesn ping cheap ga you rais compress half smilei bmw twin and lower compress epa happi dual plug and higher compress give back big chunk lost perfom neil kirbi dod nak archi cbusa att bell lab columbu usa you speak for you lawyer sens
rec.motorcycles	good reason wave each articl hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write drive cage wave biker urg never neigh dai don notic post take for select quot thi articl articl hydro jlevin hydro jodi levin write win green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	point for helmet law point for articl agat berkelei edu manish uclink berkelei edu manish vij write motorcycl not allow mile drive pebbl beach post sign cite you for don close access road you pai you don resid sticker and simpli don open gate you bike green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	hasti articl moustic lbl gov jnmoyn lbl gov jean noel moyn write recent highwai patrol opposit senat and gave shot and hit put dodg cone fail and will chang vote result drink dunno newpap articl read didn wonder thing doubt green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli articl snz morgan demon toni morgan demon toni kidson wrote maintain chain run oil rubber ring friction loss reach effici averag open dust ring motorcycl chain difficult job make effici citat thi impressionist specul your part for year labor delus that chain drive effici that shaft drive chain drive stronger success shafti dragster flame kind drive john stafford minnesota state univers winona standard disclaim appli
rec.motorcycles	ignit problem snark bmerh bnr eric nelson write nighthawk two relat problem ignit system won start cold morn give ga start even clutch thi happen tune and batteri idea wrong bike you choke starter jet block and even idl manuel arrevola velasco mail manolo taf fundesco fundesco call alcala madrid dod tel don wast your time express
rec.motorcycles	time biker iso advic start motorcycl read subject bit talk friend ride bike and encourag kind bike vari answer larg athlet build suppos that determin size bike want want that fast and power satisfi crave onc us want that not bronc time idea bill repli prefer mail advanc
rec.motorcycles	vfr owner hidden featur warn warn unpleas articl world std dave world std dave dorfman write enjoi lunch thi saturdai foodi milford assort nedod folk dean cookson not left countri mention that wire diagram vfr show that light switch posit switch high beam low beam beam actual ergonom switch make posit switch deam expect you balanc toggl switch center posit high and low beam thi nice light coverag road thi true for and vfr and expect for late model honda standard two posit light switch make break type switch not requir for high low beam wee problem thi you us filament time bulb toss great deal heat normal possibl shorten life span honda crx cage cage that want bike had wimpi stock light us run beam made mucho big differ low beam filament di simultan thi two week find nice us beam replac light quartz halogen light and that end problem neil kirbi dod nak archi cbusa att bell lab columbu usa you speak for you lawyer sens
rec.motorcycles	suzuki for sale articl crosspost sdnet forsal rec motocycl author michael jame post apr gmt sell motorcycl tempter mile and run includ cover and tank bag ask for mail you want michael jame jame mintaka sdsu edu michael jame jame mintaka sdsu edu neat sig
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rec.motorcycles	shaft drive and wheeli hpcc corp gharriso hpcc corp graem harrison write hpcc rec motorcycl xlyx vax cit cornel edu apr wheeli motorcycl shaft drive mike terri virago real question can wheeli lead wing high front wheel ground graem harrison gui earli pre fair wing hannigan and ride wai pretti intimid sight real good had guess you wouldn chop throttl onc jorg klinger gsxr you arch eng servic lost horizon umanitoba man embalm anonym squidonk
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rec.motorcycles	dog bike encount dog chase bike poker run big german shepard ran into pack bike ride and bite leg gui ride front kick dog coupl time mph and made dog angrier and appli wfo and outrun dog start time had open drag pipe obnoxi loud hell and dog feet side bike pull clutch and rev motor rpm and roar pipe frighten dog made dog ear hurt hell and didn come back for rest biker second encount deceas road kill dog wasn pai close attent pavement car front straddl carcass look time run held handlebar and freak wheel squar dog belli thump thump run piec lumber bike didn lose stabil and destin found bit fur meat and blood stuck bottom motor and frame gross neal howard xlh dod computrac inc richardson doh neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaim opinion mine not computrac learn dream gentlemen and perhap learn truth august kekul
rec.motorcycles	dod confession articl apr bnr mbeav bnr write can ration everytim happen uncontrol hate pre motorcycl crud delet beav mike beavington dod sabr mbeav bnr employ idea talk you miss lot neat ride tuba irwin honk computrac richardson irwin cmptrc lonestar org dod
rec.motorcycles	put your helmet articl uupcb compdyn questor org ryan cousineau compdyn questor org ryan cousineau write anoth good place for your helmet your mirror kid you not you typic standard bike fairli averag mirror that screw into your handlebar your helmet fit your mirror and fairli stabl butt butt car neak and whhheeeeelllleeee tchum and chick dig put helmet mirror inadvis you rest weight helmet fragil foam liner that expect cushion your noggin and onc crush that foam never pop back variat mirror hang thing bike sidestand hei centerstand for mainten turn wheel stop left and can hang helmet chin bar grip crushabl foam chin bar and pretti secur long fork lock leav helmet park bike and bag aren full that stabl place dave svoboda svoboda void rtsg mot get tire concour mmmmmmmmmm beat you dave ring ding woop you never learn ama dod cog chicago beth bruiser dixon
rec.motorcycles	flame exhaust hei lone biker apocalyps rais arizona had flame come exhaust pipe love toggl kill switch sportster produc flame backfir underneath overpass night loud and light underpass neal howard xlh dod computrac inc richardson doh neal cmptrc lonestar org std disclaim opinion mine not computrac learn dream gentlemen and perhap learn truth august kekul
rec.motorcycles	funni thing happen hon articl elan rowan edu cassidi elan rowan edu kyle cassidi write and that for past mile ride side stand oop and that insist sidestand cutout switch tachomet curs god green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	riceburn respect articl qiwz djm cbnewsm att shz mare att keeper tude write consol that had troubl scrape togeth not quit week beer monei for roid you can afford harlei keith schauer texa instrument plain texa custom dod insan societi sane man insan ama compani disavow knowledg action
rec.motorcycles	bike honda shadow and intrud you heard bike plan long time ride twin cruiser bike dont want massiv goldw
rec.motorcycles	wing ding wed apr gmt frank hercul uregina derek frank frank thi post dod you dod you feel free fill your rtaraz wpi wpi edu todai tank and good dai for ride dod tauru die
rec.motorcycles	xxxx mean polic offic read thi stuff articl oav vtserf edu ranck joesbar edu ranck write and you will moder amount flamag for express opinion matter opinion will flame you for bill ranck bill ranck edu hei hell you mean that you suck god express opinion carri gun and not wear helmet goddamn you stand for stupid you alan thi tommi mcguir mcguir utexa edu mcguir austin ibm will append disclaim outgo public inform identifi person and independ ibm
rec.motorcycles	counterst san hand articl rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write bore bike tourer can you steer san han push your bodi side you want lean lean you want turn left sever confus rambl ground push front wheel trail ground push front wheel left contact patch trail will wheel turn hei hand counter steer conterst refer push insid handlebar effect lean hand counterst oxymoron green ninjait drink last night biker green east sun and show pictur you dod you grate dead
rec.motorcycles	bub pipe live free variabl loud fail state hampshir nois gestapo test slash cut pipe instal bub had plan spection station and pass problem two point don dude nois test correctli hold meter close bodi caus high read and insid garag door close undoubtedli enhanc level rider thi make inspect outdoor meter held bodi second bub pipe bloodi terrif low rev cruis town quiet stock pipe sound that throati pur rumbl you open rpm emit wonderfulli satisfi rumbl roar world russ hugh fxstc dod chrome and steel ride collidin air breath young
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rec.motorcycles	yamaha honda opinion previou articl phj remu rutger edu nuet pt mot keith nuetzman write friend mine read thi bought yamaha virago spend hour late chilli even watch struggl bolt had remov peg loosen brake pedal pretti decid never thi model chang oil filter for compar minut chang us for honda thi design flaw oversight ey patricia phj remu rutger edu don bike work wasn virago own and and you can filter chang min and noth remov bike modifi stock machin simpl work watch for imit lloyd freenet carleton carr carr uranu dgrc doc dod fhc osq amrp org eon can
rec.motorcycles	batteri storag not charg and store dry articl apr mnemosyn edu mfox nyx edu mark fox quit your batteri perfectli alright and retain charg drain and dri throw electrolyt and bui you and wrong rememb that batteri almost come readi charg and dry and perfectli even year storag shop mark fox make sens steel manufactur and store put oil won rust logicali you store your bike you strip paint and put oil metal prevent ru
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rec.motorcycles	advantag slip on articl apr krono arc nasa gov dschlot pioneer arc nasa gov dave schlotthauer write quick question advantag slip versu your stock exhaust versu aftermarket exhaust system don peopl slip heavili advertis and half expens dave cost lower oem replac and weigh instanc you not rejet carburetor perform replac oem canist ontario system slip mid rang perform notic slight stumbl rpm talk kaz yoshima develop and manufactur slip think larger pilot idl jet not suppos live make differ altitud barometr pressur that minor glitch slip perform and sound louder stock not loud annoi folk ontario slip us sort sound baffl techniqu reduc sound full throttl rememb bike tune system you chang intak exhaust characterist allow delta manufactur you chang area compens complet chang exhaust system header and muffler exhaust characterist point jet requir compens for engin breath pump profil talk folk make slip you intend us and us your bike check peopl system slip last data point sport rider issu review group header and exhaust system for cbr includ side bar ontario slip dyno show increas stock bhp rear wheel vers buyer bewar outrag claim increas hors power true past not todai cbr allen tobia technic email convex comput corp market tobia convex waterview parkwai richardson thi bike awesom and fearless jai gleason
rec.motorcycles	advantag slip on articl rigoj isl appl paul thompson thompson appl write nice start make replac for oem exhaust that cheaper not louder read supertrapp system call that suppos quiet pass european standard appar not market yoshimura make system that suppos kind quiet light plan get system and will post result mark mark burnham markb novel ama dod alfa romeo gtv ninja
rec.motorcycles	funni thing happen dmv dai thi post and bring interest event mind articl mdenni beryllium mdenni xerox matt denni write reaction boi enthusiast wave and good wave kid that notic bike figur help futur sport admit that parent figur notic afraid that kid will yell for associatign anti societ type week ago dmv ken stand mile long line wait for bore person fleec bunch peopl dough ken sit chair helmet wonder look social calibur peopl you find laundromat young woman walk requir confer attent and stood line watch fill form and notic kid year reach bench and touch helmet time didn mind and ken that kid touch helmet that helmet weren stabl platform ken scoot resettl and touch helmet mother child start shriek kid you stai you shit and whop tyke brutal head and shoulder suppos scari sex drug and unix shirt that such bout terror bodi
rec.motorcycles	stori respect articl apr pacesett lynn pacesett lynn hall write nuditi fine loud nois fine parti night fine place and time not trampl right and bitch don treat god michael menard you wasn even respond thi typic anti parti attitud messag trash reason not dipsi dumpster for massiv crowd oatman wasn prepar for vast number peopl that show don michael respons anti parti pro environment agre that you gotta hog roam onc awhil hope that year oatman will prepar and that pick ourselv asshol admit asshol time net friend asshol lyric song you want dime call that care for thought you told good stori even you you hole biker experi written new unfortun that you flame for tell thi controversi group rate good work and continu post stori jerri fxdl
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soc.religion.christian	elder brother articl apr atho rutger edu rexlex fnal gov write articl apr atho rutger edu shrum hpfcso matt main highwai and you find invit wed feast hmmmmmm sound your theologi and christ odd thi parabl jesu tell parabl wed feast kingdom heaven king made marriag for son wed cloth customari and chose attend thi man refus wear cloth wed cloth equaliv cloth righteous jesu di for sin cloth provid that man decis put cloth
soc.religion.christian	god love you come across excel tract bit lengthi for post thought share you feel free pass you feel benefit god richli bless read kind question that can read see sign tract book and bumper sticker that god love you isn that true true that god offer love world read quot vers bibl for god love world that gave begotten son that whosoev believeth not perish everlast life john god love qualifi bibl wick abomin lord loveth that followeth righteous proverb for lord knoweth righteou ungodli perish psalm not wick decent moral person sure good life outweigh bad can vers appli god standard righteous even moral person look god desper sinner hell bibl teach that good heaven contrari sinner and guilti god written righteou not that understandeth that seeketh god roman heart deceit thing and desper wick can jeremiah such wick person god sight will god bibl teach that end world wick will come etern punish place call hell for fire kindl mine anger and burn lowest hell and consum earth increas and set fire foundat mountain will heap mischief will spend mine arrow burnt hunger and devour burn heat and bitter destruct will send teeth beast poison serpent dust deuteronomi come hell not real sure thing not that bad hell real and thing that bad for individ ual not lord jesu christ savior bibl make refer hell indic that etern and consist perpetu suffer and whosoev not found written book life cast into lake fire revel end world angel come and sever wick and cast into furnac fire wail and gnash teeth matthew lord jesu reveal heaven mighti angel flame fire take vengeanc that not god and that obei not gospel lord jesu christ punish everlast destruct presenc lord and glori power thessalonian that terribl god creat hell hell terribl and exist god creat man account god for action god perfect justic demand payment for sin for wage sin death roman for judgment seat christ that receiv thing bodi that hath whether good bad corinthian you that idl word that men speak give account thereof dai judgment matthew that mean that end world will brought life judg and hell that can find substitut bear punish etern damnat for sin that god earth jesu christ bear wrath god for sheep astrai turn and lord hath laid iniqu isaiah wound for transgress bruis for iniqu chastis peac and stripe heal isaiah for deliv you that receiv that christ di for sin scriptur and that buri and that rose dai scriptur corinthian for hath made sin for knew sin that made righteous god corinthian you that trust christ substitut punish for sin will not worri hell anymor thi believ christ savior stood judgment throne god christ substitut paid for sin that believeth son hath everlast life and that believeth not son not life wrath god abideth john mean agre that bibl christ savior save hell believ christ mean lot agre mind truth bibl mean that hang live mean that entrust part live truth bibl mean that turn sin and serv christ lord man can serv two master for will hate and love will hold and despis cannot serv god and mammon matthew repent and convert that your sin blot time refresh come presenc lord act you that escap hell jesu religion will follow hell cannot escap fact that god hold account for sin god demand that pai for sin religion cannot provid substitut bear sin follow christ bear guilt and save salvat for name heaven men save act jesu truth and life man cometh father john confess sin faith and forgiv sin and cleans unright john desper not want hell can you rememb that god can you you throw altogeth merci god you your hopeless condit sinner cry god save you and publican stand afar not lift ey heaven smote breast god merci sinner luke sir save and lord jesu christ and thou shalt save act can christ wonderfulli god not save lord jesu faith you can prai god that will give you faith jesu christ your savior for grace save faith and that not gift god ephesian god work bibl give that faith you mean busi god your salvat you us opportun hear and studi bibl word god thi brochur vers bibl indent paragraph give heed your heart faith cometh hear and hear word god roman thi mean that surrend god god come total humil acknowledg sin and helpless trust total sacrific god broken spirit broken and contrit heart god thou wilt not despis psalm sinner love sin begin prai god for intens hatr sin and sincer desir salvat will begin turn sin god strengthen that sin send hell you god rais son jesu bless you turn you iniqu act doesn bibl teach that attend church regularli and baptiz will save thing will not save work kind can secur salvat salvat god sovereign gift grace merci and good plea ur salvat not work man boast ephesian will happen end world trust jesu savior will transform into gloriou etern bodi and will christ forev for lord descend heaven shout voic archangel and trump god and dead christ rise aliv and remain caught togeth cloud meet lord air and lord thessalonian will happen earth that time god will destroi entir univers fire and creat heaven and earth christ will reign believ forev dai lord will come thief night heaven pass great nois and element melt fervent heat earth and work that burn nevertheless promis for heaven and earth dwelleth righteous peter bibl give idea end earth will come end will come christ save plan save and thi gospel kingdom preach world for wit nation and end come matthew can close end world god inform bibl time histori world and tell that dai lord will come thief night for unsav will not come thief for believ evid bibl that end world and return christ close time clue bibl point thi for peac and safeti sudden destruct cometh travail woman child and not escap thessalonian sure lord god will noth revealeth secret servant prophet amo that mean judgment dai almost god warn ancient nineveh that destroi that great citi and gave forti dai warn and jonah began enter into citi dai journei and cri and forti dai and nineveh overthrown jonah peopl nineveh king humbl god repent sin and cri god for merci man and beast cover sackcloth and cry mightili god yea turn evil and violenc that hand can god will turn and repent and turn fierc anger that perish not jonah god hear prayer god save great peopl nineveh can cry god for merci that will not come into judg ment time becom save even that time becom short escap neglect great salvat began spoken lord and confirm that heard hebrew god salvat and glori rock strength and refug god trust time peopl pour your heart god refug for psalm book entitl written harold camp present biblic inform that end time for inform obtain copi receiv free program guid and list radio station you can hear gospel program write famili radio oakland california unit state amer ica call forego copi god love you tract print and free charg famili radio number minor made layout facilit comput print and distribut chang text paragraph describ biblic passag text origin tract ital letter indent paragraph read camp book compar bibl actual find credibl research respect futur hold that come across and agre that data ignor guarante second life and matter christ will return that natur tendenc postpon care etern destini feel that death immin even senseless likelihood law averag respect life expect longer appli you obtain copi thi book that you can check fact for you find inform help titl author harold camp publish vantag press distributor baker and taylor isbn chosen share thi tract you heartedli agre declar and feel that perhap thi inform made paraphras act not shun declar counsel god will discuss etern truth bibl interest issu real import sinc will spend compar speak time thi side grave and feel free touch time mail davem bnr offic home dave mielk grenon avenu ottawa ontario canada
soc.religion.christian	dead sea scroll dhancock teosint agron missouri edu deni hancock write nice articl dss thought answer david cruz urib origin queri quit book read recent that help not prepar for week seri taught sundai school greatli increas knowledg qumran scroll recent book heartili recommend joseph fitzmyer respons question dead sea scroll paulist fitzmyer preemin modern scholar earli worker dss book written straightforward that serv sourc for great wealth present basic moment inform dss thi book companion volum raymond brown respons question dead sea scroll nichael pop quiz wrong cover thi book
soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi opinion netter subject that bother wife and liturgi cathol liturgi last year that and hoc event mass drive crazi grace fill aspect liturg tradit that happen togeth led priest make kind dialogu present god mass participatori prayer proport particip fallen and proport sit and watch listen gener told happen grow exampl last sundai palm sundai local church palm sundai congreg particip read passion take role mob theologi thi profound crucifi mean and back todai chill last week invit sit gospel passion and listen orwellian invit sadden and role thi typic shift particip peopl and musician reader and thing introduc liturgi and sinc happen thing explain and pretti lot mass sit listen space case mass mind lai blame liturgi committe made lai expert that not that liturgi committe bia noth that fact bureaucrat life even simpler liturgi fact make easier for peopl awar lord presenc wonder oddbal qualiti mass don mean that faceti mass thursdai fridai and remind power simpl liturgi make awar god presenc obligatori sundai mass offer notic declin congreg particip cathol mass john murrai
soc.religion.christian	prophet warn york citi david wilkerson propheci not real credibl rememb book wrote call vision that made predict that peopl bought gold hurt financi time gold half that thi predict stuck mind lot peopl work bui gold problem tend rememb predict that come true and forget that didn jean dixon predict perhap book mention that can pretti not come true fred gilham gilham csl sri peac war not hell war hell make sens walker perci second come
soc.religion.christian	prayer jesu name munn cae wisc edu scott munn write dormitori bibl discuss christian roommat and christian gui floor close accept christ start discipl treat babi believ and into indepth subject parabl etc discuss prayer eventu prai jesu name excel question that don real answer question prai jesu name peopl jesu prai god and listen spite sin can thi discuss and interpret bibl feel that can prai rememb thi jesu peopl talk god and talk back audibl and dream etc todai bibl god will and son you di for savior and thing god will prai son bibl that not jesu not god not vers grant etern life present ourselv jesu will present god leonard thi space intention left blank
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soc.religion.christian	deific aaron bryce cardena write basic prophet write make testament apostl write make testament write record bibl foundat church hayesstw risc unisa steve hay write that peculiar interpret text apostl and prophet peopl write and testament prophet built church rememb doctrin wit perhap prophet testifi come apostl testifi prophesi mean secondli apostl answer especi wit suppos person wit that mean true apostl christ let church quit claim
soc.religion.christian	daili vers devot anoth brotherli love honor anoth roman
soc.religion.christian	revel articl apr atho rutger edu topcat tom tredysvr tredydev unisi tom albrecht write suggest that propheci somewhat cyclic can you elabor not exactli you mean suggest relat isaiah propheci birth christ virgin don cycl that propheci cyclic not word that aspect case virgin birth propheci appli and and prophet christ armi that threaten king ceas threat short time propheci christ propheci that refer christ had applic time made egypt call son refer israel and prophet christ heathen rage david and christ anoth exampl scriptur quot juda and bishoprick anoth anoth exampl that isaiah discipl appli christ hebrew children thou hast preterist view account for thi phenomenon link link hudson
soc.religion.christian	sin articl apr atho rutger edu jadalei cwi unomaha edu jill ann dalei write exactli definit sin and exampl person commit sin that not bring closer god sin you thi strict ambigu thi impli that stai sin christian never satisfi not impli that fun sin not impli that sleep sin impli that sin dai perhap simpler definit that counter two great command love god love your neighbor sin that not love sin action can sin sometim and not sin sometim yell kid disciplin time love teach proper behavior yell kid anger selfish post excel articl interest share opinion and get feedback and learn post articl want realiz wise chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	opinion ask reject william mayn mayn pipe fsu edu wrote articl apr atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write peopl reject god don want wth heaven spend live choos for god not forc that shock impress that jayn kulikaska write thi offens and ludicr thi not that offens intent clear and for christian jayn stand pretti good compani lewi wrote book promot idea contain sentenc quot call final divorc excel book subject heaven and hell highli recommend allegori soul invit beseech enter heaven reject offer god heaven mean give fals pride joe kellett jkellett netcom
soc.religion.christian	prophet warn york citi articl apr atho rutger edu evensont spot colorado edu evenson thoma randal write bring ask open question bibl close book scriptur for god told thi and jesu told that wouldn that impli that god pour revel that peopl will feel that and will not concept close canon cast shadow contemporari prophet hand open canon sometim lot peopl run god told thi and god told that dai peopl heard god and heard gland mario murrillo mention thi sermon onc told lord gave song that worst song had heard gave you that song murillo didn want anymor god speak peopl todai and idea contrari idea close cannon ireneau wrote gift spirit church dai and centuri and put testament cannon almost ident todai believ close cannon prophet prophesi propheci not record scriptur for exampl prophet king name start propheci that king lose battl that propheci gave record scriptur and that had propheci king complain heard propheci never prophesi good paragraph lifetim propheci record scriptur numer exampl barnaba prophet act even apostl write not record scriptur two agabu propheci mention scriptur prophet gave propheci genuin and god that not make scriptur interest note that call propheci noth inspir translat scriptur call that propheci mislead wouldn that knowledg don translat scriptur familiar propheci that give applic for scriptur similar exampl bibl time peter interpret propheci seemingli prophet for exampl and bishoprick anoth juda offic clearer exampl can found matthew jesu prophesi will happen return and quot passag joel sun darken and moon turn blood scriptur propheci can us propheci sometim thi sort thing can cross into word knowledg gift spirit overlap word knowledg and wisdom can overlap word knowledg and propheci can overlap interpret toung similar propheci heal consid miracl sometim distinct gift bit hazi imho doesn matter that label phenomenon long recogn work spirit and us lead link hudson
soc.religion.christian	christian and aid articl apr atho rutger edu marka travi csd harri mark ashlei write articl apr atho rutger edu kevin pictel pictel kevin davi write christian abstin moment will overcom desir compromis and ration poor choic sin last week guilti anger jealousi and mess stuff forgiven and not condemn suffer aid even suggest that aid deserv ludicr rule made point man stupid eventu man learn get lesson experi import realiz that action consequ and that rule made for good suggest that diseas punish for type sin take thing kind mouth diseas for ly mouth left develop blind time lust dare walk into wall aid problem peopl didn involv deviant sexual behaviour peopl receiv taint blood not blame show that mankind affect action sin can terribl consequ real care that consequ punish for sin jew jesu time believ that sick result sin jesu heal blind man and that man blind show glori god not sin aid std punish for sexual sin diseas cancer multipl sclerosi debilit and terribl aid not link specif behavior lifestyl addit imho forgiv not end thing matter aton aid don aton extrem import you miss mark you can suggest that aid aton for sin aton for sin jesu christ period thi central messag gospel perfect sacrific requir for sin and made lamb god sacrific aton for sin past present and futur god not requir pennanc for sin requir come aton gracious that for suggest that aid consequ aton for sin liter spit sacrific that jesu made case you couldn extrem angri and upset thing thi ration fear and phobia reach peopl aid and social unaccept diseas whether diseas action not irrelev jesu christ and thi good analog peopl aid modern dai leper jesu heal leper can heal peopl aid not thi earth ultim sens door neighbor aid recent come deeper and commit relationship god theologi isn want god grace cover amaz thing that gain weight had diseas for year and health excel apart occassion skin rash and such attribut improv health god intervent life suggest that diseas kind punish that god glorifi diseas paul overstreet countri singer good song titl that appli for grace god that experi and accept god grace mark ashlei disclaim opinion express marka gcx ssd csd harri not uunet gcx marka reflect opinion polici lost lo angelino harri corpor paul conditt internet conditt titan tsd arlut utexa edu appli research phone fax laboratori fedex burnet road austin texa univers texa postal box austin texa austin texa wonder place texa live ttttttttttttttt ttt ttt ttt ttt ttttttttttttt texa tech ladi raider ttt swc champion ttt ncaa nation champion ttt ttttttt
soc.religion.christian	essen testament william christi ask essen andrew kill repond collect gospel name essen gospel peac deriv gnostic not essen and ostens translat syriac text fourth and centuri vagu recal can find copi clh had recent critic thi listserv for academ biblic scholar book modern fake
soc.religion.christian	seldom post thi group christendom listen don dialog topic thing start daughter christian school send home weekli updat school relat topic thi week interest articl written leader nation christian school organ trip recent made jerusalem introduc rabbi work project rebuild templ jerusalem articl includ photo furnish that made prepar for furnish rebuilt templ specif bibl even strike fact that plan for templ complet and group await permiss isra govern begin build startl fact recent archeolog discoveri that origin site templ unoccupi and for build previous thought that origin site underneath mosqu make rebuild imposs spark holi war appear that noth stand rebuild and resum sacrific scriptur will happen last dai isra govern will give permiss start hand god hold project readi happen brother and sister time hand redempt draw post rang per dai weekend peopl aren that propag problem clh
soc.religion.christian	prayer jesu name hmm make you whether prayer jesu name mean jesu name whether simpli thing attitud that belong jesu frank
soc.religion.christian	lazaru smell discuss jesu spoke aloud lazaru come surpris that notic vers immedi preceed father you for listen knew that you listen thi for sake peopl that stand that that you made your messeng goodspe translat guess that lazaru come for sake crowd tim rolf rolf dsuvax dsu edu rolf junior dsu edu rolfet columbia dsu edu
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu emeri fluke john emeri write excel post delet for space tjl suffer and persecut that meant believ quit probabl that suppos conspiraci come forward and confess that thing big hoax not reason that discipl not make resurrect sincer believ that jesu had risen dead light suffer that believ jubile confer thi year pittsburgh and speaker spoke thi talk thing you mention your post into detail paraphras can suppos you part christian consipraci peopl that christ had risen never mind stone burn aliv crucifixion talk scourg whip that us broken potteri metal bone and that find attach you stood face wall noth protect you whip hit you time tear flesh you instant incred intens pain you thi for lie second hit drop you your knee you scream agoni that your raw back torn you thi for lie and you had come hit you scream that lie beg for stop and that you swear your life that had lie stop amaz that believ faith such tortur for lie fool that and forward excel post john for take time luoma luomat alleg edu god merci fought good fight sinner luke finish for live christ and faith tim die gain philippian
soc.religion.christian	question newbi life pass fail and god grade curv and vagu religi want you peopl specif infinit number heaven and person that deserv simpli heaven noth hell grade unchang method person childhood into account sound simplif you figur that you expert quinn eschatolog area christian not agre suspect that primari sourc inform prophet and visionari and write tend highli symbol jesu teach gospel and book such revel john talk primarili differ etern life and etern death number occas jesu thing that impli sort differenti and number similar passag jesu thing even xxx will you judgement cor talk get into heaven skin teeth passag not interpret suggest separ heaven differ level prestig punish heaven hell and not christian even that christian group that believ multipl heaven mormon and mainstream christian that reader not call christian idea thi area involv specif mormon revel addit bibl and holi tradit gener christian sort note that christian will cring thought associ grade god point christ free result test that couldn possibl pass you test analog god grade strict and unbend scale cheat replac test paper exam that prepar teacher grade peopl end heaven and hell easi you inclin grade differ branch christian detail agre that anoth god cheat person sceptic claim exactli god cheat extend will accept peopl don explicitli acknowledg christ follow heart christian that thi principl not jesu provid clear descript save not clear that provid exact descript place divid line made clear that can expect whether individu save not clh
soc.religion.christian	prophet warn york citi evensont spot colorado edu evenson thoma randal write suppos true that peopl make mistak interest note that long ago dai you weren correct your propheci peopl mad and you longer believ even put death thi differ propheci and propheci expect that believ gather peopl will prophesi propheci judg cor noth kill make mistak that make mistak true that make mistak fill spirit not true that true entir bibl written men inspir god subject error for propheci revel scriptur scriptur scriptur gift scriptur and don you that made mistak fill spirit you don give grace peopl make mistak will never grow us spiritu gift minist small group encourag peopl speak impress imag lord will whether wrong and case handl time didn you fall you learn ride bicycl you and you learn your failur and your success spiritu gift you experi bring ask open question bibl close book scriptur for god told thi and jesu told that wouldn that impli that god pour revel that peopl will feel that and will not concept close canon cast shadow contemporari prophet hand open canon sometim canon scriptur complet thi mean that god longer speak heard voic not audibl nonetheless heard equival scriptur never heard contemporari prophet claim that receiv lord level scriptur contrari matur obei scriptur submit propheci fellow believ for judgement and reliabl yardstick for judg propheci scriptur canon close god not silent interest note that call propheci noth inspir translat scriptur call that propheci mislead wouldn that knowledg gift knowledg not excit talk shouldn call hors hors matter call question not label receiv word knowledg incident similar propheci and sometim two overlap gener supernatur knowledg fact that not jon reid fool cannot reid uiuc edu gain cannot lose jim elliot
soc.religion.christian	ancient book thi lost weekend accid moder describ thi improv version loss time standard work detect forgeri ancient document write friedrich blass hermeneutrik und kritik einleitend und hilfsdisziplinen vol handbuch der klassischen altertum wissenshaft noerdlingen beck portion thi describ niblei prophet book mormon slc deseret book you want attempt read thi forewarn niblei describ blass typic german scholar claim knowledg subject proce exhaust subject and reader niblei extract blass work form rule for forger make interest read confess that not read blass work niblei extract thereof german fall short requir and english translat techniqu describ wide that compet classic scholar examin purportedli ancient document and determin consist expect genuin document that time frame will not prove wrote determin reason confid that time and cultur forgeri type purportedli ancient document alleg actual holograph earli copi thereof for exampl dead sea scroll can test scientif mean determin ag paper ink and object found thi can provid pretti clear date actual physic object document claim copi ancient work copi recent for exampl find document monk monastari claim copi centuri ago perhap even gener copist thi problem can test test not like simpl cannot expect test ag physic object confin test text import rememb that test can document claim can date document and identifi cultur origin for exampl heard letter suppos written jesu king iraq thi document turn scholar date paper and ink assum holograph check languag content and write style consist expect palestinian jew that time even test result posit determin jesu wrote time and cultur bar sampl jesu handwrit clue for comparison scholarship stop seldom determin actual author expert bla work rememb test can appli alleg copi ancient work specif document intern consist contradict work short rel easi maintain intern consist even forgeri longer forgeri difficult maintain consist for thi reason success forger stick short document consist histori and geographi time short specif work not testabl write signific length dai forger escap detect for minor inconspicu thing that cultur even think forger find numer and trivial check devil detail literari style work figur speech etc ancient writer almost speak wai that strang such odd phrase thi book fit cultur complic document translat possibl even updat languag copi case languag not cultur claim allow recent copi problem and reduc certainti don necessarili prove forgeri test can quit effect materi work not easi requir skill historian linguist anthropologist etc question aspect thi document consist cultur claim origin thing don fit signific problem area due lack knowledg copist signific will ambigu sinc never cultur end result such test occasion case holograph ancient copi probabl indic that document part authent sometim part addit thi unsettl gener rais problem solv minut time for commerci real world and scholarship offer
soc.religion.christian	christian dirti word articl mar atho rutger edu usceast scarolina edu moss scarolina edu jame moss write brought christian not christian longer bad tast mouth christian faith accept and live life not teach christ cannot call christian beacus thing name christian that can not associ question for you can you give name organ philosophi polit movement etc never had evil name you miss central teach christian man inher sin save faith grace know that believ that not make sin not christian even manag head church not lord lord will enter kingdom heaven will father heaven matt problem inconsist bibl and that peopl edit origin document fit world view therebi leav bibl unbeliev sourc histor document you trust you hannib cross alp you you for histor document stood scrutini and attempt di credit bibl don dislik christian for won quit wit matter time stop christian faith organ religion will never can moment support shame you feel thi can browbeat you into believ and will succe drive you you difficult question afterlif and man requir salvat attain answer question man attain thi salvat can eastern religion and modern offshoot ag movement teach requir god form form can such come needless thi discuss lifetim and for peopl compris life write posit offer answer pointer manag unshaken faith entir live not spritual life difficult journei you never read pilgrim progress highli recommend thi greatest allegori english languag peac and love god ess name jame moss your close that sourc troubl for you conflict your politc belief and your religi upbring you wrote that faith accept and live life not teach christ christ refer god father not mother and male god not male human possess chromosom not honor god refer femal pure trendi discriminatori polit correct thi disparag women intent us male pronoun refer men and women english not decent neuter set pronoun god chose woman human partner bring christ into human popul not launch into detail discuss role women christian hour sleep last and for that reason apolog for shortcom thi articl happen across and felt move repli hope you and find similar frame mind contempl karl dussik
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco wrote affirm absolut scriptur not arrog moralist god truth reveal truth word and hold preciou strateg import absolut pardon humbl atheist exactli differ hold reveal truth blind faith basi evid that you find contrari absolut truth fulli expect peopl you and arrog sound and and time meet christian for that matter theist convert find thi proven and wisdom whatsoev your word unfaithfulli pixi you sincer that god exist you follow blindli word question author mean you defi theist repli
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart firstli atheist not post immatur flame start express opinion intend audienc mean exist question daili live fear will happen die bet you lick your lip you that person edg accept jeezu rais religi atmospher and attend year religi educ institut bibl can recogn passag memori strong opinion start human anim due advanc mental facil develop religi satisfi solut explain unexplain for exampl ancient greek believ that apollo drove chariot across sky each dai real due advanc technolog thi fals christian infecti cult reason flourish peopl hope driven purpos life safeti blank hide wow follow thi christian moral standard and etern happi for you found jeezu you brink digress reason christian flourish infecti natur friend mine breifli enter christian group and month set ministri guidelin for basicali thi prioriti spread word anim sleep food and reproduc and die religion christian noth drug peopl us drug escap realiti christian inject jeezu and live that high piti million live lost religi war christian had small part christian believ that person blind truth cannot realiz that live thi mask fake each dai jesu prophet happen larg influenc that time roman circa dispers jewish popul and commun need sort cohes element strong that time dire thought christian damien endemyr unpur knight doom acquir tast for blood and adopt nocturn lifestyl that doesnt mean vampir
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write thought share word that receiv letter moodi bibl institut coupl month ago word jame stowel presid mbi dai dry cleaner and radio plai caught attent talk show guest critic evangel christian absolut and absolut miss point imo stowel miss point affirm absolut scriptur not arrog moralist god truth reveal truth word and hold preciou strateg import absolut stowel jump strang truth absolut don that necessarili follow truth absolut scriptur truth and absolut answer question perhap you can explain you determin part scriptur truth and truth absolut and qualifi make determin consensu even evangel christian not mention rest christian biblic interpret find stowel statement terribl simpl mind carol alvin caralv auto trol
soc.religion.christian	ancient book articl apr atho rutger edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write sinc manuscript close actual event compar ancient christian histori show that accur copi origin text that weak argument due lack regard critic event independ support text for date oldest extant text you feel civil war coupl thousand year extant text written adjust for larg illiter popul and copi manuscript hand hal hal heydt analyst pacif bell you system work wait for prompt whheydt pbhya pacbel
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soc.religion.christian	technolog mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write comput not fantasyland respons disappear peopl net real slander and decept carri net wrong carri paper face face michael cathol traditon list behaviour call spiritu work merci admonish sinner instruct ignor counsel doubt comfort sorrow bear wrong patient forgiv injuri prai for live and dead controversi thi and don want argu thing that direct applic usenet peopl question and express doubt comfort prayer imagin happen flame war bore wrong patient and forgav injuri add that admonish privat email publicli jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
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soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl standard articl apr atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write seanna bnr seanna watson write quebec french word for celebr resurrect que thi etymolog relat pesach passov and pascal lamb french canadian roman cathol celebr name parent seder and notic label packag english hebrew and french phrase kosher for passov french word us que deliber mistransl thi kulikauska home and refer food kosher for easter word que french word for easter francophon whether quebec pari haven you heard phrase paschal lamb mean jesu nitpick trivial part thi thread vera your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim
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soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi apr atho rutger edu jemurrai magnu ac ohio state edu john murrai write opinion netter subject that bother wife and liturgi cathol liturgi last year that and hoc event mass drive crazi grace fill aspect liturg tradit that happen togeth led priest make kind dialogu present god mass participatori prayer live kick and scream and cathol invit particip liturgi count rosari bead mass find thi comment interest massiv longer tradit for proclaim passion account activ particip you latin beauti hear passion chant deacon narrat chant middl bariton rang jesu chant bass and directli quot handl high tenor thi basi for common proclam passion that john prefer judgement call base pastor consider each pastor make decis isn church wide conspiraci particip palm sundai liturgi initi bless and distribut palm and process get long you passion pastor feel that not make peopl stand that long narr orchestr proclam multipl reader and public particip crowd quotat run longer singl reader proclam church multipl mass for sundai briefer option and each parish cathol longer canon ti geograph parish that anoth cathol parish columbu area base ohio state address liturgi closer your prefer talk your fellow parishion and common your prefer pastor gener will listen confront request you bring paramed case react strongli shock peopl ask for longer sundai mass perhap problem that recent liturg develop hasn follow continu evolut model accumul small singl hard punctuat equilibrium model thing stai and accustom mark mutat hit apolog mi rememb name evolutionari theori tim rolf rolf dsuvax dsu edu rolf junior dsu edu rolfet columbia dsu edu
soc.religion.christian	christian and aid articl apr atho rutger edu marka travi csd harri mark ashlei write articl apr atho rutger edu kevin pictel pictel kevin davi write christian abstin moment will overcom desir compromis and ration poor choic sin last week guilti anger jealousi and mess stuff forgiven and not condemn suffer aid even suggest that aid deserv ludicr man told not sex rel listen and man found your point mark comment valid suggest that aid deserv ludicr sin can resolv abstain sin and weekli routin fail sure deserv god compassion provid incarn logo jesu rememdi and situat aid deserv sure deserv instant death paul cogent remid willingli judg deserv punish height arrog and lack humil aid problem peopl didn involv deviant sexual behaviour peopl receiv taint blood not blame show that mankind affect action point can aid and never engag deviant sexual behavior fact engag lot deviant sexual behavior hiv peopl and never infect aid consequ behavior not sexual and not sexual behavior carri risk transmiss addit imho forgiv not end thing matter aton aid don end thing love and serv god grow daili closer prayer medit and disciplin even aid remain forev celib drug free and transfus free larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
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soc.religion.christian	essen testament apr atho rutger edu harwood umiac umd edu david harwood write had recent critic thi listserv for academ biblic scholar book modern fake listsev thi and discuss current question base inform present essen that challeng eat choic info bias oppos prefer parti for info whether dismiss thi work put consider into for info will christi aatchoo philosophi principl and univers manitoba scienc thought and realiti winnipeg canada leak philosoph think chrstie ccu umanitoba brain lubric societi
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soc.religion.christian	prayer jesu name articl apr atho rutger edu munn cae wisc edu scott munn write eventu prai jesu name excel question that don real answer question prai jesu name peopl jesu prai god and listen spite sin can and that dai you will question you you father for will give you name you ask for noth name and you will receiv that your joi made full john don that necessarili christ name amen for prayer heard glorifi son acknowledg that prayer made that save save jesu dai reconcil god man reason prayer heard god for becom unclean and righteou deed filthi garment and wither leaf and iniqu wind isaiah na prayer rest deed unholi directli father taint sin wash prayer christ blood worthi lift father god christ jesu roman na scholar that thi paul recogn that even unholi for father basic prayer gift grace that jesu prayer power prai name glorifi and prais jesu for thi beauti and power gift carter page happi crown and chiefest part wisdom carpent apprentic and hold god aw thi law that cpage sea upenn edu stricken heart pride brought learn adapt sophocl
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl standard seanna bnr seanna watson write sinc dai christian celebr resurrect jesu approach thought comment thi articl mar atho rutger edu dsegard nyx edu daniel segard write object celebr easter celebr resurrect jesu don recal command scriptur for celebr resurrect sole and reason that christian not celebr name not quit correct biblic teach expect celebr resurrect christ not onc year time baptiz col buri baptism risen faith oper god hath rais dead rom buri baptism into death that christ rais dead glori father even walk new life want celebr resurrect faith walk new life baptism not celebr pagan goddess process scriptur israel will observ dai forev gentil messiah israel observ dai not requir sinc adopt into commonwealth israel gentil graft into commonwealth israel requir observ basic command abram act requir onc come faith messiah thi infer that rule for christian jewish descent happen jew greek slave free male femal for christ jesu jewish christian messian find form worship and disciplin meaning cultur background hard time understand justif for appli rule command justifi grace faith jesu christ paul answer your question roman state that adopt glori coven give law servic god and promis israelit packag deal identifi true israelit make plain that true israelit not born that accept promis god paul continu emphas that israelit cor gal that belong christ abraham seed and heir promis israelit promis come law noth that you want discard part law you want your husband faith you you that adulteri longer forbidden law btw give refer for your statement that gentil requir observ basi commandm you list act deal circumcis and law mose ad transgress god etern law gal rom dariu lecoint born depart educ research and made anew florida state univers get phd becom tel patient humbl discipl mail dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write firstli atheist atheist drivel delet untitl seed such miracul thing can sit shelf forev stuck ground make clever draw nutrient soil root and gather forc sun put lot blossom and fruit reced program seed and put sun sky and put food dirt for root and told bee come and make water fall refresh and make pure perhap thi product love and perhap happen chanc yeah johnni hart cartoonist for carter page happi crown and chiefest part wisdom carpent apprentic and hold god aw thi law that cpage sea upenn edu stricken heart pride brought learn adapt sophocl
soc.religion.christian	reason revel articl apr atho rutger edu trajan stephen mcintyr write articl apr atho rutger edu write can repli timothi not discount part bibl discount notion revel author timothi told thought truth base belief god faith jesu resurrect son and read testament had reveal base second hand inform friend and author not truth exagger bit origin poster misquot refer tim author paul and revel second hand and that saul journei approach damascu and suddenli light heaven flash and fell ground and heard voic saul saul you persecut and art thou lord and jesu you persecut act na paul receiv revel directli risen jesu pretti cool close involv earli church leader follow jesu ministri earth you holi spirit reveal thing and into that argument you hard press convinc that holi spirit exist agre don spirit convinc you spirit exist don complain thi circular can natur world explain supernatur thi revel author bibl addition written second hand info spirit and carri chanc not true spirit part god closer sourc can you greek timothi sometim translat inspir god liter mean god breath word god spoke actual word into scriptur theologian and bibl scholar jame boic that can rememb hand quit annoi dryness and incomplet inspir god you escap thi notion second hand info had entir bibl written god and truth studi bibl extens and hear scholar put object evid show god author thi collect book that vers timothi continu book written span year author walk life testimoni singl authorship god and for reason read corinthian human wisdom basic that human wisdom useless compar god written for learn you knew jesu you bibl you realiz reason law and prophet for common man sourc you claim discov inform superior histor bibl not josephu write write gnostic centuri earliest and claim jesu human human wisdom apostl paul set critic you not embrac idea that jesu wise jesu fulli god that assert that wise realis that you not accept author bibl thi unfortun learn god and christ and god purpos earth read bibl and search truth for for your inform rais knowledg god time faith show word and share truth live happili and moral acknowledg exist suprem read bibl time entireti and studi contain truth and jesu moral human be live fact darn idol gui ration reason for god exist rethink thi last paragraph god your current belief jesu liar complet nut not assert that god exist claim god regard lewi you bit respect for jesu conclus care logic unfound hypothes base gut feel text and scholar unsubstanti claim bibl plead that entireti throw book your read bibl not spirit inspir writer guid reader cannot understand spirit guidanc for god reveal spirit for spirit search thing even depth god cor na peac and god guid wisdom carter page happi crown and chiefest part wisdom carpent apprentic and hold god aw thi law that cpage sea upenn edu stricken heart pride brought learn adapt sophocl theologian quit annoi misleadingess god breath true that greek word root god and breath etymolog doesn necessarili you word mean goodby religi express sinc come god you word us thi case word us for wisdom dream that come god god breath overtransl clh
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soc.religion.christian	deific articl apr atho rutger edu holfeltz lstc stortek write aaron bryce cardena write prophesi mean secondli apostl answer especi wit suppos person wit that mean true apostl christ let church quit claim apostl you will mailmen call apostl that sens jesu design and power rememb that thousand peopl wit jesu that didn make apostl joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	revel doesn contradict church last for time us church bolster thi evid letter for instanc paul talk super apostl corinthian corinthian mention peopl will led miracl sign and wonder thessalonian tell timothi that clear that will abandon faith and teach li timothi and that will search for teacher suit want hear timothi such passag letter and jesu warn matthew promis thi last part vers and thi gospel kingdom will preach world testimoni nation and end will come even todai fals teach can name two familiar baptism and prai jesu into your life for salvat taught dead wrong context vers interpret and plain made jesu taught luke and luke command baptism matthew church jesu found aliv and not persecut back law won persecut joe fisher peac lou lou nunez mail lnunez vaxa steven tech edu altar dei deum qui laetificat juventutem meam cor cor luke
soc.religion.christian	ancient book recommend that michael read true and reason dougla jacobi joe fisher and michael wait dent armor and faith hasn waver sinc dai discipl you want life chang
soc.religion.christian	sin for take thi sharon resp add vers that and perhap answer second vers corinthian colossian for know that bit tricki peopl conscienc warn case conscienc can harden sin deceit hebrew that person idea doesn care that sin sin don that sin begin search and examin scriptur find that sin and repent and chang question circumst judg sin possibl jesu wholeheartedli thi thi point time sound cop stifl question joe fisher miss john
soc.religion.christian	uniti articl apr atho rutger edu maarten van loon cwi maarten van loon write fellow netter and fellow christian subject uniti christian and christian church bibl studi group alltough person opinion thi issu thought nice hear opinion fellow christian brother and sister countri and situat background member orthodox reform church uniti found true parti involv discipl church even congreg compet and argu and had messag put into practic messag sinc discipl found that travel anoth church movement accept had retreat back januari congreg louisvil thi retreat for colleg student and had even peopl louisvil for year and had becom discipl previou april and had never church kentucki kei uniti unselfish love and sacrific that area discipl stand christian anoth part uniti common depth convict part christian campu fellowship focus uniti church and that church had thing involv lack convict believ that unifi didn care truth delight get togeth problem netherland that two church denomin characterist confess differ respect for exampl matter appropri salvat and us creed essenc lot peopl church faith and feel that becom church that question creed creed bibl stand firmli question can congreg christ separ wall denomin thi untoler situat scriptur scriptur split and differ opinion per previou note mention that teach fals mean differ opinion and belief scriptur state direct prais for you for your meet harm good place hear that you come togeth church divis you and extent doubt differ you show you god approv corinthian will god show approv fruit act that qualiti devot apostl teach fellowship communion fill aw for god common glad and sincer heart prais god enjoi favor peopl mention act god show that qualiti persecut stephen man full faith and holi spirit act stone act can that church true church jesu christ can that church true church that church perfect not congreg worldwid movement find that closest found boston church christ movement constantli strive error point and correct total sold god problem close relat question can cooper christian two church uniti thi question import for that church can true for cooper that can occur uniti hand never occur for church true remind that mark state that discipl not part main group begin will not lose reward boston movement heard numer time thi exact thing that discipl that not part boston movement that not make discipl peopl admit that run into qualiti discipl movement haven thi last problem sound strang you for your inform lot organ found peopl specif church and member member that church thi consid correct for year year ago peopl start discuss thi and middl thi process organ open door for peopl church etc warn that thi sound cliquei cliqu group run togeth extent exclus thi problem fellowship and divis not that thi correct for church group for reason church attend for exampl intern cliqu peopl group committe organiz head congreg rare talk committe and seldom vote offic anoth offic open that step back degre exclus such that pastor had wipe and start scratch sinc clue mean discipl thi rigid cliqu begin broken warn such divis divis for your opinion advanc maarten joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	weird earli christian earli christian weird christian contemporari familiar you late republican rome pricip weirder peopl will forget creativ filter renaiss and eighteenth centuri hero worship modern christian and christian you pretti weird your acid dismiss luther and protestant and appar bui into simplist propaganda model catholic not faddish larg that global fad longer cycl smaller denomin and local not visibl you lot travel exot land recom mend salutari antidot thi nonsens philipp ari book hour death longitudin studi death custom western specif cathol christendom and won escap into obscur christian centuri paul pretti weird peter and appar quit weird circl jesu you find help bit chariti understand weirdo and nutcas respect and love you expect show your notion command love anoth and brown book fact heroic attempt group talk motiv love and gospel and social context brown heroic manag overstrain time don suggest that follow cult path and rais hard question skeptic insid that earli christian weird christian and christian cult todai that extent you rais problem and perhap your phrase implicitli deprecatori and iron principl for answer question respect and love for not understand and help work stand long not overwhelm revuls and begin withdraw respect for peopl advis word histor read brown book good bio augustin robin lane fox christian and pagan paul veyn histori privat life foucault book sexual ancient world human weird sane person and kill fortun for thi prove comedi tragedi easter thi tad earli vigil servic move forward church area vigil and seminarian worship and run and thi anglican fad michael siemon truth and ml ulyss att love truth and act measur love ml panix thoma merton
soc.religion.christian	confess communion apr david cruz urib write orthodox practic communion read throw remark someplac that orthodox receiv frequent cathol current practic variat histor orthodox practic vari place place parish parish and jurisdict jurisdict parish south africa receiv communion infant children parish expect that will vesper and confession prayer even and that will fast travel church don receiv communion sundai sundai steve gold
soc.religion.christian	sin apr jill ann dalei write jad exactli definit sin and exampl jad person commit sin answer briefli sin fall short glori god roman steve gold
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment apr susan harwood kaczmarczik write suspect that parti environment disput think earth sanctifi clear that environmentalist energi deriv call religi left secular even pagan fanatic that worship such god natur and gender rever accord real religion emphasi mine shk secular and pagan not synonym pagan shk deriv latin paganu mean countri shk fact cognat italian paisano mean peasant shk pagan thing includ rever for planet and shk life planet stem belief that life shk interconnect secular shk sacr and that damag environ caus secular worldview humanist worldview and secular humanist worldview thi not that secular humanist necessarili avid destroy environ and that concern environ time renaiss and ref ormat western europ man centr focu cultur human thi conscious secular sens that concern primarili present ag ather ag come capit aros time and power econom central philosophi thi doesn mean that econom not exist simpli that began domin consciou cultur valu western european societi and offshoot thi cultur shift stage accompani industri revolut and valu that justifi fundament cultur shift mean econom christian view man economo steward creation secular idea man slave econom forc and power denomin differ worshipp mammon for name deiti free rein market mechan for dialect forc histori capitalist west and socialist east environ sacrif altar mammon situat mitig west tho concern damag environ had freedom oppos happen and state case steve gold
soc.religion.christian	ancient book cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write talk atheist and testament histor reliabl document reason give found that thi isn effect argument atheist perfectli will acknowledg exist and ministri jesu quit capabl ration miracl and resurrect into misunderstand hoax simpl fabric can make analog iliad book that tell stori histor trojan war talk god and goddess and convers don convinc atheist valid christian argument foster faith and understand god wrong atheist led christian argument alan terlep incestu vituper oakland univers rochest atterlep vela ac oakland edu melissa eggertsen rush angel fear tread
soc.religion.christian	revel hudson athena uga edu paul hudson write biblic propheci somewhat cyclic for exampl virgin propheci isaiah propheci christ thi appli book revel regard perterist view propheci doubl applic jewish captiv and end time rev date propheci not appli destructioin jerusalem dariu
soc.religion.christian	prayer jesu name articl apr atho rutger edu munn cae wisc edu scott munn write dormitori bibl discuss christian roommat and jesu name peopl jesu prai god and listen spite sin can insert huge delet materi sinc had relev found peopl jesu didn jesu announc that space vacuum peopl live time jesu live discipl taught thi you truth faith will will even greater thing father and will you name that son bring glori father you for name and will john jesu ask prai for thing name sinc that time request not for intercess be jesu rememb that god and mediat god and men man christ jesu gave ransom for men testimoni proper time timothi priest talk priest hebrew sinc death prevent continu offic jesu live forev perman priesthood save complet come god live interced for hebrew hebrew full area talk jesu mediat man joe fisher peopl jesu didn jesu not obviou you sens you mean didn christian thought gener that had jesu sens that save death god not bound chronolog real spiritu sens jesu even term knowledg sure didn explicit knowledg that christian messian propheci knowledg jesu even knowledg afar clh
soc.religion.christian	empti tomb empti tomb can trust late wilbur smith jesu earth made amaz predict and frequent repeat quot for you behold jerusalem and son man betrai chief priest and scribe and condemn death and deliv gentil mock and scourg and crucifi and dai rise matthew wholli normal experi men jesu had never worthi death even deserv reprov knew die year ag knew citi die knew that religi leader race condemn death knew that betrai knew that actual death place mock and scourg knew exactli die crucifixion thi remark amaz minut particular foreknowledg predict follow shortli buri that rise even design time dai sinc thi central fact death and resurrec tion jesu christ that truth untruth chri tianiti turn examin close bodi jesu embalm long sheet cloth layer great abund spice and ointment distribut bodi tomb had never us and great stone roll entranc jewish author fulli awar that jesu had predict rise had stone offici seal and saturdai guard tomb prevent discipl carri bodi earli sundai morn women faith follow christ tomb anoint bodi utter astonish found stone roll bodi rush back discipl shortli two jesu friend peter and john utterli skeptic affair and found tomb empti women had even guard hurri into citi sanhedrin that had hire guard tomb that bodi matthew thi tomb becom empti famou testament scholar america professor testament literatur larg theolog seminari wrote author answer question tomb empti and wrote letter not mark bitter sarcasm that explain tomb empti explain santa clau come chimnei christma time didn realiz that santa claus never come chimnei christma time never santa clau and jesu di buri tomb joseph arimathea and sundai bodi fact histori can escap responsi biliti come conclus happen mention myth abandon year anoth professor kirsopp lake harvard univers explain empti tomb scholar field testament critic ventur adopt that women wrong tomb fact tomb nearbi mistak second contrari similar experi for peopl forget place buri dearest love dai even women miss tomb peter and john wrong tomb soldier guard wrong tomb record attempt escap evid empti tomb testament behold watch into citi and show chief priest thing that and assembl leader and had counsel gave larg monei soldier discipl night and stole slept and thi come governor ear will persuad and secur you monei and taught and thi monli report jew thi dai matthew thi good illustr attempt escap fact that tomb empti you will notic onc that chief priest and elder never question that tomb empti never even guard had report true knew true anoth fact thi stori make ridicul maintain that tomb empti soldier told that jesu discipl and stole bodi soldier asleep asleep such testimoni valueless court even shallow and sordid that make reject explan charact and histori discipl compel not steal and secretli carri bodi jesu professor heffern point leader judaism jerusalem had put lord jesu death had noth offer contradict discipl continu preach jesu and resurrect jerusalem knew tomb empti had trickeri sooner suspect prove second sure discipl even confess fraud terrif persecut underw live lie men seldom die for lie and men result ultim that messag that christ had risen suffer fate such unfound stori lost power thi truth swept world close pagan templ won million discipl brought hope despair human foundat truth earli church and todai believ and freshli gloriou not jesu come aliv not disappear leav discipl specul subsequ dai had happen appear liter visibl frequent appear women tomb resurrect morn matthew that dai mari magdalen alon john and simon peter alon luke afternoon walk two follow emmau luke and that night appear ten apostl gather togeth upper room jerusalem mark luke etc week appear eleven apostl place john onc brethren mountain galile corinthian and final apostl ascens mark luke act fact empti tomb regard histor ical record appear kind theori propos attempt deni liter theori unreason support evid won unanim approv refus realiti appear true live ag lead scientist and agnost and philosoph antisuperanaturalist not forget that greatest thinker ag firmli believ thi great miracl increas mather presid harvard timothi dwight presid yale nathan lord presid dartmouth edward hitchcock presid amherst mark hopkin presid william john witherspoon presid princeton men and countless believ suppos christ rise dead life your life thi seal certitud teach christ jesu taught great truth claim come god god son god alon knew god perfectli that believ had etern life and had that god name grant rise grave dai reveal that amaz unparallel predict spoke truth you reason good reason not that word true point not truth resurrect convinc that claim son god and fact that christ rose dead testifi that broken power death and that will dai rais grave promis word thi person jesu christ son god thi cornerston foundat your life for life built forgiv sin compan ionship and joi that circumst can and hope that shineth and perfect dai ag and testimoni and todai
soc.religion.christian	testament rexlex fnal fnal gov write can jillustr thi point god administ judgment sin not forgiven cover ag church not sin forgiven power sin put death thi distinct quit arbitrari bless man iniqu forgiven sin cover and quot apostl paul even david describeth blessed man god imputeth righteous work bless iniqu forgiven and sin cover bless man lord will not imput sin rom biblic perspect that foreg and cover parallel equival concept testament dispens distinct unwarr millenium read that sin dealt immedi present that christ present earth rulership christ rex scriptur back thi you suggest jesu travel deal individu violat law for million perhap billion peopl such activ for mose lawgiv consid unwis make for interest specul leav comment call bema seat throne judgment thi unnecessari divis ala dispensation tom albrecht
soc.religion.christian	christ refer adam finish studi thi not propheci fulfil found refer start show fulfil found that had miss needless cannot post studi intend publish process organ and show fulfil will readi write and send publish luck and free time final septemb hope joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	question that bee bother wquinnan sdcc ucsd edu malcusco write approach time scientist match god abil creat life us utmost caution question implic thi statement that physic act limit god and that attempt replic act blasphemi god god caus bush burn consum thing usurp god role religi peopl threaten scienc systemat remov physic proof god exist time reli and faith and spiritu world relat god becuas scienc remov prop don thi bad thing alan terlep incestu vituper oakland univers rochest atterlep vela ac oakland edu melissa eggertsen rush angel fear tread
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment cleveland freenet edu gari cavano write current emphasi environ turn unintention into pantheism debat thi quit bit and legitim concern for planet great thing can easili pervert into danger pagan involv environment thi natur sinc respect for earth fundament tenet pagan denomin thi doesn mean that environment wrong support peac middl east wrong jew and muslim work for nonetheless pagan rise and christian address thi and draw peopl pagan christian not pagan religion address that christian and isn that pagan hit major truth that christian forgotten thi doesn mean that pagan mean that learn pagan movement pagan respect feminin christian long histori oppress women and not male christian unabl live sexist manner idea that god sexless that christ women and accomplish mission met great deal resist thi insist male domin theologi and male domin societi that drive young women had put sexist attitud church second pagan respect physic world thi idea great ramif environment respect for surround and world anoth integr sexual christian long tradit call sexual feeel sin and urg peopl suppress and deni sexual thi sex part human experi and attempt remov simpli not feasibl option christian begun develop workabl sexual ethic and pagan attract option not advoc that christian doctrin sex marriag etc chang that christian work moder ethic sexual denial sexual place emphasi sex unmoder sexual and bring closer god alan terlep incestu vituper oakland univers rochest atterlep vela ac oakland edu melissa eggertsen rush angel fear tread
soc.religion.christian	opinion ask reject talk christian complain hell you you heaven don heaven you heaven sinc isn heaven you not you point that heaven base faith you don heaven you step don hell will that hell etern death and seper god atheist that die will die forev and never god fact that hell hell doesn wors earth hell etern and lot wors heaven that comparison that matter alan terlep incestu vituper oakland univers rochest atterlep vela ac oakland edu melissa eggertsen rush angel fear tread
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian share thought thi topic arrog christian and forward respons encount christian find dismai belief that faith total truth belief come bibl and bibl word god and god truth truth thi stanc make difficult discuss faith and hesit christian truth faith aris will choic that choic part faith and part reason choic discuss christian remind schoolyard discuss grade school kid policemen jerk you daddi told you you daddi argument stop end aren kid grope for truth author declar belief fals thi time brows thi newsgroup apolog cover tire ground discuss thi topic piqu interest and comment loui kim southwest research institut fax post offic drawer lkim swri edu san antonio compuserv sort mystifi christian respond thi can understand critic christian that not evid that good evid for religion don agre plenti intellig peopl don find evid convinc that doesn your point you upset that peopl christian true that thing contradict fals thi suggest model spiritu thing that christian sound existentialist view peopl choos follow actual independ spiritu realiti and that specif choic uniqu sens thi sort model modif sort anoth for religion christian essens histor religion that base concept that actual spiritu entiti that interven histori specif wai and that evid that histori mundan world not free choos thing work drop fall defin situat doesn christian concept that spiritu matter actual extern realiti hope honest not claim that perfect understand not confid that thing and that impli that thing that contradict fals don proce thi needn result arrog interest talk peopl religion thing teach and even don respect fellow human be respect peopl and that matter wrong even disaster wrong clh
soc.religion.christian	revel phil launchburi almac phil launchburi write apost church revel like refer centuri jew reject messiah and had crucifi john refer afraid not refer church that christ found time warn that church will fall into heresi apostl for exampl parabl matthew refer kingdom heaven church and process will corrupt thi interpret matthew parabl nonsens yeast stand for sin corrupt heresi for exampl bewar yeast pharise matthew explain that leaven pharise jesu simpli refer teach not sin corrupt heresi jesu gave apostl kei kingdom and that gate hell not prevail church tom albrecht
soc.religion.christian	environment and pagan christian devot bit effort bash pagan and figur present gospel pagan christ answer pagan lot question unlik materialist deni for spiritu michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi write articl apr atho rutger edu pardon humbl atheist exactli differ hold reveal truth blind faith basi evid that you find contrari absolut truth fulli expect peopl you and arrog sound and pixi you sincer that god exist you follow blindli follow god blindli you ask physic blind person follow ey dog answer quit simpl dog can and blind person cannot acknowledg christian that blind illus realiti watch hear hear li truth listen your radio read newspap rememb that tast not healthi reli can hear and tast and real and not that god you cannot trust sens whether and hear god truth lie that faith save forc ourselv that god truth and love share even defi creat not love thi world trust experi extent thing that defi logic experi father command and result long term find that led proper direct even not feel time thi work christian import exercis bodi make bodi strong excercis faith make faith strong for you can convert you you choos follow god your will you follow christian share you love receiv god you reject that accept your decis offer open you you want find can suggest you prai for faith read bibl and ask christian experi person you grow understand defianc logic thi world lord bring peac you malcusco
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment articl apr atho rutger edu cleveland freenet edu gari cavano write thi group and thi cover current emphasi environ turn unintention into pantheism adamantli environmentalist will not us styrofoam tabl servic that mind you read thi post not attack environment half truth danger complet lie complet lie will rare readili accept half truth lie subtli hidden powerfulli offer masquerad angel light satan for peopl loosen grip treat earth god intric handiwork that health futur gener base treat respect you happili leav that error reject style push peopl opposit error earth not god intric handiwork not rubbish god mother earth you primarili love and serv two facet respons care for environ treat proper respect god intric handiwork and health futur gener and show facet disregard such thing not constitut apostl paul call thing men that mean save don forget environ import thing spend time put your foot your mouth thi manner will destroi your credibl express thing that import show that not ultim entiti that creatur and not creator show that beauti and glori point greater beauti and glori show that not ultim tapestri cord woven infinit tapestri god give mountain greatest jonathan hayward climb and love jonathan hayward wheaton edu strength for climb corinthian jhayward imsa edu
soc.religion.christian	rise don understand thi post direct you convinc subject assum you direct argument peopl not that christ rose dead your proof you us bibl exclus post immedi useless doesn that bibl unadulter truth and reaffirm belief held disagr christian resurrect christ question purpos thi post toma battl won not even fought field reveal man folli and despair and victori illus philosoph and fool william faulkner
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write rais religi atmospher and attend year religi educ institut bibl can recogn passag memori stuff delet for breviti christian infecti cult reason flourish peopl hope driven purpos life safeti blank hide wow follow thi christian moral standard and etern happi for you found jeezu you brink your start point wrong christian not base moral standard for grace you save faith not work that man boast eph you that you bibl and can recogn you mean recit passag memori that passag that you pai attent titu and jame obedi moral law impor suppos result turn your life christ and christian mean start point virgilio dean velasco depart electr eng and appli physic cwru graduat student roboticist train and wannabe bullwinkl that man intimid refere boss not doesn jewish carpent
soc.religion.christian	prophet warn york citi note repli messag soc religion christian evenson thoma randal wrote messag bring ask open question bibl close book scriptur for god told thi and jesu told that interest note that call propheci noth inspir translat scriptur call that propheci mislead you want read charismat chao john macarthur discuss exactli thi queation word simplifi posit basic that decid import experi scriptur peopl tend scriptur live that feel propheci etc put across test light scriptur lot thi worthwhil read whether you charismat not groetni cheer deon time internet deon strydom fidonet org catalyst bb port elizabeth south africa catp alt hst bi hst
soc.religion.christian	ethic freedom parent that you bear describ situat plagu divorc father chanc that weekend daughter fallen easter weekend thi year presbyterian had marri cathol woman decid that cathol morai indoctrin spous into faith confin and restrict due time had set date and marri christian church denomin year marriag not attend church daughter born year wife insist that baptis cathol thi wasn problem separ year wife ill diseas that affect mental capac confin mental ward for two month diagnos sinc treat effect word profession deem function member societi recuper wife embrac buddism influenc daughter substanti and primarili allow saturdai visit for number year thi period read bibl studi book daughter and awar christian heritag last fall divorc final year visciou divorc hear that time award visit right weekend that time start take daughter church quit not weekend thi attempt strengthen christian ethic and expos religi commun todai easter sundai daughter church time for communion daughter bread bodi christ left wine blood christ profess that young for wine ball bread hand and descret throw pew front feel thi slap face religion and afront religi heritag can constru break command you felt dishonor action daughter year and matur realiz action difficulti blame directli for religi teach mother swear discuss thi daughter made clear believ buddhism and not christian initi respons anger moder suggest faith christ celebr easter christma suggest never forc practic religi belief celebr holidai not want drive fold and will continu practic buddhism had choic for two dai fourteen want want embrac christian suggest you respons mail copi not regular reader thi newsgroup natur feel free post and hope you had happi easter drew drew watson system analysi encor comput corp dwatson encor custom servic
soc.religion.christian	revel hudson athena uga edu paul hudson write suggest that propheci somewhat cyclic can you elabor not exactli you mean suggest relat isaiah propheci birth christ virgin don cycl that propheci cyclic not word anoth exampl scriptur quot juda and bishoprick anoth anoth exampl that isaiah discipl appli christ hebrew children thou hast preterist view account for thi phenomenon doubl fulfil that not propheci had doubl fulfil isaiah propheci that thi happen occas not mean will occur regard propheci apostl quot and appli passag jesu act divin messeng and give inerr word god church that author todai apostol author that such and such propheci doubl fulfil imagri revel fit event centuri folli for and make appli event centuri tom albrecht
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl standard moder thi replac for earlier clumsili word submiss topic submit minut ago distinguish etymolog mean word easter origin fact that not mean christian feast dai resurrect jesu christ mean word peopl understand mean and for cultur practic festiv easter possibl histor associ pagan festiv todai christian intend honor kind pagan goddess celebr easter nonsens thi word thi practic mean and even realiz word and practic don mean thing peopl thi basic semant linguist pai thing thi michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi easter specif english languag word us base passov resurrect celebr countri languag not english clh
soc.religion.christian	cathol liturgi problem cathol liturgi like continu for time problem nutshel thi liturgi symbol action word cathol that sign mass water bless vestment altar relic etc real that sprinkl water bestow real almost tangibl holi vestment real indic real sacr time point symbol that understood connect underli real refer thi kind think preclud analysi holi water not holi simpli holi modern western find extrem difficult educ mass symbol like sign action that repres grace replac sign concret term thi mean mass becom commerci for god grace real thing you can mess commerci you wouldn dare real thing coca cola attitud encourag liturgi workshop etc focus liturgi focus creat mean liturgi you can creat sign symbol come god heart deeper analysi dramat exampl thi shift understand treatment sacr speci consecr host and wine pita bread etc common come altar hand cover particl host sign grace thi isnt and issu cathol past distraught thi real desacr real symbol jesu bodi modern cathol liturgi caught thi epistemolog shift perfrom rite liturgomaniac priest and explain stop and start pretend thi not soul fill experi doesn btw that stuck witha huge amount two and chord ersatz folk music result mi analysi complic tune fact easier rememb simpl thi geniu weslei and anglican hymn writer taiz slightli suggest reject parish system doesn work for you search church liturgi prepar not explain exist citi thi not btw matter style music attitud church that count note that conserv liturgi hark back pre vatican dai not necessarili mean church will social conserv nyc can recommend corpu christi corpu christi conserv liturgi joseph greenwich villag modern clean larg gai oratorian church brooklyn beauti avoid anywher anytim church electr candl happi easter christo anest christo voskrezhn christ risen paul halsal halsal murrai fordham edu
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment articl apr atho rutger edu steve hay fidonet org write realiz enter thi discuss late question wasn reagan appointe jame watt pentacost christian secretari interior problem deforest sinc live last dai and our last gener redwood terranc heath heath athena uga edu your comfort silenc act fight back talk back
soc.religion.christian	hell atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez wrote talk christian complain hell you you heaven don heaven you heaven sinc isn heaven you not you point that heaven base faith you don heaven you hmmm peopl america time christ children die young etc step don hell will that hell etern death and seper god popular concept hell correct incorrect akin etern perpetu conscious atheist that die will die forev and never god fact that hell good number atheist noth bodili death simpli abus languag hell die understand that you turn hell into verb logic follow that anim hell you thi you want anim don opportun heaven thi doesn chang fact that hell die final death don claim whether not afterlif sort hell you describ final death and not etern perpetu conscious will true that will never moment awar exist assum hell and not heaven word never dead hmmm hell doesn wors earth hell etern hear peopl love ill and di not suffer heaven statement not suffer hell statement sound odd your definit hell true statement person hell not suffer grant wouldn wouldn consciou experi whatsoev you hell death etern thi lose mean dead person and that threat sort etern punish make sens forc expect consciou thi etern atheist that thirst for afterlif simpli product propaganda friend you want free gift ternal life understand that earli jew not afterlif can back thi combin surviv instinct anim share differ conscious and onc idea etern life drill into brain desir sort super surviv and lot wors heaven that comparison that matter that depend heaven god king and etern heaven consist give and prais king opt for hell read love account missionari convert eskimo christian book illus immort corliss lamont missionari start speak heaven seal heaven will hunt ask eskimo missionari group eskimo effect good your heaven hunt scram highli recommend book ioi account side immort coin that immort alan terlep incestu vituper oakland univers rochest atterlep vela ac oakland edu melissa eggertsen rush angel fear tread pax dana
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write imo stowel miss point affirm absolut scriptur not arrog moralist god truth reveal truth word and hold preciou strateg import absolut stowel jump strang truth absolut don that necessarili follow truth absolut scriptur truth and absolut answer question perhap you can explain you determin part scriptur truth and truth absolut answer question scriptur true inspir god evid for thi claim discuss nauseum thi group similarli truth absolut absolut truth contradict term absolut true truth not true contradict term peopl claim that absolut world such statement terribl contradictori put you thi absolut shouldn conclud that statement absolut not absolut true contradict thi reason christian defi world claim that absolut univers consensu even evangel christian not mention rest christian biblic interpret peopl sometim disagre true thi not negat fact that absolut univers evangel christian profess truth man sin man salvat and jesu propiti for mankind sin name group that not profess statement cannot accur call evangel virgilio dean velasco depart electr eng and appli physic cwru graduat student roboticist train and wannabe bullwinkl that man intimid refere boss not doesn jewish carpent
soc.religion.christian	prodig son parabl prodig son not and isn immor person grace and love god peopl agre that younger son elder son simpli neg exampl thing think that earn father love that earn that entitl father tell that wrong track love for reason brother father son perform orient consist point will save grace onc christian want back earn and deserv you foolish begin spirit you attain your goal human effort gal niv stan armstrong religi studi dept saint mari univers halifax armstrong huski stmari att clyde watmath water dalc armstrng
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu emeri fluke john emeri write singl histor event that had biggest impact world centuri resurrect jesu time hotli contest topic jesu christ rise dead sinc eyewit longer live written account magnitud signific involv resurrect greatest event histori man greatest decept plai man massiv amount data delet john will not time rebut you point point will suggest current work will help your quest answer thi question john domin crossan professor religion paul univ cross that spoke harper and row pub latest work histor jesu life mediterranean jewish peasant harper and row pub two work burton mack professor testament claremont graduat school myth innoc fortress press and latest book lost gospel book and christian origin harper and row you start mack book and examin afterward that onc you that you will that your evid not sturdi you tire arguement you state assum eyewit account such not case mack and crossan and back randi
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu luomat alleg edu timothi luoma write articl apr atho rutger edu suppos you part christian consipraci peopl that christ had risen never mind stone burn aliv crucifixion talk scourg whip that us broken potteri metal bone and that find attach you stood face wall noth protect you scream agoni that your raw back torn you thi for lie and you had come hit you scream that lie beg for stop and that you swear your life that had lie stop flog beaten burn fed lion kill belief resurrect disappoint you idea resurrect can found host form religion antiqu problem not resurrect mediorc issu for tini fragment jewish popul saduce issu for real problem that christian pacifist and preach god state oper system divinit emperor monoth becom capit offens jew exempt thi and not evangelist christian vocal and gentil and danger and target persecut sinc christian rel powerless group made good scapegoat nero blame for burn rome not cloud issu resurrect randi agre you that christian not persecut specif believ resurrect belief that troubl depend belief resurrect jesu problem that altern great conspiraci common theori christian scholar that resurrect subject event effect delus clh
soc.religion.christian	etern hell hell moder write inclin read descript such lake fire indic annihil that minor view person view denomin that hold offici and sda can find refer didn lewi specul that hell state onc human soul
soc.religion.christian	summer program good decipleship train program min august end sept missionari program belong missionari allianc church oregon repli mail luom storm orst edu
soc.religion.christian	can sin block prayer mike boulder snsc unr edu mike mccormick write not honor wive can prayer hinder you husband likewis live your wive understand weaker vessel sinc woman and grant honor fellow heir grace life that your prayer not hinder peter interpret heard thi vers that refer sin physic abus wife husband physic stronger wife not permit us thi domin honor sister christ thi exampl specif sin that block prayer thi vers make kind husband decid god will for famili consult wife god reveal will husband and wife degre mutual decis make even understand bibl lead belief authoritarian headship husband incorpor thi order function famili that god speak wife husband and husband wife jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart eric damien present view christian respond point articl apr atho rutger edu gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write firstli atheist not post immatur flame start express opinion intend audienc strong opinion start human anim due advanc mental facil develop religion satisfi solut explain unexplain for exampl ancient greek believ that apollo drove chariot across sky each dai real due advanc technolog thi fals thi valid object religion explan natur fortun for conveni believ class question that can never reduc natur scienc for exampl univers exist time space world didn exist exist and for person man come into pure imperson cosmo question real mysteri life creation world and person provid perman indic that mean life materi world can found that world sourc anim sleep food and reproduc and die religion christian noth drug peopl us drug escap realiti christian inject jeezu and live that high you that man anim that you present unprov statement dogma you will and requir kind faith take such hard line your atheism you stumbl into religion your you write christian phoni and shallow hope you research into histori and varieti perhap read paul johnson histori christian your remark that you expos type christian religion and not even atheist faith man that movement year depth and anim endur valu wish richard aquina chonak norri mit edu usenet addict intp exclus and nuanc opinion licens info request
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi write pardon humbl atheist exactli differ hold reveal truth blind faith basi evid that you find contrari absolut truth fulli expect peopl you and arrog sound and wisdom whatsoev your word not surpris that you wisdom that your premis wrong word you claim that christian base blind faith thi simpli not current thread evid for jesu resurrect for evid that jesu real and that triumph death you that christian hold belief evid that you find contrari evid support your claim thi statement hominem argument mind you don mean thi person attack point intellectu dishonesti condemn christian thi fashion make sens you prove that christian base belief empti noth and that ignor evid contrari can you expect your attack make sens virgilio dean velasco depart electr eng and appli physic cwru graduat student roboticist train and wannabe bullwinkl that man intimid refere boss not doesn jewish carpent
soc.religion.christian	propheci nyc marka travi csd harri mark ashlei write soc religion christian you write david wilkerson propheci not real credibl rememb book wrote call vision that made predict that peopl bought gold hurt financi time gold half that thi predict stuck mind lot peopl work bui gold note that type predict not requir god made expert field can predict thing base experi bewar predict volcano will erupt tomorrow don follow preacher such statement that come true note that describ hypothet death friend result passion for fast motorcycl mother predict die father make good monei hobbi and depend final outcom situat end mention that relev reader road will impress that mother father had predict accur event casual statement final prophesi note that prophesi that can fulfil peopl fool believ bewar termin will unexpectedli shut and sec turn come anoth room and predict similar situat aris establish jewish state press for promin jew argu that predict that state and that time come read thi can sourc you can thi case establish state not fulfil prophesi sinc prophesi us order push for establish state decid trueli fulfil prophesi tricki leo mother want save marriag leonida hepi dai god that didn pre marit sex never born premarit lhep uhura sex beauti choic greg week rochest edu
soc.religion.christian	rfd soc religion islam ahmadiyya moder dear netter religi newsgroup soc religion islam ahmadiyya pro pose oct discuss thi propos newsgroup relat group propos suppos enter vote last week novemb due fals call for vote oppon vote had cancel quot statement moder announc newgroup current call for vote cfv for ahmadiyya newsgroup cancel call for vote will issu week possibl imparti vote taker discu sion propos open vote call lawrenc nov lot confus aros netter vote decid give cool period that confus month that instant and attempt creat thi newsgroup fresh rfd herebi issu part discuss titl head and new group cross post new group request for discuss name propos newsgroup soc religion islam ahmadiyya charter religi newsgroup discuss lief teach philosophi and ideolog major reli gion world exist foster religi knowledg and understand follow religion share common basi thi newsgroup will devot build peac mutual understand ahmadiyya branch islam peaceful belief ideolog and philosophi and branch islam foster world peac and develop understand religi peopl us post import religi event world wide ahmadiyya islam commun gener purpos group main purpos thi group will achiev discuss common belief major religion relat ahmadiyya muslim commun discuss doctrin origin and teach thi puissant spiritu forc earth iii examin islam teach and belief gener light quran and establish islam tradit centuri ahmadiyya perspect discuss similar ahmadi muslim and peopl religion world and discuss religi toler and respect faith can brought elimin inter religion rivalri and hatr peopl religion discuss origin and teach religion gener and islam and ahmadiyya muslim foster understand ahmadi muslim and religi peopl discuss current world problem and solut problem offer religion vii exchang import new and view ahmadiyya muslim commun and religion viii add divers religi newsgroup present usenet discuss religi persecut rise world and find solut remedi deter iorat situat world gener and islam world discuss contribut founder reli gion and peopl for human societi and world peac gener and intern ahmadiyya mu lim commun type group will moder for orderli and free religi dialo gue moder will not prevent disagr dissent belief will us prevent derogatori squalid us dialect and irrelev issu moder decid person mail and gener consensu propon discuss new group moder propos and agre moder nabeel rana rana rintintin colorado edu moder tahir ijaz ijaz ccu umanitoba descript ahmadiyya islam ahmadiyya movement islam intern organi sation founder qadian india founder thi sect hazrat mirza ghulam ahmad proclaim promis reform thi ag foretold almost major religion world todai islam christian judiasm hin duism claim long await second com jesu christ metaphor muslim mahdi and promis messiah claim that propheci contain almost great religion world advent messeng god fulfil claim hazrat ahmad rais storm hostil and extrem oposit priestlik peopl muslim chri tian jew and hindu that ag such opposit wit ness histori divin reform even todai thi sect persecut special muslim regim dispit opposit and persecut thi sect won adher countri million follow come divers ethnic and cultur background sect devot world peac and bring understand religion and founder reli gion mission unit mankind into univers broth erhood and develop understand faith ahmadi muslim oppos kind violenc and spe cialli religi intoller and fundament philanthrop activ sect tablish network hundr school hospit and clin ic world countri institut staf volunt profession and fulli financ sect intern resourc ahmadiyya mission bring univers moral reform establish peac and justic and unit mankind univers religion newsgroup creation call for vote call discuss will offici end vote will held for week group get major and creat vote don creat vote group creat question comment includ discuss directli rana rintintin colorado edu
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian previou articl dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi word question author mean you defi theist repli despit mother told accept dare you care you mean question author liter nonsens that authorat authorat and question word thi author ridicul open question isn author hand perfectli reason question whether author catch phrase authent author onc you authent your author you you not treat author difficulti that authent author not easi you can perhap discredit claim author show logic inconsist teach show that not obei rule discours fact that cannot discredit not inself accredit fact that can convinc and that discredit necessarilli mean that fals cannot accredit author independantli verifi teach can independantli verifi teach don author author inform cannot for authent author mean examin teach practic matter accept kind author don time rediscov fundament knowledg for ourselv scientist wore todai assum author scintif commun sort knowledg work not time verifi for spiritu matter accept author direct sourc ofinform select author base criteria cathol part histor claim church strongest author subject matter for belief simpli made for ourselv atheist posit that author thi reason assert lead practic difficulti you reject author hand you reject possibl receiv inform atheist posit can never possibl chang falsifi and unscintif demand scintif ration proof god exist deni god exist sinc scienc reason can natur prove mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment articl apr atho rutger edu heath athena uga edu terranc heath write realiz enter thi discuss late question wasn reagan appointe jame watt pentacost christian secretari interior problem deforest sinc live last dai and our last gener redwood heard thing confirm that alarm you bibl that second come will place michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	god love you davem bnr dave mielk write god love qualifi bibl wick abomin lord loveth that followeth righteous proverb for lord knoweth righteou ungodli perish psalm extrem uncomfort thi phrase god love uncondit unqualifi unfathom capabl reject god love never fail love vers not show that god love qualifi that oppos evil uncomfort tract gener innappropri emphasi hell god deserv love and worship not idea frighten peopl into accept christ evangel combin live that show god love put into word and explain that love preach gospel live gospel noisi gong clang cymbal question you christian you afraid hell respond god love jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi jemurrai magnu ac ohio state edu john murrai write opinion netter subject that bother wife and liturgi cathol liturgi last year that and hoc event mass drive crazi grace fill aspect liturg tradit that happen togeth led priest make kind dialogu present god mass participatori prayer hand advantag liturgi stai john describ hand peopl start tune word and pai attent thing chang innov priest and liturgi committe attent and make thing meaning for drive crazi peopl differ prefer and liturgi local parish innov prefer mass parish sometim don option attend mass style suit john put smilei offer solut relat issu that sound john not deal that spous liturg tast husband innov lituri challeng meet spiritu separ wai you includ factor satisfi children thing pretti complic thing rememb that even uncongeni mass mass jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write firstli atheist not post immatur flame start express opinion intend audienc delet anim sleep food and reproduc and die glad that not atheist tragic that peopl choos meaningless exist terribl live fear death life feel for eric and attempt share joi life consid evid infecti natur christian christian free human person love choos and creat will live forev god christ not kind drug drug replac for christ empti spot god shape hole heart eas pain thi effect substanc abus recoveri program involv meet peopl spiritu you eric for your post help god bless hope that you will somedai joi fill and abund life jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	lent suffer save stori relat apparit approv church worthi belief happen sall franc moral lesson stori lamb god sacrif and blood us cleans sin moment god perceiv worthi heaven mari weep for lamb and for rest offspr thi will continu disobei god sin mari messeng task make awar evil serpent commun war famin unfaith disobedi god etc run rest offspr children astrai disobedi led dragon brought back peac and love messag repar for sin obei god command and worthi presenc lamb conceiv sin worthi bear son god womb mari prepar church bodi christ for second come make protect dragon prepar eden revers deed ancient ev eden will sanctuari righteou judg christ come relat stori thi and mari apparit centuri appear two children goat and cow forgot exact place weep and tell children that afraid lose son arm mourn for townfolk fault that drought harvest not good food thi year last year mari tell children townfolk thi place work week even sundai church honor god townfolk swear and son name bad word that son arm heavi pain ask prai children ask prai morn and night children back work had thi new spred and thorough investig incid townfolk convert and faith and obedi god restor commun onc lamb succe marida spread god word action mother teresa
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart norri athena mit edu write thi valid object religion explan natur fortun for conveni believ class question that can never reduc natur scienc for exampl univers exist thi you assum god that exist exist question revers can assum univers exist you assum god exist univers time space world didn exist exist and for person man come into pure imperson cosmo question real mysteri life creation world and person provid perman indic that mean life materi world can found that world sourc that dai man not can creat life can creat man don thi happen lifetim assert probabl possibl scientist work hard decod genet code perhap cure diseas genet variat divin prupos man exist you that man anim that you present unprov statement dogma you will and requir kind faith take such hard line your atheism you stumbl into religion your can man fall into mammal catagori man soul find evid such man mammal babi born live mother milk warm blood etc mammal and similar genet construct primat for thi check talk origin you write christian phoni and shallow hope you research into histori and varieti perhap read paul johnson histori christian your remark that you expos type christian religion and not even atheist faith man that movement year depth and anim endur valu buddhism confucian taoism hinduism judaism zoeraster shintoism and islam fit thi bit logic quit nice depth endur valu true stephen atheist libertarian pro individu pro respons and that jazz
soc.religion.christian	weird earli christian halsal murrai fordham edu paul halsal write recent read peter brown bodi and societi research and written rais upset question earli christian weird even todai carzi fundi had odd view sex odder view bodi total ludicr view demon and distinctli uncharit view human be last heard print reprint read barbara hambl search hill histor fiction set rome time earli church captur weird earli christian and glimps holi odd view make lot sens context societi live found remark posit view christian that author not christian anoth that each chapter begin origin sourc quot that make good start point for research jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi wrote articl apr atho rutger edu vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco wrote affirm absolut scriptur not arrog moralist god truth reveal truth word and hold preciou strateg import absolut pardon humbl atheist exactli differ hold reveal truth blind faith basi evid that you find contrari absolut truth fulli expect peopl you and arrog you bother check good dictioanri thesauru you will find that arrog offens exhibit presum real superior paraphras webster arrognac pride and haughti person can absolut truth even blindli that mean obnoxi person can humbl author question defi theist repli athiest and quit arrog arrog not you you relat you and you present your overwhelm experi christian that arrog apologoz for and behalf offfend you experi forum usenet you good mix peopl that arrog christian and athiest occur equal number phil hei talk phone compani phone compani doesn opinion thi kind stuff thi
soc.religion.christian	greek wordprocessor databas greek databas word processor that can thing count occurr word letter post thi for friend studi greek nico can you email seldom into usenet nowadai nicodemu chan raffl hall nu kent ridg cre depart inform system singapor tel comput scienc hometown address nation univers singapor nanyang estat jinjang north kent ridg crescent kuala lumpur malaysia singapor mail isc nusunix nu channico isc nu call and will answer you and show thee great and unsearch thing you not jeremiah
soc.religion.christian	rise mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write displai dead bodi jesu even jewish and roman author gain lot discredit christian told gospel that pharise and scribe bribe roman soldier that dicipl stole bodi night good excus for jewish and roman object that dai clator lbutler hubcap clemson edu
soc.religion.christian	johnni hart comic strip mail address subject pretti for johnni hart creator comic stip mail address for you haven strip for good fridai and easter sundai remark wit can touch contact paper that carri strip and back for your dave arndt peter evangel lutheran church peter darndt nic gac edu
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu mhsu lonestar utsa edu melinda hsu write belief that faith total truth belief come bibl and bibl word god and god truth truth thi stanc make difficult discuss faith and hesit christian truth faith aris will choic that choic part faith and part reason choic discuss christian remind schoolyard discuss grade school kid policemen jerk you daddi told you you daddi argument stop end aren kid grope for truth author declar belief fals find thi argument strang not unfamiliar analog us back can perhap illustr for exampl peopl live volcan island and group geologist determin that volcano immin warn peopl island that danger and leav group peopl island task warn danger danger real not that mean that group necessarili arrog warn danger mean that that belief correct and fals react opposit arrog and behav arrog manner that person idiocyncraci not necessarili mean that arrog steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa steve hay fidonet org stephen hay fidonet org
soc.religion.christian	convers apr environment and pagan user michael covington aisun write christian devot bit effort bash pagan and figur present gospel pagan christ answer pagan lot question unlik materialist deni for spiritu and answer question turn christian case religion whai you presum lectur david hunt
soc.religion.christian	god love you simpli dave mielk dave bnr for share tract god love and great sourc comfort carol bocher
soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi articl apr atho rutger edu jemurrai magnu ac ohio state edu john murrai write exampl last sundai palm sundai local church palm sundai congreg particip read passion take role mob theologi thi profound crucifi mean and back todai chill last week invit sit gospel passion and listen orwellian invit palm sundai parish invit role jesu passion declin particip last year liturgi meet point crucifi christ sin that retain role crowd avail musician reader and thing introduc liturgi and sinc happen thing explain and pretti lot mass sit listen space case mass mind lai blame liturgi committe made lai expert that not that liturgi committe bia noth that fact bureaucrat life even simpler liturgi fact make easier for peopl awar lord presenc member liturgi committe can you that problem peopl domin want kind innov priest don even want make decis case guess easier refus parish holi thursdai priest wash feet peopl feet priest congreg invit come and wash anoth hand symbol thi action distress and refus particip thought that come rubric for thi liturg action bodi christ amen for receiv communion that not respons for blood thi man for part eucharist prayer bless you god creation substitut text read lai coupl priest not thi part mass and disturb that declin receiv communion that night aren requir offer prayer for priest and parish wonder oddbal qualiti mass don mean that faceti mass thursdai fridai and remind power simpl liturgi make awar god presenc obligatori sundai mass offer notic declin congreg particip cathol mass qualiti mass not chang celebr rubric set church liturg beauti problem come peopl creativ not answer your question particip that father peter stravinska answer question pose titl thoma dai cathol can sing don want thi nonsens for cathol read thi problem not reflect bad liturgi cathol church disobedi church chang author steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog dean velasco quot letter jame stowel presid moodi bibl institut dai dry cleaner and radio plai caught attent talk show guest critic evangel christian absolut and absolut affirm absolut scriptur not arrog moralist god truth reveal truth word and hold preciou strateg import absolut lot discuss hit exactli critic arrog aim arrog attack that absolut short evangel claim that infal matter religi text problem epistemolog shorthand you can epistemolog you that question turn troubl problem absolut certainti that bottom think insid your head you can that happen your head infal reason you discov sourc truth question and that mean you not absolut justif for your sourc author mean you not absolut certainti specif exampl biblic inerr and fiction inerrantist name zeke argument appli idea papal infal zeke presum spent time studi bibl and histori and topic conclud base studi and possibl religi experi that bibl sourc absolut truth correct even cannot that correct conclus depend studi histori made mistak and refer us contain mistak conclus depend studi bibl made mistak conclus depend reason and made mistak notic common thread studi world that that happen head limit think matter and cover mistak can never infal long part belief base reason that belief cannot consid absolut zeke believ that found sourc absolut truth that belief good qualiti search made for can that reason flawless conclus doubt belief that you hold absolut sourc truth depend part your think loop infal thinker can absolut certainti belief thi easi demonstr back shorthand method epistemolog you imagin hypothet discuss bibl sourc absolut truth you studi histori and bibl and religi write and church teach and thi conclus you you studi histori correctli doubl check you you doubl check correctli compar answer smart peopl and agre smart gui believ that doesn mean true you studi correctli and you will eventu point can prove that mistak and long you made mistak you cannot absolut loop thi arrog christian aris peopl that person research can give absolut certainti doctrin christian implicitli claim that infal and that possibl mistak claim that you cannot made mistak and that your think led you flawless conclus pretti arrog peopl want thi argument explain great detail find infal church georg salmon attack idea that pope can knowabl infal and gener argument appli equal idea that bibl knowabl inerr darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu core found belief li belief that unfound ludwig wittgenstein
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write truth absolut scriptur truth and absolut answer question perhap you can explain you determin part scriptur truth and truth absolut answer question perhap definit absolut absolut that constant across time cultur situat etc true instanc you agre thi definit you similarli truth absolut absolut truth contradict term absolut true truth not true contradict term simpl exampl testament don bibl work and can provid refer women instruct silent and cover head church thi scriptur your definit thi truth and absolut women your church speak cover head scriptur absolut truth that women speak and come church bare head intoler evangel women speak evangel church and come bare head thi case evangel church grew evangel not take thi part scriptur absolut truth and plenti exampl can you reconcil thi peopl claim that absolut world such statement terribl contradictori put you thi absolut shouldn conclud that statement absolut not absolut true contradict don claim that absolut and determin absolut difficult thi reason christian defi world claim that absolut univers consensu even evangel christian not mention rest christian biblic interpret peopl sometim disagre true thi not negat fact that absolut univers you claim that scriptur absolut can you determin absolut deriv scriptur you can agre interpret scriptur difficult you can claim base your interpret absolut you deni that your background educ prejudic etc come into plai you read bibl and determin interpret passsag you deni that you fact interpret carol alvin caralv auto trol
soc.religion.christian	prayer jesu name read biblic idiom speak name standard arama hebrew legal idiom for todai call power attornei person jesu cultur author conduct busi john name had full author john financi affair held solemn fiduciari oblig work for john benefit and conson john wish not requir for steward prefac each busi transact john name suffici valid power attornei and oper good faith note overlap legal and religi definit faith thi cultur background prai jesu name not mandat verbal formula requir that petition oper faithfulli and conscious analog fiduciari relationship jesu and for purpos kingdom messag prai jesu name close align parabl talent and passag god deleg kingdom busi steward resourc and respons thi idea prai jesu name not present promin lord prayer verbal forumula absent act prai word jesu name benefici clarifi relationship request advanc god kingdom for that reason not quit readi that prai formula mean prayer god for purpos desper anger thanksgiv etc don thi categori whether utter christian christian whether that for you don christ word contradict idea that god deal prayer omnisci and grace van kelli vek research att opinion and not
soc.religion.christian	natur god environment and pagan articl apr atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write christian devot bit effort bash pagan and figur present gospel pagan christ answer pagan lot question unlik materialist deni for spiritu thing find interst pagan belief belief feminin deiti masculin deiti brought christian household wonder god father mother father mother unbalanc fortun person theologi will not fall into line lot recogn god gender and posess qualiti gender masculin and feminin forc sens balanc find sore lack theologi lack respons for lot unbalanc wai world and treat each terranc heath heath athena uga edu your comfort silenc act fight back talk back
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart disclaim thi post statement and question easili interpret sarcast not written thi repli even hand manner that can emot boil surfac written accept thi attempt foster dialog and rest assur that make attempt make fun gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write firstli atheist not post immatur flame start express opinion intend audienc human anim due advanc mental facil develop religi satisfi solut explain unexplain hmmm anim thi planet advanc mental facil not develop religion satisfactori explain for unexplain thi appear that human explain unexplain thi anim thi planet includ advanc mental facil perfectli content ignor point that your presupposit scream your unsupport statement human anim religion exist crutch that unexplain not research religion made human address perceiv biolog aspect human deifi that aspect human life can categor hierarch structur biologi apex needless disagre your strong opinion and underli presupposit christian infecti cult reason flourish peopl hope driven purpos life safeti blank hide wow follow thi christian moral standard and etern happi for you found jeezu you brink disagre that christian infecti cult shown persist belief system spite persecut past two millenia that continu persever not demonstr that infecti derrogatori sens that workabl system for adher and argu that thi case disagre that christian safeti blanket supplant hope and purpos point individu sourc hope and purpos noth hidden christian sourc for hope and purpos us you distinct intern motiv hope and purpos and extern hope and purpos appar loss control life problem final not etern happi christian moral standard sole reason for exist christian standard inadequ save peopl imperfect moral standard guid christian real power moral live christian person god spirit heaven two final state that christian doctrin postul christian gener not motiv live christian moral standard thi promis futur reward motiv perceiv benefit and digress reason christian flourish infecti natur friend mine breifli enter christian group and month set ministri guidelin for basicali thi prioriti spread word christian organ concern evangel prioriti and rightli for jesu gave thi prioriti for follow not penultim prioriti evangel understood preach word convert cost repeat convert infinitum such evangel gener respect opinion demonstr real benefit christian lifestyl thi demonstr power that compel christian seek christian needless such demonstr not easili accom plish take radic committ person jesu not happen quickli persever part christian requir and cannot occur person bond friendship exist ineffect stranger cannot evalu demonstr time and easi alien harm sole purpos friend gain convers long time christian year view skep ticism evangel program incorpor hurri attitud pressur convers ultim wors convers pressur convert realiz coerc and disavow christian open futur had not advantag bibl state that spirit god bring convict wrong peopl content part wit and spirit rest anim sleep food and reproduc and die anim sleep eat reproduc and die anim true capabl thi your person vision human limit can hope and prai that you will somedai find expans view for reflect anim wide varieti perform art that human that human can learn languag human anim that anim cannot that human can organ social structur anim structur religion christian noth drug blatant assert christian not physic addict christian not psycholog addict christian not thing snort ingest shoot relationship live you validli character close knit relationship thi appel peopl us drug escap realiti christian inject jeezu and live that high jesu freak emot aspect worship and christian live gain and retain upper hand even thi not invalid foundat thing flow piti million live lost religi war christian had small part guilti associ that christian forc anoth not christian christian believ that person blind truth cannot realiz that live thi mask fake each dai jesu prophet happen larg influenc that time roman circa dispers jewish popul and commun need sort cohes element strong that time dire you amaz certainti happen year ago you come cannot accept your conclus that jesu influenc sole result roman sack jerusalem year thi time strain bound credul assert that noth jesu life noteworthi sack thought christian christian relationship jesu christ you read world wrong phil buckland and that deceiv psb eec ksu edu tagor strai bird psb matt ksu ksu edu
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write real problem that christian pacifist and preach god state oper system divinit emperor monoth becom capit offens jew exempt thi and not evangelist disagre your claim that jew not evangelist narrow sens word jewish proselyt widespread numer account jewish proselyt testament and roman and greek document dai jim eggertj atc mit edu jim eggert
soc.religion.christian	question newbi concept god teacher interest grade curv cheat that interest not mention thought provok concept that father and children that love love that can never understand bibl that heart final measur that perspect grade context heart final test specif christian agre that heaven and hell that perspect heaven hell you grade pass fail basi god father intervent jesu son not for god see heart bibl heart can and unchang method that make relationship christ secur uncertain and chang landscap yesterdai todai and tomorrow whether not childhood considerd part test convict that case wouldn heaven bibl speak plainli love and care jesu had for and children realiti that children bigger bodi and grei hair father father father for deciplin love sometim christian test make and doesn pass heaven and don place that expert travel for light and home prai that can bring
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soc.religion.christian	ancient book articl apr atho rutger edu atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write don convinc atheist valid christian argument foster faith and understand god wrong atheist led christian argument thi excel question and anxiou such case doubt mediev period esp cent aquina flourish argument tool knew rule todai you can count peopl know even basic logic rhetor good argument indistinguish poor perenni gripe ken miner kuhub ukan edu can explain opinion chesterton
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism hope you had bless easter document refut notion that sspx societi saint piu schism that legitim excommun interest read truth thi matter email and send document email page long wont post new group titl schismat excommun thi articl origin english translat societi saint piu ireland french journal courrier rome french articl turn translat italian roman newslett thi booklet contain transcript minor edit irish articl and transcrib and produc john clai townsvil queensland australia copyright attach simon shield content schismat excommun cathol rack choic sensu fidei ambigu church not bicephal two head person and function pope uniti faith and uniti communion criteria choic ecumen attack uniti church extraordinari situat church extraordinari duti lai peopl duti and power bishop fact greater duti fact greater power power and duti papaci elect bishop state and necess church real state necess for soul for seminarian ordinari mean exhaust act not intrins evil and resul limit effect requir author pope not put into question excommun conclus bibliographi god bless irish fairwel road rise meet you wind your back sun shine warm your face rain fall soft your field and meet god hold you palm hand simon shield programm viva cristo rei monash univers colleg gippsland jh switchback churchil fax australia internet simon giaec monash edu
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl stan seanna bnr seanna watson ask object celebr easter object natur you phrase easter eashtar ishtar ishtarti spell pagan whore goddess fertil your question object celebr pagan whore goddess phrase that suspect hope that becom immeadi appar object celebr celebr resurrect jesu you think perhap ressurect sundai not crazi word sundai thi phrase envok name whore goddess for that matter stai biblic and call omar rasheet feast fruit torah command that thi observ dai sabbath passov week sundai name modern parlanc object observ resurrect dai week occur jump calendar easter not sundai passov bibl seek unbibl method don recal command scriptur for celebr resurrect sole and reason that christian not celebr thi question easter whore goddess for celebr resurrect that whore discuss name problem suggest that concern etymolog lot word drop termin peopl ottawa want dictionari alter that neg definit associ word black not offend peopl colour heard your newspap speak repav street afro canadiantop grin blacktop sound short person hope will remov definit curt surli associ physic descript fine and left hand peopl sinist and gauch will object that quarter quebec french word for celebr resurrect que thi etymolog relat pesach passov and pascal lamb french canadian roman cathol celebr name that sound think that phrase sound wors thi infer that rule for christian jewish descent happen jew greek slave free male femal for christ jesu read letter philemon philemon slave return rule slave philemon male and femal rule that appli male and femal can adam and steve marri each your congreg differ form and function come salvat messiah remain matter posit life gener not favor continu thi discuss repetit thi point that object not holidai name suggest that peopl carefulli thi argument word chang mean time dai week origin base pagan god christian prefer refer dai second dai etc major christian not persuad question whether make differ dictionari show deriv word peopl mean and us suggest that post thi danger suppos peopl gener us easter mean celebr christ resurrect post convinc that mean celebr honor godess run risk creat exactli situat that claim oppos creat linkag peopl mind celebr and pagan goddess not clear that thi healthi thing clh
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soc.religion.christian	easter not deriv ishtar recent post identifi english word easter babylonian goddess ishtar easter pagan word noth ishtar easter and ishtar relat histori show english easter eostr cognat english east and german ost reconstruct proto german form austron not easter high front vowel ishtar two word quit separ origin neo pagan worship ishtar easter make mistak etymolog deliber plai word michael covington linguist michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl stan daniel segard dsegard nyx edu wrote lot stuff delet for that matter stai biblic and call omar rasheet feast fruit torah command that thi observ dai sabbath passov week sundai name modern parlanc object observ resurrect dai week occur jump calendar easter not sundai passov bibl seek unbibl method fact that reason easter jump calendar passsov lunar holidai not solar and fall wide span time time that easter not fall passov easter link vernal equinox begin spring delet thi question easter whore goddess for celebr resurrect that whore discuss your obsess term whore cloud your argument whore judgement not descript term delet thi argument illustr etymolog fallaci louw semant greek that idea that true mean word li origin and linguist form fact experi demonstr that mean word bound us not modern peopl make connect whatsoev easter and ishtar daniel seagard for that mean that highli idiosyncrat mean and not that refut revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	rebuild templ chuck petch write appear that noth stand rebuild and resum sacrific scriptur will happen last dai isra govern will give permiss start hand god hold project readi happen brother and sister time hand redempt draw scriptur levit priesthood resum jew can legitim prove levit bloodlin todd steven tcsteven iaserv ingr
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl stan articl apr atho rutger edu dsegard nyx edu daniel segard write seanna bnr seanna watson ask object celebr easter object natur you phrase easter eashtar ishtar ishtarti spell pagan whore goddess fertil celebr resurrect jesu you think perhap ressurect sundai tsk tsk argument issu roman cathol and that peopl celebr easter and christma for relat jesu don care dieti peopl definit easter that busi don interfer easter resurrect sundai that come peopl celebr easter for cadburri bunni that busi thi infer that rule for christian jewish descent happen jew greek slave free male femal for christ jesu curiou thi jesu import jew thought thought prophet that true celebr easter for
soc.religion.christian	mysteri paradox for book that specif address mysteri god paradox read that touch subject chapter detail read awar book that deal thi subject mail barbara
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey that two public announc plan marri made vow god and unswervingli commit anoth realiz thi subject qualifi marri join god sight suppos unabl altar current time pure logist reason control you thi post mail gener respons you clarif ask mail and god bless robert anderson iii randerso acad sah uth tmc edu
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect minor problem articl post proof christ resurrect scriptur quotat thi sort reason such that you beleiv you justifi not your beleif vain you beleiv quotat peopl beleiv peopl justifi posit second logic proof quot text yfn ysu edu famili magazin sysop subject wit proof christ resurrect date apr gmt delet centuri bodi produc refut jesu assert that rise dead probabl perpetr such hoax successfulli entir world for centuri astronom neg end quot text period time that elaps event grow larger not increas odd that hoax discov fact longer hoax perpetu stronger becom final proof resurrect christ spirit communion and father matter faith belief logic proof inced largest stumbl block for ration western man includ hope that thi spirit intend and not reject resurrect occur beleiv want point weak logic proof
soc.religion.christian	lent suffer save correct stori relat apparit approv church worthi belief happen sall franc that salett franc admit geographi not fort onc lamb succe marida spread god word action mother teresa
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write truth absolut scriptur truth and absolut answer question perhap you can explain you determin part scriptur truth and truth absolut answer question perhap definit absolut absolut that constant across time cultur situat etc true instanc you agre thi definit you similarli truth absolut absolut truth contradict term absolut true truth not true contradict term agre your definit us term decept admit simpl exampl testament don bibl work and can provid refer women instruct silent and cover head church thi scriptur your definit thi truth and absolut hold that scriptur true discern exactli jesu paul and compani not easi don that paul that women behav that that circumst time women speak avoid volubl and cover head thi maintain proper wit rememb that number relativist statement can deriv absolut for instanc absolut for christian strive for peac thi not rule maintain world peac resort violenc occas opinion evangel not take thi part scriptur absolut truth and plenti exampl can you reconcil thi bibl preach absolut truth exactli truth sometim matter confus bibl preach absolut truth sometim fundament principl crystal clear evangel sometim not clear baptism full immers not etc that larg sometim not explicitli spell whether writer speak cultur christian thi scholarship and studi biblic context come difficult you can claim base your interpret absolut god reveal truth world word utterli unavoid that peopl whill come altern interpret practic can misinterpret come matter and wrong care deni that virgilio dean velasco depart electr eng and appli physic cwru graduat student roboticist train and wannabe bullwinkl that man intimid refere boss not doesn jewish carpent
soc.religion.christian	etern hell hell andrew cmu edu andrew byler write and that imposs destroi soul hmmm food for thought fear can destroi soul and bodi gehenna math jack
soc.religion.christian	for jew quot year ago grab net thi newsgroup sourc for whether thi accur quot bartlett leav homosexu line group nazi extermin germani for communist and didn speak wasn communist for jew and didn speak wasn jew for trade unionist and didn speak wasn trade unionist for homosexu and didn speak wasn homosexu for cathol and didn speak protest for that time left speak pastor martin neimol
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write firstli atheist not post immatur flame start express opinion intend audienc delet anim sleep food and reproduc and die don meant defend eric mola find somewhat annoi pop alt atheism atheist belief can christian annoi point thing glad that not atheist tragic that peopl choos meaningless exist mean god not mean atheist point view you want mean your life you and make free gift mean never quit understood god can give your life mean you exist that you purpos you care accept that thing digress terribl live fear death life thi trueli miser exist doubt eric endur life can enjoy you can live you purposeful you can live endeavour make not you terribl feel for eric and attempt share joi life consid evid infecti natur christian true remeb almost see that joi illus and not want isn bad christian free human person love choos and creat atheist free human person love choos and creat will live forev god begin diverg will not live forev don you will you your opinion matter christ not kind drug tend agre you opinion that unlik drug religion normal part human societi outliv useful evid quit ordinari normal thing that haven prove lethal human drug replac for christ empti spot god shape hole heart eas pain heard thi claim quit time god shape hole busi thi effect substanc abus recoveri program involv meet peopl spiritu you want provid evid time you make claim thi you eric for your post help god bless hope that you will somedai joi fill and abund life don eric not wise assum joi fill and abund life hold belief dan johnson and god jeez thi dull and dull genesi opinion show
soc.religion.christian	clarif easter respons lot email clarifi posit not favor pagan not favor easter bunni christian aspect easter present celebr incident easter egg not christian end lenten fast point distinguish intention worship pagan deiti and onc had pagan associ nowadai not understood intend such peopl accus illog claim that worship pagan deiti know worship matter intent cannot worship know that michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	prophet warn york citi start read group wonder post exactli prophet warn nyc suggest send email hold file case clh
soc.religion.christian	sex marriag talk recent latin rite earli church us bless sex union idea copi rite exist part notifi mail understand that similar ceremoni written slavon exist can find doesn matter whether latin rite origin translat prefer english version slavon rite exist advanc doug hay psu had question thi past sourc claim john boswel talk work public noth publish haven heard sourc anoth sourc wait for boswel public order talk clh
soc.religion.christian	etern hell hell dariu dariu lecoint dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu write dariu vic mmalt guild org vic kulikauska write dariu suggest thi etern dariu hell theori provid biblic evid can dariu find for stai human theori and dariu into account refer bibl topic thi good start matthew will etern punish righteou etern life post thi subject time case clear that fate damn unpleas and avoid david wagner sola scriptura confession lutheran suggest that discuss base singl quotat bad proce passag consist theori sensibl proce and can come view that encompass clh
soc.religion.christian	question that bee bother articl apr atho rutger edu atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write religi peopl threaten scienc systemat remov physic proof god exist time reli and faith and spiritu world relat god becuas scienc remov prop don thi bad thing resent your assumpt that you threaten scienc even that threaten admit reason threaten scienc noth for proof lord exist god reveal wai includ degre scienc problem scienc that assum for ourselv god endow abil produc life sexual relat for exampl not make that avail that mean that scienc can ride god decis alter that god will for power decid and not children men allow babi that made peopl had abil end live unnatur and abil bring live into world unnatur closest thing artifici creat life artifici creat death and god reserv judgement peopl die reli god wisdom peopl brought world thi not that reject form medic treatment treatment that allevi pain prevent pain occur perfectli accept accept for jesu cure sick treatment that prolong life for reason make unnecessari alter bodi for mere aesthet purpos not happi beauti god gave cannot draw solid line approv scientif studi and not will thi experi univers find secret want thi knowledg alter bodi themsel bodi not satisfactori cannot make gener rule that will cover case will that each person prai for guidanc unravel mysteri univers and ceas unravel reason search displeas god malcusco
soc.religion.christian	ancient book articl apr atho rutger edu miner kuhub ukan edu write atheist convert argument thi excel question and anxiou such case doubt mediev period esp cent aquina flourish argument tool knew rule todai you can count peopl know even basic logic rhetor good argument indistinguish poor last sentenc iron sinc reader soc religion christian not embarrass apologist such josh mcdowel and lewi express odd sens histori make you mass aquina dai illiter knew rhetor and logic peopl todai write period elev that cream crop speak read and write mediev period knew rule matter uncrit accept told bill mayn thi unfair lewi promin fallaci attribut liar lunat and lord quot christian thi logic fallaci origin context not clh
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment articl apr atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write articl apr atho rutger edu heath athena uga edu terranc heath write realiz enter thi discuss late question wasn reagan appointe jame watt pentacost christian secretari interior problem deforest sinc live last dai and our last gener redwood heard thing confirm that alarm you bibl that second come will place that you find will happen you rape sight
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write truth absolut scriptur truth and absolut answer question perhap definit absolut absolut that constant across time cultur situat etc true instanc you agre thi definit you similarli truth absolut absolut truth contradict term absolut true truth not true contradict term agre carol determin absolut practic speak wast time and easili forget that rel truth fact rel for exampl recent ask children question temperatur water boil answer degre consist ask knew scale and told degre scale that thermomet that sincer and true experi speaker simpli wrong not absolut truth similarli scriptur full truth nurtur and cherish determin part absolut truth and part manifest that context time and cultur text pen miss point religion easili becom intellectu head trip devoid live experi indwel triniti and becom dead scholastic imo exampl head cover church delet thi good exampl absolut truth write simplest understand passag that instruct appli corinthian and not necessarili instruct reflect absolut truth context centuri cultur and climat corinth lot troubl order absolut truth and compel even reason reason that evangel not take thi part scriptur absolut truth and plenti exampl can you reconcil thi even die hard literalist not bibl liter meet take vers bless take your babi and smash head rock liter bibl not print hand god color code part interpret peopl claim that absolut world such statement terribl contradictori put you thi absolut shouldn conclud that statement absolut not absolut true contradict don claim that absolut and determin absolut difficult agre and even knew person not express that that convei absolut truth anoth presenc absenc absolut not make differ sinc can never fulli apprehend absolut walk and greet consensu even evangel christian not mention rest christian biblic interpret peopl sometim disagre true thi not negat fact that absolut univers can prove exist absolut can reli experi trust god revel that cannot fulli comprehend infinit can comprehend absolut don can never essenc god energi and god manifest god creation realiti can that absolut practic import claim that origin scriptur autograph perfect copi not swell care doesn affect practic that god made lot electr blue chicken and that live mar god that effect deal neighbor god whether not thi that cafeteria for lunch thi attitud lead christian that christian arrog idiot incap critic reason christian true wonder and sensibl appeal reason sinc reason reflect logo god explan that violat that simpli insecur authoritarian respons complex world note not claim place for author that silli world differ authorit and authoritarian authorit express author that respect authoritarian express author that fail that and gener agress good parent god authorit christian simpli authoritarian and not surprisingli adult respond thi treatment larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write norri athena mit edu write discuss begin univers exist thi you assum god that exist exist question revers can assum univers exist you assum god exist univers law natur and effect dictat thi layman mind causal event reason altern exist can law natur demand that isn true natur super natur that dai man not can creat life can creat man don thi happen lifetim assert probabl possibl scientist work hard decod genet code perhap cure diseas genet variat divin prupos man exist genet code will deciph lifetim will not man convert inert materi into sustain reproduc life never prophet can even pictur york mind don technolog produc that spark life despit part opinion you that man anim that you present unprov statement dogma you will and requir kind faith take such hard line your atheism you stumbl into religion your can man fall into mammal catagori that preposit sort preclud absolut doesn absolut conclus left word faith work nice man soul find evid such man mammal babi born live mother milk warm blood etc mammal and similar genet construct primat for thi check talk origin you write christian phoni and shallow hope you research into histori and varieti perhap read paul johnson histori christian your remark that you expos type christian religion and not even atheist faith man that movement year depth and anim endur valu buddhism confucian taoism hinduism judaism zoeraster shintoism and islam fit thi bit logic quit nice depth endur valu true equal scale and equal standard investig and discov god whether for denial god ultim statement faith falsifi exist for isn thi purpos religion discov and discoveri god you don mind send prayer your behalf your research you christ delud ourselv you noth worri king return jason jason smith jason atlastel not young
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian danger real not that mean that group necessarili arrog warn danger mean that that belief correct and fals react opposit arrog and behav arrog manner that person idiocyncraci not necessarili mean that arrog member group not necessarili arrog absolut that volcano will erupt expect chosen knowledg peopl determin that volcano will erupt absolut come religi discuss arrog naivet reflect type statement loui kim southwest research institut fax post offic drawer lkim swri edu san antonio compuserv
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism articl apr atho rutger edu simon giaeb monash edu simon shield write hope you had bless easter document refut notion that sspx societi saint piu schism that legitim excommun interest read truth thi matter email and send document email page long wont post new group interest select post net understand that sspx not schism legitim excommun that besid point roman cathol church excommun can real apart formal excommun provid for canon law orthodox don cinsid ourselv schismat excommun cathol church consid dissid thi inappropri for thi group charter ofm will larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell charter whether thi group discuss peopl concern not interest thi reinvok gener cathol protest polem don issu primarili specif cathol clh
soc.religion.christian	book can point good book dead sea scroll qumran advanc repli mail bassili arizona edu
soc.religion.christian	lazaru smell articl apr atho rutger edu rolf dsuvax dsu edu tim rolf write guess that lazaru come for sake crowd read morton smith jesu magician that lazaru wasn dead tomb part initi rite for magi cult jesu part appear that dai stai normal haven read that book anoth smith similar claim made jesu smith earli chrisitan found argument similar book holi blood holi grail build conjectur top conjectur direct evid you summar argument for happi you pai care attent natur evid clh
soc.religion.christian	question newbi jerri kaufman write bibl that heart final measur that perspect grade context heart final test true that life open book test
soc.religion.christian	pantheism environment articl apr atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write articl apr atho rutger edu heath athena uga edu terranc heath write realiz enter thi discuss late question wasn reagan appointe jame watt pentacost christian secretari interior problem deforest sinc live last dai and our last gener redwood heard thing confirm that alarm you bibl that second come will place michael covington recal watt make comment thi effect quit year back and can cite specif recal that cecil andru secretari interior carter administr respond watt comment point stewardship role that god gave man record genesi make true conserv that conserv want conserv thing for long term societ benefit thi form conserv logic extend physic environ peopl live moral environ relat anoth and god imho watt stewardship statu not enhanc fact that serv board director for jim bakker organ time bakker commit crimin act eventu land bakker feder prison bob rgolder hoh mbl edu anoth baptist
soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi articl apr atho rutger edu crep lateran uc indiana edu stephen crep write articl apr atho rutger edu jemurrai magnu ac ohio state edu john murrai write palm sundai parish invit role jesu passion declin particip last year liturgi meet point crucifi christ sin that retain role crowd avail musician reader and thing introduc liturgi and sinc happen thing explain and pretti lot mass sit listen space case mass mind lai blame liturgi committe made lai peopl awar lord presenc cathol and activ lutheran innov mass made leav cathol church and return tradit cathol chuch lutheran spent year lector read passion part cathol church and found meaning lutheran parish institut tenebra servic for good fridai and lector for paraphras passion except heard and learn thing that previous overlook gospel fact matter interest pastor and talk differ and lutheran church holi week breakfast easter sundai member liturgi committe can you that problem peopl domin want kind innov priest don even want make decis case guess easier refus wife member liturgi committe famili call music and worship church pastor control thi committe listen carefulli committe suggest strong hand lead and guid intent and messag clear and strong lent and rest liturg year addit reason for leav cathol faith lack selfless spiritu guidanc priest parish aka wishi washi you gather comment feel that import denomin guidelin servic mass promot true reason that gather quit comfort tradit mass receiv holi communion tongu sacrament penanc not reconcili station cross and reason type mass and parish exist feel not share want peopl attend church and find lord don want attend show not church work hard meaning servic lent wednesdai follow tradit lutheran book worship guidelin thing chang omit lent such hymn prais note that awar reason that not quit frankli hard for cathol mass and fit dear wife never methodist and holi week mass and vigil intimid daylight cathol cathol bear thi understand mean mind gather togeth worship not worri not wrong that you feel address mean talk your priest pastor met wouldn listen provid spiritu guidanc and us differ cathol church fundament decis chang faith prayer intervent and session priest and minist christ kershner kershner wyatt kwyatt ccscola columbiasc ncr opinion and aren necessarili employ
soc.religion.christian	mission aviat fellowship thi group and info appreci
soc.religion.christian	sda doctrin distinct articl mar atho rutger edu jodfish silver uc indiana edu joseph dale fisher write book provid sda entitl seventh dai adventist church believ that basic coverag idea that sda hold for info write onc actual titl and copyright date celia chan cmchan amber uc indiana edu introduc book add that not member sda anymor book call basic fundament belief close that number not copi home school tammi
soc.religion.christian	nation dai prayer immmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm join america prayer acknowledg depend god give for bless god guid leader and bring heal reconcili and ness nation and peopl hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm found father georg washington make earnest prayer that god pleas dispos justic love merci and demean ourselv chariti and humil and pacif temper mind characterist divin author bless religion and humbl imit exampl thing can never hope happi nation john adam felt that nation secur nation humbl acknowledg depend god and overrul provid abraham lincoln duti nation men depend overrul power god confess sin and transgress and recogn sublim truth announc holi scriptur and proven histori that nation bless god lord note you can join peopl your area observ nation dai prayer learn affili concert prayer group your area contact barri gar coordin box springdal arkansa voic fax
soc.religion.christian	christian atheism updat opinion matter hand advic heart not directli us friend found matter quit accid read mail quit mail reader busi trash mail improperli termin dai messag thought respons post alt atheism earlier that week read realiz that for messag dai apolog for read mail that not want snoop that will talk view didn mind friend chang mind chang mine that not point come come and that can prai for reason that click bash head christian tool for revolut not tool for maintain statu quo quit blunt reason reject god fact that african american femal christian religion us tool separ peopl true knowledg histori wealth contribut world societi kitchen heaven had forward slave dai thi mental second class statu exist todai reject aspect christian that estabish church hypocrici exist wall god hous begin imag white jesu that member prais god sundai rais hell begin mondai god will will find church home can feel comfort home don happen anytim sherlett
soc.religion.christian	sex educ moral question jen jenk microsoft ask creat child you aren good parent remind speech charact can rememb movi parenthood liber quotat mark tonight thi call speech charact express lousi father had and made interest point effect you licens drive car you licens dog you even licens fish kid mind that pass thi quot grossli distort you point mike matton
soc.religion.christian	natur god environment and pagan articl apr atho rutger edu heath athena uga edu terranc heath write fortun person theologi will not fall into line lot recogn god gender and posess qualiti gender masculin and feminin forc that not necessarili unorthodox christian call god father metaphor bibl place refer god mother god father mother liter sens god attribut father metaphor us for peopl time mislead two possibl michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	daili vers overcom will inherit thi and will god and will son revel
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog articl apr atho rutger edu kilroi gboro rowan edu nanci sweeti write dean velasco quot letter jame stowel presid moodi bibl institut affirm absolut scriptur not arrog moralist god truth reveal truth word and hold preciou strateg import absolut lot discuss hit exactli critic arrog aim lot stuff delet thi arrog christian aris peopl that person research can give absolut certainti doctrin christian implicitli claim that infal and that possibl mistak claim that you cannot made mistak and that your think led you flawless conclus pretti arrog agre darren add person observ arrog and problem not sens person certainti lack respect for come differ conclus thi not christian christian spectrum belief system christian not tend argu matter person faith aesthet not demonst object mean choos and reli import area person sovereignti bother suggest that matter faith specif belief not true absolut and bind follow thi that god give revel truth and come conclus intention choos wrong path thi arrog lack respect for honest conclus matter and god even person certainti leav room for belief univers matter person faith coupl proud notion that relationship god superior that lead arrog honest and nonunivers opinion darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu core found belief li belief that unfound ludwig wittgenstein comment critic ken alvin ucsu colorado edu reason for humil abil truth path area practic clarif you mean you reject idea specif belief not true absolut and bind true true for assum that belief god histori etc form that for not xxx true for peopl and not suggest past that god concern doctrin agreement peopl that doesn mean doubt that differ true and fals that benefit find true clh
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl stan mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write and for cultur practic festiv easter possibl histor associ pagan festiv todai christian intend honor kind pagan goddess celebr easter that argument compel not for ishtar egg and ishtar bunni mix pagan fertil symbol worship pagan goddess fertil biblic belief lost you drop word easter and replac such occur resurrect sundai you not show for servic call resurrect sundai servic easter servic
soc.religion.christian	can sin block prayer articl apr atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write thi vers make kind husband decid god will for famili consult wife god reveal will husband and wife degre mutual decis make even understand bibl lead belief authoritarian headship husband incorpor thi order function famili that god speak wife husband and husband wife jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org agre god make husband head hous sure can alon belov wife lord gave that hous god for beauti woman brought into life couldn lead wonder wife john emeri will prais you lord god heart emeri fluke will glorifi your name forev for great your love you deliv depth grave psalm
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu eggertj mose atc mit edu jim eggert write disagre your claim that jew not evangelist narrow sens word jewish proselyt widespread numer account jewish proselyt testament and roman and greek document dai jim feel free correct and give text can text vaug relat jewish evangel found sinc thi found cannot date make unuseful for understand second templ judaism randi
soc.religion.christian	accept jesu your heart stuff delet religion christian noth drug peopl us drug escap realiti christian inject jeezu and live that high your logic falti christian drug and onc die die you reluct embras thi drug that you aliv you enjoi question your motiv for post thi articl you wast your presiou few second thi earth post your opinon group that will gener reject you die never acept christ your savior hope you fantast life that you evver dream heaven you will christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian mhsu lonestar utsa edu melinda hsu write share thought thi topic arrog christian and forward respons encount christian find dismai belief that faith total truth belief come bibl and bibl word god and god truth truth thi stanc make difficult discuss faith and hesit christian truth faith aris will choic that choic part faith and part reason choic sort mystifi christian respond thi start parabl christian woman hire carpent build birdhous come begin talk religion you that you understand god ask repli build you birdhous don that melinda complain basi christian belief tendenc christian answer god gave thi simpli not case that bibl inerr human interpret bibl necessarili error human and imperfect rememb that make mistak faith and that human imperfect understand mind and will god claim peopl that exist bibl determin answer question claim that human can fulli understand god will thi hubri
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi write word question author mean you defi theist repli for peopl insist question author chri mussack thi anoth exampl bite raw edg humor that appreci understood messi hair glass wink smile big chin
soc.religion.christian	ancient book articl apr atho rutger edu whheydt pbhya pacbel wilson heydt write for date oldest extant text you feel civil war coupl thousand year extant text written adjust for larg illiter popul and copi manuscript hand consider feel punic war peloponnesian war spell option almost event classic histori close event you oldest extent manuscript case steve schaffner sschaff unixhub slac stanford edu opinion express mine and not slac stanford univers doe
soc.religion.christian	onlin bibl bibl studi embark bibl studi act onlin bibl softwar background author topic articl and author peopl testament realibl articl onlin bibl softwar specif for your conveni want darbi translat never heard thi young liter translat never heard realiabl hebrew greek lexicon author denomin etc articl topic modul realiabl treasuri scriptur knowleg never heard comment scofield and johnson wrote scofield refer bibl and peopl testament realiabl strong number will happi receiv repli you qualifi that that not receiv rubbish letter want make wilfr ling name wilfr ling siew wee nation univers pore internet eng nusunix nu electr engin bitnet eng nusvm bitnet
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi write unfaithfulli pixi you sincer that god exist you follow blindli word question author mean you defi theist repli don follow god blindli onc long ago question author such rabid point that found question author reject author unquestioningli question author time forev question fruitless eventu whether answer question whether author bibl thi case valid basic question author not necessarili mean reject author
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soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write two histor fact that import jesu didn rise dead equal impress order creat observ amount impact displai dead bodi jesu even jewish and roman author gain lot discredit christian michael covington internet mcovingt uga edu artifici intellig program phone univers georgia fax athen georgia amateur radio tmi and two simplest refut impact record impact come testament guarante that book accur and that record impact happen find interest that contemporari sourc record eclips earthquak templ curtain torn etc earliest written claim jesu resurrect paulin epistl written sooner year suppos event probabl that displai bodi jesu knew person that like explan that bodi stolen discipl graverobb don bother point guard appear gospel and exactli sort thing earli christian make order counter grave rob charg testament record that jew believ bodi had stolen guard not effect made thi claim scott
soc.religion.christian	etern hell hell articl apr atho rutger edu dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write insert delet unnecessari quot that thi notion that god take sort pleasur punish peopl purpos hell destroi devil and angel god not sort pleasur punish peopl will merci will merci and compass will compass enjoi punish peopl and send hell send jesu seek and save that lost luke earlier poster support etern hell theori fact that fallen angel not destroi rememb bibl teach that god reserv dai judgement judgement come suggest thi etern hell theori provid biblic evid can find for stai human theori and into account refer bibl you ask for peter talk ungodli punish matthew clear that not righteou god ey will hell for etern thessalonian state that troubl for discipl will punish everlast destruct and shut presenc lord thessalonian talk refus love truth condemn revel talk differ overcom and not not list vers will fieri lake burn sulfur revel indic that follow beast will torment burn sulfur and rest dai night for psalm wick return grave nation that forget god suffici prove point dariu joe fisher plai devil advoc not advoc posit concern that peopl understand that passag wai etern destruct that destruct rev term second death obviou understand that final extinct problem that speak etern punish and second death term that can understood concern not convinc you view peopl understand that wide varieti imag that understand tom albrecht comment primari point peopl etern fire detail make thing interest luke impli that damn don resurrect stai dead awar that understand thi passag liter peter talk angel and talk hold hell final judgement thi isn etern punish matthew talk send curs into etern fire prepar for devil and angel fact that fire etern doesn mean that peopl will last flame forev interest comment fire prepar for devil and angel rev and talk etern fire that beast and fals prophet will torment forev talk peopl thrown into refer second death thi sound extinct etern torment that fire effect supernatur entiti such devil and human thessalonian similarli everlast destruct thi not necessarili etern torment thi can understood that everlast us contrast kind destruct that can occur thi life final destruct that occur etern thessalonian talk destruct revel comment revel quot even doesn explicitli that peopl suffer forev that smoke and fire etern and that respit doesn that peopl torment forev psalm don that relev thi issu clh
soc.religion.christian	prophet warn york citi articl apr atho rutger edu evensont spot colorado edu evenson thoma randal write articl apr atho rutger edu reid uiuc edu jon reid write deon strydom fidonet org deon strydom write bring ask open question bibl close book scriptur for god told thi and jesu told that wouldn that impli that god pour revel that peopl will feel that and will not concept close canon cast shadow contemporari prophet hand open canon sometim back basic canon latin mean rule that rule open rule made broken issu measur rule word that spoken compar rule canon not ad canon revel topic current person revel revel for peopl for time not that scriptur you confus canon scriptur scriptur speak open god speak todai speak that close sens that canon unchang concept canon histor interest note that call propheci noth inspir translat scriptur call that propheci mislead wouldn that knowledg gift knowledg not excit talk shouldn call hors hors agre problem confus propheci meant encourag exhort correct overlap scriptur propheci meant bring word form man you live not your husband that knowledg exact word scriptur expect differ motiv and mean for deliveri read scriptur can power forc regard david david morgan univers technolog sydnei morgan soc ut edu box broadwai nsw broadwai sydnei fax paid good monei opinion you for free
soc.religion.christian	lose your temper not christian trait come long line hot temper peopl temper tale sign fruit that give christian net repli acrid angri and sarcast net villag laugh two profess born christian verbal attack peopl won christian and had origin join discuss spiritu hungri answer question sweet and sincer chrisitan net warrior flame queri you don enemi you greatest harm foolish foolish foolish
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog articl apr atho rutger edu kilroi gboro rowan edu nanci sweeti write loop contrer mon captitan not human reason not human experi and paraphras sartr absurd infinit refer point god revel that can absolut thing your logic come fruition relativ core found belief li belief that unfound ludwig wittgenstein clear ludwig descipl russel ludwig fame explain fact that spawn not two signific movement contemporari philosophi revolv tractatu logico philosphicu and philosoph investig witt comment and implicit conclus suggest wai explicit critiqu languag offer implicit suggest witt thought ordinari languag invalu resourc offer framework for conduct daili life formal featur remain content not and capabl transcend experi and understand deepen give clearer pictur and witt account dynam fluiditi languag for thi reason that critiqu languag move talk limit languag talk boundari boundari understood not wall threshold vonwright comment that witt sentenc content that li deep beneath surfac languag surfac witt talk insuper posit ordinari languag and necess bring ourselv accept question time face witt creativ languag and concern for bring tradit mode understand philosophi perspicaci speech seek effect thi uniti assum that function brilliant scientist unabl offer foundat for human speech long reject christian tractatu nigh perfect exhibit natur impass scientif ideal exhaust logic analysi realiti man perfect languag not exist for fallen man buis relat truth ordinari languag thi john gospel dear christian simpl convey reveal god full unli depth understand view christ concept man thinketh john look outward indic insid that conscious christ and word vehic truth truth scriptur plain expound that truth and that knowabl absolut and knowabl knowabl reveal individu and shouldn shy thi mystic christian paul rom men world not spirit and can not thing spirit spirit truth and spirit and capac truth not spirit that spirit can deep thing god and reveal spirit and deep thing god that absolut and true such thing true truth and real can experienc and verifi disagre nanci sweeti conclus fruition lead relativ lead dispair word answer and understand job rex suggest easi read epistimolog and not silent franci schaeffer
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appli command part moral law for command sabbath peopl thi approach that specif requir worship sabbath part ceremoni law gener oblig worship regularli part gener moral law christian free choos specif time worship peopl agre wrong can sabbath command ceremoni part law predat ceremoni law you not free choos your time worship even you you follow dai worship origin pagan sun worship you give dai god bless sanctifi and hallow exchang for church leader agre not biblic foundat sabbath admiss soc religion christian bibl studi radic approach gener connect john calvin and reform tradit that law longer bind grace and behavior guid sole love portion law guidanc not properli speak legal bind practic peopl thi posit not safe leav christian moral guidannc longer law sinner not safe for into situat principl guid good justif for that safe christian moral guidanc thing jesu teach paul advic etc not precis law serv function and larg content moral law previou analysi calvin deni that fix legal respons 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soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write disagre your claim that jew not evangelist narrow sens word jewish proselyt widespread numer account jewish proselyt testament and roman and greek document dai not jewish proselyt relat account recent dinner had jew month ago dinner instig aunt hostess had met visit wife galveston last octob dear aunt deceas proud jewish heritag not devout parent murder nazi concentr camp austria wwii jewish convers polit world affair and religion remark that good idea for visit niec return atlanta two dai return atlanta niec call invit for dinner husband not know expect stimul convers and fellowship unexpect thrust even discuss condemn reagan bush polici prohibit abort counsel feder fund famili plan clinic prohibit steril minor welfar and puerto rico ban fetal tissu research and mexico citi polici deni foreign aid program oversea that promot abort crux posit place blame for problem overpopul rampant domest crime african starvat unw mother etc christian fall adam thi not had come talk time bring subject judaism condemn jew for jesu and admonish convert judaism involv studi and effort and not even rais prospect convert truth christ jewish proselyt and last novemb tour tradit jewish synagogu and subject minut harangu jesu and christian gener realiz that two isol incid and that supervisor had work jewish experi modern jew not for proselyt boundari tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	hear sinner question god hear prayer sinner distinguish that never hear prayer sin make pointless prayer born centuri ago prayer impenit sinner lord want you thi for don expect chang life that matter even not ventur that god never grant such petit send sun and rain evil and good prai god that spirit respons rememb god real command jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	john paraphras end recent mon apr post alastair thomson offer paraphras john god love world that gave son die place that etern life die place bother sinc insert into vers doctrin not found origin suspect that poster intend affirm not substitut forens penal substitut maintain that scriptur speak aton teach doctrin substitut not forens substitut interest pursu matter invit send for essai genesi thi question lead essai can obtain send listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inr asu edu messag gen ruff jame kiefer theologian worth salt can put form commentari book genesi walter kaufman
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog repli post kilroi gboro rowan edu aka nanci sweetheart human brain infest sin and can trust limit circumst beg differ you properli form conscienc can trust virtual time not materialist human brain that mass tissu possess trustworthi your observ valid discuss mind anim human half anim and half spiritu moment stop speak and peopl start interpret possibl error appear mean that liter not not record that elabor word think tran con substati didn interpret thi passag brain and reason and draw conclus that brain not perfect think lead wrong thi that direct experi you hit purpos church necess infal interpret divin revel church christian noth bunch divis sect you infal thing you can extent that doctrin reli fallibl human think cannot thi argument certainti observ conclus not necessarili substanti experi remind theoret physicist that you can never measur sensor interfer field you measur experiment physicist will repli that measur can never made absolut certainti determin certainti measur can made and thi knowledg suffici render measur evid true condit field observ mind finit and suscept error compet arriv induct insight confid abil distinguish true not true even area not subject experiment method darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu substanti number talk religion misc reader read wittgenstein post disappear understood wittgenstein disappear michael siemon thi quot arrog don you boundari tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	wbt phone number wycliff translat articl apr geneva rutger edu mprc troi rochest edu price write concern recent post wbt sil thought pretti denounc wing organ involv ideolog manipul and cultur interfer includ vietnam and south america commiss mexican academia denounc covert polit and ideolog institut us govt instrument control regul penetr espionag and repress met peter kingston wbt year back struck exempleri and dedic christian main concern translat word god and welfar peopl group serv wbt literatur concern provid scriptur minor languag sort critic level organis such thi line ideolog manipul and cultur interfer christianis and educ thi wbt will stand alongsid earli christian missionari part africa group work nativ american coupl hundr year ago concern that thi group accept and even praiseworthi reader soc religion christian import that christian don immedi accept christian organ automat reproach you substanti attack legitim critic prioriti spread gospel underdevelop peopl barnei resson run and fro knowledg increas daniel
soc.religion.christian	agnost question articl apr geneva rutger edu jdt voodoo boe jim tomlinson jimt write good that power each complic that friend becom fundamentalist that issu firstli you exactli mean fundamentalist will for time assum that you mean that your friend believ that bibl god word mankind suspect that happen call born that recent answer question quit understand imo give advic your friend similar and thing can that basic problem that each you commun worldview talk thing obviou obviou not obviou you secondli persuas point view side fenc thi mean that turn fundamentalist you two agreeabl you thing side suddenli world realiti suddenli open discoveri contin planet you wonder and think you you realis that point view mean you eventhough end offend you worth that risk nevertheless respect you stand and listen you thi moment difficult excit feel urgent quiet not realis that put you bibl that question can convinc that thi subject left undiscuss can preserv area religi belief great friendship convinc that save won for advic explain thing side understand you feel wasn christian for good part life quit turn christian fundamentalist and enthusiast faith scare you truth religi belief person thing your agnostic person thing you sinc christian belief inevit odd christian religi will touchi matter friendship will side part make work thi matter you can your part tell nice that you not dig convinc you that you not your concern for don nonsens realiti and that real insult care not insult you stand give your friend advic admit that similarli friend christian wai thing differ difficult excit and blabber found good not crazi and didn care time thought you will crazi god real real you that mind and think can convinc you sinc god real doesn god can real you don help thi you thi quit challeng for you face person convict save call devil and host regard selbyn liew dept engin univers melbourn victoria australia email sliew mullian fax
soc.religion.christian	religi war don thi sort thing you gui discuss guess fall into area apologet thi question that pop and convers christian appear sort unqualifi statement you that religion caus war bother that cannot find satisfactori respons thi religion peac and love religi war person view that religion us excus instig war disguis nation ambit love hear thi subject advanc andrew fraser think term histori crusad northern ireland yugoslavia come immedi mind northern ireland yugoslavia name andrew jame fraser mail fraseraj dc gla es student univers glasgow standard disclaim begin suspect that natur condit human conflict perhap not whether religion philosophi involv war sinc whether stop clh
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath articl apr geneva rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write file thi weekend ran across lyric rock group that content two black sabbath master realiti thi for music and earli ask question signific jethro tull anoth ask and wrote thing that caus rex interest that you post lyric dai think lyric sinc whenev approach judgement pharisit evangel fundamentalist throw bibl long hair wear black leather jacket and listen black sabbath throw back chin drop and come speechless not satan lyric show that import evil world battl rock lyric steven salari lot danger live crew salari carc wustl edu and stupid us foul languag idea philosophi geoff tate queensrych
soc.religion.christian	phone number wycliff translat apr geneva rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu mail server write mark concern recent post wbt sil thought pretti denounc wing organ involv ideolog manipul and cultur interfer good heaven you mean good friend we collin wife and two small children into jungl guatemala despit danger primit condit and arm guerilla that indigen peopl group bibl nativ languag young man led bibl studi church daili demonstr and declar deep abid faith lord love you mean sneaki imperialist spy you find charg amus mark understand your frustrat can kind scari find your assumpt challeng specif cultur interfer refer includ linguist manipul for instanc tzotzil spanish dictionari remov spanish and tzotzil word for concept threaten rule ideolog class conquer exploit repress revolut and describ word can express ideolog concept exampl boss boss good treat and pai good wage student not your tone impli that you you you interest research and you sound you refer for you stoll david fisher men founder empir wycliff bibl translat latin america secta religiosidad america latina lo angel time dec latin america press washington time june happi hunt
soc.religion.christian	lose your temper not christian trait hoorai suspect that human desir christ that christian critic and christian suppos grow matur endeavour christ perfect build bodi christ don tear and that includ jesu love todai tomorrow and god sheila patterson
soc.religion.christian	god shape hole accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu johnsd rpi edu dan johnson write empti spot god shape hole heart eas pain heard thi claim quit time god shape hole busi thi vers us back thi idea set etern heart men ecclesiast sharon belvil
soc.religion.christian	daili vers for will father heaven brother and sister and mother matthew
soc.religion.christian	accept jesu your heart whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel write religion christian noth drug peopl us drug escap realiti christian inject jeezu and live that high your logic falti christian drug and onc die die you reluct embras thi drug that you aliv you enjoi pardon harsh that follow onc told cradl christian not advantag jesu for sake your selfish realiz search for true faith religion belong fear hell vaniti etc serv serv you comprehend thi truth you thing for your egoism not us jesu religion bibl mean escap get ecstat high god children and true and authent relationship father obedi faith hope and love and work last import bewar materialist worldli and selfish motiv atheist thi ground and call christian marida spread god word action mother teresa
soc.religion.christian	moodi monthli and moodi moodi monthli and moodi magazin name chang recent year not post address moodi monthli avid david sjoen sheep hear voic and and gulaksveien follow and give life etern and stavang never perish and seiz norwai hand john mail david hsr rogaland univers centr norwai
soc.religion.christian	abri experi curiou net land spent time abri hous world and experi affect you etc interest experi origin abri switzerland and person interact franci and edith schaeffer tom milligan
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write articl apr atho rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write virgilio dean velasco write carol alvin write truth absolut scriptur truth and absolut answer question absolut that constant across time cultur situat etc true instanc you agre thi definit agre your definit exampl women cover head and not speak hold that scriptur true discern exactli jesu paul and compani not easi don that paul that women behav that that circumst time women speak avoid volubl and cover head thi maintain proper wit rememb that number relativist statement can deriv absolut for instanc absolut for christian strive for peac thi not rule maintain world peac resort violenc occas opinion agre that truth scriptur principl learn claim that that truth absolut impli liter read bibl absolut truth constant across time cultur etc interpret that lesson glean passag person person that doesn mean that person and wrong that god transcend simpl mind and that scriptur craft exactli thi intent god and that claim that scriptur absolut person disput interpret wrong don that god that rigid evangel not take thi part scriptur absolut truth and plenti exampl can you reconcil thi bibl preach absolut truth exactli truth sometim matter confus bibl preach absolut truth sometim fundament principl crystal clear evangel thi arrog come plai sinc principl crystal clear evangel rest word for isn crystal clear that fundament principl fundament principl establish that figur biblic truth matter human interpret and error prone you can claim that crystal clear segment christian difficult you can claim base your interpret absolut god reveal truth world word utterli unavoid that peopl whill come altern interpret practic can misinterpret come matter and wrong care deni that not support posit effect that your posit bibl absolut truth prone error interpret cannot reliabl determin figur that truth that point spend thi time claim and defend absolut truth can never truth and can never shouldn act practic differ can thi make carol alvin caralv auto trol
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart articl apr geneva rutger edu jason atlastel jason smith write articl apr atho rutger edu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko write thi not true scienc collect model tell not happen cannot good reason question bound natur thing assum that supernatur domain exist supernatur be exist exist beg disagre assert that scienc collect model scientif model game plai and good assumpt and measur that into exampl rememb nuclear winter big hype atmospher scienc wasn long sagan admonit that boi ad anoth level realiti into model nuclear winter scenario erl boulder decid assum that atmospher two dimension thing dimension thing assum that rain and that wind blow real atmospher return georgia tech show transpar atmospher cool rate year gener model unmistak correl ag mean simplic assumpt remot realiti each model and degre cool sagan model show approxim degre cool episod model sophist show half that and boi model show degre drop war happen winter and degre drop happen summer predict that includ presenc ocean chemistri biospher and indic realiti model even cool nuclear winter reduc even nuclear autumn nuclear fizzl quot yoder postul model becom accept realiti lattic assumpt authoritarian domin field and critic analysi each argument encourag skeptic model approach earth problem warrant kei paramet not includ thi statement sure appli equal cosmogoni convinc observ evid substanti model result suggest that model describ realiti thought clear that thing hand boundari tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	revel babylon bibl studi colleg revel pretti good get sort reason interpret chapter and talk woman beast and fall babylon beast antichrist differ obviou and woman repres babylon stand for rome roman cathol church view thi interpret fall babylon chapter babylon chapter cathol church hate step toe jimmi buddenberg internet jbuddenberg vax cn muskingum edu muskingum colleg read thi imageri roman cathol church common earlier protest writer lot find that frankli embarass reader will advoc such posit problem that descript make lot polit entiti associ king control world commerc seat mountain recal that rome tradition regard built hill church not current roman cathol church church that anti christ and merg state turn into such scenario true cathol persecut impress that satan pretend angel light and true church persecut remnant consist plai imag that anti christ presid church that claim heir protest and cathol tradit that true spiritu descend peter and reform equal persecut clh
soc.religion.christian	work god local religion christian bb group moribund post sundai easter church sermon base stori book joshua joshua send spi land plan rememb heard part cbc radio documentari bosnia that rahab woman shelter spi that peopl melt fear heard that cbc radio documentari and know that muslim bosnia lose war felt uncomfort serb drive christian hand minist that bibl oppos valu held secular societi member that church involv countri missionari work pastor talk spiritu warfar and bring christ nonreligi peopl area sundai sermon joshua israelit jericho and proce massacr for rahab had shelter spi report bosnia mind felt uncomfort minist that massacr joshua bother that take christian shouldn troubl report ethnic cleans bosnia sympathi shouldn moslim that bosnian muslim descend christian turkish rule convert islam serb god work exampl god peopl set bloodi war conquest troubl discuss person question whether even time that war justifi specif command god don serb behav group that led god thi matter clh
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi write unfaithfulli pixi you sincer that god exist you follow blindli word question author mean you defi theist repli dear defiant unfaith pixi will challeng repli theist foundat for faith god reason exist god not proven that exist can proven reason indisput short treatis tradit proof for exist god and summa theologica that god exist and that exist can proven reason assert that command blindli fallen condit measur doubt faith god thing mover matter independ thing that requir noth for exist measur that perfect and essenti order univers logo assert that god good thi that contrari will god evil absenc good and sinc god can never contradict promis savior earli protoevangelium genesi god instruct that human adam respons for man alien sourc good man requir act restor friendship god incarn person messiah thi messiah claim that truth john thi claim true bound reason follow truth incarn you problem author you unit state marin corp can you hand that excel instructor author you not had privileg will repli that author truth incarn never question and blindli not deni truth for exampl proverbi appl fell isaac newton head deni that happen not law physic obei whether human like not true author truth not deni qed boundari tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri jek nih gov write essenti ingredi marriag mutual commit two person consid marri and bound mutual promis live togeth husband and wife forsak till death part that impli that peopl marriag vow aren sincer not marri jeff johnson jcj tellab
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko wrote jason smith jason atlastel wrote anoth answer that god sourc exist thi sound tempt god exist god sourc exist can mean that term human time exist thi not sourc exist thi argument sound god not exist meta exist and meta exist perspect creat exist thi nonsolut mere twist word exist and sourc exist be not problemat you put sourc exist includ mean that god noth concept alien christian and theism understand classic concept and conting exist god exist necessarili god creat conting be thi coher solut exist long concept god coher answer heard that human reason incap understand such question atheist not accept such answer sinc not method not good answer reason cannot mean understand like that null concept not realiti ted kalivoda
soc.religion.christian	cell church discuss group begin mail discuss group cell church you follow jesu christ and cell church church that transit cell church interest learn cell church send mail reserv remov group not demonstr spirit humil and christlik jon reid fool cannot reid uiuc edu gain cannot lose jim elliot
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell mark schnitziu write liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such thi found confus your nerv end die your physic bodi flame hurt you can wail and gnash teeth lung and teeth can feel physic pain bodi you doctrin resurrect bodi peopl will great judgement for resurrect dead and life world come nicen constantinopolitan creed you will bodi and soul hell eventu andi byler
soc.religion.christian	prayer and advic request famili problem brother alien parent and sinc shortli marriag domin and insecur woman twelv year ago thing painfulli polit christma card sort level for thi time attempt each end disastr wife throw scream fit and storm imagin slight inattent insensit mean thi happen end singl restaur meal live state quiver anxieti hope futil storm break sacrif not meaning contact friend and interest thi choic and accept even deplor hard time time want drop pretens that relationship cut contact real pain relationship talk honestli thought dramat and you evas and find excus phone leav door open case decid come back unsatisfi choic superfici trap relationship thi weekend mother final decid that wasn pretend and cut relat thi outcom phone convers sister law scream and rave mother blame for wrong live and brother evad tempor claim situat control and expect mother make allow and concess mom not that not quietli abus and that term relationship didn want talk and hung never mother lose temper and that thi time hung mom feel divorc brother and that relief wai break open and mix feel proud mom for stick for angri brother and sister law for hurt for jerk for persist such wretch life hurt and warp children angri sister law for hate and angri brother for coward and respect for that will throw and us energi appeas unappeas emotion disturb woman pain for children mess scare for futur sinc thi mark time thing will chang and improv break will becom irrevoc nastili righteou thi bit proof that can treat each thi and disgust for even begin gloat miseri and final sad sad sad parent hurt and brother and sister law trap horribl destruct situat that can can bear path and frustrat don and noth drive wall prai feel rage impot and vindict and situat not free desir concret desir defin problem and fix beset vice terribl time quiet intern mental chatter listen for god you thought and kind peopl net advic for thi time reach brother thing can conquer rage for big question evad thi long long post christian and propon faith hope and chariti accept destruct relationship give brother accept that powerless and can wait and happen answer mail post you juli jjmarvin pucc princeton edu
soc.religion.christian	christian for christian articl apr atho rutger edu lmh juliet caltech edu henl lawrenc write articl apr geneva rutger edu mussack austin ibm write for exampl univers exist whether not find thi pascal wager and spend live search wast live meaningless and find thi view christian quit dishearten and sad idea that life mean import creator not basi for belief forgiv inclus suppos neccessari follow argument point that life mean import find that mean import almost tautolog hope not patron term for that mean creator that not obviou argument and logic appal god exist want god heard thi line reason and preval modern societi peopl convinc life hopeless pollster and newscast state don thi good reason becom religi you want mean not join cult such waco leader will give you secur blanket you desir term religi ambigu thi context that search for mean life definit religi cult follow definit search you want mean not search for truth understand christian congruent understand truth come conclus that word wai that make sens mean that impli that understand chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu ata hfsi hfsi john ata write you vastli oversimplifi thing that earli christian suffer totur wit christ for exampl act appear that jewish ruler that time had avers even hear jesu name final apostl death jame zebede not rome hand martyr stephen problem that believ resurrect jesu son god and stood for and preach ministri earth that extrem difficult for peopl that had plot kill basic problem your argument your total and complet relianc biblic text luke account highli suspect refer you hermeneia commentari act luke account written year fact meantim mention di and attempt find actual written sourc text come section portion act firmli establish paul account event act record galatian fail establish act account reliabl text critic appreci document death christian for belief resurrect suggest you greek and roman historian you will disapoint randi
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect articl apr geneva rutger edu jcj tellab jcj write articl apr geneva rutger edu smayo world std scott mayo write christian flame resurrect disprov didn paul write that resurrect not true biggest fool whether you christ not teach love your brotherman even secular level great deal allevi problem todai world even rabid atheist couldn deni that jeff johnson jcj tellab cannot fail note intens suffer devast wreck world christian christ captialist pollut envior strict obedi gensi command subdu earth nazi justli punish jew for kill christ progrom innoc women burn aliv accord you not witch live moslem kill crusad god fear men destroi inquist religi war spain franc england etc christian undoubtedli caus suffer and needless loss life individu certain that instruct unquestion griev randi
soc.religion.christian	question jesu alon on dear fellow netter time time term on pentecost similar occur post thi group that movement call jesu alon triniti and plan chang that reentli made awar that person church hold view that triniti futur will discuss thi item and feel that you friend thi group for background inform can basic reason for hold belief that jesu and vice versa foundat for triniti quot bibl and histor develop you bjorn mail mail bjorn larsen bjorn larsen delab sintef sintef delab trondheim tel norwai fax
soc.religion.christian	sex educ articl apr atho rutger edu jkellett netcom joe kellett write question for discuss textbook don teach safe drug us kid drug abstin and come don pass bullet proof vest school promot safe gun usag chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu gene gross lambada oit unc edu gene gross write knew don forget that jesu jew and roman troublemak pilat fool and didn addit headach fishermen steal jesu bodi make had arisen sinc jesu buri grave man sanhedrin that didn buri beg question problem individu post you biblic account sort histor recount modern sens refer you john domin crossan book cross that spoke pub harper and row earliest text make refer empti tomb empti tomb for claim resurrect modern evangel fundamentalist complet miss point resurrect work georg nickelsburg work resurrect immort and etern life intertestament judaism publ cambridg havard univ press help rom paul empti tomb addition cor mention empti tomb rais note passiv appear ascens resurrect accomplish disturb bone grave idea empti tomb isn broach text fall jerusalem that time idea come bodi ludicri mack argu convicingli that empti tomb stori appear mark text thi mention tomb you that you that discipl stole bodi thi moment you die maintain you knew deliber lie not you discipl not talk dy for you firmli truth unbeknown you lie thi talk dy behead stone crucifixion etc for you lie you posit regard discipl steal bodi lightweight for graverobb risk sever penalti for grave rob bodi jesu wasn buri great rich thi argument that can discount that leav you back squar happen bodi comment that plausibl christian scenario and typic suggest sceptic knowledg that resurrect subject event and empti tomb stori result account grow tell clh you quit even idea subject mystic event foundat resurrect narr unten mack myth innoc randi
soc.religion.christian	latest branch davidian articl apr geneva rutger edu conditt tsd arlut utexa edu paul conditt wrote sad that peopl put faith mere man even claim son god and prophet christ return will desert will wilder not for lightn flash east west come son man paraphras vers john jon sig file broken
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write religion christian noth drug truth thi statement us word medicin drug regard condit human soul christian and foremost heal medicin strengthen and enabl heal take hold grow strength and health live and and that for god creat peopl us drug escap realiti christ medicin rightli allow work bring nearer realiti and offer clariti understand and strength spirit meet healthi human christian inject jesu and live that high small spell correct ad gerri palo compuserv
soc.religion.christian	assur hell articl apr geneva rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write dream that great judgment morn had dawn and trumpet had blown dream that sinner had gather for judgment white throne weep and wail lost told fate cri for rock and mountain prai prayer late soul that had put salvat not tonight save and time religion ala had found time die and great white throne believ god bibl fear make thi statement doesn judg will judg measur protest that fear hell not good for motiv jesu thought paul thought paul know terror lord persuad men god motiv fear not god worthi worship god jesu spoke exist not hell convinc peopl worship todai evangel noth soft soap and noth evangel salesmanship don peopl anymor that such thing sin that such place hell myth hell that made final realiz that thing untru hadn for hell believ todai myth hell made realiz that god that not know and good god claim such word even evid for exist join pythagorean reform church repent your evil irrat number and bean eat wai accept into your heart call pythagorean reform church bb
soc.religion.christian	rise anoth issu import crucif will god tragic mistak tragic mistak god will can never accomplish disbelief man jesu thi world build kingdom heaven earth desper want jewish peopl accept messiah crucif will god jesu prai that thi cup pass thi weak never men and women live for countri nobl jesu not knew crucif not will god god will that jewish peopl accept jesu messiah and that kingdom heaven establish earth jesu head jewish peopl expect thi had happen year ago can you imagin kind world live todai world and that eactli god want men and women that ag save live messiah earth jesu establish sinless lineag that continu reign ascens spiritu world live god kingdom heaven earth will wait for christ return return will recogn and will find faith thi earth isn time for return almost year mike articl atho rutger edu oser fermi wustl edu scott oser write articl apr atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write two histor fact that import jesu didn rise dead equal impress order creat observ amount impact displai dead bodi jesu even jewish and roman author gain lot discredit christian and two simplest refut impact record impact come testament guarante that book accur and that record impact happen find interest that contemporari sourc record eclips earthquak templ curtain torn etc earliest written claim jesu resurrect paulin epistl written sooner year suppos event probabl that displai bodi jesu knew person that like explan that bodi stolen discipl graverobb don bother point guard appear gospel and exactli sort thing earli christian make order counter grave rob charg testament record that jew believ bodi had stolen guard not effect made thi claim scott
soc.religion.christian	etymolog easter for src languag feast resurrect lord pasch pasqu variat thereof word come hebrew pesach mean passov english german and relat languag easter variat thereof and question ask origin thi term explan that vener bede ration temporum deriv word name anglo saxon goddess spring call eastr bede great scholar and natur word for live and augustin began preach kent us word easter describ feast establish birth bede and birth discuss subject like that deriv guess base awar that had anglo saxon goddess spring bear that name and resembl word resembl sure not surpris that personif spring name similar word for dawn not istelf convinc testimoni conjectur bede not make assum that bede that not justifi that christian celebr had for centuri name easter appli pagan root simpli mean that anglo saxon christian and begin celebr resurrect festiv spring call name that meant simpli spring festiv bede not theori that propos knoblech die sprach zeitschrift fuer sprachwissenschaft vienna offer deriv latin speak christian week begin feast resurrect hebdomada alba white week sinc newli baptiz christian accustom wear white baptism robe that week sometim week refer simpli alba translat render thi into german mistook for plural alba mean dawn accordingli render eostarum high german for dawn thi gave rise form easter english jame kiefer not interest restart discuss proprieti celebr easter thi contain interest inform that peopl clh
soc.religion.christian	commit christian that battl problem that roman talk save faith not deed hebrew and jame that faith deed useless you fool you that believ fulli believ life total lead and not god roman that person save faith bit that god prefer cold doesn condemn lukewarm christian and believ god doesn make attempt live bibl opinion that you save faith alon not you taught roman can squar mind teach jame conjunct lukewarm christian spat can thi bother christ will dalla cowboi world champion
soc.religion.christian	interfaith wed bill burn for descript differnc cathol and lutheran church recommend prof william whalen book separ brethren overview common denomin intend for cathol audienc richard aquina chonak norri mit edu seek job chang sy mgr vax si cobol programm unix
soc.religion.christian	paul weekli collect mark gregori foster write corinthian idea introduc onc that reason paul want corinthian lai monei for collect dai week that thi receiv weekli wage ancient roman not observ dai week man work for jewish employ paid dai dai week jewish employ wage week end lev jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	eliz prophet rob butera ask book call lost year jesu elizabeth clare prophet not book miss prophet leader group church univers and triumphant deriv group found ballard began mission write thi memori and not detail straight for account check your librari for bnook marcu bach eighteenth centuri frenchman appear tap shoulder and offer cup cosmic essenc major tenet movement that monasteri mountain tibet monk descend lower altitud centuri preach and that major religion found monk thi monasteri typic ballard famili and successor prophet famili relat marriag rememb aright base almost teach messag allegedli receiv telepathi tibet surpris book you mention scholarli basi jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	chant passion mike rolf write you latin beauti hear passion chant deacon narrat chant middl bariton rang jesu chant bass and directli quot handl high tenor thi english music tradit latin anglican parish expect that rcc parish likewis matthew passion and john passion bach direct offshoot thi tradit jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	muslim tith sexism genesi mdb uki edu muslim tith incom perhap offshoot islam that impos thi follow standard tith net worth onc year writer object bibl for teach that woman creat man helper etc thi refer genesi suppos that that chapter had written sex revers god creat woman and not good that woman alon will make meet for feminist outrag clear implic that god had start bottom and work make plant fish and bird beast woman and final masterpiec male chauvinist pig statement that woman not capabl function that man open door for gratuit insult fact that creation woman dust ground briefli and gener creation man six time number word cite evid author estim rel import sex verdict unequivoc respect woman can accept thi book moral guid sexist trash suggest that mose fear thi reaction alter origin draft and describ creation adam and ev appeas miriam and radic feminist dai for reason not work jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect articl apr geneva rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write cannot fail note intens suffer devast wreck world christian christ captialist strict obedi gensi innoc women burn aliv accord you not witch live moslem kill crusad god fear men destroi inquist religi war spain franc england etc christian undoubtedli caus suffer and needless loss life individu certain that instruct unquestion griev agre gospel jesu advoc action you mention couldn find witch sorceress concord epistl witch work gospel refer witch sorceress rsv clh
soc.religion.christian	jon ogden jono mac rtsg mot wrote dead and useless faith action action prove faith and show genuin good exampl thi abraham refer jame passag hebrew that abraham justifi faith faith demonstr work obei god told read abraham biographi genesi instruct man beset lack faith lot time ly sarah wife occas fulfil god promis god behalf copul hagar that god didn evalu basi individu incid abraham list hero faith hebrew crunch god declar abraham man faith believ god promis thi confid real faith demonstr work god not judg success failur perform work not work righteous merci save wash regener and renew holi spirit titu amaz grace hallelujah michael davi mcd brunel
soc.religion.christian	iter bibl not religi gui dont thi kinda flame advanc want version bibl thi version bibl read and front page contain inaccur data and inconsist advanc shaz not quit you mean version primari distinct version you todai style translat pretti unusu signific differ mean differ underli text that print manuscript copi hand slight differ result manuscript that scholar can pretti good job recreat origin uncertainti fortun gener level minor differ word place sentenc involv recent discoveri older manuscript don uncertainli case christian that process copi manuscript process translat free error don uncertainti establish text translat that practic effect whether bibl contain inaccur data and inconsist hot topic debat christian deni accept that inaccuraci involv detail that don affect faith thi noth multipl version suppos inconsist can found version surpris find refer thi titl page version you talk refer major scholarli translat referenc post and edit that kind wide accept thi includ reconstruct that combin parallel account into singl narrat edit that omit materi that editor object for reason copyright bibl long sinc expir noth stop peopl make edit that wierd thing want edit that wide us carefulli prepar group scholar varieti background lot crosscheck imagin lesser edit claim fix inaccur data and inconsist not edit that wide us wide us leav text weeeeelllllll almost alleg that translat fudg word two and minim inconsist translat not exact scienc differ opinion word afraid clh
soc.religion.christian	articl apr geneva rutger edu lmvec westminst william hargreav write commit christian that battl problem that roman talk save faith not deed hebrew and jame that faith deed useless you fool you that believ don conflict understand passag faith you studi mean greek and hebrew word translat you will come conclus that word mean lot mere belief faith mean trust and action you not put your belief into action simpli cannot qualifi faith thi jame mean that faith work dead and will show you faith work rememb jame write twelv tribe scatter abroad thi mean write hear gospel and wouldn understand mean origin greek suspect jame write todai intend reach paul hand wrote peopl roman empir gener understood mean greek anoth kei conflict paul statement context you will find that paul contrast faith and work context compar gospel law mean law mose thi great burden paul life apostl gentil convert bunch peopl judiz come and convinc that had obei law mose act chapter thi context paul condemn idea save work law that save blood jesu and faith that translat for todai that save faith faith todai mean closer origin writer intend fulli believ life total lead and not god roman that person save faith you misunderstand roman paul that god prefer faith gentil not kosher kosher jew fail stai faith import matter lord and chariti fellow bit that god prefer cold doesn condemn lukewarm christian and believ god doesn make attempt live bibl sens faith describ you cannot real faith and lukewarm you god lukewarm unfaith you wors person never heard rememb jesu parabl pearl great price mat and treasur hidden field mat that price kingdom god agre you gener includ fact that pisti forc faith you that you can end that paul not intend faith mean god thing that save faith close that save commit sin assum that not you meant almost find specif verbal formula that complet captur thi paul describ call basic orient includ aspect such trust and commit jesu speak rebirth impli basic chang thing that sin and fail show life christ situat christian had basic chang orient that jesu call born clh
soc.religion.christian	assur hell articl apr geneva rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write you haven accept jesu your savior you take aw chanc jehovah wit longer frequent door you and wrong will live good life and will die and ceas exist and you wrong you will die and suffer etern damnat don mean make fun thi point dirti harri you feel lucki you man limit don whosoev wont thi ridicul argument for christian you switch christian anoth religion you offer even frighten descript anoth hell christian view strictli insur polici not messag love and compass for faith base fear hell sound dysfunct relationship god child cring fear parent physic violenc religion concret view heaven and hell threat and persuas will competit can envison worst hell can nurtur idea love your neighbor rex comment critic ken alvin ucsu colorado edu
soc.religion.christian	question jesu alon on jesu believ moder write misunderstand term agre quit like jesu origin context baptism folk that baptism formula mention jesu father son and holi spirit thi doctrin implic not mean that folk deni exist divin father not describ thi theologi and fact includ classic call monophysit arian two view belief that consist trinitarian standard won us trinitarian languag misunderstand simpli not biblic clh not biblic can make end matthew and jesu and author heaven and earth and make discipl nation baptiz name father and son and holi spirit and teach obei that command you and rememb you end ag ancient author add amen nrsv note give sens that thi emend text contradict thi baptism misunderstand triniti like explan simpli misunderstand view forc read thi group good bibl and unabridg dictionari christian educ david tucker drt athena mit edu arrgggghhhh talk peopl reject trinitarian languag unbibl speak trinitarian theologi thing essens and person fold baptism formula biblic you point us term fold refer mat consist belief triniti triniti doctrin full formul occur and cent that mat had mind fulli develop trinitarian doctrin fold baptism formula us group that not triniti disagr baptism formula occur passag such act command baptism name jesu coupl passag act thi leav sort problem command mat baptiz name father son and holi spirit and act baptiz name jesu jesu group baptiz name jesu thi consist mat that jesu name father son and holi spirit not explain thi mean will simpli that not normal trinitarian theologi odd deal idiomat phrase name us fold formula don standard answer passag talk baptiz name jesu suspect that common explan that name not verbal formula that you baptiz name jesu simpli mean that you baptism jesu author cent context contrast christian baptism baptism john jewish baptism parallel passag that suggest that that mat doesn requir specif fold formula us baptism simpli character baptism follow father son and holi spirit suspect that earli church baptism formula us long jesu father son and holi spirit great damag such differ thi not mean that back formula baptism thing that almost christian group recogn mutual not upset that interest gospel thi reinforc fact that group that us name jesu mind differ doctrin not explain doctrin clh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers and lord servant not quarrel kind teach not resent oppos gentli instruct hope that god will grant repent lead knowledg truth and that will come sens and escap trap devil captiv will iitimothi
soc.religion.christian	question that bee bother articl apr atho rutger edu wquinnan sdcc ucsd edu malcusco write articl apr atho rutger edu atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write problem scienc that assum for ourselv god endow abil produc life sexual relat you assum thi you design creator and you observ abil procreat for exampl not make that avail that mean that scienc can ride god decis alter that god will for power decid and not children you observ abil modifi fertil intellig experi and draw similar conclus god design for scientif inquiri us technolog that produc that abil god and not cannot draw solid line approv scientif studi and not will thi experi univers find secret want thi knowledg want truth and hold truth basic ethic valu correct moral judgement reli know truth not vice versa moral that assert that assent belief moral choic and not compel evid inevit cut limb sit falsif evid consciou and unconsci follow corrupt intellect and heart will that each person prai for guidanc unravel mysteri univers and ceas unravel reason search displeas god malcusco god noth fear truth imaginari god and follow afraid afraid max
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey wait for speak will bibl hand can give exact chapter vers time jesu told peter that rock you hold true earth held true heaven and you don hold true won true heaven respect marriag ceremoni priest big parti requir priest coupl and wit divorc not allow anul grant approv bishop pope not pope deleg thi function mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr geneva rutger edu rj cwru edu richard szanto write previou articl randerso acad sah uth tmc edu robert anderson your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey that two public announc plan marri made vow god and unswervingli commit anoth realiz thi subject qualifi marri join god sight discuss thi girlfriend marri legal not peopl sexual each not sexual relat decid marri eventu for financi and distanc reason will not legal marri for anoth year and half marri for life god ey faith that strong relationship and had for year and will full joi marri church find church will live area marri and will find church commun feel that two peopl commit marriag god marri and bound that commit rick szanto rick nail problem pretti can find scriptur miss that detail you marri make assumpt base principl scriptur that take parti make marriag husband wife and god you promis each and god that you will conven togeth marri you imo ceremoni part that for connected bodi christ brother and sister involv that can account part that part concept hebrew not forsak assembl togeth custom each lone ranger christian and lone ranger marriag smack suffici that don paul simon rock island model anywher christian song lyric show your ag sinc marriag legal matter institut usa and place and such law not specif crosswis clear teach scriptur obei avoid even appear evil thess thi impli civil ceremoni marriag mind thi for conscienc back begin you marri you and your intend promis each and god conven imo bobbi akgua rjb state kind commit describ richard szanto post can creat common law marriag post long establish that marriag exist issu end court want consult lawyer familiar common law marriag state clh
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soc.religion.christian	messiah articl geneva rutger edu desire bradlei mindlink desire bradlei write miss post waco david koresh and second come second come real thing person claim insan rule thumb that person make claim wrong read john thi morn that chapter close and don bibl work check and jesu talk discipl impend death and that will and will line will you and you will cannot provid exact quot citat understand thi that second come will not outward event inward event christ will come live heart and will live you for person you will deceiv that jew had for messiah that polit militari leader and didn recogn jesu jesu show that kingdom not thi earth lot written second come base expect christ come back and final take world and run sound lot jew for come wasn that and reason for second come that and don expect happen onc second come lot time christ come into someon heart christ come peac will william taber will taber opinion express data gener corp will futon webo mine alon and westboro mass chang notic your dream laid rest you can second hard david wilcox
soc.religion.christian	jesu black peopl post thi newsgroup cowardli arrog apathet discuss thi issu sinc discuss grace comput screen hold interest african american commun gain discuss knowledg person christian us thi countri tighten spiritu emot mental hold slaveri mind soul heart african american thi effect displai white icon jesu slave church encourag godli superior slaveown wasn that slaveown your provid your god look uncondit love loyalti and worship great pride cultur biblic accur icon pictur statu black jesu found european countri that black madonna biblic physic descript jesu hair compar that wool feet that brass and area world biblic action place intellig commentari thi import topic flamer not repli sherlett expect thi type respons doesn matter color skin action for mankind count thi true not question thi walk earth for decad human thi part exist intrigu and for that doesn matter member physic emancip peopl struggl for mental emancip matter gener attack member thi group unjustifi discuss thi issu past can discuss onc fact that specif thing hasn discuss recent shouldn sign gener cowardic arrog apathi past discuss outrag suggest that jesu black and suggest scholar concensu that like semit you tradit that portray jesu art show peopl you wouldn surpris find african art show black and orient art show orient good reason relat christian devot such good and that imag challeng and jesu member xxx xxx group you respect clh
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart dan johnson ask for evid that effect abus recoveri program involv meet peopl spiritu respond step program alcohol anonym step involv acknowled higher power and step abus recoveri program acknowledg effect dan johnson clarifi ask thi show that effect substanc absur recoveri program involv meetinsg peopl spiritu attempt fill peopl spiritu perciev peopl regular snoopi you ask provid object proof for exist god never claim thi fact not that exist god premis assumpt that underli philosophi life come matter faith weren christian agnost suffici subject evid justifi and sustain relationship god thi matter premis and assumpt assum that life univers and materi that spiritu exist thi assumpt answer question appar spiritu find thi assumpt consist subsequ observat ion find that god fill spiritu cannot object prove differ appar fill imagin spiritu and real fill real spiritu can prove anoth person that spiritu seanna watson bell northern research prai that end live seanna bnr ottawa ontario canada philosophi and creed god will find peopl busi opinion opinion opinion plant tree and sow seed not bnr mine knew left fred kaan
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath articl apr geneva rutger edu jprzybyl skidmor edu jennif przybylinski write wrong wasn jeff fenholt part black sabbath plai jesu jesu christ superstar christian plai black sabbath save left link hudson
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soc.religion.christian	rise articl geneva rutger edu parkin eng sun michael parkin write anoth issu import crucif will god tragic mistak tragic mistak god will can never accomplish disbelief man finish read good book will god weatherhead thi help appli thought subject will god weatherhead broke will god into distinct part intent will circumstanci will and ultim will weatherhead refut last statement michael parkin quit nice summar despit failur humankind god ultim will never defeat god intent interf even temporarili defeat will humankind brought circumst ultim will reconcil humankind will never stop time time weatherhead us cross descript thi process work point paraphras god intent will for jesu christ live full life and perform work live god failur sin and devious humankind frustrat god intent for son despit circumst god ultim will reveal cross jesu willingli not will lord di for redempt humankind cross utterli triumphant overcom even cruel circumst thi world build kingdom heaven earth desper want jewish peopl accept messiah crucif will god jesu prai that thi cup pass thi weak never men and women live for countri nobl jesu not knew crucif not will god not intent will god circumstanci will enabl victori ultim will god will that jewish peopl accept jesu messiah and that kingdom heaven establish earth jesu head intent will jewish peopl expect thi had happen year ago can you imagin kind world live todai world and that eactli god want men and women that ag save live messiah earth jesu establish sinless lineag that continu reign ascens spiritu world live god kingdom heaven earth will wait for christ return return will recogn and will find faith thi earth isn time for return almost year time place will return thief night peac rob legal mumbo jumbo follow thi mail post reflect opinion poster author and manner reflect corpor polici statement opinion express network system corpor
soc.religion.christian	articl apr geneva rutger edu lmvec westminst william hargreav write commit christian that battl problem that roman talk save faith not deed hebrew and jame that faith deed useless you fool you that believ delet opinion that you save faith alon not you taught roman can squar mind teach jame conjunct lukewarm christian spat can thi bother dear will never repli thi thing hope get had thought faith not accompani action dead jame faith belief and action that great swimmer never swim swimmer and will peopl that likewis christian never talk god christian faith demonstr action fact that talk god prove faith satan believ god not follow similar vein recent challeng john that come obei command find thi vers quit encourag impli that come obei command co live and cannot obei tend feel that daili submit ourself god will chang into like jesu and fruit and work will automat produc live hope thi help jame holland rcfec westminst
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath wrong wasn jeff fenholt part black sabbath major brother christ total chang life and and wife tour sing wit and spread gospel for christ wrong black sabbath similar band wasn that group jeff speak listen band black sabbath into sort satan stuff don mark dotsonm dmapub dma org
soc.religion.christian	hell articl apr geneva rutger edu tbrent ecn purdu edu timothi brent write state that not atheist not christian god recent discuss atheist and hell combin post anoth group effect you will hell interest consensu god judg men cathol told that jew buddhist etc heaven peopl not thi even atheist and pagan assum lump into thi categori hellbound you god can judg and not you for your opinion excel question timothi hpoe answer you will satisfactori can not understand mind god attempt answer you god bibl human relativli intend judg mankind test beleiv that jesu christ son god and that death and resurrect suffic serv justic for act commit that wrong ey god bibl call thi sin for die end world di complic explain laps clich god judg peopl baasi work thi world and minu system for god declar that can not toler spiritu imperfect can base your worthi live wrong your life good peopl even christian constantli sin god christian hoever god that christ life for sin penalti proscrib punish for sin death proscrib punish for robberi time jail god cannot for punish for sin not want condem bibl john that god not send son word condem that save realiz that sin and pain regular approach god and not hold thew sin that and privlig christ for jew promis that messiah come and di come jesu nazereth muslim fear lie fater li satan christ for don that view bibl stand olon defens you hell can not answer that for you can that perhap eaiser and answer can not hell that step reward stan tonei stonei oyster smcm edu opinion you borrow stai touch and ask question not god listen
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey recapitul bit essenc marriag two peopl commit each two peopl claim marri heart not will marriag recogn church and state that prima faci evid that commit isn obviou situat christian marriag civil church wed you strand desert island your state forbid marriag for unjust reason law interraci marriag legal concept common law marriag meant ensur that state will recogn marriag that not start usual ceremoni and record keep pastor concern that peopl not us marri god ey excus for live togeth formal wed duti marriag properli record and wit peopl wed ceremoni make genuin commit and not marri god ey michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi last statement danger long formal undertaken respons marriag moral oblig even intent not peopl involv marriag coven believ good faith that marriag occur oblig creat situat intent can marriag not exist classic exampl part plai except and clear parti clh
soc.religion.christian	assur hell previou articl lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrenc foard write you that jesu talk hell heaven you for thi info respect had for man diminish tenfold promis never wise love thi man hard time understand thi attitud gospel bit accur can doubt that jesu beliv hell realiti teacher wise and love thing peopl your audienc head warn cruel and sadist that such place exist and remain quiet scenario can envis dimish respect justifi jesu knew such place hell and spoke scare peopl you accus jesu thi encourag you reconsid love respons you perceiv danger dave weaver fool weaver chdasic sp mot cannot gain cannot lose jim elliot
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god jame sledd jsledd ssdc sa upenn edu wrote serb work god hmm wonder question govern unit state and europ not move end ethnic cleans serb target muslim can god us not accomplish task for esp task that pun jame sledd cute sig work you suggest that god support genocid perhap german punish jew god behalf god work that indescrib evil and unworthi worship faith revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell for resurrect dead and life world come nicen constantinopolitan creed resurrect thi statement mean resurrect soul guess resurrect strictli mean rais physic bodi question thi point time you church you can check creed that apostl creed resurrect bodi learn that bodi bit soul thought that christian descent into hell pretti and that peopl burn hell will soul don exist that time risk offend will interject centuri point view christ descend immedi into bosom abraham set captiv captiv preach save for dai draw back thi earth expert thi part matthew death jesu tomb open and bodi saint had fallen asleep rais and come tomb resurrect enter holi citi and appear nab hell damn you speak christ not act abod dead don want subject brethren anguish will direct you contact mail you genuin concern will bodi will creat atom that bodi made will built scratch your bodi adam fate encount act tran vulgat fill infus knowledg absent concupisc and immort glorifi sinc will physic bodi assum will physic place exist thi hell center earth you find dig wouldn recommend hot center earth you normal geotherm gradient and that regard boundari catechist tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu freenet carleton mark baker write ask you thing not visibl don thi believ blindli not not blind come into not deni reason insist reason draw conclus evid you decid advanc that your reason will act evid physic sens you cut reason possibl reach conclus physic sphere provoc inconclus conclus that physic sphere not explanatori your reli feel and experi sinc thi sourc inform left can you convinc that your feel and experi correct you can show visibl and measur effect experi that exist god and that leav sinc experi correct person realiti troubl feel and experi that can lead you astrai tragic outcom waco illustr that koresh follow believ that you and will agre that misl final earth you come conclus that physic sphere not explanatori you reli sens christian claim that receiv kind evid call faith and gift god that thi evid evid thing choos reveal hide evid sens cannot you such ting exist reason evid sens won christian reason evid faith and claim that thi evid wholli consist evid sens and that evid sens part god revel you definit evid that not familiar evid you can show unambigu that you true agre you that belief dieti matter faith not you can share experi independantli explain thi put belief matter experi impress that christian not monopoli reason evid and faith thing can previou articl ph vaxc monash edu you that scienc and reason cannot prove not us can faith alon and sinc can us faith pictur god hinduism valid anoth christian faith not oppos reason simpli sourc evid reason oper clear that human be system for explain evid physic sens and similarli system for explain evid provid faith religi believ gener and christian us reason sift evid come clearer understand evid provid faith scienc claim good reason valid system for explain physic univers and christian claim good reason valid system possess evid for explain god revel man risk repeat argument explain previous troubl that moslem buddhist jew etc will that claim good reason valid system possess evid for explain god revel man for buddhist read for explain exist god not you prove your case you disprov alt messian good place peopl strong belief faith and good reason you doubt that christian us reason read thi newsgroup for and you will ration debat aplenti that peopl can us reason never claim that don make that argument found that make blunder that expect peopl correct onc thi process remov essenti and contradictori bit hopefulli made progress truth mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi don low depart physic monash univers melbourn victoria australia
soc.religion.christian	for christian urbana illinoi apolog thi post isn for newsgroup correspond christian attend univers illinoi urbana champaign will transfer august complet and thought nice correspond peopl move steven schimmrich depart geolog scienc semper csc albani edu state univers york albani sunt quae albnyvm bitnet albani york videntur
soc.religion.christian	hell apr geneva rutger edu tim ask state that not atheist not christian god recent discuss atheist and hell combin post anoth group effect you will hell interest consensu god judg men cathol told that jew buddhist etc heaven peopl not thi even atheist and pagan assum lump into thi categori hellbound you god can judg and not you for your opinion thi simplist for john sau for god love world that gave son that believ not perish etern life genesi and abram believ lord and reckon righteous don find anywher that god restrict heaven ethnic group religi denomin categori that human drop peopl into requir that and trust hebrew that god spoke prophet testament last dai spoken son jesu christ and learn page testament bibl tell for never heard leav god capabl care will make desir behoov each act knowledg you reject claim jesu and heaven joke you reject and hell that joke will final gerri opinion express not necessarili employ
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu jason atlastel jason smith write law natur and effect dictat thi layman mind causal event reason altern exist big bang model suppos tempor singular point origin time for prior occur you want invent fabl for surround context fine fabl good prefer god that exist oppos singular that happen giant puce subspac iguana that fling univers tongu gob spit can law natur demand that isn true natur super natur genet code will deciph lifetim will not man convert inert materi into sustain reproduc life never prophet can even pictur york mind don technolog produc that spark life despit part opinion your opinion and wrong assembl molecul produc inert matter and spontan mutat into rapidli assembl form exposur ultraviolet light abiogenesi and begin evolut todai thi natur earli last year biolog vital dead and dead for year give life not spark life organ system pois chao and order king return jason your king baldli and repeatedli state back lifetim present and aliv and messiah nineteen nineti year anno domini max webb watch thi close had discuss etc not long ago not for replai detail discuss point max bring initi singular geometri big bang interest time turn into space clh
soc.religion.christian	lose your temper not christian trait articl apr atho rutger edu ruthless panix ruth ditucci come long line hot temper peopl temper tale sign fruit that give christian net repli acrid angri and sarcast hope that you not suggest that person repli acrid angri and sarcast manner that thi demonstr christian simpl fact that not christian face planet that that perfect time fit temper sulk thi not make christian point christian perceiv becom christ thi statement inher suggest that not christ jesu never unright lost temper jesu perfect not net villag laugh two profess born christian verbal attack peopl won christian and had origin join discuss spiritu hungri answer question sweet and sincer chrisitan net warrior flame queri you understand that thi christian forget treat role model christ thi human and falibl for not pretend infal and hope that fellow men will bear make mistak thi sure not make effort bear you don enemi you greatest harm and don foolish foolish foolish human brethren thi duticci valid point and christian heed warn articl oftim discredit ourselv and saviour that treat strive goal set lord meantim rememb condemn for christ you blow easi forgiv your father heaven forgiv you and rememb and thi firmli beiev and cling dai face face and that dai final perfect forward you rrrrr bbbbb robert pomeroi rrrr bbbbb teach keel bbbbb you want draw attent mail direct don read new pp offend thi articl beg your forgiv advanc
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath articl apr geneva rutger edu salari niblick ecn purdu edu rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbit wrote jeff fenholt claim onc roadi for black sabbath never musician band loui month back poster christian bookstor frequent turn address homosexu prostitut drug addict alcohol and headbang that show long hair and black leather jacket felt pre judg jeff fenholt speak and didn find judgement that word for that add inappropri that headbang program not put headbang class alchol etc condescend and that jeff wear black fenholt plai jesu jesu christ superstar person headbang time hard time secular metal group promot free sex and drug opinion that promot aren thing found good christian metal group that jon jon ogden jono mac rtsg mot motorola cellular advanc product divis voic data drew circl and shut heret rebel thing flout love and had wit win drew circl and
soc.religion.christian	lose your temper not christian trait articl apr geneva rutger edu jcj tellab jcj wrote remind peopl wither fig tree and jesu drive monei changer templ two instanc christ show anger part human side and paul angri and sin not not sun your wrath ephesian can angri sin jon jon ogden jono mac rtsg mot motorola cellular advanc product divis voic data drew circl and shut heret rebel thing flout love and had wit win drew circl and
soc.religion.christian	harrass work us prayer email thi appli peopl post work thi compani for year engin job femal yesterdai count and realiz that occas sexual harrass thi compani dread come back work todai boss come kind question your boss person bring problem not action higher and higher sexual harrass not toler and can enorm emot support discuss thi and that you feel you can not discuss thi your boss perhap your compani personnel depart that can work for you preserv your privaci compani will want deal thi problem constant anxieti affect effect employe job unclear your letter you thi not not inconceiv that manag remain ignor employe problem strife even year miracl notic perhap your manag not bring attent higher up compani want ignor entir problem state agenc will fight you check lawyer women resourc center etc find you want discuss thi your paster priest husband etc that you will not judgement and that support comfort etc thi will bring lot heal return find that singl person had left for lunch left bother call build even number post thi happen lot peopl honest due gross insensit feel you peopl offic tend insensit work hustl stress had thi happen lot didn realiz car broken etc will come back and didn want thi tend make stop angri and make laugh onc boss pai for lunch for thi reason hope good moder thi latest indulg you can turn comput for support sign comput ag close don hate action singl person harm you playground bulli and enjoi hurt and you not accept opinion imbecil that you worthless wiser peopl hold you great esteem darin johnson djohnson ucsd edu luxuri dai had make byte swap
soc.religion.christian	christian that not church member year met christian not associ local church and not member local church thi issu that person import bibl thi and can encourag friend regard thi issu gari chin staff engin sun microsystem view gchin eng sun
soc.religion.christian	hell tbrent ecn purdu edu timothi brent write state that not atheist you exist creator assum not christian god recent discuss atheist and hell combin post anoth group effect you will hell interest consensu god judg men cathol told that jew buddhist etc heaven peopl not thi even atheist and pagan assum lump into thi categori hellbound you god can judg and not you for your opinion god disclaim reserv judg individu case love serv justic don worri jew athiest heaven hell for that god judg you concern you worri abput refus satisfi god decre keep straight you that wrong discuss and explor make summari judgement peopl free will choos for don forc choic inform choic god will care rest justic tim mohammad khan khan nova gmi edu juli send mail mkhan nyx edu
soc.religion.christian	bibl unsuit for christian new cbnewsk att write true read peter peter warn that scriptur hard understand not learn subject inspar miracl fit reader bibl and ran time life and can you that drift faith book not expos joe moor mohammad khan khan nova gmi edu juli send mail mkhan nyx edu
soc.religion.christian	commit christian that battl problem that roman talk save faith not deed hebrew and jame that faith deed useless you fool you that believ stuff delet opinion that you save faith alon not you taught roman can squar mind teach jame conjunct lukewarm christian spat can thi bother receiv ton mail peopl repli thi articl wrote and time give hand help and affirm alot theori that held unsur god bless you will dalla cowboi world champion
soc.religion.christian	work god desire bradlei desire bradlei mindlink wrote sundai sermon joshua israelit jericho and proce massacr for rahab had shelter spi report bosnia mind felt uncomfort minist that massacr joshua bother that take christian shouldn troubl report ethnic cleans bosnia sympathi shouldn moslim that bosnian muslim descend christian turkish rule convert islam serb god work perhap whether ethnic cleans love kill act kill reflect attitud god send rain and unjust not christian uncomfort jesu gave follow law love follow and exhibit thi that discipl will doctrin polit correct not standard don christian move serb ancestor convert christian islam that christian you troubl ethnic cleans peac scott shalkowski scott art uwa edu
soc.religion.christian	nation dai prayer thi annual time prayer organ focu famili organ you not heard your christian radio station your local church call and give you inform citi san francisco bai area local coordin organ time and place meet prai san francisco oakland berkelei san jose peopl will meet each citi citi hall last year attend mountain view citi hall quiet and meaning time prayer gari chin staff engin sun microsystem view gchin eng sun
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath apr geneva rutger edu jprzybyl skidmor edu write wrong wasn jeff fenholt part black sabbath major brother christ total chang life and ozzi osbourn singer and main charact black sabbath good ol dai past and devout cathol heard alt rock roll metal newsgroup figur folk oughta disclaim great young and insan
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian follow god blindli you ask physic blind person follow ey dog answer quit simpl dog can and blind person cannot you cannot trust sens whether and hear god truth lie that faith save forc ourselv that god truth and love share even defi creat not love thi world you learn differenti illus and realiti your you wouldn reli doctrin that updat experi christian year that christian seek answer clergymen direct experi spiritu matter and that question can answer simpl introspect peopl suspect that cannot trust sens step figur that can trust not esoter that religion christian includ found intuit peopl understand thi stuff delet for you can convert you you choos follow god your will you follow christian share you love receiv god you reject that accept your decis offer open you you want find can suggest you prai for faith read bibl and ask christian experi person and origin poster pixi never convert make sens that major human for that matter hell for etern christian make sens that convert centuri doctrin that hold life for that simpli continu decid for you christian reli clergi reason hope you not protest emphas convers experi holi spirit and us bibl thi intend make that christian religi experi and that basi judg claim clergi and christian can speak for cathol and orthodox attempt avoid member simpli repeat told admit that thi isn success young peopl join church that ag parent expect member quit and will make judgement for and commit that come experi natur usenet that doctrin disagr emphas spend time deal doctrin that not experi christian live clh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers articl apr atho rutger edu petch gvg gvg tek chuck petch write wisdom gold choos understand silver proverb and amen that chuck for share can serv two master god and monei precious god lord and savior valuabl millionair will scott
soc.religion.christian	question christian ofm respond queri refer work commentari you want introduct book intend for us undergradu bibl cours give histor background discuss literari style etc and gener good bibligraphi for read typic recommend kee froehlich and young introduct two intro introduct mmel translat strandard text refer slightli date and style somewhat dens book contain wealth inform perrin and dule intro good somewhat modern mmel not quit dens pack author tend book histor order composit thi perspect develop good volum commentari recommend dai harper bibl commentari slight dissent harper not great problem that pretti skimpi bibliograph materi feel that for quick up not real for studi depth copi offic work coupl book thi titl book thi exact titl jame mai gener editor harper and row recal older seri name harper commentari separ harper bibl dictionari comment appli hbd favorit volum commentari jerom biblic commentari njbc cathol focu and somewhat bias reader can decid for whether pluse minus case scholarship and larg excel note njbc complet rework updat version jerom biblic commentari copi can found sale nichael
soc.religion.christian	god shape hole accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu johnsd rpi edu dan johnson write empti spot god shape hole heart eas pain heard thi claim quit time god shape hole busi pascal descart us thi figur speech vagu recollect read essai couldn for todd smith tsmith stanford edu
soc.religion.christian	can sin block prayer articl apr atho rutger edu qucdn queensu write heard interest notion that sin can block prayer god god will not hear prayer not confess sin total support confess sin god simpli not god will shut not confess thi kind idea that suffer caus sin job reader will realiz simpilist rest delet can father possibl not hear word children hear your prayer whether you sinner saint question real question you ask sin block hear answer and answer that question resound paraphras gospel call choos listen and prayer christ jame jame hale lincoln school health scienc comput unit trobe univers bundoora australia jame hale latrob edu grace god rest gentli forgiv ey and speak behold can evil noth world fear and text
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soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu freenet carleton mark baker write good and reason statement author delet atheist posit that author thi reason assert lead practic difficulti you reject author hand you reject possibl receiv inform atheist posit can never possibl chang falsifi and unscintif thi not true athiest posit that proof exist god peopl accept church priest straight scriptur proof thi not satisfi atheist atheist recognis author dogmat you claim prove time disput that church priest scriptur etc repres true author and truth demand scintif ration proof god exist deni god exist sinc scienc reason can natur prove you ask blindli you deni that part that make question god exist awar and reason not us abil reason becom ignor anim thi earth god want that you that scienc and reason cannot prove not us can faith alon and sinc can us faith pictur god hinduism valid anoth christian mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi don low depart physic monash univers melbourn victoria australia
soc.religion.christian	ancient book articl apr atho rutger edu mayn scri fsu edu bill mayn write articl apr atho rutger edu miner kuhub ukan edu write atheist convert argument thi excel question and anxiou such case doubt mediev period esp cent aquina flourish argument tool knew rule todai you can count peopl know even basic logic rhetor good argument indistinguish poor last sentenc iron sinc reader soc religion christian not embarrass apologist such josh mcdowel and lewi haven discuss peopl feel that lewi excel apologist and reason for embarrass you that error and flaw argument reason for dismiss thinker you dismiss thinker descart kant philosophi will introduc you weak express odd sens histori make you mass aquina dai illiter knew rhetor and logic peopl todai write period elev that cream crop speak read and write mediev period knew rule matter uncrit accept told noth mass compar mass dai and aquina dai odd read ortega gasset thi talk familiar experi argu night and win logic and evid discov your oppon unawar even intuit thing entail alon pragmat assum that parti colleg graduat don bother ken miner kuhub ukan edu can explain opinion chesterton
soc.religion.christian	question christian steven hoskin bach udel edu wrote thi newsgroup and fairli christian realiz ignor bibl and quit possibl christian hold true thi rectifi read bibl help read good interpret commentari bibl relev aspect christian faith question can recommend good read list theolog work intend for lai person recommend mcdowel evid that demand verdict book and manfr brauch hard sai paul hard sai jesu focu for christian struggl faith and encourag histor evid come background emphas knowabl faith scott dittman email sdittman wlu edu univers registrar talk fax washington and lee univers snail mail lexington virginia
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr atho rutger edu randerso acad sah uth tmc edu robert anderson write your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey not unwil public marriag ceremoni will not distinguish real logist problem strand desert island excus such wait for and brother come back armi can ceremoni michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect jsledd ssdc sa upenn edu jame sledd write final proof resurrect christ spirit communion and father matter faith belief logic proof inced largest stumbl block for ration western man includ hope that thi spirit intend and not reject resurrect occur beleiv want point weak logic proof term us load logic proof extrem messi thing appli real life you construct proof that yesterdai happen read thi for and rememb that happen proof proof start axiom and you axiom talk logic proof you can that you rememb yesterdai and that you axiom that you rememb happen counterclaim that you hallucin thing talk proof histor event you relax term bit you can show evid not proof evid resurrect jesu exist proof not christian flame resurrect disprov that thi will not happen evid for resurrect quit good thing not fair claim that you can resurrect faith reason that appeal mind
soc.religion.christian	question christian repli pwhite empro articl apr atho rutger edu bach udel edu steven hoskin write anoth question not affili congreg matter tast criteria us choos church don differ protest denomin america peopl tend choos church choos car countri club mean that cultur such that tend satisfi thing mind and not make prayer initi and primari part decis process peopl tend treat church club and like anoth that scriptur present idea that god take perspect church choos process cor that god doesn subscrib idea choos church that place bodi question not choos church figur god place person instrument lead you christ church logic choic you born into famili god peopl hop church church hop natur famili famili you met lord your speak not easili identifi church for starter you orphan prayerfulli and leav doorstep and anyplac feel home wouldn expect that god want place you church you difficulti fit peopl hand perfect church you attitud for problem you will find and make hand you attitud love and committ you will spread that wherev you gener that god will place you church that talk lord that you come and expand that base peter white disclaim written necessarili reflect view compani phil want christ and power resurrect and fellowship share niv suffer death
soc.religion.christian	god love you articl apr atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write uncomfort tract gener innappropri emphasi hell god deserv love and worship not idea frighten peopl into accept christ and jayn read gospel and topic that jesu spoke hell figur larg time heaven paul learn thess taught believ and church eschatolog and not hesit teach hell and damnat rev chapter specif and cannot allegor word throne us time rev and that unbeliev come receiv assign sever judgement for john read that judg rom speak that mouth will shut recours excus defens evangel combin live that show god love put into word and explain that love preach gospel live gospel noisi gong clang cymbal agre you life pendulum swing extrem stop moder extrem hell fire brimston preacher extrem hell not talk for fear offend someon sensibl forget found word life ministri rememb tell stori small town hardwar store and man point tell that didn satan hell believ heaven thi point that man ask prai god that send children hell man wouldn point made peopl don hell not will place faith that doesn exist thi man had prai prayer hell didn exist and fear prayer answer and walk will never us illustr includ watch basketbal bull game and blatant foul that isn call vei that ref that didn make that call unfair and life righteous demand payment surgeon take knife hand cut cancer god cut that creation preach gospel rich includ fact that you reject and truth and life broad distruct question you christian you afraid hell respond god love fall repent isn turn turn jesu us ministri can sure that love truth assuredli thought write thi topic not and that good reason for exist and etern god light love love boundari holi digniti man man robot respons creatur respons account aw sin todai poor poor concept sin god christ will die and offer avenu whosoev will rex
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti frank permiss ad inform and case chang order contribut order clarifi histor relationship view comment base primarili william rusch histor summari trinitarian controversi fortress save thi faq clh major view triniti second centuri writer cent import set context for discuss justin martyr aristid athenagora tatian and theophilu antioch apologist theologi describ logo theologi base strongli word john two phase approach etern logo father mind thought thi imman word express god reveal histori ultim jesu jesu full distinct father visibl histori logo had present god etern rusch regard thi view contain emphas final orthodox posit form sophist not technic languag properli deal etern plural godhead irenaeu held view somewhat similar apologist uncomfort two stage approach view god personag distinct that not becom fulli visibl process revel economi distinct present essenti natur irenaeu emphas holi spirit apologist irenaeu view call econom trinitarian that term us below refer develop centuri clh dynam monarchian sourc theodotu adher paul samosota artemon socinu modern unitarian percept god essenc uniti god denot on natur and on person son and holi spirit consubstanti father divin essenc imperson attribut divin dunami man jesu not god strict sens word percept god subsist notion subsist god palpabl imposs sinc perfect uniti perfectli indivis divers god appar and not real sinc christ event and work holi spirit attest dynam oper god not hypostat union asign deiti etern father uniqu origin univers etern exist and begin end son virtuou finit man life god dynam present uniqu christ not deiti human deifi holi spirit imperson attribut godhead deiti etern ascrib holi spirit critic elev reason wit biblic revel triniti categor deni deiti christ and holi spirit therebi undermin theolog undergird for biblic doctrin salvat summari thi thought not trinitarian god undifferenti son and holi spirit simpli name for man jesu and grace god activ church clh modalist monarchian sourc praxea adher noatu sabelliu swedenborg scleiermach unit pentecost jesu percept god essenc uniti god ultra simplex qualit character essenc natur and person thi essenc design interchang father son and holi spirit name for ident unifi simplex god name mode god reveal percept god subsist concept subsist god erron and confound real issu phenomenon god modalist manifest paradox subsist on refut recogn that god not person person name and role anoth part drama asign deiti etern father fulli god and fulli etern primal mode manifest uniqu and unitari god son full deiti etern ascrib sens anoth mode god and ident essenc god manifest tempor sequenc specif role incarn holi spirit etern god tile design phase god tempor sequenc manifest pursuant role regener and sanctif critic deperson godhead compens for trinitarian defici thi view propound idea that heret concept success manifest godhead cannot account for such simultan appear person christ baptism rusch comment that evid belief sketchi two slightli group includ noetu and follow and sabelliu noetu appar extrem sabelliu and attempt us featur econom trinitarian creat sophist view inform sabelliu come centuri and confus and marcellu ancyra clh move descript centuri view origin appear end clh econom trinitarian sourc hippolytu tertullian adher neo econom trinitarian percept god essenc godhead character triuniti father son and holi spirit manifest ident indivis substanc perfect uniti and consubstanti comprehend such manifest triadic deed creation and redempt percept god subsist subsist godhead articul mean such term distinct and distribut dispel effect notion separ divis asign deiti etern equal deiti father son and holi spirit elucid observ simultan relat oper featur godhead etern time not intellig surfac thi ambigu view logic implic critic tent and ambigu treatment relat aspect triniti note that thi develop apologist and irenaeu mention threeness visibl primarili wai that god reveal histori that thi manifest plural that present godhead begin tertullian talk father son and holi spirit that substanc peopl regard thi view essenti orthodox develop philosoph categori clh origen develop approach start clement attempt appli neo platon christian thought set term come battl platon fashion see son mediat mediat absolut god and plural creat be son gener etern gener that relationship father and son etern cannot that onc not phrase that will haunt discuss for centuri son intrins concept god father and son describ separ hypostas thi not quit mean separ subsist that had context union love and action reason that us term homoousio substanc holi spirit activ person substanc origin father son origen intent trinitarian not tritheist push thing direct separ fourth centuri clh subordination call arian clh sourc ariu major adher modern jehovah wit and lesser cult percept god essenc inher on god natur properli identifi father son and holi spirit discreet entiti not share divin essenc percept god subsist uniperson essenc god preclud concept divin subsist godhead threeness on contradictori and violat biblic principl monotheist god asign deiti etern father unbegotten god etern and begin son creat and not etern vener not divin essenc holi spirit nonperson nonetern eman father view influenc express god deiti not ascrib critic varianc abund scriptur testimoni respect deiti christ and holi spirit hierarchi concept likewis assert essenti separ person regard father christ and holi spirit thi result total confus soteriolog note that version thi view son not fulli human supernatur and sinless that distinguish thi view adoption clh orthodox trinitarian sourc athanasiu adher basil gregori nyssa gregori nazianzu augustin thoma aquina luther calvin contemporari orthodox christian percept god essenc god perfectli unifi and simplex essenc thi essenc deiti held common father son and holi spirit person consubstanti coinher equal and etern percept god subsist divin subsist occur mode hypostas such godhead exist undivid divid person thi view contempl ident natur and cooper function denial distinct person godhead asign deiti etern final distil thi view unhesitatingli set father son and holi spirit equal and etern godhead regard divin essenc and function critic shortcom limit inher human languag and thought imposs total describ ineff mysteri on cent approach fit descript and regard orthodox somewhat detail nicea origin held respond ariu ariu can thought carri origen thought bit point make son separ entiti gener east tend approach base origen and hard accept nicea east final accept base work athanasiu cappadocian gregori nyssa and gregori nazianzu start show that uniti natur and and action such that singl god thi allow council constantinopl wide agreement idea hypostates and ousia clh adapt chart christian theologi and doctrin wayn hous frank wish contend not answer time thousand job
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soc.religion.christian	work god desire bradlei desire bradlei mindlink ask whether serb god work bosnia refrain post hope that familiar answer thi point feel thing thi post bother not slightest suggest that christian us forc propag gospel and idea that not concern death moslem violat heart gospel christ di break distinct jew greek slave free male femal moslem not preach don kill attack state not religion christian attack town attack place christian and moslem live togeth peacefulli preced suggest fact two thing allud entri into canaan for that parallel for god promis thi land prophet and war holi war tight constraint behavior attack violat like israelit defeat rape not toler account joshua emphas town that total destroi note that for town make peac israelit and that onc that even decept involv expect honor contrast violat agreement thi incid evid that god grant bosnia serb promis land and had behavior disqualifi thi holi war parallel israel defeat assyria and babylonia prophet thi judgement israel for sin ask whether shouldn thi judgement bosnian for sin thi sound replai claim that shouldn doctor hospit ill god judgement even bad thing us god for good that includ action bad peopl that doesn justifi you read prophet you find clear that attack israel assyrian and babylonian act unintent agent god intent attack god peopl and judg for fact that carri god plan didn excus action shouldn conclud thi that attack judgement god god explicitli interpret that case prophet not send prophet bosnia find hard good current fight god will eventu make good come bad that doesn justifi and won save peopl judgement concern implic thi issu current tension west and moslem orient nation not for moslem conclud that christian kill moslem implic for mid east and even relat american moslem quit
soc.religion.christian	daili vers will you faith deed show your faith deed and will show you faith jame
soc.religion.christian	christian friend name joel sister birthdai tomorrow us fire for lord for reason cold don want associ anymor christian friend thought you send postcard card messag encourag hand written address hobart av san jose you and god bless jesu christ lord qualm post thi you want engag bit convers joel delug doesn expect card clh
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath articl apr geneva rutger edu salari niblick ecn purdu edu rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbit write lyric sinc whenev approach judgement pharisit evangel fundamentalist throw bibl long hair wear black leather jacket and listen black sabbath throw back show that import evil world battl rock lyric show that not evangel fundamentalist pharisit wear black leather jacket classic rock longer long lock onc had reli bibl basi for christian ethic fundamentalist evangel rex
soc.religion.christian	commit christian that battl problem that roman talk save faith not deed hebrew and jame that faith deed useless you fool you that believ stuff delet opinion that you save faith alon not you taught roman can squar mind teach jame conjunct lukewarm christian spat can thi bother will lot discuss thi will make case and you for grace save faith and that not gift god not work man boast ephesian god grace and faith that save not save love command john keep christ command work per and demonstr love for spake thi parabl man had fig tree plant vineyard and and sought fruit thereon and found dresser vineyard behold year come seek fruit thi fig tree and find cut cumbereth ground and answer lord alon thi year till dig and dung and bear fruit and not that thou shalt cut luke not chosen chosen you and ordain you that and bring fruit and that your fruit remain that whatsoev father name give you john clear vers that call bring fruit that fruit paul speak fruit spirit love joi peac patienc etc thing that manifest action that carri person claim jesu christ not thing christ command dare that don faith ask import faith work ask blade pair scissor import ask leg your pant import good work come and result faith faith true faith christ requir you command parabl speak allegor person bear fruit christ command action and don action and produc fruit uproot tree dead and useless faith action action prove faith and show genuin can sit and talk for dai fact that faith abil jump build and not hit ground word can sit and you dai long that faith abil fly don that faith will jump roof and test word and talk mean noth and give scriptur and peopl want will thi suffici hope help jon sig file broken
soc.religion.christian	messiah articl geneva rutger edu desire bradlei mindlink desire bradlei write miss post waco david koresh and second come second come real thing person claim insan fruit messiah come build kingdom heaven earth come reveal root origin sin fallen natur and provid mean cut connect that origin sin creat world peac base godism messiah teach will build foundat bibl provid profound insight into natur god fall man purpos creation and god provid restor will provid foundat for uniti world religion christian expect jesu come liter cloud miss return jewish peopl miss jesu year ago wait for come jewish peopl that ag expect elijah come jesu that john baptist elijah john baptist deni that elijah thi reflect jesu prison john even question jesu come for anoth book matthew not that david koresh second come christ break word second come koresh promis that come compound allow give radio broadcast didn that fool peopl david koresh didn even come close problem that peopl thi make difficult for peopl and trust real messiah show and meagr knowledg bibl that christian hard jew christ dai for cautiou accept that religi author didn accept messiah surpris that had discuss difficulti want earli recogn second come time not want credul believ claim god good point and perhap import point for christian recogn second come messiah not claim god set messiah apart that born origin sin not born perfect achiev perfect period growth adam and ev born sinless fell and thi tragedi meant that god thousand year creat kingdom heaven earth god origin intend god restor provid not complet messiah true son god god god repres earth not god god mark and you christ not mark and will son man come cloud great power and glori understand jesu answer that unlik come veil second come will quit unmistak koresh public statement not clear that claim christ thi world claim messiah mike
soc.religion.christian	witch and wiccan your opinion student eau clair paper witch and want your point view will not us you name you specif answer thi question christian you offend witch and wiccan you feel that tehi pagan evil sens word you time and cooper appreci thi survei conduct partial fulfil requir for engl taught karen welch univers wisconsin eau clair thi complianc certif requir univers institut review board for protect human subject complianc reason method for choos sampl clh
soc.religion.christian	assur hell articl apr geneva rutger edu lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrenc foard write and mail repli letter that atheist not doctrin hell noth preacher put fear into ignor man god hadn creat hell place die and save isn bit paradox god di fact such thing remot can infinit die your centuri concept interpret centuri writer your termonolog god not ceas exist that not death mean scriptur you will studi word you will that signifi separ death separ not ceastat thi reason for agoni cross for time etern member godhead separ two onc met young ladi that beauti model that live person saint imagin becom girlfriend for year draft separ distanc that form death decid that couldn wait for come home and bid adu that death separ that had made death separ and etern death etern separ fellowship not chose send you into outer dark you chose you that jesu talk hell heaven you for thi info respect had for man diminish tenfold promis never wise love thi man rebel earthli father spank found wisdom that had grown older and had children guid hurt that enter life continu suicid love interpret harsh and unlov god warn impend danger that love choos and end rule that harsh you conscienc matter calus fallen that wit you that thing wrong and that for fear jesu allegedli god doubt honestli feel pinprick man dealt thi give light error your understand correct knowledg order correct faith faith and knowledg insepar jesu felt pinprick life scriptur heb for not high priest cannot sympath weak tempt thing sin kenosi passag phil state that gave godhead attribut human favorit medit mine thi phd thesi conscious christ talk length great peopl thi interest studi includ clh concluss that jesu member triniti suffer part human race and experienc grew knowledg chose not grasp omnisci chose taught understand that led spirit such extent that sometim hard distinquish jesu man and jesu god adulter women thrown tens quit clear that situat surpris that not awar that thi event place time live sequenti histori you time can discuss thi lengthi discuss and that curcuit breaker brain pop not for info you friend and start freethink organ and us info you provid for organ intro duction onc member that club free thinker gloriou ideal contrast you that believ unforun repositori that dogmat inhibit reactionari and repress find such stanc amus absurd liber humanist wish critic christian buddhist marxist that not pretend that led thi sole ration doubt fact led faith acknowledg that ration doubt for free thinker critic christian equal ration doubt for christian critic humanist faith can dout faith cannot choos cast doubt faith pascal point that sceptic argument posit posit speak dubious sceptic fact that skeptic not skeptic skeptic evid that doubt person skeptic faith even faith will devot adher anoth fact measur poverti that unawar and that can defin neg term term theist peopl claim and argu vocifer for complet skeptic campu ministri ran across thi time care rememb disprov argument thought word point logic that us moment share commun speak total skeptic insist make sens eloqu testimoni assumpt that power silent that that complet skeptic imposs and limit skeptic arbitrari time you room skeptic yell your fly undon each person choos skeptic and believ skeptic stress thi belabor obviou underlin point that can exhaust pure objectiv myth and complet skeptic impossibl answer thi impass li know base presupposit knowledg proce presuppos prove cover blown pretent critic doubt and critic doubt depend idea that human knowledg total object and neutral word anoth myth presupposit friend imposs doubt not doubt assumpt presuppost even can criticez basi assumpt presuppostiton silent partner thought silenc not mistaken for absenc you god condemn for honest unworthi worship burn hell serv tyrant heaven that origin statement milton coin had us for millenia even us highland movi your presupt base faulti knowledg charact god you oper presupposit premis humanist theologi not reveal histori prophet word and lastli son you reject god annoint savior reject correct understand rex
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr geneva rutger edu ph vaxc monash edu write geologist wrong and peopl warn exist danger analog can push argument side melinda and assum premis us set your respect analog true and correct conclus will aris import point note direct side come christian truth and and duti truth christian can offend not evid truth christian not thi truth and offend christian claim truth analog not depend premiss true question discuss not truth arrog similar analog medic doctor believ that blood transfus save life child parent jehovah wit and conscienti object blood transfus doctor effort persuad agre blood transfus perceiv arrog precis christian perceiv arrog truth belief that blood transfus save life child irrelev matter that doctor believ true and foce belief parent and thi perceiv arrog steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
soc.religion.christian	src dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write find interest that cl never answer question pose make statement make shudder establish two tier god set rule for jew peopl and anoth set for save gentil peopl god discrimin jew accept jesu live gentil rule god set rule for peopl paul never law fact repeatedli that faith establish that annul law paul point german jew and greek law can never us instrument salvat and not combin ceremoni and moral law matt christ plainli and you that for jew benefit your christ politician speak side mouth paul not learn christ forget theologi jesu your excus will not hold court law earth god judgement hall pardon for confus begin your second paragraph you god set rule for peopl end paragraph you declar not combin ceremoni and moral law not not understand bibl you find declar that law ceremoni and moral unclear whether you bad set law place bad set law can ceremoni law that moral law and vice versa interest your comment passag cor paul teach rule for cover you head prai depend whether you man woman you apostl can prescrib set rule for men and women not for jew and gentil paul oppos circumcis gentil voluntarili circumcis timothi mark
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss articl apr geneva rutger edu clh write you christian paulin not you paul correct word jesu doubt mind sin and not not thi case jesu not deal explicitli question whether law bind gentil dissolv even smallest command and teach will lowest kingdom ski command and teach will great kingdom ski mat gau you you not assum that sinc jesu didn that word appli jew that appli human be irregardless race sex not assum that even jesu not mention your name jesu talk directli you that cite evid such jesu dealt centurion gener jewish view thi depend larg studi paulin theologi schoep and author can come moment author jew christian and christian jew discuss issu and newsgroup mat clear that law valid not that appli gentil that appli you you and that specif requir for worship sabbath ten command ceremoni detail you oblig gentil jp rememb sabbath dai and holi six dai you labor and your work seventh dai sabbath lord your god you not work you your son daughter your male femal slave your cattl stranger your settlement for six dai lord made heaven and earth and sea and that and rest seventh dai lord bless sabbath dai and hollow note specif requir for worship for not bold call vers ceremoni detail similarli circumcis don christian practic circumcis not quit can thi subject unfortun jesu didn answer question directli unfortun that jesu didn us your name directli jesu you cent jewish approach jesu dealt gentil and jesu discipl dealt issu acut refer act paul that agreement don that big problem you don problem perhap paul close roman gau short pursu end peac and build each don dietari consider undo work god clean evil for person eat offens spirit not eat meat drink wine your brother offend for faith that you that and god person luck doesn condemn for sampl hand person doubt eat guilti isn act faith and failur act faith sin christian specif jewish christian group and sabbatarian small group not practic circumcis religi ground countri for suppos health reason not heard argu that biblic command clh
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr geneva rutger edu caralv caralv auto trol carol alvin write vbv eeap cwru edu virgilio dean velasco write hold that scriptur true discern exactli jesu paul and compani not easi don that paul that women behav that that circumst time women speak avoid volubl and cover head thi maintain proper wit rememb that number relativist statement can deriv absolut for instanc absolut for christian strive for peac thi not rule maintain world peac resort violenc occas opinion agre that truth scriptur principl learn claim that that truth absolut impli liter read bibl absolut truth constant across time cultur etc interpret strongli disagre that absolut truth not requir interpret that truth absolut not obviou thing truth subject misinterpret strongli suspect that reach impass deign comment bibl preach absolut truth exactli truth sometim matter confus bibl preach absolut truth sometim fundament principl crystal clear evangel thi arrog come plai sinc principl crystal clear evangel rest word for isn crystal clear that fundament principl fundament principl hold never that christian cannot arrog christian src stress thi trap that christian wari thi not mean that you absolut establish bibl you necessarili arrog christian can that word god absolut not expect thi immedi evid that your posit bibl absolut truth prone error interpret cannot reliabl determin figur that truth that not quit you that stanc cannot reliabl determin true that not that fallibl human be cannot discern truth certainti distinct subtl import scientist perform experi can claim that result reliabl claim that absolut mistak whatsoev made word can admit that mistaken sacrif convict can establish absolut truth certainti centuri philosoph argu can complet certainti and cannot descart made step direct utter cogito ergo sum not advanc that you that peopl you exist you that comput termin you exist can you absolut that you not grand illus you such assur thi not mean that for practic purpos you can that exist christian matur christian deep convict absolut moral acknowledg that probabl that wrong thi not mean that abandon absolut point spend thi time claim and defend absolut truth can never truth and can never shouldn act practic differ can thi make can never absolut that correct thi not mean that cannot light evid render doubt unreason virgilio dean velasco depart electr eng and appli physic cwru graduat student roboticist train and wannabe bullwinkl that man intimid refere boss not doesn jewish carpent
soc.religion.christian	question author despit trendi liber feminist tendenc and fact that basic agre you will rebut nanci sweeti write chri mussack write for peopl insist question author author sometim peopl evil thing peopl follow order tortur and kill larg number and protest innoc basic question suppos thi true situat that come peopl not and follow impuls claim that danger author site sexual transmit diseas drug abus manner crimin activ save and loan scandal car accid egg thrown hous exampl peopl not author easili argu that evil exampl you gave problem leader not author and want top chain li search your author start tell you thing you question for situat press shut hatch submarin fill water reason author give justif that you can understand don simpl you claim press ambigu recycl not realiz that kid despit precoci tire constant lack understand tremend knowledg impart listen author answer ahh iron end ironi impli initi pithi retort bumper sticker clich question author that question author person tell question author segment societi that find mean rebel forsak for sake freedom question integr and fortitud anoth freedom that come task correctli peopl level develop area part challeng life find author follow can learn skill subject will follow teacher perhap blindli learn question question develop skill challeng onc stage you told question author perhap you shouldn chri mussack good comedian never explain joke
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian read carol respons and had into thi vers not subject interpret peter timothi and galatian base fact that jesu word incarn and judg peopl follow act and john and that reject jesu teach judg word spoke john jesu word true and not interpret god judg base word had interpret joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	cell church discuss group articl apr geneva rutger edu reid uiuc edu jon reid write begin mail discuss group cell church you defin cell church miss past thi brought joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	religi war articl apr geneva rutger edu fraseraj dc glasgow andrew fraser write you that religion caus war bother that cannot find satisfactori respons thi religion peac and love religi war thi question ask group deal econom answer that war econom observ past year and not withstand histori read besid that religi differ plai part conflict race econom and item that identifi group men anoth want couch conflict christian term put christ di for sin sinner individu assum christlik natur not even come close realiz that wai thi trite answer guess that ration man constant conflict jerri kemp somtim consult internet kempja rcwusr kemp tnd dnet
soc.religion.christian	prayer and advic request famili problem juli situat that you describ brother live that and thing almost bad left consider shorter amount time due problem relationship thing room togeth optim room noth breakabl lock door you throw kei underneath door longest hand can reach you conclus imagin and hash thing like will scream cry and possibl hit decid bring rope tie peopl strategi keep thing calmer includ each individu statement feel that thi relationship hurt involv don understand you come reinforc statement paraphras etc you that thi that reason for thi don accus each your fault that happen find common ground lampshad decor and function time guarante situat thi gunnysack hash topic assum resolv not and feel blame thi minimum and simpli for forgiv apolog each situat hold smolder grudg relationship can work matter keep thing smooth and even sort make peac treati war faction you can give side compromis break can commun involv continu relationship surviv joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	eliz prophet articl apr geneva rutger edu jek nih gov write rob butera ask book call lost year jesu elizabeth clare prophet marriag rememb aright base almost teach messag allegedli receiv telepathi tibet surpris book you mention scholarli basi book titl book person engag bizarr form christian mystic heavili influenc eastern philosphi great titl astrolog horsemen chapter into noth origin bias even thi book basic collect previous publish work claim that exist buddhist and hindu stori that christ visit india and china issa period late teen ag conclus book let you come your view present summari publish work and letter you verifi independ includ refut such work even you theolog warp thi book nice refer summari for interest rob butera ec grad student sick music make monei todai rice univers houston nietzsch
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart collect peopl good answer question follow jason smith post will address issu that caus misunderstand jason smith jason atlastel wrote articl apr atho rutger edu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko write conced that doubli remiss assert reason altern exist subject statement part and that invalid time and discoveri scientist understand that prove theori not necessarili that thi happen propos like descript phenomena question mistaken thi understand degre excel discuss sci skeptic natur scientif work two week ago hope not escap your notic correct word like model and theori absolut correct theori back evid not prove theori can true mathemat sens theori not mere descript rationalis phenomena extrem import test whether theori can predict not observ success theori scienc come pass thi test includ big bang theori cosmic evolut theori natur select etc not mean correct not mere fit for data you claim that answer univers spacetim emerg noth scienc good candid for answer requir christian readili admit faith you want thi not scienc requir good theori and evid theori made success predict and us your reason disbeliev not punish fact that candid beli that conclus conclus evid left faith thi puzzl faith fellow atheist call weak atheist unabl fail entertain belief god that can god luther make thi quit clear letter erasmu afraid thi not chang situat coupl paragraph delet summari univers exist thi question split into two part exist exist and univers emerg noth delet question exist can counter demand answer question noth nothing exist question turn devoid mean thing that exist and thing that don exist don exist tautolog carefulli examin origin question and counter question ask second request for definit not thi true dichotomi exist noth exist noth exist exist exist give answer imagin for moment that nobodi exist noth exist thi equival counter question noth exist nothing exist equival exist something thi meant tautolog apolog for poor word previou post add worldview thing that exist and thing that don don ground realm falsifi theist belief god base assumpt that not reason for ultim support posit reason foundat exist soil that claim reason reason for exist gener for reason state will leav open question thi and not that and thi theistic explan come scienc cannot give reason for human exist come thi for reason thi deep philosoph question determin true not god determinist not tend thi question mean case for reason fail perspect exist for random reason roll two dice and can reason for exist satisfactori answer you for you satisfi and not doctor your search begin satisfi thi reason find year christian thi respect admit patient anoth answer that god sourc exist thi sound tempt god exist god sourc exist can mean that term human time exist thi not sourc exist thi not preclud exist seek identifi qualiti impli exist qualiti btw doesn exist god cannot exist for answer thi question not knowabl thi not obstacl belief exist discov scienc inadequ tool answer appear that pihko agre tool inadequ answer question not preclud question assert that invalid question not provid answer imposs unknow thing question exist not invalid question thi not perspect imposs and can explan anoth sinc found delud apolog thi come pre exist becom exist pre spacetim becom spacetim pre exist oxymoron time thi spacetim univers and that perspect univers never exist for insid come admiss that scienc fail answer can answer realm modern scienc that make question invalid valid question discuss separ philosophi great can and not knowabl pihko present good point individu christian base faith will shaken product evid that shatter sacr cow will seek understand discoveri disagre god and continu word thi good question answer thi and numer question that bother final found noth base faith honest ask ourselv don petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
soc.religion.christian	branch davidian info articl mar atho rutger edu clitton opi bgsu edu write clitton opi bgsu edu subject branch davidian info date mar gmt for inform branch davidian send info chad litton ac dept bgsu bowl green mail clitton andi bgsu edu advanc don claim expert branch davidian branch davidian group led koresh two shoot group shephard rod shephard rod defunct broke sda church shephard rod broke sda church felt that sda church weak and fall into apostaci felt that remnant spoken revel koresh group koresh gain control onc control made center proclaim christ koresh sda background excommun young adult local congreg for exert control youth church thi join branch davidian survivalist cult thi had stockpil weapon food bomb shelter etc had intent raid govern prepar for armaggedon and put defens posit opinion atf and fbi had left alon wouldn blood children cry ash waco you want shephard rod you want visit local sda church and talk older peopl give you insight into koresh theologi tammi
soc.religion.christian	assur hell articl apr geneva rutger edu lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrenc foard write god motiv fear not god worthi worship god jesu spoke exist not hell reason for exist hell justic fear effect realiti hell boundari catechist tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell andrew cmu edu andrew byler write mark schnitziu write liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such thi found confus your nerv end die your physic bodi flame hurt you can wail and gnash teeth lung and teeth can feel physic pain bodi you doctrin resurrect bodi peopl will great judgement for resurrect dead and life world come nicen constantinopolitan creed you will bodi and soul hell eventu thi get interest rais roman cathol atheist state thi creed you quot sundai for reason resurrect thi statement mean resurrect soul guess resurrect strictli mean rais physic bodi question thi point thought that christian descent into hell pretti and that peopl burn hell you impli that will not occur great judgement read mean proverbi judgment dai confus thi point even church can clear for will soul don exist that time will bodi will creat atom that bodi made will built scratch physic bodi suscept ag etc guess bodi will radic order immort can tortur for etern sinc will physic bodi assum will physic place exist thi hell center earth you find dig mark schnitziu schnitzi eola ucf edu univ central florida not complet agreement detail afterlif common view that final disposit not occur final judgement futur meantim that peopl sleep final resurrect god time pass directli death futur time resurrect occur that soul disembodi pre resurrect exist altern that omit bodi gener conceiv implement technolog current not mortal paul talk mortal rais immort and jesu resurrect bodi exampl not subject kind limit our assum that similar that peopl will recogn each don peopl claim detail don atom assum analog physic place wouldn expect find earth sky suspect that anoth dimens thi physic world detail clh
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soc.religion.christian	hear sinner articl apr geneva rutger edu jek nih gov write question god hear prayer sinner distinguish that never hear prayer sin make pointless prayer born centuri ago prayer impenit sinner lord want you thi for don expect chang life that matter doubt that god hear prayer thing thing will happen will question god grant wish you brutal shot realiti similar you didn that toi you want for christma you cannot expect you want thi world mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr geneva rutger edu mcd brunel michael davi write your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey that two public announc plan marri made vow god and unswervingli commit anoth realiz thi subject qualifi marri join god sight read scriptur coupl becom marri physic marri sexual intercours year ago anglican synod discuss marriag canon and debat constitut marriag bishop natal wife year had di and had recent remarri announc consumm and look that cat that cream suppos agre you steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
soc.religion.christian	latest branch davidian articl apr geneva rutger edu conditt tsd arlut utexa edu paul conditt wrote sad that peopl put faith mere man even claim son god and prophet pose question that think distinguish true religion cult speak gener not specifi christian jerri falwel good morn america tuesdai ostens answer thi question basic that true religion follow messag cult follow person christian cult messag christian person jesu distinguish for exampl branch davidian cult presbyterian church doctrin differ don answer question imho don us answer scott brandei god demonstr lord bless you and you love for that lord make face shine you sinner and graciou you christ di for lord lift counten you and give you peac roman nasb number nasb attempt character cult commonli characterist involv high pressur brainwash techniqu etc peopl character doctrin error end afraid becom term precis mean that us primarili dismiss group not worthi consider that doesn mean that aren group that highli irrespons thing and doctrin error past discuss not suggest that cult help term clh
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect articl apr geneva rutger edu andrew srsune shlrc edu andrew mcveigh write bibl messag that love peopl and that peopl redeem preach messag repent and give peopl deceit heart and capabl turn thi messag and contort sometim unbeliev wai thi fundament christian doctrin andrew thi true and long for dai will true ala not true histori bibl not messag messag and messag repent and give turn cheek and messag complet opposit isrealit order wipe tribe includ women and children cattl and punish sever complet job jew cri matthew blood head and children head vers quot pogrom crusad holocaust misunderstood not understood essenti that christian grasp firmli good bibl teach meek carpent nazareth potent symbol for teach heart cannot ignor materi bibl not like and live that misread that chose point interpret and declar norm such can legitmaci text critiqu text understand that good and bad sacr corpu test thing and hold fast that good that line question you present strang compat christian christian encourag question behaviour world and christian prais god for jesu christ and fact that can doubt belief and come back god and forgiven time and time risk sound heret heret don that doubt requir forgiv requir introspect and reflect that sin can salvat for doubt inescapbl part human job friend had doubt job had doubt doubt wisdom and justic god god final rebuk friend and had job make sacrific for christian doubt not honesti randi
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian read carol respons and had into thi vers not subject interpret joe you aren subject interpret doesn necesarili make that your interpret text peter timothi and galatian peter thi that propheci scriptur matter interpret for propheci made act human will men move holi spirit spoke god studi note bibl offer mean for vers apparantli not clear charl ryri you timothi scriptur inspir god and profit for teach for reproof for correct for train righteous that man god adequ equip for good work galat for you brethren that gospel preach not man for receiv man taught receiev revel jesu christ read passag not immedi clear phrase meant had stop and connot word intent author translat us correct english word convei mean had interpret you want that your not interpret scriptur you read noth can chang your mind naiv that cultur experi educ not affect read base fact that jesu word incarn and judg peopl follow act and john and that reject jesu teach judg word spoke john jesu word true and not interpret god judg base word had interpret colleg entir biblic interpret christian bookstor score book interpret and understand scriptur interpret unnecessari aw lot misguid christian wast lot time and energi carol alvin caralv auto trol
soc.religion.christian	iter bibl ofm repli question multipl translat bibl christian that process copi manuscript process translat free error thi isn true anoth new group earlier thi year post that king jame bibl divin inspir version bibl english and inerr english translat satan deceiv bodi christ year ago pastor church attend show poster advertis avail man address congreg prominantli poster fact that man us kjv idea that kjv english bibl preval scott brandei god demonstr lord bless you and you love for that lord make face shine you sinner and graciou you christ di for lord lift counten you and give you peac roman nasb number nasb
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god andrew kill write you suggest that god support genocid perhap german punish jew god behalf god work that indescrib evil and unworthi worship faith bibl that govern ordain god roman and god foreknow that happen difficult for human grap limit mind inevitabl sucess god plan and thi hard grasp governemnt evil evil and not cooper such understood that happen god want lead final sucess plan save soul hell short slaughter bosnia deplor ey god get desert plenti exampl god kill peopl for sin onan testmament for exampl and annia and spahira will happen that plan accomplish don forget not unbibl for god us nation execut judgement anoth roman us fulfil choru blood hand crowd jersualem and chaldea chastis babylon israel inturn persia etc god us nation punish nation bibl show testament don you rememb word god record daniel mene mene tekel pere babylon had weigh balanc scale god justic found severli want and persian due punish for rebellion anoth exammpl extirmin cannanit order god task israel cannanit had chanc found severli want and great judg carri sentenc accrodingli exampl point quit clear two thing rememb time not question god order world divin wisdom made world ey and paul roman clai not tlak back potter messag jesu christ follow repent for kingdom heaven hand jesu christ not time for dilli dalli dead buri dead come follow not infinit amount time christ pass call peopl follow and becom fisher men not alright you can call back week and kingdom fit your plan follow messag not sweeti pie never hurt fly you time world and divin judgement that fairi tale great god and savior jesu christ titu and righteou judg world and not defend trial question sentenc chastis merci andrew byler not wai heart perceiv sin and will not judg men work proverb
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell articl apr geneva rutger edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write don problem condemn hell god punish for honest skeptic that for doesn exist wouldn chang natur spend etern hell besid god heaven know even man spend etern life scorch for wrongdo ironi jesu will tortur free you definit promis hell base adam ev fall grace stand your place you give your redempt stand not accept grace god hell put burden choic thi fiction sinc you reject sociolog professor onc told begin term you start you that thi term you begin adam and ev mark haefner
soc.religion.christian	cell church discuss group that definit cell church not group get togeth indianapoli week attend joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	christian that not church member note church and help idea choos church colossian jesu head bodi church you cannot jesu church ephesian church famili god church base word god cornerston christ foundat apostl testament prophet testament revel corinthian baptism becom member church for question denomin bibl teach that church ephesian roman corinthian corinthian that divis church person church and time write church todai problem timothi that peopl will turn truth and find church that teach doctrin that suit lifestyl hebrew not miss church purpos encourag each will remain faith involv relationship level church come servic anoth vers help hebrew church encourag daili duti standard appli timothi peopl church watch live and doctrin make live word discipl act pastor not come close apostl paul natur conclus sinc apostl paul talk jesu directli face face berean consid nobl didn paul word check scriptur verifi statement church member and verifi pastor statement not verifi valid light vers that group avoid church made wonder suggest waco group light matthew joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey question for you relat thi jesu condemn divorc time testament and hard time thi cathol church can grant annul statement that marriag never exist god ey mistinterpret correct wit marriag two peopl love recogn that destroi and each stai marriag and that problem due person childhood issu that had never resolv you divorc justifi such case knew deepli love end not work admit that don jesu forc live togeth even condemn that and seek happi opinion vera your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim thi commonli discuss question long that ask you expect rang answer cathol and will that divorc never justifi situat abus for separ allow tradit that forc stai situat danger last resort situat that fallen apart badli that can hope for choos lesser evil sens difficult legal question turn not divorc remarriag that jesu statement mark and par thing thi turn your approach bibl conserv protest tend statement thi except liber will make allow for situat liter interpret lead pain result note that time for man divorc wife almost whim common explan liber approach that jesu protect peopl thi sort thing not establish absolut rule never except cathol typic cathol ethic theoret hard line for except practic process anul last discuss cathol reader accept reluct that case good altern feel that church job help peopl prepar for marriag and deal problem that come and that properli run church divorc not clh
soc.religion.christian	know god will don bibl you relat christian christian bibl relat christian nation each and relat christian nation nation not christian question concept religion bibl religion god includ and necessit law extract bibl religion belief and noth govern side for exampl govern nation wrongdo bibl treat statement bibl that bibl guid for aspect life you beytullah
soc.religion.christian	harrass work us prayer repeat and emphas that make you feel horribl and worthless not mean that you feel that that easier sometim rememb god made you and love you you special excus trite languag bulli mean for reason not intent mental tortur harass not talk email reaction weren fast and post respond didn includ your address courag and rememb that net root for you care vera hand hand noy midwai uchicago edu doesn vera noy hand hand strength common touch drop line you mood rush hand fist
soc.religion.christian	hell articl apr geneva rutger edu stonei oyster smcm edu stanlei tonei write muslim fear lie fater li satan christ stan tonei stonei oyster smcm edu opinion you borrow pick thi point struck you thi muslim thing that christian and jew jesu not messiah prophet thi closer christian religion tend somewhat liber belief thi relat serbian ethnic cleans question wait for condemn thi and can stand and watch innoc peopl even peopl belief condemn thi case and don wrong thing fundamenalist muslim women make blood boil tortur rape stori that made physic ill and kill jesu love not love back and advoc kind hope convert that you want put kill subject us titl thi chest peac shalom vera shanti hand hand noy midwai uchicago edu doesn vera noy hand hand strength common touch drop line you mood rush hand fist worri thi issu made post name earlier todai not want discuss moslem belief thi isn group for belief jesu come koran bibl thi mean that honor and stood for differ wai christian belief moslem belief topic for soc religion islam you christian that you accept christ order save stanlei comment appear anti moslem assum thing religion christian clh
soc.religion.christian	hell articl apr geneva rutger edu tbrent ecn purdu edu timothi brent write state that not atheist not christian god recent discuss atheist and hell combin post anoth group effect you will hell interest consensu god judg men cathol told that jew buddhist etc heaven peopl not thi even atheist and pagan assum lump into thi categori hellbound you god can judg and not you for your opinion dear tim you that you cathol you not christian god suppos that mean god bibl and publicli state thi you probabl not roman cathol public heret even err good faith materi heret not belong bodi church fundament cathol dogma ludwig ott not lost you belong spiritu church your desir belong you god can judg condit man soul judgment hand paul cor urg christian judg fellow christian apostl teach judg that you reconsid return christian fold and embrac god abraham isaac and jacob god live you told believ you cathol that true post vatican lumen gentium teach fault not gospel christ chruch nevertheless seek god sincer heart and move grace action will dictat conscienc achiev etern salvat respond your solicit for opinion think process god can refer you scriptur scriptur sourc for learn can god stick boundari catechist tenei que pensar que haya venido traer paz tierra venido traer paz sino guerra mateo esp vulgata latina
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl geneva rutger edu prism gatech edu boundari write dleonar andi bgsu edu pixi write deletia sig you sincer that god exist you follow blindli word question author mean you defi theist repli deletia formal thi pass not worth time and not intend for couldn resist person weak mine jerkiu kneeu tragic incur foundat for faith god reason exist god not proven that exist can proven reason indisput short treatis tradit proof for exist god and summa theologica not can prove that exist god disput show that peopl disput thi easi disput that god exist simpl miss your tradit proof treatis proof rememb summa theolog wai poor stuff ontolog argument billion time imho you want tradit proof gener failur tradit proof think ontolog argument cosmolog argument and teleolog argument tradit funni name that god exist and that exist can proven reason assert that command blindli fallen condit measur doubt faith thi real question discuss assum god exist heavenli author babbl god thing mover matter independ thing that requir noth for exist measur that perfect and essenti order univers logo show thi case familiar argument and accept for sake argument that even find premic question rest you show thi includ that god assert that god good deni that god good thi that contrari will god evil absenc good and sinc god can never contradict promis savior earli protoevangelium genesi god instruct that human adam respons for man alien sourc good man requir act restor friendship god incarn person messiah thi isn consist human renew relationship god incarn not can you god human grant god made human thi nonetheless cheat intent statement that man fix problem caus god fix even indirect mean contradict thi thi messiah claim that truth john thi claim true bound reason follow truth incarn assum claim true claim truth you bound reason follow you problem author you unit state marin corp can you hand that excel instructor author undoubt you mean impli obei command marin question you impli thi god and that marin similar thi respect thi not you explain you miss you not had privileg will repli that author truth incarn never question and blindli not question even truth cannot thi irrat question perhap will discov that wrong you assert that god truth and can question truth assert that god not truth and can question truth assert good not deni truth herebi deni hope you agre truth grant pretti damn silli that need agre true you notic stormtroop march drag gulag heaven light bolt mysteri net outag permit such thing absurd not for exampl proverbi appl fell isaac newton head deni that happen not law physic obei whether human like not true not true newton deriv not true and wildli inaccur high speed small distanc not set law physic that work case physic scienc question thi sort truth didn follow aristotl gener thi you want learn you question thing you you can wrong author truth not deni even presuppos that truth not deni and not question and that god truth follow that god not deni question not that obei unquestioningli disobei annoi you not connect denial disobedi dan nicknam johnson and god jeez thi dull and dull genesi opinion show
soc.religion.christian	jesu black thi subject incred inflammatori subscrib biblic archaeolog review will rememb spectacular letter battl set complain franklin mint bar great magazin contrast scholarli articl and incred sleazi ad extrem thi hawk doll head base famou bust nefert give face typic doll pink complexion letter complain thi misrepresent ground that nefert beauti black queen thi set exchang hothead letter ran for issu point had articl egyptologist titl cleopatra black answer titl greek that hear hyster note complain person blond hair jesu nation shrine wash and found jar western represent vari enourm gener imag youngish male dark hair and beard sort that can found modulo nose and mediterranean rememb correct black madonna doesn repres person negroid featur black accid joe buehler presenc marbl statu prone forget that greek like black hair cross bosporu situat break complet turk white persian group indian subcontin gandhi white arab pictur nassar and sadat stand side side and ethiopian white racist bent not like that peopl white racist race risk potenti inflammatori remark undercurr thi identif modern jew member oppressor race extrem dicotomi mediev religion hand and mediev antisemit don that thi jesu white thesi plai role that hold represent jesu black korean fine serv insist that jesu belong racial group wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
soc.religion.christian	for videotap recent product homosexu and decid that interest videotap copi can for gai agenda produc beeson group report john ankerberg recent seri understand homosexu and experienc genuin chang jame kennedi special homosexu air thi week and portion previou week program discuss gai agenda will not pai monei for copi sinc thi copyright materi and that illeg will pai for return postag can desir trade and can btw watch march washington span fact that gener repuls watch found thing interest gener david dinkin finish speak and remark that york citi deleg consist peopl funni don peopl period quit parti scene last night exagger sean patrick ryan fsspr aurora alaska edu sean fred cojon oregon anchorag fnord abort stop beat heart disclaim didn inhal iditarod scoreboard men women read alt flame sean ryan don suppos you interest hear homosexu agenda homosexu christian portray homosexu agenda regard somewhat akin understand fundamentalist christian branch dividian you want evalu group claim chang homosexu church presbyterian church usa look into thi issu even conserv member committe concern real and long last interest report polic and press number peopl particip todai idea tomorrow clh
soc.religion.christian	hell xopr maccvm corp mot gerald mcpherson write you reject claim jesu and heaven joke you reject and hell that joke will final thi god attitud terri pratchett religi philosophi god don blighter moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourk clive come retract foreskin misconcept jame triniti colleg dublin and appli wire brush enlighten geoffm brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr geneva rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write basic problem your argument your total and complet relianc biblic text luke account highli suspect refer you hermeneia commentari act articl apr geneva rutger edu ata hfsi hfsi john ata write even independ proof that luke account valid find strang that you negat truth direct histor evid that you mention back assert made unequivoc that christian suffer for faith believ resurrect luke account suggest and absenc direct eyewit can claim that luke mistaken suggest that thi unequivoc assert suspect john problem that you peic respons bother connect part repeatedli note that problemat historc act and examin work john domin crossan and burton mack onc you time examin recent develop biblic scholarship you will grasp origin claim somewhat limit thi answer claim that wit couldn ly willign suffer for belief not show that christian suffer for believ resurrect issu whether wit agre that post you respond show that can liber conserv dogmat clh thi issu situat waco show that requir that peopl will die for belief for true sure david koresh son god spurriou arguement that resurrect had true for peopl will die put rest problem that monologocentr even resurrect big deal doesn for thoma even john degre lot thing earli christian togeth that worth dy for belief that even idea mix race commun brought region nation boundari name koinonia for peopl will die radic communti that jonestown waco warsaw etc origin point that roman persecut persecut document proof not whether carpent back dead such claim not uniqu abhor roman greek mind point that avoid militari and civic duti emperor worship problemat noth resurrect nero us christian human torch light dinner parti wasn risen savior supposedli involv incest and cannabl argument that christian martyr for resurrect cannot stand critic examin randi
soc.religion.christian	good electron christian magazin subscrib leadership magazin disk paper disk save retyp illustr etc into word processor cut and past good christian magazin leadership disk media info gratitud jame
soc.religion.christian	survei faith reason survei conduct for term project philosophi class not meant give interest statist want hear kind voic not ask for full blown essai give you can not read group email respons shimpei leland stanford edu mail account not infinit you can delet question and number answer you write back sinc start analyz result answer april you absolut cannot make liken hear your answer interest final project send note that effect answer april you absolut cannot make hear your answer interest final project send note that effect includ note your survei respons and email you late survei question you had troubl reconcil faith and reason troubl for exampl you unsur whether creation evolution hold truth you practic tarot card palm read divin that conflict your scientif knowledg world your religion requir you ignor physic realiti that you for make logic sens you basic you believ that your reason tell you wrong question you had conflict you resolv conflict question you haven had troubl you you haven set guidelin you us for solv problem you for your time shimpei yamashita stanford univers email shimpei leland stanford edu kind mathematician can count and can that time year rememb that ask for you respond email clh
soc.religion.christian	sex educ articl apr geneva rutger edu bruce liv bruce stephen write fascin such evid send your articl neg side suspect that such simplist link abstin educ decreas pregnanc contracept educ increas pregnanc fals guess largest proport liber sex educ western world highest teenag pregnanc rate correct guess wrong articl term group discuss want point that liber educ head sand not abstin educ had liber educ drug kid didn lot good abstin educ drug proven effect joe kellett jkellett netcom
soc.religion.christian	work god hedrick rutger edu write distinct jew greek slave free male femal moslem not preach don kill muslim spell sometim moslem that muslim strong jesu refer islam text eesau jesu esu esu pronounc eee yah knew ideal thi war not even and even time war goal peac refrain viloat peac violat will not peac ourselv don thi war eaither conflict territori croat muslim and serb live togeth peac ralli point race and that gener wouldn mind presid mohammad khan khan nova gmi edu juli send mail mkhan nyx edu christian perspect moslem idea jesu erron gener avoid discuss islam thi group sinc soc religion islam place for that don want into detail will simpli note that moslem reject christian regard essenti fact jesu christian perspect moslem don jesu thi justif for christian hate moslem kill agre you that thi war never clh
soc.religion.christian	lost gospel finish read burton mack book lost gospel and christian origin thought total cool read and want talk randi
soc.religion.christian	jesu black jesu born jew biblic account mother ancestri and father trace back david reason assum that jesu semit interest jesu semit make white black and sens underscor point made earlier that color not import messag grace and divin that concentr final direct interest african involv church account convers ethiopian eunuch act chapter chapter thi earliest convers and eunuch treasur queen ethiopian african ethiopia that time region south egypt specul that thi man not african christian black christian god bless charl campbel
soc.religion.christian	christian that not church member articl gchin ssf eng sun write year met christian not associ local church and not member local church thi issu that person import bibl thi and can encourag friend regard thi issu thi bring interest subject that not discuss and not studi you awar post lot articl person type mbti test vehicl come speed read alt psycholog person and for person type summari file observ that peopl significantli person question thi essenti born respect church attend and particip peopl thrive thi peopl real difficulti thi prefer solitari and contempl lifestyl that energ confront excess close activ and lot peopl thi measur extrovers introvers impress that church total blind thi fact and creat environ that scare natur introvert introvert charact bibl btw quit introvert prefer and find pressur church particip meet togeth larg group etc uncomfort know church overli influenc highli extrovert peopl thrive thi sort thing btw noth wrong extrovers introvers prefer place bodi defin extrovert introvert carefulli sinc word not us correctli cultur extrovert introvert scale measur person energ excerpt summari energ person energ extrovers prefer for draw energi world peopl activ thing introvers prefer for draw energi intern world idea emot impress hopefulli thi will elicit discuss church can structur meet real peopl compris bodi christ chang peopl person fit into framework aspect church not properli understood person varianc member detriment jon nore charter member infj club you dy infj mean brave mail send info jon nore nore netcom jkn intern fred gourmet chocol carlton place phone chip world livermor mail you read alt psycholog person that action
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr geneva rutger edu marka hcx ssd csd harri mark ashlei write bibl hand can give exact chapter vers time jesu told peter that rock you hold true earth held true heaven and you don hold true won true heaven respect marriag ceremoni priest big parti requir priest coupl and wit divorc not allow anul grant approv bishop pope not pope deleg thi function tire can follow logic held true earth held true heaven that priest appar requir fact read vers correctli matthew understand that for marriag place two requir agre earth touch thing and todd mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino haven find complet precis statement need usual current edit cathol encyclopedia frustratingli vagu that priest view wit and sens not requir part purpos formal marriag avoid ambigu and not commit commun support marriag and case problem involv help make that peopl carri commit marriag public commit presenc priest requir for regular marriag not clear exactli boundari except case valid irregular temer that marriag involv cathol valid priest oxford dictionari church and impli that canon law retain thi recent and authorit sourc note that cathol priest requir for cathol cathol church recogn marriag baptiz cathol valid priest clh
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian follow moder answer charg arrog abli that will confin answer charg illog previou articl eugen bigelow ebai sun geno don belief and belief wrong don belief thi simpli belief mean unfortunatli thi christian taught come religion thi western intellectu tradit taught fundament premi not not thing true convers necessarilli fals thi basic asumpt theologi and scienc alik imposs distinguish strong and weak mean word weak sens mean not tom librari track strong sens mean that us basi thought that natur oper fundament law despit fact that natur appear caprici and unpredict christian belief strong kind christian hold belief weak kind number theolog and ecclesiolog topic extrem and that religion and you don accept teach you won save note that two separ idea hold view major not hold second matter pure logic that christan true hinduism for exampl necessarilli fals contradict incompat christaian and matter logic vice versa take quit bit arrog claim god think arrog claim think told you christian god told think and base your interpret book christian not base belief bibl live tradit church establish christ and guid constantli holi spirit bibl simpli written core that tradit logic statement faulti that assum two peopl differ belief can correct depend you mean differ tom six feet tall and you weigh pound belief differ tom six feet tall and you beleiv that foot wrong percept two peopl exactli alik two peopl perceiv that truth call god truth univers truth call you will don god present thi truth and you for and prayer medit inspir ation dream peopl perceiv thi truth differ doesn mean wrong and you that singl truth that human can find you assert that that can find absolut truth mistaken short you that not share your belief thi point wrong qed exampl question glass half empti half full you can two answer contradictori and correct for your belief true not requir belief wrong begin suspect that your real difficulti not knowabl truth simpli languag that glass half empti not contradict statement that half full fact express word point thi phrase illustr wai pessimist and optimist express fact quit true that peopl express belief word true that fail understand each word express belief and argu bitterli and that mile apart great scism occur thi and ecumen work simpli resolv differ languag conceal agreement belief thi not mean sens that belief equal valid sinc belief peopl hold contradict belief that peopl hold obfusc languag and cultur express belief strip belief that peopl hold necessarilli fals and arrog illog and you correct equival not wrong and long hold respect belief each regard error mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi
soc.religion.christian	jesu black articl apr geneva rutger edu shd andi bgsu edu sherlett dixon write peopl post thi newsgroup cowardli accus worldwid conspiraci black sinc jesu born middl east expect human featur similar middl eastern that point time and sinc camera wasn invent can guess look for exampl dinosaur bone dig don yellow polka dot purplish orang likewis don pictur jesu current imag jesu guess assum that jesu black that make you follow tech you follow teach skin color becom moot point count your life your faith jesu skin color human interest histor accuraci sinc jesu israel wouldn skin color jew fair skin heavili tan desert sun expert thi area speak not mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss articl apr atho rutger edu dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write faq and dariu respons delet dariu not clear faq paul comment esteem dai anoth rom that accept that dariu honor lord equal accept that esteem dai alik similarli honor lord sda and total agreement dariu worship saturdai honor lord your mention esteem dai alik imo fast dai observ jew matter you interpret that passag accept your worship sundai honor lord contrast fellow sda believ bibl overwhelmingli point saturdai dai honor creation and god deliver israelit egyptian bondag attempt point that observ saturdai legalist thi simpli not case keep saturdai full dai rest and contempl god good and grace clear that not unambigu proof that regular christian worship dai respons passag cite similarli cor that dai set monei for paul collect you want that gather special thi that home can disprov obviou time for congreg offer gather for worship and expect home reason mention specif dai idea introduc onc that reason paul want corinthian lai monei for collect dai week that receiv weekli wage paul want lai monei for collect prioriti spend monei thing not proof front for thi explain lai monei home meet obviou read thi that dai week simpli mean time gather for worship reason implic and not clear statement that author assum that reader knew christian worship that you assum that christian regularli worship dai assum that christian regularli worship seventh dai agre you that implic author assum reader knew worhip mark
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey robert anderson randerso acad sah uth tmc edu wrote your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey that two public announc plan marri made vow god and unswervingli commit anoth realiz thi subject qualifi marri join god sight read scriptur coupl becom marri physic marri sexual intercours end genesi quot memori for thi reason man leav parent and join wife and will becom flesh jesu quot thi scriptur refer marriag you read genesi you will come across phraseolog man lai woman and wife thi impli that wife lai togeth point intercours compar thi jewish tradit joseph heard that mari pregnant had mind divorc quietli mari and joseph betroth not marri bind relationship requir divorc marriag not occur mari and joseph bed togeth compar christ and church ephesian revel church describ bride christ marriag lamb take place jesu return bind love relationship jesu forward time marriag will place thi spiritu equival sexual intercours repres intim fellowship man and god summari engag honour bind relationship not marriag civil ceremoni not marriag marriag occur point betroth coupl bed togeth don mean demean civil church ceremoni our great don mean pedant histor correct state that civil ceremoni marriag recognis state west sinc napoleon introduc tab peopl readi correct that point thi view rais question had sex partner marriag peopl marri true that marriag occur point intercours marri ey state thi honour law nation west not illeg sleep togeth unmarri western countri that god honour proclaim marriag state and friend consumm marriag salt and light and peopl will perceiv cultur insensit declar marri civil ceremoni michael davi mcd brunel and hast thou slain jabberwock come arm beamish boi
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog respond moder articl apr atho rutger edu alvin spot colorado edu kenneth alvin write choos and reli import area person sovereignti bother suggest that matter faith specif belief not true absolut and bind follow thi that god give revel truth and come conclus intention choos wrong path thi arrog lack respect for honest conclus matter and god reason for humil abil truth path area practic clarif you mean you reject idea specif belief not true absolut and bind true true for assum that belief god histori etc agre point that matter faith tenet not logic persuas convinc truth thing for instanc person revel and fine share that revel belief and don that arrog persai accept matter pure faith truth for oneself conflict aris assum that disagr belief aris truth and that god reveal truth such that honestli agre thi can lead conclus that disagre you sin dishonest that reject truth inconveni for spurn god that thi equival assum that truth hold univers and absolut and problem thi that negat individu human and relationship god thi not mean absolut truth that area doctrin disagr area god not establish reveal that truth comment critic ken alvin ucsu colorado edu agre you clh
soc.religion.christian	easter name testament doubl stan articl apr atho rutger edu dsegard nyx edu daniel segard write that argument compel not for ishtar egg and ishtar bunni mix pagan fertil symbol worship pagan goddess fertil biblic belief lost you drop word easter and replac such occur resurrect sundai you not show for servic call resurrect sundai servic easter servic anoth view thi true celebr easter resurrect lord thi true foundat world pagan practic foreshadow true celebr resurrect dim light shone that peopl recogn full truth manifest satan counterfeit intend deceiv that not recogn truth manifest don second argument power resurrect fulfil incarn and hope earlier parallel idea religion dim imag truth resurrect paul state glass darkli serv purpos argu darker lighter glass foreshadow not perfect understnd god todai imperfect for not perfect theosi not gift such that wham perfect larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	intoler etern life etc xian netter god bless you content intro love your neighbor reaction post purpos etern life read thi new group religi for month sometim spiritu time irat kind peopl group and offens intoler hard toler such peopl oop smilei quota and second paragraph imho follow command love thy neighbor and leav judg god specif sexual orient part love sinner hate sin not appli pai attent fundaligionist love your neighbor wether you not happi flame endlessli and loos scriptur quotat contest galor defend thi point beleiv thi correct btw love sinner hate sin slipperi slope hatr bottom incred chop post won even you delet mean jayn mean dan johnson mean eric articl atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write free gift mean never quit understood god can give your life mean you exist that you purpos you care accept that thing digress find that dissatisfi purpos that can manufactur for ourselv cosmic sens even greatest great pharo long pyramid histor odditi worn wind eventu turn into dust mankind will dai perish interconnected that transcend physic god pointless end peopl live that and for purpos success monei power effect chang help suffic suppos never cosmic scale put mind comfort that realiti illus that true realiti underneath physic spirit that thi world school sort learn and grow and soul matur that purpos purpos and take pressur not make thi life success human term you learn import progress grow persist learn love and and express your love dificult honest effort reward god limit will live forev god begin diverg will not live forev don you will you your opinion matter interest theolog question feel that common percept etern life base imprison limit ego mind doubt choos imort bore two question invit discuss natur etern life can mortal lock into space time conceiv answer for can metaphor analog question metaphor
soc.religion.christian	can sin block prayer articl apr atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write mike boulder snsc unr edu mike mccormick write not honor wive can prayer hinder prayer not hinder peter interpret heard thi vers that refer sin physic abus wife husband physic stronger wife not permit us thi domin honor sister christ thi exampl specif sin that block prayer jayn kulikauska jayn mmalt guild org bit specif thi vers regard block prayer troubl think that god block access prayer sin and prai for forgivenenss can prayer life hinder sin concentr caus sin happen not think prayer prayer hinder action don can block transmiss recept prayer god shalom len howard
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart soc religion christian articl apr atho rutger edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write norri athena mit edu write for exampl univers exist thi you assum god that exist exist question revers can assum univers exist you assum god exist univers whether not find thi pascal wager and spend live search wast live meaningless and don search for wast potenti meaning live suppos univers billion year and suppos last anoth billion year suppos live that noth that small that scari search for friend earth noth aren scare you woke parti memori and discuss host not host you find parti stai recogn mortal find buddhism confucian taoism hinduism judaism zoeraster shintoism and islam fit thi bit logic quit nice depth endur valu true thi good point good point for studi religion ignor christian disagre worthwhil studi religion and philosophi and glean truth quot context test and true chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian previou articl mhsu lonestar utsa edu melinda hsu argument stop end aren kid grope for truth author declar belief fals don belief and belief wrong don belief thi simpli belief mean author for belief come for belief authorat produc author for belief will find author for belief legitimaci author short mind start major christian cathol author church and deriv author bibl accept church mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi
soc.religion.christian	rom articl readi request section richard badena book christ end law roman paulin perspect section contextu set and mean roman addit endnot sinc file long and reason will request for articl person badena insight true and quit damag tradit augustinian calvinist view ted kalivoda tedr athena uga edu univers georgia athen ucn institut higher
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu hayesstw risc unisa steve hay write for exampl peopl live volcan island and group geologist determin that volcano immin warn peopl island that danger and leav group peopl island task warn danger danger real not that mean that group necessarili arrog warn danger mean that that belief correct and fals geologist wrong and peopl warn exist danger analog can push argument side melinda and assum premis us set your respect analog true and correct conclus will aris import point note direct side come christian truth and and duti truth christian can offend not evid truth christian not thi truth and offend christian claim truth btw thi argument for not bag christian side can reconcil parti mind melinda point point argu line approach premis line discuss peopl faith person don mind believ long mine and can live peacefulli steve hay depart missiolog editori depart don low depart physic monash univers melbourn victoria australia
soc.religion.christian	accept jesu your heart told that smug post appolig felt thi not desir come across that express that didn understand logic and that wish life christ love bryan whitsel
soc.religion.christian	watt misquot heath athena uga edu terranc heath write realiz enter thi discuss late question wasn reagan appointe jame watt pentacost christian secretari interior problem deforest sinc live last dai and our last gener redwood for record februari hous repres interior committe meet rep jame weaver or ask watt whether you agre that save scenic resourc for children not gobbl onc watt answer absolut that delic balanc secretari interior steward for natur resourc for thi gener futur gener not futur gener can count lord return manag skill resourc need for futur gener sourc column rowland evan and robert novak page washington post for fridai august jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart apr atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org write gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write firstli atheist not post immatur flame start express opinion intend audienc delet anim sleep food and reproduc and die glad that not atheist tragic that peopl choos meaningless exist terribl live fear death life huh not eric mola even that feel life disagre life not meaningless precis purpos and mean choos give live live need reason free complet free pick reason that suit that freedom can almost intox closest religi experi glad atheist wouldn feel for eric and attempt share joi life consid evid infecti natur christian not explain your subject experi you convert proselyt explain effect you person experi religion you not infecti not eric paranoid that christian free human person love choos and creat will live forev god float your goat you sound happi that fairli that matter christ not kind drug drug replac for christ erh pardon strike that sentenc sound revers empti spot god shape hole heart eas pain empti spot god shape hole hear such thing lot theist never quit understand talk such empti hole wouldn don and seek doesn sound mental healthi situat walk hole oneself you eric for your post help god bless hope that you will somedai joi fill and abund life not written that origin post don intend interpret such reread carefulli somewhat doubt that not get across your mileag vari disclaim great young and insan
soc.religion.christian	hebrew grammar text choos english german tire hors slightli twist want good english languag text for learn ancient hebrew and compar german educ text qualitywis idea can figur bui for studi wait back find interest studi theologi germani fact that student ancient languag learn earli not theologi student spend lot time such folk career two year greek and latin and hebrew possibl arama divin school seminari state lot languag instruct don basi for comparison regard phil philip sell hard for lord hobb kzoo edu gen for wors don tradit classic educ gener seminari believ student greek teach common for seminari requir semest each hebrew and greek requir for scholarship clh
soc.religion.christian	trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write norri athena mit edu write stuff delet fortun for conveni believ class question that can never reduc natur scienc for exampl univers exist thi you assum god that exist exist question revers can assum univers exist you assum god exist univers remaind messag delet pardon for repli portion your messag reason can god exist and can univers exist univers natur realm and subject natur law gener and law and effect that observ natur that effect and effect produc exist natur realm effect cannot supernatur god hand supernatur and not subject such natur law law and effect supernatur god etern exist not impli previou exist physic natur cosmo supernatur valid basi for accept exist uncaus phenomena such etern god deni exist supernatur face dilemma physic univers natur show that not suffici explain exist thi oversimplif complex topic want clarifi import differ supernatur god and natur univers sinc you mistak interchang mark
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu gsu uxa ecn bgu edu eric mola write anim sleep food and reproduc and die agre sleep etc disagre anim that statement categor neg polkadot eleph true omnisci for rob steel come understand mit lincoln laboratori reject fact wood for favour fact lexington lewi
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write buddhism confucian taoism hinduism judaism zoeraster shintoism and islam fit thi bit logic quit nice depth endur valu true yep truth religion even scienc christian doesn claim claim thing true that contradict religion truth claim can true rob steel come understand mit lincoln laboratori reject fact wood for favour fact lexington lewi
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey lewi that wed princip that marri each church and state present wit rob steel come understand mit lincoln laboratori reject fact wood for favour fact lexington lewi thi not lewi summari standard cathol theologi thi doesn mean that presenc wit option odd situat standard desert island clh
soc.religion.christian	question christian bach udel edu steven hoskin write realiz ignor bibl and quit possibl christian hold true thi rectifi read bibl help read good interpret commentari bibl relev aspect christian faith question can recommend good read list theolog work intend for lai person won even recommend book congreg you sound attract danger christian you don want contamin peopl interpret steep your scriptur and discuss christian read your rememb that peopl write interpret god promis give you light for anoth question not affili congreg matter tast criteria us choos church don differ protest denomin don wait long attach church rememb compar teach you scriptur berean dariu
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri listown thi anderson privat post you gener interest copi wrote for anoth list you find relev listmemb ask make common law marriag wrong common law marriag not necessarili wrong noth bibl testament get marri preacher priest jewish christian and fact jewish priest never had connect wed common notion that marriag perform clergyman fact tradit christian view west that bride and groom minist marriag and that clergyman wit essenti ingredi marriag mutual commit two person consid marri and bound mutual promis live togeth husband and wife forsak till death part reason reason concern marri insist kind public ceremoni order that societi and coupl clear whether commit made suppos that public ceremoni standard vow etc man and woman settl live togeth year man woman hei honei great last time move you talk leav you and for prettier and younger you can marri you talk never marri rememb distinctli you night made love you love for you deep ocean etern star long live utterli and complet lie deathb last feebl breath will utter your name that that rhetor poetri man romant mood bound kind silli thing that you mustn liter and that you insist formal ceremoni that matter public record church insist duti thing give moral advic and you cannot give man moral advic relat woman you idea marri and vice versa state insist sinc state concern properti right child care and support and made commit prospect father law insist don want daughter seduc and abandon prospect spous insist want make whether hear real commit poetri and person make vow insist make formal and publicli order that clear mind that and that thi not rhetor thi real thing insist formal public explicit avow marriag commit church and insist that christian marri clergyman present wed and record vow behalf church not imposs valid wed clergyman order make that coupl understand christian teach marriag and that fact promis marri christian sens church prefer standard marriag vow and wari let coupl write vow for reason that lawyer prefer standard terminolog draw will contract languag repeatedli us will and can court will interpret thing your word and you find that probat judg interpret not you intend similarli church prefer avoid endless debat whether you main squeez and for long haul fact cover territori forsak and till death part thi topic come list topic that hasn listmemb ask coupl love each and live togeth isn that marriag ey god eventu ask that case statu break that moral equival get divorc relationship that god forbid walk origin question good grief never thought that fact reason ground for suspect that don piec paper ceremoni front judg preacher order show that love each wai advantag marriag option chang mind minimum bother thi point thi appli and mate quit clear fact that assum lifelong commit for wors forsak till death part case ceremoni need thi repli reason for requir driver licens danger driver road wrong not exist unlicens driver exist danger driver test and licens driver obviou and reason mean pursu goal reduc number danger driver road state rightli make and enforc such law and you citizen posit moral oblig refrain drive licens matter hotshot wheel you you back origin question listmemb coupl live togeth for year ask point stop fornic and start marri answer point and explicitli accept oblig faith each for wors long live accept such oblig reason for not will declar front justic peac jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	book review want interest can point review book scholarli christian journal whether conserv liber protest cathol lost year jesu documentari evid for jesu year journei east elizabeth clare prophet supposedli thi theori that refut past and examin thought thi anoth book list text for class religi studi endors come credibl sourc wonder scholar review net for that matter rob butera ec grad student sick music make monei todai rice univers houston nietzsch
soc.religion.christian	rise frank your mail earli histor refer christian respond lost your address mail scott oser
soc.religion.christian	bibl unsuit for christian christian wrote that faith and learn read bibl not thi path follow bibl for christian word god revel god jesu christ and chief legaci thi reval church not recommend denommin recommend find comfort christian congreg develop your faith read bibl thi not mean that bibl not read stick gospel epistl and psalm and avoid book revel altogeth you friend you comfort that mistakenli fervent project read entir bibl frequent bog remark lack fervour middl leviticu for sturdi chronicl point that bibl illustr faith christian not provid total that faith vital belief virtual christian simpli not mention triniti dualiti natur christ type church organ belief and practic develop live experi christian peopl experi live hope spirit such bibl studi context congreg and context read suggest confessor mine even suggest that good good reflect christian life novel profund discuss natur good and evil human heart induct into christian faith brought grace read graham green power and glori and poetri gerard manlei hopkin recommend graham green monsignor quixot and iri murdoch last not even christian such insist for good life that frankli uplift and god direct read read part bibl and that christian let your soul and your life direct infinit repres person jesu christ paul halsal halsal murrai fordham edu
soc.religion.christian	natur god environment and pagan previou articl mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington articl apr atho rutger edu heath athena uga edu terranc heath write that not necessarili unorthodox christian call god father metaphor bibl place refer god mother god father mother liter sens god attribut father metaphor us for peopl time mislead two possibl don passag you refer passag cite exampl mother imag god isaiah can woman forget suck child that compass son womb even forget will not forget you thi passag not mother imag god mother imag human constanc can show and contrast constanc god mother figur repres mankind not god mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi luke jerusalem jerusalem kill prophet and stone you gather your children togeth hen gather brood wing and you not clh
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism larri overack write respond simon interest select post net understand that sspx not schism legitim excommun that besid point roman cathol church excommun can real apart formal excommun provid for canon law theologi involv for interest confus thi issu sspx schism basic problem lack abil distinguish true obedi fals obedi disobedi schism classif obedi import element involv for purpos command respons made command command command can legitim such pope order cathol not eat meat fridai can illegitim such pope order cathol worship god dagon full moon come respons command can refus command compli make tabl possibilit command respons name legitim compli true obedi illegitim refus true obedi legitim refus disobedi illegitim compli fals obedi you classif obedi come obedi not sole matter complianc refus natur command into account not complianc refus and whether obedi disobedi you into consider whether command good bad exampl pope command cathol worship god dagon and refus aren disobedi societi saint piu refus compli thing pope desir that alon insuffici label disobedi you natur papal desir and rub sspx pope sinc vatican command bad thing for church pope disagre anoth arian heresi complet weak pope sspx priest modern martin luther answer that examin and tradit teach church problem that cathol idea and issu religion american cathol defect intellectu depth you will never read issu discuss cathol press thi countri hand italian cathol magazin dai had interview superior gener societi saint piu cathol will decid side pope sound thi papaci infal eventu pope will straighten thi hand unsound thi that short term pope wrong and such cathol noth situat obei wrong fact situat grave sin obei wast great opportun fail love christ heroic time that thi badli schism move schism schism superset disobedi refus obei legitim command schismat disobedi superset doesn work not disobey schismat mere fact that sspx priest don compli holi father desir doesn make schismat that ad disobedi constitut schism thi make sspx priest schismat you add thi reject command decent refer cathol theologi and that you find distinguish criterion schism reject command cathol encyclopedia for exampl not disobedi schism order possess thi charact includ trangress command superior denial divin command articl schism societi saint piu schismat answer clear that pope boss prai for dai and that that matter schism thi boil thi leav consider exact natur object posit legitim cathol theologi obedi and schism resist papal polici that contrari tradit teach papaci and interest church fact find thi situat duti resist stanc rome thi you read holi father motu proprio ecclesia dei you can find definit document subject motu proprio specif papal act not product roman congreg letter that pope possibl never even read pope boss god complain thi document holi father thing episcop consecr perform archbishop lefebvr constitut schismat act archbishop lefebvr problem misunderstand natur tradtion confus fail logic pope point episcop consecr read interest articl translat italian magazin get back question jurisdict episcop consecr impli reject pope jurisdict constitut schismat act justifi excommun current code canon law problem thi thi tradit theologi holi order episcop consecr not confer jurisdict confer power order abil confect sacrament jurisdict confer power confer such pope societi bishop know tradit theologi quit great pain avoid pretenc jurisdict simpli confer sacrament that requir bishop articl interest that posit that reason that pope that post vatican idea holi order thi idea episcop consecr confer jurisdict lent articl friend can you quot code canon law support thi idea pope think thi point remain great puzzl schism tradit cathol theologi pope thi point natur tradit passag question root thi schismat act can discern incomplet and contradictori notion tradtion incomplet not suffici into account live charact tradit second vatican council taught come apostl and progress church holi spirit growth insight into realiti and word that pass thi come wai come contempl and studi believ ponder thing heart come intim sens spiritu realiti experi and come preach receiv success espiscop charism truth contradictori notion tradit oppos univers magisterium church possess bishop rome and bodi bishop imposs remain faith tradit break ecclesi bond person apostl peter christ entrust ministri uniti church papal motu proprio ecclesia dei juli that holi father make two point that can simplifi vatican council happen pope argument that case suffici prove that archbishop lefebvr wrong disagre thi weak help clarifi thing pope had address archbishop lefebvr concern detail john paul stand social kingship christ taught gregori xvi piu leo xiii piu and piu xii for exampl suppos ignor pope subject don futur will hold power that sspx talk rome and straighten thing peopl prefer call justifi refus obei justifi disobedi even obei god man call refus obei obedi put into sort alic wonderland world word mean want mean similarli schism formal break church pope that schism exist that definit exist that pope wrong side break that good reason for break exist and that will shortli heal can deni that fact exist that you grave danger destroi thing you reform power papaci good will you you becom reconcil pope futur process you destroi abil us tool church disciplin thing hold that pope misus power and excommun wrongli that excommun not effect and schism imagin that mean that act church disciplin not legal tool act valid open debat gener liber cathol had problem pope object church sanction gener admit that sanction exist you open door peopl simpli ignor papal decis claim obei disobei and communion excommun thi precis denial divin command that you defin schism clh
soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi tim rolf write activ particip you latin beauti hear passion chant deacon narrat chant middl bariton rang jesu chant bass and directli quot handl high tenor heard gregorian chant passion good fridai thi liturgi lord sad resign die for poor piti creatur kill chant quit beauti
soc.religion.christian	anger paul conditt write case you couldn extrem angri and upset thing thi ration fear and phobia reach peopl aid and social unaccept diseas whether diseas action not irrelev jesu aaron bryce cardena write issu you bring your anger obviou wrong angri gal for reason extrem angri par hatr jesu reason angri for put cross sin prayer forgiv father not don obviou not speak act flesh speak emot emot not moral immor good bad emot step not label emot good bad numb ourselv that hide true feel accept ourselv god accept that paul anger accept and channel plea refrain pass judgement afflict diseas and reach give call argument foolish belittl quarrel avoid action fear give bad feel not forgiv aaron don quick judg forgiven aid dealt and respons for feel and made choic for action such feel not anger joe moor
soc.religion.christian	onlin bibl bibl studi apr atho rutger edu eng nusunix nu ling siew wee write embark bibl studi act onlin bibl softwar background author topic articl and author peopl testament realibl articl onlin bibl softwar specif for your conveni want darbi translat never heard thi darbi founder plymouth brethren and earli support dispensation bruce highli approv translat translat bibl into languag young liter translat never heard thi fellow young concord standard refer work similar strong concord realiabl hebrew greek lexicon that follow standard refer work author denomin etc articl topic modul larri pierc brethren baptist and that thompson chain refer fame presbyterian realiabl treasuri scriptur knowleg never heard anoth standard refer work that for decad version releas and christian book distribut comment scofield and johnson wrote scofield refer bibl and peopl testament scofield creator scofield refer bibl for peopl not thi studi bibl note strongli dispens realiabl strong number accur strong number shawn abigail abigail ramsei laurentian
soc.religion.christian	sda doctrin distinct healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write articl mar atho rutger edu jodfish silver uc indiana edu joseph dale fisher write book provid sda entitl seventh dai adventist church believ that book call basic fundament belief close that number not copi home school book call seventh dai adventist and basica belief print reveiew and herald publish associ competit law jungl cooper law civil eldridg cleaver sherman cox scox uahc uah edu
soc.religion.christian	rebuild templ tcsteven iaserv ingr todd steven write chuck petch write appear that noth stand rebuild and resum sacrific scriptur will happen last dai isra govern will give permiss start hand god hold project readi happen brother and sister time hand redempt draw scriptur levit priesthood resum jew can legitim prove levit bloodlin not mistaken jewish famili name cohen kahn etc consid legitim indic descent aaron famili name levi leven etc consid legitim indic descent levi main legal issu purif priesthood suppos involv find ash red heifer last us for thi purpos year ago steven stoval stoval exet ucla edu
soc.religion.christian	tuff christian bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write don peopl understand christian not lot church life and total sacrafic for god sake love die and save typic statement irrat and brainwash person bibl written male chavnist thousand year ago holi book follow part that you suitabl for modern life ignor for heaven sake don liter hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever you easi muslim buddhist buddha command yr older christ and opinion tougher follow buddha that intrins good christ sinner ourselv distract medit can awaken ourselv etc etc concept god buddhism opinion you can atheist and buddhist awaken easi task can you stai eat meat can you sit and noth medit for everydai buddhist suppos can you prai time dai can you fast for month year ramzan you will give your incom tith muslim fact jesu ordinari man buddha and moham philosopi ahead time live fact that christian young religion compar hindiusm judaism zoraster buddihsm probabl that bibl collect borrow idea good deal trade eastern land and middl east time christ and perhap leav crap woman creat man helper etc ara weight lift guitar plai drum take time don rush dai christian your life not church onc week help poor peopl onc box into time unit such work thi time sport social life god box and turn thi pat robertson and brain washer boi act put number turn your pledg god aliv and insid box carri into box that creat for ourselv part question you becom christian you had not indoctrin your parent you never learn religion make compar studi and claim you brain wash
soc.religion.christian	lewi ancient book articl apr atho rutger edu mayn scri fsu edu bill mayn wrote last sentenc iron sinc reader soc religion christian not embarrass apologist such josh mcdowel and lewi express odd sens histori make you mass aquina dai illiter knew rhetor and logic peopl todai write period elev that cream crop speak read and write mediev period knew rule matter uncrit accept told bill mayn thi unfair lewi promin fallaci attribut liar lunat and lord quot christian thi logic fallaci origin context not clh exactli lewi coupl pretti sever hit thi group accus righteou and unconvinc told that christian embarrass josh mcdowel comment never read work think that lewi righteou read introduct problem pain theodici explain that want publish book anonym believ argument present not want presum brave face suffer not want peopl that present kind model fortitud that consid great coward ofm adequ handl question whether embarrass lewi liar lunat lord argument part bigger discours add that embarrass lewi state continu amaz sound and clariti argument present phil hei talk phone compani phone compani doesn opinion thi kind stuff thi
soc.religion.christian	doctrin god thi post gener outlin for your person studi thi doctrin doctrin god person godhead doctrin scriptur thi import bibl pre emin revel god object studi bibl god that bibl teach that person godhead triniti god father god son lord jesu christ and god holi spirit that individu person natur mean that ident natur each possess divin attribut equal worthi worship trust and obedi matt cor john attribut characterist godhead god natur reveal name for jehovah live god etern and unchang begin and end isa god spirit john god love john such graciou merci good faith patient and full lovingkind psa psa nahum god holi and righteou absolut sin natur and incap sin word action isa god omnipres present time complet person omnisci know know thing end begin infinit wise omnipot almighti sovereign unlimit power creation god infinit presenc wisdom and power convict that work lord dai becom man center and that peopl church god that lord work god center and that peopl god understand that god sovereign thing affair nation live peopl and carri purpos salvat iii work godhead creation person godhead activ creat and activ sustain creation and order human affair for nation individu peopl end time gen john col heb salvat order understand salvat that absolut begin god not man person godhead and activ salvat god father salvat origin god member godhead determin etern past that salvat condit peopl and save and even save elect salvat recogn scriptur work god father eph thess christ son god lord jesu christ birth virgin mari earth accomplish two import work final and complet revel god father col heb provid salvat for father had chosen thi death cross bodili resurrect and present intercessori work heaven work salvat will complet for lord return rom cor heb john holi spirit author scriptur theme christ and redempt work holi spirit carri redempt plan god wai convict sin john regener bibl birth john indwel each believ fulfil work sanctif john seal believ christ make salvat secur eph baptiz believ into bodi christ cor teach believ truth scriptur john bestow spiritu gift peopl god for ministri cor restrain sin gal empow for live and for servic act lian brown internet brownli ohsu edu portland oregon
soc.religion.christian	question exactli lord god jesu christ john nkjv green gideon forc dai begin word and word god and word god word refer jesu christ thi john declar that god and jesu lord refer david psalm refer god heaven and come messiah lord onc thi refer god and jesu definit religi person not swear curs thi bibl religi peopl not christian and greatest christian irreligi answer your question bibl speak thi place previou post jame good anoth psalm lord abid your tabernacl dwell your holi hill walk uprightli and work righteous and speak truth heart not backbit tongu evil neighbor reproach friend ey vile person despis honor fear lord swear hurt and not chang not put monei usuri bribe aginst innoc thing never move rob coffei safest road coffei cptc neep wisc edu hell gradual you send mail cptc gentl slope soft underfoot never read sudden turn mileston signpost screwtap dai techwood meet wreck ball world rejoic lost home
soc.religion.christian	messiah miss post waco david koresh and second come second come real thing person claim insan not that david koresh second come christ break word second come koresh promis that come compound allow give radio broadcast didn that fool peopl and meagr knowledg bibl that christian hard jew christ dai for cautiou accept that religi author didn accept messiah surpris that had discuss difficulti want earli recogn second come time not want credul believ claim god mark and you christ not mark fals christ and fals prophet will aris and show sign and wonder lead astrai elect mark heed told you thing mark dai that tribul sun will darken and moon will not give light mark and star will fall heaven and power heaven will shaken mark and will son man come cloud great power and glori understand jesu answer that unlik come veil second come will quit unmistak tell not misl thing that happen second come actual second come will make power openli visibl koresh public statement not clear that claim christ clh
soc.religion.christian	agnost question pardon thi wrong newsgroup describ agnost singl univers suprem and will sure judg whether live good live strive achiev that good that power each complic that friend becom fundamentalist that issu feel respons proselyt guess faith thi great strain friendship problem subject didn come discuss quickli begin offend offend call into question bedrock belief offend feel subscript superstit ration such circular argument bibl god word tell bibl that question can convinc that thi subject left undiscuss can preserv area religi belief great friendship convinc that save won for advic jim tomlinson fall snow bogart project jdt voodoo boe excel snow boe comput servic uunet bcstec voodoo jdt anderson gabriel
soc.religion.christian	phone number wycliff translat concern recent post wbt sil thought pretti denounc wing organ involv ideolog manipul and cultur interfer includ vietnam and south america commiss mexican academia denounc covert polit and ideolog institut us govt instrument control regul penetr espionag and repress concern that thi group accept and even praiseworthi reader soc religion christian import that christian don immedi accept christian organ automat reproach
soc.religion.christian	esoteric compil bibliographi religi perspect esoteric hermetic gnostic mystic occult alchemi and magic and interest sourc that found interest and insight interest mediev work such chemic wed christian rosenkreutz and arthurian legend feel free send person opinion pro con anywher stephen twelker twelker id
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog earlier articl explain that peopl find arrog christian that christian profess absolut certianti belief and doctrin that christian insist that cannot made mistak discov belief amount that infal impicitli claim infal pretti arrog will agre short problem that matter good your sourc part your doctrin belief rest your think and reason doctrin suspect long your brain involv possibl for error summaris problem write loop call rexlex claim that loop not bother explain prefer paraphras sartr rambl wittgenstein and that conclus argument lead relativ explain you cannot reject argument fals you dislik lead fact not chang you dislik rexlex wrote disagre nanci sweeti conclus fruition lead relativ lead dispair year philosophi student can explain rexlex written not constitut refut that not wrote noth disput two sentenc rexlex post that relev point hand such thing true truth and real can experienc and verifi not disput that truth can verifi experi for exampl direct experi ad number don claim infal fact rememb sum incorrectli claim that direct experi reason number onc past experienc thing and start reason shakier ground that point earlier articl human brain infest sin and can trust limit circumst god revel that can absolut thing that you onc god revel stop and your reason begin possibl for error appear for exampl suppos that modern bibl translat includ perfect render jesu word last supper and that jesu exactli thi bodi presum that total error and absolut true can not moment stop speak and peopl start interpret possibl error appear mean that liter not not record that elabor word think tran con substati didn interpret thi passag brain and reason and draw conclus that brain not perfect think lead wrong thi that direct experi that reason fallibl can lead perfect conclus assumpt thi exampl can that jesu thi bodi that onc start make doctrin and brain reason christ reveal into troubl you infal thing you can extent that doctrin reli fallibl human think cannot that problem arrog christian that human be make mistak sure not infal christian speak reason can never lead astrai implicitli claim that infal christian rare that implicit claim wit work person you talk believ that you foolish recognis your limit intention cover thing and thing confid for exampl that sin for recognis sin directli experi thing whether base reason scriptur extra biblic think not labl infal that confid and readi explain reason awar infal speak act think flawless ridicul rexlex suggest that peopl read and not silent franci schaeffer didn highli that schaeffer grossli overr evangel christian don opinion stop you read interest opinion suggest certainti ludwig wittgenstein darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu substanti number talk religion misc reader read wittgenstein post disappear understood wittgenstein disappear michael siemon
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss argument sabbath make point pretti clear cathol orthodox oranglican monophysit church ourght worship saturdai sola scriptura law put into effect church and chruch recogn power chruch andi byler you will note that noth faq church establish chang law argument sabbath that part ceremoni law and rest ceremoni law not bind christian thi argument base paul letter act and gener sens jesu teach peopl argu that scriptur show worship occur sundai and paul endors understand that point disput and not want disput time point make not that argument that back claim scriptur accept principl sola scriptura not commit obei entir jewish law act and paul letter quit clear that even sda accept disagr bibl place line protest give author church matter that not dictat god that church free determin liturgi church politi etc you accept that sabbath not bind christian dai worship fall into categori item individu christian sinc worship natur group activ church free decid clh
soc.religion.christian	think heaven jame sledd ask natur etern life can mortal lock into space time conceiv can metaphor analog metaphor lewi essai weight glori deal thi question recommend enthusiast you read chapter heaven book problem pain fiction treatment book great divorc found help you help treatment dant divin comedi heaven occupi last poem cannot imagin read begin urg you us translat dorothi sayer penguin paperback jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	qualiti cathol liturgi appreci follow up and repli earlier queri repli lost suggest parish york that good mass corpu christi downtown manhattan coincid last week america nation jesuit magazin carri interview myle bourk corpu christi pastor emeritu bourk direct translat american bibl note practic introduc into mass such manner that atmospher banal and sometim hilar trivial liturgi note that parent parish easter helium fill balloon distribut offertori appar aid understand word risen thi not kiddi mass attend mass want note gener spirit repli thi newsgroup offer gener moder perhap moder convers topic that lead peopl extrem behavior includ sometim peopl top remark thing that except benefit doubt gener grant christian john murrai
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr geneva rutger edu parkin eng sun write desper want jewish peopl accept messiah crucif will god jesu prai that thi cup pass thi weak never men and women live for countri nobl jesu not knew crucif not will god god will that jewish peopl accept jesu messiah and that kingdom heaven establish earth jesu head jewish peopl expect thi had happen year ago can you imagin you assum that jesu plea father thi cup pass plea escap death jesu garden man god life had had presens father result knew detail death long agoni garden that hour approach felt abandon father presens diminish each pass minut addit brought and jesu attent betray juda big impact that suffer avail for peopl reject not futur that major jesu suffer mental and spiritu physic portion tip iceburg btw john account that jesu shun becom earthli king john joh peopl miracul sign that jesu began sure thi prophet come into world joh jesu know that intend come and make king forc withdrew mountain thi not man regret not earthli king jesu knew mission redeem jew gentil peopl and establish kingdom heart thi utterli mistaken jesu dismai aspir earthli kingdom knew father will and obedi even dark passion john ata technic consult internet ata hfsi hf inc uunet hfsi ata westpark drive voic mclean fax
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath articl apr geneva rutger edu jprzybyl skidmor edu jennif przybylinski write hei wrong wasn jeff fenholt part black sabbath major brother christ total chang life and and wife tour sing wit and spread gospel for christ wrong black sabbath similar band wasn that group jeff fenholt claim onc roadi for black sabbath never musician band loui month back poster christian bookstor frequent turn address homosexu prostitut drug addict alcohol and headbang that show long hair and black leather jacket felt pre judg orthodox christian and headbang slightli insult lump togeth drug addict and alcohol suppos sinc drink good german beer and that make alcohol not steven salari lot danger live crew salari carc wustl edu and stupid us foul languag idea philosophi geoff tate queensrych
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soc.religion.christian	sspx schism articl apr geneva rutger edu shellgat llo psi larri overack write you echo that question not contenti assum that pope univers jurisdict and author author you reli for your decis prevent choos doctrin and that papal disagr error that will resolv time thi true sinc council bishop basic stood pope ultim question tradit theologi church thi thing that resist pope for departur tradit doctrin church command author conflict tradit command disobei view thi that thi conflict happen major god never hair split situat develop complex for peopl figur don view present situat church extrem complic run list happen last year cathol church and imparti observ will aghast appear that li heart thi matter disagr tradit and tradit and author and disciplin problem stem gener widespread ignor cathol faith opinion cathol zilch cathol faith thi leav wide open for destruct er bishop basic reform part not even question mind that respect shard cathol church trampl cathol hierarchi list shock thing for hour situat campo brazil for exampl read book happen vatican council bishop antonio castro mayer never introduc that wake vatican tradit mass catech etc made peopl knew faith cathol theologi obedi modern etc innocul peopl come dai order rome for retir pope sick bishop castro mayer wait pope recov inquir whether thi command pope want that liber had command absenc pope confirm decis good bishop retir injustic that complet incred bishop instal proceed expel bishop castro mayer clergi church refus celebr mass bishop visit parish and celebr mass peopl promptli walk church mass bishop enrag thi resort enlist secular author eject priest church priest start build church peopl complet parish had mass bishop desir and virtual parishion prime motiv for thi complet illeg canon law priest can penal for tradit mass legisl enact pope saint piu oblig mass thi process peopl campo not privat individu includ civil author constantli send petit and letter rome modernist bishop noth arriv rome eventu priest kick and peopl question support sspx thi that your posit respect church reform chang and conform pope assum that pope posit not chang and that leader sspx don jointli make such choic not thi appear claim infal teach author adopt view that not wrong can wrong and chang mind you chang that left cathol church left pope defin thing cathedra that end controversi that process understood cathol theologi and doesn instant cathol problem that peopl not cathol world knew faith and bishop shock sould argu second come real tradit teach church thi simpl matter east and west not separ for year thi isn case cathol church massiv bodi tradit teach pope last year relev question tradit doctrin thought that teach magisterieum church not error teach faith and moral even short term wrong not roman cathol that heresi great job sinc reform last year error spread that piti infal rest pope and church short term pope larg section church can astrai fact that happen major heresi larg section church astrai pope histor reliabl will come back long run effect pope make cathedra statement sspx situat honor not you formal doctrin infal not content understand sinc orthodox real vest interest outcom honor infal infal defin that mass express cathol faith that sex educ cathol school wonder that religion wonder for that profess pope prior vatican command legitim sspx not view pope command legitim thi slipperi slope not start studi major cathol theologian last year spell west excel critic thought rememb that cathol theologian busi for centuri
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr geneva rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write articl apr atho rutger edu randerso acad sah uth tmc edu robert anderson write your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey not unwil public marriag ceremoni will not distinguish real logist problem strand desert island excus such wait for and brother come back armi can ceremoni disagre peopl marri each commit fulli each life partner marri ceremoni assist emphas depth such commit noth god heart two commit fear and delus that fulli give ourselv anoth you live togeth marriag for and year knew marriag exist god don god scorebook joe moor
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog darren nanci sweeti kilroi gboro rowan edu write darren earlier articl explain that peopl find darren arrog christian that christian profess darren absolut certainti belief and doctrin and darren short problem that matter good your sourc darren part your doctrin belief rest your darren think and reason doctrin suspect point that darren rais lutheran viewpoint reason gift god infect sin not reject reason and darren reason darren point comprehend god revel bibl reason alon not suffici comprehend and word and foremost faith for sin mind hostil god not submit god law can roman luther accept scriptur sole mean revel sola scriptura accept necess us reason faith comprehend that revel luther baptism mad reason rush and baptism not dazzl work regard worthless larg catech fourth part baptism make matter complic luther sort theologian that peopl describ absolutist describ prison theologian conclud observ that luther inconsist mad and sure come that conclus recal that jesu call mad and peter felt compel defend and apostl charg drunken pentecost christian care reject luther mad imit berean examin scriptur dai paul true act basi for confid luther peter paul and preach gospel not reason faith and holi spirit thi not faith divorc reason faith that guid inform and reason spirit enabl truth and proclaim boldli god not want preach messag that that jesu risen dead that redeem live job christian not side pilat truth follow christ fact for thi reason born and for thi into world testifi truth side truth listen john can truth god promis that can truth jesu you hold teach you discipl you will truth and truth will set you free john proverb urg bui truth and not sell psalmist prai not snatch word truth mouth evid believ that word truth fact mouth arrog claim truth motiv glorif present truth teach scriptur reveal spirit and not invent and stand readi prove wrong basi scriptur luther not arrog humbl humbl trust god promis truth trust promis forgiv rexlex god revel that can rexlex absolut thing darren that you onc god revel stop darren and your reason begin possibl for error appear agre that make distinct clear teach scriptur and product reason even such reason base scriptur draw line distinct and academ you darren for exampl suppos that modern bibl translat darren includ perfect render jesu word last supper darren and that jesu exactli thi bodi darren presum that total error and darren absolut true can not darren moment stop speak and peopl start darren interpret possibl error appear mean darren that liter not not record that darren elabor word think tran con darren substanti didn darren almost point make lutheran statement lord supper lutheran approach that jesu thi bodi that interpret reject simpli not taught scriptur recal that jesu word not stand alon thi subject paul word corinthian pass receiv lord for whenev you eat thi bread and drink thi cup you proclaim lord death come word that bread that eat lord supper bread lord bodi sens fact thi prove that tran substanti fals suppos that paul spoke metaphor lord bodi bread simpli that bodi appear eat thi thought found scriptur reject primari reason for reject tran substanti not that can prove fals that simpli not found scriptur side remark told that lutheran doctrin real presenc con substanti lutheran told thi tend not us word almost that thi us professor compar religion label compar cathol lutheran and reform teach lord supper almost church call teach real presenc that tradit teach church end side remark darren christian speak reason darren can never lead astrai implicitli claim that darren infal christian rare darren that implicit claim wit work darren person you talk believ that you darren foolish recognis your limit intention darren cover thi precis christian not reli ration wit approach show you scriptur you decid for whether not darren rexlex suggest that peopl read and not darren silent franci schaeffer didn highli darren that schaeffer grossli overr darren evangel christian darren don opinion stop you read darren interest opinion suggest darren certainti ludwig wittgenstein long trade refer suggest siegbert becker paperback foolish god place reason lutheran theologi publish northwestern publish hous thi book base becker doctor thesi univers chicago david wagner not power confession lutheran spirit lord almighti zechariah
soc.religion.christian	question jesu alon on articl apr geneva rutger edu bjorn larsen delab sintef write can basic reason for hold belief that jesu and vice versa foundat for triniti bjorn love jesu propon answer question thi father jesu refer call son prai father and not emphas that father will and not will kind exampl that follow return father thi order that comfort holi spirit come that claim that come holi spirit such bless that worth leav and return father can that mean holi spirit doesn christian prayer begin saviour art heaven father answer question that even plausibl entertain queri left exercis reader drt david tucker drt athena mit edu misunderstand term jesu origin context baptism folk that baptism formula mention jesu father son and holi spirit thi doctrin implic not mean that folk deni exist divin father not describ thi theologi and fact includ classic call monophysit arian two view belief that consist trinitarian standard won us trinitarian languag misunderstand simpli not biblic clh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers for lord will descend heaven shout voic archangel and trumpet god and dead christ will rise aliv and remain will caught togeth meet lord air and lord thessalonian
soc.religion.christian	god shape hole accept jeesu your heart articl apr geneva rutger edu fraseraj dc glasgow andrew fraser write peopl involv figur us phrase god shape hole clh god shape vacuum that effect gener attribut blais pascal thi anoth express basic truth thing creat and for emphasi mine col rev you and creat for god natur will vacuum god not and fact chapter collosian bring thi statu christ that preemin you life allign and you will vacuum fill marc chamberland mchamberland violet uwaterloo
soc.religion.christian	radio free thulcandra dungeon dragon author view recent discuss dungeon and dragon and role plai game sinc lot crossov gamer and scienc fiction and fantasi fan will mention that editor and publish radio free thulcanra christian orient scienc fiction fanzin not christian magazin special interest scienc fiction scienc fiction fanzin special interest christian game not major topic discuss come letter argument whether satan peopl not like read rft work april issu will send sampl copi reader soc religion christian request print paper request includ snail mail address marti helgesen bitnet mnhcc cunyvm internet mnhcc cunyvm cuni edu such thing hypothet situat
soc.religion.christian	messiah jesu isn god jesu return peopl miss version bibl you read mike jesu god incarn flesh jesu and father jesu heaven dai post resurrect stint and angel assur apostl that jesu return and that will come that jesu warn that come claim that jesu return two larg part faith and you hit nerv sheila patterson cit technic support cornel univers ithaca
soc.religion.christian	revel babylon articl apr geneva rutger edu jbuddenberg vax cn muskingum edu jimmi buddenberg write bibl studi colleg revel pretti good get sort reason interpret chapter and talk woman beast and fall babylon beast antichrist differ obviou and woman repres babylon stand for rome roman cathol church view thi interpret fall babylon chapter babylon chapter cathol church hate step toe interest interpret revel and evangelist david wilkerson not that total agre interpret believ and good food for thought interpret babylon revel good that america support claim wai babylon revel world leader trade and commerc and world wept babylon fell american dollar despit japanes success centuri sought currenc world destroi wouldn world mourn bibl talk babylon home harlot sin and adulteri paraphras babylon sin affect infect world doesn that state moral decai hasn american cultur and hollywood spread feel good mental world that wilkerson strongest argument fact that revel call babylon babylon great and portrai power nation earth matter dissatisfi you state countri don you troubl agre that power nation earth thi interpret not necessarili find worthi consider jeffrei
soc.religion.christian	afterlif anoth die releas arc time and comprehend live toto visit each moment time sequenti onc not alter action thought feel had will thi life that perspect posit that will direct knowledg god and recogn each moment time wether that experi live life god will etern torment that live life grace will etern joi that resurrect bodi come not physic reconstitut present form knowledg present form fulli cogniz soul restrict for time present form you opt for immort jame sledd dimens listen for voic god
soc.religion.christian	helphelp part back each and person respons posit neg read letter and thought each sort respons marri noth read bibl and lot prayer decid letter todai told that move home anoth state that you told that find store plan built wouldn marraig comment not gonna call propos don total joke not that marri transfer and talk hopefulli interpret needless lot prai thi lot read marraig bibl dead get marri wouldn simpli not thi point christian wouldn work god marraig figur that god wanr thi touch for year can handl god happen will happen will june meetinf rel and letter befo forward guess can wait and prai decid not folk total that that wrote thi situat your prayer final wrote you for will thi email address for week anyht you want curiou folk chri
soc.religion.christian	agnost question articl apr geneva rutger edu jdt voodoo boe jim tomlinson jimt write pardon thi wrong newsgroup describ agnost singl univers suprem and will sure judg whether live good live strive achiev that good that power each complic that friend becom fundamentalist that issu feel respons proselyt guess faith thi great strain friendship disappoint you afraid your friendship danger perhap you examin such good friend you unwil accept thi imort part your friend life you call into question faith your friend chang found that fill life you decid you friend whether you can accommod life sound you critic for fundament belief bibl you quick reveal that your fundament belief that superstit perhap knew you that you interest light found that you understand becom special part life you togeth decid becom fundamentalist respect each differ and remain friend part wai even you stuck you convert you that attitud will sure your intent and begin resent you happen person toler fundamentalist that idea simpl black and white approach life appeal don happen share belief fundamentalist not offend prosylet had good convers wit door didn switch belief for home friendli face invit wit provid wonder servic you condit that religion unimport and wit obnoxi you afraid you convert and becom that you will swept fundament that you will becom weirdo friendship two street you respect your friend includ belief you want friendship continu joe moor
soc.religion.christian	bibl unsuit for christian true read peter peter warn that scriptur hard understand not learn subject joe moor
soc.religion.christian	book articl apr atho rutger edu bassili arizona edu amgad bassili write can point good book dead sea scroll qumran advanc repli mail bassili arizona edu boi girl hang christ etern gospel robinson robinson dead sea scroll lasor jame habakkuk pesher eisenman maccabe quamran eisenman dead sea scroll uncov eisenman wise dead sea scroll decept baigent leigh jesu riddl dead sea scroll thier jesu scroll joyc happi read aboard poor wayfar stranger strang strang land disclaim not employ opinion not your and mine author roger holfeltz stortek note that thi list cover quit varieti view such good you want read book bewar that coupl book that list repres view that unusu clh
soc.religion.christian	saint stori aloysiu gonzaga here stori saint that peopl read morn star and post permiss editor saint aloysiu gonzaga patron youth marqui gonzaga had high aspir for son princ gonzag want becom famou brave and honour soldier carri great famili name gonzaga becom famou brave and honour father imagin not manner expect saint aloysiu mother woman receiv immens joi prai god and medit divin mysteri and life lord had time for pleasur thi life saint aloysiu grew began resembl mother father saint aloysiu had learn numer express father soldier moment discov that vulgar faint shock thi show immens hatr sin exampl for contempt for sin time holi communion receiv archbishop milan charl borromeo great saint con secrat puriti god and ask bless virgin protect innoc for life want share lord suffer show reciproc love start deni passion avoid eat finest food wear cloth and put piec wood bed order mortifi for love god earli teen father and younger brother court spanish king phillip obedi set make mix peopl royal court for handsom polit intellig and had interest not long thi time great soldier saint saint igna tiu loyola had found societi jesu jesuit saint aloysiu began yearn final told father marqui flew into rage and forbad son becom priest short time father great citi order that tempt priesthood even trial saint aloysiu grew desir for religi life and strengthen virtu puriti marqui plan fail con front son will you will you not obei and forget thi foolish ness will not father evit repli leav sight and don return you chang your mind tear cloud ey saint left room prai lord knelt flagel had time thi time onlook rush marqui thi last brought proud man sens lord lord can gave consent for son becom jesuit year end sixteenth centuri terri ble epidem broke rome hospit full and hous jesuit open saint aloi siu hospit prepar dy for holi death saint aloysiu contract plagu carri and nurs sick for month lai burn fever and final june gave soul lord gaze crucifix invok saint aloysiu patron and imit humil puriti and confid prayer saint aloysiu gonzaga prai for brendan arthur prayer person consecr servic sword soldier god bless simon line simon shield programm viva cristo rei monash univers colleg gippsland jh switchback churchil fax
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey previou articl randerso acad sah uth tmc edu robert anderson your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey that two public announc plan marri made vow god and unswervingli commit anoth realiz thi subject qualifi marri join god sight discuss thi girlfriend marri legal not peopl sexual each not sexual relat decid marri eventu for financi and distanc reason will not legal marri for anoth year and half marri for life god ey faith that strong relationship and had for year and will full joi marri church find church will live area marri and will find church commun feel that two peopl commit marriag god marri and bound that commit rick szanto polk speaker rock comput engin mac suck noth person case western zeta psi rule reserv univers
soc.religion.christian	pastor author controversi denomin author vest pastor form opinion solic opinion and refer for that and us gener refer not exclud respons denomin base biblic teach you understand church independ protest and like that follow ecclesiast author church discuss role deacon and elder for your repli answer not fool folli thou answer fool folli wise conceit proverb
soc.religion.christian	hell state that not atheist not christian god recent discuss atheist and hell combin post anoth group effect you will hell interest consensu god judg men cathol told that jew buddhist etc heaven peopl not thi even atheist and pagan assum lump into thi categori hellbound you god can judg and not you for your opinion tim
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog last articl includ thi quot substanti number talk religion misc reader read wittgenstein post disappear understood wittgenstein disappear michael siemon call boundari wrote thi quot arrog don you convent call smilei thi suppos sidewai smilei face and that preced comment suppos funni and note that particip talk religion misc for year siemon not meat repli boundari serv excel exampl meant loop wrote that human brain infest sin and can trust limit circumst repli boundari wrote beg differ you properli form conscienc can trust virtual time move problem back level you your conscienc properli form presuppos that you capabl judg form ness your conscienc word you can that your conscienc properli form you assum that your evalu can trust assum your conclus save you lot time grant not valid reason you infal your judgement your think cannot not your conscienc properli form that suppos mean boundari anoth paradigm exampl problem you hit purpos church necess infal interpret divin revel church christian noth bunch divis sect church necess infal interpret divin revel you you thi argument anoth you that argument contain mistak you write mind finit and suscept error compet arriv induct insight confid abil distinguish true not true even area not subject experiment method huge differ confid abil distinguish true not true and infal confid lot thing absolut certainti long confid thi discuss arrog claim absolut check subject line you absolut significantli you confid you that you confid that invit peopl limit circumst you that you absolut invit peopl dismiss you not idea fallibl meet believ knowabl infal sourc truth admit possibl error reason last claim that infal result convinc that had idea darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu thi discuss not relev origin critic feel that origin poster regard arrog idea that and wrong answer religion and that differ can etern consequ that hell and that signific danger end will admit that you reason process us reach thi fallibl principl wrong basic fact taught bibl that that misinterpret order thi level confid frame statement suffici carefulli sidestep number controversi issu haven for exampl that christian will end hell and haven attempt describ hell detail feel that view regard arrog and intoler even acknowledg that fallibl and chanc wrong don wrong lot genuin arrog christian and critic justifi case critic constitut blame messeng univers set that etern consequ for decis not fault tell you god immor for set thing that critiqu christian that find difficult respond not arrog for truth clh
soc.religion.christian	latest branch davidian apr geneva rutger edu aaron binah brandei edu scott aaron write articl apr geneva rutger edu conditt tsd arlut utexa edu paul conditt wrote sad that peopl put faith mere man even claim son god and prophet pose question that think distinguish true religion cult speak gener not specifi christian jerri falwel good morn america tuesdai ostens answer thi question basic that true religion follow messag cult follow person christian cult messag christian person jesu distinguish for exampl branch davidian cult presbyterian church doctrin differ don answer question imho don us answer can big differ davidian and christian follow sometim put feet jesu discipl basic gave lot career possibl famili and bunch follow jesu differ quit plain jesu good and david koresh not problem that legisl good and bad term principl for instanc thousand law govern legal and not hard bring peopl justic not find legal trust judg administ justic fairli and justic sinc judg don complic system involv preced and bunch stuff attempt make imperfect justic man into perfect hear justic system tell that quit opposit true problem that tend judg present materi present rant christian bad eloqu person anoth religion good thi american desir protect constitut cost even peopl bad thing that messag that import man present fals messag even mild manner that man perform tremend disservic that rambl guess that that shouldn for principl that davidian wrong not wrong follow and worship person import choos person simpl choos jesu and you choos and you wrong jesu begotten son god and jesu sin and stephen
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god serb work god hmm wonder question govern unit state and europ not move end ethnic cleans serb target muslim can god us not accomplish task for esp task that pun jame sledd cute sig work
soc.religion.christian	goodby not forev prais god write inform you that accept doctor psycholog program fuller theolog seminari pasadena work long and hard and hour prayer excit for thi opportun nervou prayer reader thi group for prepar for school thi summer and for career graduat student inform reader thi group fuller pasadena california gener good place fun good church check that good for foundat that fund scholarship monei you make person contribut contract for current job end april take coupl class thi summer and move pasadena hopefulli net access fall fuller doesn enjoi interest discuss and commend for earnest search god moder for provid such wonder servic and great job run thi new group god bless you vaya con dio amiga amigo paul paul conditt internet conditt titan tsd arlut utexa edu appli research phone fax laboratori fedex burnet road austin texa univers texa postal box austin texa austin texa wonder place texa live ttttttttttttttt ttt ttt ttt ttt ttttttttttttt texa tech ladi raider ttt swc champion ttt ncaa nation champion ttt ttttttt
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr geneva rutger edu prism gatech edu boundari write anecedot materi ultim show that experi modern jew not for proselyt rabbi onc told that talmud tradit that want convert judaism turn time continu accept
soc.religion.christian	lose your temper not christian trait sheila patterson write suspect that human desir christ that christian critic and christian remind peopl wither fig tree and jesu drive monei changer templ two instanc christ show anger part human side jeff johnson jcj tellab
soc.religion.christian	qualm post thi you want engag bit convers joel delug doesn expect card clh suggest that qualm order know situat imposs evalu appropri write folk will check zeal time not imho request thi natur made for oneself for and approv idea intrus and disrespect individu revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	prayer and advic request famili problem cloak god sustain and abid love prai prai prai prai for your brother that will assum godli role that prai for your sister law drive separ your brother and rest famili will heal prai for god give you peac knowledg that you not fix your descript that will requir devin intervent and realiz your brother respons seek godli counsel your pastor spiritu matur believ that akwai confort and will give you wisdon and direct you call
soc.religion.christian	prior articl lmvec westminst william hargreav write opinion that you save faith alon not you taught roman can squar mind teach jame conjunct lukewarm christian spat you agre that good work role you will gener find two camp faith work salvat faith salvat work work requir for salvat faith will inevit result good work opinion that salvat faith alon base ephesian and roman conclud that jame read context teach bullet jame speak justif claim that not speak god declar believ sinner innoc sight paul us word speak sinner profess faith justifi proven displai good work jame abscenc such work evid for dead useless faith fail save jame not problem for doctrin salvat faith teach work place not merit salvat evid true faith regard dave weaver fool cannot weaver chdasic sp mot gain cannot lose jim elliot number possibl reform believ salvat faith work suspect that thing ti togeth such that diagram thi form can justic clh
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god articl apr atho rutger edu randerso acad sah uth tmc edu robert anderson write your opinion thi exactli engag coupl becom marri god ey not unwil public marriag ceremoni will not you thi
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian don belief and belief wrong don belief thi simpli belief mean unfortunatli thi christian taught come religion extrem and that religion and you don accept teach you won save take quit bit arrog claim god think base your interpret book logic statement faulti that assum two peopl differ belief can correct percept two peopl exactli alik two peopl perceiv that truth call god truth univers truth call you will don god present thi truth and you for and prayer medit inspir ation dream peopl perceiv thi truth differ doesn mean wrong and exampl question glass half empti half full you can two answer contradictori and correct for your belief true not requir belief wrong person convinc evid that god will save christian hard you can critic for arrog for that wrong that arrog thi bit closer suppos had combin prophet and messiah that taught thing didn exclus and add and believ damn you critic for arrog thi case exclus messag come prophet etc wrong believ don can call arrog world isn soft place choic etern consequ can call christian messag arrog sens sens call law gravit arrog doesn give option whether fall jump build not christian for pass that complaint can make that christian wrong that god arrog clh
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect articl apr geneva rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write christ captialist pollut envior strict obedi gensi command subdu earth nazi justli punish jew for kill christ funni thi quot genesi treat anti christian christian firm command destroi earth you prove almost take quot context bibl big book you doubt you find singl case anti ecolog action take place specif teh perpetr motiv christian belief for nazi motiv german nation not christian fact despis christian weak pacifist religion and keen pagan glorif strength and warfar kill jew not german not christ killer keen kill german ethnic minor romani gypsi matthew huntbach
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism bob van cleef write papaci infal and thi matter faith pope cannot wrong hand thi not matter faith matter church law obei pope legal head church word doctrin infal choic obei thi primari problem church todai you heresi you call infallibil idea that pope thi virtual place thi countri pope infal specif and defin condit condit not met can make mistak can make big mistak coupl histor exampl come mind bishop robert grossetest perhap greatest product english cathol church point career reign pope decid instal nephew english bishop grossetest that thi happen dead bodi not word you treat pope respect even wrong problem that thi nephew collect incom and never set foot thi depriv peopl shepherd bishop grossetest quit anoth exampl that pope john xxii pope middl ag decid that soul that save not enjoi beatif vision last judgement decid that thi defin doctrin church didn quit defin thi compat cathol doctrin pope doctrin criticis church put number oppon jail even end had admit mistak shortli di recant successor made exact opposit idea dogma church you consult great cathol theologian treat such subject such robert bellarmin doctor church you will find detail discuss whether pope can person fall into heresi schism teach such theologian that command pope resist detriment cathol faith pope author for purpos build cathol church command conflict thi purpos legal moral forc
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr geneva rutger edu hayesstw risc unisa steve hay write similar analog medic doctor believ that blood transfus save life child parent jehovah wit and conscienti object blood transfus doctor effort persuad agre blood transfus perceiv arrog precis christian perceiv arrog truth belief that blood transfus save life child irrelev matter that doctor believ true and foce belief parent and thi perceiv arrog carri that step doctor not claim infal gener admit that conceiv wrong that thi case blood tranfus not turn doctor confid and convict claim genuin concern that fallibl human be acknowledg possibl that wrong that such doubt not reason and stand convict virgilio dean velasco depart electr eng and appli physic cwru graduat student roboticist train and wannabe bullwinkl that man intimid refere boss not doesn jewish carpent
soc.religion.christian	articl apr geneva rutger edu lmvec westminst william hargreav write commit christian that battl problem that roman talk save faith not deed hebrew and jame that faith deed useless you fool you that believ fulli believ life total lead and not god roman that person save faith and not scenario not believ and live part led god not believ intellectu wait not import rememb that can judg whether you commit can you judg guess closest can come situat listen statement thi can fallibl sens communion anoth bit that god prefer cold doesn condemn lukewarm christian and believ god doesn make attempt live bibl thi passag rememb that thi letter church laodicea peopl bodi christ rev talk work translat that lack concern make sick point throw opinion that you save faith alon not you taught roman can squar mind teach jame conjunct lukewarm christian spat save faith alon that faith not come alon you catch two mean can offer explan that jesu that fire for cold knew not will and made awar separ thi admonish for children not etern damnat answer not fool folli thou answer fool folli wise conceit proverb
soc.religion.christian	cell church discuss group jodfish silver uc indiana edu joseph dale fisher write defin cell church miss past thi brought cell church fundament build block cell group small group believ small group respons for ministri church evangel and discipleship emphasi relationship not program and evangel and discipl relationship base thi will rais question answer that nutshel jon reid fool cannot reid uiuc edu gain cannot lose jim elliot
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect articl apr geneva rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write cannot fail note intens suffer devast wreck world christian christ captialist pollut envior strict obedi gensi command subdu earth nazi justli punish jew for kill christ progrom innoc women burn aliv accord you not witch live moslem kill crusad god fear men destroi inquist religi war spain franc england etc christian undoubtedli caus suffer and needless loss life individu certain that instruct unquestion griev randi interest that you present mislead argument christian not massacr and horrif injustic that you relat fault peopl misunderstand jesu christ messag and modifi suit belief and aim alter ambit line present desir testament truth and good messag that carri author impli author come inevit fact that peopl will understand distort inevit consequ bibl messag that love peopl and that peopl redeem preach messag repent and give peopl deceit heart and capabl turn thi messag and contort sometim unbeliev wai thi fundament christian doctrin problem that you world ey western histori that you will find case massacr that instig peopl never claim christian not thi justifi massacr that point you tendenc present human world christian doubt that freedom countri live wasn for peac doctrin jesu christ perhap even confront harsh religion won name come mind not even freedom speech debat such subject point blame inher human tendenc thirst for power greed and hatr don point blame messag preach fundament give and denial love for christ andrew mcveigh that line question you present strang compat christian christian encourag question behaviour world and christian prais god for jesu christ and fact that can doubt belief and come back god and forgiven time and time andrew mcveigh
soc.religion.christian	cathol church poland articl apr geneva rutger edu rug zwart write write paper role cathol church poland church abort law religi educ school articl clari new religion last dai polish tribun decis that crucifix and religi class public school and that children not want religion class not forc ethic class substitut larri henl lmh shake caltech edu
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr geneva rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write basic problem your argument your total and complet relianc biblic text luke account highli suspect refer you hermeneia commentari act luke account written year fact meantim mention di and attempt find actual written sourc text come section portion act firmli establish paul account event act record galatian fail establish act account even independ proof that luke account valid find strang that you negat truth direct histor evid that you mention back assert made unequivoc that christian suffer for faith believ resurrect luke account suggest and absenc direct eyewit can claim that luke mistaken suggest that thi unequivoc assert suspect randi john ata technic consult internet ata hfsi hf inc uunet hfsi ata westpark drive voic mclean fax origin claim somewhat limit thi answer claim that wit couldn ly willign suffer for belief not show that christian suffer for believ resurrect issu whether wit agre that post you respond show that can liber conserv dogmat clh
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss thi thread talk religion soc religion christian bibl studi and interest amaz biblic argument oppos sabbath present question come mind sinc last not answer scriptur clh provid respons lot talk sabbath ceremoni answer thi sinc command law ten part biblic basi you decid that sabbath portion ceremoni you that seventh dai sabbath not applic gentil christian that mean sabbath command annul refer god not intend requir jew applic gentil christian make plain that gentil graft into commonwealth israel dariu act rom col gal into loop thi point thi classic situat side clear scriptur support and obviou argument that chang mind don repeat ourselv clh
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soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu oser fermi wustl edu scott oser write and two simplest refut impact record impact come testament guarante that book accur and that record impact happen find interest that contemporari sourc record eclips earthquak templ curtain torn etc earliest written claim jesu resurrect paulin epistl written sooner year suppos event that impact your ey that even discuss thi major impact and earli church bear testimoni impact probabl that displai bodi jesu knew person that like explan that bodi stolen discipl graverobb don bother point guard appear gospel and exactli sort thing earli christian make order counter grave rob charg testament record that jew believ bodi had stolen guard not effect made thi claim knew don forget that jesu jew and roman troublemak pilat fool and didn addit headach fishermen steal jesu bodi make had arisen sinc jesu buri grave man sanhedrin that didn buri beg question you that you that discipl stole bodi thi moment you die maintain you knew deliber lie not you discipl not talk dy for you firmli truth unbeknown you lie thi talk dy behead stone crucifixion etc for you lie you posit regard discipl steal bodi lightweight for graverobb risk sever penalti for grave rob bodi jesu wasn buri great rich thi argument that can discount that leav you back squar happen bodi ihl gene opinion express not necessarili univers north carolina chapel hill campu offic for inform technolog experiment bulletin board servic internet launchpad unc edu comment that plausibl christian scenario and typic suggest sceptic knowledg that resurrect subject event and empti tomb stori result account grow tell clh
soc.religion.christian	hell articl apr atho rutger edu dmn kepler unh edu seeker born minut write that depend heaven god king and etern heaven consist give and prais king opt for hell read love account missionari hand you love that king you and love you point assur you that etern time spent etern ecstasi you opt for that choic dana john ata technic consult internet ata hfsi hf inc uunet hfsi ata westpark drive voic mclean fax
soc.religion.christian	rise articl apr atho rutger edu reedr cgsvax claremont edu write articl apr atho rutger edu luomat alleg edu timothi luoma write articl apr atho rutger edu suppos you part christian consipraci peopl that christ had risen never mind stone burn aliv crucifixion talk scourg whip that us broken potteri metal flog beaten burn fed lion kill belief resurrect disappoint you you vastli oversimplifi thing that earli christian suffer totur wit christ for exampl act speech persuad call apostl and had flog order not speak name jesu and act apostl left sanhedrin rejoic had count worthi suffer disgrac for name appear that jewish ruler that time had avers even hear jesu name act gave you strict order not teach thi name you fill jerusalem your teach and determin make guilti thi man blood final apostl death jame zebede not rome hand martyr stephen idea resurrect can found host form religion antiqu problem not resurrect mediorc issu for tini fragment jewish popul problem that believ resurrect jesu son god and stood for and preach ministri earth that extrem difficult for peopl that had plot kill randi john ata technic consult internet ata hfsi hf inc uunet hfsi ata westpark drive voic mclean fax
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian previou articl ph vaxc monash edu articl apr atho rutger edu freenet carleton mark baker write demand scintif ration proof god exist deni god exist sinc scienc reason can natur prove you ask blindli you deni that part that make question god exist awar and reason not us abil reason becom ignor anim thi earth god want that ask you thing not visibl don thi believ blindli not not blind come into not deni reason insist reason draw conclus evid you decid advanc that your reason will act evid physic sens you cut reason possibl reach conclus physic sphere provoc inconclus conclus that physic sphere not explanatori christian claim that receiv kind evid call faith and gift god that thi evid evid thing choos reveal hide evid sens cannot you such ting exist reason evid sens won christian reason evid faith and claim that thi evid wholli consist evid sens and that evid sens part god revel not necessarilli case that knowledg god come thi rout sens physic provid evid physic realiti physic realiti type for sens for sens exist provid valid evid for reason work and sens sens impair peopl that spiritu blind thi sens belief god becom act sight and disbelief blind you that scienc and reason cannot prove not us can faith alon and sinc can us faith pictur god hinduism valid anoth christian faith not oppos reason simpli sourc evid reason oper clear that human be system for explain evid physic sens and similarli system for explain evid provid faith religi believ gener and christian us reason sift evid come clearer understand evid provid faith scienc claim good reason valid system for explain physic univers and christian claim good reason valid system possess evid for explain god revel man you doubt that christian us reason read thi newsgroup for and you will ration debat aplenti mark baker task not cut jungl freenet carleton irrig desert lewi
soc.religion.christian	tuff christian write anonym ask you becom christian you had not indoctrin your parent you never learn religion make compar studi and claim you brain wash becom christian indoctrin parent and studi buddhism fairli carefulli and religion lesser degre made decis accept truth claim christian lot thought point that process not pure cold ration power experienti element calvinist rest assur that don lai respons for outcom convers god year and year for thi happen had object that thi poster put forward grew shadow gener authoritarian conserv denomin and knew that that wasn life that adopt gradual learn not tar christian brush and realiz quit suddenli cold winter night that accept had heretofor reject quit that not brain wash bill hovingh
soc.religion.christian	hebrew grammar text choos english german phil sell write tire hors slightli twist want good english languag text for learn ancient hebrew and compar german educ text qualitywis idea can figur bui for studi wait back impress that for advanc work you will german refer work lexicon concord for time encount person prefer deal textbook written nativ languag you german and germani pick refer book you you can handl work reput sinc german rusti book koehler lexicon mandeldern concord jenni westermann theolog dictionari divin school seminari state lot languag instruct don basi for comparison amount languag instruct seminari vari wide depend denomin heritag school presbyterian and reform seminari place lot emphasi biblic languag divin school that doctor program biblic studi extens languag resourc quit master degre grant seminari attitud you interest give you semest long don understand pattern louisvil presbyterian seminari for year student intens week introductori languag cours each languag semest long exegesi cours that hebrew august exegesi fall greek januari exegesi spring cours requir for graduat half student advanc biblic work that requir languag work
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr geneva rutger edu rob mit edu write lewi that wed princip that marri each church and state present wit thi not lewi summari standard cathol theologi thi doesn mean that presenc wit option odd situat standard desert island clh origin wrote person ask thi question person decid post inform had topic spoke pastor parish cathol recent coincid thi subject explain that for coupl marri presenc priest import recogn church church recogin commun believ member church degre held account each hypothet that mythic coupl desert island place world that not priest avail for marriag regular basi coupl marri priest present priest testifi marriag come area rememb religion teacher high school that marriag ceremoni not for benefit coupl for benefit commun marri coupl respons commun stai marri divorc set bad exampl for commun coupl vow becom anoth commun reli that coupl coupl marri wit not anul priest present anul simpli admiss church that had declar marriag not fact marriag for reason don start get marri back seat station wagon and give anul half hour tend agre respons back that coupl becom marri consum marriag add that coupl marriag consum sex whether not intend marri assum will partner sexual act coupl prepar rais children result that sexual act benefit parent sex commit god ey digress god you malcusco
soc.religion.christian	orthodox list recent had move and forgot updat address orthodox mail list can mail address for and exactli put cap etc send origin subscript address ahead time shredder sayr internet shredder telerama pgh unemploy studi major
soc.religion.christian	religion and religion famili never religi sing christma carol limit for never believ god and heaven don that don exist sort undecid lot peopl guess think lot and wonder religi peopl can convinc that god feel want not us believ thing proof can that isn god can that wonder you brought religi famili and never believ can understand your belief and faith god can strong anoth question that frequent cross mind religion correct you choos religion and you that christian god exist and god religion don you feel peopl follow religion atheist and peopl agnost suppos you respect religion and accept belief valid your isn contradict religion can your religion valid you respect for not religi follow religion you christian scriptur correct event bibl suppos happen suppos stori moral show true christian behav gener follow christian idea suppos fairli univers religion not kill steal etc and love neighbour for want express part find hard actual belief god final god attitud peopl don quit gener fairli good peopl sure not believ doesn make wors person not find wonder strongli want and find religion waffl bit write idea into head repeat bit for paul simmon discuss evid for christian recent that you prefer respond thi email post clh
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss wrote respons dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint not clear faq paul comment esteem dai anoth rom that paul god interpret word paul higher prioriti direct word jesu matt paul begin roman weak faith you count weak faith accept that dariu honor lord equal accept that esteem dai alik similarli honor lord bibl jesu paul close roman hand person doubt eat guilti isn act faith and failur act faith sin gau isbn you read ten command portion law you read jesu word matt doubt your mind and sin greek hamartia miss mark clear that not unambigu proof that regular christian worship dai respons passag cite ten command and jesu word matt fairli clear not difficulti passag that talk nnregular christian meet explicitli and gather sundai for worship piec inform noth aim answer thi question matt doesn answer your question dai christian met hous act despit dariu confus describ act occur sundai doesn gather paul that gather for break bread break bread roughli synonym eat obviou read thi that dai week simpli mean time gather for worship you unit thi concept ten command and jesu word matt reason implic and not clear statement that author assum that reader knew christian worship clh assum that ten command and jesu word matt stood for perhap strong faith don that paul can overrul god paul write for larg gentil audienc law regard jew time and bind jew not gentil rule that bind human be call noachic law quit minim issu that church had face jesu death gentil want follow christ decis not impos law didn that law abolish simpli acknowledg that fact that didn appli gentil contradict mat can paul and jewish christian continu particip jewish worship sabbath continu obei law issu and gentil christian not cover law not ceremoni aspect jesu dealt jew can assum that mat direct jewish audienc interact gentil time centurion slave heal and coupl term us describ centurion luke suggest that god fearer gentil god had not adopt jewish law commend jewish elder worthi person and jesu accept such thi that jesu accept prevail view that gentil not accept law involv you want compar jesu and paul law order full pictur role law come grip paul appar reject law and that relat jesu commend law read paul that law serv purpos that sens superced thi issu isn abolit law middl discuss paul note that understood thi and assur that that not intend see law primarili present convict peopl sin ultim imposs standard and that superced christ paul comment not world clearest and not agre read interest thing notic that even thi radic posit not entail abolit law remain uncompromis standard not iota dot remov for purpos convict sin import that not relax for christian not end ultim live faith not law theoret categori us end jesu and paul come similar conclus quot passag mat context rest sermon mount jesu show interpret law not iota dot suggest liter read fact that not jesu approach jesu interpret emphas intent law and stai ceremoni detail for take free attitud sabbath and kosher law scholar claim that mat context cent jewish discuss jesu accus oppon care give tenth even minor herb neglect thing that matter justic merci and faith and care cup and plate clean not fact that insid peopl us full extort and rapac mat thi and discuss mat suggest that jesu specif view law mind and that talk maintain law full strength think aspect paul conclus similar talk law superced specif exampl involv ceremoni law such circumcis and sabbath quit concern maintain moral standard net result thi that paul talk law superced and jesu talk law maintain talk aspect law paul embroil argument circumcis natur letter respond specif situat aspect law that caus troubl law specif jewish ceremoni not intend abolish divin standard conduct hand jesu commend law talk law broadest implic for moral and human relationship and deemphas aspect that give paul troubl unfortun that peopl us term wai familiar that current conflict term famili valu special mean current context imagin poor historian futur figur famili valu us code word for opposit homosexu specif period law had similar role argument paul involv paul not reject jewish valu that term law peopl concern famili valu movement oppos famili valu clh
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god ey articl apr geneva rutger edu mcd brunel michael davi write honor law state and peopl will perceiv cultur insensit declar marri civil ceremoni coupl unwil commit publicli wit and record that prima faci evid that commit isn michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	immateri afterlif hell real articl zaym spss goer midwai uchicago edu write thought di simpli sheol notion heaven christian base part that speak immateri afterlif richard goerwitz goer midwai uchicago bitnet goer midwai uchicago edu rutger oddjob elli goer bibl teach immateri afterlif taught that jew and christian found notion incomprehens don christian resurrect bodi you mean materi simpli stuff made element that and love stan armstrong religi studi dept saint mari univers halifax armstrong huski stmari att clyde watmath water dalc armstrng
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler cathol will decid side pope sound thi papaci infal eventu pope will straighten thi hand unsound thi that short term pope wrong and such cathol noth situat obei wrong fact situat grave sin obei wast great opportun fail love christ heroic time that thi badli joe your logic excap papaci infal and thi matter faith pope cannot wrong hand thi not matter faith matter church law obei pope legal head church word doctrin infal choic obei bob bob van cleef peac revc garg campbel land garg bb you bb you want faq infal doctrin infal not that pope cathol theologian acknowledg that number occas pope wrong two aspect infal gener concept that long run church protect error thi not mean that imposs for wrong turn time anoth specif concept papal infal that specif circumst papal statement can infal rel small fraction statement meet criteria thi not absolv cathol duti obei even ordinari teach pope teach made that explicitli infal clh
soc.religion.christian	christian for christian articl apr geneva rutger edu mussack austin ibm write for exampl univers exist whether not find thi pascal wager and spend live search wast live meaningless and suppos univers billion year and suppos last anoth billion year suppos live that noth that small that scari search for friend earth noth aren scare find thi view christian quit dishearten and sad idea that life mean import creator not basi for belief and logic appal god exist want heard thi line reason and preval modern societi peopl convinc life hopeless pollster and newscast state don thi good reason becom religi you want mean not join cult such waco leader will give you secur blanket you desir larri henl lmh shake caltech edu
soc.religion.christian	christian parent sociolog student and research into young offend group children rais home moment formlul inform disciplin christian home you parent thi catagori can you email your respons questionair respons will treat confidenti and will us prepar stat ag sex children you spank your kid you us implement spank you not spank method disciplin you us your ag your locat ag you commit crimin offenc er you disciplin kid you advanc for repli you can make mail your repli post newsgroup hope obviou that respons thi question like problem us for research purpos reader not like random sampl christian and thi form not inform act stratifi sampl perhap familiar research method want correspond clh
soc.religion.christian	anger articl apr geneva rutger edu new cbnewsk att write paul conditt write insert delet paul and aaron discours anger ref galatian don obviou not speak act flesh speak emot emot not moral immor good bad emot step not label emot good bad numb ourselv that hide true feel accept ourselv god accept can colossian and ephesian emot can control and god put strong emphasi control paul write timothi make teach control insert delet remaind paragraph aaron don quick judg forgiven aid dealt and respons for feel and made choic for action such feel not anger and read for joe issu control feel and action for action stem feel instanc for god give anger that come joe moor joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	tuff christian articl apr geneva rutger edu mdb uki edu name write bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write don peopl understand christian not lot church life and total sacrafic for god sake love die and save typic statement irrat and brainwash person bibl written male chavnist thousand year ago holi book follow part that you suitabl for modern life ignor for heaven sake don liter leav heaven for sake prai that dan liter that god intend dan your view group appear correct point view found group meet requir laid bibl mean discipl jesu clue wwc mail you touch hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever insert delet rant religion center dan origin context dan familiar thi you point don want turn and discipl clue not taught exactli that and turn follow jesu block difficult doctrin taught uncar pharise and teacher law jesu point take follow and discipl luke and luke question peopl ignor command and treat option don answer thi insert delet part question you becom christian you had not indoctrin your parent you never learn religion make compar studi and claim you brain wash parent had noth god had and for attack respons that disagre your tone and appear judgment statement possibl point slander talk peopl not you respons state fly handl discours noth discuss dan and happier time your respons joe
soc.religion.christian	interdisc bibl research inst interdisciplinari bibl research institut oper hatfield interest theori earth oppos young earth and evolut master charlei seek god and you will find thing pierc pleasur seek pleasur and you will find boredom disillusion and enslav john white ero defil note that not accept discuss evolut dedic group for that talk origin clh
soc.religion.christian	helphlphelphelp thi somewhat long plea read boi glad you decid read thi problem that peopl detail thi ahead and you that sound thi not boi meet girl problem not total that year sophmor ncsu year ago famili and vacat coast cottag rent across street th girl whistl whenev name erin friend that week beach and write each for year period year lost contact that ago erin live kansa and last year letter that come back famili gonna drove hour thi begin spent dai erin dai life even had write each had us person incred woman met year older btw mean person world for person not incred beauti not mention leagu not unattract mind you had great person and great senc humor famili famili church that extent christian you kind peopl christian you idea such thing love sight found that last year kid you not that thought dai sinc letter erin and kid each not find date true for can for had problem home folk split and end leav school present give you part letter last week explain life you not anymor isn colleg wasn click greek life big and that isn wasn take class that interest idea want life interest medic physic therpi love work kid didn work for thi univers and parent work full time bass store bass shoe that and part time job local daycar work infant room enjoi spice week bit and great experi not plan back school futur main reason indecis want studi definatlei plan back coupl year idea for thing won kansa noew discuss promot boss and district manag train store work for month assist manag and that basic list store newli built chose manag pretti decid carolina hopeulli close beach wouldn fun each onc year you abou that your opinion thi job pretti temporari good pai and thye manag experi good applic resum compani solid and treat employe good benefit bonus medic plan year full time servic will reimburs tuition school monei waitng for thi will sinc will end pai state tuition wherev chri you decis respect your opinion complet lost for for soooo long that opportun sound good job that want life reatil manag don earn year for year femal bad your career decis solv your problem marri you can your pilot thing sometim not will make you happiest worri home life you uptight you meant marraig thing dream night marri and mention letter don sinc move carolina search bass store and ask come carolina pick peopl graduat high school and marri mean had lot stress exam and fact that don date beacaus time not that that colleg women wrap social scene greek whic christian can support and doesn greek thing stun girl that attract pai real attent mean move and sophmor struggl class prai thi past year time time god situat open thi sign more that make wors call terribl phone don even talk friend for longer minut mean girl perfect want averag gui confus can chri feel that talk chri directli email clh
soc.religion.christian	sex educ articl apr atho rutger edu jviv usmi midland chevron john viveiro write spend signific amount time correct error reliabl test for condom and abstin year ago that famou studi that show failur rate for condom studi show failur rate for abstin that adult coupl reli abstin prevent pregnanc pregnant alarm number didn willpow abstain and think that thi will work high school kid told that plan parenthood siecu style valu free method that teach contracept technolog and advis kid make choic increas pregnanc rate post long articl thi back and will happi email copi interest articl includ sourc contact for inform research verifi statement and outstand sourc for info acquir abstin relat curricula even singl copi quantiti for home us research produc result that abstin relat curricula found decreas pregnanc rate teen assum that reason assum that aid rate will fluctuat pregnanc rate differ not contracept technolog valu taught children siecu curricula taught kid that legitim choic abstin relat curricula taught that not legitim choic abstin valu system that strongest determin behavior behavior kid despit track record abstin relat curricula suppress favor curricula that produc effect contrari that desir question for discuss textbook don teach safe drug us kid drug abstin isn that class us drug safe you choos us drug increas drug us isn drug abstin educ bar school teach religion aren abandon children will us drug and instruct safe us joe kellett jkellett netcom
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu johnsd rpi edu write articl atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write drug replac for christ empti spot god shape hole heart eas pain heard thi claim quit time god shape hole busi thi effect substanc abus recoveri program involv meet peopl spiritu you want provid evid time you make claim thi step program alcohol anonym step involv acknowled higher power and step abus recoveri program acknowledg effect evid for god thi can dismiss state that defect person make substanc abus make peopl religi and debunk perhap acknowledg that religi crutch drug addict maintain that escap and suspect that atheist find substanc abus prefer christian that essenti problem commun christ ian and atheist that christian necessarili ourselv incomplet and need god god shape hole atheist necessarili suffici atheist christian guilti moral weak and cowardli stand for christian atheist guilti consider arrog us term atheist refer person definit convict that god oppos not and not care god seanna watson bell northern research prai that end live seanna bnr ottawa ontario canada philosophi and creed god will find peopl busi opinion opinion opinion plant tree and sow seed not bnr mine knew left fred kaan spell sow author name iter sig will keeper
soc.religion.christian	good articl jxo spss luomat alleg edu write thi dumb christian that can never live requir god wrong that understand doesn spend live reach goal can never achiev that save faith and not work that mean that onc save don jame tell that faith work dead paraphras thi work long that good thing come want miss point love god come love and love find that not good not sign even harder roman sign seek god awar jesu presenc want strenth love that empow weak stan armstrong religi studi dept saint mari univers halifax armstrong huski stmari att clyde watmath water dalc armstrng
soc.religion.christian	justifi war exist netter question discuss such thing justif war love basi scriptur for war wrong war justifi thing start outlin ask question high school dai had quit involv zealand cadet forc thi bit rotc understand lot emphasi fun militari career train thi extrem enamour fly becom involv sport glide and great interest militari aviat hardwar real flyer for favourit comput game accur simul militari aircraft past and present christian year ago and time reject militari activ immor for war complet opposit god command love anoth enemi war iraq found great excit listen report effect attack aviat technolog admir stealh bomber and strike aircraft etc war conclud began enjoi simul base thi conflict great and bomb saddam bio weapon plant comput shoot mig simul death peopl wonder game imagin real pilot view real thing languag us that person impact war build contain peopl aircraft flown pilot simpli target dead civilian collater damag euphan remov realiti war peopl support for continu wage war vietnam import public opinion troop sponsor unit nation enter somalia and prospect militari intervent muslim croat serb conflict yugoslavia revuls sieg sarajevo and last dai bout spell sebrenitsa caus rethink stand justifi war will list war last year can each and thi justif thi not simpli gut reaction each case benefit imparti histori bring and state reason for reaction not historian excus histor blunder work popular histori zealand second world war murder jew hitler had stop massiv civilian casualti side dresden hiroshima nagasaki justifi korean war polit expansion north korea basic commun capit not justifi vietnam worsen involv vietnames invas cambodia genocid khmer roug justifi iraq desert storm polit expansion threat world oil suppli factor such genocid not justifi futur involv bosnia genocid call ethnic cleans emot coverag atroc and civilian casualti justifi futur us nuclear weapon tactic strateg world respons libya israel feel thi simpl nuclear war weapon abhorr love zealand govern stand ban nuclear arm power warship port never justifi view look scriptur and confus view base scriptur don want naaahh yer wrong answer for your alastair thomson phone chief programm fax black albatross porject univers otago depart comput scienc mail alastair farli otago box athomson otago dunedin nextmail zealand god love world that gave son die place that etern life john paraphras
soc.religion.christian	coupl marri us marriag commission for alaska court system sort justic peac had great difficulti that duti us prai earnestli courthous bathroom ceremoni ask that coupl come and fulfil true holi and divin purpos marriag coupl didn realiz that marriag god institut not state gradual conclud that act strictli secular public capac establish such state and expect coupl involv conduct pure secular legal civil event greater moral religi implic had conduct civil trial coupl told mid ceremoni hurri help thi conclus thought had neatli ration clear and sharp distinct marriag god and marriag state had deal divorc keep matthew mind felt that state had busi dissolv marriag establish god assum jurisdict nonetheless you propos answer thi question thi issu logic extens intercours mental intent parti ceremoni church combin thereof establish marriag moment dissolv karl thoenn iii univers alaska
soc.religion.christian	divin provid murphi law roman rsv that god work for good love call purpos murphi law can wrong will quit familiar amplif and commentari murphi law harmon that roman for that matter humor contradict scriptur tim rolf rolf dsuvax dsu edu rolf junior dsu edu
soc.religion.christian	accept jesu your heart religion christian noth drug peopl us drug escap realiti christian inject jeezu and live that high you christian mark
soc.religion.christian	name sequel think idea that rais michael covington that word mean mean etymolog reflect word meant childhood and trace thi shape attitud grew home christ bad word peopl angri word christian meant not jew carri connot other threat enemi time figur that connect christ and christian accept jesu expect disown becom christian meant join enemi knew traitor level agre prepar pai thi price esau sold birthright made bargain stew incompar rich know christ turn parent not disown found that hope phase that grow time had decid wasn phase sort us didn disown didn complet accept situat for exampl didn come wed church visit grandmoth hospit dai death concern you jew meant that love and forgav not jew christian conced that like chicken soup matzoh ball not kosher not celebr sabbath saturdai son not circumcis thing true peopl jew not rule that make peopl jew heritag past gave past thi find hard relat messian jew experi unlik mine jew jesu even that stage life heritag not valu gave sens that give for god small sacrific unnecessari sacrific gave and not want for back and don heritag born anoth outcast hous israel member church thing cathol christian that rich tradit feel onc root past thi reason don peopl mess christian tradit for exampl chang name easter tradit fill import emot mine suppos point thi that peopl shouldn assum that believ jewish background for jewish christian good name for oxymoron jayn kulikauska jayen mmalt guild org
soc.religion.christian	tuff christian articl apr geneva rutger edu mdb uki edu name write bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write hei can god inspir turn live that tuff and peopl don want real christian for strong persever you easi muslim buddhist good point buddhism etc delet christian true christian hard follow faithfulli not mean that discount valid and difficulti religion admir religion will make kind sacrific and dedic spiritu you talk delet and perhap leav crap woman creat man helper etc you thi christian not christian thi stori liter sound you support polici each anoth exampl that help faith word bibl liter support and respect that time don rush dai christian your life not church onc week help poor peopl onc box into time unit such work thi time sport social life god box and turn thi pat robertson and brain washer boi act put number turn your pledg god aliv and insid box don judg christian man man can judg christian jesu make sens point put live into box true your comment robertson that carri into box that creat for ourselv part question you becom christian you had not indoctrin your parent you never learn religion make compar studi and claim you brain wash rais agnost father never baptis and rais atheist not atheist found close minded present viewpoint parent equal close minded found viewpoint christian contact free choos live life and support decis made join episcop church emphas that respect for belief result not intrud belief not convert that decis flame advic convert good friend hindi and greatli respect belief and cultur surround religion friend jewish and held profound resepct for jewish religion chaim potok and isaac bashevi singer two favorit author not you can make that kind gener christian choos and mean choos faith not conscious accept faith adult live confirm repres you can talk brainwash vera you choos not decid you made choic rush freewil
soc.religion.christian	agnost question perhap you can your friend that you feel pressur continu discuss thi topic sure doesn feel you pressur into you feel uncomfort sinc christian choic make realiz that thi friendship feel you miss great and you sinc you you can learn christian you can that you make that choic and choic you respect for that person that christian mission christ show faith and happi that faith and make peopl talk you not impos your belief definit impos differ hope made clear not correct vera your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism materi michael davi subject schism gener and archishop lefebvr wrote part two part articl scandal activ archbishop weakland thi countri cut that and pare rest relev joe buehler schism and disobedi thoma aquina schism consist primarili refus submiss pope communion member church unit sight that subject motiv archbishop discuss state object schism refus submit pope grave matter involv suprem power jurisdict standard cathol textbook theologi make clear that schism involv disobedi not act disobedi schismat thi note begin thi articl mean that number american bishop not schismat not reach doubl figur distinct disobedi and schism made clear articl schism authorit dictionnair theologi catholiqu articl father yve congar friend archbishop lefebvr explain that schism and disobedi similar that confus father congar write that schism involv refus accept exist legitim author church for exampl luther reject papaci father congar explain that refus accept decis legitim author instanc not constitut schism disobedi cathol encyclopedia explain that for cathol schismat intend sever church li add that not disobedi schism order possess thi charact includ transgress command superior denial divin command not mgr lefebvr not deni divin pope command affirm repeatedli recognit pope author and intent never break rome archbishop made attitud clear juli august issu dai prai for pope dai noth chang consecr last june not sedevacantist recogn john paul legitim pope cathol church don even that heret pope that modernist action favor heresi intrins schismat princip argument us claim that mgr lefebvr schism that consecr bishop papal mandat intrins schismat act bishop carri such consecr claim becom ipso facto schismat thi not true such consecr intrins schismat act involv penalti excommun code canon law offenc punish suspens canon code pope piu xii had rais penalti excommun respons establish schismat church china consecr illicit chines bishop differ radic consecr carri mgr lefebvr profess intent repudi author pope that deni that govern church and illicitli consecr chines bishop mandat exercis apostol mission archbishop lefebvr bishop consecr claim that power jurisdict consecr sole for purpos ensur surviv societi carri ordin and perform confirm not minim graviti step mgr lefebvr consecr bishop papal mandat matter ordin priest involv refus practic primaci jurisdict belong divin roman pontiff archbishop argu that crisi afflict church not grave and that grave measur need respons appear for grant archbishop critic that excommun for offens schism and vatican guilti foster thi impress not modicum truth thi alleg code canon law includ section begin canon entitl penalti for specif offens poeni singula dicta part deal offens religion and uniti church delicti contra religionem ecclesia unitatem canon deal offens schism evid togeth apostasi and heresi fundament offens uniti church archbishop not excommun term thi canon canon involv offens religion uniti church canon cite excommun come section penalti for specif offens entitl usurp ecclesi function and offens exercis munerum ecclesiasticorum usurpation degu delicti inii exercendi canon question canon read bishop consecr bishop and person receiv such consecr bishop pontif mandat incur automat lata sententia excommun reserv holi scandal attempt smear archbishop lefebvr offens schism contrari truth and chariti compar smear civil oppos ecclesiast law justifi legal action for libel involv massiv damag accur parallel state that man convict manslaught had convict degre murder stress that written not dubiou opinion laymen unvers intricaci canon law canon lawyer shred sympathi for mgr lefebvr repudi charg schism made total unten father patrick yaldrini dean faculti canon law institut catholiqu pari note juli issu valeur actuel that explain mgr lefebvr not excommun for schism for usurp ecclesiast function ad that not consecr bishop constitut schism conferr apostol mission illicitli consecr bishop thi usurp power sovereign pontiff prove intent establish parallel church cardin rosalio lara presid pontif commiss for authent interpret canon law comment consecr juli issu repubblica hard imagin authorit opinion cardin wrote act consecr bishop papal mandat not schismat act fact code that deal offens divid into two section deal offens religion and uniti church and apostasi schism and heresi consecr bishop pontif mandat contrari offens exercis specif ministri for exampl case consecr carri vietnames archbishop ngo dinh thuc and archbishop excommun not consid commit schismat act intent breach church not simpli unjust ludicr suggest that consecr bishop papal mandat archbishop lefebvr had intent establish schismat church not schismat and will never schismat archbishop consid correctli that church undergo worst crisi sinc arian heresi and that for good church for consecr bishop ensur futur societi canon law for such situat and even believ that futur societi guarante consecr fact that archbishop believ sincer that not mean canon law state that not incur excommun vatican such prelat archbishop weakland undermin faith impun cannot expect cathol pai attent sanction great and orthodox archbishop entir life devot servic church and salvat soul eric saventhem presid intern una voce associ inform laymen church and archbishop intim saventhem greater desir reconcili mgr lefebvr and holi archbishop lifetim quotat statement saventhem publish februari remnant merit care studi retrospect road lead consecr june appear pave grave roman and papal omiss lefebvrist obstin and ey inform public thi cannot hidden attempt present archbishop act grave disobedi offens faith todai that mgr lefebvr erron concept tradit thi cardin ratzing not behalf pope address archbishop word letter juli your ardent desir safeguard tradit procur for mean live and prosper testifi your attach faith time holi father understand your concern and share
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart jason smith jason atlastel wrote discuss begin univers exist law natur and effect dictat thi layman mind causal event reason altern exist argu that causal properti spacetim preced effect you claim that answer univers spacetim emerg noth scienc good candid for answer wonder christian us question scienc atheism cannot answer argument hope thi group thi question popular question question origin univers exist for that matter thi question split into two part exist exist and univers emerg noth clear scienc noth question meaning question isn die hard skeptic human attempt doubt exist sinc easi doubt cannot world exist mind fool can exist exist not exist insert shakespear quot that not exist cannot doubt exist that exist can doubt exist thi pointless exist return origin question that not exist not reason for exist thi not whether exist mind assum that world exist independ mind object postul question exist can counter demand answer question noth nothing exist question turn devoid mean thing that exist and thing that don exist don exist tautolog doubt god answer thi question christian talk that god exist problem thi answer inevit lead conclus that god exist good and evil devil and angel and thi pantheism not christian anoth answer that god sourc exist thi sound tempt god exist god sourc exist can mean that term human time exist thi not sourc exist thi argument sound god not exist meta exist and meta exist perspect creat exist thi nonsolut mere twist word answer heard that human reason incap understand such question atheist not accept such answer sinc not method second question univers emerg noth belong domain scienc and for not doubt question can answer method cosmologist suggest that for univers emerg vacuum thi possibl suggest recent hawk biographi lizhi shuxian creation univers world scientif sci group for discuss thi can law natur demand that isn true natur super natur thi not true scienc collect model tell not happen cannot good reason question bound natur thing assum that supernatur domain exist supernatur be exist exist genet code will deciph lifetim will not man convert inert materi into sustain reproduc life never prophet can even pictur york mind don technolog produc that spark life despit part opinion thi opinion call vital that live system fundament inanim system christian gener adopt thi posit happen scientist announc creat primit life small bacteria lab problem your propheci artifici life creat not chemic form comput simul evolut system that aliv bacterium code electron metabol recent book steven levi artifici life quest for creation jonathan cape london artifici chemic life corner spark life found live system not violat physic law you don mind send prayer your behalf your research you christ delud ourselv you noth worri exactli thi atheist not post evangel atheist argument soc religion group sinc peopl seek find peac religion allow gather togeth ask question alt atheism talk religion misc christian not read group petri petri pihko kem pmp mathemat truth pihati finou oulu physic rule oulu kempmp game finland phoenix oulu chemistri game
soc.religion.christian	question that bee bother wquinnan sdcc ucsd edu malcusco write problem scienc that assum for ourselv god endow abil produc life sexual relat for exampl not make that avail that mean that scienc can ride god decis alter that god will for power decid and not children men allow babi that made word don that physic knowledg great deal impact power god past god gave abil creat life sexual relat give abil creat life vitro fertil differ two cosmet and even gain abil creat univers won begin approach glori god power test and that case will us abil unwis peopl sexual unwis for millenia and haven heard outcri abolish matter extend dominion physic world aren imping god power attempt gain control spiritu world thing that can approach scienc and logic that begin interfer god alan terlep and scorpion oakland univers rochest natur atterlep vela ac oakland edu
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian ph vaxc monash edu write articl apr atho rutger edu freenet carleton mark baker write thi not true athiest posit that proof exist god peopl accept church priest straight scriptur proof thi not satisfi atheist you haven fulli explain atheist posit theist that proof exist god choos haven found argument for atheism that can quickli broken unprov assumpt thi isn problem faith you that you can provid pure logic argument for nonexist god you ask blindli you deni that part that make question god exist awar and reason not us abil reason becom ignor anim thi earth god want that you that scienc and reason cannot prove not us can faith alon and sinc can us faith pictur god hinduism valid anoth christian ahh you us scienc and reason you faith belief scientif method for exampl physic law univers stabl observ realiti valid basi for determin truth object realiti exist logic argument valid answer question can you prove alan terlep and scorpion oakland univers rochest natur atterlep vela ac oakland edu
soc.religion.christian	messiah desire bradlei mindlink desire bradlei write and meagr knowledg bibl that christian hard jew christ dai for cautiou accept that religi author didn accept messiah thi good point christ person claim messiah fact number messiah activ area time roman conquest fall masada statement made apostl repeat attempt give jesu sword give militari power point fact that didn realiz true natur reign fact statement bibl can orient explain thi definit messiah jew preach alan terlep and scorpion oakland univers rochest natur atterlep vela ac oakland edu
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell two common thread run post atheist newsgroup and that can us explain each don direct quot handi atheist that die die forev god condemn fail etern death unfair don problem christian hell definit etern death exactli atheist expect die reason hell aw peopl etern death bad liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such person don that peopl hell will thrust into flame expect jesu doubl edg sword issu mouth treat statement metaphor alan terlep and scorpion oakland univers rochest natur atterlep vela ac oakland edu rush angel fear tread jodi
soc.religion.christian	tuff christian articl apr geneva rutger edu mdb uki edu name write part question you becom christian you had not indoctrin your parent you never learn religion make compar studi and claim you brain wash you write christian peopl christian famili thi not true quit peopl thi group can attest includ richard aquina chonak norri mit edu usenet addict intp seek job chang sy mgr vax si cobol dtr progr unix
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss respons discuss sabbath andrew byler comment that sola scriptura worship saturdai chang sundai law made church and don acknowledg author make law note that protest not sundai worship law clh not refer faq sabbath admiss post bibl studi group thi prompt send faq argument sabbath that part ceremoni law and rest ceremoni law not bind christian you cannot show scriptur that weekli sabbath part ceremoni law you post text repli investig context you accept that sabbath not bind christian dai worship fall into categori item individu christian sinc worship natur group activ church free decid can church decid and not sin interest divin imper establish rule oper cannot creativ god explicitli spoken dariu normal protest interpret sundai not law and worship anoth dai not sin church free decid dai will meet free decid hour not sin worship dai you belong church that worship sundai and you show mondai you will worship alon clh
soc.religion.christian	poem sophomor roman sophomor truth and turn bask admir peer modern dare liber modern dare liber chant sophomor american doesn that question modern skeptic cynic ask modern skeptic cynic urban cosmopolitan politician appoint not elect happen live two thousand year ago politician care ideal result end mean keep job and head call bit brutal firm kinder and doubt stalin laugh lax didn job perhap longer hope for fear wors head and wili jew head win tail you lose conundrum brought madman impuls plai roman find noth wrong mention king and caesar heart froze kill madman start riot and lose job and head save king jew piss caesar and lose job and head and wife told noth righteou lout didn hadn figur punt not jurisdict herod happen town herod appreci courtesi wasn worri and sharp tongu fool suddenli didn funni peopl lose pressur back attir proper royal state ass cover herod problem caesar won fool can king world long not caesar let shout last thi crowd reaction puzzl want dead didn want king jew want barabba and josephu record thought and barabba time and can king caesar kill madman hell kill ten dai and pilat had fun joke short point trilingu and thi get caught gear govern and scientif explan doubt for superstiti rumor persist thi dai that didn end tomb and roman squadron guard sophomor doesn thi doesn recogn kindr spirit truth admit guess haven learn two thousand year fred gilham gilham csl sri peac war not hell war hell make sens walker perci second come
soc.religion.christian	assur hell dream that great judgment morn had dawn and trumpet had blown dream that sinner had gather for judgment white throne weep and wail lost told fate cri for rock and mountain prai prayer late soul that had put salvat not tonight save and time religion ala had found time die and great white throne protest that fear hell not good for motiv jesu thought paul thought paul know terror lord persuad men todai evangel noth soft soap and noth evangel salesmanship don peopl anymor that such thing sin that such place hell jayn thi doesn mean come strong hit peopl head basebal bat fact remain place call hell place fear that god di save experi you christian can win peopl lord for reason outer dark jesu tell that didn prepar hell for peopl prepar for devil and angel bibl read anywher that god predestin hell moodi us that elect whosoev will and nonelect whosoev wont whether not that theolog sound couldn defend practic jesu peopl israel not you not student bibl heck you not christian you don hell religion jesu you that jesu talk hell heaven religion sermon mount you find hell taught jesu sermon mount you read that jesu talk tree cast into fire time talk hell and judgment fact and synopt matthew mark and luke jesu talk hell not isaiah not mose not john baptist jesu son god great belov preach hell love peopl and didn want hell jesu preach vain lord jesu not angri baptist preacher that worm never di and fire never jesu that jesu call hell furnac fire jesu that us word condemn and thi condemn that men love dark light deed evil jesu that can across you that love dy jesu preach hell not that hell that calgari lord cross dark fell call hell outer dark you thi idea that hell place gambler gambl drunk get drunk and prostitut prostitut bodi that not hell hell not parti fellowship call outer dark outer god dark god light cross made sin for you and for god treat jesu sinner treat that sober thought son awesom thought god god hast thou forsaken hell isol fellowship hell friendship hell love embrac hell hand shake hell word encourag hell thirst deeper physic thirst hell etern crave satisfact man life live for drug will crave etern man life live for lust woman bodi will crave etern and not satisfi theologian put thi and deserv merit hell hell kind environ that match intern condit lost recent post rememb founder word life ministri rememb name jack wertzen and found that illustr that gave wasn illustr that talk barber and barber wife and daughter had recent save and comment jack sing song and read bibl vers and prais thi and that can stand jack you god send hell jack answer barber you mean that you can stand live home your wife and daughter sing hymn and prais god you heaven for etern you miser god love you put you match you make man crucifixion jesu christ fact that necessit etern exist hell cross perform etern act don don god and infinit etern and di di infinit etern death that etern act that purchas etern life for whosoev will suffer etern judgment lot peopl detour hell save eventu univers bibl separ sheep goat you die probationari period god prepar you for heaven bibl that appoint men onc die and come judgment cultist annihil you die sssswish mosquito you squish rev told that etern exist hell heaven don enjoi make kind statement and you don enjoi listen preach entir word god place call hell give vers scriptur that give hope that peopl aren give you haven found that fact that place call hell fact that god god holi and judg sin fact that made kind creatur and respons fact that uni vers that purpos and design fact that sin such aw thing and fact that god hell save hell lead two applic mention you christian you worn not good stop and fix flat tire and not that bend bridg know terror lord persuad men you haven accept jesu your savior you take aw chanc jehovah wit longer frequent door you and wrong will live good life and will die and ceas exist and you wrong you will die and suffer etern damnat don mean make fun thi point dirti harri you feel lucki you man limit don whosoev wont sinner di for greater love thi that man lai life for anoth rex
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss find interest that cl never answer question pose make statement make shudder establish two tier god set rule for jew peopl and anoth set for save gentil peopl god discrimin jew accept jesu live gentil rule god set rule for peopl paul never law fact repeatedli that faith establish that annul law paul point german jew and greek law can never us instrument salvat and not combin ceremoni and moral law matt christ plainli and you that for jew benefit your christ politician speak side mouth paul not learn christ forget theologi jesu your excus will not hold court law earth god judgement hall dariu
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss normal protest interpret sundai not law and worship anoth dai not sin church free decid dai will meet free decid hour not sin worship dai you belong church that worship sundai and you show mondai you will worship alon clh total agre that sentiment you and advoc violat god set that question you not answer scriptur you can worship dai long you work god sabbath mine dariu
soc.religion.christian	hell articl apr atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write short poem god merci made fix pain hell lewi express idea that current haven find sourc that even hell express merci god limit amount separ and amount agoni that can achiev heard call express merci heaven agon for had reject god joe kellett jkellett netcom
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell atterlep vela ac oakland edu write two common thread run post atheist newsgroup and that can us explain each don direct quot handi atheist that die die forev true point you buddhist atheist god condemn fail etern death unfair don problem christian hell definit etern death exactli atheist expect die reason hell aw peopl etern death bad and hell etern death had relat etern damnat sinner will feel lick flame hell supposedli can feel flame assum aliv suffer and god liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such person don that peopl hell will thrust into flame expect jesu doubl edg sword issu mouth treat state ment metaphor jehovah wit similar view bodi sleep for don problem condemn hell god punish for honest skeptic that for doesn exist wouldn chang natur spend etern hell besid god heaven know even man spend etern life scorch for wrongdo stephen atheist libertarian pro individu pro respons and that jazz
soc.religion.christian	cathol church poland write paper role cathol church poland can thi fill recent book articl english german french import for role church abort law religi educ school birth control and relat church state govern masja zwart rug
soc.religion.christian	proof resurect articl apr geneva rutger edu smayo world std scott mayo write christian flame resurrect disprov didn paul write that resurrect not true biggest fool whether you christ not teach love your brotherman even secular level great deal allevi problem todai world even rabid atheist couldn deni that jeff johnson jcj tellab
soc.religion.christian	daili vers not becom weari good for proper time will reap harvest not give galatian
soc.religion.christian	sex educ joe kellett jkellett netcom wrote bit delet told that plan parenthood siecu style valu free method that teach contracept technolog and advis kid make choic increas pregnanc rate post long articl thi back and will happi email copi interest research produc result that abstin relat curricula found decreas pregnanc rate teen assum that reason assum that aid rate will fluctuat pregnanc rate fascin such evid send your articl neg side suspect that such simplist link abstin educ decreas pregnanc contracept educ increas pregnanc fals guess largest proport liber sex educ western world highest teenag pregnanc rate correct guess wrong bruce stephen bruce liverpool
soc.religion.christian	certainti and arrog articl apr geneva rutger edu kilroi gboro rowan edu nanci sweeti write call rexlex claim that loop not bother explain prefer paraphras sartr rambl wittgenstein and that conclus argument lead relativ will answer thi find time rexlex suggest that peopl read and not silent franci schaeffer didn highli that schaeffer grossli overr evangel christian don opinion stop you read interest opinion suggest certainti ludwig wittgenstein darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu substanti number talk religion misc reader read wittgenstein post disappear understood wittgenstein disappear michael siemon notic thi book call easi read reason drop philosphi major ran into pharisa simon don walk encyclopedia ran across philosphi class problem isn know sooooo your averag lai person problem come you becom puf schaeffer fine for averag lai person that writ suppos that you criticis john that gospel simpl talk schaeffer lectur man drill philosphi student and prof secular christian univers alon fill catagori answer that prof back and caus question thi time and time open forum schaeffer book larg simplist isn grad level read high hors come recommend read you peopl chapter wittgenstein thi secular scientist anoth time final doubt caus insist inquisit cannot live life constantli cartisian doubt base christian wholeheartedli support genuin ration add qualif give thi balanc christian second keep reason place never thing limit put unlimit and end you will exhaust thi xianiti ration not bit rationalist explain curiou fact that ration and not christian faith lead irration forget limit thing fly face realiti and condem ourselv learn simpl iron lesson life limit limit state freedom form becom form freedom put anoth ration faith implac oppos absurd quarrel mysteri that can differ two you will christian content ration not that reason that christian come faith understand and trust hand hand continu faith trust sometim call understand thi principl suspend judgment appli such time christian faith and god god suspend judgment and father not understand you trust you don read your object into that statement wasn not understand you trust you mean that not understand you thi situat understand trust you can trust that you understand even not mysteri unreliev ration and indistinguish absurd statement ration faith walk hand hand mysteri faith principl suspend judgment not irrat not leap faith walk faith believ cannot canalwai trust god and thi make differ obviou snag thi and thi part compani philosophi emin reason theori bit difficult practic practic pressur mysteri act faith insist why year isn that not that feel cannot produc frustrat curios deni lead genuin anguish specif poorer understand come faith will understand come faith not trust god will exactli god order trust fail grasp that not trust for not understand count decisev trust hand trust god will trust situat not understand xian leader teach christian had window back head for understand foot fall for god ambigu will not inher contradictori mysteri mysteri inscrut insuffer absurd and that friend conclus nietzch theori and practic rex
soc.religion.christian	phone number wycliff translat concern recent post wbt sil thought pretti denounc wing organ involv ideolog manipul and cultur interfer includ vietnam and south america commiss mexican academia denounc covert polit and ideolog institut us govt instrument control regul penetr espionag and repress concern that thi group accept and even praiseworthi reader soc religion christian import that christian don immedi accept christian organ automat reproach good heaven you mean good friend we collin wife and two small children into jungl guatemala despit danger primit condit and arm guerilla that indigen peopl group bibl nativ languag young man led bibl studi church daili demonstr and declar deep abid faith lord love you mean sneaki imperialist spy real reason for exploit and oppress ignor and unsuspect mass imagin surpris never thought thi terribl deceit discov exactli cultur interfer caught commit attempt persuad local that ancestr god fals god and sacrific includ human sacrific case vain destroi tradit lifestyl introduc steel tool medic vaccin and durabl cloth and denounc terribl shock hear that friend we nice such deceit tool devil provid specif document thi charg risk that not mark
soc.religion.christian	hell black sabbath file thi weekend ran across lyric rock group that content two black sabbath master realiti thi for music and earli ask question signific jethro tull anoth ask and wrote thing that caus rex forev you thought your soul can save perhap you that you dead you stai you grave god thought you read book you school you death you lose your breath you your cool you pope end rope you fool truth light and chang wai and prepar you lone and scare end your dai you afraid your friend knew you believ god realiz criticis that god love your mind small that you fall pack wherev run will you sneer death and worship sun true peopl you that crucifi christ sad opinion you had voic will you your dai you don you had chanc you turn you can retriev perhap you you that god dead open your ey realiz that can save you thi sin and hate will you jeer you hear late lord thi world you search for your mind don start can find kei fit lock your heart you you you never quit your soul ill you will not find cure your world made for you you choos evil wai love you made master world you exist soul you not even miss lord world evil possessor lord thi world your confessor you you innoc you noth fear you don you isn clear you turn your worldli greed and pride will you turn your turn die
soc.religion.christian	divin provid murphi law articl apr atho rutger edu rolf junior dsu edu tim rolf write roman rsv that god work for good love call purpos murphi law can wrong will quit familiar amplif and commentari murphi law harmon that roman for that matter humor contradict scriptur christian and christian laugh thi quot exagger feel not true christian that god trust christoph email csw william edu
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell articl apr atho rutger edu atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write don problem christian hell definit etern death exactli atheist expect die reason hell aw peopl etern death bad liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such person don that peopl hell will thrust into flame expect jesu doubl edg sword issu mouth treat statement metaphor phew that take load don want live forev christian held thi view you can walk across campu spring assail fire and brimston preacher metaphor limit respect teach children crimin put idea into young and trust mind not reli posit aspect your religion win faith tim timothi brent man will come true happi brent bank ecn purdu edu accept that small part infinit univers purdu univers spinoza materi scienc engin paraphras
soc.religion.christian	intoler etern life etc apolog thi articl slightli confus and late origon draft didn make moder quot screen violenc you rememb articl respond make senc articl geneva rutger edu jsledd ssdc sa upenn edu jame sledd write xian netter god bless you for heathan netter feel left deletia tabl content intro homosexu incred chop post deletia incorrect attribut you your attribut wrong you respond articl dan johnson articl atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write deletia free gift speil nuke moder fiat find that dissatisfi purpos that can manufactur for ourselv cosmic sens cosmic senc live cosmic senc not cosmicli don even exist for practic purpos can us cosmic senc stuff guid life don bother luckili for mortal senc scale you can talk human senc you can big purpos even greatest great pharo long pyramid histor odditi worn wind eventu turn into dust influenc aristotl confuci alexand ceasar and countless work perish chang histori and human exist deed cannot come noth even utterli forgotten mankind will dai perish dai sure you second come not that time can make differ interconnected that transcend physic god pointless end end end point you can muster and that end come will gee don jame sledd deed gonna make differ ulitm will made differ great small end your end etern worthwhil peopl live that and for purpos success monei power effect chang help suffic ey behold suppos never cosmic scale put mind don doubt thought cosmic scale and not mean todai comfort that realiti illus not find thi comfort perhap definit relev term realiti that real illus that not real real object exist for realiti illus mean that real not real that object exist not object exist object exist can conclud that you want contradict that thing object exist problem thi that object exist noth cogito ergo sum and that perhap you not mean that mean object realiti unreach human not bad and true that true realiti underneath physic spirit realiti illus isn true realiti illus and true realiti spirit doen that make spirit illus not distinctli confus thi get posit buddhist that thi world school sort learn and grow and soul matur that hell statement perhap true you mean impli that intend show that thi true not explain thi can give purpos that purpos purpos that wouldn world school intent idea make world prepar for greater purpos purpos and take pressur pressur not make thi life success human term you learn not success human term your goal includ requir can achiv peopl set goal for that not includ success human term understand check yer buddhist monk type gui for nirvana not thing import progress grow persist learn love and and express your love dificult honest effort reward god limit learn love goal happen you fail thi goal you god mysteri purpos deletia question immortailti and answer delet quot two question invit discuss natur etern life can mortal lock into space time conceiv answer for can metaphor analog question metaphor crack that natur etern life neatli describ name concept life death life end can put togeth word describ cannot imagin metaphor adequ etern not understand suspect dan johnson and god jeez thi dull and dull genesi opinion show
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss articl apr atho rutger edu pharvei quack kfu paul harvei write prioriti direct word jesu matt paul begin roman weak faith you count weak faith you count weak faith you read jesu word matt doubt your mind and sin greek hamartia miss mark doubt your mind and miss mark clear that not unambigu proof that regular christian worship dai respons passag cite ten command and jesu word matt fairli clear not clear you doubt don that paul can overrul god import step realiz that paul human paul write for larg gentil audienc and write and speak for audienc that weak faith not read unfamiliar hebrew scriptur even septuagint form paul adapt messag bibl larg uneduc market grant thi market exist todai you count part weak faith not miss mark hamartia you that your educ you law regard jew time and bind jew not gentil rule that bind human be call noachic law quit minim make clear that law pentateuch genesi exodu leviticu number deuteronomi jesu law matt jesu that law appli jew and that gentil law issu that church had face jesu death gentil want follow christ decis not impos law didn that law abolish simpli acknowledg that fact that didn appli gentil acknowledg thi fact basi extra biblic thi point not acknowledg that bhagavad gita relev text for gentil bibl that magu east observ star sign jesu bother text not follow church contradict mat don you can thi straight face you follow christ you follow you that word jesu appli jew can paul and jewish christian continu particip jewish worship sabbath continu obei law jewish paul chang name saul issu and gentil christian not cover law not ceremoni aspect gentil christian not cover book that gentil christian ten command jesu dealt jew can assum that mat direct jewish audienc you impli that jesu word valid for jew thi you mean you realiz that you gut larg portion bibl you read jesu word you that jesu talk you matter your race sex hebrew scriptur and gospel account jesu direct jew translat into english interact gentil time centurion slave heal and coupl term us describ centurion luke suggest that god fearer gentil god had not adopt jewish law paul call weak faith commend jewish elder worthi person and jesu accept such thi that jesu accept prevail view that gentil not accept law import record word jesu indic that you can deduc bibl jesu god jew god humankind race and sex involv you want compar jesu and paul law order full pictur role law come grip paul appar reject law and that relat jesu commend law read paul that law serv purpos that sens superced thi your understand paul compar thi word jesu you christian paulin thi issu isn abolit law middl discuss paul note that understood thi and assur that that not intend see law primarili present convict peopl sin ultim imposs standard and that superced christ thi your understand paul jesu that law imposs standard jesu that superced law you christian paulin paul comment not world clearest and not agre read you acknowledg that your read paul jesu can you deni that matt quit clear mean you christian paulin interest thing notic that even thi radic posit not entail abolit law remain uncompromis standard not iota dot remov for purpos convict sin import that not relax jesu that purpos law convict sin for christian not end ultim live faith not law reread matt you christian paulin jesu interpret emphas intent law and stai ceremoni detail you that ten command ceremoni detail paul conclus similar talk law superced specif exampl involv ceremoni law such circumcis and sabbath quit concern maintain moral standard you call observ sabbath dai lord rest ceremoni circumcis superced for christian you christian paulin doubt mind sin and not not thi case jesu not deal explicitli question whether law bind gentil that cite evid such jesu dealt centurion gener jewish view thi depend larg studi paulin theologi schoep and author can come moment author jew christian and christian jew discuss issu and newsgroup mat clear that law valid not that appli gentil and that specif requir for worship sabbath ten command ceremoni detail you oblig gentil similarli circumcis not quit can thi subject unfortun jesu didn answer question directli cent jewish approach jesu dealt gentil and jesu discipl dealt issu acut refer act paul that agreement don that big problem clh
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell apr atho rutger edu atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write two common thread run post atheist newsgroup and that can us explain each don direct quot handi atheist that die die forev correctli peopl die ceas exist god condemn fail etern death unfair don problem christian hell definit etern death exactli atheist expect die idea that christian hell heaven afterlif you don ceas exist subject etern tortur that orthodox idea etern death you prefer that atheist don sort afterlif liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such person don that peopl hell will thrust into flame expect jesu doubl edg sword issu mouth treat state ment metaphor safe that hell never intend metaphor not equival ceas exist christian concept metaphor your idea hell centuri interpret nice that even christian evolv fit worldview modern ag fear church will not accept understand per hap you accept that hell metaphor you step closer turn god into metaphor antti lahelma mtf saha hut gnothi seauton lehtoti stel purkki apu helsinki jumalat ovat pakanoil suosiollisia tunn itsesi
soc.religion.christian	soc religion christian arrog christian previou messag freenet carleton mark baker write don belief and belief wrong don belief thi simpli belief mean stuff delet thi pretti arog definit belief belief thing find true base experi world thi experi includ studi thing that not experienc directli even can understand studi extent can relat studi back experienc mean that belief god directli relat experi god experienc god make sens that experi studi religion and read bibl find thing that echo experienc thi build belief find thing that don match experi that doesn make fals don match experi will understand that stuff don belief wrong can chang belief belief that mine necessarili wrong make sens set experi even explan and belief talk even discov that underli experi similar peopl approach religion truth that can exist form and singl revel dogmat and inflex belief system arrog will outsid anoth approach god mysteri solv mysteri evid arriv understand that can base evid evid chang understand encount belief isn threat opportun perhap discov thi mysteri can never fulli comprehend peac will taber william taber will taber opinion express data gener corp will futon webo mine alon and westboro mass chang notic your dream laid rest you can second hard david wilcox
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write atheist that die die forev god condemn fail etern death unfair don problem christian hell definit etern death exactli atheist expect die that christian that your concious will continu your physic death contradict atheist includ that your concious contain your brain di your brain di reason hell aw peopl etern death bad fear pain that come process dy sinc won worri don fear etern death liter interpret bibl will problem thi view sinc bibl talk fire hell and such thi found confus your nerv end die your physic bodi flame hurt you can wail and gnash teeth lung and teeth mark schnitziu schnitzi eola ucf edu univers central florida
soc.religion.christian	latest branch davidian you will new time you read thi branch davidian compound thi morn fed punch hole compound wall tank start lethal tear ga shortli noon cult member set fire compound peopl compound fate peopl unknown fate children that insid compound burn ground koresh time claim messiah back and claim prophet had promis time come peacefulli demand met demand that messag broadcast radio didn come claim wait for messag god final that god told that need deciph mysteri seal revel and finish come finish didn work that sinc feder agent warn that didn come subject tear ga sad that peopl put faith mere man even claim son god and prophet underscor import put you faith thing that etern and know for scriptur and mean reli for you even learn and mean paul conditt
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell articl atho rutger edu atterlep vela ac oakland edu cardin ximenez write two common thread run post atheist newsgroup and that can us explain each don direct quot handi atheist that die die forev god condemn fail etern death unfair don problem christian hell definit etern death exactli atheist expect die thi problem thi not hell thi perman death atheist gener expect and fair unfair you argu whether made carbon and water fair atheist claim that hell unfair talk fire and brimston place endless suffer necessarili includ etern exist life dunno sort continu not thing grant you feel that hell death thi not univer sentiment can your idea god condemn heathen ordinari death problem that problem god that hide human and tortur unbeliev etern for not guess deletia hell and liter dan johnson and god jeez thi dull and dull genesi opinion show
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl atho rutger edu seanna bnr seanna watson write articl apr atho rutger edu johnsd rpi edu write articl atho rutger edu jayn mmalt guild org jayn kulikauska write thi effect substanc abus recoveri program involv meet peopl spiritu you want provid evid time you make claim thi step program alcohol anonym step involv acknowled higher power and step abus recoveri program acknowledg effect deletia and unclear ask thi show that effect substanc absur recoveri program involv meetinsg peopl spiritu attempt fill peopl spiritu perciev peopl regular snoopi thi will involv defin spritual not that clear and show that such thing exist and can fill annoth tack you that fulfil spiritu mean acknowledg higher power sort show that system that requir thi work ident system that not correl you you point thi demonstr swap crutch for annoth feel that religion crutch alchohol not poison hope that clarif question will answer step program question that make differ dan johnson and god jeez thi dull and dull genesi opinion show
soc.religion.christian	refus divin peac and aliv prayer question mari refus god kingdom come jesu revel thi centuri thing dai peopl refus messeng even aliv earth refus talk paraphras knowledg believ accumul that enlighten detect authent and divin oppos evil man made sign miracl you afraid that not god that sign not open heart and mind for think evil faith god evil true peac evil true love that divin and pure evil can accept that god can fulfil gener love and jesu never end forgiv turn back for salvat refus god messeng thi truth mother christ bring fear shame will contrari pleas god fear humbl fear judg wrong wrt mainstream standard can toler believ mockeri ridicul for sake peac love and obedi god humbl lesson left martyr and saint engag never end bicker and disproof each opinion each mistak for sake argument communion bodi christ make blind truth that god power and that can not bind peopl wrote and written ag faith god limit word and literatur muster prevent save and extend god rich love not ey not wide open that continu see faith hope and love glorifi and indic acknowledg sign miracl ordinari common divin inspir isn that atheist agnost view that ordinari earth and not caus supernatur holi mother come back remind accept that prayer thing and that prayer even war can prevent continu you egotist attitud dear children dai you prai your hand remain empti hesit proclaim prayer convers peac penanc fast holi mass live life gospel bring not world thi mother start your famili good exampl live word worri good us holi mother fruit leav lord not worri entrust lord holi mother not insist you free bow freedom god you follow thi you surpris you decid for god and you live thi dai constantli convei thi life god experi lord your behavior and not you prai time decid that save talk write god etc holi mother warn satan serpent dissuad you turn you peac plan and prayer rev dragon angri woman and wage war rest offspr god command and bear wit jesu you fear hate for god current messeng true peac love and motherli protector anti christ apprehens commun war famin and evil that serpent bring thi obedi and bless ev mother warn can prepar and strong satan haven renew faith hope love peac and obedi wherev thi messeng share bless and grace that god good purpos choos blind fear truth that god give chanc and share christ forget forgiv obedi mother mother consecr task revers disobedi harm and exampl ancient ev prepar eden immacul heart eden sanctuari womb for come and judgement righteou lord jesu christ lamb marri bride shouldn give hand exhaust job prepar for second come son conceiv sin bear son god womb fear true peac love and renew faith and obedi god that mari faithfulli bring god children protect flock rest offspr greedi dragon present righteou member for son come not apparit and miracl that result worthi belief prayer and guidanc holi spirit and approv church author awar true and divin inspir specif align scriptur ladi remind recommend silenc prayer you speak unceasingli your prayer will you hear god room answer you speak you encourag motherli nurtur continu exuber faith hope and love jesu constantli not mere emot deep constant obedi jesu belov son and acknowledg part live not wait last minut renew faith and life that god live won time will late nowadai mari prai prai prai for peac reconcili children peac you can promot peac for peac you can not fulli accept son and you ordinari ladi not good mother messeng god and nice share god kingdom son and experi mari assur that lamb succe note enclos quot latest new medjugorj number june rene laurentin mother eden pure prepar sanctuari for true christian cleans peac for god kingdom come bring your love protect and obedi church that belong bodi your son jesu christ lord and not astrai perfect complet prai that ourselv prai holi spirit guid that you strength conquer enemi your son you prepar for your immacul heart
soc.religion.christian	good thi dumb christian that can never live requir god wrong that understand doesn spend live reach goal can never achiev that save faith and not work that mean that onc save don jame tell that faith work dead paraphras thi work short repli can never achiev perfect health strive for don seek god will forc follow reason hard flaw not unreason seek follow want improv ourselv and live mark
soc.religion.christian	tuff christian realiz that frequent get troubl for strai orthodoxi opinion articl apr geneva rutger edu mdb uki edu name write buddha that intrins good christ sinner never thought two idea each peopl quibbl intrins mean reason sinner not behav good messag christ that each not good great that can approach perfect albeit perhap techniqu you claim buddhism teach not realiz great sin peter had problem walk water doubt crept doesn david psalm man that you god care for you made lower angel exager mind scrawni kid david exager gigant monster goliath david power easili defeat goliath rememb rich young man come jesu and ask can enter kingdom jesu follow command pictur smug face that life anticip attaboi messiah jesu harder task sell and follow jesu rais bar descipl can thi hard even for rich peopl jesu can god jesu not can avoid kill peopl can avoid get angri peopl not can avoid commit adulteri can control desir realiz thi not your main point peopl thi part question you becom christian you had not indoctrin your parent you never learn religion make compar studi and claim you brain wash forgiv gener make your point hard religion good your part question tough question that muslim worship god can learn name submiss hindu and buddhist and taoist etc claim that god imperson god person imperson answer whichev greater greater person entiti individu conscious you that that cultur bia admit that god person natur concept imperson natur hindu concept jesu fit into hindu cosmolog wouldn problem that hard imagin present eastern religion member comment chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss gener question sinc world discov round definit saturdai not ambigu arbitrari answer thi calendar chang gregorian julian dai week chang date onc thi point arbitrari dai chri mussack calendar chang chang dai weekli cycl month and date clh
soc.religion.christian	sspx schism articl apr geneva rutger edu jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler write descript true and fals obedi obedi not sole matter complianc refus natur command into account not complianc refus and whether obedi disobedi you into consider whether command good bad you echo that question not contenti assum that pope univers jurisdict and author author you reli for your decis prevent choos doctrin and that papal disagr error that will resolv time thi true sinc council bishop basic stood pope appear that li heart thi matter disagr tradit and tradit and author and disciplin question support sspx thi that your posit respect church reform chang and conform pope assum that pope posit not chang and that leader sspx don jointli make such choic not thi appear claim infal teach author adopt view that not wrong can wrong and chang mind you chang that left cathol church left orthodox church not recogn papal author jurisdict view author present each bishop and ecumen council regard subsequ develop doctrin papal author and jurisdict separ bishop rome orthodox church into merit great schism orthodox agre that split occur and don pali semant game pope don recogn that effect word appear facto split anoth arian heresi complet weak pope sspx priest modern martin luther answer that examin and tradit teach church sould argu second come real tradit teach church thi simpl matter east and west not separ for year cathol will decid side pope sound thi papaci infal eventu pope will straighten thi thought that teach magisterieum church not error teach faith and moral even short term wrong not roman cathol effect pope make cathedra statement sspx situat honor not you formal doctrin infal not content understand sinc orthodox real vest interest outcom schism superset disobedi refus obei legitim command schismat disobedi superset doesn work not disobey schismat mere fact that sspx priest don compli holi father desir doesn make schismat command legitim sspx not view pope command legitim thi slipperi slope problem thi thi tradit theologi holi order episcop consecr not confer jurisdict confer power order abil confect sacrament true jurisdict confer power confer such pope societi bishop know tradit theologi quit great pain avoid pretenc jurisdict simpli confer sacrament that requir bishop argu that establish geograph jurisdict don that even concept problem cathol circl larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	lose your temper not christian trait articl apr atho rutger edu ruthless panix ruth ditucci write tale sign fruit that give christian net repli acrid angri and sarcast net villag laugh two profess born christian verbal attack peopl won christian and had origin join discuss spiritu hungri answer question sweet and sincer chrisitan net warrior flame queri agre basic sentiment that snide unlov and ineffect disturb formul that ill temper not christian trait fals argument that displai trait not christian sin christian christian nonetheless anger human and christian human christian angri and defens and react badli not perfect righteous effort seek righteous that mark dedic christian and greatest gift faith that seek and accept forgiv for failur expect flawless behavior isn christian perfection
soc.religion.christian	question christian previou articl bach udel edu steven hoskin write question can recommend good read list theolog work intend for lai person recommend essenti truth christian faith sproul copywrit tyndal hous publish sproul offer concis explan simpl languag christian doctrin group subject good for newer christian and older christian suffer spiritu malnutrit biblic sound basic treatment issu avoid long depth analysi that can wait you basic dave weaver fool cannot weaver chdasic sp mot gain cannot lose jim elliot
soc.religion.christian	god shape hole accept jeesu your heart peopl involv figur us phrase god shape hole clh god shape vacuum that effect gener attribut blais pascal want can you god shape vacuum insid you god fact infinit omnipres name andrew jame fraser mail fraseraj dc gla es student univers glasgow standard disclaim don you you tad liter thi metaphor clh
soc.religion.christian	interfaith wed last week post similar question alt wed come search deeper level answer fianc lutheran and cathol plan get marri church live and plan move month call cathol priest find need order for marriag recogn church needless that found that hard and fast rule come cathol law for interfaith wed interpret pretti that can marri problem trick li letter dispens that not main differ lutheran and cathol religion priest mumbl eucharist understood heard that two religion combin two appreci bill bill burn internet wdburn mtu edu mac network system administr applelink shadow appl student rep mtu band togeth friend mearcilessli crush enemi into past had cathol protest argument recent that not accept renew suggest respons email controversi happi posit summari import cathol and lutheran belief thing for faq collect not for anoth battl clh
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl apr atho rutger edu freenet carleton mark baker write ask you thing not visibl don thi believ blindli not you decid advanc that your reason will act evid physic sens you cut reason possibl reach conclus physic sphere think and you will
soc.religion.christian	good articl apr atho rutger edu armstrng dal stan armstrong write articl jxo spss luomat alleg edu write thi dumb christian that can never live requir god wrong that understand doesn spend live reach goal can never achiev that save faith and not work that mean that onc save don jame tell that faith work dead paraphras thi work long that good thing come want miss point love god come love and love find that not good not sign even harder roman sign seek god awar jesu presenc want strenth love that empow weak stan armstrong religi studi dept saint mari univers halifax armstrong huski stmari att clyde watmath water dalc armstrng apolog moder quot delet and respond for goal can never achiev reward come paul make clear claim that continu strain for prize philippian not live command stagnat and becom lukewarm spit jesu john thi love for god obei comand that obedi strain achiev for god thi requir work part for quot jame satan doesn care matter result belief work faith believ will act that faith ly oneself believ place stan for your line you good point obedi oblig grudgeri not god desir time bibl talk joyou situat and god work begrudg work work whenev can not feel jesu presenc feel can deceiv paul state timothi timothi preach word prepar season and season correct rebuk and encourag great patienc and care instruct rememb that paul tell timothi timothi watch your life and doctrin close persever you you will save and your hearer order work that correct rememb jesu warn matthew not hypocrit accomplish thi discipl complet thought and deed joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	librari congress host dead sea scroll symposium april librari congress host dead sea scroll symposium april nation and assign desk daybook editor contact john sullivan luci suddreth librari congress washington april symposium dead sea scroll will held librari congress wednesdai april and thursdai april two dai program cosponsor librari and baltimor hebrew univers addit support project judaica foundat will held librari mumford room sixth floor madison build seat limit and admiss session symposium request write note symposium will held week public open major exhibit scroll dead sea ancient librari qumran and modern scholarship that open librari congress april view will fragmentari scroll and archaeolog artifact excav qumran loan israel antiqu author approxim item librari congress special collect will augment materi exhibit view madison galleri aug made gener gift project judaica foundat washington dead sea scroll focu public and scholarli interest sinc discov desert mile east jerusalem symposium will explor origin and mean scroll and current scholarship scholar divers academ background and religi affili will offer dispar view ensur live discuss symposium schedul includ open remark april librarian congress jame billington and norma furst presid baltimor hebrew univers chair symposium joseph baumgarten professor rabbin literatur and institut baltimor hebrew univers and michael grunberg head hebraic section librari congress geza verm professor emeritu jewish studi oxford univers will give keynot address current state scroll research focus stand todai second dai close address will shmaryahu talmon will propos research agenda pick theme qumran studi proce wednesdai april speaker will includ eugen ulrich professor hebrew scriptur univers notr dame and chief editor biblic scroll qumran bibl qumran michael stone nation endow for human distinguish visit professor religi studi univers richmond dead sea scroll and pseudepigrapha special preview exhibit will symposium particip and guest thursdai april begin speaker will includ magen broshi curat shrine book israel museum jerusalem qumran archaeolog evid kyle mccarter albright professor biblic and ancient eastern studi john hopkin univers copper scroll lawrenc schiffman professor hebrew and judaic studi york univers dead sea scroll and histori judaism and jame vanderkam professor theologi univers notr dame messian scroll and earli christian thursdai afternoon session includ devorah dimant associ professor bibl and ancient jewish thought univers haifa qumran manuscript librari jewish commun norman golb rosenberg professor jewish histori and civil orient institut univers chicago current statu jerusalem origin scroll shmaryahu talmon magna professor emeritu biblic studi hebrew univers jerusalem essenti commun renew coven qumran studi proce will close symposium will ampl time for question and answer period end each session wednesdai april librari congress and israel antiqu author will hold lectur esther boyd alkalai consult conserv israel antiqu author preserv dead sea scroll mumford room jame madison memori build librari congress independ av washington note for inform admiss symposium contact write michael grunberg head hebraic section african and middl eastern divis librari congress washington canada remot system toronto ontario
soc.religion.christian	sabbath admiss articl apr atho rutger edu dlecoint garnet acn fsu edu dariu lecoint write you cannot show scriptur that weekli sabbath part ceremoni law you post text repli investig context ceremoni law extrascriptur term sometim us framework view scriptur you collos into assumpt that sabbath cannot ceremoni law you will that refer sabbath paul write collos that christ nail law that cross and not judg food eat drink keep moon and holi dai keep sabbath word for sabbath thi vers sabbaton and us testament refer dai scriptur idea ceremoni law thi and sabbath list ceremoni law into thi fundament assumpt sabbath cannot ceremoni law will find that thi can refer sabbath holi dai dai sabbath cannot ceremoni law paul care letter add kind parenthetc statement that can liscenc sin write sabbath absent epistl for hebrew talk rest that come faith sure big problem for centuri christian live societi that not rest dai slave converst slave difficult for slave rest sabbath had mandatori mention thi epistl link hudson
soc.religion.christian	atheist view christian accept jeesu your heart articl apr atho rutger edu kempmp phoenix oulu petri pihko write jason smith jason atlastel wrote discuss begin univers exist law natur and effect dictat thi layman mind causal event reason altern exist argu that causal properti spacetim preced effect and conced effect impli time time part spacetim hens argument valid return and that thi not infer and effect relationship uniqu thi spacetim won point moot doesn address petri pikho address below conced that doubli remiss assert reason altern exist subject statement part and that invalid time and discoveri scientist understand that prove theori not necessarili that thi happen propos like descript phenomena question mistaken thi understand you claim that answer univers spacetim emerg noth scienc good candid for answer requir christian readili admit faith fact that candid beli that conclus conclus evid left faith even argu that hypothes dai proven repeat event can proven hold todai belief that correct faith coupl paragraph delet summari univers exist thi question split into two part exist exist and univers emerg noth clear scienc noth question meaning question isn appar for person religion question exist can counter demand answer question noth nothing exist question turn devoid mean thing that exist and thing that don exist don exist tautolog carefulli examin origin question and counter question ask second request for definit doesn address not exist ask defin lack exist second question unanswer for identifi noth aren mutual exclus term identifi state exist thi near limit thi simpl layman abil comprehend and explan add worldview thing that exist and thing that don don ground realm falsifi theist belief god base assumpt that not reason for ultim support posit reason foundat exist soil that claim reason come thi for reason satisfactori answer you for you satisfi and not doctor your search begin doubt god answer thi question time will christian talk that god exist problem thi answer inevit lead conclus that god exist good and evil devil and angel and thi pantheism not christian agre lead question definit christian anoth answer that god sourc exist thi sound tempt god exist god sourc exist can mean that term human time exist thi not sourc exist thi not preclud exist seek identifi qualiti impli exist qualiti btw answer heard that human reason incap understand such question atheist not accept such answer sinc not method theist come statement faith for thi posit assum that evid hand conclus note not argu scientif endeavor for scienc for understand univers exist differ atheist matter perspect seek understand exist understand and art creator discov scienc inadequ tool answer appear that pihko agre tool inadequ answer question not preclud question assert that invalid question not provid answer can law natur demand that isn true natur super natur thi not true scienc collect model tell not happen cannot good reason question bound natur thing assum that supernatur domain exist supernatur be exist exist apolog thi come pre exist becom exist pre spacetim becom spacetim come admiss that scienc fail answer can answer realm modern scienc that make question invalid don technolog produc that spark life despit part opinion thi opinion call vital that live system fundament inanim system christian gener adopt thi posit happen scientist announc creat primit life small bacteria lab suppos thing galileo capernicu vindic start jump and scream inquisit note vindic hope shoot messeng stage pihko present good point individu christian base faith will shaken product evid that shatter sacr cow will seek understand discoveri disagre god and continu word apolog budweis and compani jason jason smith jason atlastel not young
soc.religion.christian	justifi war exist thought pacifist side kill defend innoc justifi kill defens can turn cheek turn that jesu had meant teach pacif made posit explicit didn centurion leav armi for instanc and full militari metaphor pacifist side appar earli christian refus fight roman armi state that refus choic not clear whether object war per object roman polici modern warfar imposs direct attack combat bomb convent and nuclear kill lot civilian hard whether war justifi time take decad for requisit inform becom gener public email repli thi meant contribut public discuss and want repli repli publicli michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	divin provid murphi law articl apr atho rutger edu rolf junior dsu edu tim rolf write roman rsv that god work for good love call purpos murphi law can wrong will quit familiar amplif and commentari murphi law harmon that roman for that matter humor contradict scriptur murphi law exhort prudenc and observ behavior complex system denial divin benevol michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	messiah comment articl desire bradlei clh koresh public statement not clear that claim christ koresh origin claim christ back and prophet latest new cdt waco that fed broke wall compound tank new that thi time paul
soc.religion.christian	question author chri mussack write for peopl insist question author holocaust spanish inquisit jonestown name author sometim peopl evil thing peopl follow order tortur and kill larg number and protest innoc your author start tell you thing you question for situat press shut hatch submarin fill water reason author give justif that you can understand listen author answer interest question psycholog pressur and order you want read studi solomon ash conform and anoth stanlei milgram obedi good book psycholog sociolog result fascin and terrifi darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu told told told told peter gabriel
soc.religion.christian	christian parent for post thi mail bounc will and prai will read thi respons aunt kid sinc sociolog student and research into young offend group children rais home moment formlul inform disciplin christian home you parent thi catagori can you email your respons questionair respons will treat confidenti and will us prepar stat post thi for good christian rel not mail access sinc thi aunt and uncl kid felt relev ag sex children year twin boi boi girl you spank your kid don call spank rare don call spank reaction danger such stick finger fan run into road time for each for girl not spank call that hurt feel and give hug and stuff ensur love you us implement spank that pain traumat never recal punish and take time toolmean you not and that lessen impact emot for child evidenc fact that slap rear hurt for perhap second call spank you not spank method disciplin you us lot logic consequ for instanc matthew dare good friend jump treehous push made didn plai togeth for dai that make lose friend quickli never that sinc us time room us timer don argu leav sinc hard argu macin will close door and timeout won calm tantrumi us top stair young your ag your locat bath ohio akron northeast part ohio ag you commit crimin offenc and kid dream hope you can us thi teach parent that physic punish isn requir parent us that excus hit hard er you disciplin kid lot timeout us famili and husband never us spank fact grandmoth law kid and almost never spank thi turn centuri and afoul law man made god law jesu refer small child hold that bibl thing kind and merci and love colossian room for selfish anger admit tempt time felt spank hard anger kid deserv slap rear devil work feel temptat and angrili order kid room and room prai and ask god forgiv calmer and not feel spank felt that had punish doug fowler dxf cwru edu ag mommi and daddi casei rel give lot hug love miss strike poem support heaven great ran and made big hug that last forev and
soc.religion.christian	phone number wycliff translat articl apr geneva rutger edu mprc troi rochest edu price write concern recent post wbt sil thought pretti denounc wing organ involv ideolog manipul and cultur interfer includ vietnam and south america commiss mexican academia denounc covert polit and ideolog institut us govt instrument control regul penetr espionag and repress person quit wycliff bibl translat organ fundament purpos translat scriptur into nativ languag term usual mean learn and develop written languag teach nativ read not associ govt govern want translat knowledg mexican govern encourag come idea not cultur interfer present good new understand suggest you read book autobiograph and biograph translat that stand mind excel call peac child thi give true pictur mission concern that thi group accept and even praiseworthi reader soc religion christian import that christian don immedi accept christian organ automat reproach agre thi statement cannot accept into issu that take suddan discuss cia etc true side cathi bareiss
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari fari trl aziz fari write helllo netter told bibl that god bodi virgin mari carri for burial thi true bibl that regard fari you talk assumpt bless virgin mari that immacul mother god virgin mari complet earthli life assum bodi and soul into heavenli glori thi defin papal statement had believ that immacul concept thi primarili roman cathol doctrin and direct biblic support note that cathol not sola scriptura that not that bibl sourc christian knowledg fact that doctrin biblic support not necessarili signific that truth can pass tradit church and that can reveal church not interest anoth cathol protest argument cathol can basi for belief clh find want respond post and time proper materi you learn lesson finish write thesi and don ton time basi for cathol church belief assumpt mari bodi and soul into heaven that put simpli apostl and earli gener christian believ fact ministri apostl close contact mari and present di thoma miss arriv dai ask shown bodi and move piti peter and apostl brought tomb arriv seal unbroken broke seal enter and bodi miss sign that had enter forcibl and laid exactli had left apostl present believ that mari assum into heaven and apostl taught thi preach thi not text consid part bibl write left basicali apostol church found apostl that teach apostl whether written bibl written sourc true provid that authent sourc can confirm case assumpt mari authent quit clear hope thi help inform add mike walker mdw uxa cso uiuc edu univ illinoi
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl atho rutger edu fari trl aziz fari write you talk assumpt bless virgin mari that immacul mother god virgin mari complet earthli life assum bodi and soul into heavenli glori thi defin papal statement had believ that clh true not basi belief wide held belief laiti church and support lead declar true basic teach infal hold that pope infal matter faith and doctrin colleg bishop likewis infal and laiti pope get attent critic consensu bodi equal infal teach joe moor
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept biblic basi for immacul concept will put enmiti you serpent and woman and your seed and seed can read crush your head and you bruis heel genesi commit sin devil john hail full grace greek kecharitomen lord thee luke prove doctrin immacul concept god proto evangel genesi promis savior will redeem mankind wile satan satan murder begin and not stood truth truth john proto evangel promis thing enmiti satan and woman and enmiti satan and seed woman ev point refer and mari second ev seed jesu christ and enmiti satan mari enmiti satan know that jesu christ sinless hebrew can conclud that mari sinless wasn not enmiti devil john tell and relat sinless christ sinless call into question god verac for god promis enmiti mari and serpent and not for god lie deciev second angel greet mari call archangl gabriel full grace point thi greek word kecharitomen mean not full grace plenitud perfect grace sens grasp footnot jerusalem bibl hail you and reamin fill grace that long reduc full grace and you mari had fill grace moment concept moment salvat death year admit that that god doctrin immaclut concept and god free contact sin mother and bibl record thi fact father church such john damascu augustin hippo ambros and complet agreement christian tradit and infal declar pope matter ineffibilu deu andi byler
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl geneva rutger edu mmh dc qmw matthew huntbach write claim don authent case peopl make prolong speech real languag don observ speak tongu practic noth thi simpl test peopl can speak languag chines russian german english gift start speak toungu audienc understand gift nativ languag gift can hear speak languag work everytim perhap gift glorifi god perhap wit real miracl mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
soc.religion.christian	babylon book offer time time made refer book call two babylon book written alexand hislop mid babylonian mysteri religion and flight histori unabl put time read found dry number refer and illustr you interest purchas your copi you can call moodi book store and order for and will ship you good book refer titl for your dig into mysteri religion found invalu for that purpos alon for want skim subject come highli recommend note brother and sister you find thi diatrib you find test origin and true natur origin rcism you offend that ask hard question your denomin whether not christian perhap you passov thi offer adventur for and contact you reason pro con scholorship thi book interest adelphoi christo rex
soc.religion.christian	march for jesu info area not larg march leav each congrag imo thi mean organ found difficult manag feel involv not cast stone involv lord not includ march thi year give messag lack jl jerri storr system manag tru dept chemic engin livin north carolina state univers tru raleigh even jesu watchin fax storr che ncsu edu prefer steven curti chapman
soc.religion.christian	record burn rgolder hoh mbl edu robert golder write movi version last temptat christ aw that practic influenc messag had not conserv loudli protest distribut unwittingli creat larger market for movi place christian sucess attempt film ban restrict show problem christian burn piec art find tragic wast problem attempt censor not view moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourk clive come retract foreskin misconcept jame triniti colleg dublin and appli wire brush enlighten geoffm brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker mike walker you standard formula fulli god and fulli human that not you object that jesu human usual analysi that sin not part basic definit human consequ fall jesu human not fallen human clh proper term for mike express monophysit thi heresi that condemn council chalcedon grew reaction nestorian held that son and jesu two peopl happen unit bodi temporarili monophysit held copt egypt and ethipoia and jacobit syria and armenian orthodox believ that jesu christ god correct that man correct that person correct that had natur and will and oen energi heret orthodox posit that had two natur and two will and two energi divin and human will perfect harmoni that mike across that jesu human form mike not human natur human will realiti had made subject origin sin interest note that monothelit reaction thi conflict and attempt solv problem admit two natur not two will two energi condemn late council constantinopl andi byler issu mighti subtl you peopl thing hard whether mean thing whether terminolog don question that problem nestoriu and agre that christ had human form real human natur will heret bit wari copt armenian etc recent discuss suggest that monophysit posit not orthodoxi had thought nestoriu extrem repres two major school thought moder repres regard orthodox theodor mopsuestia impress that modern monophysit group inherit entir tradit not nestoriu version and that suffici balanc posit regard orthodox clh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers god peac will crush satan your feet grace lord jesu you roman
soc.religion.christian	christ advoc poem advoc sin and straightwai posthast satan flew presenc high god and made rail accus thi soul thi thing clai and sod sin ti true that name thy name demand death for thou hast soul that sinneth die not thy sentenc fulfil justic dead send thi wretch sinner doom thing can righteou ruler satan accus dai and night and word spoke god true quickli rose god hand glori angel veil ey spoke each jot and tittl law fulfil guilti sinner di wait suppos guilt transfer and that paid penalti behold hand side feet dai made sin for and di that present faultless thy throne and satan flew full knew that not prevail such love for word dear lord spoke true martha snell nicholson heard thi poem read last night and want share subscrib thi newsgroup such wonder bless secur salvat lord jesu paid for not ow had debt not capabl pai and prais savior lord jesu christ seat hand majesti high make intercess for lian brown internet brownli ohsu edu
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl apr geneva rutger edu fsspr acad alaska edu wrote thi subject beaten death bit listserv christia recent madg step and close topic discuss sinc privat mail particip and receiv fairli larg file approx comment made march washington hasn post don scan thi newsgroup bp couldn possibl read glad send that interest peopl hope that rememb rev troi perri perform march washington will for inconceiv mix christian homosexu sean patrick ryan fsspr aurora alaska edu sean fred cojon you visit congreg christian happen homosexu that spirit fill believ not mcc you lump togeth troi perri lord work commun homosexu commun that not ask chang sexual natur call practic moral that establish begin isn satan haydai pit christian christian issu can homosexu reach homosexu for christ not chang bring christ doesn want gai can chang that live moral life commit sex and god move live chang that two cent god bless you loisc
soc.religion.christian	origin post jesu black knew that receiv respons post not thi extens you respond show that peopl will even gener respons return matter question you part thi respons suggest that you read articl cover thi question soc cultur african american for you dire cultur enlighten hasta luego sherlett
soc.religion.christian	perman mail that time year graduat thi mean that like for good cannot anoth usernam not even back leav thi part ministri anoth brother john fun and rememb that flame can consid slander joe fisher
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl atho rutger edu fari trl aziz fari fari post delet moder repli you talk assumpt bless virgin mari that immacul mother god virgin mari complet earthli life assum bodi and soul into heavenli glori thi defin papal statement had believ that immacul concept thi primarili roman cathol doctrin and direct biblic support note that cathol not sola scriptura that not that bibl sourc christian knowledg fact that doctrin biblic support not necessarili signific that truth can pass tradit church and that can reveal church not interest anoth cathol protest argument cathol can basi for belief clh that gener accuat contain error cathol that god reveal truth that not explicitli record bibl can and pass tradit church note that tradit church sacr tradit not ordinari human tradit not that addit truth will reveal church public revel basi cathol doctrin end death john last apostl noth can ad theologian studi thi revel and can draw implic that not recogn previous that council nicea defin statement theologi triniti and incarn that not explicitli state bibl and had disput council revel nicea subsequ council cardin newman essai develop christian doctrin written anglican excel discuss thi point recent reprint doubledai imag book paperback relat shorter work titl conscienc consensu and develop doctrin marti helgesen bitnet mnhcc cunyvm internet mnhcc cunyvm cuni edu such thing hypothet situat
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti andrew byler write dab post athanasian creed whicc pretti dab delini orthodox christian belief triniti and dab incarn dab pretti good statement belief eventu accpet and dab creed us cathol church lutheran dab anglican and orthodox church last minu filioqu dab delet origin form creed you evid that us orthodox church pure western apostl creed orthodox church us symbol faith commonli call nicen creed steve hay depart missiolog univers south africa gold
soc.religion.christian	athiest and hell articl apr geneva rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write articl apr geneva rutger edu sun gerri palo uunet net gerri palo write note that thi perhap oldest creed mention danger hell for believ likewis mention salvat believ soul and destini heaven death resurrect bodi and not you don back god and that creat heaven and earth and creat adam and ev and that walk garden and histori flow can agre that you agre that back you closer you peopl had stronger memori god and and command adam and ev and golgotha process fall man occur thi involv gradual dim conscious spiritu world thi discern world outlook peopl histori greek for exampl beggar land live king land dead iliad question happen human be di christ present christian not readi conscign adam abraham even cain etern damnat di sin christian sens can gentil human and unrepent malefactor cross not limit power christ save even satan mock deed salvat moment fulfil studi ancient mysteri reliegion run across poem ritual not interpret that god will promis seed rebel will suffer etern life die standard belief back experi etern pass moment relationship etern durat not simpli indefinit extend condit greenwich mean time imagin etern agoni bliss even spiritu world time earthli death and birth standard belief peopl that even righteou lost thi result loss paradis conscious that fled fall increas involv sens world interest share result your studi ancient peopl idea life death todai and that back time teach peopl thing two that thi ag grown older that opper mist not older ag mankind fell into mist and dark and turn point time light enter into world light grow and develop ey revel and growth stand li vision and understand feebl contain that will grow time embrac that and thi point acknowledg openli debt work rudolf steiner founder anthroposophi for insight that led view thi subject love post thi vulcan hammer fall histori purgatori can shown druid england greek pilag egyptian ultim babylonian mysteri and eastern religion show similar mean black and white write and archeolog find plainli show origin and why and wherefor thi doctin you refer doctrin put modern intellectu color abstract and real and spiritu concret teach that struck closer home doctrin teach todai can receiv not readi attribut widespread notion antiqu simpl dispers origin sourc even pass question extent reflect real percept and experi similar midst great varieti express peopl idea time immedi death testifi presenc underli realiti case studi geometri not read manuscript euclid contempl principl hand notion firmli embed christian that origin pagan sourc idea that human consist essenti soul and that soul creat birth conscious adopt aristotl idea domin christian thought for fifteen hundr year and todai onc father modern thought and time live that darken time percept etern spiritu had grown dim futur clarifi that not deni that etern irrevoc damnat real possibl narrow rang conceiv decis moment end singl earthli life not mind suffici embrac realiti and that earli creed couch term that not spell rex gerri compuserv
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian articl geneva rutger edu you wrote geniu scienc that discov that enorm progress knowledg made isol studi physic interact for gener area studi and proceed not logic argument experi scientif method hypothes attempt disprov hypothesi you fail publish fail disprov your hypothesi accept work theori and move thi method suitabl for studi object will object not interest experi scienc not progress experiment philosophis aim experi investig valid hypthes result model produc thi think process arrog scienc assumpt advoc scienc make that scientif method method studi lead knowledg belief scienc advantag approach explain world object arrog assumpt aris that sinc scienc valid method thought exist sort thing scientif method can studi and that scientif method cannot studi not exist cannot affect physic world can studi for exampl sinc part physic world includ spirit affect behaviour can observ scienc not make claim exist exist object not affect physic world sinc asumpt natur world cannot made subject experi bad scienc arrog illog and plain sloppi think purpos scienc produc model physic world model explain past observ and predict outcom futur observ aim experi carri defin observ object ideal scientist will model describ world and model realis minim number assumpt moment model not reli assumpt spiritu world exist equal power assum assumpt spiritu world spiritu model fewer assumpt accept model scientif process never assum that present model correct religion claim repres truth arrog theist that claim repres truth thi cannot scientist steve lang slang sling slink slick slack shack shank thick
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari you talk assumpt bless virgin mari that immacul mother god virgin mari complet earthli life assum bodi and soul into heavenli glori thi defin papal statement had believ that immacul concept thi primarili roman cathol doctrin and direct biblic support note that cathol not sola scriptura that not that bibl sourc christian knowledg fact that doctrin biblic support not necessarili signific that truth can pass tradit church and that can reveal church not interest anoth cathol protest argument cathol can basi for belief clh bibl lot instanc god speak peopl person piec inform person walk into desert for dai etc god power can bibl end book revel god reign end can for that god messag longer happen happen can hear clamor for proof cold respons past thi group hard point across physic stuff that skeptic can document store cite uncorrupt bodi saint apparit fatima portug culmin miracl specif grant show god exist that spin descend sun countri that event approv pope imag mari japan korea yugoslavia philippin africa show tear natur blood investig church realiz that investig decad finish and messag christ will come ten dai that bit late isn event investig locut come stigmata person exhibit christ wound and don heal and doctor don believ pore document thi stuff not koresh oral robert give god will call home free find happen ourselv studi can figur thi you can religion you resourc countri mention not member event god and mari invit conclus final modern dai manifest god and mari scare death sometim told not proof and event and that not bibl lot apparit told read bibl protest cathol issu concern end god church will unit not idea point shouldn worri versu part god work that that matter uniti will come btw plain person not pope spokesperson mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept articl atho rutger edu todd nickel laurentian write your roommat correct immacul concept refer concept mari mother womb that defin immacul concept doctrin for knowledg area give biblic support for attempt come term previous attempt understand for learn purpos and haven grasp reason gift god basic reason that tradit church held that mari sin jesu tenet faith develop augustin sin and equat sex and mari assum virgin for life sinc never sin and sinc spous god etc sinc had thi notion origin sin that man born predisposit sin and sinc mari not thi predisposit not sin didn origin sin scienc discov process concept step assum that mari conceiv origin sin immacul concept mari that time appear girl name bernadett lourd refer immacul concept sinc year know doctrin apparit deem true and seal case for doctrin rc hold that revel come two equal import sourc that sacr scriptur and holi tradit thi case tradit joe moor
soc.religion.christian	legal definit religion understand that suprem court never legal definit religion thi despit case involv religion that come court can verifi falsifi thi state govern give legal definit religion
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soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl atho rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write observ bodili assumpt basi bibl carl jung declar import pronounc church recent year that impli inclus feminin into godhead jung mean godhead
soc.religion.christian	hell articl atho rutger edu shellgat llo psi larri overack write question that friend and debat last night you knew doubt that hell not exist and that unbeliev simpli remain dead you remain christian content that you answer thi question not remain christian you not jesu christ share work and spread new that kingdom heaven fear base religion not faith relationship made that mean that christian avoid hell isn christian sound mit lieb christu martyn mellodew mrm compsci liverpool martyn mellodew mail mrm compsci liverpool depart appli mathemat arpa internet mrm csc liv and theoret physic janet mrm liv csc univers liverpool box liverpool england dubito ergo deu est
soc.religion.christian	hell atho rutger edu shellgat llo psi write question that friend and debat last night you knew doubt that hell not exist and that unbeliev simpli remain dead you remain christian reason pertin believ xian delet for space strike for appar reason that thi revers had proof that exist hell etern punish for not believ life that make xian pardon languag bloodi hell revers your think thi doesn add debat friend disagre argu fear hell motiv peopl christian that fatal undercut messag that god love point imnsho success terror call revolut and admir histori unsuccess terror lowli cowardli terror phil trodwel alt atheism
soc.religion.christian	bibl languag satan toung articl atho rutger edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write tongu concept tongu us pentecost outdat concept bibl languag and missionari languag church tongu guess peopl not support thi claim lot languag bibl part bibl languag not write simpli written version languag not defin guess thi main goal for wycliff bibl translat defin rule and grammar for write rest languag thi world not that will reason becom unemploi forese futur provid neccessari support and largest missionari organ world bjorn mail mail bjorn larsen bjorn larsen delab sintef sintef delab trondheim tel norwai fax
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach ddavi cass bull dave davi write deuterocanon not canon not quot author that not quit accur book enoch canon dave note can that apocrypha not quot christ dave write iii deuterocanon not canon teach doctrin contrari uncontrovert part canon answer logic invalid priori talk text part superced xtian view not thi principl exclud ecclesiast thi principl cannot consist appli reject your argument spirit speak voic and not contradict ultim test canon whether word inspir spirit god breath test guid faith reason logic earli church decid that apocrypha not meet thi test even book such wisdom ben sirach for exampl lutheran hymn god quot passag thi book deutero canon book ad church histori not spiritu qualiti rest scriptur not church that ad book guid spirit and that thi sort discuss ultim end david wagner confession lutheran god heart and hand and voic wondrou thing hath world rejoic mother arm hath bless countless gift love and todai nun danket all gott martin rinckart compar ben sirach
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari andrew kill write observ bodili assumpt basi bibl carl jung declar import pronounc church recent year that impli inclus feminin into godhead mean absolut idea assumpt greatli extol mari quit obviou that god even part god equal god assumpt bless mother meant that close identif redempt work christ assum note that not ascend bodi and soul into heaven and elijah enoch mose perfect heaven virgin mari superior glorif previous mention personag jung stick psycholog get into theologi andi byler
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live articl atho rutger edu jek nih gov write gerri palo write noth christian that preclud idea repeat live earth apostl paul roman point that god chose jacob esau ancestor coven peopl and ultim messiah and that made thi choic two boi mother womb and not possibl good evil deserv appoint destini admit possibl that had live previou live and that accord asiat idea karma present live reward punish for past behaviour thi make nonsens paul point exist repeat earth live and destini karma not mean that that happen predetermin past deed orient view that that direct not subscrib that view god choos individu anoth fit instrument for plan that not preclud that develop that individu into thi earthli life not result longer develop not and rudolf steiner not subscrib orient view inexor mechanist karma determin that befal thi kind shrivel caricatur greater law context deed christ golgotha and ultim salvat and freedom human work christ can master theme and impuls that complet free karma christ incarn onc flesh and that had debt karma sin orient concept reincarn and karma even trivial and mechan ag teach incorrectli assum jesu christ reincarn master avatar etc teach reincarn and karma concept continu individu life buddhism import concept resurrect bodi ultim continu human ultim resurrect and judgement last dai anoth biblic passag that bear tenth chapter john devot almost man born blind jesu tell discipl that not past karma that parent that led blind that impuls reveal note that not refut discipl question fact matter question state evid that two possibl exist sin man not thi incarn sin parent fact that even ask possibl awar idea part and form christ answer that not disagre matthew jesu straight john baptist you care accept elia come thi emphas that gospel not posit teach reincarn fact happen human death and last dai even jesu not push thi teach peopl not readi embrac you care accept care point not that bibl teach reincarn that not deni and that scriptur and fundament christian doctrin becom understand reincarn understood pointedli us repeat earth live distinguish orient doctrin associ word reincarn phrase rudolf steiner wiederholt erdenleben note that idea need aris insight west complet free eastern tradit eighteenth and nineteenth centuri import express less educ human race return your origin point paul statement jacob and esau not contradict idea repeat earth live and karma and principl receiv fulfil incarn death and resurrect ascens and return jesu christ view regard gerri palo compuserv
soc.religion.christian	truth bibl sodium asc slb asc slb michael montgomeri write that god preserv bibl perfectli that perfectli convei truth that intend thi yea version bibl perfectli preserv and translat that not perfectli preserv god confus minor word even accident omiss passag manuscript not chang truth convei lead student into doctrin error note that god provid that exactli happend branch denomin christian and deviat doctrin portrud vari translat biblic text student that numer begin count perfect bibl misinterpret and for debat hand bibl perfect thi planet perfect read correctli point god give cannot us correctli short you attack credibl and reliabl bibl you weak ground reason that can for want remov bibl final author and put that respons men sift bibl strain nugget truth that contain word want and ignor rest bibl truth not truth imho you trust your salvat reliabl singl book you weak ground rememb begin word and word god and word god thi word exist bibl written note word god thi word that john describ cannot fulli describ written languag languag imperfect realiz come contempl word and boundari languag us bibl guid step stone final author god alon final author daniel cossack danc procom compuserv senior softwar engin dupont drive irvin procom technolog inc
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian gmt shellgat llo psi larri overack articl apr geneva rutger edu fsspr acad alaska edu hardcor alaskan write hope that rememb rev troi perri perform march washington will for inconceiv mix christian homosexu whether not christian and homosexu compat debat sinc debat opnion genuin destuct christian us thi sort hominem argument oppos adversari serv drive peopl christian project and confirm frequent held opinion that christian unabl critic and intellig agre speak atheist heterosexu for worth thi attract part varieti christian argu theolog that shouldn make analog discrimin basi sex and race and discrimin basi sexual orient moral case unanswer for religion form analog shouldn discrimin basi sex race sexual orient found moder faq subject instruct and recommend read level accept regard homosexu orient sin evil regard homosexu behaviour sin accept orient orient unfortun and dislik peopl indulg love sinner accept homosexu altogeth experi that common attitud imagin and limit fundamentalist sect suppos can that thi feel that year live commun thi attitud discov that attract member sex not feel love commun feel pressur not exhibit feel not that commun parent not love child suspect child not feel love bruce cmsr univers liverpool
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl geneva rutger edu marka hcx ssd csd harri mark ashlei write simpl test peopl can speak languag chines russian german english gift start speak toungu audienc understand gift nativ languag gift can hear speak languag that neat bibl that gift toung can thi gift toung abil understood matter languag for gift interpret and corinthian not had written perhap gift glorifi god perhap wit real miracl that pretti harsh assumpt make million christian world wide want glori for speak toung not thi gift peopl thi corinthian church that not mean that true gift that speak toung for glori sight men ventur that larg percentag speak toung privat prayer public link hudson appar earli church claim that pentecost miracl that crowd abil understand apostl speak greek clh
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist undoubtedli peopl adopt atheism for reason suspect that biggi that god believ phillip word small person understand god not allow grow and develop will eventu becom inadequ grei hair gentleman throne comfort imag childhood becom joke therapist friend mine sometim suggest client that fire god mean that let inadequ understand god make room for fuller follow encourag hire guess that lot folk fire process not adequ support subsequ hire billh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers place road mount oliv crowd discipl began joyfulli prais god loud voic for miracl had luke
soc.religion.christian	athiest and hell articl geneva rutger edu sun gerri palo uunet net gerri palo write adam and ev and golgotha process fall man occur thi involv gradual dim conscious spiritu world thi precis point theolog bent live immedi flood such noah ham son cush and son nimrod had stronger appreci divin wrath had stronger understand true god fact thi immediaci hardship for that atla heaven rest shoulder thi not physic heaven that lift put god and strict spiritu law distanc and elev heaven thi god made men feel heaven afar and god heaven not dark cloud not regard displeasur breaker law interest that that titl emancip deliver phoroneu nimrod invad patriarch system and abridg liberti mankind worship for benefit deliver not christ deliver deliv consciou feel god wrath perform deliveri god wrath and accept true question happen human be di christ present christian not readi consign adam abraham even cain etern damnat don problem time adam look forward come anoint and put faith fact that god provis account righteou crucifixion sin cover not dispens church view account sin complet action rom make clear that salvat faith and noth experi etern pass moment relationship etern durat not simpli indefinit extend condit greenwich mean time understand you convei don lai hold scriptur equat etern second death etern church rule christ tell etern life exactli you correct that cessat conscious standard belief peopl that even righteou lost depend your def lost elect lost time time had chosen foundat world existenti born lost righteou christ and never assuredli lost interest share result your studi ancient peopl idea life death thi summer find time put togeth paper simpli bui book for and older book expens that countless trip orient museum mankind fell into mist and dark and turn point time light enter into world light grow and develop ey revel and growth stand li vision and understand feebl contain that will grow time embrac that and couldn agre you understand eschatolog clearer that isaiah that not refer thi point acknowledg openli debt work rudolf steiner founder anthroposophi for insight that led view thi subject you refer doctrin put modern intellectu color abstract and real and spiritu concret teach that struck closer home doctrin teach todai can receiv understand you thi point not readi attribut widespread notion antiqu simpl dispers origin sourc even pass question extent reflect real percept and experi thi thi big question that lie that appreci amount truth satan twist god word coerc ev that interest studi similar midst great varieti express peopl idea time immedi death testifi presenc underli realiti that point two edg sword for not want underli realiti reveal not mysteri religion for reason public side and privat side that protect that initi oath death reveal that privat side that hard bring teach light mysteri iniqu that find bibl correl thi primari object mysteri introduc privat seal secreci and sanction oath not safe openli profess true religion case point todai mason note that worship osiri egypt can trace nimrod husband son hand notion firmli embed christian that origin pagan sourc idea that human consist essenti soul and that soul creat birth conscious adopt aristotl idea domin christian thought for fifteen hundr year and todai disagre you gerri you allud that church primarili rcc endors aristotelian philosophi into worldview disagre you that origin greec you student histori you will come that greec expound world origin adulter that had conquer countri soul mention and discuss length egyptian religion uniti god and triniti god you can find wilkinson egyptian number greek pilfer egyptian onc father modern thought and time live that darken time percept etern spiritu had grown dim not knock aristotl plato greek thinker that noth sun clarifi that not deni that etern irrevoc damnat real possibl narrow rang conceiv decis moment end singl earthli life not mind suffici embrac realiti and that earli creed couch term that not spell each ag focu theologi earli church struggl trinitarian formul reform dealt author todai eschatolog had studi earli creed not spell thing detail weren topic concern insuffici wisdom accumul didn exeget tool that todai each ag air revel ag tend and cultiv garden doctrin growth natur for end time garden for growth eschatolog wouldn tangent never end tangent rex
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker src reader misconcept that copt orient orthodox church monophysit pop had discuss ago articl geneva rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write proper term for mike express monophysit thi heresi that condemn council chalcedon grew reaction nestorian held that son and jesu two peopl happen unit bodi temporarili monophysit held copt egypt and ethipoia and jacobit syria and armenian orthodox ofm comment issu mighti subtl you peopl thing hard whether mean thing whether terminolog don question that problem nestoriu and agre that christ had human form real human natur will heret bit wari copt armenian etc recent discuss suggest that monophysit posit not orthodoxi had thought appreci moder that elabor need thi excerpt articl featur issu copt net newslett author eastern roman empir constantinopl oppos western empir rome patriarch and pope alexandria plai lead role christian theologi invit speak christian faith cyril pope alexandria head ecumen council held ephesu year that bishop church alexandria noth spend time meet thi lead role not fare polit start intermingl church affair start emperor marcianu interf matter faith church respons dioscoru pope alexandria exil thi interfer clear you noth church polit motiv even appar chalcedon coptic church unfairli accus teach eutych believ monophysit thi doctrin maintain that lord jesu christ natur divin not two natur human divin coptic church never believ monophysit portrai council chalcedon that council monophysit meant believ natur copt that lord perfect divin and perfect human divin and human unit natur call natur incarn word reiter cyril alexandria copt two natur human and divin that unit mingl confus and alter declar faith end coptic divin liturgi two natur not separ for moment twinkl ey declar faith end coptic divin liturgi coptic church misunderstood centuri council chalcedon perhap council understood church correctli want exil church isol and abolish egyptian independ pope despit thi coptic church remain strict and steadfast faith whether conspiraci western church exil coptic church punish for refus polit influenc whether pope dioscuru didn quit extra mile make point that copt not monophysit coptic church felt mandat reconcil semant differ christian church thi aptli express current successor mark pope shenouda iii coptic church faith import and that semant and terminolog import thi centuri coptic church plai import role ecumen movement coptic church founder world council church remain member that council sinc coptic church member african council church aacc and middl east council church mecc church plai import role christian movement conduct dialogu aim resolv theolog differ cathol greek orthodox presbyterian and evangel church final note orient orthodox and eastren orthodox sign common statement christolog heresei monophysit condemn coptic orthodox church not monophysit peac nabil nabil ayoub engin research center dept mechan engin univers wisconsin madison email ayoub erctitan wisc edu mention apolog comment quot confus that nestoriu monophysit andrew byler correctli state nestorian and monophysit opposit parti point make nabil explain detail that group that consid heret aren chalcedon compromis two group alexandrian and antiochen adopt languag that intend accept moder camp rule extrem agre that extrem that heret complex polit time appear that peopl reject didn intend heresi simpli us languag that not understood even mispres and not joint compromis for reason doctrin group descend supposedli heret camp thi post discuss descend alexandrian remain nestorian current call monophysit reason that current call nestorian not heret shelter nestoriu unfair treatment claim not adopt heresi and fact follow moder repres antiochen tradit clh
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari ddavi cass bull dave davi write delet explain immacul concept and assumpt mari origin sin reason fallen human di adam and ev not di had not fallen thi true genesi stori god concern that adam and ev eat tree life and live forev and god eat tree life not effect eat tree knowledg reason assum that had eaten tree life and had attain etern life basi for that thi wage sin spiritu death not necessarili physic death can attest truth thi interpret experi suspect that attest thi peac will william taber will taber opinion express data gener corp will futon webo mine alon and westboro mass chang notic your dream laid rest you can second hard david wilcox
soc.religion.christian	public privat revel question virgin mari mark ashlei account privat revel not contradict post that cathol church believ that public revel cathol doctrin base end death john last apostl that post made us word public public revel contain god truth intend for revel contain bibl signific subset public revel privat revel revel that god individu speak directli individu send angel send virgin mari lesser saint person requir privat revel person reveal devot practic base report privat revel doctrin can not alleg privat revel attract suffici attent church investig investig likelihood that alleg privat revel fact god will approv that mean that can preach church true that requir that god cathol free deni authent even attest and strongli approv privat revel such fatima and lourd suspect that cathol reject fatima and lourd reject not mean not orthodox cathol good stand not hand list criteria church evalu alleg privat revel not dai that primari requir that noth alleg privat revel can contradict public revel marti helgesen bitnet mnhcc cunyvm internet mnhcc cunyvm cuni edu such thing hypothet situat
soc.religion.christian	question agnost gmt damon math okstat edu hast damon tod christian friend mine onc reason that never creat not exist creat and exist creator thi statement consid valid proof christian and follow religion suppos rest delet variant quit popular thi and argument discuss john lesli macki miracl theism argument for and exist god macki ultim side argument quit fair side discuss can found alt atheism faq bruce cmsr univers liverpool
soc.religion.christian	satan toung pwhite empro peter white relat stori person messag tongu consist word ask refrain that brother puka control for week church had invit missionari speak time meet tongu and interpret aris speak brother puka and word puka pastor apolog for thi embarrass missionari aros speak that that not interpret that give translat tribe had work had word languag puka mean deriv inflect and voic qualiti brother puka had perfectli inflect and reason messag nice stori set urban legend charismat legend alarm can linguist net identifi languag descript can even attest that such languag exist odd standard european languag that exist linguist extrem case overreact your basic shaggi dog stori will william taber will taber opinion express data gener corp will futon webo mine alon and westboro mass chang notic your dream laid rest you can second hard david wilcox
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari moder note you mean assumpt cathol that bless virgin mari heaven bodi and soul end life thi unusu normal event for your bodi decai grave and stai that resurrect dead wasn that for enoch and elijah translat directli into heaven grasp object that mari greater enoch elijah not benefit priveleg reciev mother god full grace and immacul histor belief assumpt can found write gregori tour late centuri and germain constantinopl and john damascu and andrew crete and note that monophysit chruch egypt and syria hold thi belief part divin revel even broke uniti chruch reject council chalcedon argu protest that cathol and orthodox made thi belief monophysit put big hole that notion hold belief and split chruch belief annunci write lost time father andi byler
soc.religion.christian	seek christian opinion sort subject seek christian opinion sort rob steel rsteel adam mit edu date gmt you mean that your fellow christian tend find you wacki you interest franki schaeffer book philistin american christian addict mediocr and recent sham pearl for real swine dai year ago franki schaeffer walk into greek orthodox church orthodox christian mother and father fransi schaeffer had not pass come into church franki american recent found orthodox church describ experi final come home long jounei desert you read book orthodox peter gillquist describ long journei weari evangel protest orthodox church come tast and good lord timothi richardson rich student umn edu
soc.religion.christian	nicen creed major view triniti michael bushnel write call creed athanasiu western creed and had filioqu orthodox that accept that except filioqu not us exactli point wrong your us creed cathol encylcopedia read orthodox us creed minu filioqu appar that chang athanasian creed had filioqu nicen constantinopolitan not orthodox not delet filioqu nicen creed wasn begin athanasian creed begin point that problem start differ wai explain gener bless triniti east emphas idea holi spirit proceed father son and west proceed father and son fact such tertullian us formul below form exampl profess that call god and word father and and son two for root and stem two thing conjoin fountain and river two kind indivis sun and rai two form coher proce anoth necessarili second that proce not that account separ second two and ther spirit god and son root fruit stem and fountain stream river and thrid sun apex rai tertullian praxea and that spirit proce not father son tertullian praxea and thoma show summa theologica part question articl and contradict two method gener and fact two method reckon process emphas augustin taught that holi spirit proce father and son proce father preemin for son father father that holi spirit proce for father alon not anoth for reason alon call unbegotten not scriptur practic theologian and emploi such term matter great son born father and holi spirit proce princip father and sinc father son that interv time holi spirit proce jointli father and son call son father and son abhor sound mind had begotten spirit not begotten each proce each and augustin hippo triniti sens formul correct west holi spirit proce father and son proceed son orgin that process process father holi spirit proceed father son that son father holi spirit can proce father mention son case happi that follow belief pope leo fulgenc rusp cyril alexandria pope damsu augustin hippo epiphaniu salami ambros milan hilari poitier tertullian and father quotabl quot support cathol posit enunci for issu adopt anoth creed forbidden will point that holi father ephesu and chalcedon spoke creed nicea statement forbid produc write compos confess faith defin father nicea that creed creed that constantinopl commonli call nicen creed not that condemn adopt constantinopolitan creed enlarg creed nicea that condemn impiou opinion nestori had adopt radic creed us church thing deni process holi spirit form son addit constantinopolitan creed not thought violat thi and council chalcedon affirm doctrin process holi spirit son nestoriu deni explain fuller creed for approv previou addit and explan creed made constantinopl not denigr work holi father nicea heret follow that council toledo fulli add not disput faith creed combat impieti arian spain filioqu not disput church year photiu and and that filioqu not disput provid quot below sinc holi spirit effect conform god and proce father and son abundantli clear that divin essenc essenc and proceed cyril alexandria treasuri holi and consubstanti triniti thesi holi spirit not father son spirit father and son for written love world spirit father not and written not spirit christ father and son name thi holi spirit understood son gospel that holi spirit proce father and that receiv mine and announc you pope damasu decre damasu begotten holi spirit name son appel father call holi spirit and not foreign father for begotten call spirit father and proce father and will receiv mine that reckon not foreign son substanc godhead spirit divin god and god for spirit god spirit father and spirit son not kind synthesi soul and bodi midst father and son father and son appel father exist and son exist and spirit breath father and son and son creat spirit creat epiphaniu salami cypru man anchor and holi spirit not remain silent speak account not not for silent speak acknowledg father and son sourc hilari poitier trintii point gaul spain itali africa egypt palastin and land greek christnedom that time father can cite show that confess doctrin express filioqu suggest orthodox church that come father john damascu will admit deni filioqu support view not bring proce father line creed gospel john for that not holi spirit not proce son that proce father andi byler
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl geneva rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write beyt bcg thor write noth unclean enter heaven rev babi born such state that die cuf god and put hell that explain matthew that hour discipl jesu greatest kingdom heaven and call child and set midst and verili you turn and becom children wise enter into kingdom heaven even not will your father heaven that perish nice thing bibl you don invent bunch convolut ration understand unlik your argument for origin sin face origin sin thought long bibl had written and basi scriptur anthoni
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god articl apr geneva rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write jame sledd jsledd ssdc sa upenn edu wrote serb work god hmm you suggest that god support genocid perhap german punish jew god behalf god work that indescrib evil and unworthi worship faith you want your attitud holocaust read deuteronomi chapter tom price cmu edu free will free will plutoniumsurveillanceterroristciaassassinationirancontrawirefraudcryptolog
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist you stori grew cathol wasn issu for met born christian sweet person not proseletyz not impos into christian felt depress felt guilti for person honest feel hard reconcil thi conflict taught ration read lot book pro and con religion gener and specif catholic crisi point final click and staunch atheist thi loos explan gist feel esteem gener stronger person defin goal strong and stabl sens moral and valu not neo nazi corrupt politicain etc human right and live and live thing anti violent and anti hatr thi debunk myth that atheist deprav religion place system tough bertrand russel that cannot god doesn exist can prove that sens can agnost for practic purpos god thanq ken engel kene ac edu
soc.religion.christian	christian martial art and salut touch peopl christian you defin and martial art topic for discuss your martial art your view relationship christian and your art your view relationship your christian and your art christian particip shouldn christian particip biblic view pro con for exampl heard fellow karat for christ thing and wasn for not involv offici organ call christian black belt associ and distribut info upcom event interest you won put mail list will your name sold you intest email list interest email repli thi cross post group don read summari discuss shalom robert switzer czu cbnewsh att bell lab laurel av middletown usa amateur radio oper czu robert switzer
soc.religion.christian	good jewish argument kwfinken pooh harpo ucc edu kevin finkenbind wrote scott born phy virginia edu wrote intro delet jesu wasn descend david messiah suppos joseph christian that joseph wasn relat jesu truthfulli you geneolog christ luke and matthew you will notic that trace line back david told that trace mari line back david and trace joseph line back david david histori acord jewish friend jewish pass child mother and legal right jewish pass father true that geneolog mari christ bloodlin david mother thi mean that christ had legal right decend david roman law and possibl mosaic law not joseph christ legal father argument for luke genealog that mari weak luke and began ministri jesu thirti year ag supposedli son joseph son eli fact that mari not mention two interpret joseph father brother thi not accept that joseph son eli father and happen name man betroth that grasp straw straightforward interpret that luke had intent trace mari genealog case name that trace husband david son nathan matthew descend list trace david son solomon joseph matthew read and jacob born joseph husband mari born jesu call christ two appar problem reconcil two patern genealog diverg son david solomon and nathan second genealog joseph relav joseph had noth joseph not jesu physic father origin poster quit correct that claim for jesu messian heritag not base truth appear jesu divin natur second problem easi mind assum that joseph not involv concept jesu holi spirit capabl work physic concept mari capabl emploi physic agenc joseph seed thi work materialist time interpret vigin and loss sole term physic act matter puriti higher level import thing that mari joseph consciou union had not each gospel dedic half open chapter genealog joseph quit relev jesu virgin birth not withstand question answer that creat begin problem resolv that two evangelist relat birth two children two set parent for name parent and child and birthplac bethlehem point common two stori matthew and luke converg account thirti year baptism jesu jordan rudolf steiner offer explan account begin two children and converg account jesu nazareth not deriv resolut biblic studi specul extern document and discuss thi bring limit appropri for thi newsgroup case detail describ steiner spiritu guidanc human and human gospel luke and gospel matthew whether not rudolf steiner method and explan accept valid thi interpret resolv appar contradict two genealog leav text intact for pass jewish mother thi never issu jesu question mari jewish issu genealog patern line descent david king gerri palo compuserv
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell imagin worst depth despair you encount worst physic pain you experienc peopl suffer such emot physic and mental anguish live that death merci pain end death you live hundr such live conclus you instantli reborn into anoth you live million billion year thi state thi forev thi happen jesu don not heard live dai suffer and di wage sin paragraph jesu didn pai for sin surpris moder thi want reason explan for thi ken
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu loisc microsoft loi christiansen write articl apr geneva rutger edu fsspr acad alaska edu wrote you visit congreg christian happen homosexu that spirit fill believ gift spirit not endors behavior lot peopl suffer similar belief jesu that peopl come lord lord and proclaim miracul work had name jesu that worker iniqu that not and depart that not that thi will happen commit homosexu sin holi spirit moral perfect not god can forgiv sin repent peopl care not god gift spirit gai that danger hebrew partaken holi spirit and power world come lord work commun homosexu commun that not ask chang sexual natur jesu doesn chang natur cannot lift ourselv sin submit hand natur practic homosexu act and homosexu lust violat moral that god set you don that and ignor weak faith and celeb for sake practic homosexu worth cost soul whether homosexu consid ignor link hudson
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ mserv mozart iup edu mail server write thing don understand sacr make templ ritual secret attribut sacr thi case that not spoken common manner trampl feet such lord name todai ceremoni perform templ templ set sacr holi uncommon place that ceremoni can interpret correctli view spirit thi case templ point view brought into public trampl feet misinterpret and mock and offens not assum that us word and that offici spokesman for ld church state gener feel feel free disagre steve ward bcstec boe
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept maxwel muir write quick question mari immacul conciev pure vessel thi mean that sin and perfect mean sinless femal human thi held highli cathol church despit basic patriarch structur immacul conceiv and never subject origin sin never commit person sin life thi special degre grace grant god regard highli special relationship god and that flow that relationship cathol church see ev father earli church us thi figur lot ev mother live genet sens mari mother live order grace sin ev grace jesu christ mari
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god reason for death penalti reveng you refut posit refut posit acknosledg that you speak small piec problem broad sweep reason etc tough nut crack death penalti reallli doesn year fbi releas crime stat show overwhelm amount crime commit repeat offend peopl kill folk kill time aobut folk for death penalti not for reveng cut recidiv jim
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god note not origin poster answer thi import articl atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write revdak netcom write evil result human sin will god sens sens that god evil happen god not had happen sens mean that will happen god not condon evil for good you god desir seper happen for exampl god desir that save timothi quit obviou that save god will thwart will cannot escap for even appear that your will will god grace dispos wish come ag question evil occur answer that god evil occur not condon that ultim plan brought sucess person suggest read part summa theologica thoma that deal knowledg god good grasp thi idea whoo care languag god voluntarili give omnisci thi world that can decid free will thi sens god evil occur and thi sens can held respons chaplain will that save not save step direct will save read that last sentenc carefulli not save ourselv accept salvat not predestin you that you stuff delet not that deserv punish simpli point that god serbian and croatian instrument punish israelit cannanit troubl that guess that thing that can resolv argument accept your interpret delet issu not question god made world god choos whether discern world god intend debat whether not oppos serbian ethnic cleans will god and christian not particip such war and slaughter that not mitig fact that god thi evil continu for patient and will that perish wait for foreknown turn evil thi that you predestin correct not predestin choos whether not will accept god gift salvat fundament differ can resolv delet not that evil befal bosnian justifi guilt that that god punish thi thi evil justifi that not mean that god cannot us evil purpos not accus bosnian guilti great sin that god judg defend time come for judgement god sincer hope and prai that will jesu christ advoc that judgement god judg will mete that punish last judgement for evil can human be that not god will and can taht good come thing that worri will god argument that thi will convinc peopl that not stop rape and kill that christ that jesu stop stone adulter woman perhap thi not good parallel not stop murder and violat peopl not innoc andi byler vera your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god articl atho rutger edu johnson cua edu yusef tariq write law that wed happen church reqir that you and bride agree marri each can you christian wed proce marriag discuss bibl mu person civil marriag standard impos god not societi you want live you can you don want civil marriag don you don want wed church don you want call that marriag ahead hope that young peopl that you don follow your exampl gari chin staff engin sun microsystem view gchin eng sun origin messag claim that marriag not discuss bibl disagre aspect marriag discuss paul letter ephesian see marriag symbol god relationship church mean specif that marriag ceremoni isn describ that true peopl mean christian marriag not that take place church that parti undertak commit each that associ marriag bibl clh
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ mserv mozart iup edu mail server write thing don understand sacr make templ ritual secret sacr secret explan bit mislead profound rever for templ endow injunct discuss ceremoni public sinc public discuss irrever mormon silent cherish practic malign element ceremoni particip explicitli coven not reveal conjunct ceremoni grant gnostic christian had secret ritual pagan pre christian mysteri religion interpret christian histori thi matter recal that gnostic written enemi eusebiu claim that jesu impart secret inform peter jame and john resurrect and that apostl transmit that inform rest twelv eusebiu historia ecclesiastica irenaeu claim thi inform pass priest and bishop heresi eusebiu disagre claim secret ceremoni christian church perish apostl interestingli eusebiu refer group todai call gnostic promulg fals gnosi eusebiu cit iii gripe not that thai profess gnosi that had wrong write deal jesu post resurrect teach emphas secreci not conceal polici not teach thing indiscrimin stori simon magu open dialog peter natur god peter respons you not father and god you whenc soul and and made not permit disclos thing you clementin recognit theme underli recognit idea that doctrin not idli taught can had level spiritu matur reach can approach thi and such evid wai don intend that interpret christian histori that evid exist favor interpret earli christian rite analog practic mormon todai testament christian biblic judaism made secret practic judaism and christian had such ceremoni you expect read public document can search book mormon and mormon scriptur and find almost inform templ worship you establish that mormon worship templ you hard press character that worship that basi can conclud that bibl explain practic place and that absenc such descript prove not exist mormon scholar hugh niblei offer list scriptur you mysteri kingdom heaven not matt men cannot receiv thi save matt thing you cannot bear john time cometh speak you proverb shew you plainli father john unspeak word not law for man utter cor thing not write paper and ink come you and speak face face niblei sinc cumorah can interpret wai serv show that not doctrin taught taught openli heard that joseph smith entir practic ritual and secreci surround ritual freemason authorit inform whether not thi claim true histor joseph smith had adiminist templ endow ceremoni for year join freemason diari evid support claim that rite not chang smith mason can argu that smith had ampl exposur mason proceed burlesqu time and brother hyrum mason specif connect establish convers mason respect templ rite transcript appear net led that connect masonri mormon fairli tenuou moder note similar remov recent revis templ ceremoni that critic charg that mormon rite lift freemasonri not adequ knowledg rite question jai windlei univers utah salt lake citi jwindlei asylum utah edu
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ mserv mozart iup edu mail server write bcstec boe steve ward write dan kuhub ukan edu write dan question mormon templ ritual delet for breviti thought interject thi and you dan you that you don mean offend for ld templ goer templ ceremoni sacr that promis never divulg can you trust tell you cerermoni thing don understand sacr make templ ritual secret lot sacr thing christian includ sacr scriptur noth secret thing for lord not reveal thing world publish wide thing sacr place pre post condit feel preced scriptur knowledg sacr thing withheld transfigur jesu instruct peter jame and john vision man son man risen dead matt live time savior public record thi event faith friend paul experi vision paradis heard unspeak word not law for man utter cor thi person heard paul can not write corinthian and incid record book mormon word utter babe forbidden that not man write nephi entir text follow for you access bom nephi behold pass morrow that multitud gather togeth and and heard children yea even babe open mouth and utter marvel thing and thing utter forbidden that not man write ld scholar specul that word not written sacr portion templ withhold world can understand mormon limit templ access faith mormon never understood emphasi shroud templ ritual mysteri can discuss templ ordin can discuss baptism and vicari ordin for dead can discuss concept endow ritual element can not discuss includ saint templ portion endow receiv token and sign that will permit access heaven thi knowledg sacr and respect condit reveal idler
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin noth unclean enter heaven rev babi born such state that die cuf god and put hell exactli doctrin augustin and thoma cour origin sin thier soul suffer lightest punish loss vision oand presenc god that not chang undeni fact that cannot possibl come forgivenss origin sin can inherit etern life that augustin pelagian heret taught you want christian not teach that unbapt infant can come forgivenss origin sin doesn bibl that god fair god thi true can thi possibl fair infant
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari two follow mark last post current investig church recent declar cry statu and messag mari akita japan approv found thi month ago proof depart start appear mari fatima thing pictur miracl sun that appear major american newspap york time major european newspap talk post for hour thi topic thesi write god bless mike walker want info mdw uxa cso uiuc edu
soc.religion.christian	portland earthquak archau saturn wwc edu austin archer write interest view event can christian discrimin messag god and spuriou heurist avoid embrac messag fulfil proven fals caus name christ disreput thi problem that care understand scriptur can that anytim proven event mistaken point failur understand god will result reevalu accept truth hasten add that skeptic even cynic prophesi tend such christian put stock church repres christ world christian avoid made laugh stock world dishonor cry wolf tend comment good point true that fals predict danger warn onc scriptur fals prophtet case issu cannot falsli report such vision reason believ not impress you assert thi respons not respons your post respons topic exampl appear mari fatima portug thing predict convers russia atheism that happen year bolshevik revolut predict second world war that predict predict that occur papaci pope not current happen warn fire sky warn that second world war start week germani invad weathermen and women suppos europ england spain eastern europ report spectacular reddish color sky record thi dai explain northern light and relat mari predict simpli coincid you can decid for mari predict that atheist russia spread evil world and persecut religion thing numer list singl realiz can us term coincid time explan us becom ridicul fals prophet and fals report true remain open that fatima exampl anoth occur apparit that take place medjurgorj yugoslavia call mari appear dai for eleven year time world start listen info want peac christ lord mike walker mdw uxa cso uiuc edu
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian new cbnewsk att write arrog arrog not result religion result peopl know firmli believ idea and desir show right assum that god decid judg for sake kind and merci judg judg judg ourselv cor judg ourselv not come judgment judg lord discipl that will not condemn world cor even not physic present you spirit and pass judgment thi present cor spiritu man make judgment thing not subject man judgement for mind lord that instruct mind christ jude enoch seventh adam prophesi men lord come thousand thousand holi judg and convict ungodli ungodli act ungodli and harsh word ungodli sinner spoken arrog sin desir show right sign arrog case sign that bibl jude merci doubt snatch fire and save show merci mix fear hate even cloth stain corrupt flesh find arrog typic don hope you don find arrog thi sound bad practic ignor peopl you perceiv arrog jame dear brother note thi quick listen slow speak and slow becom angri aaron
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live noth christian that preclud idea repeat live earth paragraph testament opinion make posit infer reincarn don rememb top head basic thi jesu talk apostl and pharise that messiah can come elijah come jesu repli that elijah come not recogn that apostl perceiv that refer john baptist thi impli reincarn can offer reason altern interpret interest hear
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl geneva rutger edu marka hcx ssd csd harri mark ashlei write articl geneva rutger edu mmh dc qmw matthew huntbach write claim don authent case peopl make prolong speech real languag don observ speak tongu practic noth thi simpl test peopl can speak languag chines russian german english gift start speak toungu audienc understand gift nativ languag gift can hear speak languag point speak tongu thing problemat us prayer languag troubl understand that you prai tongu spirit talk and you prai you prai god and spirit god spirit talk pentecost us actual languag phrase speak tongu men and angel us paul cor mislead context assum that angel tongu and speak languag angel tongu hmmm testament stori tower babel god punish give languag can assum that angel languag that angel not punish manner suppos angel tongu sound anoth disturb that peopl find wai justifi jabber bui idea that talk languag never learn troubl such stori abound and attempt verif and test spirit show that wit had real idea circumst that outright fabric involv brother puka stori previou post friend friend thing and linguist two syllabl word qualifi languag inflect faith healer troubl prove victori sinc ailment cure plain unprov and modern dai ressurrect never valid true that modern dai xenoglossolalia prove clergi lai
soc.religion.christian	give spiritu gift thought share nice experi exam todai walk street campu and beggar and ask for spare chang had dollar that gave and not want give monei stranger gener give dollar that will bui food mcdonald offer spiritu gift call gift monei talk great felt that god had made such pretti dai and nice give peopl get marri talk and husband had not even had hous for that felt special love lord unselfish kind care warm heart that peopl can monetarili and realiz that spiritu rich good lesson for want cannot count sold bought doug fowler dxf cwru edu heaven great big hug that last forev and that great scorer come mark your name write not whether you won lost you plai game grantland rice
soc.religion.christian	variant text cont echo andrew kill wrote publish form english type recens act beza quit bizarr gospel type text share beza strang read stand for codex claromontanu frank
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic articl atho rutger edu eastee wkuvx bitnet write question satan taught long time ago that satan angel god and kick heaven challeng god author problem cannot find thi bibl bibl not origin satan god highest rank angel uriel raphael michael and gabriel fact name satanel challeng god author and kick heaven lot mytholog satan lost suffix fell come book enoch and not found bibl read book enoch bookstor book call angel endang speci steven salari lot danger live crew salari carc wustl edu and stupid us foul languag idea philosophi geoff tate queensrych
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu mayn fsu edu write articl atho rutger edu fil sapienza med umich edu fil sapienza write atheist atheist believ result broken thi condescend and slightli disquis hominem attack thi attitud part theist vocal reason for hostil you sens you atheist that peopl turn religion immatur emotion agre you find peopl don share your belief not attack condescend and hope neutral pictur come open mind don that atheist gener broken and effect like emot price pai for hear belief lack thereof condemn and motiv and charact attack you even sort anti belief neg connot meant mean simpli that you that god not exist christian can feel that sens differ associ weird televangelist talk satan you excus clich sound thi deal differ peopl can understand atheist hard for you christian sometim hard for atheist reason good reason religion had taught thi pain pressur famili and friend want fit and accept final cognit disson great you not repress you feel you discuss fear admir thing learn belief can enrich your ask question that atheist can learn answer and becom stronger faith faith can support know answer question weak and untru sympathi for gai grow repress environ and hide and sometim deni part case ration sexual forc repress pressur you chose your belief you that not your choic born necess flame whether not gai peopl choos lifestyl that thi newsgroup that wasn hurt experi church friend didn becom atheist hurt differ not understand thi sentenc you explain moder point that atheist aren hostil ceas believi xiantii religion true that peopl pat robertson and christian extremist soc religion christian natur evok hostil attack disagre and attempt forc view you compani you christian preach alt atheism not surpris hostil ouch part christian accept open heart includ peopl camp complet disagre token that accus and suspicion not reach not faith effect browbeat peopl into accept religion idea mission christian happi faith and that and want happi religion share pressur and make decis point you agre disagre accept divers not uniform sow peac bill mayn vera noy your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic articl atho rutger edu eastee wkuvx bitnet write question satan taught long time ago that satan angel god and kick heaven challeng god author problem cannot find thi bibl bibl not origin workshop thi for episcopalian student gather coupl month ago want answer that stori never specif told bibl refer made primarili testament testament view satan excus pun devil advoc for yahweh book job get back fallen angel stori refer lucif bibl for mistransl morn star king jame version isaiah refer babylonian monarch sun king refer loui xiv don stori roll for long time milton paradis lost invent for sketchi rest thi hurri and eat lunch feel free email stuff found lot result bibl concord program call quickvers lousi don bui wonder eddi western kentucki univers eastee wkuvx bitnet hope thi help vera cherch un am qui don agre pourra aider mylen farmer religi view sui interest un gener desenchante vera noy mylen farmer noy midwai uchicago edu
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker articl geneva rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write mike walker you standard formula fulli god and fulli human that not you object that jesu human usual analysi that sin not part basic definit human consequ fall jesu human not fallen human clh differ moder thi thought idea god come earth live subject sin and death consecr prayer book common prayer put that jesu tempt not succumb sin not part basic definit human jesu fulli human nicea not subject sin resurrect lose mean encount human powerfulli sin distinguish human and fallen human make jesu time issu mighti subtl you peopl thing hard whether mean thing whether terminolog don question that problem nestoriu and agre that christ had human form real human natur will heret bit wari copt armenian etc recent discuss suggest that monophysit posit not orthodoxi had thought nestoriu extrem repres two major school thought moder repres regard orthodox theodor mopsuestia impress that modern monophysit group inherit entir tradit not nestoriu version and that suffici balanc posit regard orthodox clh monophysit inherit nestoriu version opposit end spectrum second histor record suggest that posit attribut nestoriu not extrem success oppon wrote convent histori claim nestoriu oppos term theotoko for mari argu correctli that human not call mother god mean athanasian creed talk son uncreat sure even arian conced that jesu exist long mari nestoriu oppon claim that mari not theotoko that claim that gave birth human natur jesu requir two seper and distinct natur argument fail mari simpli gave birth jesu preexist divin you accept nestorian commonli defin natur intertwin chalcedon second not that nestorian not altern orthodox view find hard that pre incarn that jesu human natur heaven likewis post ascens that god earth and natur seper natur capabl tempt gethseman sinc divin natur never tempt moment weak divin natur prevail comment warmli appreci jason albert differ mean subject sin origin complaint didn call jesu fulli human didn sin complet agre that jesu subject temptat simpli object idea that not succumb therebi not fulli human that you not sin order human apolog for confus nestorian and monophysit agre you and that reason that not associ heret posit fact heret scholar maintain that nestoriu not nestorian confess that time read correspond nestoriu and oppon thought scholar that work that eventu led chalcedon advanc and that nestoriu rash and dogmat editor christolog controversi refer reject approach regular usenet reader narrow can impedi wrong thing that problemat respond mild letter cyril flame worthi usenet attribut logo name incarn characterist flesh that conjoin brother work mind err fashion greek that mind diseas insan heresi ariu and apollinari and carri idea thi associ bound make divin logo part fed milk and particip degre growh and stand angel assist fear thing fals put deiti and becom occas condemn for perpetr falsehood and good maintain proper distinct human and divin concept incarn base exactli idea that divin logo fact degre part born grow and dy understood that indirect logo particip thing sort identif divin and human don incarn nestoriu black and white term and miss sort nuanc deal thi area you find hard that pre incarn that jesu human natur heaven don that requir orthodox doctrin divin logo that etern clh
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soc.religion.christian	satan and mtv told that satan angel charg music heaven and top that beauti angel isn funni that dai mtv becom bibl music and beauti dai mtv control band popular matter bad fact polit correct madonna music talent you thi televis station that tell dress start retro fashion craze mtv and madonna gag food for thought wierd theori revel come true todai mtv chang water music and fashion world that beast aris and madonna will whore babylon ride beast and drink blood martyr hmmmm great idea for book movi steven salari lot danger live crew salari carc wustl edu and stupid us foul languag idea philosophi geoff tate queensrych
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl atho rutger edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write di crepanc even charismat organ proper us tongu revelatori interpret for prayer us for signifi believ doubt sinc can pentecost assembl god church christ espous neo pentecost tend view prayer us and sign speak tongu servic not neo pentecost for part attend protest church denomin church view us sign option recommend koberg coupl minor correct church christ not speak tongu fact for strongli oppos pentecost teach you think church god christ largest african american pentecost denomin not you mean signifi believ point that assembl god not held that speak tongu sign that christian doctrin that tradit pentecost includ maintain that speak tongu sign second experi christian baptiz holi spirit that you refer point thi pentecost frequent label believ that you speak tongu order christian such posit held group and not major pentecost pentecost will quot passag mark sign that gener not interpret thi mean you don pactic sign you aren save hard summar belief movement that such divers you made pretti big gener neo pentecost tongu sign and tongu prayer not tongu revelatori messag never heard that fact character believ pentecost like tongu sign spirit baptism neo pentecost not inclin speak tongu pentecost church attend meet and case church will charismat ken banner dept religi studi univers pennsylvania kbanner phila sa upenn edu
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti ann jackson ajackson ubc wrote articl geneva rutger edu jim green write can describ triniti simpl declar sentenc word that common mean answer thi question appear submit help enorm post apolog that middl ag customari for pastor explain triniti parishon analog water water water can exist form liquid ic and vapor for essenc exist form and recent pastor church drew analog found woman perciev wai depend relationship mother wife and employe busi clear that essenc god can subsist father son and holi spirit depend for carol bocher
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christiani think that homosexu and christian compat roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu christ love bryan whitsel wait for thi your question rephras vers bibl condem homosexu belief shove throat homosexu for long time mean christian question interpret vers discuss issu thi issu requir proof your case disproof oppos view familiar vers and proven that condem homosexu behaviour establish reason for not believ thi true base interpret scriptur come grip todd
soc.religion.christian	apolog respond post last week and carri somewhat hostil tone for apolog for not intent creat contriversi piss peopl offend
soc.religion.christian	nation repent christian prai for copor forgiv nation sin michael covington claim lewi lewi made point essai world war christian leader britain urg nation repent for horror sin world war michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi surpris heard thi kind remark fellow grad student sinc had seminari train read essai and not find lewi make such claim lewi condemn us such copor prayer effort platform make polit jab oppon feign confess guilt lord forgiv for allow insert polit issu idea platform exist countri wrong and your forgiv interest know part essai you feel condemn nation repent quot jonathan waugh graduat research associ pulmonari medicin div ohio state univers samp perri columbu jwaugh magnu ac ohio state edu
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt point mari into heaven end life earth piec evid for mari assumpt into heaven fact that christian church claim sight buri christian church claim locat final rest place peter mark and saint claim possess bodi mari greatest saint knew that had into heaven definit scriptur proof for assumpt mari passag suggest passag revel that describ woman give birth son and crown heaven woman thi passag interpret can symbol for church assumpt mari make sens relationship christ jesu perfect god and perfect man fulfil requir law perfectli law god gave honor mother and father and christ act take mother into heaven part fulfil that law flesh that decid not flesh rot grave last point cathol attempt explain cathol doctrin assumpt assert connect belief that mari not die thi not correct summari cathol dogma assumpt carefulli phrase avoid whether mari not die fact consensu cathol theologian that mari fact die thi make sens christ di and mother wait foot cross want share death brian finnerti
soc.religion.christian	christian fight justifi war post thi coupl week ago and doesn appear newsgroup and haven had repli moder intermitt problem mail time excus you thi christian fight last week alastair post question fight and whether such thing justifi war start into thing and jot find haven answer question and slightli tack possibl into deepli and post info duti neighbour good men gal love neighbour ourselv matt act part good samaritan luke troubl will render assist injur man and not part organis peopl harm even medic corp armi etc christian faith citizen commonwealth israel ephesian and recognis that god rule kingdom men and not take part struggl nation not part due faith stranger and pilgrim nation pass and not part nation nation aspir thi can appli polit etc that anoth stori not suppos strive resist evil even suffer defraud incosist for strive assist preserv state christ will destroi return set god kingdom duti state render caesar thing caesar and god thing god luke soul subject higher power for power god power that ordain god whosoev resisteth power resisteth ordin god rom submit ordin man for lord sake whether king suprem for will god that put silenc ignor foolish men pet scriptur make clear that submiss power that divin command equal clear act that ordin man run counter god law refus submiss reason for thi that god bond servant and servic life task exampl type thing col bondserv work heartili lord work boss god press shaken togeth and run oop bit side track contest nation god side side that not fight battl testifi truth god and embrac promis becom fellow citizen saint and household god and longer interest associ world thi relat union etc paul tell lai weight that run race that set and wise will discard associ retard progress thou endur hard good soldier jesu christ man that warreth entangleth affair thi life that hath chosen soldier tim entangl warn not unequ yoke togeth unbeliev obviou applic thi marriag unbeliev cover thing busi partnership and posit form close associ person person not believ truth god thi case armi principl come deut rememb that anim strength clean and unclean law idea strongli stress cor suggest you read thi yoke anoth aspect that servitud and jesu yoke you yoke christ and cannot yoke unbeliev that bondserv christ and paul becom not bondserv men cor exampl testament question ask chr shouldest thou ungodli situat good exampl happen you yoke togeth unbeliev jehoshaphat lucki escap life fact had made affin ahab had sold work wicked lord king ask ahab form militari allianc had agre and thou art peopl thy peopl king unequ yoke sttod firm refus advic fals prophet and insist hear prophet lord thing found that yoke and couldn break evil associ had made god come and separ and touch not unclean thing and will receiv you and son and daughter cor thi found into don answer question rais alastair here summari and thing christian command obedi thi command essenti factor relationship christ john total dedic thi action requir roman disobedi compromis close relationship christ and follow pet separ god rom thi involv master servant relationship rom man can serv two master matt that kosmo lust and pride quit oppos go john christ kingdom not thi world not worldli natur servant fight deliv christ master and not deliv servant kingdom not thi world servant cannot possibl fight for anoth master stranger and pilgrim right and cannot swear allegi god servant lord not war gentl tim thi not appli war avoid strife live war wage not man weapon cor god armour eph post had time into thing bit gideon king phone univers otago fax depart comput scienc mail gideon farli otago box dunedin mail prefer zealand
soc.religion.christian	maria goretti here life maria goretti post kind permiss editor australian cathol magazin morn star hope you put prevent sin maria goretti maria born octob luigi and assunta goretti eldest daughter famili cheer girl imit parent had disir receiv lord bless sacrament date final set for maria receiv lord feast corpu christi for maria time eter niti slowli near great dai final arriv jerom priest celebr mass and give children holi communion deliv sermon immens love jesu christ for and great love return for warmli urg die commit mortal sin maria humbl approach altar god and receiv holi eucharist sad thought father absenc di time for rest dai maria remain spell divin visit that thought chang holi communion end happiest dai maria life twelv month maria had chang giggl girl into quiet young ladi respons mother into field place husband maria iron cook wash and motherli duti thi not for famili for serenelli father and son live goretti own share farm maria poorer children surpass virtu thi ng holi will god month june alessandro serenelli son twice made advanc maria chanc alon occas maria manag struggl free alessandro strong grip second threaten kill even utter word mother thi dai maria live terror fear alessandro attack juli alessandro left work field handkerchief claim storeroom beneath hous maria land babi hear fumbl tool wonder learn that sharpen blade hous and call for maria told wouldn knew need storm land and drag room mar instantli realiz not touch sin you will hell thi point alessandro held knife maria chest floor will you will you not maria gather energi will not alessandro had chosen martyrdom sin god satan overcom rage alessandro plung knife into maria breast fourteen time final sens and thought maria dead frantic threw knife closet and lock room cry babi teresa land brought attent assunta and father alessandro babi unattend and danger fall ran hous find maria cover blood drag door ask happen alessandro stab want make wrong and not ambul arriv polic alessandro ambul carri maria hospit larg crowd foot doctor hospit held hope for poor maria jerom gave maria communion administ last rite and give holi viaticum ask maria forgiv murder for love jesu forgiv for dai join paradis god forgiv for alread maria di clock alessandro and found guilti maria death ag sentenc thirti year prison year violent prison and show ing regret for crime dream midst field flower maria hold bunch white lili wrote local bishop beg god par don for grave sin had commit gave testimoni maria beatif year maria canonis assunta goretti mother present daughter canonis maria goretti pure and grant strength die commit mortal sin saint maria goretti prai for brendan arthur internet simon giaeb monash edu viva cristo rei long live christ king
soc.religion.christian	mormon belief bastard enlighten mormon church view children born wedlock interest stigma attach children oppos parent keen learn not prohibit mormon faith bastard enter heaven name enter big genealog book mormon salt lake citi thi issu offici posit chang time interest learn and belief mail post fine inform pointer appreci elliott rusti harold depart mathemat elharo shiva njit edu jersei institut technolog erh tesla njit edu newark
soc.religion.christian	nation repent mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write heard radio todai christian student confer christian call repent america nation sin such sexual promiscu can repent sin can and claim repent sin not fact judg jesu equip judg activ warn not judg peopl judg not that not judg strictli speak you can repent for for guess don line talk gener repent for contribut particip sin societi for tacit approv silenc sin attitud practic that plain beg for merci hope god will withhold hand judgement countri for sake abraham sought for sake lot hmmm result pretti cautionari time observ and sin activ destruct activ strong impress that folk don christ piti crowd sheep shepherd ring true folk don clue bear respons for not commun wors express judgement and disgust do and alien posit relationship pass posit repent that score real interest question paul marxhausen univers nebraska lincoln grace happen
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu maxwel muir write candor happi proven wrong believ atheism problem will proven wrong mention nonsens psycholog and atheism bob muir ask question sound broken you answer affirm thi answer sound intellectu dishonest bob accus that heinou crime and man think person not time accus polit correct for christian besieg group permit luxuri arrog question for bob world respect atheist want subscrib christian new group difficult time keep and subject bob remind roommat order disbeliev atheism will proven wrong don even wast time that word for respons tell will atheist prayer for good luck bob and regard randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic eastee wkuvx bitnet write question satan taught long time ago that satan angel god and kick heaven challeng god author problem cannot find thi bibl bibl not origin wonder eddi quick answer revel and war heaven michael and angel fought dragon and angel fought back dragon not strong and lost place heaven great dragon hurl that ancient serpent call devil and satan lead world astrai hurl earth and angel earlier part chapter deal symbol satan rose battl michael and good angel place hope thi clear mike walker
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin quick remind you interpret passag your opinion you make sound your opinion undisput fact interpret passag you cite differ great theologian you mention that thing peopl had expertis interpret scriptur you read thi newsgroup that wrong and you opinion notic last word come pretti darn close sin pride futur suggest you not absolutist your interpret contradict highli respect doctor christian mike walker mdw uxa cso uiuc edu univ illinoi
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian atho rutger edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel write think that homosexu and christian compat check roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu homosexu christian check vers us incred pervers interpret simpli not address issu you care and spirit led exegesi gai christian suggest that you stop proof text thing you noth michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	divorc delet articl order discuss specif issu whether accept divorc articl atho rutger edu cr carson washington edu cliff slaughterbeck write marri happili wonder and support husband and gave birth two son not perfect for jane sinc never open deepest part soul husband found that closer women friend husband good and lo husband struggl thi ag decid that lesbian home announc thi understand husband told that had come understand year and wait for come that realiz time children ag and time extrem support youngest put that mean that you love peopl jane and husband agre divorc remain friend and each part extend famili thi dai interest thing that jane thi discuss homosexu not bedroom found that deep commit relationship woman man sex mind part relationship kei thing interconnect peopl made specif point that not that had never met good man sinc marri wonder man for dozen year second and honestli ponder that thought and implic thought implic and scari gener famili broken men decid that leav wive and children for thrill younger attract woman accept that legitim for jane divorc can not accept decis divorc found can deep commit relationship marriag not state mutual journei life love not passiv feel activ will accept for older execut dump wife year stai home care for children can happi sexual beauti young blond real solut for coupl make renew effort hold fast faith not lord repeatedli compar relat peopl faith and endur husband learn deep and mystic marri and remain faith time trial spous brain tumor that left partial paralyz resum grow remiss god perhap time come not sexual relat that life lord not give permiss seek satisfi idea that alright divorc coupl grow apart lead such monstrou destruct mean marriag that feel make effort avoid hint compromis becom petti and small mind that husband threaten divorc wive wive lose weight prais lord for guid marri wife marri despit possibl that terribl ill and turn that brain tumor had wouldn care and car accid tomorrow and becom paralyz neck marri coupl deal situat lord not divorc and run
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ wonder knew templ ceremoni last fifti year you made revel assimil mainstream christian etc that god maker publish quit ago ritual chang sinc interest influenc freemasonri earli mormon smith famili and nauvoo settlement info studi appreci freddi eaton llcoolj athena mit edu
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian can cite biblic refer homosexu immor leviticu vers leviticu spout rest that book christian haven stone long time max bob muir list post not long ago recal lev commonli cite passag stori sodom note that thi homosexu rape and disagr that that wrong intermedi posit thi note that sodom refer bibl for sin doesn specif for homosexu consid cesspool sin jewish attitud homosexu contribut horror action describ almost contriv combin form evil act homosexu rape guest angel thi stori not specif homosexu clear refer paul letter rom passag that presuppos that homosexu evil note that passag isn homosexu idolatri homosexu visit peopl punish result idolatri number argument thi passag not us word homosexu and refer peopl natur heterosexu practic homosexu not call explicit teach homosexu support natur assumpt that paul share gener neg jewish attitud homosexu passag occur list sin cor and tim not clear word us mean suggest that broader mean such wanton and that anoth specif male prostitut don precis teach homosexu weak support evid that paul share neg judgement homosexu jude sometim cite not relev context jude involv angel sinc almost rape sodom angel like that strang flesh refer intercours angel you can evid such that peopl conclus determin approach bibl conserv note that passag paul letter impli that accept prohibit thi for regard endors liber note that specif teach and clear definit prohibit concern rom connect homosexu pagan worship exactli word list sin mean legitim regard thi attitud paul background and not specif teach gospel thi explos topic result long dissert exact mean greek word clear that that irrelev come whether peopl bibl for law whether that such approach inconsist gospel thi appear depend reaction messag bibl percept church todai thi differ approach differ protest and cathol cent and side that bibl side that think quot passag and side will final come sens that make thing frustrat for moder realiz that such optimist outcom not like clh
soc.religion.christian	god moral and massacr listmemb andrew killi wrote respons suggest that genocid sometim will god god work that indescrib evil and unworthi worship faith nobuya higgi higashiyama repli substanc your sourc moral standard you judg god behavior argu that stand judg god action clai talk back potter find contrari view scriptur god propos destroi citi sodom genesi abraham suppos that good men citi will you destroi righteou wick you lord such thing not judg earth told that hebrew bit stronger thi and can perhap render dynam equival shame you lord you such thing that definit good god happen want that statement that god good mean simpli that god that case can love obei god good motiv left for obei that power make sens obei dictat even tell you round jew and extermin you defi you end ga chamber make sens obei god power punish you you don thi ethic theori radic contradict genesi and christian gener theori that make moral judgement worthless make discuss moral good god meaningless not follow that moral judgement infal case judgement case action like achiev good result read scriptur account action god histori action expect god love and desir for leav scriptur and natur world find that natur expect work benevol deiti origen that author natur author scriptur expect find scriptur sort difficulti that find natur that such difficulti exist not argument exist power wisdom and good god contrari absenc such argument suppos that watch bobbi fisher plai chess and suppos that time make move find nod and good move expect move made plai that sign that fisher chess player that expect that move will think suppos induc that even boi that real slip thrown game similarli god understand work univers expect that sometim will made mistak differ fisher chessboard and god control univers that can end chess game fisher win revis earlier infer that careless that made lose queen move earlier lose and can that time had opportun for checkmat two move and not that not good player had thought god hand not thi life total result action ground for judg that bad move part shakier ground for make similar judgement fisher book genesi read that joseph ten older brother good reason found insuffer conspir sell into slaveri egypt eventu viceroi and famin canaan provid for famili brother nervous apolog told not worri you meant evil god turn into good onc heard rabbi speak thi text histori jew larg histori event that catastroph that threaten continu surviv religion peopl amazingli event turn save jew and judaism sale joseph brother look breakup famili fact end reconcili quarrel famin that drove famili canaan look misfortun for fact had stai canaan almost intermarri canaanit and assimil into cultur oppress egyptian gener arriv egypt look disast god us bring egypt and into promis land peopl built templ and regularli offer sacrific babylonian captur jerusalem and judea destroi templ and citi and countrysid and deport peopl babylon you thought that that end peopl and religion not live canaan peopl had constant danger assimil and had turn worship lord worship canaanit fertil cult ritual prostitut and ritual human sacrific babylonian captiv put stop that never jew show interest polyth idolatri worship canaanit mor that babylonian had foothold that judaism had danger simpli system sacrific and templ observ prescrib act worship consist come jerusalem and offer sacrific captiv templ jew invent synagogu place meet for read and studi and discuss scriptur realiz danger forget continu live judea that god not simpli local tribal deiti not control land canaan patron jewish peopl creator world and ruler and judg human time pass and babylonian empir replac that persian and that greek macedonian ruler antiochu epiphan determin stamp judaism and thi end made read and studi torah punish death that thi end judaism not peopl met for worship and read torah portion appoint for dai read passag prophet that had similar theme and discuss that thi time torah call book mose genesi exodu leviticu number and deuteronomi book read and studi synagogu had not for antiochu book prophet forgotten altogeth hatr for judaism save exampl omit for breviti sake you rememb that juli andrew famou eliza doolittl stage product fair ladi warner brother undertook make movi expect that juli had magnific stage plai role movi studio decid establish screen star and cast audrei hepburn juli andrew natur crush realiz that had plai screen role type cast for life eliz doolittl type disast for walt disnei offer role mari poppin and won oscar for present stood smile and walt disnei and special man made thi jack warner memor line even similar spirit jew men provid god preserv judaism and aliv thi dai begin joseph brother and continu two pharaoh nebuchadnezzar antiochu epiphan formal meet had broken woman privat and you talk holocaust weren you answer that exampl that your mind you talk you not talk for not can bear assum that meant that holocaust state israel hear rabbi lectur leap conclus that god depend wicked men accomplish purpos that rabbi thought suppos that wicked fact god that stir joseph brother murder hate and that israelit egypt god harden pharaoh heart that oppress peopl and not and thi rais question action can consid wick and time consid that god brought suggest anoth sculptor log wood propos carv statu log smooth even grain larg knot that spoil appear surfac sculptor consid wood for and carv statu that featur knot that make that interrupt grain and color wood correspond featur statu that observ will fortun sculptor find piec wood knot that place presenc crown touch thing that make statu great work art realiti knot sculptor for challeng skill wood had not contain that flaw made great work art joseph brother had not sold god brought purpos for jewish peopl anoth manner juda had not betrai jesu caiapha and fellow leader had not reject jesu had acknowledg annoint god pilat had conscienc fear and had set jesu free that crucifixion and redempt and salvat not god not juda sin redeem juda had god christ reconcil world not not michelangelo paint sistin chapel interior had shape grand central station and not bobbi fisher won fourth game agianst spasski spasski had refus exchang bishop and had attack fisher knight don bother game question make thi exampl point valid that god us cowardic pilat accomplish purpos and that cowardic not god and that pilat not thwart god plan behav justli and courag make place god mose will harden pharaoh heart that will not peopl christian thi mean that pharaoh puppet god pull string and that stubborn and cruelti not work work god suppos that god tell mose thi you that pharaoh not will peopl not discourag suppos that situat control purpos will not thwart pharaoh choos hear you and peopl and good not will fit resist into plan and fit perfectli that futur historian and theologian will suppos that thrown for loss pharaoh had obei return question that start thi that serb slaughter moslem bosnia instrument god will point wrong joseph brother wrong juda wrong intend for evil god bring good that not make subject condemn and punish second point god will bring good not good that brought serbian had refrain sin robberi and rape and murder good purpos excus duti jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	question agnost damon matter system explan creation you accept you start two premis creation noth creation altern and accept two premis two altern creation random plan random unabl accept that complex natur world interrel interdepend organ and creatur exist left creation control intellig capabl devis such scheme call that intellig god prefer creatio nihilo chao cleaner prove and come choos explan you feel comfort damon you live your choic shalom len howard
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live articl atho rutger edu danc procom daniel cossack write jek nih gov write apostl paul roman point that god chose jacob esau admit possibl that had live previou live and that accord asiat idea karma and roman written jacob love esau hate god love and hate past tens that not born good evil woah context god call special peopl jew carri promis read mean liter peopl miss paul entir point glad send detail explan thi passag interest ted kalivoda tedr athena uga edu univers georgia athen institut higher
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach dave davi write state point provoc studi bibl lean heavili assert that sirach wisdom ben sira ecclesiasticu directli referenc jame fact sirach directli referenc jame job ruth referenc vers good point testament not quot ezra nehemiah esther ruth job ecclesiast song song not quot deuterocanon quotat not disqualifi quotat and wisodm solomon quit influenc paul letter roman roman and wisdom stuff delet agre that principl that cannot consist appli not principl exclud not accord author scriptur requir reason reason tradit fav episcop tradit equivoc thi subject sirach vaticanu sinaiticu don list muratorian canon oldest list sirach and discuss father scriptur not unanim true not accept scriptur niether book testament accept put lie argument book exclud debat and not univers accept hebrew apocalyps peter esther and debat time eventu retain for codex you mention vaticanu and sinaitcu includ deuterocanon both and testament and vaticanu inlcud clement shepard herma and epistl baranaba for muratorian canon deal testament valuabl wit book interim conclus that protest exclus write tradit men hear exclud reform and that appear reason peopl continu exclud taker can reason fail show wrong you not wrong tradit men exlcud will explain below that noth read church nmae divin scriptur canon scriptur and canonci scriptur genesi exodu leviticu number deuteronomi joshua judg ruth book kingdom samuel and king two book paralpomenon chronicl job psalter david book solomon proverb ecclesiast song song wisdom solomon and misatribut wisdom jesu son sirach book twelv minor prophet isaiah jeremiah jeremiah lament baruch and letter count ezekiel daniel tobit judith esther two book ezra ezra and nehemiah two book maccabe and testament book gospel book act apostl thirteen letter paul apostl letter hebrew two peter apostl john apostl jude apostl jame book apocalyps john council hippo statut thi list promulg council carthag and sixth council carthag council list enumer word reciev father that book read church quiet assert name holi scriptur understand book author never doubt church episcop church remov deuterocanon realm scriptur episcopalian hold high regard and read church not count scriptur and not us prove dogma lutheran hold similarli earlier mention call apocrypha divin scriptur can found and below inlcud portion quot call divin scriptur that found write father and thi reason law testament reckon consist twenti two book that correspond number letter hebrew alphabet note that ad tobia and judith twenti book number letter us greek hillari poitier commentari psalm prologu twenti two book hebrew jeremiah lament and letter reckon and maccabe origen commentari psalm psalm divin scriptur address love and boast excel baruch follow clement alexandria instuctor children learn accur book testament proverb solomon and wisdom melito sard fragment found eusebiu histori church and date crica book likewis decre treat divin scriptur univers cathol church accept and shun list testament wisdom book ecclesiasticu book tobit book judith book maccabe two book damasu pope decre damsu section thi can shown that church accept deutero canon part disput person for disput involv testament deutero canon not disqulaifi book hebrew jame peter john jude revel protest ey disqulaifi testament book and point that jew drew canon year found christian religion cross adher canon that drawn faithless reaction chrsitian us greek septuagint includ deutero canon earli justin had accus jew mutil canon scriptur remov book protest appar prefer that god revel limit decre jew order jew faithless canon and that not us peopl apostl draw canon apostl user septuagint testament quot us word septuagint and not hebrew and septuagint includ deuterocanon
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach wagner grace math edu david wagner write deutero canon book ad church histori not spiritu qualiti rest scriptur not church that ad book guid spirit and that thi sort discuss ultim end david wagner confession lutheran god whoah whoah whoah whoah that last paragraph kill deuterocanon accept inspir scriptur cathol church exist longer protest church martin luther began hack bibl and decid remov book not fact that cathol church decid add that reason for differ cathol and protest bibl for tone that comment irk mike walker mdw uxa cso uiuc edu univ illinoi
soc.religion.christian	christian fight justifi war articl gideon otago gideon king write post thi coupl week ago and doesn appear newsgroup and haven had repli moder intermitt problem mail time excus you thi christian fight last week alastair post question fight and whether such thing justifi war start into thing and jot find haven answer question and slightli tack possibl into deepli and post info suggest book ethic norm geisler dalla theolog seminari argument pro and con and and come reason answer time and interest post posit jon nore charter member infj club you dy infj mean brave mail send info jon nore nore netcom jkn intern fred gourmet chocol carlton place phone chip world livermor mail you read alt psycholog person that action
soc.religion.christian	valid peir yuan yeh ask not exactli jewish histori part torah book torah and jewish histori record testament and shown archaeolog king reviv templ and torah book mose come prophet prophet joshua judg samuel king and write psalm proverb lament ruth esther ezra nehemiah ecclesi song song chronicl job and verac isaiah you quot your moslem friend quit complet manuscript exist that date back past and museum israel found dead sea scroll greatli enhanc knowledg verac testament date back time christ oldest complet manuscript hebrew your moslem friend sore mistaken understand jesu crucifi and aton for sin god for death god aton for sin human and isaiah predict messiah will call mighti god and god rose for paul wrote not that death hold and jesu rose dead your moslem friend reason moslem deni authent testament andi byler
soc.religion.christian	revel babylon rex rexlex fnal fnal gov write interest note that occas jubile pope leo had medallion cast imag side and side church rome symbol woman hold left hand cross and cup legend sedet super universum world seat you read into medal worth woman church cathol call church holi mother church and mother exampl cyprian carthag wrote can god for father not church for mother imag church woman hold cross and cup crucifxit lord and power blood grail legend significantli show that thi cup coven blood shed for you and for luke cup repres coven and hold blood redempt fact that woman hold and world for seat that cathol church cathol that univers and found world and church show crucifixt and appli blood redempt mankind thi spread thorugh holi sacrafic mass can and celebr nation malachi predict malachi rise sun set name great gentil and sacrafic and offer name clean oblat for name great gentil lord host and acknowledg paul wrote for you eat thi bread and drink thi cup you show lord death come corinthian you quit identif babylon great mother harlot rome simpli disagre time period rome apostl john talk andi byler
soc.religion.christian	revel babylon hal heydt write that fall western empir eastern empir continu for anoth year and kei element fall christian sack constantinopl note that fall rome not empir roman empir last transfer capit constantinopl main reason for fall not sack constantinopl men crusad not christian had excommun last man attack christian citi zara croatia disastor defeat battl mazinkert turk breach frontier matter time empir fell inabl empir hold rim anatolia ottoman and rum seljuk middl quit obviou student histori sack constantinopl hasten inevit for greek had want save empir not cooper crusad battl saracen crusad obstinaci cooper peopl consid heret even heret fight for empir and christendom battl turkish hord anatolia edessa lebanon palastin and syria hord sack constantinopl and overrun europ balkan hungari ukrain caucasu etc andi byler
soc.religion.christian	translat articl atho rutger edu virginia edu andi beyer write version bibl you accur translat know greek and hebrew not picki translat english translat sourc inform vers that come substanti tran lation almost unclear origin bad practic shop for translat that fit your doctrin posit person rsv nrsv and nasv good strong prefer for edit that not indent begin each vers vers paragraph vers number rel modern addit and not undu promin michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin haven sin and come short glori god roman that cite thi scriptur claim that even babe requir baptism neglect that sin not imput law roman capabl comprehend god law not account for live book life and not remov can make consciou decis disobei god idler babi not suppos baptis doesn bibl never come and peopl that wrong taught can baptis christ solemli assur you can enter god kingdom born water and spirit not surpris that you you begotten thi born origin sin mike
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker nabil ayoub write final note orient orthodox and eastren orthodox sign common statement christolog heresei monophysit condemn coptic orthodox church not monophysit coptic church will and energi christ two human and divin will and energi object copt pope rome coptic cathol church you reject suprem jurisdict sucessor peter bless john mark bishop alexandria translat for and predecessor infal thing perhap andi byler
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god vera shanti noy write thi that you predestin correct not predestin choos whether not will accept god gift salvat fundament differ can resolv predestin biblic doctrin roman show passag church taught predestin begin that predestin not mean not free will men freeli choos life affect grace god unlik calvinist and jansenist hold that grace resist you end idioci deni univers save will god timothi for god give grace save elect foreknew predestin and receiv grace final perserver guarante heaven thi not mean that that grace can save mean that god foreknew obstinaci and chose not give know not had freeli chosen hell peopl save save grace god and not effort for god dispos and predestin becom saint perish everlast fire perish harden heart and chose perish deserv god punish had reject creator and sin work holi spirit god judg will mete that punish last judgement hold that god bless for good even for can bless life bless thi and will not punish life will chastis thi purgatori for sin sin incur tempor punish god will punish satisfact made for samuel david sin adulteri and murder forgiven punish death child and not point idea punish god judgement quit prevel bibl sodom and gommorrah mose bar holi land slaughter cannanit annia and saphira jerusalem etc jesu stop stone adulter woman perhap thi not good parallel not stop murder and violat peopl not innoc stop slaughter innoc proverb that mean that christian support war bosnia even involv not isolationist and disagre foreign adventur gener case bosnia frankli excus for get militarili involv not war bless peacemak lord not interventionist action bosnia for peac and not for war unrel justifi for andi byler
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin eugen bigelow write doesn bibl that god fair god sic thi true can thi possibl fair infant you mean fair god give deserv infant sin time concept roman psalm cannot possibl merit heaven and purgatori for purg tempor punish and venial sin imposs that origianl sin can forgiven unbapt infant cut god human race mari sin jesu you can enter kingdom god born water and spirit true mean born john infant sin fair for cut god and exlcud heaven augustin not invent origin sin cathol faith hold ancient time you deni doubt follow heresi nuptii lib andi byler
soc.religion.christian	obviou isn polit correct last state church massachusett sam adam patriot brewmast tenur governor revolutionari war pass elimin dan
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soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian bruce liv bruce stephen suggest level accept homosexu regard homosexu orient sin evil regard homosexu behaviour sin accept orient orient unfortun and dislik peopl indulg love sinner accept homosexu altogeth add church accept homosexu orient hold peopl standard sexual behavior promiscu abus power relationship harrass compuls equal place live homosexu heterosexu peopl thi bring dread shibboleth homosexu marriag and couldn that billh
soc.religion.christian	ethnic worship jerryl payn write sublim cultur for sake you perceiv uniti antithet messag inclus that you preach agre except that don preach ignor cultur bodi unifi question melt pot boil ourselv legitim express stew maintain textur integr express divers uphold uniti thought releas church us latin mass uniti speak peopl common languag divers revel that centuri church congreg each major citi unifi church each citi peopl cultur natur form stew member heritag nevertheless bodi met togeth sometim smaller group home and sometim bigger group place such templ court citi and you will find that common languag associ that region for instanc rome latin spoken unit state todai english spoken make sens that congreg citi speak common languag and not necessarili latin natur you expect lead evangelist preach common languag centuri church peopl congreg speak tongu translat messag for peopl foreign ethnic group todai you don peopl speak tongu translat sermon even call pentacost church modern dai equival lingual speaker unifi church member sometim call intern church christ meet togeth sundai headphon peopl don speak english hear ongo translat sermon nativ tongu neat idea huh meet size group random sort sundai sometim will meet haitian spanish speak peopl for exampl will hear evangelist preach nativ languag addit meet small group coupl time week for bibl discuss group and devot speak languag will almost peopl speak languag assum congreg larg for meet for peopl speak common languag can touch cultur want will equal deep friendship church relationship peopl nation purpos church thwart thi action action let cathol worship nativ languag latin not second paragraph respons second clip your articl you mean action form denomin base cultur purpos church thwart assum second possiblil answer your clip enhanc for paul exhort becom that reach person group peopl feel comfort not give place can feel comfort heritag and ov god guess aaron you met peopl help proud cultur heritag denomin didn you larg isol qualiti christian friendship your nation and your denomin give peopl place feel comfort heritag will thi that not destroi church uniti encourag friendship discipl thi approach group that you cite sound group wonder intent thing wrong and name african methodist episcop church make cring not understand that racism past that caus such group form unit that hard for peopl thi newsgroup imagin bodi peopl earth quit and work make happen smaller step uniti take word african your denomin name perhap somedai long time you can remov methodist episcop part and simpli part church regard inclus note tht your sig emit mit you tute religi and cultur diversifi and not come immedi comfort english american cultur conduct campu church church for sake uniti organ kcf help student america make transit cultur languag and thought church for sake uniti and help student america make transit cultur languag and thought shouldn make denomin solv problem denomin mindset problem sadli am church retain african cutlur root express mean exclus sinc you live cambridg invit you visit local assembl you for invit that show that you heart spread gospel jesu part your cultur heritag you for respond post can time consum idea celebr your cultur pave good intent feel that you restor and preserv uniti time church boston church acapella sing that you mention your post doesn limit express mexican cultur even mit campu ministri and not spanish speak zone made commit god that will sundai servic church that brother and sister fulli devot love for god discipl don tongu you pick understand biblic christian will visit your congreg provid that doesn interfer normal worship sinc you live cambridg extend invit you visit servic you you can meet mit student student center across mass av sundai leav for worship simpli call wednesdai night find servic will held dai number will week and for rest summer servic last noon occasion earlier time per year strive reach gospel mean move milk meat petti thing world that tempor separ will dissolv and stand nake realiz that god shed grace delight creation strive grow obedi lord men and women god heart aaron bryce cardena net net mit undergradu student aaron cardena environment engin snail mass av aaronc athena mit edu mail cambridg good for two week speak anoth psalm hymn and spiritu song sing and make music your heart lord give god father for name lord jesu christ ephesian
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christiani articl atho rutger edu todd nickel laurentian write question interpret vers establish reason for not believ thi true base interpret scriptur come grip interpret homosexuy wrong vers can interpret read and surround text christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt articl atho rutger edu brian finnerti bfinnert chaph usc edu write last point cathol attempt explain cathol doctrin assumpt assert connect belief that mari not die thi not correct summari cathol dogma assumpt carefulli phrase avoid whether mari not die fact consensu cathol theologian that mari fact die thi make sens christ di and mother wait foot cross want share death articl good short summari tradit christian teach death mari good question virgin mari micheal walker tell stori add that eastern orthodox church celebr dormit fall asleep theotoko mother god icon for thi dai show mari ly bed surround apostl weep christ resurrect glori hold small child thi fact mari soul christ heaven assumpt mari confirm for christian that christ conquer death forshadow gener resurrect last dai discipl not surpris find mari bodi miss grave mother savior christian gave birth word god not for not save thi prai orthodox church prayer theotoko savior save timothi richardson rich student umn edu
soc.religion.christian	hell articl atho rutger edu mdw cbnewsg att mark wuest write articl atho rutger edu shellgat llo psi larri overack write you knew doubt that hell not exist and that unbeliev simpli remain dead you remain christian interest question esp sinc rememb wish heart that thi true that wouldn good christian anymor christian terribl hard reward heaven and sometim good accept want you knew thi doubt you foolish discipl man claim exist truth you can not jesu discipl and disagre time not allow your lord jesu for sinc found month ago not want lose period that origin interpret christ never mention sheol and weep and gnash teeth christ preach that not follow di and stai dead and that point forev ceas exist fear base religion not faith relationship made follow christ great live life and care happen die buddhist great live life not convert that can complet christ you that buddhist can complet jen includ stdisclaim jenk microsoft msdo test
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl geneva rutger edu new cbnewsk att write basic teach infal hold that pope infal matter faith and doctrin colleg bishop likewis infal and laiti not exactli correct nice cathol doctrin infal refer freedom error teach univers church matter faith moral thi teach doctrin randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu
soc.religion.christian	save turn that paragraph oft us platitud can count time heard common tactic anymor you not that doesn chang fact that true analog trust your parent sheesh point parent can show children that that differ capabl alon crush that analog fact christian turn belief seek fact knowledg can and evid for belief can christian receiv christian had problem ask explain actual evid not you person not specif somewhat miracul exampl truth god work follow soemth that happen for year accid had sever complic tripl fractur left leg and surgeri pin put remov bone perfectli heal infectoin that detect constant pain and ankl and foot swollen and bluish complicatio develop leg explain specialist and sophist test northern illinoi region explain durin gthat summer june exact gave life and heart christ and vow relinquish control life never had for cross and fact that life screw fix face possibl lifetim wheelchair confin order save leg damag sinc problem unknown had for month that dai found or coincident that week put faith mouth long line doctor and not even orthopeod specialist diagnos problem difficulti set path effect cure and walk and run pain that had stop that for year diagnosi felt doctor overlook perfectli obviou test result thi doesn hit you miracul imagin activ year told not walk mcuh longer and happi year can danc and run know that problem and reveal knew song god awesom god
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl geneva rutger edu marka hcx ssd csd harri mark ashlei write cite articl geneva rutger edu mmh dc qmw matthew huntbach simpl test peopl can speak languag chines russian german english gift start speak toungu audienc understand gift nativ languag gift can hear speak languag work everytim thi thread start silli such nonsens not belong and hurt read post thi issu chose whetev want not allow defin christian part you that not vice versa not give plai joke your belief that your miracl not work you designet and even you collect group peopl you describ reason your miracl happen god miracl not human head for goal path rememb that spend etern togeth can not stand your view earth can possibl stand spend etern togeth you tongu question belief not wether you jesu you that give you thi gift gift mention bibl evid bibl that peopl not accept gift perhap gift glorifi god perhap wit real miracl peopl receiv spiritu gift interest glorifi glorifi god don thi case not suggest that gift fake bibl you will find that jesu not miracl that noth father tell perhap woulkd for live that exampl bjorn mail mail bjorn larsen bjorn larsen delab sintef sintef delab trondheim tel norwai fax
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept marida ignacio write angel gabriel hail mari full grace lord you bless art thou women even mari confus thi greet explan for reaction angel greet that grasp angel get that mother messiah and knew thi entail suffer thi gave moment paus
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin consequ origin sin cathol that adam primarili lost sin for and human race sanctifi grace thi basic share divin life rock and make talk god human sanctifi grace similar make such live plane that power creatur thi everlast life that testament speak christ restor thi life sanctifi grace human race institut sacrament mean thi life peopl and increas foster absenc sanctifi grace death mean automat exclus heaven natur heaven such that imposs for human part gift sanctifi grace us exampl take that rock and attempt hold convers rock cannot talk can human be live heaven sanctifi grace thi appli equal infant adult sinc soul infant baptiz cannot enter into heaven thi form life cannot enter into heaven turn infant baptism good support evid for cathol belief sanctifi grace baptism chang infant soul reason insist practic infant baptism practic apostl and part church shortli thereaft evid for infant baptism testament cor act act for that discipl apostl john baptiz infant polycarp remark make act martyrdom justin martyr mention men and women baptiz infant direct evid irenaeu heresi and tertullian baptism mention year lord death that start ton evid for practic
soc.religion.christian	ancient canon roman rite juxtaposit part ancient text sacramenti attribut ambros milan and canon tradit cathol mass roman rite conclus thi comparison that central part tradit roman canon fairli place late centuri mass western rite reverend dom fernand cabrol abbot farnborough permiss excerpt chapter mass rome seventh centuri paragraph end book not long line joe buehler text sacramenti roman canon roman canon english translat igitur omit memento domin communicant hanc igitur oblationem fac nobi inquit sacerdo quam oblationem deu thou god deign hanc oblationem ascriptam omnibu quaesumu bless offer and ratam rationabilem benedictam adscriptam make approv acceptabilem quod figura ratam rationabilem effect and est corpori sanguini acceptabilemqu facer wholli pleas jesu christi digneri nobi corpu that becom sangui fiat dilectissimi for good bodi filii tui domini nostri jesu and blood thy dearli christi belov son jesu christ lord qui pridi quam pateretur qui pridi quam pateretur dai sancti manibu sui accepit panem sancta suffer bread into accepit panem respexit venerabil manu sua holi and vener caelum sanct pater elevati oculi ccelum hand and rais omnipoten aetern deu deum patrem suum ey heaven gratia agen benedixit omnipotentem tibi gratia thee god almighti fregit fractum quae agen benedixit fregit father give apostoli sui discipuli deditqu discipuli sui thee bless broke sui tradidit dicen dicen accipit and gave accipit edit hoc manduc hoc omn hoc discipl omn hoc est enim corpu est enim corpu meum and eat thi meum quod pro multi for thi bodi confringetur similit etiam calicem simili modo postquam manner postquam caenatum est caenatum est accipien supper take pridi quam pateretur hunc praeclarum calicem thi goodli chalic accepit respexit sancta venerabil manu into holi and caelum sanct pater sua item tibi gratia vener hand omnipoten aetern deu agen benedixit deditqu give thee gratia agen benedixit discipuli sui dicen bless and gave apostoli sui discipuli accipit bibit discipl sui tradidit dicen omn hic est enim calix and drink accipit bibit hoc sanguini mei novi thi for thi omn hic est enim sangui aeterni testamenti chalic blood meu mysterium fidei qui pro and etern coven vobi pro multi mysteri faith effundetur remissionem shed for peccatorum you and for forgiv sin haec quotiescumqu fecer you mei memoriam facieti thing memori you ergo memor gloriosissima und memor domin no mind eju passioni inferi servi tui sed pleb tua lord not resurrectioni caelum sancta ejusdem christi bless passion ascensioni offerimu tibi filii tui domini nostri tam christ thy son hanc immaculatam hostiam beata passioni necnon lord hunc panem sanctum inferi resurrectioni resurrect calicem vita aeterna sed caelo gloriosa dead and final ascensioni offerimu gloriou ascens into praeclara majestati tuae heaven thy minist tui doni dati hostiam thy holi peopl puram hostiam sanctam offer thy suprem hostiam immaculatam panem majesti gift sanctum vita aeterna bestow calicem saluti perpetua pure victim holi victim perfect victim holi bread life etern and chalic unend salvat petimu precamur supra quae propitio and thi thou deign hanc oblationem suscipia sereno vultu respicer regard graciou and sublimi altari tuo per manu digneri accepta haber kindli attent and hold angelorum tuorum sicut sicuti accepta haber accept thou didst susciper dignatu munera dignatu munera pueri tui deign accept pueri tui justi abel justi abel sacrificium offer abel thy sacrificium patriarcha patriarcha nostri abraha servant and nostri abraha quod tibi quod tibi obtulit summu sacrific abraham obtulit summu sacerdo sacerdo tuu melchisedech patriarch and that melchisedech sanctum sacrificium thy chief priest immaculatam hostiam melchisedech offer thee holi sacrific and spotless victim supplic rogamu humbl implor omnipoten deu jube haec thee almighti god bid perferri per manu sancti offer ang tui sublim altar brought hand tuum conspectu divina thy holi angel thy majestati tuae etc altar face thy divin majesti etc doubt that two edit text and that sacramenti localis upper itali and date year ancient wit possess princip part roman canon sacramentari time seventh centuri question whether roman canon not older even that sacramenti discuss liturgiologist mgr batiffol thi opinion contrari that bear trace closer composit carefulli guard orthodoxi and that text correct sacramenti studi list name memento live and that dead that mgr batiffol argu good reason that can date fragment pontif symmachu state roman mass chief part canon begin fourth centuri
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu fil sapienza med umich edu fil sapienza write interest find peopl becom atheist believ god god convers group sens anger hostil don mean impli that atheist angri hostil motiv for give faith atheism result broken ness field thi believ and follow christ experi religion haven that posit fact point life for dai simpli couldn exist god back troubl had fall into two categori impuls unbelief that result logic contradict and impuls unbelief that result frustrat god categori doesn occur anymor work argument for exist god back problem and struggl faith continu can stubborn and mean stubborn stubbor thing stand atheism time time fail second categori aris long term person difficulti and struggl live life god live live life god live good exampl thi struggl radic christian meet not fire for chirst and don want nevertheless not lukewarm faith don fit mainstream quit natur feel lot anxieti disloc christian societi and can lead lot intern tension want anoth part believ that want wrong christian quit natur thi tension destruct effect relationship god and thi intern strife atheism sit promis land rule respons live expect complet freedom illus nevertheless appeal illus call peopl god behav total twit can easili understand that rout and hostil come back imho christian turn atheist activ hostil christian experi christ and god wasn peac mind control and shut and you told for you god will and you young god will courtesi christ overzeal follow final reason peopl becom atheist christian not good reput thing that attract peopl christian ancient dai love that christian had for anoth and world unlik rest world christian commun activ care for poor and christian rich not trod back poorer brother bent christian for live exemplari live even thought traitor state wouldn sacrific empor nowadai courtesi media and christian leader lost christ power peopl christian sexual repress hippocrit busibodi want remak societi into facist version moral view lot reason peopl becom atheist don time into tom ault
soc.religion.christian	god moral and massacr jek nih gov jame kiefer write stuff delet point wrong joseph brother wrong juda wrong intend for evil god bring good that not make subject condemn and punish second point god will bring good not good that brought serbian had refrain sin robberi and rape and murder good purpos excus duti you that god exercis direct control influenc human doesn control thought action take whether intend for evil not and turn into good that thi idea conflict belief that god gave human free will can determin imposs reconcil two idea god exert influenc anytim imped free will you that god not give complet and unab free will sort condit free will that make choic and control live god us fulfil good purpos harden heart control hear alot peopl event catastrophi thing aid epidem and make comment god will difficult time understand peopl that god control that happen thi planet possibl ask prayer bibl pharoah mose peopl two plagu god harden heart mose cast plagu egyptian last plagu caus death innoc children god imped pharoah free will and us puppet god thi not free hebrew free sort grand fashion suppos hebrew point view thi turn bad into good egyptian didn thi your exampl god turn bad into good base show favort group peopl anoth good base your point view god suppos god human plai favorit
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu maxwel muir write you give amatu psysocholog candor happi proven wrong problem will proven wrong sound broken you absolut not journei lukewarm christian agnostic atheism agnostic and faith christian path jeff johnson jcj tellab
soc.religion.christian	revel babylon woo had interpret figur whore babylon rev unit state america mho figur fallen spiritu power corrupt and oppress human societi histor jerusalem histor rome dare suggest that passag layer mean propheci reveal god judgement corrupt idolatr state oppress chosen peopl that god judgement extend onc chosen citi despit that citi special call reject god grace decis time rev isn rev equal suggest rome jerusalem that usofa guilti crime rome babylon and equal subject god judgement that good book encompass viewpoint reveal corrupt spiritu power war mankind societi that creat clever huh flame argu mari view lot sens deliber contrast rev and rev mortal jerusalem chosen god never histor fulfil vocat and jerusalem perfect histori pure god grace detail rev sit water rev singl stream jersualem river life flow throne god and lamb rex didn understand your post relev babylonian mysteri religion thi elabor your idea book rev you freak idea primarili spiritu interpret rev mail can unknown illeg user reflex fnal fnal gov you not tell
soc.religion.christian	question hell basi idea hell place etern suffer biblic refer train thought god earth manufactur heavenli be logic that yield and amount wast yield heaven and wast burn destroi hell punish wast destroi peac and joi dale wyttenbach
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker articl atho rutger edu nabil cae wisc edu nabil ayoub write final note orient orthodox and eastren orthodox sign common statement christolog heresei monophysit condemn coptic orthodox church not monophysit thi point that overlook end year schism sight theologian that differ fundament terminolog and that christolog faith group parish concelebr eucharist and southern africa run joint theolog train for coptic and byzantin orthodox thing sort copt concern ecumen council whili byzantin orthodox acknowledg steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu write think that homosexu and christian compat check roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu wouldn that for sin father told grow cathol not allow associ divorc vers prohibit divorc divorc accept even catholic anul longer sin associ divorc person point that each person temptat deal paul repeatedli talk thorn side refer lust pride thorn appar not compat christian that make epistl bibl warn judg greed anxieti impur thought bear grudg etc etc suppos seek call christian entertain impur thought and oust greed outta jesu point that physician for sinner attempt make homosexu feel unwelcom discomfort homosexu incompat christian hatr deep that becom closer jesu jesu screen guilti sin mistrust jesu can forgiv sin peopl jesu encount sinner and pharise sinner embrac and forgav pharise hypocritc unmerci righteou point sin and not seek and not gain forgiv sin thi and vers that not admit sin sin will not forgiven and sinc guilti even sin guilti law not repent judg guilti guilti commit sin judg poor spirit meek humbl merci pure heart peacemak thirst for justic suffer for sake bless joe moor
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu jwindlei cheap utah edu jai windlei write interpret christian histori thi matter recal that gnostic written enemi eusebiu claim that jesu impart secret inform peter jame and john resurrect and that apostl transmit that inform rest twelv eusebiu historia ecclesiastica thi curiou read lord impart gift knowledg jame john and peter resurrect deliv rest apostl and seventi barnaba eusebiu ecclesiast histori that lord impart gift knowledg not that lord impart secret inform apostl interestingli eusebiu refer group todai call gnostic promulg fals gnosi eusebiu cit iii gripe not that thai profess gnosi that had wrong afraid that cannot find thi portray don anywher eusebiu mention that gnostic had wrong gnosi closest eusebiu summar hegesippu statement whilst that attempt pervert sound doctrin save gospel skulk dark retreat can approach thi and such evid wai don intend that interpret christian histori that evid exist favor interpret earli christian rite analog practic mormon todai favor interpret two refer that you gave handi irenaeu and clemetin recognit will for room for such interpret and such interpret fall short equival templ ceremoni link for jai for support impart gift knowledg impart secret inform secret sign and token gain entranc heaven not equival idea for call thi favor interpret appear closer fabric robert weiss psyrobtw ubvm buffalo edu
soc.religion.christian	mormon belief bastard articl atho rutger edu erh tesla njit edu write enlighten mormon church view children born wedlock interest stigma attach children oppos parent keen learn not prohibit mormon faith bastard enter heaven name enter big genealog book mormon salt lake citi thi issu offici posit chang time interest learn and belief mail post fine inform pointer appreci sinc wife your gentl term bastard can speak bit author thi stigma associ children conceiv and born wedlock rest sole parent commit sexual transgress for repent child priori limit concept blame child for parent sin mormon find appal note that ld theologi reject origin sin term defin and subsequ for infant baptism moroni book mormon ld doctrin step and case hold parent respons for children sin fail bring properli note that thi passag appli member ld church note that big genealog book salt lake citi ld church massiv storag facil nearbi mountain contain microfilm vital statist record birth christen baptism marriag death gather entir world misrememb record for billion peopl that vault time ld church build line genealog databas case kind worthi screen whether can enter potenti issu that establish parent and that appli case databas bruce bruce webster love constitut thi land cto page softwar inc hate damn rascal that bwebster page administ import page disclaim attribut brigham young arriv separ post clh follow follow misunderstand term bastard never year ld church membership heard appli formal inform child born wedlock and rightli consid vulgar offens term not echo express repli hope that poster recogn offens natur word context post repli rememb that subtl point lost net and figur spell bruce bruce webster bwebster page
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu loisc microsoft loi christiansen write you visit congreg christian happen homosexu that spirit fill believ not mcc you lump togeth troi perri gee real crimin robber muder drug addict fun love care peopl your point peopl nice isn satan haydai pit christian christian issu can homosexu reach homosexu for christ not chang bring christ doesn want gai can chang that live moral life commit sex and god move live chang hate sin and not sinner beliv homosexu wrong don hate peopl don don hate kid wrong and lie don admit wrong don make effort improv repent punish thi quit you want care you satan work destroi sens and wrong feel goodism convinc you that you god kind adam and ev stori read and compar todai mental you supris
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist ken happen you die you purpos your life you chanc you famili you and friend you you your search fill void that exist your life you can fill that void dave
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu prism gatech edu randal lee nichola mandock write bob remind roommat order disbeliev atheism will proven wrong don even wast time that word for respons tell will atheist prayer for atheist prayer
soc.religion.christian	athiest and hell articl atho rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write delet point todai mason note that worship osiri egypt delet bug thi kind nonsens reason evid link masonri ancient egypt even that exist prior late centuri and noth definit second worship osiri not part mason practic strictli denomin tangent never end tangent you rex peter trei ptrei mitr org editor mason digest
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu write christian can feel that sens differ associ weird televangelist talk satan you excus clich sound thi deal differ peopl can understand atheist hard for you christian sometim hard for thi not compar christian main stream western cultur you trivial experi rememb christian told time that and fact that member church christian believ god weren bad atheist small minor that noth compar atheist thing compar young child christian surround staunch atheist includ parent activ persecut religi tendanc actual punish and even wors emot blackmail mainstream societi side condit occur soviet union not countri god pledg allegi doubt even children taught christian and support sympathi for gai grow repress environ and hide and sometim deni part case ration sexual forc repress pressur you chose your belief you that not your choic born necess flame whether not gai peopl choos lifestyl that thi newsgroup atheism born necess for intellectu honest person belief respons evid will wish noth choos lie silent true belief choos god christian decid that ordinari sky red clear that not equat gai mistak assum that pain experi broken happili made stronger onc past that wasn hurt experi church friend didn becom atheist hurt differ not understand thi sentenc you explain not detail and violat confid childhood friend suffic that religion not guarante that person will happi and strong emotion and repress upbring can leav scar even don free doubt that sane and sincer person doubt that and feel defend happier and stronger closet end eloqu put privat email experi liber disillus bill mayn
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian ml panix michael siemon write atho rutger edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel write think that homosexu and christian compat check roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu homosexu christian check vers us incred pervers interpret simpli not address issu can that vers not address issu coupl not requir incred pervers interpret order condemn homosexu not deceiv fornic idol adulter effemin homosexu thiev covet drunkard revil swindler inherit kingdom god and such you cor care comment fact that fornic will not inherit kingdom god thi appli homosexu understand fornic sex marriag thi accur definit such thing sex marriag bibl understand that testament bless sexual intercours husband and wife will listen scriptur evid contrari you not lie male li femal abomin you not intercours anim defil woman stand anim mate pervers lev notic that vers forbid bestial immedi follow vers prohibit appear homosexu intercours testament passag that condemn even mention intercours anim argu for legitimaci homosexu intercours that bibl condemn bestial pervers and that vers you cite prove that bestial pervert and sin vers you cite refut interpret differ can christian zoophil subject sexual desir that not choos and that peopl regard pervert and sin understand that not ask question antipathi fellow peopl altern orient that read bibl attitud bibl and not want bibl choos not give pervert sexual desir bibl whether not that such thing sin frustrat time and had dai don blame god for thi blame sin mark ambigu mean word passag you quot liber and conserv sourc agre that homosexu not gener term for homosexu like mean homosexu prostitut that doesn meant that biblic evid vanish natur evid such that you can quot vers and solv thing your argument fornic circular homosexu wrong fornic fornic not marri aren marri church refus marriag ceremoni church refus marriag ceremoni homosexu wrong order break circl reason homosexu wrong clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christiani whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel write interpret homosexuy wrong vers can interpret read and surround text that exactli ask homosexu commun that proper term decid that christian not homosexu behaviour condon interpret vers guess for homosexu respons todd
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu fil sapienza med umich edu fil sapienza write interest find peopl becom atheist believ god god convers group sens anger hostil don mean impli that atheist angri hostil motiv for give faith atheism result broken ness atheist suprem world and wonder and incred and love peopl and thing don god that made thi amaz and beauti team life world live
soc.religion.christian	war christian fight articl atho rutger edu david hsr david sjoen write person that christian shouldn fight christian not suppos defend ourselv matt heb war result sin defens reaction attack don that christian part thi you defend you kill and oppress continiu oblig protect innoc
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ secreci ld ceremoni clh christ sum quit nice cast pearl swine peopl thing that sacr you will belittl you belittl
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt hate sound flippant shot mouth badli net afraid that thi materi add feel that assumpt mari phrase assumpt mari time read mari thi group can not recal read mari that not sound wish vener scant scriptur foundat find testament real portrait christ parent compellingli human person honor and admir for humil and submiss god work doubt almalga mation theori and dogma that accret imag alien and inhuman creatur untouch sin human desir christ sanctifi and even knew temptat albeit submit don necess holi parent sanctifi normal human sound inabl grasp immens god grace incarn dinari human won start yell peopl worship mari etc sinc folk told that lose part god incarn christ make parent sinless sexless deathless otherworldli be paul marxhausen univers nebraska lincoln grace happen
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god articl atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write predestin predestin biblic doctrin roman show passag church taught predestin begin you proof and not div school student cathol church not accept predestin chaplain told bewar greek bear gift refer thi doctrin curiou result that human be not held respons for action answer you deal thi minut that predestin not mean not free will men freeli choos life affect grace god unlik calvinist and jansenist hold that grace resist you end idioci deni univers save will god timothi that doesn predestin continu you for god give grace save elect foreknew predestin and receiv grace final perserver guarante heaven thi not mean that that grace can save mean that god foreknew obstinaci and chose not give know not had freeli chosen hell thi confus sinc that christ jesu di for preknowledg obstinaci convolut account for coupl vers not biblic support thi opinion peopl save save grace god and not effort for god dispos and predestin becom saint perish everlast fire perish harden heart and chose perish deserv god punish had reject creator and sin work holi spirit god grace margarin spread need and not isn and save and not save and noth hmmmm god judg will mete that punish last judgement hold that god bless for good even for can bless life bless thi realiz thi doctrin not origin intend social problem end that suppos sort sign that elect lot children success work good life earth will think that don doom hell thi sound opposit idea doom hell will great life earth that almost convers respons for will punish die you die direct bear live strang and will not punish life will chastis thi purgatori for sin sin incur tempor punish god will punish satisfact made for samuel david sin adulteri and murder forgiven punish death child and not point idea punish god judgement quit prevel bibl sodom and gommorrah mose bar holi land slaughter cannanit annia and saphira jerusalem etc sin punish and not sort half punish grei area thi doctrin stuff delet stop slaughter innoc proverb that mean that christian support war bosnia even involv not isolationist and disagre foreign adventur gener case bosnia frankli excus for get militarili involv not war bless peacemak lord not interventionist action bosnia for peac and not for war unrel justifi for idea idea that you interven establish peac and stop atroc not suggest wwiii don understand you mean war not isolationist merit not jump opportun can you kuwait happen big countri lot resourc lot debt and thi respons world whether not flashback wwii vietnam haunt anoth differ opinion andi byler you for answer hope you don comment flame express interest vera your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write and note that monophysit chruch egypt and syria hold thi belief part divin revel even broke uniti chruch reject council chalcedon argu protest that cathol and orthodox made thi belief monophysit put big hole that notion hold belief and split chruch belief annunci write lost time father belief that church egypt and syria monophysit fals belief that held that council chalcedon nestorian misunderstand exacerb polit factor and led schism schism that heal steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
soc.religion.christian	mercuri refer fundamentalist christian parent mondai morn edit san jose mercuri new articl sandra gonzal top page explain convict killer david edwin mason troubl childhood rais oakland and san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parent mason beaten child onc ti workbench and gag cloth accid urin mother walk bedroom window court record show san jose mercuri new come articl start rais oakland mexican parent mason beaten face red anger injustic mexican famili member and mexican commun sandra gonzal equal upset that open biggotri thi practic and encourag san jose mercuri new point christian commun can good christian continu purchas newspap and bui advertis thi kind newspap thi bad journal upset
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live smayo world std scott mayo write gerri palo write noth christian that preclud idea repeat live earth doesn appoint man onc die and judgement don concord dim memori that thi appear bibl fairli specif context for judgement that decid issu heb clh that depend thi vers read two mean word onc time and time onc time note that previou vers word onc us second mean and vers onc us second mean greek word for each two mean for english word onc not greek scholar can verifi greek word us for thi mean second mean us that vers can interpret for onc for men die begin adam thi gift aton offer jesu christ judgement made for longer death life christ daniel cossack danc procom compuserv senior softwar engin dupont drive irvin procom technolog inc
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari andrew byler andrew cmu edu wrote greatli extol mari quit obviou that god even part god equal god assumpt bless mother meant that close identif redempt work christ assum note that not ascend bodi and soul into heaven and elijah enoch mose perfect heaven virgin mari superior glorif previous mention personag provoc thought answer job logic consist papal declar cannot surpass and leav protestant odium noth man religion metaphys represent woman protestant not suffici attent sign time point equal women thi equal requir metaphys anchor figur divin woman bride christ person christ cannot replac organ bride cannot church feminin masculin demand equal person represent dogmat assumpt not dogmat view mean that mari attain statu goddess mistress heaven and mediatrix function par christ king and mediat rate posit satisfi archetyp par jung stick psycholog get into theologi jung made clear that talk psycholog not theologi comment had psycholog imag god and function human psych not actual exist natur god revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti articl atho rutger edu you write comment long that don want repeat send email back author not intend descript similar deiti that for letter your comment help last comment realiz that not intend sound that understand spiritu colud and time descript thi platon sound special plead sort seper be wai trust accept fact descript triniti that make sens modalist such modalist monarchian econom trinitarian can accept that aspect intrins natur god perhap lean can come anoth descript that orthodox and believ sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanlei friesen elsegundoca ncr fear orthodox theologian overli love paradox extent that mean peopl flat confus problem thing and part father son and holi spirit aren exactli part god part thing distinguish physic separ person omnipres aren physic separ aspect mode god you accept econom trinitarian that you don substant differ standard view that you don find neo platon explan illumin clh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers for peac made two and destroi barrier divid wall hostil ephesian
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker articl atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write nabil ayoub write final note orient orthodox and eastren orthodox sign common statement christolog heresei monophysit condemn coptic orthodox church not monophysit coptic church will and energi christ two human and divin will and energi object copt pope rome coptic cathol church you reject suprem jurisdict sucessor peter bless john mark bishop alexandria translat for and predecessor infal thing perhap for your set question energi and will christ quot you relev part statement sign eastern chalcedonian and orient chalcedonian orthodox scholar year ago famili orthodox church famili agre condemn eutychian heresi famili confess that logo second person holi triniti begotten father ag and consubstanti incarn and born virgin mari theotoko fulli consubstanti perfect man soul bodi and mind upsilon zeta crucifi di buri and rose dead dai ascend heavenli father sit hand father lord creation pentecost come holi spirit manifest church bodi forward come full glori scriptur famili condemn nestorian heresi and crypto nestorian theodoret cyru agre that not suffici that christ consubstanti father and natur god and natur man affirm that logo natur god natur man incarn full time famili agre that hypostasi logo composit unit divin uncreat natur natur will and energi common father and holi spirit creat human natur assum incarn and made natur will and energi famili agre that natur proper energi and will unit hypostat and natur confus chang divis and separ and that distinguish thought alon famili agre that will and act hypostasi logo incarn guess that adress your question adequ for your second set question afraid irrelev discuss point view monophysit not relat topic discuss start endless orthodox debat not plan engag into answer your question posit coptic orthodox church roman pontiff jurisdict infal etc exactli orthodox church peac nabil nabil ayoub engin research center dept mechan engin univers wisconsin madison email ayoub erctitan wisc edu
soc.religion.christian	god moral and massacr quot length preceed post that find deal issu holocaust and bosnia that assert that god punish activ god redempt mean restor lost broken distort god not will broken lost distort genocid poverti etc nonetheless capabl will and activ restor heal mend and redeeem revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	monophysit and mike walker articl atho rutger edu moder comment chalcedon compromis two group alexandrian and antiochen adopt languag that intend accept moder camp rule extrem agre that extrem that heret complex polit time appear that peopl reject didn intend heresi simpli us languag that not understood even mispres and not joint compromis for reason doctrin group descend supposedli heret camp thi post discuss descend alexandrian remain nestorian current call monophysit reason that current call nestorian not heret shelter nestoriu unfair treatment claim not adopt heresi and fact follow moder repres antiochen tradit clh big differ statu you refer alexandrian thi includ orient orthodox church and not copt and that nestorian orient orthodox church never even shelter eutych advoc monophysit contrari condemn and condemn and heresi that eastren chalcedonian orthodox church held talk orient chalcedonian that start year ago and continu till todai converg issu imporat christolog detail inter orthodox dialogu case interest not alexandrian and nestorian similar posit peac nabil nabil ayoub engin research center dept mechan engin univers wisconsin madison email ayoub erctitan wisc edu
soc.religion.christian	nicen creed major view triniti articl atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write call creed athanasiu western creed and had filioqu orthodox that accept that except filioqu not us orthodox not delet filioqu nicen creed wasn begin athanasian creed begin call athanasian creed never recogn standard faith orthodox church introduc filioqu servic book and centuri time strong western influenc orhtodoxi steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
soc.religion.christian	earthquak predict mserv mozart iup edu mail server write dai back below includ messag post state heart that citi portland oregon countri unit state america will hit catastroph and disastr earthquak that thi not come pass don glorifi god thing lord tell such statement attempt spiritu thrill guess happen come true risk guilt fals propheci fail come pass not genuin propheci thi comment agre peopl not misl sayeth lord innuendo opinion specul speak directli lord you declar sayeth lord for shadow doubt that correct spiritu condit and relationship lord receiv such propheci and absolut tiniest shadow doubt that possibl misl imagin hope gain recognit misl wile devil and follow mistak thi area costli and danger for greatest fear thi area that peopl misl that peopl lose respect for christian that true propheci cloud fals propheci god call prophet and misrepres god word call lost forev god word command peopl never listen fear word fals prophet bridg burnt forev perhap repent and save never prophet god light thi critic that speak lord speak and that silent lord silent depriv world god word and hide bushel inappropri cowardli silenc fals statement and thi critic import that remain close lord word and prayer and fill spirit god that differ thi dai and ag sinner spout mouth left and judg anoth claim right that not deni right that belong demand equal respect for god thi world and utter form fals that promis make feel good time that christian give exampl honesti that stand contrast thi backdrop falsehood sayeth lord happen prai prayer answer prai christian mean dan deplor horribl crime child murder want prevent not punish reach root evil practic inmost soul revolt dread deed mater motiv love eas desir save suffer unborn innoc woman guilti commit deed thrice guilti drove desper impel crime susan anthoni revolut juli
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti and filioqu articl geneva rutger edu steve hay fidonet org write andrew byler write athanasian creed you evid that us orthodox church pure western apostl creed orthodox church us symbol faith commonli call nicen creed us orthodox church onc can recal found odd object statement that orthodox delet filioqu origin form creed creed origin not that phrase and not present greek origin hang desk not intend start flame war didn delet wasn larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	hell ofm comment problem thi that jesu us hell threat doesn sound extrem fire and brimston preacher and don peopl live abject fear talk lot peopl found unworthi and mention hell number time agre that pleasant that doesn exist don agre that god sort sadist tortur peopl forev afraid that life and death spiritu struggl and that for peopl lose clh disagr that struggl jesu typic consequ threat that quit hell classic jesu doesn sound usual hell fire type preacher attract peopl and stongest exampl jesu preach parabl lazaru and dive parabl case point that fear base respons christ not free life affirm choic and isn good new meaning sens plenti good reason follow jesu that noth fear liter hell that pertain overcom present struggl god and disloy opposit faith base fear not built rock found faith ic fear remov foundat that basic matter christian that don solid basi for relat live incarn god cannot fulli open work god and life respons god motiv fear larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god you want your attitud holocaust read deuteronomi chapter contrari holocaust cautiou interpretatoin deuteronomi not that happen accord god will you guess side predestin issu will never assum that evil punish god speak evil that fall for life will work discern hand god evil that befal discuss earlier luke revdak netcom unreconstruct arminian
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid hei folk fairli group tho heard your comment question that mind lot moral ethic appli dream and bodi incid normal dream you can control you aren moral respons for your action you can contriv control action dream oob moral appli altern dream and oob total mental phenomena thi case moral appli call mental hygien that not evil indulgin overli sexi violent thought dream and oob realiti anoth plane evid for thi that dream and oob sometim common person mark object fact that peopl report object experi thi case interperson moral ethic appli dream and oob wake life assum that dreeam and oob environ real exist moral ethic appli and moral law appli case truth anoth altern respond post email
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu prism gatech edu randal lee nichola mandock write articl atho rutger edu muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu maxwel muir write candor happi proven wrong believ atheism problem will proven wrong mention nonsens psycholog and atheism bob muir ask question smilei part atheism you realiz that your statement that mention nonsens atheism thi hard for defend thi claim you make you includ last two sentenc post and mention address substanc post reject hand sometim ambigu natur english misinterpret your word clarifi you you not mean call statement atheism nonsens care back that claim sound broken you answer affirm start amatu psycolog broken polit correct for christian besieg group permit luxuri arrog yawn excus don recal portion post call christian arrog quot rememb call christian silli and that inform that year thought that that find faith intellectu dishonest and sort proof your god exist defin faith belief absens proof btw subscrib mention and fundi type answer your question final call christian beseig thi countri seldom christian ridicul for practis religion wear cross christian bumper sticker don for haven happen happen homosexu and friend beat preach peopl claim christ follow that thi sort thing isn practic major christian vocal minor and don comper victim christian question for bob world respect atheist want subscrib christian new group implic that not respect not student psycholog btw student creativ write and linguist literari analysi fort implic improp not sequest atheist cubbyhol you atheist occur you that don and that will that will chang life you read post you atheist and decid time poke doesn deserv your respect geez get back high that nonsens thing annoi figur you reaction sinc true reaction your question smooth feather version seek sort knowledg that univers your religion sorta idea kind christian you and hopefulli object view reason question genuin don answer question direct atheist figur answer you can specul atheist motiv you want amatu psycholog crack atheist you can even atheist motiv hope peopl want and show that check religion and read pamphlet peopl offer and thing face implic that atheism kind aberr and that broken peopl atheist flip side posit that atheism natur state and broken peopl theist offer proof that peopl wit horribl live pick discov religion that religion region peopl didn follow religion area homogen mix terrorist claim theistic motiv and that theist tend pushi and angri challeng alt atheism religion success suffer world break peopl uncomfort situat whichev you anoth reason flip side think and watchdog for logic fallaci difficult time keep and subject implic that atheist can possibl christian jump shadow reaction somewhat justifi post suggest that atheist broken hostil peopl thi post confirm that believ bob remind roommat order disbeliev atheism will proven wrong strong atheist feel that lack evid omnipot impli lack exist haven met strong atheist that noth persuad call seeker you don weak atheism ignor atheist simpli don god posit that god exist for weak atheist atheism disbeliev don activ atheism you thi confus figur differ protest and methodist atheist point view thi anoth fallaci theist that believ faith guess atheism end moment shown proof god exist that don even wast time guess you won succe convert supposit that you will fail convinc amatu psycolog you unconvinc that word for and told you that find faith intellectu dishonest note that can speak for you find faith honest show unabl reconcil that broken you that invis fairi live garden and that you word for you accept that you fundament mind and you for proof assert god exist logic physic proof discuss natur god respons tell will atheist prayer for prayer revok atheist club card and beani good luck bob and regard good luck you and apolog infer made inaccur randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu muppet and garlic toast forev max bob muir note that abbrevi quot pasag not fault poster sometim order post rule inew clh
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell articl geneva rutger edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write articl apr geneva rutger edu trajan cwi unomaha edu stephen mcintyr write spend etern hell besid god heaven know even man spend etern life scorch for wrongdo thi displai bravado bluff fear god punish that point plai poker monopoli monei can bet want shan heaven sens human and compass for fellow man thi exactli christian missionari natur not irrit god testament and and evid god strictli love peopl wrote bibl and bibl written evid love that cultur bia thi poor answer you needn rebut will pull bait and switch you us bibl judg man not god that mean your moral intuit doesn describ bibl realiz that such thing will avoid semant argument evil and you fight not you specif includ don genocid bibl genocid that move question hell realiz that peopl suffer you hell isn fair and will sacrific deni exist life isn fair young mother kid doesn will dai sixth grader junki man friend and monei fix doesn god don you correct challeng christian doesn live life compass you possess you want evid god find make differ you admir tough time and come head person vietnam vet battl medic mind woman pregnant babi and success busi woman doctor oper pound babi won christian even you call religi will common god not defin bibl god defin peopl heart doesn matter you can give intellectu assent descript you heard wrong compass you feel your heart step direct follow that come back and read bibl and you that thing describ noth make sens hang that idea that god love similar revers order love god good guess work your grammar chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god articl atho rutger edu prism gatech edu randal lee nichola mandock write not capit punish feel thi god not god love god justic christian instrument will earth expect true mandat lord judg action fellow man favorit scriptur refer thi regard roman person subordin higher author for author god and that exist establish god resist author oppos god appoint and oppos will bring judgment view reflect teach roman cathol church extent that roman cathol church approv disapprov capit punish confirm recent catech rc surpris and upset that capit punish not explicitli condemn for cathol opposit capit punish opposit abort rever for life anti abort case explicit link polit left make anti abortionist and pro executionist tendenc condemn peopl hold view hypocrit feel that anti abortionist vocal opposit capit punish pro life line end thi kneejerk associ anti abort wing thing and issu plenti pro abort equal for kneejerk left wing reason not your biblic quot can automat support for capit punish that roman cathol you oppos abort and onsid wrong and object even legalis author matthew huntbach
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christiani cite passag cover depth faq for thi group that faq forgotten author discuss tradit pro homosexu interpret passag and point strong textual support perhap moder give instruct for retriev faq thi topic btw thi issu dealt time major presbyterian church california andrew megachurch rich neighborhood withhold support synod amount budget synod cover southern and hawaii support for pro homosexu lobbi group lazaru project termin thi new report cnn yesterdai correct tim time for post faq thi issu presbyterian church side major church cincinnati ordain homosexu elder and presbyteri instruct not and church rochest judici commiss couldn instal homosexu pastor made evangelist situat you describ not stabl thi will major topic for gener assembl month church can come solut that will peopl live each end split side that push into action side clh
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl atho rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write observ bodili assumpt basi bibl carl jung declar import pronounc church recent year that impli inclus feminin into godhead jung that speak for cathol church dogma assumpt mean mari consid god part godhead impli such thing feminin gener jung statement make sound dogma announc blue thi incorrect dogma formul part tradit thi dogma believ not formal defin assumpt declar cathedra statement steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	hell articl atho rutger edu smayo world std scott mayo write grant that christian relationship jesu and love for god and soul stand fine hell don evid scriptur that hell present stick beat peopl heaven agre last paragraph jesu statement hell can treat total symbol allegor parabl teach hell earth that freed jesu that rest doesn mattter and fact that can free hell gift god offer etern life begin for and not wait start partak divin natur and journei path deific larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	robin lane fox unauthor version articl atho rutger edu iscleekk nuscc nu lee kok kiong jame write mpaul unl edu marxhausen paul write mom pass lengthi review clip robin lane fox book unauthor version truth and fiction bibl read book part quit typic critic bibl inaccur histor document alt altheism etc carri typic respons not vocifer give insight into historian don biodata work not understand argument mention event that event and robin lane fox historian and garden written histori book perhap recent you rememb search for alexand written edit book garden jim eggertj mit edu jim eggert
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell summar question sagac spend etern hell besid god heaven know even man spend etern life scorch for wrongdo describ horribl hell and compar statement jesu suffer cross order prevent peopl hell kenneth engel challeng thi happen jesu don not heard live dai suffer and di wage sin paragraph jesu didn pai for sin will wimp and admit that never like metaphor jesu pai for sin sens that christian accept liter point that god understand suffer not intellectu watch somalian understand can feel pain thi fact manifest jesu life can argu that histori suffer jesu can horribl tortur crucifixion can case betray and fruitless effort lead wors despair main point that jesu trench human and for human for reconcil thi exist hell capabl that wasn goal surpris moder thi thankfulli moder surpris want reason explan for thi read thi admit that thi descript faith explan perhap that can hopefulli that chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti can describ triniti simpl declar sentenc word that common mean kick butt god assur realiti truth prai god father friend put arm and cry prai jesu strength wisdom difficult situat prai for holi spirit realiz that will make peopl cring can doctrin triniti attempt reconcil jesu god and distinct god describ bibl jesu had hindu word chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl atho rutger edu ddavi cass bull dave davi write sinc mari free origin sin not exactli die end life dogmat prounounc assum into heaven dogma assumpt not state whether not mari di physic death into heaven cathol free whether that aliv di lean somewhat steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu prism gatech edu randal lee nichola mandock write stuff delet question for bob world respect atheist want subscrib christian new group difficult time keep and subject excus make you that atheist doesn christian albeit limit experi atheist bibl search end end for answer christian that doesn mean author religion perspect bias favor natur quit obviou subscrib infer for explan question motiv dislik thi kind logic hope that will light critcism will fear not give posit pictur christian bob remind roommat order disbeliev atheism will proven wrong don even wast time that word for respons tell will atheist prayer for regard thi guess don feel sentiment thi order can proven faith lot thi search bibl cover cover for answer won necessarili for that doesn doesn faith big catch discov thi quit recent ran into agnost for explan faith and quickli discov that give noth life stori and descript natur faith person thing attempt prove fact question good luck bob and regard likewis matter you randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu your clock bind todai vera noy your religion strong name noy midwai uchicago edu you triniti disclaim lard patrick breastplat disclaim
soc.religion.christian	hell articl atho rutger edu mrm csc liv mellodew write articl atho rutger edu shellgat llo psi larri overack write fear base religion not faith relationship made that mean that christian avoid hell isn christian sound that reason inclin doubt whether not profess christian relationship faith base trust fear and trust gener incompat motiv fear room for trust room for faith fear preclud trust can faith larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach ddavi cass bull dave davi deutero canon book ad church histori not spiritu qualiti rest scriptur not church that ad book guid spirit and that thi sort discuss ultim end apocryph book that septuagint part canon us greek speak church incept church not ad thi common misconcept prefer hebrew canon greek canon innov church not guid add book sinc part faith onc receiv apostl and pass church larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach articl atho rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write dave davi ddavi cass bull wrote lot delet gener agre inher defens argument for inclus exclus deuterocanon book agre that principl that cannot consist appli not principl exclud not accord author scriptur requir reason reason let talk principl accept that god set standard for includ scriptur can authorit prophet authent dynam receiv collect read and us count apocrapha fall short glori god quot unger bibl dictionari apocrapha abound histor and geograph inaccuraci and anachron teach doctrin fals and foster practic varianc sacr scriptur resort literari type and displai artifici subject matter and style keep sacr scriptur lack distinct element give genuin scriptur divin charact such prophet power and poetic and religi feel interim conclus that protest exclus write tradit men hear exclud reform and that appear reason peopl continu exclud problem thi argument li assumpt that hebrew canon includ apocrapha place and wasn sixteenth centuri that luther and threw jewish council you mention previous didn accept reform protest had good histor preced for action jerom translat apocrapha protest and liter dead bodi that includ cathol canon simpl fact that protest exclus roman inclus orthodox inclus book definit close canon decis commun faith standard collect scriptur for that commun tradit men whether consid that problem not depend commun happen and you accept defin author person that concept close canon whether cathol protest orthodox that develop late histori church and not serv church you view word warn hear word propheci thi book add god will add plagu describ thi book and take thi book propheci god will share tree life and holi citi rev sure thi set standard and not man made tradit noteworthi jesu attitud had argument pharise canon john and explain follow road emmau that law prophet and psalm refer divis scriptur luke luke take genesi chronicl jewish order genesi malachi scriptur lee macdonald format christian biblic canon abingdon for clear and faith examin origin and issu canon not familiar book argument you found chapter josh mcdowel evid that demand verdict barnei resson run and fro knowledg increas daniel
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live articl atho rutger edu smayo world std ott mayo write gerri palo write noth christian that preclud idea repeat live earth doesn appoint man onc die and judgement don concord dim memori that thi appear bibl fairli specif context for judgement that decid issu heb clh context nasb need suffer sinc foundat world onc consumm manifest put sin sacrific and inasmuch appoint for men die onc and thi come judgement christ offer onc bear sin second time not bear sin tro eagerli await point that thi vers part even larger context subject not destini individu human soul singular natur christ sacrific onc and fulfil law for fallen mankind rudolf friel elabor thi detail christian and reincarn thrust passag context liken time incarn and sacrific christ for mankind individu experi human death onc repeat and emphas and highlight singular christ deed thing for refut claim that christ incarn onc comparison human experi die onc judgement note not judgement judgement word for judgement krisi hebrew passag quot defens doctrin that bibl deni reincarn thi point emphas that passag that arguabl speak and that invari talk el and appar denial reincarn infer case hebrew liter and deposit into impli context doctrin destini human death consid that bibl essenti silent fate individu human death and last dai you passag that possibl interpret mean singl earth life arguabl and passag that point arguabl direc tion such matthew and john can continu debat individu scrap scriptur that bearinig thi and discuss want introduc into discuss approach idea repeat earth live that unlik hindu buddhist and ag teach take full cogniz divin singular incarn death burial resurrect and second come christ savior mankind account each individu for deed and realiti fall and sin and consequ redempt man sin christ resurrect bodi and last judgement thi larger sens question perspect destini di sin christ relationship faith and grace work mean deathb convers mean sacrament and thing not that propos answer question simpl doctrin conveni that discuss take dimens and opinion that worthi man earth and creator and redeem deep question that continu deep such mean second death and christian doctrin appli thi larger perspect human exist deepli that thing bibl not speak not thing concern christ that thing that come futur includ thing that discipl and not bear thi idea that human capac for growth knowledg not individu lifetim human take great mean realiz that growth spirit long term process bibl not meant codifi spiritu knowledg place forev proclaim gospel incarn and redeem deed christ take gospel greater context genesi revel salvat heal becom not end man sojourn begin and last judgement and heaven and earth that follow becom fulful gerri palo compuserv
soc.religion.christian	divorc articl atho rutger edu daveshao leland stanford edu david shao write articl atho rutger edu cr carson washington edu cliff slaughterbeck write marri happili wonder and support husband and gave birth two son not perfect for jane sinc never open deepest part soul husband interest thing that jane thi discuss homosexu not bedroom found that deep commit relationship woman man sex mind part relationship sound problem problem open husband lesbian marrig coupl suppos open each didn feel comfort open husband get divorc and come conclus that lesbian get mari make that feel comfort open deepest part soul husband sex mind part relationship diffrent man that problem christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin eugen bigelow write doesn bibl that god fair god sic thi true can thi possibl fair infant andrew byler write you mean fair god give deserv infant sin time concept roman psalm cannot possibl merit heaven and purgatori for purg tempor punish and venial sin imposs that origianl sin can forgiven augustin not invent origin sin cathol faith hold ancient time you deni doubt follow heresi nuptii lib fair punish you and rest human adam and ev suppos your parent commit crime you born and dai cop come your door and throw you jail for you that fair wouldn
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin joseph buehler write thi appli equal infant adult sinc soul infant baptiz cannot enter into heaven thi form life cannot enter into heaven you that baptism noth ask jesu come into your heart and accept your savior ritual that enabl enter heaven
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel write think that homosexu and christian compat check roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu think gai and christian not compat check digniti integr light presbyterian church affirm mcc church etc meet gai christian find prai discuss scriptur and form your opinion ann carlson carlson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center hampton
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ jwindlei cheap utah edu jai windlei write materi delet object idea that christian involv secret kind mormon scholar provid histor evid earli christian practic parallel mormon templ ceremoni can choos whether not subscrib such histor interpret mormon practic not preced christian delet don necessarili object secreci question sinc biblic reason aspect christian worship involv secreci interest your claim that earli christian practic parallel mormon templ ceremoni you give exampl parallel mormon ceremoni don mormon ceremoni restor origin christian practic wasn that point joseph smith state mission mark
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god jblanken ccat sa upenn edu jame blankenship write reason for death penalti reveng you refut posit refut posit acknosledg that you speak small piec problem broad sweep reason etc tough nut crack death penalti reallli doesn year fbi releas crime stat show overwhelm amount crime commit repeat offend peopl kill folk kill time aobut folk for death penalti not for reveng cut recidiv your point acknowledg fact that thi posit that that vast major favor death penalti for reason seek vengeanc curiou you favor death penalti killer kill you peopl commit crime such rape robberi isn muslim cut your hand you caught steal
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu maxwel muir muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu write faith you want feel that faith intellectu dishonest support for thi statement not make sens ambigu religi belief unwilling pascal wager heard thi frequent exactli pascal wager sound broken you don you point that your mother treatment upset you and inconsist religion not that constitut broken ness not consititut disillusion filipp sapienza depart technolog servic univers michigan hospit surgeri fil sapienza med umich edu
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach atho rutger edu mdw uxa cso uiuc edu michael walker write that last paragraph kill deuterocanon accept inspir scriptur cathol church exist longer protest church martin luther began hack bibl and decid remov book not fact that cathol church decid add that reason for differ cathol and protest bibl thi mislead question statu greek septuagint versu hebrew scriptur and issu predat reform quit bit jerom neg deuteroncanon and fact even transalt put hebrew canon reorder greek order hebrew translat quick and dirti report dai and anoth overnight dictat translat amanuensi that vulgat and massiv import western christian vener jerom step reduc book statu had and greek inaccur that reform threw book basic secondari statu jerom had addit warn that doctrin not base citat alon that emphasi hebrew origin sound somewhat arbitrari disallow face translat part collect principl select hebrew greek confus unknown and like fraught accid plai into tendenti notion origin languag inspir magic and convei messag untranslat translat not hear god word jew greek german english thi tendenc big boost sola scriptura protestant even point current inerr bizarr despit basic underli tendenc reform that text and translat can profit english render hebrew and greek sure reason sirach bibl and anglican don for text origin greek anti greek prejudic notabl time hebrew canon fulli attest includ anti christian prejudic led jewish abandon septuagint oper btw reader enjoi lectur bruce metzger issu translat bibl includ jerom current number journal bibliotheca sacra two publish michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	christian embassi christian embassi washington exactli respond lisa lbl gov
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu eugen bigelow ebai sun geno write noth unclean enter heaven rev babi born such state that die cuf god and put hell exactli doctrin augustin and thoma haven read thi entir thread hasn toss thi samuel rsv servant thi thing that you you fast and wept for child aliv child di you aros and at food david child aliv fast and wept for whether lord will graciou that child live dead fast can bring back will not return interpret thi mean that child heaven david will somedai don claim for thi appli babi not even thi you thi jeff adam
soc.religion.christian	ontolog argument read that kurt goedel argu that ontolog argument for god exist logic reason that effect thi true and citat fred gilham gilham csl sri peac war not hell war hell make sens walker perci second come
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu wrote think that homosexu and christian compat check roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu christ love bryan whitsel never heard read vers you read context take into consider time and place written local custom and pagan ritual surround vers talk and interact rest bibl issu bibl that argu and can argu successfullli side issu exampl that come mind gift spirit raptur will occur pre post tribul peopl baptiz name found noth scriptur that condemn for monogam relationship person love even sex come across heat that lord dear last year and tire hear thi thing peopl told find for check for invit holi spirit guid you weren confid thi wouldn invit you thi god bless loisc
soc.religion.christian	nation repent mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write heard radio todai christian student confer christian call repent america nation sin such sexual promiscu repli whoa can repent sin can and claim repent sin not fact judg jesu equip judg activ warn not judg peopl judg not that not judg lewi made point essai world war christian leader britain urg nation repent for horror sin world war your point cannot strongli disagre repent mean turn nation behav incred arrogantli god condon encourag and even forc folk particip activ directli oppos written word god arrogantli set nation god creat and allow luxuri live thi land set bad exampl for nation slaughter unborn children million stricken name god classroom cheat god honor due turn and ow god apolog bit public sin jesu judg not that not judg not address john baptist had repent and call repent address remain sin heap condemn for sin messag remov log ey remov speck brother rebuk and reprov don forget that thi command problem todai that tend judg and condemn rebuk and tend neglect bring folk back lord excus that don want judg truth judg and call repent and distinguish two motiv call sin and openli charg fall correctli run into hell pull hellward path and heavenward path deplor horribl crime child murder want prevent not punish reach root evil practic inmost soul revolt dread deed mater motiv love eas desir save suffer unborn innoc woman guilti commit deed thrice guilti drove desper impel crime susan anthoni revolut juli
soc.religion.christian	urbana mission confer hear peopl think urbana confer decemb thi year recent receiv info if intern fellowship evangel student and think attend not whether can afford hear peopl involv if ivf group hear thing your campu new group group peopl thi involv christian fellowship univers technolog sydnei australia you interest find mail find matt reimer email reimer ut edu
soc.religion.christian	two peopl marri god articl geneva rutger edu jenk microsoft jen kilmer write articl apr geneva rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write state recogn sex marriag coupl marriag stabl and love and long last legal marri friend and rel thi drive friend famili crazi brother divorc twice parent divorc and filthi gai marri partner for year marriag stabl and love and long last doesn make sex partner friend get sexual involv each gari chin staff engin sun microsystem view gchin eng sun
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin babi not suppos baptis doesn bibl never come and peopl that wrong taught can baptis thi not sound argument for baptis babi assum that bibl doesn specif that you don that mean that you specif term for thi form logic escap sound you appli thi bibl doesn specif that wrong coincident lead perfectli into question ponder slaveri immor can assum that thi group doesn jesu apostl speak own slave common practic back paul speak that immor appar thought import talk thing not drunkard doesn mention slaveri god moral etern and don chang moral societi immor todai
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu brh ca org brook haderli write search deceas ancestor that can perform ordin such baptism confirm and marriag for time and etern that requir for person obtain salvat christ and live etern peopl not had opportun christ lifetim make for christ save grace thousand interpret that phrase becom fulli effect for side thi paragraph brought mind question you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that ressurect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt david hammerslag dhammer urbana mcd mot ain bad that lord can save ain good don god love mullin
soc.religion.christian	matter church articl geneva rutger edu gideon otago gideon king write protest reform oppos and subsequ separ church rome battl cry protest religion bibl bibl and noth bibl underli that cry theori that peopl read bibl for nativ tongu discov truth god and purpos shed error and unit common faith thi idea that reform bring bibl peopl languag myth vernacular translat bibl exist long reform vulgat bibl offici version bibl for cathol church translat common vulgar vulgat tongu dai latin and had exist for millenium reform note that print press not even invent centuri that reform occur steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live thi essenti discuss reincarn context christian gerri palo made comparison asian religi belief thi topic simplifi asian idea karma point misrepresent signific differ idea karma hindu jain buddhist and even buddhist tradit refer karma system reward for past deed total incorrect buddhist and jain tradit karma consid moral process intent good evil shape person predilect for futur intent and action and produc person prone good evil opposit reward noth jainism and buddhism atheist deiti dispens reward punish karma describ term seed and reap fruit thereof fact you sow you reap found pali canon recal metaphor natur growth explicit hinduism sect that tradit determinist and involv concept closer reward and punish theistic inclin point fact theravadin buddhist tradit southeast asia consid karma influenc human life and fact point view unabl explain mechan karma element free will eastern religion differ reincarn and rebirth essenti absent western consider isn origen cite prestigi propon reincarn christian thinker view and relat christian scriptur jack carrol
soc.religion.christian	satan and articl atho rutger edu salari niblick ecn purdu edu rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbit write mtv control band popular matter bad fact polit correct madonna music talent steven salari interest idea regular televeis thi sort thing polit correct show christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	portland earthquak articl atho rutger edu cctr cantua canterburi bill rea write histori impli pretti sin pastor church attend christchurch citi elim consid that prophesi natur disast judgement lord clear sign that prophesi not lord reason thi you burn natur disast propheci that not mean that natur disast judgement propheci fals quick book jeremiah and obviou that judgement propheci can valid problem posit propheci peopl into judgement sometim god give word that difficult swallow rel posit propheci not necesarili ground dismiss not happi stuff link hudson
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu bill mayn mayn pipe fsu edu write articl atho rutger edu bill mayn mayn pipe fsu edu write articl atho rutger edu fil sapienza med umich edu fil sapienza write interest find peopl becom atheist believ god god convers group sens anger hostil don mean impli that atheist angri hostil motiv for give faith atheism result broken ness thi condescend and slightli disquis hominem attack thi attitud part theist vocal reason for hostil you sens you atheist that peopl turn religion immatur emotion wouldn and don thought pretti good job qualifi statement appar peopl misinterpret intent apolog for part commun confus intent stir discuss judg work rest post note not origin post thi alt atheism don filipp sapienza depart technolog servic univers michigan hospit surgeri fil sapienza med umich edu
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl atho rutger edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write point speak tongu thing problemat us prayer languag troubl understand that you prai tongu spirit talk and you prai you prai god and spirit god spirit talk pentecost us actual languag wrong spirit talk jesu interced for and roman spirit interced for god that theolog problem toung prayer languag find support corinthian phrase speak tongu men and angel us paul cor mislead context assum that angel tongu and speak languag angel tongu true that thi and us rug sweep difficulti valid point paul mention angel toung vers hmmm testament stori tower babel god punish give languag can assum that angel languag that angel not punish manner languag sepak result babel stand reason that angel speak languag you valid point multipl angel languag angel be speci speak speci commun differ troubl such stori abound and attempt verif and test spirit show that wit had real idea circumst that outright fabric involv brother puka stori previou post friend friend thing and linguist two syllabl word qualifi languag inflect heard eyewit account such thing hard prove don lend laboratori thing don holi thing gift into laboratori faith healer troubl prove victori sinc ailment cure plain unprov and modern dai ressurrect never valid true that modern dai xenoglossolalia prove clergi lai that unprov statement can you prove someth prove that you evid onc orthodontist record complet photograph show patient sever underbit cure constant prayer john lake onc prai for and heal laboratori adventur god interest book link
soc.religion.christian	faq essai homosexu refer faq essai homosexu sinc hasn post for time and modifi somewhat sinc last time take thi opportun post anoth entri faq contain comment contributor can retriev ftp rutger edu pub soc religion christian homosexu contain detail exeget issu give primarili conserv point view thi post summar issu involv homosexu and christian thi frequent ask question not post question each time occur thi attempt summar post discuss summar argument for allow christian homosexu sinc peopl ask question argument common not question dealt can christian justifi homosexu bibl definit homosexu group that homosexu orient sexual attract member sex thi distinguish actual homosexu sexual activ homosexu abstain sex consid group accept lot discuss term homosexu mean engag homosexu sex thi gener not accept liber group thi paper us homosexu mean person engag sexual act anoth sex haven heard biblic argument person homosexu orient remain celeb peopl admit that predisposit homosexu thi call homosexu orient not whether genet environment evid suggest each evid that homosexu not singl phenomenon number genet group that peopl move homosexu heterosexu exodu intern report and haven read detail literatur summari minor opinion presbyterian church infam report human sexual suggest that program low success rate and that question real even success peopl convert thi issu not import sound homosexu wrong intrins wrong defin such god fact that hard homosexu relev fact that hard escap drug addict wrong wrong affect deal peopl difficult chang thi tend make will forgiv gener background issu common quot figur that popul homosexu ask expert thi respons kinsei below sourc figur percent defin sexual behavior not orient and rank person scale complet heterosexu complet heterosexu kinsei male adult had experi orgasm homosexu post puberti ten percent adult male experi homosexu that percentag held true followup studi kinsei institut base data earli seventi not publish earli bell and weinberg can put hand thi refer onlin inform for kinsei studi appear iri catalog rutger author kinsei alfr charl titl sexual behavior human male alfr kinsei wardel pomeroi and clyde martin publish philadelphia saunder descrip diagr note base survei made member staff indiana univers and support nation research council committe for research problem sex mean fund contribut medic divis rockefel foundat bibliographi aut pomeroi wardel baxter joint author martin clyde eugen joint author subject sex moral condit card thi figur wide us scholarli discuss and even found hold true cultur note recent newsweek coverstori thi child gai feb journalist run round talk show thi season promot book that allegedli refut kinsei studi scholarli world for kook object kinsei studi not detail includ contribut anoth view will includ christian homosexu genit sex wrong not denomin accept metropolitan commun church form specif accept homosexu unit church christ and coupl group episcop church accept area not church that congreg govern you find congreg that accept even southern baptist number two congreg unusu church permit homosexu church leader carefulli enforc thi anoth issu don doubt that homosexu pastor denomin open argument biblic and issu attempt summar issu commonli cite refer favor accept homosexu previou discuss john boswel christian social toler and homosexu chicago press argument pretti clear explicit law leviticu and rom paul pretti neg homosexu refer debat passag cite subject not relev sin inhabit sodom propos carri homosexu rape not homosexu activ consent adult even question whether homosexu sinc entiti involv angel horrifi involv guest and respons guest that cultur strong thi reason lot offer daughter give daughter guest attack you concord for refer sodom bibl you that impli that homosexu sin jewish interpret tradit that major sin abus guest rate debat that homosexu rape wrong not discuss leviticu law part set law that christian not bind justif can found lev alon not settl issu refer paul letter number refer paul list sin word fairli vagu boswel argu that word occur list not mean homosexu two greek word that list cor and tim malako and arsenokoitai not clear word mean malako basic mean soft varieti metaphor mean ethic write boswel suggest wanton like equival report that unanim interpret church includ greek speak christian that thi passag refer masturb mean that vanish cent that practic come frown cite refer late edit cathol encyclopedia that identifi masturb translat arsenokotai male prostitut give evid that church father understood term refer homosexu gener technic mean suggest earli latin translat activ mode homosexu male prostitut view paul not intend technic for conserv view consult gordon fee commentari cor cite evid that malako meant effemin boswel warn that greek cultur effemin not necessarili synonym homosexu associ kind homosexu behavior boswel and fee togeth suspect that term simpli not definit and that appli homosexu case isn gener term for homosexu fee argu boswel arsenokotai end suggest translat that essenti big problem that word almost never us paul write occur fact that word compos male and doesn quit mean sinc doesn whether male subject object action exampl compound word form can theori refer rapist etc danger base mean pure etymolog you conclud that goodby religi express base god sinc boswel fee and niv agre homosexu male prostitut that good guess note that thi translat miss strong vulgar term fee and boswel agre not attempt reproduc translat opinion strongest refer homosexu roman boswel point that rom speak homosexu that happen peopl natur heterosexu result corrupt due worship fals god argu that thi simpli exampl that homosexu worship fals god fall into degrad and perhap becom heterosexu find thi argument somewhat forc and fact homosexu reader not propos that thi paul meant not convinc that rom suffici creat law homosexu for christian paul describ rom not homosexu christian homosexu that appear idolat part packag wicked despit impress left impass rhetor paul not that pagan complet abandon heterosexu sex descript situat assum that heterosexu sex debas and shameless that thi passag neg view homosexu fair shameless natur act reflect gener spiritu state peopl and not specif featur homosexu view situat evid confid that paul disapprov homosexu rom clear cor and tim not unambigu and gener condemn homosexu not word that come approv homosexu even consid accept case hand passag contain explicit teach subject rom idolatri refer homosexu pass result thi situat that peopl interpret passag light gener approach scriptur for scriptur for law issu such thi not surpris that passag endors prohibit for approach bibl liber not surpris that regard paul neg view homosexu that jewish upbring reexamin light gospel reader thi group assumpt approach radic that peopl tend foam mouth oppos view describ not lot can moder such situat number discuss past center sort detail exegesi text that describ fact not convinc that defend homosexu base belief such analys real issu rest question whether paul judgement appli modern homosexu commonli made claim that paul had simpli never face kind question deal encount homosexu context peopl agre that wrong had never face experi christian act straight and fail and had never face christian defin christian homosexu fit gener christian ideal fidel and sexual mirror relationship god and man unfair paul judgement homosexu idolat and us make judgement question anoth paul time homosexu associ number thing that christian not find accept part templ prostitut privat citizen occur adult and children free peopl and slave not posit that reason ancient distinguish activ and passiv partner consid disgrac for free adult act passiv partner thi reason that activ mode homosexu prostitut consid disgrac custom peopl enjoi passiv role thi support idea that tend not engag two free adult male not degre scandal christian homosexu not condon sex children slave not posit fulli respons partner fee commentari cor cite exampl ancient literatur homosexu relationship that involv free adult symmetr consider thi paragraph shouldn push homosexu discredit for jew associ sure case that not prostitut and not involv slave children peopl argu that aid judgement homosexu point that aid transmit promiscu sex homosexu and heterosexu homosexu relationship that meet christian criteria for marriag not risk for aid note that good reason paul gener approach doubt that conced homosexu fulli equal altern apart specif statement homosexu us genesi stori lead regard heterosexu marriag god ordain paul deal pastor question warn quick deal thi issu legal claim that question counsel homosexu christian not theolog issu pastor paul tendenc can issu such eat meat and celebr holidai uncompromis principl pastor issu carefulli good peopl involv and avoid insist perfect person damag for exampl paul believ that accept eat meat want avoid push peopl into action had person qualm for anoth exampl paul prefer peopl circumst remain unmarri unabl marri state tempt fornic view thi even accept view paul express rom that homosexu not god intend that occur result sin conclud that time live note that creation stori work enter human life result sin thi doesn mean that christian can stop work save question whether you that homosexu sin whether you that misfortun that broad sens due human sin you will approach becom pastor judgement whether damag caus find live cure danger cure that attempt fail and you end damag rang psycholog damag suicid broken marriag attempt live heterosexu fail thi depend assess inher natur homosexu you wrong you will run high risk damag rid not gener suggest that peopl live tendenc steal drug addict even attempt cure condit difficult condit intrins damag that not obviou for homosexu problem associ homosexu problem promiscu not homosexu thi includ aid for grant that sort homosexu relationship christian allow equival christian heterosexu relationship discuss thi last decad heard lot person testimoni fellow christian thi situat summari research and result effort for convers presbyterian report mention faq that summar reader report thi question evid that long term success chang orient rare par heal miracl danger advis christian depend such chang clear convers doesn happen almost peopl left despair feel exclud church that noth requir life long celibaci paul recogn context that such demand not practic for peopl and histori cleric celibaci strongli reinforc that judgement practic result that homosexu end gai sex club and rest sordid side homosexu homosexu isn god origin ideal can imagin paul prefer peopl long term commit christian relationship promiscu work genesi suggest wasn part god origin ideal such relationship can vehicl for peopl share god love each issu biblic interpret underli thi discuss issu that cultur relativ that paul that wrong thi etern statement thing wrong specif situat cultur time conserv christian gener insist take prohibit absolut sinc bibl becom subject stop rel thi issu worth note that complet reject concept cultur relativ number judgement testament that even conserv christian rel judgement clear bibl homosexu prohibit charg interest thi occur time not mention rel recent church bind christian prohibit swear oath endors slaveri institut judgement tax collector sinner not regard item bind case argument essenti cultur relativ briefli prohibit interest specif agrarian societi that bibl build not market economi peopl that american judici oath characterist kind oath jesu concern peopl that paul simpli tell peopl live slaveri not endors institut for peopl that ir moral equival roman tax farm point make that appli biblic prohibit cent whether cent action christian homosexu that relationship greek homosexu that paul familiar thi exactli kind argument that made judici oath and tax collector fairli recent christian prohibit take interest and christian regard slaveri divin endors slaveri common metaphor for relationship god and human be christian call servant slave god not that bibl cultur rel that thing and not that appear bibl that end discuss whether action talk moral implic that bibl talk christian want argu that reason that prohibit homosexu bind will listen claim that question doesn look kid part small minor obei rule list thing that worri great emot that thi issu creat you weak biblic evid law leviticu passag rom subject matter idolatri homosexu and coupl list word ambigu amount concern thi rais christian proport thi suggest peopl that reason simpli biblic involv thi true side homosexu christian strongli motiv find wai discredit biblic argument conserv christian find biblic argument can feel that bibl us side justifi attitud come sourc thi danger situat for christian side issu note problem pro homosexu posit commonli present common argument that homosexu biolog determin god made homosexu and choic god made homosexu fine view for peopl ground that homosexu accept don argument for accept peopl that alchol larg biolog and drug addict turn that doesn mean thing tend wrong peopl angri easili tend arrog tend attrac women marri homosexu view wrong wouldn thing follow god end time anoth work overcom bad habit and temptat that problem can sit back and that god made can relax jesu cross daili thi concept dy appear paul letter suggest that thing ourselv that call not accept paul letter and experi christian histori show that sin ingrain and battl lifelong and difficult fact that homosexu difficult fight doesn necessarili thi isn place die make that isn fight battl and not reject concept that christian fight deepli engrain habit sin
soc.religion.christian	baptism requir faith troubl that post recent support doctrin origin sin thi primarili cathol doctrin purpos defend idea infant baptism even support peopl will stop short that unbaptis infant will hell easi for come partial list scriptur support sort wrong doctrin heart persever belief make that biblic base can come understand truth complet scriptur colossian you circumcis put sin natur not circumcis christ buri baptism and rais your faith power god rais dead baptism rais life christ roman person faith power god parent faith cannot thi infant faith bibl roman not israelit accept good new for isaiah lord believ messag faith come hear messag and messag heard word christ receiv god gift faith hear messag gospel faith respons hear god word preach kid not spiritu intellectu emotion matur respond god word cannot faith and cannot rais baptism life ezekiel soul sin will die son will not share guilt father will father share guilt son righteous righteou man will credit and wicked wick will charg you read ezekiel you will that god doesn hold guilti for sin can origin guilt adam ezekiel rid offens you committ and heart and spirit will you die hous israel for pleasur death declar sovereign lord repent and live god repent and heart and spirit kid cannot thi act that repent and baptiz will receiv spirit holi spirit live that background origin sin not biblic scriptur us support roman sin enter world man and death sin and thi death men sin sin and death enter world man sin death each man each man sin note that good read roman vers easier misunderstand read context will that basic thing such roman for disobedi man made sinner obedi man will made righteou disobedi each individu each made sinner obedi jesu each will made righteou rememb read thi passag that death each man each man sin not guilt adam bibl contradict encourag you read thi passag your thi point view doesn fit togeth psalm sure sin birth sin time mother conceiv thi psalm wonder exampl humbl ourselv god repent for sin david man god heart and wrote psalm commit adultri bathsheba and murder husband that david that can rememb time wasn sin humbl god confess sin that sin birth hyperbol bibl inspir god isn limit liter interpet figur speech jesu john for anoth exampl hyperbol luke even peopl that baptism requir faith and that origin sin not biblic will argu that infant baptism children sin selfish not share toi children mean hit and fight etc observ children wrong thing gut feel that don bibl agre gut feel isaiah lord will give you sign virgin will child and will give birth son and will call immanuel will eat curd and honei reject wrong and choos church leader will you that thi propheci jesu don point matthew and find leader jesu couldn had knowledg normal human babi thi passag that had matur extent differ and wrong that grow and becom wiser luke and implic that jesu wrong thing child knew choos wrong sinc that jesu perfect sin conclus proof that babi cannot sin don choos wrong jesu baptiz albeit john baptism not infant thirti year man luke and start ministri baptiz luke immedi tempt devil luke matthew mark you for your attent moder thi finish subject for perhap you make faq thi respons that you can repost time time topic come feel free rearrang content you send copi final faq sincer aaron cardena aaronc athena mit edu you overli optimist authorit qualiti your respons origin sin not cathol doctrin held luther and calvin and present form anoth lutheran and reform tradit second that purpos defend infant baptism hominem argument consider evid origin baptist theologi includ origin sin and baptist hold and group that baptiz infant believ origin sin protest sacrament tend bit symbol cathol protest baptiz infant baptism sign god accept accept god tradit protest theologi god grace preced respons and applic children number passag can cite that god accept even children clh
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell imagin worst depth despair you encount worst physic pain you experienc peopl suffer such emot physic and mental anguish live that death merci pain end death you live hundr such live conclus you instantli reborn into anoth you live million billion year thi state thi forev thi happen jesu don not heard live dai suffer and di wage sin paragraph jesu didn pai for sin thi found curiou never quit understood triniti thing hand jesu suppos god incarn time god son for god love world that gave begotten son question jesu god human form god son holi ghost plant seed mari speak that jesu relationship god equival human father son relationship son inherit alot father qualiti not father two separit entiti and that son person father wrong that case jesu and god aren hand relationship isn human father son relationship jesu god incarn not god son and never god manifest jesu thi can knowledg triniti enlighten get back origin question great price that jesu paid redeem sin dy cross sinc jesu knew that rise dai and ascend back heaven hard time thi consid pai such great price for human earthli bodi kill suffer hour physic pain human suffer great deal fact that jesu god begotten son doesn mean sinc god can beget son jesu simpli matter choic suspect that question will offens christian thi net peopl accept sincer apolog not intent offend trivial christ legitim question and genuin curiou note that triniti and incarn look togeth your read virgin birth uncommon thi group danger that believ you suggest jesu god son physic sens holi spirit father and mari mother that terribl heresi peopl react violent virgin birth that jesu birth god respons doesn impli that god sperm involv mean specul that god us joseph genet materi second jesu sens doubli indirect father trinitarian context term son refer etern logo part god son didn come into exist jesu birth jesu incarn son son isn specif result incarn son incarn clh
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live paragraph testament opinion make posit infer reincarn don rememb top head basic thi jesu talk apostl and pharise that messiah can come elijah come jesu repli that elijah come not recogn that apostl perceiv that refer john baptist thi impli reincarn thi popular belief judaism jesu time that elijah return had heaven chariot and not die jesu refer john baptist not sens that elijah reincarn john rememb elijah didn die that john similar prophet elijah john fieri preacher wore sackcloth and wander rough israel preach come kingdom vers that describ mark gospel can link refer elijah john similar elijah and jesu draw parallel two drew parallel suffer servant isaiah and messian figur and repli don time relev stuff suffic strong explan rick richard johnston queen univers malon road belfast belfast northern ireland athmail causewai qub
soc.religion.christian	variant text cont andrew cmu edu andrew byler english translat long recens act apostl can found english translat thi can found act apostl translat codex beza introduct lucan origin and import wilson london anoth work that act apostl critic edit introduct and note select passag albert clark oxford reprint thi edit text act that make assumpt that text codex beza authent don contain english translat not anoth that discuss variant detail theolog tendenc codex beza cantabrigiensi act eldon epp cambridg recent refer found edit french earli can suppli refer interest work difficult find you interest examin differ long recens excel and easili obtain discuss can found textual commentari greek bruce metzger unit bibl societi metzger book serv companion volum ub edit greek contain discuss reason that decis each variant read includ ub note addit read includ atcotgnt major occur act introduct section act metzger write attempt made set reader full report english translat addit and modif that attest western wit sinc apparatu text volum care suppli adequ conspectu evid that support diverg read understand that earli codex vaticanu and siniaticu thi version act interest differ long and short form copi text act that includ vaticanu and siniaticu adher pretti close shorter alexandrian version longer version you refer call western version and main wit codex beza althought fragmentari sourc size differ that clark edit mention book act contain word text edit westcott and hort typic alexandrian text contain word differ answer obviou question major revel longer text major omiss shorter text main differ expans detail western text you prefer contract alexandrian western text detail interest specif case thi not place into detail discuss year version authent hot and heavi approach modern consensu that text repres pure authent version each variant read examin merit iii variant alexandrian text not
soc.religion.christian	soc religion christian read post thi newsgroup for past month becom appar that thi group primarili activ liber cathol ager and athiest chang name soc religion perhap even soc religion heck don flame cathol gai and vote for bill clinton your side
soc.religion.christian	virtu puriti modesti and innoc here nice stori explain virtu puriti innoc and modesti and import beauti virtu thi stori excerpt basket flower johann christoph von schmid market town hundr year ago live upright and intellig man name jacob rede marri virtuou young woman and live happili humbl home midst larg beauti val lei live happi year togeth jacob wife di leav alon friend daughter mari even child mari uncommonli pretti grew year pieti innoc modesti and unfeign kindn contact gave beauti rare and peculiar charm face light such indescrib good that almost look angel mari greatest delight beauti garden and favour it flower violet lili and rose jacob love point emblem virtu gender onc earli march brought violet and joyfulli call admir modest violet dear mari you imag humil iti and benevol that good secret cloth tender colour modesti prefer bloom retir grot fill air fragranc remain ing hidden beneath leav you dear mari retir violet avoid vain displai not seek attract public ey prefer good quietud and peac morn rose and lili full bloom and garden appear richest arrai jacob daughter point beauti lili beam morn sun lili dear child you emblem puriti beauti pure and fair whi test linen noth compar puriti petal snow happi maiden heart pure and free stain purest colour hardest preserv pure easili petal lili soil touch carelessli roughli and stain left word thought stain puriti innoc point rose rose dear mari you emblem modesti beauti colour rose blush that rise cheek modest girl sign that pure heart and innoc thought happi maiden suggest thought that indel will blush put guard approach danger cheek readili blush will remain for long time roseat hue fail blush indelicaci thought will becom pale and wan and time grave fruit tree that adorn garden that prize appl tree not larger rose bush and stood middl garden mari father had plant dai that born and year bore number beauti appl onc blossom earlier usual and unusu luxuri tree mass blossom mari delight that morn dress onc full bloom call father and father beauti such love mingl red and white tree huge bunch flower morn hasten into garden feast ey onc tree grief that frost had nip and destroi flower becom brown and yellow and sun strength wither and fell ground mari wept bitter tear sight father sin pleasur destroi bloom youth child never ceas rememb dread seduc path behold exampl appl tree imag happen you wander hope your conduct hitherto rais heart vanish not for dai year for life bitter tear shed your laps virtu your cheek life joi for tear ey sorrowfulli grave spoke tear stood ey mari deepli move and word utter made profound impress mind that never forgot ey father love and wise and amid flower garden mari grew daili statur and intelli genc bloom rose pure lili and retir violet and full promis tree laden blossom happi man time behold plenteous fruit garden reward dilig toil happi and content mark graciou effect produc heart and mind belov daughter piou teach and exampl jacob pluck rose and lili ti togeth bunch and gave mari word lili and rose sister flower belong incompar beauti ren dere love togeth dear child innoc and modesti twin sister virtu and cannot separ greatest and power guardian puriti thought presenc god internet simon giaeb monash edu viva cristo rei long live christ king
soc.religion.christian	hate sin hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent context discuss christian and homosexu context isn that import question whether that statement consist christian not hate beget hate never love sin leav unnam sinc don want thi digress into argument whether not sin let appli hate sin philosophi and happen hate sin stronger hatr will becom eventu thi hate becom strong that becom disgust sinner and eventu come hate sinner addit hatr sin and thing person sinner not even sin thi sinner begin hate don love for constant critic behavior hate build and drive peopl god thi cannot good build love summari law christ command love god and love neighbor doesn hate fact command save critic for ourselv christian suppos deal sin suppos that deal sin ourselv prayer god sin and love love can conquer sin hatr place love prai for scott thi signatur thi mine scott holt internet scott prism gatech edu georgia tech gatech prism scott offic inform technolog technic servic
soc.religion.christian	daili vers thi lord almighti you hear word spoken prophet foundat laid for hous lord almighti your hand strong that templ built zechariah
soc.religion.christian	christian crisi hank hanegraaff read thi import book your feel frank wish contend not answer time thousand job
soc.religion.christian	mormon belief bastard erh tesla njit edu write enlighten mormon church view children born wedlock interest stigma attach children oppos parent children born pure sin saint view pregnanc marriag occas mourn church member judgment that problem situat welfar assist provid church bishop requir that famili make effort live gospel standard and provid for occas assist provid children home bishop mine children worthi god keen learn not prohibit mormon faith bastard enter heaven name enter big genealog book mormon salt lake citi not you mean term bastard thi context dai saint that templ ordin famili unit preserv etern you us genealog materi softwar produc church you notic section for templ ordin that section spot for signifi bic stand for born coven children born coupl seal marri templ born coven and elig part that etern famili unit children born coupl whether civil marriag not seal parent marriag solemn for etern suppos child born woman wedlock seal parent date adopt into etern famili unit includ birth parent thi issu offici posit chang time interest learn and belief mail post fine inform pointer appreci can thi principl adopt reveal time seal ordin accept for year church tend discount admonit church author children wedlock even provis lord plan recov wrong church not want give impress can sin and repent leisur idler
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu ml panix michael siemon write atho rutger edu whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel write homosexu christian check vers us incred pervers interpret simpli not address issu you care and spirit led exegesi gai christian suggest that you stop proof text thing you noth that life death and resurrect jesu christ central christian you person that jesu christ di for you you part christian bodi believ human don homosexu heterosexu strive follow jesu world dy and hear jesu christ you work togeth christian spread gospel gari chin staff engin sun microsystem view gchin eng sun
soc.religion.christian	deuterocan ep sirach for respons hope that spark thought intent restart reform tug two thread messag atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write and point that jew drew canon year found christian religion cross adher canon that drawn faithless reaction chrsitian us greek septuagint includ deutero canon simpli observ that jew not that commun bound such decis don council jamnia heard that not attest histor faithless noth and prefer not specul motiv earli justin had accus jew mutil canon scriptur remov book dialogu trypho real transcript real dialogu fiction effect justin part put that side justin point evidenti want book protest appar prefer that god revel limit decre jew perhap reform travel light evid had stick issu prefer not specul motiv quot luther calvin etc evid thi prefer messag atho rutger edu wagner grace math edu david wagner that not quit accur book enoch canon dave note can that apocrypha not quot christ thi principl text not quot christ cannot count scriptur thi job ruth wrote logic invalid priori talk text part superced xtian view not thi principl exclud ecclesiast thi principl cannot consist appli dave answer reject your argument spirit speak voic and not contradict mean you affirm principl that can exclud sinc fals doctrin you deni affirm impli your statement determin that doctrin fals you affirm teach ecclesiast ultim test canon whether word inspir spirit god breath test guid faith reason logic test that cannot appli orthodox faithfulli that psalm canon can faith not hear priori mention deutero canon book ad church histori thi contrari fact not spiritu qualiti rest scriptur can thi elev principl spiritu qualiti measur spiritu qualiti sirach joshua chronicl dai not church that ad book guid spirit can you you ask for consist check don that book ad construct thi formul beg question can validli faith that book noncanon dave davi ddavi bull opinion activ alon qotd christian not doctrin not mean theori happen and will happen human soul descript that take place human life for conscious sin real event and despair and salvat faith speak such thing bunyan for instanc simpli describ happen want ludwig wittgenstein
soc.religion.christian	legal definit religion unl edu edgar pearlstein write understand that suprem court never legal definit religion thi despit case involv religion that come court can verifi falsifi thi state govern give legal definit religion legal practic todai america imagin legal definit religion defin resembl system belief practic peopl commit for benefit societi opinion secular thought isol polit and educ influenc system belief practic peopl commit harm void benefit societi opinion religi thought defin previou paragraph isol such polit and educ influenc constitut unreason censorship and unlaw violat civil right somedai perhap legal benevol
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu ml panix michael siemon write roman corinthian timothi jude peter gen lev name vers that pertain homosexu homosexu christian check vers us incred pervers interpret simpli not address issu you care and spirit led exegesi gai christian suggest that you stop proof text thing you noth michael michael don clh left faq you post map post two lengthi exeget paper vers look and intertestiment usag term refer suggest you read you talk exeget studi aren provid sourc and mean apsevokoitai jame deyoung publish master seminari journal fall read paper show that shoe foot for honest exegesi refer faq file you unabl acess drop line and will enclos you rexlex fnal fnal gov separ file gave pointer post yesterdai clh
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept articl geneva rutger edu joe moor write speak immacul concept bless virgin gift god basic reason that tradit church held that mari sin jesu for exampl thi write earli father you alon and your mother beauti for blemish you stain your mother children can compar beauti ephrem syrian nisiben hymn lift not sara mari virgin not undefil virgin grace made inviol free stain sin ambros commentari psalm tenet faith develop augustin sin and equat sex and mari assum virgin for life sinc never sin and sinc spous god etc for instanc breed dare speak name holi mari and question not immedi add virgin and holi mari virgin invari ad for that holi woman remain undefil epiphanu salami panacea heresi sure cannot deni that you correct doctrin children mari for lord jesu not chosen born virgin had judg that incontin taint birthplac bodi lord home etern king seed human intercours propos thi propos that christ not born virgin pope siriciu letter anysiu bishop thessalonica note that augustin convers christian don offhand elect bishop hippo quit belief mari perpetu virgin origin long augustin time hold that origin apostl strictli speak mari perpetu virgin independ immacul concept mari immacul conceiv and not remain virgin remain virgin and not immacul conceiv sinc had thi notion origin sin that man born predisposit sin and sinc mari not thi predisposit not sin didn origin sin scienc discov process concept step assum that mari conceiv origin sin immacul concept held church sinc ancient time that origin sin transmit concept person life begin biologi had noth prayerfulli reflect truth mari sinless and mean god achiev thi church arriv truth immacul concept immacul concept not doctrin logic result understand two celebr feast immacul concept pope sixtu and feast made precept feast church pope clement mari that time appear girl name bernadett lourd refer immacul concept sinc year know doctrin apparit deem true and seal case for doctrin lourd privat revel and doctrin not base privat revel that privat revel can enhanc and deepen understand exist public revel end death john apostl second case for doctrin irreform seal cathedra promulg bull ineffabili deu pope piu thi meant that doctrin formal recogn dogma dogma definit cannot chang and requir believ faith apparit lourd happen year that claim that lourd gave infal proclam sort heavenli stamp approv church never claim that christ peac brad kaiser bradk isdgsm eurpd csg mot trust understand truth and faith abid love grace and merci holi and care elect wi nab
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu muddmj wkuvx bitnet write capabl comprehend god law not account for live book life and not remov can make consciou decis disobei god idler babi not suppos baptis doesn bibl never come and peopl that wrong taught can baptis christ solemli assur you can enter god kingdom born water and spirit not surpris that you you begotten thi born origin sin mike attach mean israelit enter promis land christian submit god not hold children respons adult chose follow bad report spi joshua and caleb thi record for deuteronomi your prei and your children that dai had knowledg good and evil thither and will give and possess ag point matur held respons and not enter promis land younger not held rule not god answer not fool folli thou answer fool folli wise conceit proverb
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept joe buehler write explan for reaction angel greet that grasp angel get that mother messiah and knew thi entail suffer thi gave moment paus priest gave interest explan that word mari point not doubt troubl thought complet humbl humbl and not revel frequent confus high prais mari rightli
soc.religion.christian	definit christian enrol histori christian colleg loui teacher class close mind and bigot subject definit christian definit ti directli that triniti and cathol church definit and belief jesu christ not suffici call christian doesn make nevertheless feel insult neurot respond sens literaci maintain amiabl student teacher relationship common definit christian previou discuss triniti not lend exchang flame hope that thi will not produc major flame regard larri autri silicon graphic loui autri sgi into discuss christian number definit start broadest commonli us definit histor definit peopl accept christ lord and savior broad doctrin definit narrow doctrin definit histor definit mean sort definit secular historian like us thi includ group that develop christian church and continu broad cultur unitarian fail doctrin test you come clear that that group develop christian and peopl background hindu like part christian thi not definit christian relev polit and ethnic context accept christ lord and savior test us christian group for membership southern baptist and presbyterian church usa qualifi that peopl mind exclus commit christ that accept christ god not fit attempt formul criterion that religi not base technic doctrin thi definit group such arian view heret christian christian modern context thi includ mormon and on pentecost view heret christian christian practic fall into thi categori accept apostl creed level attempt give broad doctrin definit includ major strand christian exclud group that felt histor christian thi slipperi enterpris sinc cathol argu that protest histor christian etc commonli accept definit base nicen creed and formula chalcedon attempt character doctrin that major strand christian agre kei thi extent matter judgement mormon will regard ld church major strand and will not want includ that contradict belief thi definit fairli broad accept final peopl us definit that limit specif christian tradit evangel christian had evangel style convers experi and even heard group that limit specif church you can find context each definit us lot depend purpos you for you descript histori anthropolog you us definit you norm you christian messag you us definit even clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu maxwel muir write clear refer paul letter rom passag that presuppos that homosexu evil note that passag isn homosexu idolatri homosexu visit peopl punish result idolatri number argument thi passag not us word homosexu and refer peopl natur heterosexu practic homosexu not call explicit teach homosexu that that murder wrong for aren natur murder and steal wrong for aren natur thiev will dalla cowboi world champion
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic articl atho rutger edu mdw uxa cso uiuc edu michael walker write eastee wkuvx bitnet write question satan taught long time ago that satan angel god and kick heaven challeng god author problem cannot find thi bibl bibl not origin quick answer revel and mention earlier apocryph book enoch satan appar kick for time assert will will hmmm pro choic kinda creepi refer bibl take angel get heaven
soc.religion.christian	question write paper religion and reflect and affect modern music thi questionair summari question answer respons request and can mail directli gtd prism gatech edu mail not post advanc matt kressel you feel group diecid slayer and dio freeli admit practic satan and preach song you feel group petra stryper whitecross and holi soldier promot and sing cristian you feel group front xtc revolt cock minor threat and ministri condon and sing atheism you feel band shelter preach hare krishna religion and minor not unheard religion you feel differ promot music that support cristian and music that condon satan you feel thi type music you listen you purchas music that music lyric underton religion you feel that music listen affect view religion religion gener affect you view your religion religion feel free add comment matthew owen kressel gtd prism gatech edu noth settl man mind wonderfulli knowledg that will hang morn arthur clark
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu biz soil princeton edu write atheist prayer roommat atheist listen randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian respons alleg circular reason moral homosexu clh pose challeng order break circl reason homosexu wrong answer circl simpl break church teach that homosexu behavior immor thi teach raw impassion unassail dogma that close argument for randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu understand that peopl reason for not accept homosexu point make that specif argument wouldn stand clh
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin eugen bigelow ebai sun geno write joseph buehler write thi appli equal infant adult sinc soul infant baptiz cannot enter into heaven thi form life cannot enter into heaven you that baptism noth ask jesu come into your heart and accept your savior ritual that enabl enter heaven feel baptism thi parent baptiz babi that babi sanctifi grace baptism and remov origin sin soul event unexpect death that parent speak behalf child young speak thi not surpris don parent for babi that appli babi physic not spiritu god grace purpos confirm for babi young adult decid affirm for promis that parent made baptism that accept jesu into your heart come baptism parent jesu come into babi heart confirm child repeat that request independ person feel pretti close doctrin posit cathol church thi issu can back correct
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt mpaul unl edu marxhausen paul write hate sound flippant shot mouth badli net afraid that thi materi add feel that assumpt mari phrase assumpt mari time read mari thi group can not recal read mari that not sound wish vener scant scriptur foundat find testament real portrait christ parent compellingli human person honor and admir for humil and submiss god work doubt almalga mation theori and dogma that accret imag alien and inhuman creatur untouch sin human desir christ sanctifi and even knew temptat albeit submit don necess holi parent sanctifi normal human sound inabl grasp immens god grace incarn dinari human won start yell peopl worship mari etc sinc folk told that lose part god incarn christ make parent sinless sexless deathless otherworldli be paul marxhausen paul you wonder job not humani offend cathol hopefulli can care word you don want extend thi topic into entir major issu debat anymor note two don talk jesu parent doctrin posit church unequivoc mari and joseph person never heard attribut joseph sainthood that refer sinless assum into heaven immacul conceiv etc idea appli mari agre scriptur evid for doctrin mari needless that present signific problem accept bibl sourc doctrin turn sacr tradit undivid christian church problem find plentli evid that basic unanim belief apostl and earli gener that mari assum into heaven bodi and soul etc etc wasn reform that doctrin call into question concern personali feel choic apostl luther choos apostl time whether not record write that tradit men determin bibl coupl note that agre polit disagre god peac and bless you your search discov absolut truth mike walker mdw uxa cso uiuc edu univ illinoi
soc.religion.christian	thought deuterocanon time recent thi list last dai heard passag revel add sacr word thi book remov word thi book us arguement deutercanon book feel thi ridicul for two reason weren ad cathol church part consid inspir scriptur thi dealt previou post reason repeat info like not that john whomev wrote book revel consid scriptur not thing you and hold hand take translat thi book rev mean scriptur like hold that violat thi command imposs exactli date scriptur even didn date letter guess had bibl fact straight that letter chief peter like date composit earli second centuri revel almost written durin reign domit argu that sin accept peter scriptur sinc ad book composit revel told add noth you want exact date copi american bibl follow thi tomorrow rememb mike walker mdw uxa cso uiuc edu univ illinoi
soc.religion.christian	capit punish articl atho rutger edu mmh dc qmw matthew huntbach write extent that roman cathol church approv disapprov capit punish confirm recent catech rc surpris and upset that capit punish not explicitli condemn quot journal dai church and world draft univers catech procur common good societi aris that aggressor posit cannot harm virtu thi and oblig public author punish proportion penalti includ death penalti acknowledg for similar reason legim author imped aggressor societi us arm church tradit teach express and will continu express consider real condit common good and effect mean for preserv public order and person safeti degre that mean death penalti and militari oper suffici peac violent provis prefer proport and keep final goal protect peac and human digniti shown thi excerpt church teach capit punish remain todai past total accord sentiment that not disagre us deadli forc case for thi option justifi not your biblic quot can automat support for capit punish that roman cathol you oppos abort and onsid wrong and object even legalis author seek conform will will god expound instrument visibl church earth whenev question faith moral aris randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu
soc.religion.christian	bibl languag satan toung articl atho rutger edu bjorn larsen delab sintef write articl atho rutger edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write concept tongu us pentecost outdat concept bibl languag and missionari languag church tongu guess peopl not support thi claim lot languag bibl part bibl languag not write simpli written version languag not defin suppos that true notic qualifi languag and missionari can speak imagin languag and dialect fact that not languag written gospel lend credenc concept pentecost type xenoglossolalia sinc tongu occur not place written languag church full peopl written languag and bibl that languag nitpick
soc.religion.christian	bibl immacul concept andi byler write biblic basi for dogma immacul concept will put enmiti you serpent and woman and your seed and seed can read crush your head and you bruis heel genesi commit sin devil john hail full grace greek kecharitomen lord thee luke hebrew genesi gender masculin crush your head and you bruis heel latin feminin form accid grammar andrew state that kecharitomen mean not full grace plenitud perfect grace word us testament ephesian prais glori grace hath grace belov son rheim douai translat cannot find indic dictionari that verb impli strong andrew suggest ephesian passag suggest that verb mean preserv taint origin actual sin moment exist comment mean verb prefer not writer discuss luke moment jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	two nit pick gerri palo write adam and ev and golgotha process fall man occur thi involv gradual dim conscious spiritu world thi discern world outlook peopl histori greek for exampl beggar land live king land dead iliad not swear that noth sort found iliad passag thought odyssei thereabout copi line number ghost acchil speak robert fitzgerald translat break sod farm hand for poor countri man iron ration lord exhaust dead passag thought ecclesiast live dog dead lion hand notion firmli embed christian that origin pagan sourc idea that human consist essenti soul and that soul creat birth conscious adopt aristotl idea domin christian thought for fifteen hundr year and todai sure aristotl had influenc christian thought jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	bernadett date joe moor write mari that time appear girl name bernadett lourd refer immacul concept sinc year know doctrin apparit deem true and seal case for doctrin bernadett year had vision year dogma had offici proclaim pope jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl atho rutger edu bjorn larsen delab sintef write chose whetev want not allow defin christian part you that not vice versa not give plai joke your belief import christian damag peopl speak tongu make claim that miracul speak foreign languag power holi spirit can easili shown that simpli make nois damag christian sinc not christian not distinguish sect modest claim for tongu that simpli uncontrol prais word fail you sure that us make us thi practic agre point that charismat practic thi can lead form worship worshipp show genuin prais for god thing jesu warn matthew huntbach
soc.religion.christian	jacob and esau gerri palo wrote that noth christian that exclud theori success live wrote that apostl paul roman speak god choos jacob esau and add that thi not result that child had sinc had not born paul not that had had previou live suppos that reader will for had had previou live not make sens good bad sinc not born daniel cossack write whether fair for god hate easau esau noth bad repli that hebrew standard usag speak hate meant simpli put second place exampl matthew man can serv two master for will hate and love fals that man two master hate true that put second place dog that come billi bobbi call will problem stand place and call simultan cannot give prioriti second place origin exampl second place mean that jacob not esau chosen bear coven bless and oblig and ancestor christ eugen bigelow mention matthew john baptist and will receiv thi elijah come thi mean that john elijah figur dress and live elijah preach elijah and fulfil predict that elijah prepar for messiah not that elijah liter sens and appar john jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	rfd soc religion taiz thi rfd propos for newsgroup promot share johannin hour propos each month monk ecumen commun taiz pronounc zai franc name propos newsgroup soc religion taiz unmoder purpos group taiz commun intern ecumen commun monk base franc young adult come search for mean life and deepen understand faith share thi newsgroup will such share monthli johannin hour will post begin each month johannin hour involv short commentari bibl passag question for reflect thought that aris consequ and that you share can post not interest theolog debat and even polem expertis requir idea anoth deepen understand scriptur relat life journei idea johannin hour born taiz simpl respons assimil bibl messag midst daili life work studi imposs spend long hour silenc and reflect can hour time time enter church sit quietli home for walk wood silenc can medit passag scriptur listen voic christ time silenc import concentr understand and not wast time worri biblic express find difficult hear voic christ idea commun understood christ not burden hesit tell brought joi led run risk trust deepli perhap read and johannin hour thi newsgroup share reflect and discoveri import thing complementar two aspect person aspect silent person reflect and commun aspect share usenet make part worldwid network background taiz commun background inform life and vocat taiz pronounc zai commun parabl communion august europ grip world war brother roger ag set home almost abandon villag taiz eastern franc dream bring togeth monast commun live parabl commun sign reconcili midst distress time center life prayer us hous conceal refuge jew flee nazi occup intern and ecumen commun taiz founder spent two year alon join and easter brother commit togeth common life and celibaci year year enter commun each make lifelong commit year prepar todai brother cathol and protest background twenti countri live small group poor neighbourhood asia africa north and south america brother accept donat gift for not even famili inherit and commun hold capit brother earn live and share work sister saint andrew intern cathol commun found year ago live neighbour villag share respons welcom peopl taiz taiz and young intercontinent meet young adult and young come taiz greater number sinc hundr thousand peopl europ and brought togeth common search intercontinent meet place each week sundai sundai year and includ youth and countri week meet give each person opportun explor root faith and reflect unit life and human solidar meet summer can particip week time dai brother and hill come togeth for common prayer church reconcili built villag church small pilgrimag trust earth commun never want creat movement peopl call commit church home neighbourhood citi villag support thi taiz creat call pilgrimag trust earth end each year pilgrimag european meet bring togeth ten thousand young adult part europ for dai major citi meet asia and unit state year brother roger write open letter young complet stai poor region world translat into thirti languag and provid theme for reflexion for year note discuss creation thi newsgroup will place new group for inform contact brother roi almac brother roi almac taiz commun taiz franc
soc.religion.christian	legal definit religion edgar pearlstein ask fri whether suprem court govern author attempt legal definit religion univers militari train and servic act exempt draft religi train and belief oppos particip war form defin individu belief relat suprem involv duti superior aris human relat not includ essenti polit sociolog philosoph view person moral code case unit state seeger suprem court broaden definit not restrict explicit theist justic tom clark deliv court opinion conclud that congress express suprem design god test belief relat superm whether belief that sincer and meaning occupi place life possessor parallel that fill orthodox belief god qualifi for exempt such belief parallel posit live respect holder cannot that relat suprem and not refer freedom nat hentoff delacort dell jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	athiest and hell articl atho rutger edu ptrei bistromath mitr org peter trei write articl atho rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write delet point todai mason note that worship osiri egypt delet bug thi kind nonsens reason evid link masonri ancient egypt even that exist prior late centuri and noth definit wife uncl level mason book death brother and greiv widow bodi had even cool don you don worship osiri you not past your level you read wilkinson egyptian and show thi egyptian religion parallel british masonri man thi laboratori degre black mason talk like hide mysteri special handshak and start evangel told kind special thi and special that trueli mysteri religion public side motorcyl mania and children hospit and priviat side that highest degre mason learn second worship osiri not part mason practic strictli denomin haven read literatur that offer silver hair apologist can rememb name didn exactli come thi conclus khon son great goddess mother gernaer repres full grown god babylonian divin repres frequent egupt waya land nativ child mother arem thi osiri son husband mother exhibit and learn thi god equal case khonso show that origin nimrod admit that secret system free masonri origin found mysteri egyptian isi goddess mother wife osiri led union mason bodi mysteri had not had refer architectur and had god worship not celebr for success perfect art fortif and build such case relat egypt stood babylon natur liik great patron mason art strong presumpt that nimrod man that gain faim thi child babylonian goddess mother worship charact ala mahozim god fortif osiri child egyptian modonna equal celebr strong chief build thi strong chief build orignin worship egypt physical characterist nimrod notic fact that nimrod son cush negro tradit egypt record plutarch that osiri black hislop cold slap face wife uncl brought cerimoni dress and leopard skin mean real leopard skin told that highest degre wore leopard skin reason that start tell thi that had coupl month live and wife had led save faith christ and immedi repent mysteri lodg nimr rod nimr leopard and rada rad subdu univers principl idolatri that high priest wear insignia god serv represent osiri show wear leopard interest that druid britian show hide thi represent worship spot cow stand statement masonri mysteri religion that find sourc babylon great harlot peter not mean cold slap face evid contrari that masonri doesn find origin egypt mason person talk refer egypt origin you separ thi not year ago freeli admit rex
soc.religion.christian	etern marriag mormon templ articl atho rutger edu dhammer pacif david hammerslag write thi paragraph brought mind question you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that ressurect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt wrote time ago respons similar question hope help begin repeat previou post for scriptur mention agre that problem not for etern marriag marriag gener luke version jesu that children thi world marri and marriag not will attain kingdom heaven almost sound marriag disqualifi for salvat matthew and mark omit thi statement account not clear incid and can come reason idea mean scriptur involv mat mark and luke happen that sadduce not resurrect thought trap jesu made refer leverit marriag requir brother man di children widow wife and rais children children consid children deceas woman husband had father obviou thi that woman consid wife husband sadduce concoct scene brother deceas each turn fail father children widow impli that leverit marriag equal for wife resurrect thi point obviou that wife husband had born children credit brother biolog father jesu refer thi err not know scriptur power god mat compar mark phrase not luke account sadduce wife will resurrect that had jesu answer that resurrect marri marriag mat rise dead marri mark account worthi obtain that world marri luke account angel heaven equival find thi last not help sinc bibl not defin angel give idea life minist claim that sexless that human etc can find biblic support for thi jesu and clearest matthew and mark account that marriag will not perform resurrect thi belief that person marri thi earth that marriag perform author god can bind etern fact marriag appear perform god death enter world garden eden god hath join togeth not man put asund mat jesu told peter and apostl that whatsoev bind earth bound heaven mat that thi refer marriag perform proper author
soc.religion.christian	christian counsel psycholog folk hope net netter help profess counsel psycholog psychiatri social work therapi etc network topic and possibl sci counsel christian type newsgroup list integr psycholog and counsel and theologi subject great debat and interest you lemm email direct you will can anoth new don miller unlv helio nevada edu
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid hub ucsb edu david goggin write fairli group tho heard your comment question that mind lot moral ethic appli dream and bodi incid normal dream you can control you aren moral respons for your action queasi phrase aren moral respons perhap heard misus time rememb colleg folk argu that person drunk not moral respons for action gener folk can control dream perhap you dai and impact and not action dream will note that jesu adam fact that thought life import action lightli thi argument moral respons for and dream import part that altern dream and oob total mental phenomena thi case moral appli call mental hygien that not evil indulgin overli sexi violent thought don thing bodi experi had dream fairli vivid oob vivid dream argu that extrem interest thi sort phenomena tad riski jesu and relat that cultiv strong interest dream you feel plagu dream that pain and control prai and dream and oob realiti anoth plane evid for thi that dream and oob sometim common person earth your definit exactli case two peopl had substanti dream time and brother had spent dai thing dream similiar plane spiritu realm don dream perhap occasion prophet repres actual action altern plane real action consciou thought direct moral signific assum that garbl text dream occur environ moral law appli guess you don slightest hint christian write that environ person determin moral for christian won come jesu case truth anoth altern respond post email truth don claim expert dream note that bibl doesn talk dream realm god speak caveat that such messag not clear warn that not give lot attent you feel your dream you discount talk altern plane place such concept commonli bandi for part hostil christian run into occasion except you want christian you want care idea thi
soc.religion.christian	bastard mormon belief bastard relev post thi subject deut bastard not enter into congreg lord even tenth gener not enter into congreg lord
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu adamsj gtewd mtv gtegsc write samuel rsv interpret thi mean that child heaven david will somedai don claim for thi appli babi not even thi you thi that bring interest question thi interpret correct peopl get into heaven jesu open gate heaven steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid articl atho rutger edu hub ucsb edu david goggin write your comment question that mind lot moral ethic appli dream and bodi incid normal dream you can control you aren moral respons for your action you can contriv control action dream oob moral appli that immor dream lust dream dream you commit act violenc etc etc sign that sin heart holi spirit allow sin that come light that can prai and remov gener pure heart and set mind thing that holi will holi even dream dream can lord joseph and nebucadnezzar two exampl peopl bibl receiv dream lord bodi experi thi that care call oob can spiritu natur experi wit christian avoid occult activ that gener bodi experi thing that call oob lord paul wrote oob corinthian wrote spiritu experi caught into heaven oob trueli oob leav bodi imag shown spirit demon holi spirit don matter that paul not that care not open ourselv satan experi oob not medit and pretend place spirit appar float thi danger god gice oob can that sovereign will bibl that prophet god sovereign will and not seek oob john spirit prai lord dai caught vision receiv ezeki talk jewish leader caught into vision god time god into vision can peopl care not open evil spirit for sake thrill link hudson
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu eugen bigelow ebai sun write thi appli equal infant adult sinc soul infant baptiz cannot enter into heaven thi form life cannot enter into heaven you that baptism noth ask jesu come into your heart and accept your savior ritual that enabl enter heaven don joe such thing your question ask jesu come into your heart impli that infant not allow christ baptism view peopl sort prodig son type thing sudden chang heart not accept christ suddenli accept christ can peopl start christ shortli birth and build relationship man suddenli meet woman and marri that dai experi learn that relationship built includ relationship god joe speak standpoint that baptism not ritual that god bestow sacrament grace recipi for mental faculti christ sacrament bestow grace recipi and make perman mark adopt into god famili soul steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	peter wrote that thought that peter meant propheci scriptur reader suggest written propheci privat opinion writer toni zamora repli sat that thi turn impli that not subject privat interpret reader not that understand thi sens statement anoth subject privat interpret reliabl historian that athenian lost pelopennesian war cannot simpli interpret thi want athenian win fact fact and not want anoth sens statement subject privat interpret that depend brain and experei decid mean and whether suffici attest merit assent even statement occur inspir write decid judgement whether fact inspir thi not arrog inescap fact jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	earthquak predict articl atho rutger edu dan ingr rose aros write god call prophet and misrepres god word call lost forev god word command peopl never listen fear word fals prophet bridg burnt forev perhap repent and save never prophet god command law not heed propheci fals for propheci fals propheci trueli for exampl stori king man god judah israel and propheci king lord had command not eat drink till return home anoth prophet want thi man god stai hous propheci fals that lord want man god stai hous at and drank hous lord gave prophet li word that man god die break word lord pass link hudson
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian ambigu mean word passag you quot liber and conserv sourc agre that homosexu not gener term for homosexu like mean homosexu prostitut understand experi thi word and discuss greek liter individu mean word clear basic liter mean bed man sex man burden proof pro homosexu side argument show that word idiomat mean evid liter mean can specul dai long that mean evid creat doctrin and rid histor understand mean thi word link hudson read discuss thi passag liber and conserv sourc that mean even liter mean not that doesn mean can come conclus mean that doubt paul think homosexu plausibl argument for coupl mean clh
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt articl atho rutger edu mpaul unl edu marxhausen paul write feel that assumpt mari phrase text delet don necess holi parent sanctifi normal human sound inabl grasp immens god grace incarn dinari human text delet paul marxhausen you paul impress human ness mari that god chose woman bring into thi world incarn prove that thi god god reach perfect touch sheila patterson cit technic support group ccc cornel univers ithaca
soc.religion.christian	arrog christian new cbnewsk att write arrog arrog not result religion result peopl know firmli believ idea and desir show right assum that god decid judg for sake kind and merci judg judg judg ourselv not agre thi agre that arrog not result religion and that god judg agre you mean that arrog show form prove superior knowledg right holi anoth person belief care understand you mean that not fall into mistak misrepres your view fall thi area hope you will forgiv arrog not result believ believ that god greater god believ that religion religion natur impli belief contradictori that current belief wrong find error belief natur chang and follow belief correct that not arrog that unavoid behavior nonsens that anoth person god greater god god greater wouldn oblig chang that god becom god natur oblig worship that god deem greatest feel oblig worship second god for sake feel humbl arrog not necessarili think onesself intellig stronger resourc anoth person doubt will chew thi awhil passiv observ superior point arrog god arrog humil not rest slander belittl god work creation live peopl humbl anoth not smart poor not good worm ground such weak person and don want sin cannot thi person trueli humbl approach god you for make you that you never second that you unthank you power resist devil not us indulg exactli you not slander your creation life and credit humil for lord you complet unfaith and not deserv your forgiv and your love for boundless that you give die for save terribl evil deserv straight hell pleas you rescu thi terribl life led lord forgiv and stai track that can bring glori your name insult lord for wrong chang peopl except offens religi arrog don want wrong find arrog typic don for found hard differ time humbl christian come across arrog proud worm ground fals humil type person found comfort compani wrong and arrog wrong don feel confront wrong confront verbal wrong like snap and examin head toe for fault and charg hypocrici for root desir make shut that can live life arrogantli confront silent exampl earn respect and perhap mention humil privat feel broken and challeng seek god for chang error wai hard part get point can humbl humil pride hypocrici sincer whether onlook will frown not isn easi thi pain love thank for opportun improv abil serv god easier cast hope reach true humil and hide slander god creation live examin ourselv hope type thi back and react situat such emot for instanc feel justifi insult arrog person need reason feel insult insult and word you toughen decid not insult ignor insult you can justifi feel anger insult outrag that doesn make that reaction thi light examin that can chang emot reaction sometim help can understand and feel differ true statement charact and fals and slander statement charact devil accus bretheren love feel hopelessli guilti innoc and feel arrog and righteou wrong devil aim into miseri can devil cruel and merci crimin torment parent burn children hot iron devil get father skin hurt that father love deplor horribl crime child murder want prevent not punish reach root evil practic inmost soul revolt dread deed mater motiv love eas desir save suffer unborn innoc woman guilti commit deed thrice guilti drove desper impel crime susan anthoni revolut juli
soc.religion.christian	daili vers you will receiv power holi spirit come you and you will wit jerusalem and judea and samaria and end earth act
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu eugen bigelow ebai sun write babi not suppos baptis doesn bibl never come and peopl that wrong taught can baptis thi not sound argument for baptis babi assum that bibl doesn specif that you don that mean that you specif term for thi form logic escap sound you appli thi bibl doesn specif that wrong coincident lead perfectli into question ponder thi logic assumpt that not bibl not don that below slaveri immor can assum that thi group doesn jesu apostl speak own slave common practic back paul speak that immor appar thought import talk thing not drunkard doesn mention slaveri god moral etern and don chang moral societi immor todai letter philemon paul hint that slave releas slaveri time not type slaveri had comparison indentur servitud don want into discuss slaveri demonstr your point don relev origin poster not that absenc specif condemen prove not immor back origin poster assert not fact make logic error you accus state fact that bibl not that babi cannot baptiz that bibl that baptiz enter heaven includ infant scriptur contrari except sinc except list bibl assum safe side that bibl mean that baptiz enter heaven and baptiz infant summar you accus origin poster not forbidden bibl that prove cannot disproven true assert that sinc bibl not forbid you cannot prove bibl that not differ prove whether not can proven disproven theori provabl field logic and prove disprov logic error avoid fall into convers that cannot proven fals thi error sola scriptura believ thing that can proven that cannot us scriptur alon prove infant baptism evid favor steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl atho rutger edu hudson athena uga edu paul hudson write articl atho rutger edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write hmmm testament stori tower babel god punish give languag can assum that angel languag that angel not punish manner languag sepak result babel stand reason that angel speak languag you valid point multipl angel languag angel be speci speak speci commun differ don truth angel even guess that angel speak nativ tongu person talk perhap don languag troubl such stori abound and attempt verif and test spirit show that wit had real idea circumst that outright fabric involv brother puka stori previou post friend friend thing and linguist two syllabl word qualifi languag inflect heard eyewit account such thing hard prove don lend laboratori thing don holi thing gift into laboratori told test spirit you thi scriptur someon claim back bibl noth wrong make that that gui lazaru dead and aliv faith healer troubl prove victori sinc ailment cure plain unprov and modern dai ressurrect never valid true that modern dai xenoglossolalia prove clergi lai that unprov statement can you prove someth prove that you evid onc orthodontist record complet photograph show patient sever underbit cure constant prayer common fallaci you commit falsifi trick can prove not evid answer can fallaci assum that prove never proven talk make claim not skeptic prove burden proof rest claimant pontif warn legal system head danger realm make peopl prove innoc end pontif truthfulli corinthian poorli written poorli translat into english that remain unknown paul intend despit claim hard proof anoth will write cor don thi don thi and sarcasm metaphor etc liter sarcasm and metaphor notwithstand read cor prai speak tongu build oneself church compar contrast thi build church thi build onself impli don that common usag write that emploi and easili interpret thi and don mysteri
soc.religion.christian	save and import point that your recoveri happen glad save user karen lauro camelot brad write found or coincident that week put faith mouth long line doctor and not even orthopeod specialist diagnos problem difficulti set path effect cure and walk and run pain that had stop that for year diagnosi felt doctor overlook perfectli obviou test result point that make that coincid thi occur high frequenc think and had that person call psychic phenomenon easili explic thi forget miss your astrolog forcast newspap time you that that not you rememb hit miss will frequent save user karen lauro camelot brad write thi doesn hit you miracul imagin activ year told not walk mcuh longer and happi year can danc and run know that problem and reveal knew song and heal your afflict wors and you end paralyz you attribut that god that work satan you that good god and evil satan couldn agoni come god poor job david hunt graduat slave mind mechan engin idea opinion palestinian and carnegi mellon univers us golden rule jewish homeland email bluelobst cmu edu work pile higher and deeper gostak distim doch
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu eugen bigelow ebai sun write eugen bigelow write doesn bibl that god fair god sic thi true can thi possibl fair infant andrew byler write you mean fair god give deserv infant sin time concept roman psalm cannot possibl merit heaven and purgatori for purg tempor punish and venial sin imposs that origianl sin can forgiven fair punish you and rest human adam and ev suppos your parent commit crime you born and dai cop come your door and throw you jail for you that fair wouldn suppos your mother crack addict and crack user abus pregnant suppos your husband gave you sdt thi recent happen close friend wife and mine consequ sin partial inflict innoc peopl time thi point even that descend suffer consequ for person sin for gener even todai multi gener coin phrase effect alcohol child abus and spousal abus name god definit fair and our differ point perspect predisposit sin inbr webster definit inbr adam arrog and foolish for shoe pretti and not that good god word for you righteou import person decid discipl jesu god promis supernatur overcom physic sin tendenc can choos ignor thi rom god made mankind upright men search scheme eccl mark mark wuest opinion not mdw violin att sun mailtool mdw trumpet att mail
soc.religion.christian	faq essai homosexu moder write view thi even accept view paul express rom that homosexu not god intend that occur result sin conclud that time live note that creation stori work enter human life result sin thi doesn mean that christian can stop work save note that god command adam work fall lord god man and put garden eden work and care gen niv work god design begin ken clarifi word kind labor impos fall statement stand mislead clh
soc.religion.christian	faq essai homosexu you final your file faq you want correct typo kinsei below sourc figur percent defin sexual behavior not orient and rank person scale complet heterosexu complet heterosexu end rate scale identifi homosexu person note guess differ you question work enter human life result sin note that creation stori work enter human life result sin fall gen and lord god man and put into garden eden dress and call work for differ introduc sin pain aspect work ad fall curs ground appli work for susten view work bless ecclesiast fun book for melancholi hope not sound caustic you can enlighten thi delic subject and guess you accomplish you state your purpos summar argument for allow christian homosexu not for nobl goal you write faq you tempor appar sentenc specif homosexu you propos arguabl tenuous defin danger advis christian depend such chang clear convers doesn happen almost peopl left despair feel exclud church that noth requir life long celibaci perhap that true celibaci homosexu relat refrainng choic relationship that not forbid heterosexu not enjoi heterosexu relat for worth thi depend person case answer even you ask assum talk marriag not want suggest sex that you talk perman commit kind sexual relationship that aren can live peopl for thi solut whether fair partner cousin victim exactli thi situat found death that husband had had problem sexual ident famili conserv christian knew and push into get marri continu problem and divorc di accid circumst rel odd sinc had sex chang oper and move state state hold job keep children kind home life set grandpar irrespons hope you can understand not enthusiast push homosexu into marriag like cousin thi sort emot issu for for thi sort situat that dealt pastor and not matter fix ideolog clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu new cbnewsk att write paul repeatedli talk thorn side refer lust pride thorn appar not compat christian that make epistl reason that paul thorn flesh sin life that make sens light paul write total write press for mark and bodi submit doubt paul had struggl flesh christian paul associ thorn satan messeng and physic infirm and tribul not sin life link hudson
soc.religion.christian	cathol doctrin predestin articl atho rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu write you proof and not div school student cathol church not accept predestin chaplain told bewar greek bear gift refer thi doctrin curiou result that human be not held respons for action answer you deal thi minut cathol doctrin predestin not exclud free will sinc god that happen free will and chang happen sinc god choic will make advanc god not subject time argument pit predestin free will steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	quot argument for theism sun damon wrote christian friend mine onc reason that never creat not exist creat and exist creator hesit comment valid thi not your friend meant meant that exist creat open obviou retort that god exist and god creat perhap your friend meant that exist that time not exist and ourselv brought into exist thi plausibl atheist repli parent engend your friend explain infinit regress not satisfactori explan support philosoph not ordinarili consid religi ayn rand and tradit aristotl argu for bridg gap entiti and god abraham assert that thing observ ultim depend thing radic unlik physicist disagre jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	save brycen norwegian journalist student and christian for your testimoni want you question you heavi metal music you christian you christian band barren cross whitecross bloodgood and stryper that plai that kind music feel sometim listen lyric don listen christian band listen secular music hope you strong christ ann kristin froeystad colleg nordland norwai
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu eugen bigelow ebai sun write augustin not invent origin sin cathol faith hold ancient time you deni doubt follow heresi nuptii lib fair punish you and rest human adam and ev suppos your parent commit crime you born and dai cop come your door and throw you jail for you that fair wouldn you not that fair sin you that affect sinner fair for even into heaven heaven even lead sinless live your argument god wouldn thing that god doesn thing that isaiah for thought not your thought your wai wai saith lord for heaven higher earth wai higher your wai and thought your thought origin sin biblic roman wherefor man sin enter into world and death sin and death pass men for that sin for law sin world sin not imput law nevertheless death reign adam mose even that had not sin similitud adam transgress figur that come corinthian for adam die even christ made aliv steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christiani ofm write thi issu presbyterian church side major church cincinnati ordain homosexu elder and presbyteri instruct not and church rochest judici commiss couldn instal homosexu pastor made evangelist situat you describ not stabl thi will major topic for gener assembl month church can come solut that will peopl live each end split side that push into action side clh moder gener assembl rev john fife visit church week ago dai rev spahr busi week for small church ask specif issu homosexu and think will happen meet month evid resolut pend that rang gamut outlaw homosexu altogeth legal complet will readili admit that thi probabali difficult issu that church had deal sinc presbyterian church split two issu slaveri year ago question issu split church reunit for dozen year hope that will not and push attitud that help church deal abort issu last year solut hope pass resolut that state that member church agre disagre issu admit that side honestli studi scriptur and had spirit lead conclus work last year abort issu threaten thing and hope that can foster love and care attitud peopl disagre view cliff slaughterbeck dept physic time for sermon univers washington grand torino seattl hard agre disagre disagr presbyteri and church ordain peopl that will not recogn that difficult situat connect church live lot peopl not will note that church not will live thi kind compromis ordin women thing that will prevent person presbyterian minist that don accept ordin women argument that can half church not accept leader half peopl will decid live thi case didn admit that presbyteri submit overtur that exactli thi effect and consid ambigu current situat clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu bryan whitsel list vers felt condemn homosexu ml panix michael siemon wrote respons that vers us incred pervers interpret and that simpli not address issu respons wrote can that vers not address issu coupl not requir incred pervers interpret order condemn homosexu not deceiv fornic idol adulter effemin homosexu thiev covet drunkard revil swindler inherit kingdom god and such you cor care comment fact that fornic will not inherit kingdom god thi appli homosexu understand fornic sex marriag thi accur definit such thing sex marriag bibl understand that testament bless sexual intercours husband and wife will listen scriptur evid contrari remaind post delet moder made comment address ambigu mean word passag you quot liber and conserv sourc agre that homosexu not gener term for homosexu like mean homosexu prostitut that doesn meant that biblic evid vanish natur evid such that you can quot vers and solv thing you refer term effemin and homosexu passag agre that accuraci translat challeng simpli comment charg that incred pervers interpret read thi condemn homosexu such charg impli that reason person conclud vers that paul intend condemn homosexu can reason person thi view vers not incred pervers read thi your argument fornic circular homosexu wrong fornic fornic not marri aren marri church refus marriag ceremoni church refus marriag ceremoni homosexu wrong order break circl reason homosexu wrong clh wasn think church coupl doesn marri minist secular justic peac job and two peopl marri point that easi find biblic basi for heterosexu marriag bibl christian marriag two peopl sex and you biblic basi for sex marriag will gai christian save for such marriag and never sexual intercours that marriag relationship note that not impli that gai christian not will monogam genuin interest hear opinion subject heard comment gai past that lead regard promiscu main point homosexu tend doubt that gai want christian advoc such posit gai view mark agre that reason person conclud that paul condemn homosexu respond detail your post that doesn mean agre michael respect clh
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid hub ucsb edu david goggin write dream and oob total mental phenomena thi case moral dream and oob realiti anoth plane assum that dreeam and oob environ real exist moral ethic appli and moral law appli can anoth altern oob form contact demon world intention unintention surrend control percept spiritu be purpos deceiv and entrap mark
soc.religion.christian	satan toung articl atho rutger edu koberg spot colorado edu allen koberg write hmmm testament stori tower babel god punish give languag can assum that angel languag that angel not punish manner babel includ angel spoke languag babel god punish give languag origin that case angel speak tongu mankind spoke babel jonah
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian dan schaertel dp nasa kodak wrote articl geneva rutger edu loisc microsoft loi christiansen write you visit congreg christian happen homosexu that spirit fill believ not mcc you lump togeth troi perri gee real crimin robber muder drug addict fun love care peopl your point peopl nice point not nice nice not christian virtu point that gift and fruit spirit fruit you manifest and prayer spirit fill gai christian manifest spirit gentil that convinc peter act that prejudic base scriptur add not accord god intent hate sin and not sinner beliv homosexu wrong don hate peopl don don hate kid wrong and lie don admit wrong don make effort improv repent punish thi quit you want care you satan work destroi sens and wrong feel goodism convinc you that you god kind adam and ev stori read and compar todai mental you supris issu discern that satan convinc that god that god god peter teach don that god show partial nation fear and accept act revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach poram ihlpb att wrote let talk principl accept that god set standard for includ scriptur can authorit authorit not qualiti write statement commun faith whether will accept write norm prophet propheci defin speak god messag apocrypha sure qualifi authent standard authent function author histor accuraci dynam thi suppos mean apocryph book highli dynam thought provok faith even excit receiv collect read and us apocryph book receiv collect not read and us and cathol and orthodox church count apocrapha fall short glori god thi demonstr fals quot unger bibl dictionari apocrapha abound histor and geograph inaccuraci and anachron book bibl teach doctrin fals and foster practic varianc sacr scriptur fals interpret church that accept find contradict rest scriptur resort literari type and displai artifici subject matter and style keep sacr scriptur thi pure subject evalu apocryph book demonstr categori and form write found scriptur fact argu that apocryph addit book esther act bring unscripturelik book esther into line book lack distinct element give genuin scriptur divin charact such prophet power and poetic and religi feel you read wisdom ben sira wisdom solomon exhibit bit poetic and religi feel psalm proverb delet you view word warn hear word propheci thi book add god will add plagu describ thi book and take thi book propheci god will share tree life and holi citi rev sure thi set standard and not man made tradit word meant refer book revel alon not bodi scriptur revel accept late into canon church simpli not primari role kind identifi and limit scriptur noteworthi jesu attitud had argument pharise canon john and explain follow road emmau that law prophet and psalm refer divis scriptur luke luke take genesi chronicl jewish order genesi malachi scriptur jesu not refer canon for simpl reason that dai canon had not establish close collect book apocrypha part septuagint bibl earli church hebrew canon not close torah pentateuch law establish jesu dai prophet exclus daniel write flux jesu not refer write psalm part book apocrypha part literatur that eventu sift and separ argu that jesu refer jewish canon order luke weak not quot scriptur tell chronolog stori and mention hebrew canon present order not exist such jesu dai revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach larri larri overack shellgat llo psi write not dave davi wrote deutero canon book ad church histori not spiritu qualiti rest scriptur not church that ad book guid spirit and that thi sort discuss ultim end put foot mouth church histori correct that council hippo list deuterocanon book accept for us church and that thi ratifi council carthag and pope innoent and gelasiu eerdman histori church end fourth centuri view differ regard extent canon number book acknowledg divin and authorit jewish canon hebrew bibl univers receiv apocrypha ad greek version septuagint gener account book suitabl for church read and middl class canon and strictli apocryph pseudonym write and justli for book great histor and fill gap testament and origin cessat propheci and cannot regard inspir cite christ apostel western church canon testament close end fourth centuri author jerom waver critic doubt and principl tradit and augustin firmli alexandrian canon septuagint and preponder tradit refer cathol epistl and revel place inclin testament apocrypha deutero canon bear subordin author thi histori that augustin attend council hippo and carthag interest note footnot fourth session council trent footnot list synod endors list canon book tridentin list decre infal and effectu promulg declar canon holi scriptur lead that canon not offici trent previou erron statement not groundless interest note that council trent uphold latin vulgat edit scriptur authent suppos todai cathol scholar council had never council made distinct deutero canon and canon book contrast eerdman statement fourth centuri view david wagner confession lutheran
soc.religion.christian	prai for justic recent across thi articl found interest post hear peopl feel issu realis long page wordperfect worth read for page type rest scan inus omnipag come and visa versa correct author peter hammond founder frontlin fellowship missionari organis wit communist countri southern africa made visit east european countri frontlin fellowship new issn prai for justic peter hammond involv minist christian suffer persecut imprecatori psalm tremend sourc comfort and fight for life preborn battl social evil such pornographi crime begin import weapon god entrust imprecatori psalm imprecatori psalm earli christian walk encount prayer for judgement psalm and quit loss respond prayer such break arm wick and evil men call account for wicked psalm not consist gospel love had accept psalm motiv love for god lord king for and nation will perish land and wick man revil god and love for innoc suffer you hear lord desir afflict you encourag and you listen cry defend fatherless and oppress order that man earth terrifi nevertheless grew increasingli uncomfort read such graphic prayer for god judg wick pour your wrath your fierc anger overtak lord god aveng god aveng shine rise judg earth pai back proud deserv break teeth mouth god vanish water arrow blunt righteou will glad aveng bath feet blood wick men will sure righteou reward sure god judg earth want god honour and deepli destress preval evil prai for god pour wrath wick scriptur make clear that prayer not prai for selfish motiv person enemi prai christ for glori and enemi psalmist describ target imprec devis injustic heart and hand mete violenc boast evil and disgrac ey god your tongu plot destruct sharpen razor and you practis deceit you love evil good falsehood speak truth crush your peopl slai widow and alien murder fatherless cun conspir your peopl plot you cherish you hate wrong you destroi li bloodthirsti and deceit men lord abhor unrepent enemi god psalmist declar sure god will bring you everlast ruin sure god will crush head enemi sin and purpos prayer for justic declar will end earth that god rule proclaim power god king will bow and nation will serv power your anger for your wrath great fear that due you despit fact that psalm includ imprec prayer invok god righteou judgement wick such prayer rare averag western church persecut church prayer common prai persecutor amidst burnt church and devast marxist angola found survivor communist persecut includ crippl and maim and widow and orphan prai for god strike wick and remov persecutor church shock biblic even martyr heaven prai long sovereign lord holi and true you judg inhabit earth and aveng blood revel initi communist persecut angola agestino neto describ drunken psychot marxist poet neto had instal cuban troop dictat angola boast that year won bibl church left angola will erad christian despit viciou wave church burn and massacr not christian that erad angola agestino neto neto di mysteri circumst oper tabl moscow romania learnt seri remark incid record god judg persecutor church answer prayer communist offici order pastor arrest dai offici di heart attack anoth communist parti offici order that bibl district collect and pulp turn into toilet paper thi blasphem project fact carri dai offici medic examin inform that had termin cancer di shortli anoth occas communist offici had order baptist church demolish bulldoz di car crash dai order dismantl place worship mountainsid forest workmen flatli refus carri order gunpoint group conscript gypsi refus touch church desper communist polic forc prison bayonet point dismantl structur offic charg plead local christian prai for that god not judg emphasis that had noth christian and obei strict order build fact reconstruct and us for worship seiz sear and name lord jesu held high honour thi word lord spread wide and grew power act nicola ceaucescu dictat order persecut romania overthrown armi and execut christma dai joyou shout antichrist dead street testifi that thi answer fervent prayer long suffer peopl romania anoth persecutor church challeng god samora machel dictat marxist mozambiqu samora machel cannib at human flesh witchcraft ceremoni pledg soul satan and vow that destroi church and turn mozambiqu into marxist leninist state africa thousand church mozambiqu close confisc nationalis chain and padlock burnt board missionari expel imprison evangel forbidden bibl ceremoni burnt and ten thousand christian includ pastor and elder ship concentr camp never month sudden death samora machel curs god publicli and challeng prove exist strike machel dead octob church specif prai for god stop persecut mozambiqu machel soviet tupelov aircraft crash violent thunderstorm plane crash metr south africa boundari mozambiqu amidst wreckag marxist plan for overthrow govern malawi discov and publish not had god judg blasphem and persecutor had save countri persecut month lead multi parti elect zambia church fast and prai tor god remov year socialist dictatorship kenneth kaunda thi octob fredrick chiluba man convert christ whilst imprison for oppos kaunda elect presid zambia and coven make zambia christian countri record histori that wick mari queen scot declar trembl and tear afraid john knox prayer armi ten thousand april secretari gener south african communist parti chri hani shot dead unpreced intern wave condol and adul report forgiven for assum that thi man saint and martyr not death and resurrect christ jesu domin thought and headlin south africa thi easter assassin chri hani stun hypocrisi situat that peopl murder south africa collect concern and anguish report death head communist parti for thousand victim govern intern commun and mass media appar had greater sorrow report thi death for south african murder sinc februari anc sacp and pac unban member anc revolutionari council sinc deputi command umkhonto sizw anc militari wing and chief staff chri hani had approv and order bomb and assassin unarm civilian jesu warn live sword will die sword matt person confront hani terrorist activ press confer washington publicli declar support for fidel castro col gaddafi yasser arafat and saddam hussein and defend place car bomb and limpet mine public place struggl told that christian and didn hate hate commun and prai for that god bring repent and salvat christ that god remov respond swear and declar that atheist peopl prai that god bring hani repent remov similarli church america begun prai imprecatori psalm unrepent abortionist town abortionist struck heart attack stroke car accid and cancer month public prayer for god stop killer preborn babi prais god for righteou act judgement and quot justic bring joi righteou and terror evildo proverb shock that christian express satisfact misfortun even blatantli wick apostl prai imprecatori prayer act galatian tim and lord matt attitud imprecatori psalm prai psalm tackl thorni issu present short summari excel book war psalm princ peac lesson imprecatori psalm jame adam publish presbyterian and reform publish compani lord jesu christ apostl us psalm constantli teach men god testament quot testament time quot psalm christ allud psalm time psalm prayer book bibl imprecatori psalm oracl god christian comment theologian reject psalm devilish diabol unsuit church and not god pronounc wrath wick prayer man for vengeanc enemi opposit jesu teach that love enemi tim declar scriptur god breath and for teach rebuk correct and train righteous that man god equip for good work peter fact that word god comprehens not ground deni even question inspir make ourselv judg good evil impud place god imagin ourselv holier god wrong idea god led becom evangel plastic surgeon made job clean god word idea proper forgotten that god alon determin christian and suitabl for church essenc question author god word ev origin sin listen satan question hath god psalm part god revel and attribut and reaffirm authorit word god imprecatori psalm evangel plastic surgeon reject unsuit and unworthi for church psalm christ us testifi mark matt and apostl us authorit scriptur act act heb samuel spurgeon imprecatori psalm thi hard place scriptur passag soul trembl read not our sit judgement bow ear lord speak reject part god word reject giver that word god prai psalm christ quot psalm not prophesi spoke psalm word psalm occupi enorm place life lord us prayer book and song book synagogu festiv and last supper cross christ quot psalm not ancient author that adapt for us word word lord anoint david son father into your hand commit spirit god god you forsaken ministri christ foretel will judg dai judgement and quot psalm matt will plainli never knew you you evildo heb apostl attribut directli christ gospel christ record word similarli hebrew attribut directli christ despit record spoken word earth apostl believ christ speak psalm christ establish kingdom and extend merci earth never forget that jesu will come execut judgement wick david anoint king chosen peopl god prototyp jesu christ act prophet foresaw and spoke resurrect christ david wit christ offic lite and word word david spoke futur messiah spoke prayer david prai christ christ prai psalm forerunn david imprecatori psalm express infinit justic god indign wrong and compass for wrong psalm repent christ lamb god substitutionari sacrific for sin christ dai crucifixion charg sin peopl appropri debt for had made respons lord substitut for sinner sinner place isaiah god made had sin sin for that becom righteous god cor histori psalm imprecatori psalm understood prayer christ augustin jerom ambros tertullian luther and psalm voic christ christ prai imprecatori psalm psalm messian lord jesu christ prai prayer vengeanc for righteou king peac god destroi enemi prayer signal alarm enemi king jesu prayer will answer god word reveal oppos christ reject god forgiv cross christ will bear dread curs god prai psalm will dai make thi prayer realiti declar left depart you curs into etern fire prepar for devil and angel matt enemi lord hear psalm god kingdom war power evil will tall and god alon will reign forev justic judg and make war mouth come sharp sword strike nation will rule iron sceptr tread winepress furi wrath god almighti king king and lord lord rev jesu prayer contradictori jesu command love enemi and bless curs matt christ love and merci saviour forgiv sin awesom judg come judgement disobei gospel god will pai back troubl troubl you and give relief you troubl thi will happen lord jesu reveal heaven blaze fire power angel will punish not obei gospel lord jesu will punish everlast destruct and shut presenc lord and majesti power dai come glorifi holi peopl and marvel believ thess jesu power earth forgiv sin and power earth execut judgement enemi psalm vengeanc and love god even gospel imprec woe you hypocrit blind guid blind fool full greed and indulg whitewash tomb you snake you brood viper will you escap condemn hell matt matt christ quot and refer betray juda acknowledg that christ prayer bless not for john clear that christ prai elect god obei your word accept god word and believ luke reject messag god kingdom will judg prai imprecatori psalm martin luther point that prai hallow thy name thy kingdom come thy will put opposit thi pile and curs maledict and disgrac name and kingdom ruin and torn apart and scheme and wisdom and plan run aground prai tor extens god kingdom solicit destruct kingdom dan god heaven will set kingdom that will never destroi will crush kingdom and bring end will endur forev advanc and victori for church mean defeat and retreat for kingdom dark life death struggl two kingdom church cannot exclud hatr tor satan kingdom love for god kingdom god kingdom cannot come satan kingdom destroi god will cannot earth destruct evil glori god demand destruct evil influenc sickli sentiment insist assum exist right man focu right god note psalm psalmist prai plot togeth god and peopl cover face shame that men will seek your name lord you midian you sisera and jabin river kishon perish endor and refus ground stori sisera book judg chapter and vivid exampl god judgement wick sisera cruelli oppress israelit for twenti year and cri lord for judg respons prayer lord rout sisera and chariot and armi sword and sisera abandon chariot and fled foot troop sisera fell sword not man left judg account describ sisera escap tent jael lull into fals sens safeti and drove tent peg templ hammer song victori deborah and barak celebr crush head sisera graphic detail judg and thi that psalm implor god enemi you sisera bless obedi and curs disobedi imprecatori psalm fulli consist law god you not carefulli follow word thi law written thi book and not rever thi gloriou and awesom name lord your god lord will send fear plagu you and your descend will bring you diseas egypt that you dread and will cling you lord will bring you kind sick and disast not record thi book law you destroi you not obei lord your god will ruin and destroi you you will uproot land you enter possess deuteronomi coven god made peopl includ curs for disobedi bless for obedi deuteronomi record formal give and receiv coven term awesom account levit recit peopl israel loud voic curs man carv imag cast idol thing detest lord work craftsman hand and set secret peopl amen curs man dishonour father mother curs man move neighbour boundari stone curs man lead blind astrai road curs man withhold justic alien fatherless widow curs man kill neighbour secretli curs man accept bribe kill innoc person curs man not uphold word law carri peopl amen deut testament confirm that inevit consequ reject christ curs not love lord curs corinthian roman hebrew can preach prayer church jesu christ armi order scriptur constitut offici dispatch command chief problem call pass order refus can expect unit effect armi that troop lost sight commiss demolish stronghold kingdom dark church not hear battl cri captain will follow battlefield pastor commiss pass order church command never withhold 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soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach call todai testament written approx imat bce modern scholar book daniel predat alexand great book written predominantli hebrew book written thi time and greek speak hellenist jew book reckon denomin apocrypha close write part todai call canon book us jew dai reckon base zech that propheci had ceas thi faction maintain that true prophet dai maintain that literatur prophet charact not genuin teach god time anoth faction had enter mess christian had come claim that write suitabl read synagogu and us for worship palestinian jewish leader togeth and state that book written time ben sira sirach onward not sacr write justifi thi zech write christian call heret not inspir codifi thing close canon somewhat offici sens council jamnia book ecclesi ast song song esther made that date had written prior offici cut point time ben sira for inclus that had establish order christian and hellenist write jerom exclud apocrypha not us jew dai and for sirach not found hebrew time criterion for separ pre christian write not base inspir plenti not time passag you quot concern book rev found frank
soc.religion.christian	boston note articl submit behalf frank daniel difficulti post email repli daniel math ufl edu unabl post bitnet group capsul histori shepherd discipleship movement church christ crossroad boston trace movement back and root back that influenc movement and not actual movement per will start that dai white church and color church area due segreg modern pentecost develop predominantli color phenomenon great fanatic emphasi emot experi and belief person guidanc and indwel holi spirit white protest church grow into conserv fundament evangel movement full swing and group part civil right movement grew stronger and white church group began influenc black church and thi spread start liber group and spread conserv late even cathol church displai evid influenc group evid todai church christ and conserv protest group influenc began reach cofc gener not appreci conserv group strongli resist chang and movement cofc statu quo magazin put that time cofc folk stori unfold idea into cofc big push reach colleg student young adult and teen call thi campu evangel ism movement emot gener not highli regard cofc larg plai import role movement place peopl began speak tongu pentecost predecessor thi met extrem critic church christ place peopl fire job for speak tongu for advoc holi spirit movement anoth name for branch term underground church christ into us peopl had hide differ ostricis congreg leadership recept idea part tongu speak never caught street church christ gainesvil campu ministri had regard import street and idea help tool for evangel put vital into church felt had lack octob street congreg hire chuck luca campu minist move congreg lead minist late earli congreg work group held bibl discuss daytona beach spring break organ talk fratern univers florida campu work sport peopl congreg order larger build construct finish group move and chang name longer crossroad church christ name that becom legendari thi time crossroad basic cofc program fulli align movement didn start continu and respons for wound church christ area felt that cooper crossroad due recogn doctrin problem crossroad crossroad had begun heavili emphas and requir attend church function good thing for each member close relationship person you share your problem prai and concept call prayer partner discipleship partner and mandatori leadership assign prayer partner peopl for book call master plan evangel strong influenc chuck luca and group believ that person duti and life purpos carri great commiss crossroad grow number and number import import person evangelist spiritu evangel meant invit peopl crossroad event you thi lot and convert you spiritu sermon you bought groceri cashier and bag boi receiv invit servic your job receiv invit sinc peopl need jesu you aggress don for answer you not evangel you call lazi unspiritu end decad prayer partner system integr into structur elder and minist top big pyramid group leader bibl studi leader and member had thi time that bad 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larg unproduct and unfruit fruit passag interpret refer convert you not bear fruit john you cast into fire boston teach thi you love your neighbor you save soul invit church and convert you not that you don love your neighbor and you don love you danger backslid logic argument continu thi vein chuck luca fire job minist due recur sin life struggl never reveal congreg larg peopl congreg had heard for contact friendship level crossroad member and you contact your focu convert bring bibl studi chuck replac joe wood fulli support boston system boston grew number began offer train session for minist joe boston train and return cross road readi emphas total commit church that boston and kip mckean emphas eventu fall elder crossroad number dick whitehead and bill hogl made decis boston demand that church movement come direct church boston elder refus cite belief that each church autonom true boston church christ perhap degre offens sinc crossroad longer exampl rest movement group number 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boston ministri recruit due number complaint case document that boston ministri li univers offici order continu access campu resist that experi term pers cution true christian expect experi you christian you not persecut number boston peak sinc fought remain steadi heard tape kip mckean shout leader for fail fulfil great commiss life purpos god command christian highli center command and obedi crossroad onc call cult boston recogn cult awar network and nation and intern group cult formal definit techniqu emploi term cult differenti sect practic techniqu techniqu emploi recogn techniqu destruct pursuas us shepherd discipleship group robert jai lifton margaret thaler singer and written topic techniqu includ guilt motiv emot manipul load languag aura sacr scienc sort mystic element everydai event and ax grind movement numer ou friend part movement never had fall movement disagre thing teach recogn psycholog damag involv such system hold loyalti mainstream church christ and not defend 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soc.religion.christian	hell larri overack write you knew doubt that hell not exist and that unbeliev simpli remain dead you remain christian content that you answer thi question not remain christian you not follow christ great live life and care happen die that will resurrect that won effect live thi life ouch thi good question not exist wors exist matter will modifi thi question christian made etern differ reward punish hope thi spirit you want person goal orient hard for thing that not achiev goal relat thi sport learn not care score becom good basketbal player had learn matter situat perhap thi lesson relev can give life can humbl can achiev glori concentr live life can will afford life etern you illumin true mean save faith answer remain christian that answer that problem heaven and hell good motiv stage matur and admit time perhap bite tongu and put hope dai mental trade present happi for futur happi hope cynic and skeptic not read into that honest scott mayo write pointless question you cannot doubt that hell not exist anymor you can short take jesu word for question fun and entertain fruitless kind question extrem fruit guess depend view knowledg and learn strip idea simpl straightforward oppos concept can determin level import analyz theoret absurd can gain understand absurd chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist apolog articl atho rutger edu maxwel muir muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu write face implic that atheism kind aberr and that broken peopl atheist origin poster articl apolog impli that atheism broken such not intent and apolog for hurt feel process filipp sapienza depart technolog servic univers michigan hospit surgeri fil sapienza med umich edu
soc.religion.christian	mormon belief children born wedlock bruce webster write ld doctrin step and case hold parent respons for children sin fail bring properli note that thi passag appli member ld church bruce you reconcil thi practic ezekiel ezekiel soul sin will die son will not share guilt father will father share guilt son righteous righteou man will credit and wicked wick will charg ezekiel not translat correctli your ey perhap sincer aaron cardena bother offens word post thi newsgroup obscen place for live bibl eph moder your not let post foul languag happen twice you avoid foul languag bastard foul languag shout insult thi case us origin technic sens similarli hell obscen context not refer afterlif not clear that bastard foul languag us proper mean todai post quot deut prohibit that clh
soc.religion.christian	atheist and hell sundai kenneth engel write substanc told that penalti for sin etern hell told that jesu paid penalti suffer stead jesu not spend etern hell thi object presuppos forens substitut theori aton not believ aton understand term for expans thi statement send messag gen ruff gen ruff gen ruff gen ruff listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inr asu edu note that charact gen you want read opun begin start gen jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	prai speak tongu for prai tongu for you prai speak tongu and gain knowledg thi subject western kentucki univers eastee wkuvx bitnet
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu carlson larc nasa gov ann carlson write articl atho rutger edu think gai and christian not compat check digniti integr light presbyterian church affirm mcc church etc meet gai christian find prai discuss scriptur and form your opinion absolutli love time and energi problem total fair throught thi type search issu beliv don time resourc abil you you prai that god opportun simpli discredit not talk gai christian christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	incarn two mind christ nabil wrote famili agre that will and act hypostasi logo incarn marhaba nabil posit two mind christ mind logo and mind human jesu admit two will mind not mind will thi dealt past church prnouncement philosoph problem that examin morri argu that incarn can thi mind logo mind jesu circumsrib god human son god son complet access human mind mind human mind access mind god son son access thi explain jesu even not time kingdom human will act accord divin will free human decis human will decid differ intend divin will interced thi never case emploi interest analog support person two mind theori idea complet healthi version split person field psycholog and intrigu idea dream act know that you omnisci hypostasi uniti two mind agre wait for morri and respond linger problem two mind make two person christian analyt philosoph break ground explic ration theism and incarn ted kalivoda tedr athena uga edu univers georgia athen institut higher note that person us abstact sens english connect person person and thing that human attribut not whether want appli person god that christ had two person clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu carlson larc nasa gov ann carlson write bibl vers us homosexu delet think gai and christian not compat check digniti integr light presbyterian church affirm mcc church etc meet gai christian find prai discuss scriptur and form your opinion check episcop church mean episcopalian sympathet homosexu men and women fairli larg percentag experi good friend episcopalian minist ordain and live monogam homosexu relationship thi diminish abil minist fact signific ministri gai and lesbian associ commun signific aid ministri uncl gai and found thi had good long bibl thi and feel god think thi conclus wrong nonetheless and feel that import thing that wrote and testament passag cite not that scientif evid support that homosexu partli inher complet learn thi mean that extent great extent homosexu cannot choos feel peopl report cure homosexu chill and make feel ill not that can cite sourc you can find thi inform homosexu behavior record monkei and anim suggest that inher learn that word unnatur shouldn appli rememb that you gai and lesbian shoul not exclud your love and accept christ love and sin and never homosexu paul such wonder wisdom women shouldn speak church and women head cover church not exact quotat don bibl handi thing tendenc thing paul grain salt that for ann carlson carlson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center hampton vera noy lord risen parti noy midwai uchicago edu vera noy
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu eugen bigelow ebai sun geno write noth unclean enter heaven rev babi born such state that die cuf god and put hell exactli doctrin augustin and thoma jeff adam paragraph that didn write don that unbapt babi put hell don even hell don fieri place will gnash teeth geno
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu maxwel muir write lot stuff delet focus point strong atheist feel that lack evid omnipot impli lack exist haven met strong atheist that noth persuad call seeker you don weak atheism ignor atheist simpli don god posit that god exist for weak atheist atheism disbeliev don activ atheism you thi confus figur differ protest and methodist atheist point view confus differ thi weak atheism you put and agnostic agnostic not believ necessarili disbeliev us agnost thi definit weak atheism includ not necessarili believ god guess hard time understand peopl not decid constantli state examin includ atheist assum that guess peopl don import answer life univers and comment wonder thi anoth fallaci theist that believ faith guess atheism end moment shown proof god exist that tough call thing base faith you onc profess agnost think christian and didn work tough mull whether not miracl anoth email chaplain come can you luck and post you find and told you that find faith intellectu dishonest note that can speak for you find faith honest show hmm guess don understand time absolut know that true satisfact and sens peac psycholog live thi thi you mean proof that god spoke onc imagin odd thing that you don point start believ get sort ridicul question you draw line unabl reconcil that broken you that invis fairi live garden and that you word for you accept that you fundament mind and you for proof assert god exist logic physic proof discuss natur god add question you read pascal you you you not interest cslewi surpris joi interest know you sarcasm intend thi can never written word will interpret not interest convert you sinc don proof interest learn muppet and garlic toast forev thi max bob muir cheer vera give you disclaim don agre sweet trent reznor nin theologi inch nail interest nonetheless noy midwai uchicago edu vera noy
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian attempt make homosexu feel unwelcom discomfort homosexu incompat christian hatr deep that becom closer jesu thi true peopl place thi higher sin jesu screen guilti sin mistrust jesu can forgiv sin big part problem that homosexu and peopl advoc accept homosexu church not activ homosexu sin don attitud forgiv and will chang noth wrong life and can good christian you ill you don accept christian can and will accept homosexu will accept sinner natur peopl homosexu perfectli natur for sin born desir sin work prevent sin common urg lash anger not sudden disappear sin desir sad peopl leav church discourag that homosexu year darin johnson djohnson ucsd edu particl man particl man thing particl can
soc.religion.christian	hyslop and two babylon two babylon brought time for respond onc and that thi book junk noth that anti cathol tract sort publish sinc protest scholarship phoni and assert spuriou wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu fil sapienza med umich edu fil sapienza write articl atho rutger edu maxwel muir muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu write faith you want feel that faith intellectu dishonest support for thi statement not make sens defin faith belief abscens evid includ evid past experi past experi god effect life and never evid for god can explain neccess god convinc fiction work read and reason not god peopl reconcil thi lack evid faith faith that sens understand word faith that find intellectu dishonest ambigu religi belief unwilling pascal wager heard thi frequent exactli pascal wager pascal wager thi premis isn god premis god exist and will damn for not believ premis god not exist belief god doesn matter death death conclus belief god superior belief belief damn etern punish wrong belief god wast time life wrong sound pretti straightforward and logic sound problem premis presuppos odd belief and belief thi flat wrong sheer number religion and fact that for part religion mutual exclus heard theist refer atheist god god god set god consequ thi pick wrong god suddenli odd don good pick wrong god wrong doctrin god leav you possibl wrong and damn anoth god version hell sound broken you don you point that your mother treatment upset you and inconsist religion not that constitut broken ness not consititut disillusion don disillusion enter into you present mother treatment show question atheism question continu thi dai had atheist for year contact mother version christian had becom somewhat disillus atheism thought god becom disillus religion simpli had thought time that had answer found each time place becom stronger attitud belief you will faith base evid past experi that never find religion answer sorta for easter egg time take you find convinc you becom that you found egg you find mention that critis isn make highli christian contrari posit construct critis will like improv attitud christian abus critis will turn accus you sapienza slip that into thi post forgot repli that filipp sapienza depart technolog servic univers michigan hospit surgeri fil sapienza med umich edu muppet and garlic toast forev max bob muir leav for home thursdai thi like last post for summer meantim you for help thing miss meander world
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist articl atho rutger edu mayn fsu edu write articl atho rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu write stuff deal deffer delet thi not compar christian main stream western cultur you trivial experi not mean understand your experi wors small bit ridicul had put guess didn understand rememb christian told time that and fact that member church christian believ god weren bad atheist small minor that noth compar atheist wow pretti conserv church excus thi ridicul understat you thing compar young child christian surround staunch atheist includ parent activ persecut religi tendanc actual punish and even wors emot blackmail mainstream societi side condit occur soviet union not countri god pledg allegi side note that god wasn recent father sixti rememb pledg allegi that don histori that emot blackmail ouch good neutral rais complet toler household that make decis doubt even children taught christian and support atheism doesn taught christian guess can that can child believ sort god imagin basi guess thi sort minor queri parallel lack choic for homosexu and lack choic for atheist delet atheism born necess for intellectu honest person belief respons evid hmm christian thi isn flame thi real opinion offer you that hasn necessarili proven you will wish noth choos lie silent true belief choos god christian decid that ordinari sky red sound you atheist natur that part due appar repress natur christian your childhood thi get person perhap you ignor can email clear that not equat gai mistak assum that pain experi broken happili made stronger onc past thi gener remark you not sound broken stronger that wasn hurt experi church friend didn becom atheist hurt differ not understand thi sentenc you explain not detail and violat confid childhood friend suffic that religion not guarante that person will happi and strong emotion and repress upbring can leav scar even don free doubt that sane and sincer person doubt that and feel defend agre that damag repress religion can and result intend rais children can accept religi stand atheism includ thi and question thi import happier and stronger closet end eloqu put privat email experi liber disillus can that bill mayn cheer vera cherch un am qui don agre pourra aider mylen farmer religi view sui interest un gener desenchante vera noy mylen farmer noy midwai uchicago edu
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti articl atho rutger edu bocher write that middl ag customari for pastor explain triniti parishon analog water water water can exist form liquid ic and vapor for essenc exist form thi sound sort gener modal phase water mode behavior physic stuff not describ orthodox posit suppos that mediev view water that phase water behavior physic stuff mode not ident perhap mediev peopl not that and recent pastor church drew analog found woman perciev wai depend relationship mother wife and employe busi thi modalist monarchian sinc aspect depend sole point view and not repres actual varieti person you begin sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanlei friesen elsegundoca ncr
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian import gai christian sex christian christian hope will forgo sex complet order avoid stumbl block avoid chanc that interpret wrong etc not not heterosexu abstain time nice protest church had celib order show world that sex not import thing life truth gai church remind lot henri viii start church england order divorc thi myth note that not deni that gai christian christian darin johnson djohnson ucsd edu toi cow africa
soc.religion.christian	question virgin mari articl geneva rutger edu marka hcx ssd csd harri mark ashlei wrote countri that event approv pope imag mari japan korea yugoslavia philippin africa show tear natur blood you resourc countri mention articl atho rutger edu mdw uxa cso uiuc edu michael walker wrote current investig church recent declar cry statu and messag mari akita japan approv found thi month ago japan michael you give info akita nearest citi good find pictur and post digitis version peopl interest marti lost space japan paulei tai jkj sii
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu name mark write ml panix michael siemon write homosexu christian check vers us incred pervers interpret simpli not address issu can that vers not address issu exactli vers that address issu coupl not requir incred pervers interpret order condemn homosexu kind interpret incred pervers that appli stori sodom blanket equat homosexu behavior and rape sinc christian cite bibl such context presum read stori amount slander charg that homosexu rape us that not deceiv fornic idol adulter effemin homosexu thiev covet drunkard revil swindler inherit kingdom god and such you cor moder adequ discuss circular your us porneia thi can agre paul that kind activ that name fornic theft covet revil drunken deserv condemn not agre bound categori and fact that argu suggest that not matter not clear that paul excel rhetorician had interest make clear leav matter spirit led decis uncomfort live read that domin christian discuss area homosexu behavior and gai christian adam condemn rape heterosexu homosexu and child molest heterosexu homosexu and even possibl harmless obsess kind sex heterosexu homosexu that stand condemn paul continu chapter you cite mildli suggest that paul letter that you want us perhap good guid mean free you not for good doubt free for will not make free cor restat that god god command gai christian wish break peopl involv obsess driven mode sexual behavior wrong slightli incendiari secondari argument phobic conting equat homosexu such behavior equat rape god messeng won deal exegesi leviticu tangenti fundament you exhibit circular your assumpt that you porneia mean plenti law prohibit sexual behavior found leviticu christian ignor complet never even bother examin assum that moral and ritual new for you anthropolog sensit you ritual and clean unlcean categori aw lot societi buri pretti deep and cannot ground for distinguish bit leviticu ritual law christian feel appli dead peopl start thi matter repuls and unnatur act and huh solid clue sort arbitrari cultur inculc american prejudic eat insect basi assum your conclus can you that law male male intercours leviticu not part ritual law for christian that part leviticu can law for christian not even thought incumb you case handl merit determin you pick and ignor anoth frankli effort misguid reread paul doubt free christian criterion us for make judgment thi great command love for god and neighbor you cannot leviticu and decid each command that basi your arbitrari select simpli idiosyncraci thi context remark offens notic that vers forbid bestial immedi follow vers prohibit appear homosexu intercours thi almost slimei argument that homosexu rape argu can find joker defens bestial absolut irrelev and incompar issu gai christian rais concern sexual activ commit consensu human adult realtionship that your bring relev law kashrut you cannot address actual issu you bloodi dishonest trail thi red her front world you want address bestial that your busi not mine and attempt torpedo issu cultur ridicul joke show that you interest hear human be you want dismiss and us sleaziest mean you can jesu and paul expound explictli and consider length central linch pin christian moral thought requir love anoth and depend that gai and lesbian christ ian challeng you address issu term and return cheap debat trick attempt side track issu christian doubt sincer show and corner usenet and world and spout vers never thought never even read total ignor issu rais slander vilest charg child abus perfervid mind can manag conjur toss red her suppos great emot forc reader dismiss wit even take troubl find such behavior shame claim truth christ for god preciou sake you peopl quot irrelev vers condemn peopl you don and won even troubl listen you start your condemn that love your neighbor god forbid that you obei repeat command not judg condemn christ and paul spend order magnitud time insist thi half dozen obscur word paul that you bloodi readi licens god tell you not for god sake for god not send son into world condemn world that world save believ not condemn not condemn for refus name god son judgment thi light come into world men prefer dark light deed evil for practic wicked hate light and not come light for fear deed will expos act truth come into light that that deed god john for long ag confus evil counsel evil men and told that light shame and reject despair and cours that show sin shun god light bless spirit crush righteou justifi truth and truth light human and that not fear light enemi fear light wit and will can shadow dark fals wit michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	rememb year ago possibl discuss numerolog that you assign numer valu letter and add letter word effort prove anoth can never make sens suppos work suppos prove post long articl numerolog bibl thing thi prove intric plan scriptur pattern not brilliant followup numerolog numerolog post stuff word numerolog add and word appear time post such eleg plan word truth add writer numerolog clue show that reach truth numerolog exampl made exampl like that repli such excel job show that pattern can found not save copi not rememb author that post thi newsgroup chanc that rememb and save that author read want send copi made into faq can find darren provin kilroi gboro rowan edu us not brain can borrow woodrow wilson
soc.religion.christian	peopl becom atheist gmt fil sapienza med umich edu fil sapienza articl atho rutger edu maxwel muir muirm argon ga organpip uug arizona edu write ambigu religi belief unwilling pascal wager heard thi frequent exactli pascal wager god exist doesn two choic god don god true bring etern damnat bring etern life true minor inconveni compar ration god thi numer flaw cover faq for alt atheism place sound broken you don you point that your mother treatment upset you and inconsist religion not that constitut broken ness not consititut disillusion disillusion strike excel reason for stop believ bruce cmsr univers liverpool religion myth inform
soc.religion.christian	faq essai homosexu articl church and gai peopl pro gai viewpoint interest peopl particip thi thread email you send you warn worth materi make you mailbox and disk space short answer question you explain vers you justifi your action you ask and you want idea peopl think encourag you read ann carlson carlson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center hampton
soc.religion.christian	translat articl atho rutger edu mcovingt aisun uga edu michael covington write strong prefer for edit that not indent begin each vers vers paragraph vers number rel modern addit and not undu promin english languag edit that not show vers even chapter number thought that such edit hard navig scot that doesn show vers number and great read longer narr passag scot isn quit proper studi thi edit tend us feel for stori gospel and us english edit for detail alison origin neb put vers number margin jerusalem bibl put dot mark boundari vers clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu dp nasa kodak write articl geneva rutger edu loisc microsoft loi christiansen write can homosexu reach homosexu for christ not chang bring christ doesn want gai can chang that don hate peopl don don hate kid wrong and lie don admit wrong don make effort improv repent punish thi quit note differ christ disagre christian gai christ can chang that gai wrong that christian cannot gai chang loi and paul wrote believ rome you judg anoth servant jen includ stdisclaim jenk microsoft msdo test
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid articl atho rutger edu hub ucsb edu david goggin write your comment question that mind lot moral ethic appli dream and bodi incid normal dream you can control you aren moral respons for your action you can contriv control action dream oob moral appli appar odd peopl can sometim control dream for exampl decid sleep that want repeat favourit dream dream specif place unpleas dream can not redirect event pleasant guess that standard appli direct dream appli wake fantasi real life ref jesu teach woman lustfulli commit adultari normal dream displai theme that not concious chose dream that sign that not life underli tenstion fear that resolv straightforward sin case resolv fact case pretti rare don rememb dream that don chose almost import almost never dream pictur and not colour fact had precis full colour pictur dream that can rememb and defin spiritu import tend dream sound odd blur imag black and white interest topic fascin read respons alison make clear don and never oob tend limit for christian
soc.religion.christian	arsenokoitai mean thi week you ask earlier post and intertesti exegesi homosexu issu refer you faq file find longer contain long for mail each you each articl will back faq file renew interest thi subject will type permiss articl jame deyoung articl that read todat conserv posit can post onc will come piec meal and not daili retyp entir articl will make for faq file talk clh for can you rexlex fnal fnal gov lexrex almond fnal gov loren sender admail fnal gov sourc and mean arsenokoitai implic for christian ethic and ministri jame deyoung professor testament western conserv baptist seminari portland oregon tradit interpret arsenokoitai homosexu cor and tim refer sexual vice peopl sex specif homosexualitii restrict term mean activ male prostititut stronger evid support gener translat homosexu recent definit homosexu oppos clutur and linguist ground claim that term homosexu anachronist addit critic tradit render term todai includ celib homophil exclud heterosexu engag homosexu act and includ femal homosexu concern for act modern attent desir factor ancient world forego oppositit translat arsenokoitai homosexu number debilit weak final thi studi argu that paul coin term arsenokoitai deriv lxx lev and for homosexu orient and behavior occas for church disciplin cor and legisl societi tim introduct coincid rise gai right movement recent year increas focu biblic statement homosexu sodomi part thi focu mean term arsenokoitai us twice apostl paul cor tim receiv vigor scrutini thi issu crucial contemporari societi sinc modern ethic shape biblic statement concern gai right and place gai homosexu church and societi requir resolut biblic interpret thi studi histor linguist and literari matter will survei and evalut recent propos for mean arsenokoitai and present evid point resolut writer and posit repres modern debat thi word author bailei boswel and scrogg provok consider discuss and significantli encourag wider accept homosexu lifestyl societi church and ministri footnot for conveni sake term homosexu us encompass sex orient and sex behavior mean thi term main consider thi studi time differnt centuri ago fairbairn pastor epistl edinburg write arsenokoitai thit term for fortun languag proper equival unknowingli therebi touch basi for contemporari debat and studi present writer endors paulin authorship pastor epistl basi intern and extern evid donald guthri testament introduct for extens discuss and citat support paulin authorship for exampl scrogg influenc olson untangl web side april for studi suggest prohibit homosexu phillip unconv father skirt jan for bibliographi sourc deal arsenokoitai wisondisc religion index wison
soc.religion.christian	mercuri refer fundamentalist christian parent articl atho rutger edu dan ingr rose aros write rais oakland and san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parent mason beaten child onc san jose mercuri new come articl start rais oakland mexican parent mason beaten face red anger injustic mexican famili member and fundamentalist evangel notic thi trend media short permiss bash fundamentalist substitu nation such mexican simpli substitut religion rais muslim parent rais jewish parent paper simpli not thi
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu mail server write don necessarili object secreci question sinc biblic reason aspect christian worship involv secreci interest your claim that earli christian practic parallel mormon templ ceremoni you give exampl parallel mormon ceremoni don mormon ceremoni restor origin christian practic wasn that point joseph smith state mission recommend read mormon and earli christian hugh niblei articl christ forti dai post resurrect mission baptism for dead earli christian prayer circl and templ articl bruce bruce webster religion that not requir sacrific cto page softwar inc thing never power suffici bwebster page produc faith life and import page disclaim salvat joseph smith
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu mail server write interest your claim that earli christian practic parallel mormon templ ceremoni you give exampl parallel mormon ceremoni don mormon ceremoni restor origin christian practic wasn that point joseph smith state mission you want parallel sourc book templ and cosmo hugh niblei not light read earli practic parallel and not exactli duplic modern ld ceremoni coupl reason quit like not exact origin ancient time thi stuff not commonli bit and piec undoubtedli spread bit and piec modern ceremoni dai literatur egyptian ceremoni and nativ american ceremoni almost not exactli jesu taught aspect ceremoni modifi fit situat modern ceremoni modifi fit audio visual tool
soc.religion.christian	portland earthquak paul hudson hudson athena uga edu wrote articl atho rutger edu cctr cantua canterburi bill rea write histori impli pretti sin pastor church attend christchurch citi elim consid that prophesi natur disast judgement lord clear sign that prophesi not lord reason thi you chanc will thi weekend burn natur disast propheci that not mean that natur disast judgement propheci fals quick book jeremiah and obviou that judgement propheci can valid problem posit propheci peopl into judgement word underlin heart problem quick doesn justic depth book jeremiah studi jeremiah ezeki period solidli for year stage life that great deal underli theolog mean judgement prophesi make point clash jeremiah and fals prophet primarili theolog realm fals prophet understood relatioship god base coven that lord made david trace page testament thi coven initi condit continu obedi david descend view uncondit promis part lord descend david throne and never jerusalem subjeg foreign power jeremiah not judahit prophet anathoth across border had israelit territori prophesi theolog background coven lord had made israel mose northern kingdom had reject david coven death solomon theologi clash theologi local prophet deep understand mosaic coven and actut awar intern event that jeremiah spoke prophesi judgement prophesi deepli load theolog mean opinion portland earthquak prophesi and david wilkerson york will burn prophesi froth and bubbl compar majest theolog depth jeremiah prophesi bill rea bill rea comput servic centr mail rea csc canterburi univers canterburi cctr csc canterburi christchurch zealand phone fax
soc.religion.christian	faq essai homosexu articl geneva rutger edu hedrick geneva rutger edu write thi respons kinsei below sourc figur percent articl usa todai month ago show result studi that homosexu anoth figur that list figur even that bear whether not sin behavior peopl commit act fornic peopl li sin wai fair shameless natur act reflect gener spiritu state peopl and not specif featur homosexu isn specif featur homosexu paul describ men men work that unseemli describ act spirtual natur deprav and sin idolatri sexual immora and sin sprang deprav spiritu state result man not glorifi god god and thank act shameless homosexu even consid accept case hand passag contain explicit teach subject rom idolatri refer homosexu pass sin specif elabor testament scriptur not condemn drug dealer rule spirit letter not free legal protect sin that spirit word two edg sword that cut wai care total throw leviticu law reflect god charact and true holi natur that god endors homosexu run into problem homosexu natur that mean wholesom endors god and oppos sexual behavior narrow mind biggot condemn leviticu thi condemn midst sex sin condemn and noth text that thi law limit templ prostitut and good reason that thi case male homosexu sex death penalti crime sin elabor testament corinthian paul that corinthian had broken law not even heard gentil that father wife prohibit your father wife leviticu testament vers condemn thi notic that paul not that sin commit adulteri etc spoke father wife notic that thi sexual condemn leviticu not mention specif context pagan and pagan coustom mention corinthian matter fact take father wife wasn even gentil plain blantant sin whether worship idol involv not commonli made claim that paul had simpli never face kind question deal encount homosexu context peopl agre that wrong had never face experi christian act straight and fail and had never face christian defin christian homosexu fit gener christian ideal fidel and sexual mirror relationship god and man unfair paul judgement homosexu idolat and us make judgement question reason that not accept that common argument paul face thi and problem sin can tough come supernatur power homosexu sin difficult overcom that heterosexu sin lust marri woman sleep peopl opposit sex doubt and even that excus god greater anoth reason reject ignor supernatur power god interven thi kind situat peopl set free sin power god group that chang homosexu and fail that reflect peopl involv program and not god willing and abil chang sinner program that formula fail peopl power god chang whether involv homosexu sin sin claim that question counsel homosexu christian not theolog issu pastor paul tendenc can issu such eat meat and celebr holidai uncompromis principl pastor issu carefulli good peopl involv and avoid insist perfect person damag for exampl paul believ that accept eat meat want avoid push peopl into action had person qualm don you come that conclus paul deal pastori issu encourag peopl give liberti order spare not peopl continu sin difficult exampl eat meat offer idol paul felt that noth wrong abstract sens eat meat advis believ sacrific liberti eat meat order spare paul never allow peopl sin live holi tough paul wrote make provis for flesh fulfil lust thereof roman discours sacrific liberti order spare conscienc suppos not sin for peopl practic homosexu act sinc sin paul approach pastori issu homosexu sacrific liberti and celbat monogam marri member opposit sex paul never offer lesser sin homosexu marriag prevent peopl engag consid damag sin for anoth exampl paul prefer peopl circumst remain unmarri unabl marri state tempt fornic marriag not sin marriag holi and that god ordain and paul recogn thi note that creation stori work enter human life result sin thi doesn mean that christian can stop work save adam put garden tend fell fell toil ground danger cure that attempt fail and you end damag rang psycholog damag suicid broken marriag attempt live heterosexu fail that depend total god vuner and gloriou posit transform renew mind and that homosexu can walk freedom can imagin paul prefer peopl long term commit christian relationship promiscu work genesi suggest wasn part god origin ideal such relationship can vehicl for peopl share god love each you can peopl oppos view thi conclus kill gun aresen person overcom desir sleep goat for sleep goat person sleep aunt for sleep aunt case peopl anim sleep higher chanc that will diseas thi deal physic aspect question whichev sin commit lead spiritu death cent action christian homosexu that relationship greek homosexu that paul familiar thi exactli kind argument that made judici oath and tax collector issu that address scriptur actual act second isn histor snobberi that homosexu thi centuri capabl love relationship ancient write glorifi homosexu love btw believ refrain make oath you that tax collector sinner that not explicit jesu didn zachia quit job link hudson reluct comment thi detail basic concept intent jesu and paul greatli articl ambigu word and signific clear that paul consid homosexu wrong you thi fact depend your basic approach bibl afraid that commun legalist and anti legalist christian even harder protest and cathol cent sinc you disagre start point you disagre intermedi discuss and conclus sometim discuss interest work paul jew don agre sometim help insight into meant don sign for hope talk religion misc axiom that time hitler name invok hope for sensibl discuss thi subject sleep goat invok don basi for understand worth pursu clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu dp nasa kodak wrote articl geneva rutger edu loisc microsoft loi christiansen write you visit congreg christian happen homosexu that spirit fill believ not mcc you lump togeth troi perri gee real crimin robber muder drug addict fun love care peopl your point peopl nice didn visit nice homosexu visit congreg christian spirit fill believ prais lord that member bodi agre disagre god bless you and you heaven loisc
soc.religion.christian	serbian genocid work god vera shanti noy write you proof and innoc thi sin and will prai earnest entreati and supplic that creator unharm number elect clement bishop rome letter corinthian ignatiu call theophoru church ephesu asia worthi felicit bless great full god father predestin etern for glori that last and unchang unit and chosen true suffer will father jesu christ god ignatiu bishop antioch letter ephesian address that substanc concept orgin and eminec ancient and cathol church alon gather into uniti faith result familiar coven chosen predestin god knew foundat world that clement patriarch and archbishop alexandria miscellani doctrin explain fulli st augustin aquina etc seed ther begin thi confus sinc that christ jesu di for preknowledg obstinaci convolut account for coupl vers you read wrong not save not save account sin not god not give suffici grace for desir that men save save and save save grace god not work man boast damn obstinaci refus heed call god damn free will and chose choic forseen god caus not predestin reprob god grace margarin spread need and not isn and save and not save and noth hmmmm god not distribut grace evenli heart harden harden heart caus god withdraw grace you correct world divid into god save and god road perdit kei that god and not can boast complet assur that elect and predestin christian good standin doubt salvat that show lack trust god punish die you die direct bear live strang you admit you want hear and you can reciev fold heaven lai your treasur heaven jesu thi not condemn rich simpli point that rich frequent evil immor god give bless chosen remeb jesu promis tribul thi world and hatr christian not promis heaven earth promis heaven sin punish and not sort half punish grei area thi doctrin not you penanc earth you will purgatori paul point corinthian poorer work good intent will save fire damn will into fire immeadi for good not for god for dead work church indulg confess and annoint sick remov sin and vestig sin excus for end purgatori last hope for somewhat lazi and careless refer paul and comment flame you polit peopl talk net andi byler for balkan militari adventur that area that produc histori can consum local alexand great wwi ottoman empir byzantin empir refer stirf and foreign adventur gener balkan war latin greek war etc not good place hop into
soc.religion.christian	portland earthquak austin archer archau saturn wwc edu wrote interest view event can christian discrimin messag god and spuriou heurist avoid embrac messag fulfil proven fals caus name christ disreput thi problem that individu true prophet vision that interpret scale time and space materi con scious translat supersens percept plane that time and space into worldli context and get wrong not that ration that unconsci percept cloth materi imag remain realm potenti and not time space bound thi difficulti translat prophet vision into concret and difficult even for prophet that propheci subject multipl interpret likewis apostl feel that return lord sens perhap gener mean proven grasp prophet vision telescop time that thing that close anoth possibl that vision real event prepar happen realm potenti not manifest and thwart forc includ possibl act divin merci concret propheci made dai devout and sincer and sober christian and that great come event cast shadow arriv apocalypt time predict talk that sincer and sober hard accept hard ignor plete feel start readi begin commenc happen live chines interest time for discrimin bibl doesn testament passag forget that you will whether prophet true whether not propheci come pass that help elimin failur fact case earth quak small comfort that propheci that give specif time and place and event suspect not that necessarili fals sens state that such vision subject mistransl plane prophet vision plane earthli time and space for worth rudolf steiner onc ask whether modern initi into futur and predict come event answer that withdraw activ parti cipat includ proclaim thi fact spiritu law answer your question discrimin that make such propheci violat that law knowingli unknowingli and such messag consid priori dubiou expect that capabl make true predict and give accur express not that prophet oregon earthquak can sympath person publish propheci overwhelm experi that appar had feel impel and even commiss god fellow human be had gerri palo compuserv church historian reader whether propheci past don that impress clh
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept articl atho rutger edu jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler write refer mari immacul conceiv and never subject origin sin never commit person sin life thi special degre grace grant god quit problem idea that mari never commit sin mari fulli human for god miracul make person free origin sin and free commit sin life purpos incarn jesu can god repeat miracl for mari make rest sinless for repent and salvat and that don object idea assumpt perpetu virgin regard cathol dogma will agre disagre cathol brother and sister christ and even virgin birth jesu thi concept mari sinless odd rest christian doctrin understand seanna watson bell northern research prai that end live seanna bnr ottawa ontario canada philosophi and creed god will find peopl busi opinion opinion opinion plant tree and sow seed not bnr mine knew left fred kaan
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt don necess holi parent sanctifi normal human sound inabl grasp immens god grace incarn dinari human elizabeth greet mari elizabeth effect that mari women bless appear that thi exactli place mari sanctif normal human
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach michael siemon write inaccur that reform threw book basic secondari statu jerom had addit warn that doctrin not base citat alon protest love plai jerom for worth remeb that decre pope damsu jerom not hesit accpet deuteroncanon and quot scriptur write and point previou letter thi subject cathol church accept deuterocanon begin and protest sudden reviv theori condemn pope council and church that deuterocanon not inspir church jesu christ adopt canon unbeliev jew drawn jamnia counter christian us septuagint andi byler
soc.religion.christian	mormon and etern marriag mormon templ david hammerslag ask you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that resurrect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt explan for thi contradict propos ld scholar opinion studi posit jesu talk group peopl sadduce trip felt silli hypothet situa tion that ridicul concept resurrect didn peopl and associ brethren matt not recept such higher bless etern marriag peopl stori like not marri eterni ti that doesn mean faith peopl not thi bless jesu make distinct state condit marri and process marri activ marri and give marriag will not place etern etern marriag will care account synopt gospel miss that make real mean clearer note that ld not biblic inerr not gener feel oblig reconcil each and bibl text modern revel joseph smith and dai proph et upset that account question not significantli revis joseph smith translat inspir version bibl sinc not thi work complet that failur revis passag jst con stitut divin approv that passag stand kjv rich wale richw mk mortic kern system inc mk king waterloo ontario canada
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach barnei resson write count apocrapha fall short glori god quot unger bibl dictionari apocrapha abound histor and geograph inaccuraci and anachron part bibl liter psalm earth not move implic earth flat corner etc bibl written teach salvat not histori scienc teach doctrin fals and foster practic varianc sacr scriptur paryer for dead intercess saint taught maccabe sirach and tobit resort literari type and displai artifici subject matter and style keep sacr scriptur your subject judgement thi fall short your judgement and you not infal church jesu christ timothi lack distinct element give genuin scriptur divin charact such prophet power and poetic and religi feel subject feel thi not proof person feel problem thi argument li assumpt that hebrew canon includ apocrapha place and wasn sixteenth centuri that luther and threw jewish council you mention previous didn accept reform protest had good histor preced for action jerom translat apocrapha protest and liter dead bodi that includ cathol canon written time and hebrew canon fix jamnia palestin year foundat holi cathol and apostol church opinon jerom not count church pope ecumen council council gener instur magisterium church privat individu learn admittedli subject erro opinion and exlcud deuterocanon er pope damsu and council carthag and tradit father show point previou post you view word warn hear word propheci thi book add god will add plagu describ thi book and take thi book propheci god will share tree life and holi citi rev suggest you heed last part statement you want sens you take that take book will you lose heaven noteworthi jesu attitud had argument pharise canon john and explain follow road emmau that law prophet and psalm refer divis scriptur luke luke take genesi chronicl jewish order genesi malachi scriptur order canon unimport content that matter jesu statment exlcud deuterocanon interspers canon and remeb complet undisput book ezra nehemiah esther ecclesiats song song job etc that not quot testament not prejudici inspir andi byler
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin eugen bigelow write noteworthi jesu attitud had argument pharise canon john and explain follow road emmau that law prophet and psalm refer divis scriptur luke luke take genesi chronicl jewish order genesi malachi scriptur you rememb that adam transgress men and women sin paul wrote human cooperativlei rebll god adma sin subject and sin transmit gener gener andi byler
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic articl atho rutger edu eastee wkuvx bitnet write question satan taught long time ago that satan angel god and kick heaven challeng god author problem cannot find thi bibl bibl not origin wonder eddi eddi peopl battl describ rev describ cast satan heaven and fall earth shalom len howard
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu mail server write don necessarili object secreci question sinc biblic reason aspect christian worship involv secreci earli church histori catechumen dismiss prior celebr eucharist secret give rise rumor that christian cannib and sort pervers claim action consid holi observ christian potenti danger for individu christian identifi larri overack llo shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live articl atho rutger edu kevxu cunyvm bitnet write isn origen cite prestigi propon reincarn christian thinker view and relat christian scriptur appear believ that had view condemn conciliar action condemn idea reincarn condemn doctrin pre exist soul birth similar not exactli thing larri overack shell lawrenc overack shell oil compani inform center houston llo shell
soc.religion.christian	question hell articl atho rutger edu wytten umn umn edu dale wyttenbach write basi idea hell place etern suffer biblic refer train thought god earth manufactur heavenli be logic that yield and amount wast yield heaven and wast burn destroi hell punish wast destroi luke talk rich man and lazaru matthew talk etern fire prepar for devil and angel revel and refer thi fire place unbeliev thrown matthew talk thrown into etern fire and fire hell quit clear that thi place fire burn forev revel passag clear that devil and angel will torment forev matthew passag doesn abundantli clear whether punish unbeliev everlast sens final sens continu dale question come suggest that hell short accept altern live forev sourc life peac and joi unbeliev ceas exist punish continu greater motiv avoid defin that hell want avoid exact natur two main question dale thought god main plan earth continu punish part hell oppos simpli destroi complet refus god that god main plan genuin relationship peopl natur hell and reason for natur lot difficult ascertain clear that hell avoid minimum hell state noth god bibl not awar discuss specif hell gener hot unpleas and torment for instanc not discuss rich man can continu stai fire and feel discomfort pain whether point pain sens abil burn you can forgiv graphic you throw physic bodi into fire assum person start aliv fairli quick point nerv destroi and pain longer sens not state occur judgement unbeliev physic dead cast into hell longer physic bodi can feel physic pain sens continu that hell forev god lazaru rich man parabl told idea listen physic term order point that peopl won listen god even rise dead point parabl reach hard heart not listen fact resurrect gospel jesu christ reason draw parabl that hell not even remot pleasant peter white disclaim written necessarili reflect view compani phil want christ and power resurrect and fellowship share niv suffer death
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu carlson larc nasa gov ann carlson write think gai and christian not compat check digniti integr light presbyterian church affirm mcc church etc meet gai christian find prai discuss scriptur and form your opinion you start your religion thi fine scriptur basi for your statement fact get heart problem you you scriptur your faith driven feel goodism and not word god nice peopl doesn make you can start church you want and won chang fact that wrong that not impli that gai don deserv love and forgiv that call behavior nice peopl baseless and offer satan perfect place work check suspect ann suggest that you whether spirit aliv not whether nice peopl for nice clh
soc.religion.christian	defend faith confer enclos advertis for defend faith confer held franciscan univers steubenvil ohio june attend dtf iii last year and plan thi year recommend highli cathol interest apologet will lot music cathol speaker fellowship eucharist liturgi fridai and sundai registr per person financi aid you hous resid hall each bless sacrament chapel desir person for doubl occup for two night total reserv can made for you nearbi holidai inn night for singl room meal cafeteria fridai dinner sundai lunch for breakfast franciscan univers steubenvil locat eastern ohio rout mile west ohio river and ohio rout greater pittsburgh intern airport hour mile campu feel free mail you question can answer agenda type friend mine fridai afternoon special reflect lewi preliminari session walter hooper walter hooper foremost intern expert write lewi serv secretari lewi and sinc edit lewi literari work for public walter ordain priest church england serv oxford england enter cathol church fridai even open session search truth find full faith bishop fabian bruskewitz your rite kimberli hahn saturdai morn apologet mean never you karl keat lewi signpost cathol church walter hooper mass bishop bruskewitz celebr rai ryland homilist saturdai afternoon mysteri feminin exclud priesthood alic von hildebrand men make father masculin and male priesthood peter kreeft saturdai even cathol hear gospel thoma howard cathol gospel not save sinner scott hahn sundai morn place rome pilgrimag two protest pastor panel mass rai ryland celebr michael scanlan tor homilist that appear cathol answer defend faith confer cathol church teach you june time chang major cathol doctrin misunderstood and attack never believ reason cathol church teach pope urg readi give defens for hope that you peter grab your notebook and readi for unforgett spiritu and intellectu weekend thi year confer will candidli confront hardest question and object cathol faith deepen your understand church teach scott and kimberli hahn thoma howard karl keat alic von hildebrand peter kreeft and rai ryland cut throught confus and doubt and equip give defens for hope that you join defend faith fourth seri annual confer design strengthen life cathol and interest cathol faith can you you call toll free todai franciscan univers tent steubenvil steubenvil ohio steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	daili vers you author trampl snake and scorpion and overcom power enemi noth will harm you luke
soc.religion.christian	love morn malcolm smith ministri begin includ messag teach brought you behalf malcolm smith ministri ministri dedic lead believ into knowledg love god you info ministri and comment whether you found thi teach benefici mail randi hunt rlhunt hou amoco love morn psalm malcolm smith mose wrote thi prayer weari time histori israel gener time write peopl israel had stood kadesh gatewai canaan and made fate choic god refus adventur faith god canaan homeland promis god honor decis and wander desert mile land promis buri sand young decis maker that fate dai twenti and thirti year and destin dead forti year bleach bone desert time seventi eighti live wander had unend sad mose describ end each year sigh fact that knew give month die underscor meaningless exist height success reach heap bleach bone forti year live that depress hopeless disbelief joshua and caleb had stood nation kadesh and had god promis dai enter land forti year period final draw end gener children kadesh 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compass and lovingkind exodu word lovingkind not understood human kind love speak kind relationship aris make coven can understood love that will never leav you forsak you lovingkind tenaci british bulldog world walk thi love dig heel and refus leav and not human romant love base feel and root emot love coven commit and oper quit apart feel god love not emot that waver dai dai total commit seek highest and and bring fullest potenti human god not good and beauti arous feel love not woo and fall love that case ugli sin thing reject love and love not not love commit pursu blind allei and bypath foolish will not love that not for can commit love that search for opportun give recipi for long live for you god reveal man scriptur and final jesu come and death and resurrect god lovingkind love and will never leav forsak tragic believ never love power will come faith miracl miracl point and that faith spring heart israel not god lovingkind act power mose knew wai kind god and love that had for 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soc.religion.christian	mercuri refer fundamentalist christian parent articl atho rutger edu dan ingr rose aros write mondai morn edit san jose mercuri new articl sandra gonzal top page explain convict killer david edwin mason troubl childhood rais oakland and san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parent mason beaten child instanc child abus delet san jose mercuri new come articl start rais oakland mexican parent mason beaten face red anger injustic mexican famili member and mexican commun that open biggotri thi practic and encourag san jose mercuri new point christian commun perhap connect that not mexican variant you bring that not extrem fundamentalist christian us excus teach children biblic moral justifi thi sort mistreat not mexican mexican heritag excus for abus thi judgement control legal fundamentalist christian that led reject that branch faith not true gospel christ gospel love thi sort thing even amoung rel relationship judgement lead overli strict and abus disciplin children thi not restrict christian fundament found extrem sect legalist religion can good christian continu purchas newspap and bui advertis thi kind newspap thi bad journal christian not condon us bibl justifi thi sort abus that expos horror misappl biblic concept disciplin that such abus can stop christian not mean identifi eith thi sort sin made public sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanlei friesen elsegundoca ncr
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti articl atho rutger edu you write fear orthodox theologian overli love paradox extent that mean peopl flat confus problem thing and part aspect mode god you accept econom trinitarian that you don substant differ standard view that you don find neo platon explan illumin clh put stronger that nonsens simpli put not that platon essenc real exist essenc platon sens not refer can imaginari concept invent provid explan for thing explain wai attribut essenc god attribut that not exist orthodox platon formul leav uniti god limbo sinc base exist essenc fail avoid problem suppos address uniti god primari and trialiti secondari modal aspectu relat role mode interact sinc mean god sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanlei friesen elsegundoca ncr can read augustin consist your comment trinit influenti west defin distinct person relation you extrem orthodox view not your view incompat triniti clh
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid articl atho rutger edu hub ucsb edu david goggin write your comment question that mind lot moral ethic appli dream and bodi incid dave you read book florenc bull god you rich entic doctrin discuss oob chapter bibl exampl men caught spirit ezekiel paul that thi experi counterfeit satan that for exampl yoga and eastern medatit techniqu can us induc soul leav bodi and float sell book lo angel airport entitl easi journei planet such techniqu occult tranc medium sometim involv such bodi departur book challang counterfeit medium get save tell author last tranc attack evil spirit kill return bodi end seanc interest christian and supernatur protect lord similar mind alter drug and phenomena trip regard connect bodi and soul interest vers ecclesiast passag talk ag preacher write man etern home and mourner street rememb silver cord sever understand thi silver cord that that attach bodi and soul manner somewhat similar umbil cord astronaut air line spaceship person bodi thi silver cord attach soul whereev and vulner broken astral project can danger bull report case yogi oob found dead apart appar extern barnei resson run and fro knowledg increas daniel
soc.religion.christian	christian reform belong fact christian reform church two major heir dutch reform tradit reform church america crc spinoff rca unclear refer exactli differ clh
soc.religion.christian	baptism requir faith aaron aaron bryce cardena aaronc athena mit edu write aaron colossian you circumcis aaron put sin natur not circumcis aaron christ buri baptism and rais aaron your faith power god rais aaron dead aaron baptism rais life christ roman aaron person faith power god parent aaron faith cannot thi infant faith aaron bibl and believ sin for thrown into sea larg millston ti neck mark children come and not hinder for kingdom god belong such you truth will not receiv kingdom god child will never enter colossian passag not make faith requir for baptism that baptism born regener and resurrect faith case infant that baptism work faith heart infant power word colossian passag make baptism spiritu circumcis circumcis mean male infant made part god coven israel command perform eighth dai earli church understood thi and even debat whether baptism had perform eighth dai fact earlier aaron roman not israelit accept good aaron new for isaiah lord believ messag aaron faith come hear messag and aaron messag heard word christ aaron receiv god gift faith hear aaron messag gospel and gospel sure preach infant adult baptism real sens sacrament gospel made tangibl aaron faith respons hear aaron god word preach kid not spiritu aaron intellectu emotion matur respond aaron god word you not matur faith you thi basi god word your reason faith describ gift god ephesian faith infant adult power gospel roman aaron you read ezekiel you will that god doesn aaron hold guilti for sin can aaron origin guilt adam you show that you don understand origin sin you argu straw man you talk cathol don origin sin not consist god imput adam guilt consist inherit adam sin natur actual sin for exampl augsburg confess articl and apolog augsburg confess articl and for extra credit john knox scot confess articl iii aaron that background aaron origin sin not biblic aaron scriptur us support aaron roman sin enter world aaron man and death sin and thi death aaron men sin thi question infant die infant baptism not valid christian church centuri almost baptism perform infant luther melancthon calvin zwingli hu knox andra and chemnitz christian aaron psalm sure sin birth sin time aaron mother conceiv aaron thi psalm wonder exampl humbl aaron ourselv god repent for sin david aaron man god heart and wrote psalm aaron commit adultri bathsheba and murder husband aaron that david that can rememb time aaron wasn sin humbl god aaron confess sin that sin aaron birth hyperbol bibl inspir god isn aaron limit liter interpet figur aaron speech jesu john for anoth exampl aaron hyperbol luke you liter and not liter interpret manifestli absurd psalm reason direct contradict clear passag word god you compar genesi lord smell pleas aroma and heart never will curs ground man even inclin heart evil childhood aaron aaron that grow and becom wiser luke and aaron implic that jesu wrong thing child aaron knew choos wrong you long prove thi monstrou assert you can that jesu grew wisdom and statur conclus that wrong child base extrapol reason not direct revel scriptur david wagner mad reason rush and confession lutheran baptism not dazzl work regard worthless martin luther larg catech fourth part baptism
soc.religion.christian	soc religion christian anni dozier dozier utkux utk edu wrote read post thi newsgroup for past month becom appar that thi group primarili activ liber cathol ager and athiest chang name soc religion perhap even soc religion heck don flame cathol gai and vote for bill clinton your side sinc conserv protest time religion believ exclus francis christian christian and divers and contenti tradit and thi group reflect that divers not readi conced group liber conserv cathol protest orthodox charismat not claim that truth and not christian revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	question arthur clark quot comment know you hang morn concentr man mind wonderfulli sourc comment samuel johnson pardon you knew that
soc.religion.christian	soc religion christian articl atho rutger edu dozier utkux utk edu anni dozier write read post thi newsgroup for past month becom appar that thi group primarili activ liber cathol ager and athiest chang name soc religion perhap even soc religion heck don flame cathol gai and vote for bill clinton your side sentiment exactli unsub thi group thi christian discuss list belong and onc chase strife anger discont li paul saul come preach christ and crucifi don simpl beauti faith god overshadow headi theolog discuss thousand line post incarn trap church for atheist agnost read thi list you aren christian and you intent earth you wast your time and mine particip christian discuss list will continu search for christian discuss prayer spirit fill kind humbl patient etc circl sheila patterson cit technic support group ccc cornel univers ithaca afraid that discuss group contain peopl view turn into argument largest differ present talk religion misc spend lot time christian atheist argument soc religion christian spend lot time argument christian group and bitnet cathol group spend lot time argument conserv and liber cathol person prefer set somewhat special group altern liber and conserv protest and cathol handl traffic signific group orthodox that reader argument find pain moder clh
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin muddmj wkuvx bitnet write haven sin and come short glori god roman that cite thi scriptur claim that even babe requir baptism neglect that sin not imput law roman capabl comprehend god law not account for live book life and not remov can make consciou decis disobei god idler babi not suppos baptis doesn bibl never come and peopl that wrong taught can baptis christ solemli assur you can enter god kingdom born water and spirit not surpris that you you begotten thi born origin sin presum you quot john king jame bibl man born water and spirit cannot enter into kingdom god john man adult thi quibbl translat can analyz lord address marvel not that thee born john jesu direct remark nicodemu ruler jew not child can ourselv lord even introduc concept spiritu birth baptism newborn babi weren free sin idler yup john man not origin translat can enter nrsv jesu address person place deal children mention post clh
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live articl atho rutger edu kevxu cunyvm bitnet it thi essenti discuss reincarn context christian gerri palo made comparison asian religi belief thi topic simplifi asian idea karma point misrepresent realiz that gener problem scrutini asian point view discuss detail for purpos thi newsgroup and thread and thi newsgroup risk oversimpli ficat main purpos emphas that not come buddhist hindu point view you observ main context that christian mean add comment and correct you find wrote longer repli address your point decid not post perhap for soc religion eastern add coupl item karma and reincarn matter anthroposoph and christian point view karma not simpl reward and punish dealt judg deiti reincarn not born reincarn not resurrect bodi reincarn and karma not contradict fundament teach christian god fall incarn death and resurrect christ come sin grace forgiv salvat and last judgement isn origen cite prestigi propon reincarn christian thinker view and relat christian scriptur jack carrol origen work lost not anathemat knowledg write come larg fragment and quotat enemi perhap can comment origen don specif statement reincarn hold teach form anoth don histori idea reincarn church heard interest stori pope john paul astronom teach univers cracow pope like poland for scientif confer coupl year can relax and talk polish friend and fellow countrymen acquaint anthroposophist relat fact that woitila knew steiner and anthroposophi earli dai priest actor dramat compani cracow leader pupil steiner and base act and direct method steiner indic part work studi basic work anthroposophi thi confer year ago astronom and anoth polish anthroposophist thought pope thought anthroposophi chicken last minut thought reincarn pope smile and quit good cathol believ reincarn and proceed name earliest time modern time chang subject polish friend not whether origen mention gerri palo compuserv origen not anathemat controversi avoid outright condemn lifetim view condemn council alexandria and two council constantinopl and fairli preexist soul doctrin condemn clh
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ dhammer pacif david hammerslag you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that resurrect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt footnot bibl refer thi vers book tobit tobit septuagint goodspe publish book call apocrypha bookstor will thi rate jew christ dai had thi book stori center son tobit name tobia young ladi sarah had enter bridal chamber brother success brother di chamber consum marriag tobia entitl sarah for wife tobia rel and destin for tobia begin tobia wife and consum marriag husband not partner heaven that not elimin tobia eighth husband tobit fun and interest stori read kind mythic romanc shorter esther ld scriptur that parallel and amplifi luke notabl doctrin and coven man marri wife world and marri not word and coven long world and coven and marriag not forc dead and world not bound law world world marri marriag appoint angel heaven angel minist servant minist for worthi and exceed and etern weight glori cordial charl dike
soc.religion.christian	kingdom theologi recent understood term kingdom theologi mean theologi kingdom god discov that and special mean gather that call dominion theologi and that belief that christian creat theocrat form govern earth christ will come not come across believ advoc thi told that widespread belief usa can give inform question teach denomin and start public that propag organ that propag steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu muddmj wkuvx bitnet write capabl comprehend god law not account for live book life and not remov can make consciou decis disobei god idler babi not suppos baptis doesn bibl never come and peopl that wrong taught can baptis christ solemli assur you can enter god kingdom born water and spirit not surpris that you you begotten thi born origin sin earlier discuss thi thread impress that even children didn requir baptism wouldn hurt contrari you baptiz children capabl comprehend you deni opportun demonstr desir serv god you consid that children not account for sin not capabl repent peter group men and brethren repent and baptiz you act notic that that repent baptiz peter instruct peopl demonstr repent forsak sin and desir obei god command elig baptiz sinc young children not capabl repent not elig for baptism and sinc god and merci sin not imput law roman young children not account for can comprehend idler
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin articl atho rutger edu mdw uxa cso uiuc edu michael walker write feel baptism thi parent baptiz babi that babi sanctifi grace baptism and remov origin sin soul event unexpect death you michael john jesu amen amen you can enter kingdom god born water and spirit that and meant that vers definit baptism don law book front canon law that urg parent baptiz children week birth for reason that you state randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu
soc.religion.christian	hate sin scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent context discuss christian and homosexu context isn that import question whether that statement consist christian not grate for scott reflect thi oft quot phrase remind scriptur sourc for rom doesn count kid manner thi piec convent wisdom appli experi uniformli hate and destruct billh
soc.religion.christian	public privat revel question virgin mari marti helgesen write alleg privat revel attract suffici attent church investig investig likelihood that alleg privat revel fact god will approv that mean that can preach church true that requir that god cathol free deni authent even attest and strongli approv privat revel such fatima and lourd suspect that cathol reject fatima and lourd reject not mean not orthodox cathol good stand bit that cathol free deni happen fatima that bit strong sort that cathol free deni that hong kong exist cathol free deni truth fatima call heret you can label thing for such offens not heret theologian make basic distinct degre assent give event fatima and lourd thing reveal god jesu christ apostl assent due revel god total and unswerv fatima and lourd demand assent attest event human histori perhap bit approv church approv apparit church princip mean that happen harmoni cathol faith person privat revel lord tell period histori gave doctrin etc year ago can us know exactli appli gave cathol devot sacr heart result seri apparit margaret mari alacoqu for exampl problem time extrem moral rigor that turn lord into heart fatima apparit warn impend crisi church live and save soul such situat
soc.religion.christian	bibl immacul concept articl atho rutger edu jek nih gov write will put enmiti you serpent and woman and your seed and seed can read crush your head and you bruis heel genesi hebrew genesi gender masculin crush your head and you bruis heel latin feminin form accid grammar adequ explan jerom translat genesi latin feminin don sinc hebrew masculin scholarli treatment thi puzzl hear you
soc.religion.christian	baptism requir faith aaron bryce cardena write roman not israelit accept good new for isaiah lord believ messag faith come hear messag and messag heard word christ receiv god gift faith hear messag gospel faith respons hear god word preach kid not spiritu intellectu emotion matur respond god word cannot faith and cannot rais baptism life cathol view effect baptism slightli differ and that primari reason baptiz babi that baptism produc chang soul babi quit independ volit act part babi thi chang babi soul infant capabl that not baptism sinc infant not us intellect and will faculti dormant child get older gift baptism come and into plai ezekiel soul sin will die son will not share guilt father will father share guilt son righteous righteou man will credit and wicked wick will charg you read ezekiel you will that god doesn hold guilti for sin can origin guilt adam adam number gift god chief cathol call sanctifi grace testament word us for thi chariti sin adam lost thi grace didn lose for lost for human race onc lost couldn pass descend that cathol baptiz babi origin sin adam lost sanctifi grace for descend christ institut baptism give back babi not punish for person simpli lack order enter heaven
soc.religion.christian	definit christian simplist like fact that christian not believ god believ god name extern identifi preach christ and crucifi pai price rebeliion and shortcom god god thi son beliv scott dittman email sdittman wlu edu univers registrar talk fax washington and lee univers snail mail lexington virginia good thing for christian follow definit bit hard appli clh
soc.religion.christian	definit christian articl atho rutger edu clh write into discuss christian number definit start broadest commonli us definit level attempt give broad doctrin definit includ major strand christian exclud group that felt histor christian thi slipperi enterpris sinc cathol argu that protest histor christian etc commonli accept definit base nicen creed and formula chalcedon you you want includ chalcedon presum that you mean descript jesu fulli human and fulli devin almost major copt and armenian and jacobit christian for centuri maintain that disagre formula chalcedon that wouldn christian like object that commun don requir person commit jesu tangenti relat formula chalcedon john kolassa kolassa bio bst rochest edu understand recent discuss copt for practic purpos accept chalcedon talk natur two issu terminolog substanc clh
soc.religion.christian	accept jeesu your heart articl apr geneva rutger edu johnsd rpi edu write articl geneva rutger edu seanna bnr seanna watson write deletia recoveri program etc you show that such thing spiritu that show that spirit soul whatnot exist god not import that can feel that debat cross purpos that not fundament assumpt and thi perhap make answer orthogon your question will perhap you that noth exist object observ and provabl thing that case cannot show you that such thing spirit spiritu thing not exist realm object realm subject otoh you you can simpli explicitli assum spirit exist and show that and that handl you can assum god exist that will plai assum you mean alcohol anonym and not alt atheism not that handl spiritu that and step program peopl come term that facilit recoveri and that part recoveri recogn spiritu and begin reli higher power step term fill substanc abus had accustom object proof ident alcohol and recov fulfil spiritu and and extern compar differ talk virtual infinit complex peopl god compon your spiritu trueli not understand sound spirit that fulfil god can mask wai drug etc thi case you can leav god describ problem not solut spiritu defin thing that peopl addit physic requir air food sleep etc thing for love and accept and for mean life deni exist spiritu thing call emot reason christian call spiritu that aspect that not fulfil spiritu mean person love and accept peopl and meaning thing for love can satisfi love god problem that peopl accept exist and peopl reject sinc absolut truth peopl and wrong possibl christian spiritu god not realiz that god delud haven recogn christian wrong spiritu artefact brain chemic adjust and properli integr person not such thing christian simpli concept god and spiritu mask inadequaci hate belabour point exist spirit and spiritu cannot object demonstr proven exist god cannot and thi mean that risk that subject evid manufactur brain chemic hand ventur into solips and that risk that that object manufactur brain chemic suspect thi unsatisfactori answer request for evid and demonstr exist spirit and spiritu assert that such thing not object demonstr christian side agnostic push fenc subject evid and not rais christian not case simpli accept indoctrin seanna watson bell northern research prai that end live seanna bnr ottawa ontario canada philosophi and creed god will find peopl busi opinion opinion opinion plant tree and sow seed not bnr mine knew left fred kaan
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach poram ihlpb att write count apocrapha fall short glori god quot unger bibl dictionari apocrapha abound histor and geograph inaccuraci and anachron teach doctrin fals and foster practic varianc sacr scriptur resort literari type and displai artifici subject matter and style keep sacr scriptur lack distinct element give genuin scriptur divin charact such prophet power and poetic and religi feel point obviou highli subject issu hard press point anoth book for that matter that doesn issu fail test second factor deuterocanon share late composit don recal exact date book not written latest canon book daniel deuterocanon not origin written greek deepli hellenist natur featur figur heavili reject book canon not strict and uniformli applic criteria judg canon book discuss shown thing can that pure object standard for determin canon nichael and funcal smurfi smile icon predic lisp sy honk
soc.religion.christian	long text act variant text moder post thi week ago never show local net thi post fill free flush thi copi andrew cmu edu andrew byler english translat long recens act apostl can found english translat thi can found act apostl translat codex beza introduct lucan origin and import wilson london anoth work that act apostl critic edit introduct and note select passag albert clark oxford reprint thi edit text act that make assumpt that text codex beza authent don contain english translat not anoth that discuss variant detail theolog tendenc codex beza cantabrigiensi act eldon epp cambridg recent refer found edit french earli can suppli refer interest work difficult find you interest examin differ long recens excel and easili obtain discuss can found textual commentari greek bruce metzger unit bibl societi metzger book serv companion volum ub edit greek contain discuss reason that decis each variant read includ ub note addit read includ atcotgnt major occur act introduct section act metzger write attempt made set reader full report english translat addit and modif that attest western wit sinc apparatu text volum care suppli adequ conspectu evid that support diverg read understand that earli codex vaticanu and siniaticu thi version act interest differ long and short form copi text act that includ vaticanu and siniaticu adher pretti close shorter alexandrian version longer version you refer call western version and main wit codex beza althought fragmentari sourc size differ that clark edit mention book act contain word text edit westcott and hort typic alexandrian text contain word differ answer obviou question major revel longer text major omiss shorter text main differ expans detail western text you prefer contract alexandrian western text detail interest specif case thi not place into detail discuss year version authent hot and heavi approach modern consensu that text repres pure authent version each variant read examin merit iii variant alexandrian text not
soc.religion.christian	jacob and esau jek nih gov write wrote that apostl paul roman speak god choos jacob esau and add that thi not result that child had sinc had not born understand that roman written jacob love esau hate refer not two individu offspr tribe jacob and tribe esau obadiah for exampl fact you scan you will find similar refer two tribe aaron cardena aaronc athena mit edu
soc.religion.christian	ten command ten discours discuss sabbath folk across that complet and thought offer for comment thi state observ declar statement and can comment basic observ that phrase ten command us mose not refer refer ten distinct discours that phrase ten command accur translat ten discours passag call ten command not complet convinc that true for purpos discuss argu argument support idea aren ten command order command you two vers and vers not support such divis not worship god that vers command god and vers command not worship idol mention vers you can violat vers violat vers indic that passag command and leav command length thi for stop thi summari ten speech begin tradit ten command and god mose two tablet ten command discours written break ten follow and case each passag begin variat phrase and lord spoke mose except begin ordin you set word translat command phrase ten command isn word for command word for speech utter word us for longer discours individu statement for instanc combin word yom dai thi word translat chronicl such phrase rest act and not written chronicl word for command freeli us book mose and perhap signific that mose spoke ten appear avoid word for command and chosen word associ discours longer singl command god tell mose that give stone tablet law and command not give mose tablet finish ten discours mount sinai ten command not immedi clear god wait dai and discours give tablet mose hand ten discours written tablet make perfect sens that god not give mose tablet had finish deliv ten discours mose tablet found that tablet written side ten command vers god had written larg letter not that couldn like that thi refer two tablet contain ten discours written normal size letter cor paul specif singl command written stone ministri death that fade and ministri condemn except command sabbath difficult paul refer command temporari fade type command thi problem stone tablet happen includ command argument thi idea main argument thi idea fact that contradict long stand tradit that mose quot command word lord spoke and ad and wrote two tablet stone and gave thi appear identifi word quot content two stone tablet that impress thought note that great deal hing you understand phrase word mose meant word relat you spoken god etc that mean that tradit ten command stone tablet mose make parenthet comment word tell you spoken god etc that quit note that account mose tell stone tablet tell peopl ask mose repres god exodu account peopl ask thi mose and second discours dai god gave mose stone tablet thi reinforc idea that mose remark intend parenthet remark strictli chronolog account god wrote and point stop ad tablet summari thing consid find somewhat like that command mose regard ten discours god don espous thi idea brand lean accept interest hear comment and critic care offer mark
soc.religion.christian	daili vers and not set your heart you will eat drink not worri luke
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu dhammer pacif david hammerslag write thi paragraph brought mind question you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that ressurect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt that point david spirit separ bodi and live spirit world cannot undergo ordin marriag cannot baptiz sinc physic bodi baptiz perform ordin proxi for behalf for ask brook brook haderli brh ca org wise can columbu ucon jacob opinion not necessarili reflect employ
soc.religion.christian	homosexu repli post that christian homosexu judg maintain that not judg that homosexu wrong responc post and make gener sterotyp evalu peopl respond side christian and homosexu compat admitedli not homosexu that mail responc don make sterotyp assumpt group peopl sinc ask oppos veiw point will peopl made wild assumpt put don resourc and even revert name call you don thi acur represent you homosexu christian show diffrenc christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	homosexu recent mail mention technic messeng aren even human can case homosexu even rape jude refer sodom meaning context sodomit lust for flesh angel applic homosexu behavior gener posit gai christian large speciou angel flesh feel that thi that lust men flesh thi world opinon thi haven heard thi vers christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	hell april stephen mcintyr write spend etern hell besid god heaven know that even man spend etern life scorch for wrongdo stephen suspect that you and us word hell concept mind you encount refer heaven term crown and harp and golden street trust that you not suppos suspect christian suppos that golden street liter that concept heaven you suppos that fire hell you read atla shrug you rememb last descript jame taggart sit floor besid ferri persuad thi come close descript meant hell circl imag fire us thi connect two reason that occur reason that convei idea hell that ration earnestli avoid ration avoid fate jame taggart imag meaning read atla shrug smaller audienc plai match second reason histori hebrew word gehenna word translat hell testament refer vallei hinnon jerusalem earli dai place canaanit offer human sacrific burn aliv molech made garbag refus dump fire burn continu consum trash citi jerusalem cast into gehenna burn gehenna metaphor for reject discard worthless you that identifi hell fate jame taggart privat fanci commend you book great divorc lewi discuss heaven harp and hell flame shorter atla shrug and bookstor and librari jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	hate sin interest point bibl doesn hate sin tell avoid sin resist sin even denounc sin not hate michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi passag talk god peopl god approv hate sin action talk hate sinner passag that talk hate evil didn turn thi search word hate kjv crosscheck each passag nrsv prov isa amo zec rev clh
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic thi respons request for biblic refer satan fallen angel clh isaiah common read thi passag that refer king babylon mytholog languag iron claim clh
soc.religion.christian	christian crisi hank hanegraaff christian crisi hank hanegraaff controversi for sake controversi sin controversi for sake truth divin command walter martin walter martin person select hank hanegraaff succe presid christian research institut largest evangel counter cult organ world thi skill care treatment explos subject hanegraaff document and examin belief word faith movement compromis and confus essenti histor christian faith for time thi larg and influenti movement legitim label cultic thi book hanegraaff discuss such leader word faith movement kenyon and twelv apostl anoth gospel gal kenneth hagin kenneth copeland benni hinn frederick price john avanzini robert tilton marilyn hickei paul david yonggi cho charl capp jerri savel morri cerullo and paul and jan crouch book harvest hous publish and christian book store you can order hard back copi cri for call and avoid retail mark up christian research journal quarterli public cri articl recent issu releas call wrong word faith movement thi good articl that will inform you each teacher and tide you your book arriv you interest receiv journal you can order cri number for year sourc accur and research info christiandom todai discuss book and thi post peopl content for peopl decid whether worth read clh
soc.religion.christian	baptism requir faith articl atho rutger edu aaronc athena mit edu aaron bryce cardena write colossian you circumcis put sin natur not circumcis christ buri baptism and rais your faith power god rais dead baptism rais life christ roman person faith power god parent faith cannot thi infant faith bibl don issu whether infant faith relev not can exampl john utero prove find translat col odd term circumcis christ kjv and rsv put term christ cricumcis union particip put bodi sin flesh perhap cor divid act burial baptism can independ faith experi rise christ faith faith thi interpret advantag explain faithlessli baptiz for baptisim not benefit serv put into kingdom nonetheless israelit children includ baptiz cloud and sea advantag not add baptism faith and obedi baptism not impart faith strictli speak basi faith parent covcen promis god impart grace grace kingdom can punish disguis apostaci roman not israelit accept good new for isaiah lord believ messag faith come hear messag and messag heard word christ receiv god gift faith hear messag gospel faith respons hear god word preach kid not spiritu intellectu emotion matur respond god word cannot faith and cannot rais baptism life you teach child prai lord prayer you expect not steal can faith condit and coven longer lord for greatest heb you read ezekiel you will that god doesn hold guilti for sin can origin guilt adam ezekiel god will not hold innoc basi els innocens jesu not feder head adam that ezekiel talk you make ezekiel contradict second commandemnt ezekiel rid offens you committ and heart and spirit will you die hous israel for pleasur death declar sovereign lord repent and live god repent and heart and spirit kid cannot thi act that repent and baptiz will receiv spirit holi spirit live ezekiel that thi heart will god context sprinkl water baptism action god pute into order and not question person faith such roman sin enter world man and death sin and thi death men sin sin and death enter world man sin death each man each man sin note that good read roman vers easier misunderstand read context will that basic thing such death that sin not person death dead state originb sin coven death adam feder head gave dominion devil and death psalm sure sin birth sin time mother conceiv thi psalm wonder exampl humbl ourselv god repent for sin david man god heart and wrote psalm commit adultri bathsheba and murder husband that david that can rememb time wasn sin humbl god confess sin that sin birth hyperbol bibl inspir god isn limit liter interpet figur speech jesu john for anoth exampl hyperbol luke thi psalm figur languag not hyperbol and not necessarili impli not hyperbol languag thi psalm like refer symbol cleanli law make intercours and childbrith act cau uncleann and seper god psalm languag ritual hyssop cleans burnt offer etc david sin bathsheba includ thi element not ritual cleans symbol ritual truth that sin pass generation that organ gener had cut that brith unclean unclean death and babi born dead and need wash new life baptism todai paul duggan
soc.religion.christian	hate sin articl atho rutger edu scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate beget hate never love sin leav unnam sinc don want thi digress into argument whether not sin let appli hate sin philosophi and happen hate sin stronger hatr will becom eventu thi hate becom strong that becom disgust sinner and eventu come hate sinner you can certaili assert thi don necessarili case can hate stai and not beget disgust and start hate sinner admit thi happen donlt you can necessaili can not hate perfect hatr summari law christ command love god and love neighbor doesn hate fact command save critic for ourselv christian suppos deal sin suppos that deal sin ourselv prayer love even enemi amo hate evil and love good thi can contradict christ teach tie hate and love emot attitud consid object sure don fly into rage sin can not hate paul duggan
soc.religion.christian	crowd pilat post april disast instanc judgement god histori andi byler spoke desir jerusalem mob crucifi lord that blood vera noy repli will not comment for fear heavili flame invit and interest parti read comment thi vers scriptur obtain send messag choos barabba listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inr asu edu put briefli that signific demand jerusalem crowd greatli misunderstood christian and anti christian reader jame kiefer you send email that address content messag singl line contain command subject line appar asuvm clh
soc.religion.christian	triniti jame green write can describ triniti simpl declar sentenc that common mean offer attempt essai larg indebt attempt two and obtain send messag triniti analog listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inr asu edu second coupl book dorothi sayer plai call zeal thy hous and fiction book call mind maker plai can found book sacr plai and collect includ call religi drama meridian book and call plai book mere christian lewi last section call person fourth book call theologi for beginn roman cathol writer frank sheed will that not find sheed approach altogeth satisfi person mind respect jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	christian crisi hank hanegraaff articl atho rutger edu yfn ysu edu frank decenso write read thi import book your feel frank wish contend not answer time thousand job frank read coupl time and that excel christiandom need thi book for time suggest that christian read hank print time harvest hous print for print and sold week second print and christian book store wait list you can order directli cri toni
soc.religion.christian	hate sin articl atho rutger edu scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent context discuss christian and homosexu context isn that import question whether that statement consist christian not hate beget hate never love sin leav unnam sinc don want thi digress into argument whether not sin let appli hate sin philosophi and happen hate sin stronger hatr will becom eventu thi hate becom strong that becom disgust sinner and eventu come hate sinner addit hatr sin and thing person sinner not even sin thi sinner begin hate don love for constant critic behavior hate build and drive peopl god thi cannot good build love don agre can speak for good friend lifestyl sin hate thing and hate absolut not fact tell repeatedli that friend world care despit fact that hate live life easi fall into progress you describ felt friend onc import part christian that you overlook and make love sin hate sinner life and sin and disgust righteous contradictori christian and make progress you describ happen christian can truthfulli quot paul and wretch man that roman nasb that christian will love sinner and hate sin attitud pharise thee that not men luke nasb will hate scott brandei god demonstr lord bless you and you love for that lord make face shine you sinner and graciou you christ di for lord lift counten you and give you peac roman nasb number nasb
soc.religion.christian	thought deuterocanon like not that john whomev wrote book revel consid scriptur not thing you and hold hand revel almost written durin reign domit argu that sin accept peter scriptur sinc ad book composit revel told add noth back and look hunch peter like written revel almost written odd gospel john written date for luke and act thi footnot inform american bibl translat come across regard give complet histor inform each book mike folk you argu almost not accept peter pseudonym that case date earlier thi clh
soc.religion.christian	thought deuterocanon mdw uxa cso uiuc edu michael walker write time recent thi list last dai heard passag revel add sacr word thi book remov word thi book feel thi ridicul for two reason good reason delet take translat thi book rev mean scriptur like hold that violat thi command even wors that not add word command you diminish deut rip page bibl begin joshua revel idler
soc.religion.christian	goedel and ontolog argument fred gilham ask whether true that goedel wrote version ontolog argument for exist god true publish rebutt point flaw argument and recent professor anthoni anderson philosophi depart univers minnesota written revis version argument perhap free flaw and rate free flaw complain origin version copi last week for and surfac can suppli particular guess that publish journal symbol logic jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	definit christian articl atho rutger edu autri magellan stloui sgi larri autri write enrol histori christian colleg loui teacher class close mind and bigot subject definit christian definit ti directli that triniti and cathol church definit and belief jesu christ not suffici call christian you call triniti and cathol church definit precis result christian get togeth and find accept answer your question christian can you object historian belief agre and you call close mind bigot you you mean belief jesu christ not word that suffici describ christian muslim jesu christ prophet and not incarn son god follow eastern religion quit happi that jesu incarn god larg number histor and mythic figur perhap you rephras your question and precis tradit definit christian hand univers church you object regard unnecessari for christian matthew huntbach
soc.religion.christian	dispos bless palm proper dispos bless palm bunch that hold addit mom give us give uncl burn and leav ash seep into ground buri add compost bin advanc toni
soc.religion.christian	arsenokoitai bailei boswel continu deyoung articl survei interpret arsenokoitai bailei bailei perhap trailblaz assess mean arsenokoitai take term cor denot male activ engag homosexu act contrast malakoi effemin engag passiv such act insist that paul knew noth invers inherit trait inher condit due psycholog glandular and regard homosexu practic evid pervers bailei limit term refer paul work act alon and lament modern translat term homosexu bailei distinguish homosexu condit moral neutral and homosexu practic ital sourc paul precis terminolog and moffatt translat sodomit repres paul mean bailei judgment bailei deni that homosexu condit biblic writer boswel influenti studi arsenokoitai contemporari author that john boswel usual translat thi term explicitli implicitli activ sens boswel passiv sens extend discuss term cite linguist evid and common sens support conclus that word mean male sexual agent activ male prostitut argument that arseno part word adjectiv not object koitai refer base sexual activ term boswel design male sexual person male prostitut acknowledg that interpret composit term activ mean sleep make bed men boswel base interpret linguist and histor set argu that compound such paidomath child learner paido subject manthano and such paidoporo child pass paido subject object simpli modifi verbal signific point that each compound individu analyz for mean directli maintain that compound attic form arreno emploi object hellenist arseno us adject admit except thi distinct arreno boswel appeal latin time drauci exoleti male prostitut men women object greek arsenokoitai equival latin drauci passiv parakoitai li besid boswel affirm claim that arsenokoitai explicit word paul for male prostitut sinc paul time attic word porno fornic and porneuon commit fornic found lxx had adopt refer men resort femal prostitut simpli commit fornic absenc term pagan writer such herodotu plato aristotl and plutarch and jewish writer philo and josephu boswel find even convinc evid for affirm that arsenokoitai not connot homosexu even sodomit time paul demonstr absenc pseudo lucian sextu empiricu and libaniu subsequ find lack discuss homosexu relat christian sourc greek includ didach tatian justin martyr eusebiu clement alexandria gregori nyssa and john chrysostom chrysostom singl for omiss final proof that word not mean homosexu boswel appeal omiss text cor and tim discuss homosexu latin church father cite tertullian arnobiu lactantiu and augustin last name circumlocut latin writer includ ausoniu cyprian and minuciu felix term lack state and church legisl sixth centuri term confus and appli varieti sexual activ child molest anal intercours husband and wife survei sourc boswel conclud reason that arsenokoitai malakoi connot homosexu time paul for centuri thereaft and reason suppos that mean not determin christian opinion moral homosexu act clear that boswel defin arsenokoitai refer male prostitut even conclud that paul not disapprov gai inclin gai relationship endur love person gender sex erotic bailei homosexu and western christian tradit london boswel christian social toler and homosexu chicago tranlat tim kjv that defil mankind asv abus men nasb homosexu rsv nkjv nrsv sodomit neb niv pervert gnb sexual pervert cor occur kjv abus mankind asv abus men nasb rsv homosexu nkjv sodomit neb homosexu persvers rsv and neb deriv translat two greek word malakoi and arsenokoitai gbn homosexu pervert nrsv two word male prostitut text and sodomit footnot activ idea predomin comment primari assumpt boswel christian thi word paul for male prostitut for not occur literatur prior paul serach thesauru lingua graeca ibycuc confirm paul coin term prior histori and such discuss lack usag contemporari christian and christian literatur meaningless thi expect paul coin word kei phrase appar discussoin for boswel admit that occur quot paul discuss context implic that cannot writer polycarp philippian theophilu autolycum nilu epistularum libri quattuor cyril alexandria homilia diversa sybillin oravl meant polycarp disipl hohn apostl and di argu context that young men pure term pornoi malakoi and arsenokoitai paul list thi make boswel us subject appar clement alexandria paedogogu sromata belong eusebiu demonstraioni evangelica boswel misrepres fact chrysostom us arsenokoitai and form vice list cor tim beg question deni that word can mean homosexu chrysostom mean arsenokoitai goal and studi whether list discuss boswel admit that chrysostom almost identicl form arsenokoito commentari cor boswel suggest that passag strang that paul seek make refin arsenokoitai appar jerom signific omiss sinc render arsenokoitai masculorum concubitor almost exactli greek footnot bailei homosexu and western christian tradit london boswel christian social toler and homosexu chicago tranlat tim kjv that defil mankind asv abus men nasb homosexu rsv nkjv nrsv sodomit neb niv pervert gnb sexual pervert cor occur kjv abus mankind asv abus men nasb rsv homosexu nkjv sodomit neb homosexu persvers rsv and neb deriv translat two greek word malakoi and arsenokoitai gbn homosexu pervert nrsv two word male prostitut text and sodomit footnot activ idea predomin comment primari assumpt boswel christian thi word paul for male prostitut for not occur literatur prior paul serach thesauru lingua graeca ibycuc confirm paul coin term prior histori and such discuss lack usag contemporari christian and christian literatur meaningless thi expect paul coin word kei phrase appar discussoin for boswel admit that occur quot paul discuss context implic that cannot writer polycarp philippian theophilu autolycum nilu epistularum libri quattuor cyril alexandria homilia diversa sybillin oravl meant polycarp disipl hohn apostl and di argu context that young men pure term pornoi malakoi and arsenokoitai paul list thi make boswel us subject appar clement alexandria paedogogu sromata belong eusebiu demonstraioni evangelica boswel misrepres fact chrysostom us arsenokoitai and form vice list cor tim beg question deni that word can mean homosexu chrysostom mean arsenokoitai goal and studi whether list discuss boswel admit that chrysostom almost identicl form arsenokoito commentari cor boswel suggest that passag strang that paul seek make refin arsenokoitai appar jerom signific omiss sinc render arsenokoitai masculorum concubitor almost exactli greek scrogg
soc.religion.christian	bernadett date jek nih gov write joe moor write mari that time appear girl name bernadett lourd refer immacul concept sinc year know doctrin apparit deem true and seal case for doctrin bernadett year had vision year dogma had offici proclaim pope jame kiefer forgot exactli ag rememb that born famili poverti and not educ whatsoev ag apparit suffer asthma that ag and and famili live prison cell sort had ladi time apparit name sinc confessor priest ask for instanc priest not answer sinc bernadett not receiv time apparit pass ladi final immacul concept bernadett happi and repeat word and mind not forget told priest ask told priest priest shock and ask bernadett you you talk bernadett not exactli meant happi answer for priest priest continu you rememb thi you not bernadett answer honestli that had repeat and mind priest priest knew dogma year bernadett not and had answer priest final observ and proof authent person revel ladi bernadett note thi ladi lourd shrine spring water ladi request bernadett dig bare hand front pilgrim start water flow year water flow marida spread god word action mother teresa
soc.religion.christian	daili vers king jame compar thi previou version niv whoso hearkeneth dwell safe and quiet fear evil proverb
soc.religion.christian	christian crisi bit listserv christia zane write facn saupm bitnet zane dhahan newsgroup bit listserv christia subject christian crisi date wed frank for great scriptur vers pleasur read repli you zane zane noth that will will chang your mind you book question for you mean you caught word faith thing that you read book you rescu error and pain that will result your christian life repli christian enter into word faith movement easi wasn ground word god and sound doctrin visit christian book store cheapest book find bui and book hagin and began receiv hagin monthli magazin and send and copeland wasn read booklet jimmi swaggart call hyper faith gnostic that began realiz teach partak error start read bibl and studi jimmi point part experi alert christian christian that teach heret and berean act check teach scriptur brother law involv word faith cult area leader real good friend benni hinn into detail thi suffic deceiv mistreat and fallen into atheism prai for phil assist pastor church teach adult sundai school follow copeland for year thousand tape faith teacher class recent quot teacher heret statement surpris sinc talk length issu leader women group church benni hinn fan recent found that lend good morn holi spirit women church that prompt quot sundai school lend cic peopl church awar abus and heresi perpetr thi movement and urgenc heart and life warn peopl heresi heresi jesu sin natur devil and jesu death cross wasn aton jesu drag hell death beat and abus satan and demon finish aton satan rule jesu born hell jesu di spiritu lost divin and reassum resurrect god heresi document will provid teach request zane for you prevent you and join word faith movement you contempl join for long that you read book you save that repli wasn christian crisi that help booklet swaggart that mention cic tremend document and insight zane don nice scriptur answer for profit for christian engag thi type activ heresi hunt repli you call heresi hunt hunt impli isn readili access thi movement fastest grow movement christendom hagin sold million book and booklet hinn sold book last coupl year swindol and dobson combin fred price largest church term seat capac usa doesn sound hunt need scriptur expos doctrin error gave vers you can epistl written due error doctrin practic church earli church had numer council expos error and heresi not thing rememb luther zane point that histor hunt heret end caus bigger mess heret thi document opinion repli you can provid document appreci read ephesian esp vss and and disun and immatur bodi eph till come uniti faith and knowledg son god perfect man measur statur full christ that longer children toss and fro and carri wind doctrin trickeri men cun crafti deceit plot disun contrari popular opinion isn caus expos error caus error zane give place for scriptur document spiritu develop growth writer suggest that fieri paul letter galatian mellow and matur into lose for sake love end repli scholar paul wrote timothi last examin admonit tim ascertain mellow had becom hold fast pattern sound word you heard faith and love christ jesu that good thing commit you holi spirit dwell thi you that asia turn phygellu and hermogen dilig present approv god worker not asham rightli divid word truth shun profan and idl babbl for will increas ungodli and messag will spread cancer hymenaeu and philetu thi sort strai truth that resurrect past and overthrow faith and servant lord not quarrel gentl teach patient humil correct opposit god perhap will grant repent that truth and that come sens and escap snare devil captiv will for thi sort creep into household and make captiv gullibl women load sin led lust learn and never come knowledg truth jann and jambr resist mose resist truth men corrupt mind disapprov faith will progress for folli will manifest and desir live godli christ jesu will suffer persecut evil men and impostor will grow wors and wors deceiv and deceiv you continu thing you learn and assur know you learn and that childhood you holi scriptur make you wise for salvat faith christ jesu scriptur inspir god and profit for doctrin for reproof for correct for instruct righteous that man god complet equip for good work preach word readi season and season convinc rebuk exhort longsuff and teach for time will come will not endur sound doctrin desir itch ear will heap for teacher and will turn ear truth and turn fabl you watch thing endur afflict work evangelist fulfil your ministri alexand coppersmith harm lord repai work you bewar for greatli resist word zane pictur paul not destroi ministri wolv teach sheep tear necess absolut not allow transform into wolv protect repli act testifi you thi dai that innoc blood men for not shun declar you counsel god heed and flock holi spirit made you overs shepherd church god purchas blood for thi that departur savag wolv will come you not spare flock men will rise speak pervers thing draw discipl watch and rememb that for year not ceas warn night and dai tear zane for warn paul note that never onc drop name wolf will admit cri beard end abandon asia wasn repli paul mention name thi charg commit you son timothi propheci previous made you that you wage good warfar faith and good conscienc reject faith suffer shipwreck hymenaeu and alexand deliv satan that learn not blasphem thi you that asia turn phygellu and hermogen shun profan and idl babbl for will increas ungodli and messag will spread cancer hymenaeu and philetu thi sort strai truth that resurrect past and overthrow faith for dema forsaken love thi present world and depart for thessalonica crescen for galatia titu for dalmatia alexand coppersmith harm lord repai work you bewar for greatli resist word john wrote church diotreph love preemin not receiv come will call mind deed prate malici word and not content that not receiv brethren and forbid put church jesu singl teach and doctrin rev thing you you hold doctrin balaam taught balak put stumbl block children israel eat thing sacrif idol and commit sexual immor you hold doctrin nicolaitan thing hate repent will come you quickli and will fight sword mouth rev nevertheless thing you you that woman jezebel call prophetess teach and seduc servant commit sexual immor and eat thing sacrif idol and gave time repent sexual immor and not repent will cast into sickb and commit adulteri into great tribul repent deed will kill children death and church that search mind and heart and will give each you your work zane question purpos write book and build ministri fault deliber wander desert eat locust and honei bare cake worldli good stake monei made reput maintain question motiv consciou repli won comment thi deal intang motiv even had bad motiv rememb paul phi preach christ even envi and strife and good will preach christ selfish ambit not sincer suppos add afflict chain love know that appoint for defens gospel that whether pretens truth christ preach and thi rejoic and will rejoic zane want true admonit scriptur you list protect ourselv and flock wolv and wind doctrin suggest start allow wolf program noetic pastur nail cross repli explain zane secondli suggest heresi hunt restrict fellowship strict scriptur sens local citi church repli heresi not propag mass media not need mass media exposur heresi taught not copeland church hagin hinn price radio print etc pastor church leader materi sheep feed church imper that leadership made awar thi and cic that examin passag scriptur eph and gave apostl prophet evangelist and pastor and teacher eph for equip saint for work ministri for edifi bodi christ ministri gift that lord instal church not for individu church for bodi christ paul apostl travel distil messag teacher for thi reason timothi you belov and faith son lord will remind you wai christ teach church god distribut each lord call each walk and ordain church and god appoint church apostl second prophet teacher that miracl gift heal help administr varieti tongu eph till come uniti faith and knowledg son god perfect man measur statur full christ notic that fold ministri till church uniti faith and knowledg son god perfect man thi will not occur fulli lord jesu return cor god bodi continu matur hinder matur and uniti bodi eph that longer children toss and fro and carri wind doctrin trickeri men cun crafti deceit plot clear that fals doctrin integr into church trickeri men disun thing strive for and spiritu immatur church continu spiritu childhood christian toss and fro and carri wind doctrin fold ministri not clear scriptur denomin boundari pastor respons for individu flock deal doctrin struggl equip bodi believ call thi degre jud belov dilig write you common salvat found write you exhort you contend earnestli for faith onc for deliv saint for men crept unnot long ago mark for thi condemn ungodli men turn grace god into lewd and deni lord god and lord jesu christ zane you notic scriptur heresi hunter that church church and area area bad gui and good gui paul consid arch heret repli heret discredit paul preach contrari taught zane face wolv for reason and for reason and hope wolv becom sheep and sheep lamb repli and servant lord not quarrel gentl teach patient humil correct opposit god perhap will grant repent that truth and that come sens and escap snare devil captiv will amen frank wish contend not answer time thousand job
soc.religion.christian	christian and holi thing ezek god upset priest made differ holi and profan thi brought mind sermon heard recent speaker god second name not begin refer us god holi name and titl swear word remind experi mose burn bush god told your sandal for place you stand holi ground and text impli that god peopl treat holi thing differ common thing make differ holi and common thing obviou question make holi and christian primarili suppos make thi differ holi and common thing god name holi spirit holi bibl etc dariu
soc.religion.christian	daili vers listen will live safeti and eas fear harm proverb
soc.religion.christian	capit punish prism gatech edu randal lee nichola mandock write draft univers catech procur common good societi aris that aggressor posit cannot harm virtu thi and oblig public author punish proportion penalti includ death penalti acknowledg degre that mean death penalti and militari oper suffici peac violent provis prefer proport and keep final goal protect peac and human digniti exactli read that sentenc degre that mean death penalti and militari oper suffici peac violent provis prefer don that for murder crimin peac church unit state feel reason that cathol church oppos execut thi countri recent memori shown thi excerpt church teach capit punish remain todai past total accord sentiment that not disagre us deadli forc case for thi option justifi justifi you state explicitli catech justifi case peac sinc that not appli thi countri logic conclus base your premis that oppos form capit punish america opinion mike walker univ illinoi
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu mail server write can that vers not address issu coupl not requir incred pervers interpret order condemn homosexu care comment fact that fornic will not inherit kingdom god thi appli homosexu understand fornic sex marriag thi accur definit such thing sex marriag bibl understand that testament bless sexual intercours husband and wife will listen scriptur evid contrari thing thi liter forbid women speak church paul led holi spirit human and err find interest that christ never discuss issu homosexu exist back and transgress christ condemn find disturb that modern church spend energi stamp that christ didn worth singl word condemn christ repeatedli warn judgement don risk judgement equal measur condemn peopl god not judg walk earth love christ contagi not that reader fact advoc forbid women speak church thi issu discuss past and not interest redo clh
soc.religion.christian	hate sin scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent context discuss christian and homosexu context isn that import question whether that statement consist christian not hate beget hate never love sin leav unnam sinc don want thi digress into argument whether not sin let appli hate sin philosophi and happen hate sin stronger hatr will becom eventu thi hate becom strong that becom disgust sinner and eventu come hate sinner addit hatr sin and that assumpt your part your proof that will degener into hate sinner hate sin remind civil right movement america true that individu hate propon racism true that individu hate segreg and discrimin heart and never degener into hate individu practic king messag thi love individu love individu transform into friend thi not hatr for segreg hatr for injustic summari law christ command love god and love neighbor doesn hate fact command save critic for ourselv christian suppos deal sin suppos that deal sin ourselv prayer god sin and love love can conquer sin hatr place love prai for john baptist practic love critic jewish leader dai jesu practic love threw moneychang templ distas for sin order fight ourselv readi for call god call sin name jesu love call sin name true that love for guid step walk true that sometim love for god call stand for truth competit law jungl cooper law civil eldridg cleaver sherman cox scox uahc uah edu
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic ask biblic support for imag satan fallen angel rev and enoch cite clh vers luke that jesu satan fall heaven that don bibl front quot directli pretti obviou refer satan expuls justin refer luke context passag make that jesu refer satan defeat jesu mission previou fall heaven clh
soc.religion.christian	thi ethic publish rocki mountain new guess real ethic problem practic thi church understand that baptism overrid factor understand that thi not honest proce thi typic congreg second come perceiv approach real element dispar thi make happen cost style theologi trust lord fit into thi equat baptism draw parent ir children church carniv spring told kill bee sting didn submit religi rite dick foster rocki mountain new southern bureau colorado spring outrag parent children lure church carniv and baptix permiss baptist minist doxen children young year and unaccompani parent thought carniv cornerston baptist church big water fight free balloon squirt gun and candi that carniv children whisk into room for religi instruct and told baptiz case consent famili not baptist faith baptism church anger parent includ paulett lamontagn methodist and mother twin year girl baptiz knowledg consent understnad carniv feel that fals pretens lamontagn daughter minist told kill bee sting not baptiz cornerston church offici defend action instruct word god and god command baptiz convert can show passag bibl that parent permiss requir child baptiz dan irwin associ pastor cornerston baptist church church offici not parent children baptiz didn irwin parent felt simpli send children carniv invit children friend member cornerston church polic chhurch offici had broken law baptiz children parent pursu civil action aren behavior condemn hari krishna and cult issu complex newspap account mention not that parent consent absolut requir thi extrem difficult clear command obei parent older child insist baptiz parent consent will thi step and warrant care discuss problem find not parent consent that consent whether you infant baptism not baptism suppos sign entri into christian commun isn commit whether parent child and intent becom part church baptism appear lie like rais practic problem child baptist tradit reach ag decis expect make decis and baptiz church claim baptist church rebapt answer good not rob experi that signific faith clh
soc.religion.christian	hate sin scott prism gatech edu scott holt subject hate sin date gmt hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent question whether that statement consist christian not hate beget hate never love you question whether not hate sin consist christian you scriptur roman love hypocrisi hate evil cling good that paul inspir holi spirit call hate god call that eventu lead hate fellow man command opposit love your fellow man sin let appli hate sin philosophi and happen hate sin stronger hatr will becom eventu thi hate becom strong that becom disgust sinner and eventu come hate sinner that not experi not found hate result hate sin that life sinner find compass for person jesu sinc bibl teach that tempt that compass tempt and fall jesu exampl hate sin love sinner account woman caught adulteri john jesu had compass woman call leav life sin thi mean love sinner hate sin mean love uncondition time call leav sin addit hatr sin and thing person sinner not even sin blame for thi can not laid feet christian and guilti take offens point sin and call repent not unlov for christian call sin fact love thing that that person love want spare consequ remain sin thi sinner begin hate don love for constant critic behavior hate build and drive peopl god thi cannot good build love don that you can lai blame for thi feet christian love jesu love sinner exemplifi john and sinner hate for can will extend perfect express love and will reject hate sin forget love sinner will ourselv sin summari law christ command love god and love neighbor doesn hate encourag you word studi hate testament that you will surpris fact command save critic for ourselv critic call sinner repent hope thi help christ toni balsamo name antonio balsamo compani digit equip corp shrewsburi mass work mail balsamo stargl enet dec
soc.religion.christian	definit christian articl atho rutger edu autri magellan stloui sgi larri autri write subject definit christian definit ti directli that triniti and cathol church definit and belief jesu christ not suffici call christian common definit christian basic definit that us belief that jesu god incarn belief that jesu crucifi and rais dead for salvat accept jesu person lord and savior thi includ christian denomin exclud unitarian sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanlei friesen elsegundoca ncr
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept quot remov name not clear name level quot clh and holi mari virgin invari ad for that holi woman remain undefil epiphanu salami panacea heresi for lord jesu not chosen born virgin had judg that incontin taint birthplac bodi lord home etern king seed human intercours pope siriciu letter anysiu bishop thessalonica basi exampl that joe moor wrong claim augustin prime mover sin sex view quot equat sexual defil and incontin even marriag relationship not appli mari marriag joseph joe assign reason concept perpetu virgin mari support quot sarima teradata tdatirv sarima stanlei friesen elsegundoca ncr
soc.religion.christian	vers divis wonder answer trivial question think process us divid bibl into vers jerom divid testament never discuss thi arbitrari oppos for exampl make each sentenc vers
soc.religion.christian	hate sin scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent question whether that statement consist christian not hate beget hate never love summari law christ command love god and love neighbor doesn hate fact command save critic for ourselv scott dislik phrase hate sin love sinner definit articl part problem sinc give licens fixat brother peculiar pecadillo manag escap common grace hered econom situat cultur outrag evil cheap shot that don scott adequ explor flip side thi coin love righteous beatitud jesu bless hunger and thirst for righteous testament never behav activ desir and work for good that sens imposs remain dispassion evil and victim even accomplic mourn sin love sinner catch idea slightli hate slightli sinc grief impli passiv powerless posit balanc christian respons grief love and carefulli measur construct anger jesu european pietist wwii respons nazi atroc devoid anger not fare role model love grief exemplifi sister actress york and christian year back jack long time profession friend and benefactor di aid impoverish medic bill estrang famili and abandon surviv friend sister and brother law end grief jack death sister found quit target for anger callou bureaucraci rigid protect moral jack famili inertia christian respons aid and even jack laps moral that eventu cost life jack share that last anger brought strong christian valu contrit dallianc promiscu sex long aid appear impli moral judgement jack innat sexual orient hardest job make anger construct van kelli vek research att
soc.religion.christian	knight columbu initi ceremoni for knight ou almost secret that for mafia phase init and secret dale idqm indyvax iupui edu
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu djohnson ucsd edu darin johnson write import gai christian sex christian christian hope will forgo sex complet order avoid stumbl block avoid chanc that interpret wrong etc not not heterosexu abstain time nice protest church had celib order show world that sex not import thing life biblic argument homosexu weak christ quit clear oblig poor christian can demand celibaci homosexu walk homeless peopl and ignor plea for christ quit clear oblig poor thought for dai mat and beholdest thou mote that thy brother ey considerest not beam that thine ey wilt thou thy brother pull mote thine ey and behold beam thine ey love christ contagi mat woe you scribe and pharise hypocrit for white sepulchr beauti outward full dead men bone and unclean
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu write that import thing that wrote and testament passag cite not that scientif evid support that homosexu partli inher complet learn thi mean that extent great extent homosexu cannot choos feel basic concept christian moral that defect appetit due origin sin not homosexu not entitl indulg behavior bodi want clear distinct homosexu behavior wrong and homosexu orient not sin misfortun email repli respond thi public forum michael covington associ research scientist artifici intellig program mcovingt uga edu univers georgia phone athen georgia amateur radio tmi
soc.religion.christian	ero lxx conclud lexicograph note thi direct bibl studi begun read sinc earlier note post thi forum will conclud week ago manag find time consult septuagint concord and lxx text apparatu librari and can usefulli conclud greek word for love us christian background septuagint translat jewish scriptur princip result that cluster verbal noun erao erast mean lover thi cluster occur expect propeth imag and accus israel faithless spous yhwh vers question hosea jeremiah lament and ezekiel and hosea origin thi usag jeremiah and ezekiel pick lament depend not like written jeremiah erot mean allegor us not liter evid english you complement phrase art word lover overton sexual relationship surpris worthwhil that standard greek usag show translat hebrew interestingli and confirm guess that koin usag avoid verb erao homonymi ero eromai error codex vaticanu valuabl wit form erao us complet absurd context samuel mean addit and mention proverb esther verb natur applic kai rasth basileu esth and king love esther and interestingli samuel suppli modest degre support gai apprais relationship david and jonathan kai nathan huio saoul reito ton dauid sphodra and jonathan saul son love david intens bracket for subscript don reason ascii convent for relev thi gai issu not implicit histor fact that quasi offici translat hebrew text hellenist period make bone erot verb thi context quit gener usag agapao for erot sens thi not mean agapao alon mean disambigu relationship thi translat michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	earthquak predict articl atho rutger edu dan ingr rose aros write heart that citi portland oregon countri unit state america will hit catastroph and disastr earthquak that thi not come pass surpris surpris didn lose sleep and live mistak thi area costli and danger for greatest fear thi area god call prophet and misrepres god word call lost forev god word command peopl never listen fear word fals prophet bridg burnt forev perhap repent and save never prophet god suppos that that return death glori and power fly cloud host heaven lifetim stand and year such event assert god question that fals propheci you talk that make speaker fals prophet speak directli lord you declar sayeth lord for shadow doubt that correct spiritu condit and relationship lord receiv such propheci and absolut tiniest shadow doubt that possibl misl imagin hope gain recognit misl wile devil and follow uhh occur you that thing for tiniest shadow doubt that peopl thought delud check opinion can check extern realiti assert that belief entertain evid even despit evid special virtu faith luck and thi result time that christian give exampl honesti that stand contrast thi backdrop falsehood sayeth lord happen prai prayer answer prai christian mean dan you want demonstr christian honesti great start propheci can conclud speaker max
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian darin johnson djohnson ucsd edu wrote import gai christian sex christian christian hope will forgo sex complet order avoid stumbl block avoid chanc that interpret wrong etc not not heterosexu abstain time nice protest church had celib order show world that sex not import thing life differ that straight member choic abstain not and celibaci recogn gift gai told that condit accept celib don that god forc choic relationship god and express heterosexu context faith relationship that god that forc choic gai sex christian fals dichotomi truth gai church remind lot henri viii start church england order divorc thi myth note that not deni that gai christian christian for part gai church remind black start church not allow white church special restrict that not appli white member revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	odb catchi sai quot daili bread daili bread devot for spiritu growth can spend ten fifteen minut read daili portion scriptur and relat short articl that bring scriptur aliv appli todai societi end bottom thi articl collect sai daili bread ministri servic provid resourc for biblic commun free receiv literatur write and for contact address list below write radio bibl class copyright radio bibl class grand rapid michigan canada box windsor ontario australia box ryde nsw europ box carnforth lanc england africa box manzini swaziland africa pmb jo nigeria philippin box greenhil metro manila sai relat scriptur decemb januari februari issu daili bread god save sin forgiven forgotten forev roman life christ difficult hopeless ecclesiast sin cover that eventu bring psalm you not readi live you readi die act trust god power prevent panic isaiah bibl record man compet ruin sin and god compt remedi christ barnhous timothi jesu can chang foulest sinner into finest saint ephesian wit wit live act god dwell man that man dwell god philippian hurt person help hand not accus finger psalm you decid jesu determin your destini john sinner expect sinner come savior roman know that god see bring convict and cofid job god chasten not cruel correct hebrew you that good give god psalm man greatest goal give glori god peter god love love roman bread life can satisfi man spiritu hunger john conscienc can compass word god chart timothi salvat free you receiv isaiah not spiritu not spiritu timonti circumst not make man reveal made matthew make room for jesu your heart and will make room for you heaven matthew heaven choir sing heaven king save luke god highest gift awaken man deepest gratitud luke serv lord invest that pai etern dividend peter time misspent not live lost psalm measur love measur sacrific peter god requir faith god reward fruit luke you spend time determin you spend etern psalm you aim for noth you hit daniel christian futur bright promis god psalm christ savior bring peac god christ lord bring peac god colossian sampl word god never acquir tast for psalm drink water life will thirst forev revel hyprocrit person not sundai daniel life long short complet depend live for ecclesi god love you and love each corinthian quit genesi charact build thi world carri into matthew god send trial not impair improv corinthian marriag holi wedlock unholi deadlock corinthian adopt god grace adapt god us galatian children watch speak louder proverb union christ basi for uniti believ psalm your life that crowd christ your heart roman don bear tomorrow burden todai grace matthew prai depend god work depend you king convict noth prejudic galatian you veliev you will not understand augustin hebrew christ heaven path detour doom corinthian christian noth christian noth john buri seed god bring harvest isaiah textur etern woven loom time ecclesiast not god us corinthian avoid ly noth that conceal act god transform trial into bless surround love and grace chronicl confess your sin substitut for forsak psalm you shoot arrow envi you philippian vision etern doesn time ephesian abandon god will never abandon god psalm danger can come christian that god not nearer psalm man lai life lai fortun matthew god grace infinit love express infinit good philippian great thing for christ thing for roman you rob you you meant roman don pretend you don intend matthew meet god trial get psalm sinner escap god judgement god peopl point matthew not sin angri you angri sin john prepar for dark learn prai light samuel christian not thing thing ephesian truth and bewar lie and not care jeremiah true servant not live for genesi earthli good heav mine philippian good marriag requir determin marri for good genesi you for give your life gave life for you corinthian noth left god discov that god psalm god inth dark sure light peter peopl spend life complaint counter thessalonian creation man can god genesi reward end life life that never end ecclesi mark fed soul read bibl joshua god give proverb never earli receiv christ moment late luke god grace pace face corinthian come togeth begin keep togeth progress work togeth success corinthian give god burden song psalm thing you fear and death fear emerson corinthian conquer enemi strategi love matthew loneli unawar christian stai mind christ develop wonder calmplex
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu gchin ssf eng sun write that life death and resurrect jesu christ central christian you person that jesu christ di for you you part christian bodi believ human don homosexu heterosexu strive follow jesu world dy and hear jesu christ you work togeth christian spread gospel salut gari chin for speak gospel sourc life will follow exampl and accept prioriti christ command that weightier matter law justic and merci and good faith brother sister christ and will attend such person humil and chariti not end agre sibl don can talk michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	homosexu stop read homosexu post for repeat seemingli person attack post mail mail specif comment suggest and note that not name call etc that for read send mail copi file mention moder ragard exerget issu attempt ftp unabl christ love bryan
soc.religion.christian	word perfect ex file need friend mine manag copi computeris greek and hebrew lexicon call word perfect that not word process packag wordperfect wipe ex file and not restor distributor packag south africa email file email address fortmann superbowl und fortmann shrike und paul fortmann
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ dhammer pacif david hammerslag write thi paragraph brought mind question you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that ressurect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt short answer marriag record heaven for long answer doctrin and coven section chapter discuss etern marriag and plural marriag distinct seal priesthood and marriag reveal children thi world marri marriag receiv resurrect dead marri marriag luke jesu simpli teach that marriag death you part not forc death doctrin and coven continu describ etern marriag and verili you man marri wife word law and and everlast coven and seal holi spirit promis anoint thi power and kei thi priesthood shorten for breviti and full forc world and pass angel and god set exhalt and glori thing hath seal head glori ful and continu seed forev and lord told peter whatsoev thou shalt bind earth bound heaven matt you doubt that peter power perform seal peter thought taught that husband and wive heir togeth grace life peter order obtain highest degre celesti glori man enter into thi order priesthood man and wife seal becom flesh etern increas destini enjoin complet father etern companion and plural marriag condit law particip creation and equal concern progress scriptur basi for thi doctrin fact mention mother vers hymn written earli histori church father had learn call thee father thy spirit high kei knowledg restor knew not heav parent singl thought make reason stare truth reason truth etern tell mother don hear mother father presid priesthood author not call for don necessarili mother confus for worship father wish withhold name and titl peopl degrad sacr thing idler
soc.religion.christian	jame and sirach thursdai dave davi write lean sirach directli referenc jame job ruth vers you mention chapter and vers sirach and jame job taketh wise crafti quot corinthian jame you heard patienc job not quot impli that jame and listen familiar stori man name job exhibit exemplari patienc that stori not that found hebrew bibl anoth similar and relat stori problem direct quot matthew boaz begat ob ruth tell that matthew knew stori woman name ruth marri man call boaz and ancestor david sinc ruth not mention book ruth like that matthew familiar book and respect and thought ruth import women mention genealog refer thi not prove that writer consid sourc inspir inerr canon direct quot jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	certainti canon fridai marti helgesen wrote public revel basi cathol doctrin end death john last apostl noth can ad pope declar that depart christian heaven and invok public rite church understand that roman cathol that such declar pope infal possibl church receiv public revel sinc death for exampl joan arc church list death john had joan name public revel joan and roman cathol free doubt that di state grace even that histor charact jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	paul thorn side joe moor write paul repeatedli talk thorn side refer lust pride thorn appar not compat christian that make epistl paul mention thorn skolop sharp stake corinthian and elat abund revel thorn flesh messeng satan harass elat time besought lord thi that leav grace suffici for you for power made perfectr weak not explain not moral problem guess that paul had disord ey ordinarili dictat letter and ad person note and signatur end letter galatian write larg letter hand long letter written hand translat adopt that paul not write small script practic writer need make letter larger and thi suggest ey problem galatian you that bodili ailment that preach gospel you and condit trial you you not scorn despis receiv angel god for bear you wit that you pluck your ey and perhap thi last line mean simpli you for not withhold your preciou possess your ey that case expect word had need sound bodili ailment connect ey william barclai volum act make specif suggest paul preach highland galatia had preach coastal area asia minor had had malari attack doctor advis leav low countri and head for hill malaria sever headach and blur vision jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	word and hear christian due evangalist natur wit spread gospel etc want becom christian twenti word zero and will peac plastic had discuss evid recent that respond email clh
soc.religion.christian	mormon belief children born wedlock articl geneva rutger edu aaronc athena mit edu aaron bryce cardena write bruce webster write ld doctrin step and case hold parent respons for children sin fail bring properli bruce you reconcil thi practic ezekiel ezekiel soul sin will die son will not share guilt father will father share guilt son righteous righteou man will credit and wicked wick will charg parent held account for sin specif account for failur teach children properli fail teach children that steal wrong respons for theft indulg such behavior thi similar instruct ezekiel ez ezekiel fail duti and warn wick not wick die sin lord hold ezekiel respons similarli parent respons teach children wrong suspect christian and jew etc agre that parent thi respons
soc.religion.christian	daili vers word christ dwell you richli you teach and admonish anoth wisdom and you sing psalm hymn and spiritu song gratitud your heart god colossian remind vers intern version translat faith origin hebrew and greek vari time time vers sound occasion compar anoth translat origin text you god bless you chuck petch
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid sinc kid and learn dream us dream for fantasi work problem dream yell mom machin gun zombi not mention myriad sexual fantasi deliber thing that never real life understand control thought felt that dream format free moral ethic physic law sometim wake bathroom thi incorrect attitud weaken inhibit argu that thing system experienc dream analyz dream can determin problem situat dream will exager that can contempl and bother not can that peopl don silli attach moral signific dream that thi bodi experi never had contradict chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	reason and homophobia thi troubl for long time and dealt long articl individu thi newsgroup scriptur homosexu homophob will that gai and lesbian peopl engag love voluntari erot relat each aren even mention bibl thi frighten not homophob sens intellectu written homosexu church interpret homophob thi can disagr interpret bibl and reject homosexu act not tantamount homophobia ted kalivoda tedr athena uga edu univers georgia athen institut higher
soc.religion.christian	peter articl geneva rutger edu jek nih gov write sens statement anoth subject privat interpret reliabl historian that athenian lost pelopennesian war cannot simpli interpret thi want athenian win fact fact and not want anoth sens statement subject privat interpret that depend brain and experei decid mean and whether suffici attest merit assent even statement occur inspir write decid judgement whether fact inspir thi not arrog inescap fact two sens interpret and decis accept scriptur inspir ultim rest privat opinion read scriptur rememb that scriptur god for instruct and that interpret that matter god intend for exampl decid that fact that john baptist elijah teach doctrin reincarn wrong that not intend interpret prophet didn make thi teach god and accept such thi necessarili mean that privat interpret back seat mean god intend convei reli effort determin thi mean thi fact make recogn that privat interpret cannot automat accept infal interpret god test spirit god holi spirit speak thing won that passag mean thing and you mean anoth two come conflict conclus can complet interpret reliabl church agre scriptur mean thi doctrin triniti dual natur christ etc infal matter not for privat interpret thi reason peter talk decept fals teacher prefer privat interpret god teach apostl such privat interpret that tradit men soundli denounc scriptur start toni
soc.religion.christian	homosexu immor religi argument thi crosspost zillion group don intend carri entir discuss crosspost alt sex motiv fun argument thought reader interest discuss clh intend endeavor make argument that homosexu immor practic lifestyl you call intend show that basi for ration declar thi statement intend show that such declar can made religi justif for moral fact show that such standard can made atheist join fun take side that can make claim that homosexu not immor that collater moral valid practic free lot peopl don can ration base moral religion attach thi fun and figur thi and want and expos pun intend idea and peopl and idea stand not group interest thi discuss will post announc and think group doesn receiv alt sex and make except usual polici and set mail list automat distribut digest format receiv us that main forum for thi except usual polici that charg for thi for durat servic will charg address reachabl internet bitnet decid start thi dialog realiz larger audienc usenet internet smaller bb network give side time work scream anger thi will begin mondai give peopl want make respons time identifi anonym post accept sinc peopl not identifi side free thi interest abort debat
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write issu discern that satan convinc that god that god god peter teach don that god show partial nation fear and accept act revdak netcom fine point thi entir discuss that conserv reform christian thi start argument isn thi idea that homosexu fairli thi centuri support for thi viabl viewpoint thi centuri don don that homosexu accept your scriptur quotat doesn work for jeff adam
soc.religion.christian	christian and repeat live articl atho rutger edu athmail qub write singl angl bracket jesu talk apostl and pharise that messiah can come elijah come jesu repli that elijah come not recogn that apostl perceiv that referi john baptist thi impli reincarn thi popular belief judaism jesu time that elijah return had heaven chariot and not die jesu refer john baptist not sens that elijah reincarn john rememb elijah didn die that john similar prophet elijah question similar jesu indic john passag matthew direct luke report angel gabriel prophesi that john will christ power and spirit elia matthew jesu john and you care accept elijah come interest that jesu prepend word you care accept that implic thi truth rein carnat will not forc you for can accept jewish poster newsgroup jewish esoteric and topic outlin esoter cabbalist jewish teach reincarn and karma teach that jew todai appar widespread israel that hannah hurnard hind feet high place told rabbi convert back missionari palestin small number jew knew thi larg number peopl not statement jesu john greatest human person testament guard nevertheless quit direct subject reincarn anoth not subject testament fate gener human death and last judgement occasion indic that point for popular belief that elijah come popular belief jesu confirm place and never correct expect elijah for exampl thought that jesu gerri palo compuserv
soc.religion.christian	jacob and esau reincarn articl atho rutger edu jek nih gov write gerri palo wrote that noth christian that exclud theori success live wrote that apostl paul roman speak god choos jacob esau and add that thi not result that child had sinc had not born paul not that had had previou live suppos that reader will for had had previou live not make sens good bad sinc not born paul statement assert that that choic not matter karmic fulfil past fate man born blind john not question simplist idea karma machin that sole determin destini even eastern tradit not that knowledg poster point and fact that paul not reincarn not anoth even john baptist jesu emphat elijah matt not awar point ask interest that threefold denial question whether christ prophet isaiah elijah emphat case and weak add onc that import discuss passag that point directli teach repeat earth live anoth import time that subject revisit term larger view christian and christian doctrin for part accept reject central idea christian christian hold convict kind separ treasur that christian import understand bring bear and vice versa that central christian take dimens mean light repeat earth live direct bear issu frequent discuss thi newsgroup openli that develop view repeat earth live larg work rudolf steiner not that hold author pictur christian becom clearer light idea steiner that conscious reincar nation necessarili had fade that renew time time develop christ idea two millenia christ deed golgotha time becom import that receiv basic gospel salvat understand life and human can grow embrac signific thi idea for discuss thi newsgroup focu that can relat directli scriptur and fundament christian teach and tradit gerri palo compuserv
soc.religion.christian	tongu read person interest tongu question invit perus essai mine obtain send messag tongu notran listserv asuacad bitnet listserv asuvm inr asu edu jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin crep lateran uc indiana edu stephen crep write summar you accus origin poster not forbidden bibl that prove cannot disproven true you absolut read realiz that misunderstood apolog for question slaveri disagre slaveri time slaveri indentur servant not expect paul hint slave
soc.religion.christian	hyslop and two babylon articl geneva rutger edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write two babylon brought time for respond onc and that thi book junk noth that anti cathol tract sort publish sinc protest scholarship phoni and assert spuriou not thi book had peopl quot support tendenti assert make becom curiou don want malign thi hislop fellow heard argument second hand argument turn fals etymolog that deriv hislop interest know thing claim that word church deriv greek cyclo and that relat worship circ don hislop sourc thi assert base fals etymolog second claim etymolog relationship ishtar and easter even fanci and fetch wilder notion british israelit find easter deriv english name for april eosturmonath vener bede mention that thi associ goddess call eostr apart that refer not find that term easter us english and evangel german for exampl us term ostern germani evangel english missionari interest evid easter us for pascha peopl not kind connect ancient anglo saxon and offshoot such evid support claim deriv theori hislop steve hay depart missiolog editori depart univ south africa box pretoria south africa internet hayesstw risc unisa fidonet steve hay fidonet org faq missiolog studi christian mission and part faculti theologi unisa
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soc.religion.christian	boston moder articl geneva rutger edu rick granberri pt mot rick granberri write below won quot error articl not thing that differ opinion writer plain fact confus for exampl kip mckean ask come lexington church leader brought team had charleston that point had friend even leader gainesvil tell not peopl northeast weren open and wast time and talent thi fact kind insid joke point church boston not open point point not posit thing articl want point that contain misinform mark mark wuest opinion not mdw violin att sun mailtool mdw trumpet att mail
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian michael michael siemon ml panix write michael kind interpret incred pervers michael that appli stori sodom blanket michael equat homosexu behavior and rape sinc christian michael cite bibl such context presum michael read stori amount slander charg michael that homosexu rape us that and michael michael wrong slightli incendiari michael secondari argument phobic conting equat michael homosexu such behavior equat michael rape god messeng review sodom and gomorrah stori briefli state that visitor angel men part citi sodom young and surround hous call lot men you tonight bring that can sex for rest stori angel refer men sodom and lot men gen that lord had found sodom guilti grievou sin angel visit citi clear that grievou sin sodom and gomorrah involv homosexu sex appear that men had becom inflam lust that had group orgi public squar simpli extrem deprav not show that lesser degre homosexu not sin michael ultim understand god will for sexual come creation stori not sole stori sodom and gomorrah creat male and femal and institut marriag relationship male and femal man will leav father and mother and unit wife and will becom flesh thi marriag relationship sexual relationship god bless and sanction regul and protect marriag man and woman and even pictur relationship and church find not word bless regul for sexual relationship two men two women that find bibl sexual deriv express god will institut and bless marriag levit code jew forbad incest homosexu bestial ten command forbad adulteri and covet neighbor wife command forbad rape men sodom and gomorrah regard sexual immor and pervers jude abandon and pollut marriag relationship paul regard homosexu unnatur roman not thi simpli paul opinion contrari god purpos creat male and femal michael christian doubt sincer show michael and corner usenet and world and michael spout vers michael never thought never even read total michael ignor issu rais slander vilest michael charg child abus perfervid mind can michael manag conjur toss red her michael suppos great emot forc reader dismiss michael wit even take troubl find michael you respons slander slander david wagner dai sure draw confession lutheran god son annoint great majesti judg appoint mirth and laughter ceas flame flame will increas scriptur teacheth ist gewisslich der zeit bartholomaeu ringwaldt
soc.religion.christian	hyslop and two babylon articl geneva rutger edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write two babylon brought scholarship phoni and assert spuriou wingat you dig charl hislop scholarship accept bristish orient institut time premer institut for orient studi state and check refer print privat librari and like wilkerson and layard hold merit conclus and you will troubl you will find that knowledg mysteri surpass highli honor british orient museum wilkerson lead archeologist histori egyptiolog and layard refer two yr archeolog mesopotamian region recent refer time articl babylonian archeolog phoni scholarship you review refer and find that misquot misrepres conclus hislop not conclus not tickl ear that evid assert that conclus spuriou merit gave refer conclus and state for last year us conclus debat seminari and brotherhood not mention individu priest and bishop that talk counter hislop scholarship made rebutt conclus total undermin claim rcc show that intitut rcc base mysteri shown even thi dai articl and topic tongu movement corinth direct result mysteri enter into church corinth not influenc rome citi hill you not listen conclus you can draw your conclus custom artifact cerimoni dress docrin purgatori etc vantag mysteri you don even believ parallel exampl mitr come shape two tail that hang back repres thi ancient head dress earlier cultur and rome time begin church state rome pagan histori and rcc chose lai person middl eastern religion can answer question even scriptur refer hislop collect inform sourc and put bind lack scholorship that you discredit thi man your accus present evid support rex
soc.religion.christian	athiest and hell articl geneva rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write articl atho rutger edu ptrei bistromath mitr org peter trei write articl atho rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write delet point todai mason note that worship osiri egypt delet bug thi kind nonsens reason evid link masonri ancient egypt even that exist prior late centuri and noth definit cut rex rambl bit you not past your level you read wilkinson egyptian and show thi egyptian religion parallel british masonri man thi laboratori degre black mason talk public side motorcyl mania and children hospit and priviat side that highest degre mason learn rex liter hundr thousand degre mason thi countri and thousand rd nasti stuff don you you coupl disgruntl member expos heck you true rev norman vincent peal osiri worship long quot name hislop sourc not delet attempt extract relev point osiri nimrod babylonian deiti admit that secret system free masonri origin found mysteri egyptian isi goddess mother wife osiri babylonian nimrod and osiri connect build trade masonri nimrod son cush negro isn thi refer biblic nimrod babylonian god tradit egypt record plutarch that osiri black long tradit masonri claim ancient lineag for order flimsiest ground thi date back constitut cite adam mason claim place masonri roman greek and egyptian and atlantean even book claim prove that stoneheng origin mason templ claim prove noth beef rex claim mason show leopard skin wore lodg represent osiri show wear leopard check thi tomb paint rememb don show thi interest that druid britian show hide thi represent worship spot cow can you give ancient citat for thi druid suppress year ago your point thi leopard skin busi sound bizarr not scottish rite contain higher degre anti mason excit and invent peopl and good christian that reject your claim stand statement masonri mysteri religion that find sourc babylon great harlot peter not mean cold slap face not slap face weari feel deja similar argument soc cultur african american evid contrari that masonri doesn find origin egypt mason person talk refer egypt origin don you read book mason histori such hamil craft you separ thi not year ago freeli admit honest you can come actual evid that masonri exist prior impress earlier pretti good rex peter trei ptrei mitr org disclaim not speak for employ
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu write that import thing that wrote and testament passag cite not that scientif evid support that homosexu partli inher complet learn note that scientif evid thi area not prove conclus evid suggest that part homosexu brain heterosexu that prove notic that apostl not scientif evid link gene alcohol steal genet problem even scientif evid doubt stop commun teach holi spirit that thing sin thi remind convers professor mine true christian teach that not give inclin peopl give lean christian concept struggl flesh and bring into submiss person problem temper and murder heart anoth problem homosexu anoth inclin greed god offer opportun conquer sourc you can find thi inform homosexu behavior record monkei and anim suggest that inher learn that word unnatur shouldn appli prei manti bite head mate mate natur for woman thing husband bibl concern human moral and touch anim moral relat human link hudson
soc.religion.christian	teenag pick church parent don attend teenag freedom choos church friend teenag kid not church left sleep that not option complain that friend that don attempt make friend mention not respect sundai school teacher and find miss sundai school make church servic parent disgust add never end battl can ruin your dai you had thi problem and resolv
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu ml panix michael siemon write notic that vers forbid bestial immedi follow vers prohibit appear homosexu intercours absolut irrelev and incompar issu gai christian rais concern sexual activ commit consensu human adult realtionship that your bring relev law kashrut you cannot address actual issu you bloodi dishonest trail thi red her front world relev homosexu act and act beastial topic arang togeth law thi import want that thi command homosexu deal templ prostitut and you agre that proof for thi law reveal charact god and holi and good written testament commit homosexu act biggot address thi passag scriptur discuss scriptur that involv consensu human adult relationship isn that border sophistri point make that god not ordain kind sex act not bring scriptur us and emot argument that compar homosexu beastophil and child molestor issu deal that sex act ungodli not problem love nonlust relationship member sex and issu hand sin sex member sex lust forbidden sex act valid topic for convers and idea that relationship emot relationship adult human red her agre that for adult care relationship anoth link hudson
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl geneva rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write manifest spirit gentil that convinc peter act that prejudic base scriptur add not accord god intent point that command not eat fellowship gentil not found testament thi part hedg built law part peter tradit and not scriptur link hudson
soc.religion.christian	goedel ontolog proof fred gilham ask whether true that kurt goedel wrote version ontolog argument for exist god not publish will publish oxford univers press german and english translat volum due thi fall collect work meanwhil you can find summari perhap thing articl jordan howard sobel call goedel ontolog proof book and edit judith jarvi thompson publish mit press professor anthoni anderson philosophi depart univers minnesota written articl emend goedel ontolog proof appear magazin faith and philosophi discuss object that critic rais goedel proof and offer revis version proof that not vulner object jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian geneva rutger edu djohnson ucsd edu darin johnson write import gai christian sex christian afraid that question tendenti rephras import christian love god love human be conceiv answer that deepli suspici flavor christian elev claus great command prioriti such claim conflict true told dead buri dead hate famili christ dichotomi not love fellow and love god allow social construct blind presens god satan twist love god such manner becom excus treat level caught love god troubl come relat human love and human sex sometim case that church taught that sex nasti evil sin stuff man and wife leav parent home becom helpmat live flesh sex that vehicl flesh you doubt read paul wrong frequent prostitut provoc mean thi sexual bond deepli found aspect social interact and foundat institut marriag that unlik mammal human male remain and foster children beget and support children mother thi schema genesi and jesu citat that passag observ that not human male fact describ anoth thing that character human societi rais begotten children not orphan and adopte and product quit common infidel human spous thi not uniqu anim world full extent social consequ and implic intric for sometim wrong infect sin and you find marri coupl bond and peopl deliri addict initi stage sexual bond format infatu fall love phase that break form bond order step threshold deep uniti god prepar for and step back satan us sex handi tool corrupt human love eden creation that not natur and god grace power christ make thing not problem for christian vigil even christ devil watch prowl roar lion seek devour return origin question import straight christian sex christian paul tend that sex distract christian charit context expect parousia that hard task marri union lifelong build and adapt each undercut proper prepar for eschaton sinc not hour return act instant readi for that and commiti mate that propos long lifetim togeth and tell peopl not bond such perspect strike crippl second claus command love claim that saint capac deepli love sexual ting complic mind you fellow human be had deepli spiritu life marri union grow togeth flesh and that mean type case persist and continu sexual relationship human and good come mortifi flesh point pretend pretend not sexual be christian hope will forgo sex complet order avoid stumbl block depend context that context major hypocrisi part find stumbl block mind effac that can pontif sin peopl for life celibaci spritual gift and even victori troubl sexual urg that lead sin noth read demean such gift even rarer gift love for conspecif and for god creation that can develop full tutor spousal helpmat marriag found sex differ spiritu gift and penanc tell peopl that gift fraught manipul and disregard differ spiritu endow god person gift speak toungu anoth intepret toungu anoth propheci and anoth teach notion that gift requir earliest heresi michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin crep lateran uc indiana edu stephen crep write your argument god wouldn thing that god doesn thing that never audac such thing argument that not understand
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write thi vers that sin observ top thi post mari had free sin order mother jesu sin mother jesu had sin order give birth god didn mari mother sin order give birth perfect vessel for jesu for that matter didn mari grandmoth sin that origin sin flow each person for last mari put god box that couldn incarn normal human god power god can suit purpos thi includ creat solar system and planet earth appear great ag provid path red sea for children israel that not depend exist ridg high ground and wind blow speed and direct and birth normal sin person taint origin sin focu object religion and not person relationship that believ author exist necess thi relationship channel conduit god form mari apostl and pope note that idea mari conceiv origin sin immacul concept distinct idea mari not sin lifetim separ doctrin and held cathol church mari born origin sin and didn sin lifetim jesu thi mean world had two perfect human di sin world gave birth want scriptur support for thi start prai god read bibl teach that jesu and sinless lamb god not mother grandmoth hope thi you help understand belief you bill irwin westrheim group vancouv canada uunet twg bill voic your comput bill twg fax system partner
soc.religion.christian	etern marriag hall vice ico tek hal lillywhit write articl atho rutger edu dhammer pacif david hammerslag write thi paragraph brought mind question you mormon reconcil idea etern marriag christ statement that ressurect peopl will marri marriag luke chapt delet jesu and clearest matthew and mark account that marriag will not perform resurrect thi belief that person marri thi earth delet problem thi view that topic discuss thi passag marriag that perform earth jesu word that regard respons answer question earthli marriag valid resurrect thi case straightforward interpret opinion that marriag not exist life rais natur wise jesu offer angel heaven contrast idea resurrect marri and marriag not angel natur somedai and earthli marriag will irrelev that jesu post resurrect valid marriag perform earth your mileag vari mark
soc.religion.christian	capit punish articl atho rutger edu prism gatech edu randal lee nichola mandock write safeti degre that mean death penalti and militari oper suffici peac violent provis prefer proport and keep final goal protect peac and human digniti for post exact word had not previous part quot disapprov capit punish us mean not suffici thi stronger restrict that capit punish useabl justifi case crime justifi death perhap thi testament interpret rever for life that oppos actual inflict death penalti testament interpret matter for debat whether death penalti work peac that violent provis not don and observ that usa you death penalti higher murder rate not matthew huntbach
soc.religion.christian	bernadett date jek nih gov write joe moor write mari that time appear girl name bernadett lourd refer immacul concept sinc year know doctrin apparit deem true and seal case for doctrin bernadett year had vision year dogma had offici proclaim pope jame kiefer forgot exactli ag rememb that born famili poverti and not educ whatsoev ag apparit suffer asthma that ag and and famili live abandon prison cell sort had ladi time apparit name sinc confessor priest ask for instanc priest not answer sinc bernadett not receiv time apparit pass ladi final immacul concept bernadett happi and repeat word and mind not forget told priest ask told priest priest shock and ask bernadett you you talk bernadett not exactli meant happi answer for priest priest continu you rememb thi you not bernadett answer honestli that had repeat and mind priest priest knew dogma year bernadett not and had answer priest final observ and proof authent person revel ladi bernadett note thi ladi lourd shrine spring water ladi request bernadett dig bare hand front pilgrim start water flow year water flow marida spread god word action mother teresa
soc.religion.christian	angel needl recal read that number bishop spent great deal time debat topic angel fit tip needl refer thi joe armstrong
soc.religion.christian	commit life god find god find difficult can hear god talk let that exist and and that and feel that can possibl talk don understand listen christian that opinion find god plung and commit your life and you will discov thi idea dive into total unknown bit frighten question you commit god you commit life you wouldn feel that listen couldn that had you commit oneself god commit thi forfeit current life can longer feel that good christian and uphold idea love your neighbour don round kill peopl steal etc and not jealou peopl and that standard treat peopl christian give commit involv burden take gener differ and assum that your birthdai you don suddenli feel year older won suddenli chang life dai commit happen can that thing can find last sentenc for your answer question perhap mail repli you ben benha castl janet benha castl year univers scotland
soc.religion.christian	mercuri refer fundamentalist christian parent articl atho rutger edu david bernard central sun dave bernard write david bernard central sun dave bernard subject mercuri refer fundamentalist christian parent date gmt articl atho rutger edu dan ingr rose aros write rais oakland and san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parent mason beaten child onc san jose mercuri new come articl start rais oakland mexican parent mason beaten face red anger injustic mexican famili member and fundamentalist evangel notic thi trend media short permiss bash fundamentalist substitu nation such mexican simpli substitut religion rais muslim parent rais jewish parent paper simpli not thi notic that newspap don even fundamentalist confus evangel and fundamentalist thi new group liber don even fundamentalist cry legalist believ and obei god word fundamentalist train children god proscrib not that man proscrib thi not includ life threaten beat includ corpor punish liber cry infidel not god word signatur follow your statut wonder obei psalm david hanson opinion express peopl fundamentalist suffici ill defin that advis specif term peopl us cover peopl inerr and number relat concept denial evolut origin fundament movement somewhat specif peopl accept inerr support origin agenda includ list kei tradit doctrin virgin birth term us press describ aggress conserv religion gener typic attempt legisl religion legal anoth ill defin term reason for us thi context fact common theolog definit that salvat law hope believ that conserv contributor hold thi view basic differ approach expect bibl conserv approach expect find specif behavior rule gener poster advoc thi approach talk relev passag paul letter god law liber approach expect find gener principl regard specif behavior rule subject chang depend cultur and thing easi liber regard conserv approach legal hard quit term us issu thi case not inerr that paul made factual error question whether statement law call posit answer legal obviou terminolog haven good altern clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian articl atho rutger edu dp nasa kodak dan schaertel write articl atho rutger edu carlson larc nasa gov ann carlson write think gai and christian not compat check digniti integr light presbyterian church affirm mcc church etc meet gai christian find prai discuss scriptur and form your opinion you start your religion thi fine scriptur basi for your statement act john spirit god fact get heart problem you you scriptur your faith driven feel goodism and not word god you you learn ann carlson carlson larc nasa gov nasa langlei research center hampton
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian human don homosexu heterosexu strive follow jesu world dy and hear jesu christ gain entri into heaven cannot cleans blood jesu sin cannot dwell heaven natur law god convert christian mean baptiz holi spirit you cannot heaven good work union holi spirit man behavior will chang true union will not desir homosexu fornic and homosexu will leav your life you baptiz holi spirit not that don stumbl and
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept articl atho rutger edu seanna bnr seanna watson wrote quit problem idea that mari never commit sin mari fulli human for god miracul make person free origin sin and free commit sin life purpos incarn jesu can god repeat miracl for mari make rest sinless for repent and salvat and that mari fulli human that not impli that subject sin cathol doctrin that man natur good gen damag origin sin rom that case undamag origin sin mari fulli human rest you god cannot repeat miracl mari preserv origin sin phrase not that you misunderstand mari salvat obtain our bless virgin mari salvat obtain merit sacrific christ cross god not bound time creation god free appli sacrific time even that person live christ earth time bound perspect christ death and resurrect serv purpos and even for mari salvat steve crep indiana univers crep lateran uc indiana edu
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept articl atho rutger edu seanna bnr seanna watson write articl atho rutger edu jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler write refer mari immacul conceiv and never subject origin sin never commit person sin life thi special degre grace grant god skip don object idea assumpt perpetu virgin regard cathol dogma will agre disagre cathol brother and sister christ and even virgin birth jesu thi concept mari sinless odd rest christian doctrin understand cathol church view mari christian church parallel belief notwithstand christ account sinless person live troubl sinless mari concept for relat issu origin sin adam and ev will answer for that children not answer for sin answer for mine larri autri silicon graphic loui autri sgi
soc.religion.christian	hail mari full grace articl atho rutger edu seanna bnr seanna watson write articl atho rutger edu jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler write refer mari immacul conceiv and never subject origin sin never commit person sin life thi special degre grace grant god quit problem idea that mari never commit sin mari fulli human for god miracul make person free origin sin and free commit sin life purpos incarn jesu can god repeat miracl for mari make rest sinless for repent and salvat and that don object idea assumpt perpetu virgin regard cathol dogma will agre disagre cathol brother and sister christ and even virgin birth jesu thi concept mari sinless odd rest christian doctrin understand you don agre joseph accur statement cathol dogma mari perpetu sinless you interpret luke and angel had come hail full grace lord thee bless art thou women and luke for behold henceforth gener call bless suppos that vers interpret mean that mari possess limit quantiti qualiti grace that full grace mean fill brim incap contain peopl abund grace soul exist heaven anoth cathol dogma base communion saint explain earlier post full grace mean sinless and sin life cannot sin sens mari sinless cathol find dogma tough embrac that cathol faith and prayer come into plai prai god strengthen will accept faith bride christ turn strengthen commun faith church and you faith christ church tantamount faith christ inasmuch church christ mystic bodi cathol natur two aspect faith christ person faith christ person redeem and commun faith church bodi christ randal lee nichola mandock catechist prism gatech edu you want check greek full grace translat singl word that simpli mean favor perhap liter grace full vestig specif translat you clh
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach andrew continu discuss deuterocanon articl geneva rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write poram ihlpb att wrote let talk principl accept that god set standard for includ scriptur can authorit authorit not qualiti write statement commun faith whether will accept write norm arguabl sinc author matter commun and recepi can that for exampl jesu lord whether world larg accept author not bibl can consid for authorit content whether not accept thi issu heart pilat pragmat question truth jesu lord brought jesu repli appeal author father you claim author repres statement lord bibl claim put across exact word god you fall into danger relativ your reject inher author and claim that li commun faith becom truth accept main thrust argument that godward direct manward refer rev prophet propheci defin speak god messag apocrypha sure qualifi narrow predict element will cut accept book nonetheless criteria for determin valid book jesu standard that scriptur cannot broken can you name singl propheci that fit bill apocrapha fulfil written authent standard authent function author histor accuraci subject ring truth and evid that come light contradict confirm authent archaeolog textual evid for exampl dynam thi suppos mean apocryph book highli dynam thought provok faith even excit thi get relationship text and reader qualiti write abil fire mind affect thought life and act thi jesu quot man not live bread alon word that proce mouth lord matt receiv collect read and us apocryph book receiv collect not read and us and cathol and orthodox church cathol church give author apocrapha accept book not wide us and count apocrapha fall short glori god thi demonstr fals you want revis your conclus addit sacr write koran book mormon and and you categoris principl word caution you find reflect glori book that inspir qualiti deriv bibl rememb that lucif quit capabl appear angel light and quot scriptur quot unger bibl dictionari apocrapha abound histor and geograph inaccuraci and anachron book bibl you think delet you view word warn hear word propheci thi book add god will add plagu describ thi book and take thi book propheci god will share tree life and holi citi rev sure thi set standard and not man made tradit word meant refer book revel alon not bodi scriptur revel accept late into canon church simpli not primari role kind identifi and limit scriptur lost point and context not argu that statement rev can appli indescrimin that accept reject idea not follow man made tradit act god involv select and criteria classifi scriptur and come definit tim revdak netcom barnei resson run and fro knowledg increas daniel
soc.religion.christian	bernadett date jek nih gov write joe moor write mari that time appear girl name bernadett lourd refer immacul concept sinc year know doctrin apparit deem true and seal case for doctrin bernadett year had vision year dogma had offici proclaim pope jame kiefer forgot exactli ag rememb that born famili poverti and not educ whatsoev ag apparit suffer asthma that ag and and famili live prison cell sort had ladi time apparit name sinc confessor priest ask for instanc priest not answer sinc bernadett not receiv time apparit pass ladi final immacul concept bernadett happi and repeat word and mind not forget told priest ask told priest priest shock and ask bernadett you you talk bernadett not exactli meant happi answer for priest priest continu you rememb thi you not bernadett answer honestli that had repeat and mind priest priest knew dogma year bernadett not and had answer priest final observ and proof authent person revel ladi bernadett note thi ladi lourd shrine spring water ladi request bernadett dig bare hand front pilgrim start water flow year water flow marida spread god word action mother teresa marida maridai ec comm mot
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soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt dave bernard david bernard central sun wrote elizabeth greet mari elizabeth effect that mari women bless appear that thi exactli place mari sanctif normal human phrase eulogemen gunaixin bless you women noth that thi except uniqu statu that woman mari bless ad word not fair read text good reason for church vener mari cannot depend thi vers revdak netcom
soc.religion.christian	boston church dear moder you add thi bcc faq case member boston church christ for support organ number bostonex burlington reader england interest seri new report bcc nightli new channel wcvb boston for dai start wed for viewer boston area telecast will air england cabl new channel
soc.religion.christian	marian apparit bless virgin mari appear catherin labour nun sister chariti juli rue bac pari sister catherin awaken late that night small boi ag liter glow sort interior light child led sanctuari chapel promis virgin mari found await ladi appear and instruct for two hour matter pertain life and futur franc and world novemb ladi appear catherin instruct medal struck told that wore thi medal enjoi special protect mother god and receiv great grace year apparit june medal realiti report receiv wore two year issu medal miracul medal catherin di bodi thi dai remark preserv incorrupt canon juli bodi li chapel motherhous rue bac had meet ladi apparit novemb averag height and cloth white veil that flow head and fell floor altar pyramid paint repres god know wisdom look ladi feet rest white globe and green serpent yellow spot that step hand golden ball that repres world great stream light issu hand and show catherin imag two heart sacr heart wrap pierc thorn and heart punctur sword sword repres suffer jesu apparit announc onset great battl and forewarn that dark era lai futur apparit lead recent ladi began dispens secret and globe reveal worldwid disput forc dark told catherin time evil misfortun will fall franc throne will overturn entir world will overcom evil kind refer book catherin for ladi messag copi medal cathol bookstor will post marian event dai includ happen todai investig post serv introduc you event into and understand reason for increas number and urgenc apparit mark ashlei disclaim opinion not harri marka gcx ssd csd harri lost lo angelino
soc.religion.christian	baptism requir faith aaronc athena mit edu aaron bryce cardena write troubl that post recent support doctrin origin sin thi primarili cathol doctrin purpos defend idea infant baptism you read ezekiel you will that god doesn hold guilti for sin can origin guilt adam thi neatli elimin for savior and prove that can save work alon origin sin for save ourselv not sin understand reason your argument lead sheer folli origin sin reason faith save alan terlep and scorpion oakland univers rochest natur atterlep vela ac oakland edu
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin eugen bigelow write noteworthi jesu attitud had argument pharise canon john and explain follow road emmau that law prophet and psalm refer divis scriptur luke luke take genesi chronicl jewish order genesi malachi scriptur you rememb that adam transgress men and women sin paul wrote human cooperativlei rebll god adma sin subject and sin transmit gener gener andi byler andi not write paragraph thi time word attribut can speak for rest human not cooper rebel
soc.religion.christian	mormon belief children born wedlock aaronc athena mit edu aaron bryce cardena write bruce webster write ld doctrin step and case hold parent respons for children sin fail bring properli note that thi passag appli member ld church includ kei vers not refer and inasmuch parent children zion stake organ that teach not understand doctrin repent faith christ son live god and baptism and gift holi ghost lai hand year sin head parent sin parent bruce you reconcil thi practic ezekiel ezekiel soul sin will die son will not share guilt father will father share guilt son righteous righteou man will credit and wicked wick will charg ezekiel not translat correctli your ey perhap ezekiel teach correct principl assum that father and son equal knowledg prepar for judgment parent respons teach children gospel and life skill fail make suffici attempt teach children parent held respons not for children sin for not teach properli whenev lord instal posit author famili church expect that person teach charg ezekiel call care for liken watchman hous israel thou dost not speak warn wick that man die iniqu blood will requir thine hand nevertheless thou warn wick turn not turn die iniqu thou hast deliv thy soul even prefac thi command parent children zion parent respons for teach children good principl understand ld parent accept greater responsbl and judg strictli idler
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt david bernard central sun dave bernard write elizabeth greet mari elizabeth effect that mari women bless appear that thi exactli place mari sanctif normal human don thi logic follow true mari receiv bless grant histori human privileg mother savior noth mari need bless person order that therebi worthi bear son god problem that human can comprehend sinless incarn spring sin human flesh and god spirit simpli accept graciou miracl god dope mechan rational thi mari word spirit rejoic god savior for regard low estat handmaiden sound word human awar human savior similar david proclaim psalm not word holi for god grace apolog for harp thi don suppos import that mari and joseph and babi reduc placid seren figurin feel lose fact that god chose come you and born peopl you and share exist and redeem fallen holi incarn paul marxhausen univers nebraska lincoln grace happen
soc.religion.christian	arsenokoitai mean convict sin meta exeget methodolog essai articl atho rutger edu rexlex fnal fnal gov write can post onc will come piec meal and not daili forward read librari last week object view articl that appear last year sinc previou literatur fortun had move journal back issu didn articl hope find will continu reserv judgment arsenokoitai latest scholarli work and can hope that rexlex post give meat chew can point methodolog issu shown for conclud thi matter articl rexlex post address issu not you will perhap understand problem hard jame deyoung write abstractu thi studi argu that paul coin term arsenokoitai deriv lxx lev and for homosexu orient and behavior minor point make young contradict prior assert thi abstract that ancient analysi issu concern action and not orient doubt thi will bear articl such thought point start hypothesi young advanc that paul coin word and intend mean for refer levit law question rais confirm truth thi hypothesi and follow accept stipul for sake discuss that correct note that independ plausibl counsel despair find noth literatur contemporari paul clarifi thi word paul not gener invent word anywher letter you establish pattern coinag not sound methodolog assum hint immedi at text fix coinag mean for audienc extract present evid confirm reject hypothesi outset find somewhat plausibl noth make imposs constru thi problem passag set for moment question whether paul coin thi usag tractabl question mean for thi principl two kind evid that can adduc intern and extern that can text paul letter for clarif that prior contemporari write that paul reli deriv write that claim access paul mean singl worst problem thi word corinthian that intern evid for paul mean word total explan hint mean save that inclus list neg impli that for neg mean left intern clue etymolog format word reason that young and associ leviticu prohibit men verb men verb standard euphem for sex lie leviticu bed greek problem that bedder koitai not us that greek offer test young hypothesi pass reject find bodi greek text contemporari paul not prior dai such that koitai format impli men sex case find such usag arsenokoitai such text confirm that word can read that worth emphas that compound word not gener standabl project reader imagin juxtaposit root exist such parallel doesn prove hypothesi correct long make such usag whether not origin paul specif case ars comprehens reader test move direct extern evid paul not text explain word and not expect reader word stand coinag expect that mimic word format that such that can guess mean flounder extern evid that text paul and lexicograph social histor consider that adduc come into pictur word not depend paul suffici intern contextu evid gloss contemporari scribe show derogatori refer male homosexu aliti similar koitai format us similar wai ground for deni that paul coin word and assum that reader understand mean you problem paul coin word requir reader share context comprehend coinag and intent thi case that stipul young guess understand refer levit univers prohibit male male sex thi mind you context paul emphas congreg and assum corinthian explain cor and corinthian pull back overinterpret freedom applic torah law gentil convert consider that make implaus for paul coin word element archaic ars attic ionic form even classic alon koin time assimil arr thi impli that even need extern evid pin mean and usag paul invent word obsolet attic format and didn coin word pick list common term derog mean will for reader constrain that common mean sinc cannot emphas that paul not mean thi word and origin reader guess had contemporari context and paul had us thi word and explain great detail person trace evid that and suppos mere fantasi desper extern evid thi word and exception meagr that precis problem can equal plausibl hypothes word standard gutter term abus for specif gener homosexu male activ term abus us jew aw homosexu greek not conscious associ part leviticu passag paul invent term and not associ leviticu not intend word explicit and univers applic absolut and clear boundari sinc word that list such charact thi last plausibl hypothes advanc top head that plausibl reserv that word never appear paul and evid depend paul can opt for paul coin coin unawar prior us case coinag inher confus demot basi earlier can shown common place paul travel case into account paul relat commun usag pick word and whether greek jewish commun paul relat straight forward extern evid aid select hypothesi your guess good mine wors depend lot thing remain guesswork and don you for will not equat human guesswork will god mean convinc your conscienc paul get dai major controversi somewhat thi charact roman hold your belief and god and man fortun can make decis conscienc eat state doubt condemn not good faith and act bad faith sin for part cannot resolv paul mean us arsenokoitai directli applic extern evid and natur such extern evid will never reach certainti constrain paul intent paul humpti dumpti and and rest will us word wai that person choic and sometim leav reader puzzl that puzzlement lead you god bless lead paul word led peopl paul intens commun effort contriv mean soul regret consequ found paul fantast reliabl guid read larg can lai posit detail and hammer home time and time mean and cryptic passag such thi usual discurs great length intend meta exeget point need confirm that paul coin case meant word mean leviticu prohibit second point stipul thi hypo thesi and follow impli for initi reader and for christian verbos thi will tomorrow night medit michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian ml panix michael siemon write articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu name mark write not deceiv fornic idol adulter effemin homosexu thiev covet drunkard revil swindler inherit kingdom god and such you cor moder adequ discuss circular your us porneia thi can agre paul that kind activ that name fornic theft covet revil drunken deserv condemn not agre bound categori and fact that argu suggest that not matter not clear that paul excel rhetorician had interest make clear leav matter spirit led decis uncomfort live read that domin christian discuss area fornic sex marriag abus sex not homosexu intercours context marriag isn unatur us god that homosexu grace god licens practic sin for person crept unnot long mark for thi condemn ungodli person turn grace god into licenti and deni master and lord jesu christ jude nasb defin god legitim marriag for thi man leav father and mother and cleav wife and becom flesh gen nasb and answer and you not read that creat begin made male and femal and for thi man leav father and mother and cleav wife and two becom flesh longer two flesh god join togeth man separ matt nasb immor each man wife and each woman husband husband fulfil duti wife and likewis wife husband corinthian nasb plenti law prohibit sexual behavior found leviticu christian ignor complet never even bother examin assum that moral and ritual new for you anthropolog sensit you ritual and clean unlcean categori aw lot societi buri pretti deep and cannot ground for distinguish bit leviticu ritual law christian feel appli disagre law that written leviticu look sin that for savior can understand not sin list levitc law hope that repent confront notic that vers forbid bestial immedi follow vers prohibit appear homosexu intercours thi almost slimei argument that homosexu rape argu can find joker defens bestial absolut irrelev and incompar issu gai christian rais concern sexual activ commit consensu human adult realtionship that your bring relev law kashrut you cannot address actual issu you bloodi dishonest trail thi red her front world you want address bestial that your busi not mine and attempt torpedo issu cultur ridicul joke show that you interest hear human be you want dismiss and us sleaziest mean you can notic that preceed vers you not approach woman uncov naked menstrual impur and you not intercours your neighbor wife defil leviticu nasb vers relev you not lie male li femal abomin leviticu nasb god tell israelit not practic such thing not defil thing for nation cast you becom defil for land becom defil visit punish land spew inhabit for you you statut and judgment and not abomin nativ alien sojourn you leviticu nasb lord listen dismiss homosexu love you don agre that you practic not sin you not repent your sin hate sin that your live hate sin that life christian hate sin that live confrontaion sin bring repent agre john that jesu repent for kingdom heaven hand matt you don agre that homosexu sin can you repent thi mean that you remain bondag repent and god will set you free love mike michael christensen trust lord your heart senior product support engin and not lean your procom technolog inc understand proverb nasb
soc.religion.christian	daili vers you will perfect peac mind steadfast trust you isaiah
soc.religion.christian	sleep aunt last time discuss homosexu ask whether identifi act homosexu intercours that bibl prohibit circumst bring appar harm put anoth question whether homosexu intercours act that christian suppos immor sole basi that god insight offer immor answer question form bibl interest respons base roman cathol theologi that can answer question link hudson point recent comment sleep aunt incest held immor societi that degre relationship marriag and intercous prohibit bibl except troubl that difficult relationship qualifi incestu societi differ defin incest genet reason sometim offer biblic case cannot dealt that can man sleep step mother assum that father dead and that marri thi case differ duti marri brother childless wife two case parallel bibl prohibit incestu marriag and homosexu marriag for reason perhap that god not good for and incap understand don bother write that homophob last time mind not made question you don whether homophob not you don call homophob know person express bigotri homophob remark stan armstrong religi studi dept saint mari univers halifax armstrong huski stmari att clyde watmath water dalc armstrng
soc.religion.christian	question hell articl atho rutger edu pwhite empro peter white write luke talk rich man and lazaru matthew talk etern fire prepar for devil and angel revel and refer thi fire place unbeliev thrown matthew talk thrown into etern fire and fire hell quit clear that thi place fire burn forev revel passag clear that devil and angel will torment forev matthew passag doesn abundantli clear whether punish unbeliev everlast sens final sens continu you miss import passag thess for for god repai afflict afflict you and give relief you afflict and lord jesu reveal heaven mighti angel flame fire deal retribut not god and not obei gospel lord jesu and will pai penalti etern destruct presenc lord and glori power come glorifi saint that dai and marvel believ for testimoni you believ thing note thi passag unbeliev openli reject gospel and not god etern destruct etern hope thi distruct primarili emphas that separ presenc god context speak advent speak raptur don confus two bibl not awar discuss specif hell gener hot unpleas and torment greater discript hell that heaven for instanc not discuss rich man can continu stai fire and feel discomfort pain whether point pain sens abil burn you can forgiv graphic you throw physic bodi into fire assum person start aliv fairli quick point nerv destroi and pain longer sens thi earthli fire that requir ga produc substanc ignit type fire express burn bush that not consum daniel acct show that law natur can interupt even earthli fire not state occur judgement unbeliev physic dead cast into hell you don understand will aliv end millenium will walk straight into gwtj even di sin will resurrect reunit physic bodi receiv condemn longer physic bodi can feel physic pain thi contrari teach scriptur sens continu that hell forev god lazaru rich man parabl told idea listen physic term order point that peopl won listen god even rise dead thi conjectur you support physic bodi thesi point parabl reach hard heart not listen fact resurrect gospel jesu christ reason draw parabl that hell not even remot pleasant true awl hell that etern separ god glori presenc gwtj whether open rebellion reveal gospel christ not god not saught paul excuss and that mouth will stop will defens judgment seat god understand appoint man onc die and come judgment liter horrif doesn make realiti compel rich christ share rex
soc.religion.christian	faq essai homosexu articl atho rutger edu hudson athena uga edu paul hudson write care total throw leviticu law reflect god charact and true holi natur that god endors homosexu run into problem thi will address seri articl post aresnokoitia can wait thi blew sock read tim vers speak pervert teach mosaic law order command and midst thi list homosexu decalogu god absolut you don absolut you noth jehovah paul reveal messiah lord christ jesu transliter read jehovah anoint savior cor emphasi moral separ pagan gentil lev cor notat drunkard not found lev paul not naiv us lxx knew full law god that for applic law fulfil not question deal encount homosexu context peopl agre that wrong had never face experi christian act straight and fail and had never face christian defin christian homosexu fit gener christian ideal fidel and sexual mirror relationship god and man unfair paul judgement homosexu idolat and us make judgement question thi understand rebut deyoung articl that post refer reason that not accept that common argument paul face thi and problem can not adequ defens statement that paul cultur didn understand homosexu our read articl fact claim that question counsel homosexu christian not theolog issu pastor don you come that conclus work homosexu commun mean work aid patient pastor practic applic theolog truth work issu homosexu love and understand friend contipl cheat wife friend live girlfriend you continu wit onc choic made and remors feel that paul pastor care present corinthian church come bear signific activ rebellion church believ and believ wipe sandel and leav god hand member your youth group constantli paw girl you wouldn hesit deal matter quickli and decisivli that part betrai present polit correct issu pederasti not accept present accept homosexu polit correct not not thi moral decai guess thi follow liber applic polit realm econom liber want tax rich feder state busi settl give tax incent richi come moral code rel us cultur thing polit correct moment rex you want tim thi command miss thiev and homosexu fit adulteri thi arsenokoitia narrow mean homosexu gener that not your thesi object per idea that author tim quot command minu and thing begin bit margin clh
soc.religion.christian	question jesu alon on articl atho rutger edu jblanken ccat sa upenn edu jame blankenship write jesu and on tend refer group that deni triniti explain matthew that jesu name father jesu name son and jesu name name holi spirit father son holi spirit refer role fill jesu imho thi bad wors bad not god prai refus jesu prai real scriptur prai father father son problem multipl god context scriptur perfect even your father heaven that can heir christ that will heir share thing equal includ knowledg power dominion etc christ will and god god cannot thi not power and not god will not liar and not god greatest god don that jesu prai point triniti that distinct god that relationship thi impli sort commun assum that nativ form father and son directli connect that prayer sens isn involv jesu incarn son logo made flesh human form human action limit human capabl commun father take form prayer don that problemat that implicit idea incarn clh
soc.religion.christian	deuterocanon esp sirach articl atho rutger edu andrew cmu edu andrew byler write michael siemon write protest love plai jerom for worth worth jerom and grandli anoth christian wit for can commun saint you for greater polar and dichotomi cathol and protest thought histor perspect valid rome reject signific aspect protest thought vehement protest reject signific aspect roman thought peoplw appar embodi greatest extrem thi reject side not quit vast gulf fix casual observ assum ecumen consult rome and lutheran rome and anglican communion belong show complet converg understand basic theolog issu stick point tend ecclesiolog and church politi for exampl you remeb that decre pope damsu not regard papal decret oppos polit signific sometim will sometim won you misread you that communion throw deuterocanon book you overstress sens reform church jesu christ adopt canon unbeliev jew drawn jamnia counter christian us septuagint suggest you rethink you verg and anti semit worst sens unbeliev jew understand christian chosen peopl god and recipi pre incarn revel matter javneh meet not interpret recent magisteri studi titl mikra don citat inform hand produc primarili background christian specif jewish scholarship suggest strongli that javneh meet resolv linger question practic canon had long fix basi scroll that templ and therebi made hand unclean us list sacr book that drawn josephu and pre yavneh sourc correspond minu book rememeb chapter correctli current jewish canon tanakh thi not throw deuterocanon your posit book greek accept and rome not observ that issu complex and simpli binari judgment not justic andi byler michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm
soc.religion.christian	christian homosexu part note break thi repli into part due length ml panix michael siemon write articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu name mark write ml panix michael siemon write homosexu christian check vers us incred pervers interpret simpli not address issu can that vers not address issu exactli vers that address issu agre that vers that unchalleng gai right activist vers that address issu doesn that mean that vers that support your case you you want that vers that address issu coupl not requir incred pervers interpret order condemn homosexu kind interpret incred pervers that appli stori sodom blanket equat homosexu behavior and rape sinc christian cite bibl such context presum read stori amount slander charg that homosexu rape us that stori genesi tell citizen sodom demand opportun two men lot guest fact that sodomit angri lot offer daughter indic that interest homosexu intercours want rape homosexu rape and agre that that wrong christian that homosexu aspect desir sin rape aspect desir passag not that offend god whether homosexu intend rape that fair altern light relat scriptur not that god offend homosexu and rape that homosexu form rape you view that sin describ gen fact that sodomit want commit rape and that unfair stigmat homosexu associ sin rape can you reach such conclus you start conclus that noth wrong homosexu not suppos start conclus that circular reason god fact oppos homosexu intercours gener interpret that offend sodomit blatant homosexu intent commit rape will document testament portrai god despis homosexu intercours even partner consent adult not deceiv fornic idol adulter effemin homosexu thiev covet drunkard revil swindler inherit kingdom god and such you cor moder adequ discuss circular your us porneia thi moder found propos circular that regard church proper author for determin kind marriag legitim and church refus recogn pervert marriag circular reason question had noth church ordain kind marriag and argument straw man term origin question precis definit translat porneia isn import you argu that bibl doesn condemn extramarit sex not moder that case you and moder miss point jesu ask divorc repli you not read that creat begin made male and femal and for thi man leav father and mother and cleav wife and two becom flesh longer two flesh god join togeth man separ read that sexual union man male and wife femal divin ordain union word institut heterosexu marriag ordain and establish god not men and not church god men not suppos dissolv thi union jesu word not creat men thi not circular reason thi read god word read bibl that god ordain union male and femal not read similar divin ordain union two male two femal grant uninspir men ordain altern union isn caligula report marri hors union that jesu refer god join togeth heterosexu union man and wife pardon for mention caligula that inflammatori and save for discuss bestial part thi post hold pass judgement you read that section repli origin question not whether translat porneia that condemn select kind extramarit sex question that heterosexu marriag union describ bibl divin ordain and biblic prohibit sex marriag homosexu intercours sin that whether bibl condemn sex marriag you argu that kind extramarit sex and sin wrong can agre paul that kind activ that name fornic theft covet revil drunken deserv condemn not agre bound categori and fact that argu suggest that not matter not clear that paul excel rhetorician had interest make clear leav matter spirit led decis uncomfort live read that domin christian discuss area altern that definit such term porneia and rest paul dai call faq law tutor appoint god lead christ had spent sixteen centuri drum into head god peopl idea that thing homosexu intercours abomin that deserv punish death perhap paul didn into detail porneia year consid question dealt perhap reason god apostl and prophet not devot great deal time defin distinct testament sexual not intend signific sexual had establish law discuss law and homosexu greater detail below want point that testament failur develop detail standard sexual not necessarili evid that god not care sexual conduct year put peopl death for practic homosexu homosexu behavior and gai christian adam condemn rape heterosexu homosexu and child molest heterosexu homosexu and even possibl harmless obsess kind sex heterosexu homosexu that stand condemn paul continu chapter you cite mildli suggest that paul letter that you want us perhap good guid mean free you not for good doubt free for will not make free cor restat that god god command gai christian wish break peopl involv obsess driven mode sexual behavior wrong slightli incendiari secondari argument phobic conting equat homosexu such behavior equat rape god messeng and you defin obsess driven mode sexual behavior you determin differ obsess sexual behavior and normal sex drive desir sin sex obsess driven mode behavior you that thi circular reason defin sin obsess make obsess fact that person driven seek even sin obsess desir for that societi condemn onc that circular defin obsess person even societi condemn societi condemn obsess you limit bibl condemn porneia pervert sex act don you can defin pervert fall into exactli circular you accus paul condemn declar that fornic not enter kindgom heaven won deal exegesi leviticu tangenti fundament you exhibit circular your assumpt that you porneia mean you misunderstood not make argument technic definit porneia rais issu sin extramarit sex and lack scriptur evid homosexu counterpart divin ordain union heterosexu coupl plenti law prohibit sexual behavior found leviticu christian ignor complet never even bother examin assum that moral and ritual new for you anthropolog sensit you ritual and clean unlcean categori aw lot societi buri pretti deep and cannot ground for distinguish bit leviticu ritual law christian feel appli dead peopl start thi matter repuls and unnatur act and huh solid clue sort arbitrari cultur inculc american prejudic eat insect rememb you for discuss bestial part basi assum your conclus can you that law male male intercours leviticu not part ritual law glad you ask you agre that god condemn homosexu intercours even not law mose thi show that god condemn homosexu act ritual law can show you scriptur that god punish homosexu behavior peopl not law mose you agre that god definit homosexu intercours abomin not limit ritual law and law privat email discuss dai adventist subject sabbath and main point christian sabbath keep requir that scriptur god command gentil rest sabbath condemn gentil for fail rest sabbath thi illustr differ univers requir such thou shalt not kill and requir that part temporari jew law mose such sabbath point you make that you classif homosexu intercours abomin part temporari jew law mose hand that label god abomin for gentil jew and that punish guilti thi behavior death exil back genesi god promis give abraham land that possess amorit kinda hard amorit don you vers clue that thi not unjust sound god postpon thi takeov for quit iniqu amorit not complet rememb thi long ritual law iniqu amorit commit that complet justifi cast land and kill back and lev vers list varieti sin includ child sacrific incest homosexu and bestial begin vers god start not defil thing for thing nation cast you becom defil for land becom defil visit punish land spew inhabit for abomin person cut peopl notic that god gentil nation not ritual law mose punish defil and land commit abomin that includ incest bestial and homosexu flip ahead two chapter lev and you will find abomin list and thi time god decre death penalti involv thing includ specif man ly anoth man li woman bloodguilti mean that god ey deserv die for such thing lev even alien jew sojourn you refrain practic penalti cut god peopl circumst difficult support claim that testament god object intend rape and not homosexu sodom sinc god troubl specif list sex two consent men reason for wipe canaanit nation not homosexu rape mind you plain voluntari gai sex god not neutral subject homosexu behavior even had noth mosaic coven for christian that part leviticu can law for christian not even thought incumb you case handl merit determin you pick and ignor anoth tim scriptur inspir god and profit for teach reproof correct and train righteous that even gentil christian not law can learn studi action defin sin violat law sin for law for exampl case sabbath keep god reveal that action abomin even for not law conclud that god object practic not base whether not person law sin act case homosexu homosexu intercours defin god defil abomin for gentil jew for not law for not that gentil christian oblig part law simpli that god refer homosexu sin even for not oblig law thi not can appeal exempt law valid ground for legitim practic god declar bloodguilti abomin that defil jew and gentil continu part mark
soc.religion.christian	mercuri refer fundamentali articl atho rutger edu dan ingr rose aros write rais oakland and san lorenzo strict fundamentalist christian parent mason beaten child san jose mercuri new come articl start rais oakland mexican parent mason beaten face perhap connect that not mexican variant you bring thi true statement didn christian gener specif strict fundamentalist christian reflect common percept that peopl fundamentalist strict disciplinarian whether not thi percept justifi anoth issu read that distinguish strict and relax fundamentalist clh
soc.religion.christian	mormon templ articl atho rutger edu shellgat llo psi larri overack write earli church histori catechumen dismiss prior celebr eucharist secret give rise rumor that christian problem idea that catechumen dismiss eucharist not consid qualifi particip cannib and sort pervers claim action consid holi observ christian potenti danger for individu christian identifi dismiss earli church mean that eucharist secret mean you don stai membership can particip you don hang you oblig attend qualifi except you not stai happen secret had reason conduct busi meet church made clear that member can vote happi for member stai and observ you evid for intent secreci rumour will happen you underclass thing not approv power christoph
soc.religion.christian	christian crisi hank hanegraaff articl atho rutger edu yfn ysu edu frank decenso write read thi import book your feel not read book intend judg promo hear constantli radio sound good john macarthur charismat chao seri and book talk thing health wealth and prosper thing real part and promin religion time turn tbn paul crouch show build talk sin poor and unhealthi
soc.religion.christian	christian homosexu part thi continu earlier post ml panix michael siemon write for christian that part leviticu can law for christian not even thought incumb you case handl merit determin you pick and ignor anoth frankli effort misguid reread paul doubt free christian criterion us for make judgment thi great command love for god and neighbor you cannot leviticu and decid each command that basi your arbitrari select simpli idiosyncraci thi context remark offens notic that vers forbid bestial immedi follow vers prohibit appear homosexu intercours you found thi offens not intent offend lead anoth point discuss detail below thi almost slimei argument that homosexu rape argu can find joker defens bestial absolut irrelev and incompar issu gai christian rais concern sexual activ commit consensu human adult realtionship that your bring relev law kashrut you cannot address actual issu you bloodi dishonest trail thi red her front world you want address bestial that your busi not mine and attempt torpedo issu cultur ridicul joke show that you interest hear human be you want dismiss and us sleaziest mean you can can you revuls for bestial that exce distast for homosexu spoke homosexu you speak bestial troubl label homophob thi gentli you judgement peopl sexual prefer happen doubt free you doubl standard you describ comparison homosexu and bestial slimei and sleazi you make implicit judgement that bestial pervert sin disgust unnatur short thing that societi onc thought homosexu not peopl share your view you claim not sincer zoophil thi not mean that not exist even newsgroup alt sex bestial you accus mere joker notic you delet main point comment fact that biblic condemn bestial occur connect levit prohibit homosexu testament passag that can arguabl condemn homosexu that condemn bestial your main point that christian homosexu accept due lack clear testament statement thi valid argument not christian zoophilia made that accept fact that testament make refer clear unclear subject quit accept homosexu biblic accept basi your argument fair and appli standard declar sexual prefer argument you make for homosexu can appli sexual prefer appli and come not torpedo issu you label ridicul joke post question interpret biblic guidelin for christian sexual and don such question irrelev group call soc religion christian bibl discuss homosexu and bestial togeth context and feel good preced for jesu and paul expound explictli and consider length central linch pin christian moral thought requir love anoth and depend that gai and lesbian christ ian challeng you address issu term and return cheap debat trick attempt side track issu don whether make differ for record thi not side issu for love anoth includ not encourag peopl defil high import determin whether god regard sexual act defil can read testament that god join togeth heterosexu coupl and that marriag bed undefil can read testament that homosexu intercours and bestial defil person whether not that person law gai christian can validli put testament standard defil want that can fairli appli sexual practic that defil person dai don bit and piec law and and appli christian todai bestial defil you homosexu doesn that pretti you earlier you us exampl you essenti thing wrong appli part law christian christian doubt sincer show and corner usenet and world and spout vers never thought never even read total ignor issu rais slander vilest charg child abus perfervid mind can manag conjur toss red her suppos great emot forc reader dismiss wit even take troubl find not intent stir such emot reaction person don that upset discuss altern monogam heterosexu orient afraid naiv assum that similar attitud note that never intend equat homosexu child abus note that for lack clear condemn homosexu even greater lack condemn even mention bestial practic number peopl alt sex bestial true sexual orient such behavior shame claim truth christ for god preciou sake you peopl quot irrelev vers condemn peopl you don and won even troubl listen you start your condemn that love your neighbor god forbid that you obei repeat command not judg condemn christ and paul spend order magnitud time insist thi half dozen obscur word paul that you bloodi readi licens god tell you not for god sake quot john omit for breviti thi excel question and prai that you will not treat mere rhetor question will genuin seek discov and understand answer recommend you begin introspect into you attitud zoophilia you find bestial repugn that you regard slander even mention connect altern sexual orient you not appli vers love and toler zoophil you appli homosexu you automat experi subject feel revuls thought lot peopl experi thought homosexu intercours you regard practic social unaccept lot peopl regard homosexu social unaccept you feel that violat tradit judeo christian standard sexual moral peopl feel that homosexu you feel bibl condemn peopl bibl condemn homosexu condemn bestial you compar bestial homosexu insult homosexu you can honestli answer thi question you will come long understand peopl feel homosexu you feel bestial note that not sens condemn peopl point that read bibl sexual practic that bibl appear condemn sex marriag adulteri and pre marit sex sin you that fail love neighbor you treat bestial disgust and unmention you disobei repeat order not judg condemn you christian guilti sin condemn you and judg you you that accus make guilti offens you and simpli take note practic bibl brand sin and leav judgement peopl god for long ag confus evil counsel evil men and told that light shame and reject despair and cours that show sin shun god light bless spirit crush righteou justifi truth and truth light human and that not fear light enemi fear light wit and will can shadow dark fals wit michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm not you mean two paragraph you mean that jesu truth and that accept sinner and not reject agre not sinner not savior salvat christ not mean that sin irrelev for and can want christ grace mean that refer sin sin judgement intoler speak gener term not specif homosexu bibl call sin not unreason for christian call sin appli christian homosexu definit author christian sexual bibl you make list bibl subject homosexu intercours you will find that vers list neg and condemn worst and unclear pro gai statement you make list that disput testament vers peopl interpret condemn homosexu intercours that gai perspect posit thing you can bibl treatment homosexu that vers fail condemn that jesu declar food clean council jerusalem declar that gentil not requir ritual law reclassifi homosexu intercours abomin deserv death accept christian practic you vers describ homosexu intercours abomin that defil jew law and gentil not law and you vers not clear peopl clear condemn homosexu behavior and that sum total bibl sex intercours can person experi your desir simpl cut and dri black and white want and oppos wick not bibl make your case definit you fact don posit your case vers love anoth and not judg anoth that not issu you and admit that thing that sin for christian sinc you wrong for christian condemn you issu whether bibl homosexu intercours sin even you challeng clariti testament vers you left fact that thing bibl homosexu intercours that abomin that defil law and not mark don reaction comparis bestial base bestialophobia regard slimei rhetor approach connect homosexu and bestial peopl accept homosexu radic approach law regard lev not bind christian argument that text separ bestial homosexu and wear mix fabric thi not mean that such peopl limit conduct mean that accept bestial simpli mean that sexual ethic not come law and not lev clh
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soc.religion.christian	cathol doctrin predestin articl geneva rutger edu crep lateran uc indiana edu stephen crep write articl atho rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu write cathol doctrin predestin not exclud free will sinc god that happen free will and chang happen sinc god choic will make advanc god not subject time argument pit predestin free will curious thi subject occupi good bit prayer life recent god experi time complet sinc and word foreknowledg and predestin semant incorrect come describ god percept action for god begin live and end live sort for god not not foreknowledg live time predestin action fact sinc understand thing ti linear experi time that imposs for understand complet free will interact god control univers tom ault
soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt elizabeth greet mari elizabeth effect that mari women bless appear that thi exactli place mari sanctif normal human rememb coupl time girlfriend that thought bless son love dearli fact heard peopl refer bless quit time common figur speech that elizabeth anoth human thi passag offer noth justifi blessed mari
soc.religion.christian	incarn two mind christ articl geneva rutger edu tedr athena uga edu ted kalivoda write nabil wrote famili agre that will and act hypostasi logo incarn marhaba nabil posit two mind christ mind logo and mind human jesu admit two will mind not mind will thi dealt past church prnouncement philosoph problem that examin morri argu that incarn can thi mind logo mind jesu circumsrib god human son god son complet access human mind mind human mind access mind god son son access thi explain jesu even not time kingdom idea complet healthi version split person field psycholog and intrigu idea dream act know that you omnisci explain you want full document mail rex question aris begin logo and conscious compos clarifi two natur christ briefli divin natur exist etern not undertak essenti incarn conflict attribut god foremost immut thi mean that remain impass that incap suffer and death free ignor and insuscept weak and temptat realm divin natur that son god that not absolut and result incarn that divin logo ignor and weak tempt and suffer and die not divin natur deriv possess human natur thi mean that properti divin natur and human natur properti person and ascrib person thi reason can that person can omnipot omnisci and omnipres time man limit power knowledg man sorrow subject human and miseri penetr natur into deiti can share imperfect human human can share essenti perfect godhead not assum that doubl person due possess doubl natur christ human natur imperson that attain conscious and determin person god man differenti person and natur man natur defin distinguish qualiti properti fundament charact disposit tempera live innat and unchang natur essenc substanc possess common such triniti natur common natur mankind person hand separ subsist natur power conscious and will for thi reason that human natur christ not had separ subsist that imperson logo god man repres principl person equal import that conscious and determin not such belong natur for thi reason that can justifi that jesu not two conscious two will theanthrop activ person unit human and divin natur that conscious will simpli human simpli divin quotat not identifi and not clear posit loren take for clariti note that view express classic christolog heresi monothelit that posit that christ two natur not complet that will case includ thi exampl human will that regard miss peopl talk christ human natur imperson mean somewhat abstract sens that person hypostati not usual english sens person thi us doctrin call anhypostasia person anhypostasia sophist deni that logo human fulli never formal rule heresi and fact held influenti theologian ancient and modern athanasiu quotat appear farther even athanasiu into realm overtli heret clh
soc.religion.christian	arsenokoitai scrogg cont jame deyoung scrogg robin scrogg built discuss predecessor and suggest twist word scrogg believ that arsenokoitai hellenist jewish coinag perhap influenc awar rabbin terminolog term deriv lev lxx juxtapos two word arseno male and koiten bed and repres hebrew miskab zabar ly male believ that paul not origin term borrow circl hellenist jew acquaint rabbin discuss invent avoid contact usual greek terminolog thi true scrogg observ explain word not greco roman discuss pederasti and patrist writer avoid meaningless nativ speak greek scrogg take second part activ word and word object second part differ boswel learn discuss scrogg understand gener mean li male narrow refer preced malokoi cor scrogg interpret effemin call boi arsenokoitai activ partner malako mistress hire occas satisfi sexual desir arsenokoitai not refer homosexu gener femal homosexu gener model pederasti cannot refer modern gai model affirm thi scrogg interpret term tim combin pornoi fornic arsenokoitai and andrapodistai slave dealer refer male prostitut male lie and slave dealer procur refer that specif form pederasti consist enslav boi youth for sexual purpos and us boi adult male even mind pagan author condemn thi form pederasti instanc arsenokoitai cor and tim interpret appar gener condemn femal and male homosexu rom paul had had pederasti mind cannot paul contemporari model adult adult mutual sex relat ship relat term context and contemporari ethic concern scrogg emphas point that specif item list vice cor deliber intend mean paul form and function catalogu vice tradit and stereotyp relationship individu item list and context nonexist conclud that paul not care specif item list basi mean term and literari phenomenon catalogu vice scrogg argu that scriptur irrelev and provid heat debat todai model todai christian homosexu commun model attack that biblic judgment homosexu not relev todai debat longer us denomin discuss homosexu weapon justifi refus ordin reaction interpret arsenokoitai wright recent year posit bailei boswel and scrogg come closer scrutini perhap critic evalu boswel view that david wright thorough articl wright point shortcom boswel treatment arsenokoitai fault boswel for fail cite cite inaccur refer lev and church father such eusebiu apostol constitut clement alexandria tertullian and origen boswel not consid possibl that term deriv form mean leviticu passag thi signific for term deriv refut boswel claim that half word arseno denot not object gender second half koitai lxx mean male sleep male make arseno object wright fault boswel claim linguist featur term includ suggest parallel boswel claim that compound arseno emploi object and arreno emploi adject wright believ that differ two dialect divers semant import attach differ two form wright believ that compound second half verb verbal forc half denot object and second part substantiv half denot gender boswel treatment earli church father that wright take special issu fail cite sourc for exampl aristid apolog arrenomanei androbaten and arsenokoitia basic mean male homosexu contrari boswel discuss boswel fail cite hippolytu refut omn haer and improperli cite eusebiu and syriac writer bardensan syriac term that ident syriac cor and tim wright show earli church father us arsenokoitai parallel paidophthoria refer male homosexu teenag domin form male homosexu greek sometim thi parallel occur threefold list moicheia adulteri porneia fornic and paidophthoria arsenokoitai replac paidophthori clement alexandria protr cite second tabl ten command you not kill moicheusei you not commit adulteri paidophthoresei you not practic homosexu boi you not steal anoth occurr arsenokoitein commit homosexu exist sibyllin oracl wright observ that word coin jewish pre christian writer hellenist set repres sib book wright discuss arsenokoitai rhetoriu drew centuri writer teucer macariu and john faster last bear idea homosexu intercours contrari boswel wright repli boswel content that term not absent literatur homosexu that denot wright point that not expect writer prior centuri sinc not exist that greek us dozen word and phrase refer homosexu that sourc didach show acquaint paul letter deliber avoid cite scriptur and that boswel neglect cite church father boswel treatment chrysostom draw wright attent boswel conspicu misrepres wit chrysostom omit refer and assert patent untru chrysostom long uncompromis and clear indict homosexu homili rom boswel exagger chrysostom infrequ us term wright observ that boswel signal fail demonstr arsenokoit etc patent not denot male homosexu activ infrequ rel technic natur and avail such term paidophthoria that prevail form male homosexu greco roman world wright survei latin syriac and coptic translat tim and cor render arsenokoitai word that reflect mean homosexu understand arseno object second half word primari version support boswel limit conclus base wright conclud discuss observ catalogu vice literari form believ that such list develop late judaism hellenist jew wrote clear condemn homosexu greek world thi parallel increas concern part moral philosoph homosexu indulg term into influenc lxx that writer spoke gener male activ male specif categor male sexual engag paid arsenokoitai and paidophthoria interchang encompass summari wright seek show that arsenokoitai broad term mean homosexu and aris judaism view boswel scrogg and limit term activ male prostitut pederasti signific support linguist and histor studi question wright posit william peterson that into good stuff histor linguist studi thi will includ symposium plato doubt modern understand homosexu understood contemmpl time paul thi will clear thing will review paul us lev and for law fulfil not lev univers and chapter gener put that longer hold true todai cultur stick for thi scrogg testament and homosexu phil independ conclus appar connect made sophocl greek lexicon roman byzantin period discuss thing paul languag rom thi doubt cautiou word zaa cor homosexu condon corinthian church sblasp observ that word moixai malakoi and arsenokoitai part jewish anti gentil polem paul wor end vice list and such you that paul address real potenti abus ethic messag not cite primit tradit rote wright disput zaa attempt associ term idolatri boswel treatment rom articl hai relat natur and unnatur respons john boswel exegesi roman jre spring excel critiqu wright homosexu prostitut mean arsenokoitai cor tim unpublish paper henri mendel arsenokoitai boswel paul effect refutr boswel claim philolog arsenokoitai find mean gener male sex male wright endnot list addit sourc church father notic tendenc boswel fail cite refer sodom and sodomi apocrypha and pseudepigrapha deyoung critiqu prohomosexu interpret apocrypha and pseudepigrapha bsac light claim made boswel that infrequ arsenokoitai point mean lack homosexu signific wright ask pertin philo josephu us paidofthoria josephu paiderastia and clement not us and chrysostom recent articl homosexu 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soc.religion.christian	mari assumpt david bernard central sun dave bernard write don necess holi parent sanctifi normal human sound inabl grasp immens god grace incarn dinari human elizabeth greet mari elizabeth effect that mari women bless appear that thi exactli place mari whoa dude don jump you made bless give you that you mean sanctif normal human mohammad khan khan nova gmi edu juli send mail mkhan nyx edu respons thi letter post bounc mail nyx account
soc.religion.christian	cathol doctrin predestin articl geneva rutger edu crep lateran uc indiana edu stephen crep cathol doctrin predestin not exclud free will sinc god that happen free will and chang happen sinc god choic will make advanc god not subject time argument pit predestin free will issu semant not call pre determin rrrrr bbbbb robert pomeroi rrrr bbbbb keel bbbbb address hawthorn hall keel staffordshir england term time
soc.religion.christian	cathol doctrin predestin stephen crep write cathol doctrin predestin not exclud free will sinc god that happen free will and chang happen sinc god choic will make advanc god not subject time argument pit predestin free will that last sentenc steve import rememb thing cathol religion that cannot complet comprehend human thi not case good evid that religion man made case predestin you reconcil two thing that irreconcil sovereignti god will thing and man free will decid fate cathol that doesn mean that come pat reconcili thought that goedel famou theorem applic cathol dogma analog sens thing that true that cannot prove god intellect our truth that will never understand
soc.religion.christian	mari bless women dave bernard write elizabeth greet mari word bless art thou women luke appear that thi place mari sanctif normal human deborah judg bless women jael wife heber kenit bless women tent can doubtless that jael slai sisera type mari victori sin even deborah word appli prophet symbol mari applic liter jael mean that god us part plan for deliver peopl and that thi common mari reason suppos that mean that sinless and reason express appli mari proof that sinless jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	relev subject line recent post bear subject line serbian genocid work god text contain line devot defenc doctrin predestin appli salvat individu line post script balkan natur and easi subject line post that repli focu shift keep subject can confus thi intend gener request post mention handiest exampl jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	arsenokoitai mean meta exegesi convict sin part return question stipul that paul meant us arseonkoitai refer exactli levit prohibit male male sex order bring problem stipul plausibl that paul coin term for thi usag question want turn that mean for paul reader and for christian thi shorter last note will that thi question rapidli confront major divis christ bodi and not open gate for flame across terribl chasm that separ fellow christian bias loos characteriz liber will evid not grind ax parti that hard reach closur issu involv strike heart each wai crucial gospel christ stipul paul intent question can reader understand thi intent and that question second proper action manag understand sinc paul not singl clue mean text corinthian two posit answer and neg thi question paul apollo apostol commun convei corinthian tradit jewish condem nation homosexu behavior and paul expect suffici tutor thi tradit that futher explan note that evid letter corinthian for such supposit spirit will teach paul mean not paul god mean paul inspir word choic don and cannot guess pre cision for comparison parallel us paul passag word pleonektai you that areseonkoitai obviou root cut your teeth thi word neb translat grabber even methusoi drunkard thi advantag common insult that hint mean posit can allow exagger for sake argument defin classic cathol attitud tradit form protest sola scriptura and liber critic demand for evid posit strength and weak unquestion that gospel preach and commun christ discipl and successor and that scriptur emerg thi commun tradit case that noth thi tradit almost centuri paul that access tradit gener possibl confus transmiss scriptur document tradit critic era not born water and spirit revert john attempt explain paul hope stand gospel nicodemu had tradit men vain elev reason can prevent spirit blow will paraclet kamikaz downsid protest belief efficaci spirit guid scriptur that wing protestant that take thi fragment diverg understand supposedli deriv clear word god note classic lutheran calvinist and anglican thought constrain scriptur read tradit even reserv judgment tradit scriptur bizarr form will read scriptur primarili fring aspect cultic protestant main problem thi approach that appar mean for person convei anoth that feel teach receiv spirit and histori show incred conflict christian thi point each mind convinc that led spirit can urg point sens potenti for set christian christian purpos critic approach distinct advantag that can reach conclus can lai data open weak obviou corollari thi not word acknowledg bia complaint critic methodolog that dissolv faith sure faith that cannot honestli face evalu ation evid problem mere theologi helpless address and unfortun possibl schism liber and conserv posit basi extrem zealot posit and cathol sens author and tradit constrain argument contra secondari posit that despit horrend strain rome not like find issu ultim divis protest world will and anglican will predict muddl media attempt give each posit due due second question suppos tradit tell and lot spiritu christian and critic thought admit that paul refer flat univers levit prohibit male male sex can abdic person responsi biliti tradit and dictat answer precis inherit tradit not question that danger exampl christ question pharise and us tradit despit urg matthew that heed exampl peter and radic paul jettison tradit that led spirit call into question jesu and peter and paul not throw tradit subject radic critic coupl basic ground weightier demand law justic and merci and good faith matthew and two command love god neighbor hand law and prophet matthew fundament deriv christ valid challeng tradit valid that led gener waiv applic torah gentil convert vastli that directli deduc jesu report word and deed signifi failur imagin postul that tradit that specif challeng fact open challeng tradit pass men tradit men that god lead even that tradit sourc spiritu instruct will freeli grant tradit inher human and inher corrupt and fall corrupt noth immun challeng spirit show failur justic merci and good faith noth ultim stand follow love god and love neighbor perfectli will grant that blind sin that spirit taught anoth refus teach dens learn that tradit tradit that occas superstiti christian appeal justinian earthquak asia minor and scapego sodomit earthquak that legisl pass make homosexu behavior capit offens that accord gospel christ christian that human tradit hate and viciou and noth that unbidden erupt usenet peopl quick condemn slow understand that lead spirit want part found obedi lord that total depend wit christian for truth that live bodi christ and doubt that gai christian god gamaliel doubt pharise suppress earliest church care you deal peopl thi enterpris thi movement human origin will break accord fact come god you will not unabl destroi you find fight god act that you listen your tradit and read your scriptur mind and soul open spirit and past histori christian wit willing challeng tradit and read scriptur read author scribe and rabbi and submiss declar that depend love god and neighbor studi evid learn histori christian oppress christian tradit and eager judg jesu and paul not judg and wit spirit live your fellow christian includ not your prefer theologi guid you god truth michael siemon you god son ml panix high you nevertheless you die men and fall ml ulyss att princ psalm ambigu your discuss posit whether you speak tradit paul time our two wai us tradit that paul and reader share tradit make sens interpret word context that share tradit that make that argument word turn silli that paul background that puritan sex sex consist that background tone remark homosexu rom consist that background even word sin list aren gener term for homosexu activ and that evid that not piec evid for will evid that paul share common jewish reject homosexu you identifi cathol posit that hors color cathol posit involv continu church tradit argument specif that tradit can guidanc interpret paul origin mean tradit church father interpret and gain confid that prohibit appli time univers judgement church time and our thi somewhat us tradit radic protest will us cent tradit illumin paul origin mean not us cathol posit answer question attitud homosexu clh
soc.religion.christian	daili vers dishonest monei dwindl gather monei make grow proverb
soc.religion.christian	secret ceremoni mormon templ shellgat llo psi larri overack write articl atho rutger edu mserv mozart iup edu mail server write don necessarili object secreci question sinc biblic reason aspect christian worship involv secreci earli church histori catechumen dismiss prior celebr eucharist secret give rise rumor that christian cannib and sort pervers claim action consid holi observ christian potenti danger for individu christian identifi larri overack llo shell sig delet for breviti larri for repli thi isn quit thing can understand christian deni access holi ceremoni ceremoni communion not secret fact gospel record break bread detail communion fellowship meal and and opinion inappropri invit not share fellowship bodi christ fact that unbeliev deni access commun meal began imagin sort secret and debas ritual communion not mean impli that earli christian fact hide shame thing gener public fact you read earli church father you will find that not bash describ communion that funni mormon claim true restor centuri christian insist hide ritual ground that sacr mark that not quit case john omit central element last supper gospel full symbol bread and wine actual stori isn peopl omit detail not talk public commun evid that aspect baptism practic secret morton smith secret gospel don agre lurid specul secret practic evid that mark omit detail inappropri for public clh
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic articl atho rutger edu ta pegasu len howard eddi peopl battl describ rev describ cast satan heaven and fall earth shalom len howard check jude you concord handi check refer star gener mean angel
soc.religion.christian	dream and bodi incid articl atho rutger edu alisonjw spider alison wyld write alisonjw spider alison wyld make clear don and never oob tend limit for christian
soc.religion.christian	immacul concept articl atho rutger edu seanna bnr seanna watson write articl atho rutger edu jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler write refer mari immacul conceiv and never subject origin sin never commit person sin life thi special degre grace grant god quit problem idea that mari never commit sin mari fulli human for god miracul make person free origin sin and free commit sin life purpos incarn jesu can god repeat miracl for mari make rest sinless for repent and salvat and that concept mari sinless odd rest christian doctrin understand two street god gave grace avoid sin visit gabriel gave fiat total accept god will thi fiat summar cathol regard highest human that god chose and that accept know thi advanc extrapol that stain subject origin sin god creat miracul free choos not choos sin suffici for dai evil thereof and grace god command thi amount grace precis determin god amount requir god ask grace each not choos accept jesu fulli human and never sin god creat person chose thing creat despit flaw prove love continu draw perfect for purpos for confid that will accomplish god repeat miracul creation mother son will that leav joe moor
soc.religion.christian	harold camp you read harold camp book biblic evidenc that point septemb probabl time christ second come inform book and read for christian you can your local bookstor for peac not clh
soc.religion.christian	contradict mormon contradict relat moral issu polygami mormon write book book mormon call book jacob joseph smith wrote that abomin god for david and solomon wive joseph smith wrote doctrin and coven possibl polygami issu person life wrote that not abomin for david wive mormon answer thi contradict link hudson
soc.religion.christian	imprecatori psalm paul fortmann submit sermon peter hammond prai for justic that spoke posit imprecatori curs psalm thi connect recommend membership book reflect psalm lewi special refer chapter curs psalm jame kiefer
soc.religion.christian	portland earthquak bill rea cctr cantua canterburi wrote theologi clash theologi local prophet deep understand mosaic coven and actut awar intern event that jeremiah spoke prophesi judgement prophesi deepli load theolog mean opinion portland earthquak prophesi and david wilkerson york will burn prophesi froth and bubbl compar majest theolog depth jeremiah prophesi perhap thing ad that jeremiah prophesi come destruct jerusalem understood peopl that time full frontal assault understand relationship lord todai gener populac hear prophesi portland earthquak york will burn context relationship lack lord like that result fever imagin religi nutter that reason deep suspici bald judgement prophesi explan reason for judgement thi doesn long wind rel modern exampl abraham lincoln second inaugur speech relev section below thi type spiritu insight miss prophesi post excerpt abraham lincoln inaugur speech read bibl and prai god and each invok aid strang that men dare god assist wring bread sweat men face judg not that not judg prayer not answer that answer fulli almighti purpos woe world offenc for that offenc come woe that man offenc cometh suppos that american slaveri offenc provdenc god come continu appoint time will remov and that north and south thi terribl war woe due offenc discern departur divin attribut believ live god ascrib fondli hope fervent prai that thi mighti scourg war speedili pass god will that continu wealth pile bond man two hundr and fifti year unrequit toil sunk and drop blood drawn lash paid anoth drawn sword thousand year ago judgment lord true and righteou altogeth malic chariti for firm god strive finish work bind nation wound care for born battl and for widow and orphan achiev and cherish and last peac ourselv and nation bill rea bill rea comput servic centr mail rea csc canterburi univers canterburi cctr csc canterburi christchurch zealand phone fax
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christian geneva rutger edu noy midwai uchicago edu vera shanti noy write articl atho rutger edu carlson larc nasa gov ann carlson write bibl vers us homosexu delet think gai and christian not compat check digniti integr light presbyterian church affirm mcc church etc meet gai christian find prai discuss scriptur and form your opinion check episcop church mean episcopalian sympathet homosexu men and women fairli larg percentag experi good friend episcopalian minist ordain and live monogam homosexu relationship thi diminish abil minist fact signific ministri gai and lesbian associ commun signific aid ministri thi sound argument pro homosexu crowd give support church member that involv incestu relationship substitut mean episcopalian sympathet incestu men and women fairli larget percentag experi good friend episcopalian minist ordain and live monogam incestu relationship thi diminish abil minist fact signific ministri incest associ commun standard appli not not and ballpark bestial can recal offhand direct statement bibl sex anim that activ sanction avoid respons such you take thi extrem guess that disproportion percentag inerr bibl commun view homosexu act distast manner that societi larg view incest scott coke scott coke rockwel for davidian not speak not davidian for opinion express mine and not repres rockwel you can replac homosexu statement murder sleep late that doesn mean that peopl accept substitut question whether relationship involv fact form vehicl repres christ relationship human thi partli empir question case type human relationship reject time lead troubl that case slaveri can argu that theori you follow paul guidelin christian slavehold practic period time peopl conclus that can that degre control anoth and not abus messag you respond ask you result christian commun that endors homosexu note christian homosexu not peopl you new advoc extremist agenda you not want base your decis complet that kind observ argu that relev you can answer request ask you shouldn incest associ fact such associ reason for you that doesn mean that result such examin necessarili come part aren group push relax standard that produc bad result clh
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic articl atho rutger edu ta pegasu len howard write eddi peopl battl describ rev describ cast satan heaven and fall earth shalom len howard luke that heareth you heareth and that despiseth you despiseth and that despiseth despiseth that and seventi return joi lord even devil subject thy name and beheld satan lightn fall heaven prayer todai spoken offer for bridg heaven broken and you lost wild wild sea lost wild wild sea
soc.religion.christian	major view triniti articl atho rutger edu swf elsegundoca ncr stan friesen wrote simpli put not that platon essenc real exist essenc platon sens not refer can imaginari concept invent provid explan for thing explain wai you quit confid that essenc not exist propos defin be can thing can definit can definit and essenc properti be properti god properti number exist realiti abstract entiti invent uniti god primari and trialiti secondari modal aspectu relat role mode interact sinc mean god post alt messian possibl tri theism phiolosoph point view ted kalivoda tedr athena uga edu institut higher educ univers georgia athen
soc.religion.christian	daili vers that you purifi obei truth that you sincer love for your brother love anoth deepli heart ipet
soc.religion.christian	mari and idol studi bibl for year love not familiar denomin tradit common belief christian group heard peopl thi new group describ idol such power monei materi possess etc thing worship sens suppos never gave idol thought read post thi new group found dai ago and question not question belief push view haven thi long view cannot heaven good understand that christ bore sin cross that save and repent realiz that time sin stick sharp stick christ side punish for sin di cross studi mari never come that that statu mari consid idol peopl prai statu mari sound educ christian educ mari sinless wow hope spend summer convinc tongu read charismat chao guess studi tongu parallel read thi new group you can give will appreci don issu that peopl educ you that that come tradit thi discuss cathol and protest cathol gener that mari sinless protest not issu come sourc author protest gener limit bibl sourc doctrin sinc thi isn bibl passag that understand thi didn protest don accept cathol continu revel church result consist bibl interpret your post not call for anoth argument whether cathol marian devot idolatri argument not prepar new sign interest learn tradit your cathol major mean gener major tradit cathol orthodox and subset protestant protestant matter fine you want cut thing dai major divis accept biblic inerr and don number major histor tradit recent decad distinct tend blur identifi major protest tradit lutheran reform anglican sort halfwai cathol and protest wesleyan baptist holi pentecost church christ number histor distinct tend not import liber church anymor and current trend societi and church tend make conserv alli gener evangel perspect differ tradit quit mark introduct issu read good book church histori understand church understand church histori will show you each tradit and give feel for natur librari moment don specif recommend clh
soc.religion.christian	resum revis resum and wonder put fact that christian give input you jimmi buddenberg ccjim vax cn muskingum edu student system analyst muskingum colleg
soc.religion.christian	acta sanctorum english whether acta sanctorum huge multi volum collect roman cathol hagiographi produc bollandist translat into english work vita dympna and love check translat email repli prefer thi queri turn gener interest liz broadwel ebroadw mail sa upenn edu depart english majorem dei gloriam univers pennsylvania
soc.religion.christian	pastortalk pastortalk weekli dialogu local pastor new dai carl gene wilk startext compuserv internet compuserv thi week thought last week suprem court refus comment hear appeal renssela school offici desir distribut bibl public school rel lower court had ban local gideon intern bibl distribut group pass bibl grader aclu barri lynn quot that court action protect religi neutral public school that school serv student faith and school not bazaar rival religi group compet for convert lynn gideon men respons for put bibl hospit and hotel member church similar stori allow distribut bibl sidewalk school cannot insid school mild harass parent not want children receiv bibl stranger will continu work distanc find school posit somewhat dishearten understand ration and logic court posit and can sens fair for group hand neutral becom nihil plural turn into posit coupl ironi that can pass condom not bibl school that for moment that seek religi neutral school countri russia practic religi neutral for past seventi year make bibl part public school curriculum petersburg march church work had train public school teacher teach bibl and govern had request hundr recent heard medic doctor presid gideon chapter moscow eagerli invit univers moscow distribut bibl student and class time explain content rememb photograph thi doctor hold bibl and speak univers student stand statu lenin that iron admit two thing pluralist societi and faith equal foot thi countri found group school ground creat bazaar atmospher each citi work inclus religion and provid hear for two vital religi faith not depend whether not public arena acknowledg valid and you knew thi come disallow distribut bibl law abid care adult school signal onc cultur movement singular base individu and nation can make moral and ethic decis you mail box you not want print your letter your name good column time coverstori teen sexual agre moral educ home home don kind moral want taught famili work smoke dope primari famili activ anoth act incest famili matter lot sicker john hightow john agre that home ain us and home not place learn base sexual that thi church can come into plai famili you speak not come church seek inform not church build that youth famili you mention will disregard free inform school writer note view thi column not necessarili reflect view member church legaci drive baptist church plano
soc.religion.christian	feel parallel will stupidli call homosexu issu and atheist issu offens comparison homosexu feel thing that admit not feel learn that feel classifi homosexu feel and learn model sexual that appli feel can fit experi that thi model sens understand situat model that not match feel will discard wonder onc accept idea gai and decid exactli that mean will analyz feel and experi base definit accept valid model that hard understand listen parallel christian feel thing that atheist claim not feel christian accept christian theologi true descript feel mean onc accept thi model interpret experi regard thi model valid christian remind christian cathol don hate homosexu atheist understand compar foreign blind homosexu atheist blind prejud atheist denial religi experi homosexu prejud attempt societi deni sexual lunch chri mussack
soc.religion.christian	maria goretti read thi stori maria goretti post two week ago bit confus clear that daili life probiti and sanctiti afraid don quit understand final episod life read correctli and church appar felt that rape sin part perfidi that die commit thi case afraid that disagre strongli can explain thi christ david cruz urib sfo
soc.religion.christian	satan kick heaven biblic atho rutger edu ta pegasu len howard write question satan taught long time ago that satan angel god and kick heaven challeng god author problem cannot find thi bibl bibl not origin ref rev delet read ezek thi desctipt lucif satan and beauti etc etc grant for god not spirit fear spirit love power and sound mind tim phone
soc.religion.christian	hate sin wjhovi ulkyvx louisvil edu bill hovingh lpt student write scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate sin love sinner heard that quit bit recent context discuss christian and homosexu context isn that import question whether that statement consist christian not grate for scott reflect thi oft quot phrase remind scriptur sourc for rom doesn count kid manner thi piec convent wisdom appli experi uniformli hate and destruct billh underlin mine quean lutibel appli hatefulli serv alter bibl reflect view scene samaria woman husband jesu listen your rock readi good biblic fun whisper that doesn husband secret power that had you samaritan and wors live gui that not even marri love and you rais rock bibl and threaten good stone understand hate sin love sinner prioriti strait folk year misunderstand and cancel sin scene golgatha thief you raw deal man didn catch you wrong caught bleed jesu son real clear you you wrong you repent absolut you repent nice room for you heaven you you thiev cancel your reserv nice you piti hang you understand thi act not hurt god you and point thi teach you perfect you simpl kind remark suffer you favor you twice you will repent you will becom fundel good stand such bad new you deliv good god you you you quean lutibel louie louie crew academ foundat depart rutger univers nwk lcrew andromeda rutger edu snail prefer box newark
soc.religion.christian	homosexu issu christiani hope pass resolut that state that member church agre disagre issu admit that side honestli studi scriptur and had spirit lead conclus work last year abort issu threaten thing and hope that can foster love and care attitud peopl disagre view cliff slaughterbeck peopl not will note that church not will live thi kind compromis ordin women thing that will prevent person presbyterian minist that don accept ordin women argument that can half church not accept leader half peopl will clh interest for folk that church scotland presbyterian church manag agre disagre women ordin for year reason that congreg free call and that minist and session choos elder congreg not woman not oblig and session not not forc note that issu freedom call part congreg import thi year annivarsari disrupt church split that issu didn back togeth for almost year coupl year ago anniversari allow women ordin posit chang that theori minist and elder recognis that women can ordain theori minist refus ordain woman session refus work woman minist presbyteri disciplin practic thi not happen and happen person view that legisl mistak and that permiss not prescript legisl work start round homosexu debat year assembl thi year motion put ban bless sex coupl edinburgh minist panel doctrin marriag and will report year matter will consid and debat hope thi interest alison
soc.religion.christian	daili vers not command you strong and courag not terrifi not discourag for lord your god will you wherev you joshua
soc.religion.christian	soc religion christian articl geneva rutger edu revdak netcom andrew kill write anni dozier dozier utkux utk edu wrote read post thi newsgroup for past month becom appar that thi group primarili activ liber cathol ager and athiest etc sinc conserv protest time religion believ exclus francis christian christian and divers and contenti tradit and thi group reflect that divers not readi conced group liber conserv cathol protest orthodox charismat not claim that truth and not christian increasingli convinc that paul illustr bodi part narrowli easi that bodi repres sect christian gener and part offic ministri place for that met peopl walk close god wide varieti doctin cathol protest liber conserv orthodox etc will encompass wide spectrum view context bodi christ and equal that dai shug thi mortal coil longer glass darkli face face will asham thing held truth fellowship worship and serv call and understand that call not call father reform can recal name put quit succient essenti uniti nonessenti liberti thing chariti agre lewi mere christian that call oneself christian impli basic fundament standard belief word mean defin bound essenti bit broadli deni place for liberti question issu bound and ignor requir chariti togeth attend vineyard church speak tongu effect inerrantist grant inaccuraci translat moder pre mill and evangel not readi damn us icon mass latin uphold virgin mari don that sinless vote church membership insist baptism for salvat doctin pretti close truth follow believ closer truth understand realiti walk christ continu evolv spend and time walk studi word and fellowship extend famili read night and south winter eliot wast land marlatt prov univers colorado marlatt spot colorado edu nation center for atmospher research marlatt neit cgd ucar edu
soc.religion.christian	baptism requir faith articl jhpb sarto budd lake joseph buehler write cathol view effect baptism slightli differ and that primari reason baptiz babi that baptism produc chang soul babi quit independ volit act part babi thi chang babi soul infant capabl that not baptism sinc infant not us intellect and will faculti dormant child get older gift baptism come and into plai guess react strongli thi line think carri you your armi stronger mine you righteous children and baptiz you for you cannot possibl put thi kind action crusad into context teach jesu god advoc approach that design made appeal call not chosen church practic you and effect switch chang come and you baptiz answer not fool folli thou answer fool folli wise conceit proverb
soc.religion.christian	arsenokoitai continu part us permiss sourc and mean arsenokoitai implic for christian ethic and ministri jame deyoung petersen recent wright understand question direct studi william petersen found linguist confus english word homosexu mean arsenokoitai fault wright and english bibl translaion for render homosexu cor and tim sens petersen coalesc bailei boswel and scrogg into singl assert that reiter effect posit bailei find homosexu unaccept translat anachronist major disjunct exist contemporari thought and terminolog and thought and terminolgi paul time thi disjunct base histor and linguist fact accordingli ancient greek and roman societi treat male sexual polyval and character person sexual sexual act virtual form behavior transvest accept christian simpli ad categori natur and unnatur describ action ancient societi noth categori homosexu and heterosexu and assum that word dover quot approvingli petersen respond time homosexu and heterosexu stimuli contrast thi modern usag virtual limit term homosexu desir and propens benkert coin german term equival homosexu us refer orient implus affect prefer and noth sexual act petersen proce cite supplement oxford english dictionari defin homosexu propens desir mention act petersen point that homosexu for arsenokoitai wrongfulli read modern concept back into earli histori equival concept exist translat inaccur includ celib homophil incorrectli exlud heterosexu engag homosexu act and incorrectli includ femal homosexu prior cognit structur inour societi antiqu modern bifurc human into homosexu and hetersosexu made senc forego clarifi petersen feel that translatio homosexu mistaken that petersen mistaken histor and linguist philolog ground phase thi paper will critic examin petersen posit justif for translat arsenokoitai homosexu histor ground refut forego opposit traslat arsenokoitai homosexu begin histor and cultur evid sinc virtual acknowledg that word not paul usag histor set earlier write reveal that ancient understand homosexu prior and contemporari paul goal discov wheither ancient conceiv homosexu homosexu orient similar present dai concept peterson bailei boswel and scrogg claim that homosexu condit desir propens invers call cannot part definit term assert thi term limit act kind boswel activ male prostitut scrogg pederasti homosexu condit unknown ancient time bailei petersen discuss will show posit legitim attent will devot postion address below linguist ground regard posit rightfulli not homosexu condit exist modern phenomenon univers alleg todai exist includ ancient time even lack sophist discuss evid show that ancient pre christian and christian not knew total spectrum sexual behavior includ form sex activ transvest includ knoew sex orient condit petersen admit that plato symposium sole except ancient ingnor thi condit discount thi believ that even act decid factor thi signific except worthi call except addit evid for homosexu condit symposium plato strongest evid for knowledg homosexu condit plato posit sex compris mail femal androgynon man woman origin natur palai physi consist kind human be zeu slice human be half weaken that not threat god each person seek half opposit sex sex plato quot aristoph each talli man sinc show flatfish trace slice two and each search for talli that will fit men section that composit sex that call man woman woman courter adulter descend that sex whenc likewis deriv mancourt women and adulteress women section woman great fanci for men incllin women and thi stock minion men section male pursu masculin and long boyhood last show slice male make griend men and delight lie and clasp men embrasc finest boi and stripl for manli natur shameless creatur fals for behavior due not shameless dare manli and viril sinc quick evid thi fact that reach matur alon prove public career men come man estat boi lover and natur interest wive and get children thing stress custom quit content live togeth unwed dai man thi sort rate born lover boi will mate man eagerli greet kind whether boi lover lover sort happen half two wondrous thrill affect and intimaci and love and induc leav each side for singl moment continu togeth life not even anoth two person offer opportun fuse togeth for long live even hade aristophan that each unreservedli deem that had offer yearn for time observ thi text order lesbian contempl will male homosexu natur interest ton noun physei refelect modern concept propens inclin word born lover boi will mate man paiderast kai philerast gignetai reflect modern claim born thi homosexu idea mutual two wondrous thrill affect and intimaci and love present aristophan even speak mutual love ingrain mankind reassembl earli estat ero emphyto allelon toi anthropoi kai te archaia physeo synagogeu concept perman continu togeth life present mention and allus permaneci mutal gai pride pederasti homophobia motiv desir passion and natur love and work recogniz ancient thought love homosexu apart action speaker symposium argu that motiv homosexu crucial monei offic influenc etc bring reproach mention love soul not bodi tow kind love bodi and each desir and passion speaker discuss principl matter love desir love and male natur noteworthi speech socrat devot attent explain desir relat love and object desir felt for not provid present for not not lack thi object desir and love socrat distinguish sort love and work love thi ancient philosoph realm seaual act disposit natur wor signific for pederasti summari virtual element modern discuss love and homosexu anticip symposium plato petersen error claim that ancient homosexu act not inclin orient widespread evid contrai support biblic support for homosexu inclin context homosexu act discrib add case for ancient distinct rom such phrase reason heart foolish desir heart and reprob mind prove paul concern for disposit and inclin work evil even catologu vice introd tim conclud cor word describ peopl not habit betrai peopl lord jesu taught matt condit import outer act rise petersen err particular transvest appar accept ancient practic canaanit syrian peopl asia minor greek driver moralist and jewish writer record condemn for exampl seneca moral epistl condemn homosexu exploit that forc adult slave dress beardless and behav woman philo length describ homosexu dai and dress women special law iii virtu justifi prohibit cross dress even forbad interchang cloth sex deut petersen wrong attribut christian creat label natur and unnatur for sexual behavior not begin paul rom back ancient greec and even christian contemporari us plato test naph philo josephu plutarch and us word relat concept linguist ground footnot petersen can arsenokoitai translat homosexu cor tim dover greek homosexu cambridg harvard univ consciou fact that plato write not reflect athenian societi that speaker symposium not reflect plato view assum that and thi agre dover homosexu and evid cite below translat that lamb plato symposioum lcl cambridg harvard univ note refer adulteress homosexu condit deriv birth gene logic adulter conditon deriv birth symposium told that heavenli love love male and young men thi not love for boi young outlaw such love youth perman lifelong and abid homosexu love consid disgrac such attitud due encroach ruler and cowardic rule earli charg homophobia athen honor love openli secret ancient express come closet mutal present thi compel lover and belov alik feel zealou concern for virtu for petersen label symposium except posit inadequ and misrepres signific wit greek societi hundr year time christ dover homosexu find homosexu desir and orient plato work symposioum and phaedru and philo write habitu practiv homosexu act special law vita contemplativa josephu that homosexu had becom fix habit for apion clement alexandria matt write men birth fhave natur avers woman and natur consitit not marri miscellani address novella justinian codex law refer consum thi diseas renounc plagu act pseudo lucian erost and achil tatiu leucipp and clitophon speak final thucydid great you glori you fall not below standard natur set for your sex boswel christian cite poet juven ovid witer martial statesmen cicero and describ perman mutual homosexu relationship even marriag even emperor gai marri nero exlus gai hadrian boswel scrogg homosexu admit that invers and pervers exist past discuss refer adult mutual homosexu and lesbian relationship dismiss specif driver critic and exeget commentari deuteronomi edinburgh observ that prohibit cross dress deut not mere rule convent proprieti dover homosexu plato last work seek show virtuou citizen condemn pederasti and marriag men natur para phosin law test naph sodomit chang order natur jewish writer philo abraham and josephu ant label sexual deviat natur final centuri moralist such plutarch dianlogu love spoke homosexu natur christian not invent label natur and unnatur young mean natur roman and implic for biblic prosecript homosexu behavior jet dec
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin alan alan idler aidler sol uvic write alan can analyz lord address marvel alan not that thee born john alan jesu direct remark nicodemu alan ruler jew not child jesu made gener and doctrin statement convers flesh birth flesh spirit birth spirit john infant not born spirit baptism unspiritu not born imag god adam fallen imag gen righteous adult righteous imput righteous christ believ receiv faith alan can ourselv lord even introduc alan concept spiritu birth baptism newborn babi alan weren free sin your point obscur you that christ us innoc newborn babe metaphor for spiritu birth thi not you text not speak spiritu birth spiritu birth born spirit onc not twice time born flesh onc lord make clear that separ and event true that scriptur refer spiritu birth birth second birth for exampl titu not second spiritu birth thing two birth common concept birth us symbol life not innoc infant born conceiv life begun innoc righteou similarli that individu baptiz perhap prior baptism begin life christ roman colossian titu ephesian believ god assur forgiv sin and christ imput righteous for refer augsburg confess articl origin sin apolog augsburg confess articl origin sin formula concord articl origin sin and luther larg catech part baptism for recent baptiz into god famili doctrin infant baptism andrew da northwestern publish hous andrew graduat concordia lutheran seminari loui and pursu doctor studi yale divin school david wagner mad reason rush confession lutheran and baptism not dazzl work regard worthless martin luther larg catech part baptism
soc.religion.christian	info need can thi concis inform gather ventur express christian church husband and come complet christian background lutheran met and born and rais church christ member agre lot want move liturg base lutheran church biblic base last year regret chang church christ for number reason for thing not fundamentalist and that thing bibl socio cultur natur and don relat christian doctrin sorest spot role women that mari and women chri valid women worthi discipl write paul except and told that not equal partner marriag lesser member submit husband thing hear that vers time and not activ role constru put author men lead prayer conduct bibl studi etc last straw elder church colleg group women and want man lead studi husband and resent church feel that you aren conserv republican you aren real christian told that vote for clinton call christian subject servic long prayer call for thing flatli dont agre don agre dread movement led young peopl church hunt success want biblic base church women view peopl matter call look career women christoph for church deepli root religi convict adult baptism and church member bring bibl servic confus and drift find place feel love and can express faith honestli and reserv can point direct thrill afraid that will hard for back and even harder for stai churchless for long respons diel famili baptist spectrum you find you for issu flavor specif local church your area denomin baptist cover quit spectrum adult baptism sort narrow your choic liber end spectrum histor that associ movement that charact you avoid clh
soc.religion.christian	homosexu bryan whitsel whitsebd nextwork rose hulman edu wrote recent mail mention technic messeng aren even human can case homosexu even rape jude refer sodom meaning context sodomit lust for flesh angel applic homosexu behavior gener posit gai christian large speciou angel flesh feel that thi that lust men flesh thi world opinon thi haven heard thi vers reik anchor bibl volum jame peter and jude point that exampl thi section jude distinguish elect apost not wick gener deliv egypt not follow mose and extens god apost angel and sodom and gomorrah quot reik fornic testament refer idolatri flesh pet denot human societi and violent attempt exalt sodom and gommorrah repres leader apostasi and surround citi correspond follow inher reason read thi vers liter refer actual sexual lust for alien flesh inher understand refer homosexu circular reason that conclud that sin sodom sin homosexu place that sin sodom and not infer ezekiel thi guilt your sister sodom and daughter had pride excess food and prosper eas bit not aid poor and needi haughti and abomin thing remov for reason overliter text your correspond suggest that reason passag doesn deal homosexu guest angel and not men silli solid reason for point irrelev sodom passag for deal homosexu per revdak netcom
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soc.religion.christian	travel fatima consecr and anniversari share thi rosari and prayer propag practic countri not countri yr illinoi usa not encount call travel fatima sinc don exact translat call nativ languag for region district town citi imag statu ladi fatima move home origin owner anoth thi will stai that famili for week and thi famili requir prai rosari and prayer prayer sheet accompani imag ladi fatima move will simpl process folk pick imag current home depart prayer and proce move home prior notif move will receiv prayer home ladi fatima imag not that member famili that home prai imag invit friend can invit particip prayer time that home everydai for week thi imag move famili bound region that district back owner imag thi philippin correct exactli sinc forgot and year thi part devot ladi fatima easi facilit thi back home like that your door neighbor cathol and imag move door think start villag sister and famili live friend and neighbor cathol and practic state commun law that thi practic will violat whatsoev for you for comment thi matter marida maridai ec comm mot
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soc.religion.christian	hate sin articl geneva rutger edu wjhovi ulkyvx louisvil edu bill hovingh lpt student write scott prism gatech edu scott holt write hate sin love sinner question whether that statement consist christian not grate for scott reflect thi oft quot phrase remind scriptur sourc for not scriptur come patrist ag amar errantem interficer errorem sound love errant slai error doubt will mint phrase had guess blame augustin had gift for aphor richard aquina chonak norri mit edu sometim act you believ
soc.religion.christian	translat alison wyld wrote ajw english languag edit that not show ajw vers even chapter number clh origin neb put vers number margin kenneth wuest expand translat testament put rang vers number top each paragraph expand translat quit verbos suitabl for detail studi for quick read mike gold internet mike hahn fidonet org catalyst bb port elizabeth south africa catp alt bi hst
soc.religion.christian	doctrin origin sin stephen crep write sac that sac bibl that baptiz enter heaven exactli that sac includ infant scriptur sac contrari except sinc except list sac bibl assum safe side that bibl mean sac that baptiz enter heaven except case corneliu and household mention act baptis god show that accept give holi spirit thi mean accept god baptism and had suddenli di heaven case that fetch ancestor mine missionari work herero namibia tribesmen jealou christian and poison convert baptis sure heaven inclin agre comment record time not neglect baptism contempt that condemn mike internet mike hahn fidonet org catalyst bb port elizabeth south africa catp alt bi hst
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rec.sport.baseball	young catcher articl blue ci pitt edu genet pitt edu david tate write mss netcom mark singer meant that not except make rule not except good player come young player come young will good thi rule player come young good young wors not shift thi detail studi thi and shown that player aren come younger older past and aren plai minor us thing that shift memori good dai damn afraid you that fact make not applic current discuss you decid whether plai rooki hasn establish major mediocr veteran padr plai santiago that year had worth plai perhap brave had worth plai thi year lopez worth plai opinion and happen agre young men highli tout defens catcher expect basebal not rec sport basebal consensu that sound incred arrog comment found that sdcn consensu exist media consensu opinion basebal peopl affili mlb can that newbi your word alomar fine defens catcher statement that solid reason for bring tender ag long feel can hit bit lopez not such consensu defens prowess and imho that give that dread season don suppos peopl similar will catcher differ opinion read that arm not that strong suppos measur ratio and that learn call game that skill difficult project intim knowledg perform tangibl skill disagre that don tangibl skill leadership don deni that real skill and that catcher don that nichol law catcher defens eerili accur for defens assess catcher don nichol law don catcher era interest pitcher era catcher info that absolut evid pile year year altern that brave don that young player averag current starter not rule that kind gross incompet salari schedul explan charit word logic decis make financi presum feel thi franchis atlanta that brave strongest team basebal even olson and lemk and nixon and bream lineup good chanc repeat champ thi year team make sens make team margin thi year bring young stud and dump elderli ahead and compet thi year and bring stud that reserv year and current team will collect pension fair young player make organiz sens make organiz sens can fault for decis mean don run busi success make win you bring lopez listen bobbi hit big club thi year pai mega arbitr buck road coupl year and want that and continu can win and win year that you you smoke illeg substanc hei that joke don offend hei love wrong thi you love don cite innat ethic rectitud you person can cite ethic rectitud don mean make organiz sens basebal busi and solid busi reason for keep lopez farm that brave happen that basebal decis you your armchair disage don lot evid suggest decis made predict larg guffaw start spring train normal decis made revers start lopez big and releas catcher conserv logic don ethic pretti good common sens beastmast mark singer mss netcom
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rec.sport.baseball	mike francesa predict articl apr portho bellcor dick herahera bellcor vaughn richard write articl apr ulkyvx louisvil edu pjtier ulkyvx louisvil edu write articl apr portho bellcor dick herahera bellcor vaughn richard write mike francesa mention basebal pick pass radio yesterdai that thi francesa talkin opinion worth consider wizard foresaw year big east ncaa tournament unfortunatli team made into sweet sixteen orlean mike francesa outstand predict record you figur ignor your peril radio hasn explod not tune roger
rec.sport.baseball	move won redflop can won win stwombl ulowel edu steve twombl write vaughn can hit spring vaughn can hit season excel point hope god that ted simmon doesn weird idea trade for gui and had not includ jeff king deal god trade zane smith and jeff king for vaughn and greg blosser wors nichol curs hmm guess that doesn sound sincer jking
rec.sport.baseball	belat predict mss netcom mark singer write articl apr pilot njin net gajarski pilot njin net bob gajarski hobokenit write javier lopez catcher greg olson histori basebal year younger rooki catcher compar favor leagu catcher term defens and brought bat wasn sandi alomar suppos that good rooki year not wasn benito santiago suppos that good rooki year not hrm sandi alomar year rooki game threw baserunn benito santiago year rooki game threw baserunn ivan rodriguez year rooki game didn exactli suck plate can continu thi thread mention you point you and quick dismiss season veteran favor hot young rooki perhap perhap manag team pennant win brave you and perhap that and year rooki come major and make impact true make import realiz you lopez season last year adjust major leagu equival hr bad plate for that not olson mike jone aix high end develop mjone donald aix kingston ibm not admir hit ryne duren hit you head you past tens casei stengel
rec.sport.baseball	espn and expans articl ucdavi edu itlm dale ucdavi edu donni trump write watch peter gammon espn last night and confus talk expans start mention peopl benefit fring player face mcgriff hit home run sheffield get rbi and glavin win game thi refer happen time that basebal expand earli late late confus mention player year specif roger clemen win game and like mcgwire and gonzalez hit home run question hell will rocki marlin last time look wasn lot talent jump leagu miss denni cleari dfcleari ucdavi edu wonder thing mention thought make mistak and and exampl year gave stat for player leagu even leagu expand sinc stat never lie guess effect leagu expans draft take talent leagu equal make team leagu dilut major leagu talent call player that not had not expans make sens
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rec.sport.baseball	rocki and ranger fan basebal choic two ident confer attend denver and dalla kind rocki ranger plai dalla area fan home date for that week love catch game shawn
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rec.sport.baseball	minnesota pitch date mon apr karim edvard ahm andrew cmu edu sinc haven basebal thi season question favorit team minnesota twin good rotat last heard order tapani erikson mahom bank and gui never heard sound pretti pathet will bank year prospect hasn matur quickli like mahom year highli tout tapani and erickson young and look good thi spring last spot jim deshai houston and and mike tromblei deshai hasn look good thi spring that spot tromblei hadn want starter thi unproven person highli mahom and tromblei plai short and scott leiu shortstop plai last year minor and move back gagn left split pagliarulo had great spring and terri jorgenson good kid languish portland for year not time will divid happi jorgenson fear give time pag winfield can you denni
rec.sport.baseball	belat predict long folk share esteem wisdom karnak sez west east west east chicago toronto atlanta loui texa york cincinnati montreal minnesota baltimor houston york oakland boston lo angel philadelphia seattl detroit san diego pittsburgh kansa citi milwauke san fran chicago california cleveland colorado florida detail follow pick apart you take entri for predict pool contest you snag mine and add list glad open dai make bit for gloom doom weather pattern lundi dave hung jim acker slider kirsch blue jai kirsch staff umn edu quot context not beat dead hors coupl week thi disappoint punish discharg jackhamm stephen lawrenc
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rec.sport.baseball	can find basebal statist interest uncov statist boston red sox player march present want bat averag hit multi hit game run stolen base and base game can find thi inform sport magazin log thi info directli ball club for info kip
rec.sport.baseball	grate dead basebal fan and fan mention band wonder clue whether dead member sang nation anthem todai giant open imagin that bit earli for answer greatli appreci curiou robert robert margesson umain hockei park black bear orono ncaa champ
rec.sport.baseball	william yank win east isn thi cut and dry jai fan thing fear worst happen yank william and start william wickman and millitello rotat nicer that kaminiecki and mike witt combo thought throw slaughterhous experi grant witt good that us rational youngster and not job witt good pitcher and experi yank show that take posit stride forward jai loss dave stewart gigant hole pitch staff oriol end gord niguma salvag season olerud win mvp
rec.sport.baseball	good player you short idiot articl apr otago guilford otago write articl apr princeton edu roger crux princeton edu roger lustig write articl apr otago guilford otago write jackson kcr kcr kcr cw maj maj thi jackson look convert neutral park basi run product equival averag start and had establish last two season level plai that good good fact doesn make top ten leagu eqa dave winfield thoma bond incroy tenth bip robert season past year joe carter mattingli had felix jose had last two year ahead time rain year averag ryan klesko mle attent media warrant basebal plai hype lot hit that basi for net comment overr media you beleiv great hitter good good hitter imo hitter major clai
rec.sport.baseball	young catcher articl mssc dfw netcom mss netcom mark singer write ag alomar had brilliant rooki year true limit injuri sophomor season number that yaer and year quit mediocr thi season bill jame project op bill jame you that sound you suggest bill jame had overhyp kid death contrair fairli critic roi campaign note that wasn world catcher hitter call basic averag media predict johnni bench roi campanella young men highli tout defens catcher expect basebal report read that lopez ordinari defens report dodger option parrish and hernandez and carlo piazza long continu hot bat will lineup offens product cool for defens catcher hernandez plai hernandez lot piazza can catch ball you gotta plai imho hitter hernandez isn bad hitter sound piazza will catch time and hernandez will candiotti caddi sinc can catch knuckler long plai abil dodger good catch tandem brave option berryhil and olson agre that olson noth special berryhil peopl rsb brave catcher good defens call game block plate throw and somewhat weak offenivs plai team that not anoth big bat overr defens nichol law catcher defens that that difficult prove disprov your viewpoint mine tangibl thing can oppon and that cloud your pitcher hold runner catcher era possibl subject bias for plai team that not anoth big bat disagre chink brave armor that weak offens posit belliard plai bream and hunter form anoth super platoon and weak defens blauser plai brave give mel niev javi lopez chipper jone shot talent rich jai recent year conserv and stick not that wrong conserv dave hung jim acker slider kirsch blue jai kirsch staff umn edu quot context not beat dead hors coupl week thi disappoint punish discharg jackhamm stephen lawrenc
rec.sport.baseball	quick your local beat writer dumb articl apr pilot njin net gajarski pilot njin net bob gajarski hobokenit write jayson stark that fit perfectli thi categori jayson stark that write weekli for press syndic and for basebal america write dean palmer homer thi pace home run shot end april and write thi pace homer shouldb shot stark thi sort thing never state that thi sort project useless top such column season and manag project thrown game and hitter expect plunk time stark funni stuff weekli basebal review good collect strang thing that happen previou week regularli print kiner lanc smith moment name manag for lsmith umn edu oakland peanut crush special limit edit red head loner wield aluminum bat signatur murder mausoleum
rec.sport.baseball	young catcher articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward theodoru redsox fannu fischer write thi doesn fly good player readi for major earli hofer not contribut major leaguer time that bring interest point catch espn piec prospect and relationship ag career length mvp and hall fame member part preseason special basic look player that had amass plate appear ab time and notic interest thing for starter found such player compris major mvp histori game found such player repres major player hall fame kicker that number crunch and found that such player career last longer career player not that group found that player produc greater level perform and produc twice raw total hr etc player group outhit second raw and blew second group such categori hr rbi etc impress thing espn recent memori guess rai knight make rebutt tonight dave hung jim acker slider kirsch blue jai kirsch staff umn edu quot context not beat dead hors coupl week thi disappoint punish discharg jackhamm stephen lawrenc
rec.sport.baseball	red sox win bosox royal clemen appier kei hit mike greenwel trippl base load
rec.sport.baseball	quick your local beat writer dumb bob gajarski hobokenit write jayson stark trhink that fit perfectli thi categori write dean palmer homer thi pace home run shot bob that stark thi sort thing joke not predict don shoot for that gui shot claim great royal chanc west sinc evid that aren joke and bob davi rbd thor ec edu
rec.sport.baseball	young catcher articl kfy new ci umn edu kirsch staff umn edu dave almost curs jai kirsch write that bring interest point catch espn piec prospect and relationship ag career length mvp and hall fame member part preseason special wow espn can repeat eleven year bill jame research liter check abstract impress thing espn recent memori perhap reliabl averag sdcn guess rai knight make rebutt tonight oop not ted frank teel mention that thf kimbark uchicago edu advic legal sound you follow law school you will wind jail standard disclaim jame donald misc legal
rec.sport.baseball	finnal phil support articl yxmj ble new udel edu philli bach udel edu robert hite write articl apr ulkyvx louisvil edu pjtier ulkyvx louisvil edu write everytim written net possibl success season philadelphia philli rip pittsburgh calcutta ignoramous care thi week basebal weekli will that not consid divis winner rest respect basebal writer countri and reason thi geniu writer that even pitch sound will win strength offens less offens offens thompson incaviglia offens win divis winner win win win thompson incaviglia win thompson incaviglia you learn school todai you math and your teacher turn rob rain run don walk drop add tiernei you don hell you talk thompson and incaviglia don equal win two stan javier and ruben amaro thi improv equat win lenni dykstra plai game last year and project number hit rbi game hit rbi put number leadoff hole and bump kruk hollin daulton rbi number tad less knock and don you fair add rbi each manag knock pretti nice amount run leadoff hitter bozo you fair add win and can forget we chamberlain rbi even month and aaa and horribl half project that full season and rbi that worth win two final wors pitch staff last year add wors injuri decim add danni jackson health and full season for schill that worth win conserv and ad win ad win expans team that win less dipshit math genuiou hmmm that good win wors divis basebal time you foolish clue simpli relai reason thi call geniu writer agre reason foolish time you foolish awar you respond btw win funni tiernei
rec.sport.baseball	uniform two team logo minor uniform chang per season past season incred thought red uniform rememb pete rose rooki card and miss guess wear exact dud met doc perform todai reinsert met patch shoulder and chang met insgnia front jersei knowledg time that chang sinc and remind dodger logo team opt for return previou style uniform uniform that tradit philli red expo white sox padr etc and onc bright color alter grai trend newer basebal field resembl park earli year oppos cooki cutter saucer stadium construcrt sixti salari reach unbeliev high comission offic and inter leagu plai horizon nice that basebal meant
rec.sport.baseball	player overpaid ted frank list underpaid player thi juan guzman mussina castillo eldr rhode militello roja beck melendez hernandez ni rodriguez piazza thoma bagwel knoblauch barberi gomez palmer listach pena gonzalez lankford sander plantier player common not qualifi for arbitr never free agent call reserv claus and year will whine gui overpaid and get outrag rais arb humbug king sparki banaian tax tax kbanaian pitzer claremont edu tax tax dept econom pitzer colleg rep alan key latest gdp forecast run alan
rec.sport.baseball	vega odd list vega odd for team make world seri mail rickc corp sgi
rec.sport.baseball	rec sport basebal fantasi april particip leagu that standard rotisseri rule that catagori us for posit player lowest bat averag strike out caught steal error for pitcher loss blown save higest era tater allow thi year that particip thi blowtisseri leagu last year won pennant due primarili fact that had terribl pitch lower bat averag high jose offerman made for thi help lock place error offer andr gallaraga for bud black can afford give bud black kyle abbott afraid andr thi season make trade not your comment will appreci warren usui univers scale
rec.sport.baseball	jim lefebvr idiot want that lost respect for jim lefebvr todai cub game start maldonado plai end last year and tore cactu leagu you sit bench not mention that hander maddux start blew top lefebvr pinch hit for rick wilkin tommi shield can you that lefti righti thing made that wilkin twice hitter that shield batter jose vizcaino weakest hitter and had look terribl bat dai and lefebr hit sat bench even arni harri stun thi show sit dugout vizcaino bat face lefebvr worst manag basebal dishard cub fan
rec.sport.baseball	second baseman thf elli uchicago edu ted frank write articl mar sarah albani edu albnyvm bitnet write person that alomar hype produc incred long run will never put number that sandberg for thi moment alomar sandberg win long shot sandberg alomar ag put season power alomar oba point higher sandberg career high alomar career high doubl and tripl higher sandberg sandberg alomar alomar hasn reach full potenti alomar year headstart sandberg hit sandberg didn hit and like put career number sandberg home run pass sandberg stolen base sandberg not particulari for stolen base competit alomar sandberg year ripken and year bogg gwynn and magician attent sandberg alomar class worth mediocr number don count nation leagu pitcher pitcher larri els account mark horan horan cse unl edu ianr unlvm
rec.sport.baseball	jim lefebvr idiot bjgood leo bsuvc bsu edu write want that lost respect for jim lefebvr todai cub game etc vizcaino bat face lefebvr worst manag basebal dishard cub fan hei manag lead seattl marin win season fifteen give credit for that dave machman machman washington edu david carrol big scienc hallelujah
rec.sport.baseball	giant quinn geniu articl odin corp sgi luigi sgi randi palermo write will clark matt william robbi thompson rod beck giant system geez come clark william thompson gui that ancient histori last year beck doesn count solid year btw manwar lead last season throw baserunn excel defens catcher agre that offens skill limit improv pitchout pitch rememb even bob brenli had good throwout percentag roger craig love sacrific count for runner thrown suffer ball strike homer lot not big fan manwar dave
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rec.sport.baseball	east basebal doubt that thi true year east back earli eighti emerg and yank and west team basebal and red aren bad noth giant astro and padr talent not arounf team that found east and dodger plain suck for rocki east defend champ and lost lot free agenc toronto basebal oriol preseason favorit win young mike mussina and you can never forget ripken sign harold bain and harold reynold don hurt like bill ripken lot thi summer randi milligan joe orsulak bill ripken bob milacki sam horn storm davi and craig leffert heart team intact predict finish baltimor bias opinion yanke toronto milwauke detroit boston cleveland higher not for accid
rec.sport.baseball	belat predict briefli sinc sleep mle work pretti for aaa player player and younger will tend explos number whether mmle not year player and older level gener inflat mle reliabl major leagu stat for player bob gaj
rec.sport.baseball	quick your local beat writer dumb that didn realis sarcast sort thing you mike lupica daili new pretti funni thing shoot lip column bob gaj
rec.sport.baseball	phil immacul ladi and gentleman step phil triumphant trip thi year tonight that english mulholland era tonight game nice drabek ninja jew
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rec.sport.baseball	trivia question you trivia buff good for you prior foul bunt rule record for foul ball batter bat total pitch batter pitcher foul bunt rule associ data nice such date locat team etc bill wrl pmafir inel gov
rec.sport.baseball	second baseman articl pqvusinnmjm crcni unl edu horan cse unl edu mark horan write sandberg not particulari for stolen base competit alomar sandberg year ripken and year bogg gwynn and magician attent sandberg alomar class worth mediocr number don count nation leagu pitcher pitcher you thoma gonzalez sheffield and griffei don even begin compar ripken bogg and gwynn alomar get attent sandberg attent rooki year rooki year terribl sophomor year nation leagu pitcher pitcher that explain sheffield you confus era that lower don face ted frank teel mention that thf kimbark uchicago edu advic legal sound you follow law school you will wind jail standard disclaim jame donald misc legal
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rec.sport.baseball	good player you short idiot articl murdoch acc virginia edu drw delmarva evsc virginia edu david robert walker write jackson kcr kcr kcr cw maj maj thi jackson look convert neutral park basi run product equival averag start and had establish last two season level plai not quit number gener appear that neutral park and slug tend drop lose two home run equival averag thing stat that you can that homer you expect homer for doubl tripl big park caught and for that matter you expect lot doubl and tripl despit speed hit doubl and not that tripl expect risen quit consider neutral park that good good fact doesn make top ten leagu eqa dave winfield thoma bond incroy tenth bip robert season past year joe carter mattingli had felix jose had last two year ahead time rain year averag ryan klesko mle felix jose player fairli neutral park offhand guess player not even close attent media warrant basebal plai hype lot hit that basi for net comment overr media you beleiv great hitter good good hitter imo hitter major put note hadn realiz media had hype thought view footbal player and basebal rbi season and wasn win note harp thi bit past mistak made sdcn thi group respect player and deion and lofton and perhap find that you larg group player past major and minor leagu number will predict futur number fairli caveat younger good predict lower minor leagu good imagin recent player left colleg ball etc thi predict involv quit bit error sometim player poor mle dave justic ventura becom star hitter develop shane mack brian down don oddib mcdowel mickei brantlei thi error involv real thing real reason oddib didn hit and shane involv park and bat coach and wheati and injuri and lift and you thi big pool player and thing work pretti reason for predict accuraci common background player thing profession basebal player that almost spent good deal time plai ball background similar hasn establish happen you encount player background reason that deion lofton toni gwynn aing such background that standard model and standard assumpt fit thi person slowli hasn establish that you can us mle two sport player hasn establish that you can statist art person lucid individu continu make complet nonsens statement and deion and lofton good not great minor leagu number happen number simpli don mean mean mean that ken lofton suddenli year houston tuscon mean that deion suddenli half year atlanta greenvil not ken and deion back tank thi year live poor mle you gui don wors you don that you don and you don that player you won injuri and lift and wheati you that model perfect and etern not error bill guilford think hairi butt ugli
rec.sport.baseball	belat predict articl mssc zyo jsc netcom mss netcom mark singer write articl apr pilot njin net gajarski pilot njin net bob gajarski hobokenit write brave improv injuri javier lopez catcher greg olson ryan klasko firstbaseman bream chipper jone shortstop brave put mel niev nixon sander that forc plai young gui bob gaj continu amaz comment lopez dai catcher olson find total amaz for you suggest that thi year season profession basebal olson year mlb veteran note for abil call game and averag arm perhap you talk hit lopez hit perhap will histori basebal year younger rooki catcher compar favor leagu catcher term defens and brought bat wasn ivan rodriguez last year bat and threw baserunn not shabbi for rooki year last year sandi alomar suppos that good rooki year not wasn benito santiago suppos that good rooki year not can continu thi thread mention you point you and quick dismiss season veteran favor hot young rooki perhap perhap manag team pennant win brave you and perhap that and year rooki come major and make impact beastmast mark singer mss netcom roi cabaniss wait till tommi meet lord and western kentucki univers find that wear pinstrip opinion contain gaylord perri talk lasorda mine and that sin basebal spend dai
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rec.sport.baseball	joe robbi stadium not for basebal articl apr oswego oswego edu iac oswego edu kevin mundstock write iac oswego edu kevin mundstock subject joe robbi stadium not for basebal date apr gmt notic word not for basebal print pictur joe robbi stadium open dai season preview section usa todai reason for thi assum that word pictur that seat will not for basebal game you pictur diamond stadium relat area mark not for basebal seat terribl for watch basebal happen reach post season imagin that open seat that sure worri futur sam lubchanski spl cwru edu champion peopl loser and treat scorn sugari condiment secur initi pleasur ferment grain decidedli parsimoni time
rec.sport.baseball	lifetim record basebal histori articl apr corn cecc corn write speak marlin win open base lifetim percentag game won second record basebal histori record had guess forc yanke hand blue jai hmmmmm toni blue jai hell yanke rememb yanke had record team and
rec.sport.baseball	yankk game closer articl ax acadiau ax acadiau jason walter work write yanke game closer east pennant clobber cleveland fine pitch perform kei and two homerun tartabul basebal thi season and run homer noke for you didn pick bogg your pool tough break had coupl hit and drove coupl run follow yank beat and come team youngster indian yanke win game divis yank mattingli for glove and mvp and abbot for young jason jason yanke game wed night cleveland stadium happi cleveland bad team lost severalr and come team sad excus for averag abbot will not win melido perez will bold predict come herot last place end season mike luri speak and world listen
rec.sport.baseball	yanke medit you realiz that yanke pai matt noke dollar thi year geesh and maa get yanke win yanke snow yanke will rooki year
rec.sport.baseball	joe robbi stadium not for basebal articl apr oswego oswego edu iac oswego edu kevin mundstock write notic word not for basebal print pictur joe robbi stadium open dai season preview section usa todai reason for thi and answer simpl creat feel park seat will fold back for basebal game you word
rec.sport.baseball	mile high run run will score denver don idea can run score mile high stadium last year bear zephyr tenur american associ total run score per game zephyr game leagu game and ratio found ratio for year rpg lea ratio hrpg lea ratio pretti clear that denver will larg effect run score stick predict last year that top thi year and fairli larg effect homerun appar not larg atlanta wriglei cincinnati and san diego pretti decent home run park john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu
rec.sport.baseball	pick comment articl new duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write articl psbg inngjj master rose hulman edu rickert nextwork rose hulman edu john rickert write articl jfr msstate edu jfr msstate edu jacki russel write psg pitt edu paul galvanek write nation leagu west cincinnati houston atlanta argh you dead wrong not sinc yanke and team nice setup thi year and year come brave don that star team will thi comparison yanke finsh and finsh and game and finish second and game even great team can lose that plai season hand pick brave sure you didn intend compar red philidelphia yanke finish team that good yanke yanke had ag peak year ruth and gehrig couldn plai posit simultan imo ag brave and red thi season that brave will closer peak red slightli pass peak you compar brave and yanke comparison brave yanke fall short two year row excit world seri team won will win seri thi year despit heroic fart team casei stengel dave winfield perhap respond yanke and part comment team thing and lost not unreason for pick anoth team not that john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu brewer
rec.sport.baseball	marlin win marlin win articl lloyd lloyd uclink berkelei edu lloyd nebr write that teal bleah color teal team uniform indic futur marlin dire troubl refer san jose shark for proof hope for marlin member rene lachemann fan club oakland coliseum and deep respect for gui gem and walt weiss that franchis class yeah design uniform guilti pauciti style and imagin ugghhh child like marlin uniform helmet shine nice sun make fan ted frank teel mention that thf kimbark uchicago edu advic legal sound you follow law school you will wind jail standard disclaim jame donald misc legal
rec.sport.baseball	mark whiten vacat last week and didn new fill loui end mark whiten trade give arocha allen watson dmitri young dal make decent deal russ smith don georg gervin assist coach
rec.sport.baseball	info need for cleveland ticket articl apr leland stanford edu bohnert leland stanford edu matthew bohnert write cleveland thursdai april sundai april tribe will town date and plai and ticket tribe will town april ticket plai toronto and toronto fan make trip cleveland easier ticket cleveland toronto doubt will sell end season doug bank privat system divis dougb ec comm mot motorola commun sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg illinoi dougb casbah acn nwu edu
rec.sport.baseball	yogi ism rememb sort yogi asleep hotel room late night and get call answer phone person end ask woke yogi yogi answer phone kevin favorit back seventi two streaker interupt game yogi dash across field unclad wasn present ask yogi men women repli couldn had bag head
rec.sport.baseball	young catcher mss netcom mark singer articl blue ci pitt edu genet pitt edu david tate write mss netcom mark singer that player thi ag make impact big haven even plai aaa ball thi irrelev you talk averag lot inform thi player base decis you that inform don person clai post show that lopez wasn good exampl niev sinc last year number line previou year didn access point remain know gui minor leagu histori good know major leagu histori you read isn lopez like hit that hit that last year adjust stat for park and leagu and such hit absolut scale olson berryhil lot don you percentag player reach exce mle rooki season talk you mle not project equival thi hit last year major leagu term rate essenc reach guess bob clai that essenti half player surpass previou mle rooki season half sinc player young and improv that your purpos offerman spent get acclim you will dodger team paid big price that season offerman differ place and last place perhap will reap benefit road you compet for pennant didn suppos gut farm system acquir jai bell spike owen content point not that signific sampl that hadn spring train even blockhead manag question whether minor leagu number for real send get warm for stat head amaz that you put credenc spring train you read wrote you amaz claim put credenc spring train quit contrari that lopez hadn that even bozo put credenc spring train interpret failur spring train number meaningless doesn mean that bobbi cox case rule explan for send lopez kid will improv plai aaa keith mitchel wait minut miss keith mitchel aaa and major season poorli for year aaa david tate not you that close pose and open understand can pocket your glove deeper pete rose cum not even tim rain such soft hand
rec.sport.baseball	sax new steve statu sinc lost start job appreci gwyn
rec.sport.baseball	young catcher thi discuss mark singer and david tate valentin weigh side dave time opinion fwiw mark ag doesn matter abil untri rooki great minor leagu number veteran proven averag don care plai want sandi alomar had decent minor leagu number grossli inflat pcl gener and la vega project averag major leagu hitter good for catcher admit santiago number come sandi don leagu data mid check that agre send lopez richmond start season box below show minor leagu season hit two hit poorli want that lopez real olson and berryhil not complet mediocr for catcher catcher essenti averag hitter equival averag had hit prior level belong brave reason chanc that lopez last year fluke alomar santiago year level ag doesn satisfi standard evid javier lopez bur dur grn atl maj min tot maj min tot similar note don understand peopl not support neon deion grant thought behavior mccarver last year complet bush last year time place line hard read combin op minor leagu plai speed valuabl op alon and young ag had monster year op total major and minor eqa major leagu averag and averag for last year shown potenti into make hitter leagu two full season reach prime season consid legitim prospect and not simpl side show attract deion sander fla int ea nyi int nyi int atl ric atl maj min tot maj min tot clai
rec.sport.baseball	giant quinn geniu articl appl appl chuq appl chuq von rospach wrote mcmath csb nlm nih gov chuck chuck buck mcmath write giant protect mike benjamin career averag ovr pitcher pat rapp surpris bai area benjamin stat doubl dinger and rapp even aaa even that protect list regim not thi rosen babi not quinn and you thi end season and year and geniu braindead decis oldgiant imho even benjamin improv markedli past and hit never util backup rapp turn into top flight arm anoth year time post thi make sarcasm bit obviou chuck chuck mcmath mcmath csb nlm nih gov msd inc nation librari medicin nation institut health bethesda noos good noos hei batter hei batter hei batter swing anon thi opinion influenc cosmic radiat
rec.sport.baseball	red sleev uniform articl apr adob snichol adob sherri nichol write articl new duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write person think red sleeveless uniform ugli anoth reason won win west uniform decid factor pennant race pirat never won ugliest uniform yellow set sherri nichol snichol adob vote for indian red uniform boog powel onc felt big red blood clot rich barri barri ihlp att
rec.sport.baseball	yogi ism articl apr bsu uc mbstultz leo bsuvc bsu edu write interest quot bill veek that nigger field josh gibson minimum two yogi berra speak yogi good yogi ism mike curiou georg stultz rememb sort yogi asleep hotel room late night and get call answer phone person end ask woke yogi yogi answer phone kevin
rec.sport.baseball	predict for sinc run wild predict decid add fuel fire bit normal albeit small surpris american leagu east york yanke baltimor oriol toronto blue jai cleveland indian boston red sox milwauke brewer detroit tiger american leagu west minnesota twin kansa citi royal texa ranger chicago white sox oakland athlet seattl marin california angel mvp kirbi puckett young kevin appier rooki year tim salmon manag year buck showalt comeback player year ozzi guillen nation leagu east loui cardin philadelphia philli montreal expo york met chicago cub pittsburgh pirat florida marlin nation leagu west atlanta brave cincinnati red houston astro lo angel dodger san francisco giant san diego padr colorado rocki mvp barri larkin young john smoltz rooki year wil cordero manag year joe torr comeback player year eric davi champion loui cardin champion minnesota twin world champion loui cardin loui pick heart brain will win divis lose brave nlc and brave will win seri minnesota for stick card kevin
rec.sport.baseball	joe robbi stadium not for basebal notic word not for basebal print pictur joe robbi stadium open dai season preview section usa todai reason for thi notic nolan ryan timelin preview rickei henderson nolan strikeout pitch hitter oakland last game made rickei henderson and nolan pitch hitter dai stole base overshadow that nolan lot public rickei expens imo rickei deserv and net agre great player imo nolan outclass rickei plai and importantli attitud thought kevin
rec.sport.baseball	young catcher articl blue ci pitt edu genet pitt edu david tate write for rush qualit differ minor and major that requir period adjust and don wouldn you wast lopez year good season year good season year excel season sooner you acclim prime you us can name player rush major for argument sake defin rush brought major for cup coffe prior ag younger and perform below expect career damag thi rush tend agre david that bring player sooner player for thi theori didn work prefer player last year can minor leagu stat import distinguish player legitim had career below minor leagu number project oppos player hype and fail had career not line minor leagu number kick exampl player rush doesn damag career jai bell pa major leagu ag and perform below you expect aaa number season pa year ag and underperform year ag perform improv and won everydai shortstop job and sinc hard for stai minor leagu perform quit aaa thi time rush cleveland suppos like give you bring player earli like struggl that delai time stop struggl and start perform expect sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.baseball	cub game april articl apr oucsac ohiou edu jclark oucsac ohiou edu michael clark write oti nixion line singl left two out break hitter cub win hitter jose guzman that take beat brave thi year smoltz pitch line hit walk and loss
rec.sport.baseball	player rush major snichol adob sherri nichol write can name player rush major for argument sake defin rush brought major for cup coffe prior ag younger and perform below expect career damag thi rush tend agre that player not hurt earli plai big leagu brave organ fertil ground test thi hypothesi had talent roster for time steve averi for exampl rush major and fare poorli initi campaign subsequ pitch not affect era rooki year bill jame point that rel unusu struggl and rebound bob horner rush major arizona state directli had good number immedi not ag peopl pete smith craig mcmurti and derek lilliquist brave pitch staff bad that rush lilliquist and smith struggl didn hurt and overhyp recal pitch initi don stat handi dougla bone internet bone luciano stanford edu standard disclaim bitnet bone luciano stanford edu stanford appli ucbvax luciano sierra stanford edu bone
rec.sport.baseball	rickei henderson articl vinn appserv eng sun str mareds eng sun todd rader write stai school you lot learn learn that million dollar lot monei rickei henderson doesn career basebal didn basebal wouldn make monei don understand athlet plai sport for live for million dollar not paid will sign for ask price will hurt will win remeb athlet noth not for athlet abil noth get paid hard work citizen and complain not pai don problem make million problem aren paid million number wors
rec.sport.baseball	angel win angel won home open brewer todai anaheim stadium hitter mark langston snow and gari discarcina hit home run for angel daniel
rec.sport.baseball	young catcher mss netcom mark singer catcher solid defens player club big argument lopez for brave for thi year brave two catcher demonstr solid abil call game work pitcher throw runner thi crux argument sdcn and sdcn camp agre fact that catcher defens basic nonmeasur present you can talk import call game frame pitch block ball dirt exactli catcher rank defens lopez specif reason suspect that bad defens catcher fact that brave media label bad defens catcher can doesn problem mechan such sasser rough edg block ball frame pitch good call clear that plai and practic time can repetit aaa rep major left call game aspect olsen and berryhil credit for call good game and help pitcher staff thi reput that almost veteran catcher catch aaa lopez learn major leagu pitch staff catcher learn tom glavin pitch catch tom glavin similarli wouldn suppris pitcher claim prefer pitch olsen pitch lopez us pitch olsen time will comfort lopez sinc lopez can learn handl major leagu pitcher aaa and sinc doesn glare problem mechan learn aaa that can learn major dave dave bonar mebonar lsuvax sncc lsu edu
rec.sport.baseball	pick comment articl jfr msstate edu jfr msstate edu jacki russel write psg pitt edu paul galvanek write sinc last year anoth shot pick winner and loser skip commentari pick finish due lack time for flame war kansa citi shot top divis bottom word cone thing tremend you mark anoth word offens make pick for last polici never pick buck rodger team for last florida chicago dont expans team finish not last thi year hasnt happen cub wors angel game athlet and expans senat finish ti for last colt finsh ahead cub met last royal finsh ahead white sox pilot last marin finish ahead athlet last appar expans team poor chicago team good thing nation leagu west cincinnati houston atlanta argh you dead wrong not sinc yanke and team nice setup thi year and year come brave don that star team will beat thi comparison yanke finsh and finsh and game and finish second and game even great team can lose that plai season hand pick brave john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman predict for marlin win rocki win and rocki fan will claim that offens adequ
rec.sport.baseball	jim lefebvr idiot articl apr bsu uc bjgood leo bsuvc bsu edu write want that lost respect for jim lefebvr todai cub game dishard cub fan you that bad wait dunston leadoff spot can win thi manag never believ manag had that win had lose rick
rec.sport.baseball	jim lefebvr idiot articl new cso uiuc edu ada uxa cso uiuc edu driftwood write total agre each point you made jose viscaino look singl hitter swing count maddux pitch and your team run and you haven touch ball dai made that lefti righti thing watch cub game feel steve stone lot cub lefebr harri state anoth terribl vizcaino bat can wait til sandberg return you steve stone prophet make ton boradcoast booth can understand not back game dai call sosa homerun sox and claim game into extra in score yesterdai notic that sosa ahead count maddux and thi fastbal situat and sosa will for thi spot maddux throw straight chang sosa get ahead and pop infield stonei for cub manag rick
rec.sport.baseball	young catcher articl mssc qmx netcom mss netcom mark singer write keith mitchel recal stat book handi surpris jump atlanta that return minor didn career jeopardi fit your point good mle move big club step trade move basebal duh methink you recal wrong mitchel hit close atlanta and continu walk alot promot left playoff roster and start year minor even brave will you underperform mad back struggl last year doubt even brave blame part demot mitchel mark whiten card russ smith don georg gervin assist coach
rec.sport.baseball	chri webber choke marvel time call chri webber result technic foul sinc team had time out left perhap webber will place bill buckner master choke thi red sox fan hope ted chelsea clinton secret servic agent had replac activ duti soldier object ground that famili dislik militari krueger ga uug arizona edu
rec.sport.baseball	design hitter rule ekdfc ttac ttu edu david coon rule basebal game two team player each that niepornt phoenix princeton edu david marc niepor not rule don that that pretti dumb argument mind boggl don rule book david you post word rule mightili curiou wayn hathawai domain wayn ultra ultra network technolog am ultra wayn daggett drive phone san jose fax
rec.sport.baseball	camden yard fortun ticket for oriol red sox game baltimor saturdai juli haven park and wonder can give pointer good tip help place that can enjoi moment spent for instanc time gate open oriol will red sox you can appreci you advanc respond mail address and half month psych sue
rec.sport.baseball	rickei henderson and michael jackson jack nicholson and bill cosbi wouldn make monei weren entertain your point care salari fact that live america and entitl can legal obtain sandi alderson and haa famili willingli negoti salari million per year rickei couldn care get goat bullshit spout spring train sometim not plai hard hurt place not appreci thi quot chronicl second week camp and strongli suggest that dog year ownership didn kiss butt and ant monei for god sake rickei you sign contract year ago honor and plai you want steve garvei and hate put signatur piec paper shut mouth and plai hard contract matt bohnert
rec.sport.baseball	david well articl apr iccgcc decnet carrd iccgcc decnet write david well land team tiger anem pitch grab thi gui pronto for jim
rec.sport.baseball	seer stephenson pick east run complet time prophesi and predict for qualif wors finish last year predict contest east baltimor oriol oriol ponder long and hard and thi blue jai wrong direct can bring pick yanke milwauke fluke indian aren readi contend red sox bad last year and didn detroit pitch will definit replac level you don oriol will win you matter fact can team american leagu win divis paper except yanke hate bodi win pick oriol you don that bradi anderson repeat you base oriol predict expect big year cal ripken and glenn davi glenn davi that insan ado strong point hoil ripken year olson get rid billi ripken weak point segui start valenzuela origin starter oat put hitter bottom lineup that calcul maneuv minim effect slump ripken you can move ripken spot not move rest line good sign glenn davi win comeback player year bad sign tight pennant race team trade for pecota obpredict streak continu harold reynold lead team caught steal york yanke strong point abbot kei perez pitch american leagu bogg improv hay weak point mattingli consid hitter steinbrenn factor yanke lost met can wholesal never count rooki pitcher wickman millitello win divis good sign bogg hit bad sign how get arrest obpredict mattingli won top op toronto blue jai strong point manag will make big deal manag eeri power convinc team prospect not suspect olerud guzman alomar weak point jackson for bell trade shaken faith gillick lose stewart hurt rotat that bad sign outfield can base pitch thin guzman and ward good sign jack morri consid young contend august bad sign club make major deal august obpredict morri will post era and whip total last year and lose record milwauke brewer strong point pitch staff except last year weak point molitor surhoff eldr can good sign listach and eldr plai last year bad sign bone plai last year obpredict surhoff won finish year cleveland indian strong point baerga bell nagi weak point pitch staff thin lose olin hurt start felix fermin good sign bielecki era consist atlanta start bad sign ted power bullpen ac obpredict alomar will back star break boston red sox strong point clemen viola clemen detroit clemen weak point incompet basebal kei free agent sign andr dawson burk hatcher center good sign rainout clemen start bad sign clemen obpredict russel will make sox fan forget reardon interpret that you will detroit tiger strong point tettleton phillip whitak weak point fielder declin shortstop thi year worst rotat basebal replac not necessarili thi year ugli good sign cecil fielder deserv mvp bad sign cecil fielder not whine deserv mvp obpredict cecil won lead leagu rbi divis dale stephenson steph uiuc edu basebal fanat consid good wise not overburden inform golden kimbal
rec.sport.baseball	rocki not rooki new cso uiuc edu dbl uxa cso uiuc edu daniel brian lake write you that expans team fill young not gui murphi galaragga smith depend you can your veteran cheap and can perform higher level your young talent can not talent develop minor give fan familiar name cheer veteran year two that renegad front offic peopl denver open question import expans club expans draft regular draft had each dale stephenson steph uiuc edu basebal fanat consid good wise not overburden inform golden kimbal
rec.sport.baseball	cub marlin gajarski pilot njin net write morgan and guzman will era run higher last year and cub will idiot and not pitch harkei hibbard castillo won good stud pitcher thi season morgan and guzman help lead cub top era even rotat atlanta cub era brave earli season cub fan learn enjoi short triumph
rec.sport.baseball	giant quinn geniu autodesk tr autodesk tom schroeder write nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write time span brave develop john smoltz tom glavin steve averi david justic ron gant and jeff blauser averi philli jeff blauser averi pick brave mark lewi john smoltz brave tiger develop brave jeff blauser isn bad player dale stephenson steph uiuc edu basebal fanat consid good wise not overburden inform golden kimbal
rec.sport.baseball	record basebal team cub record basebal back and admir steve liu admir steve liu internet address admir jhunix hcf jhu edu command chief secur divis club earth chapter presid earth chapter club found april world champion baltimor oriol not seri yard stanlei cup champion washington capit committe for liber and intergr terrifi organ and rehabilit into societi problem that abbrevi clitori polymorph episod red dwarf bangl greatest femal rock band that exist thi sig brought you frungi sport king god man drill hole head not answer mccoi you susanna hoff nice ass comment flanagan club creat largest signatur for past month
rec.sport.baseball	player rush major don you call rush big ben mcdonald didn time minor that ball us aaa had seam larg and gave mcdonald blister forc time learn major gregg wild thing olson and mike deserv young mussina didn spend time minor read that pitcher like that time minor that not admir steve reliv sept liu admir steve liu internet address admir jhunix hcf jhu edu command chief secur divis club earth chapter presid earth chapter club found april world champion baltimor oriol not seri yard stanlei cup champion washington capit committe for liber and intergr terrifi organ and rehabilit into societi problem that abbrevi clitori polymorph episod red dwarf bangl greatest femal rock band that exist thi sig brought you frungi sport king god man drill hole head not answer mccoi you susanna hoff nice ass comment flanagan club creat largest signatur for past month
rec.sport.baseball	marlin fan watch dodger marlin game yesterdai and coupl thing impress that sun shine miami had summer atmospher earli spring for basebal comparison wriglei field earli april wintri dead ivi and bundl fan second and import fan gui gal will admit footbal fan enjoi basebal interest fan accustom miami dolphin cheer thought afc playoff open dai lot feel electr that lack lot basebal fan citi basebal charg and hope two expans team bring back excit find fridai denver bronco fan respond philli opportun pass
rec.sport.baseball	homerun person will never forget mike schmidt home run expo that decid east career high anoth home run that thought total incred alc angl had boston red sox strike pennant don baylor hit two strike pitch for home run that incred turn event basebal sox pennant thing met speak met isn strang nlc that year astro almost mirror nlc philli astro painfulli close twice admit
rec.sport.baseball	florida suck thi talk philli win east scari scari don wrong philli fan late last year look helpless funni thing lot injuri spring train that basic kill chanc don forget dykstra wrist injuri second game
rec.sport.baseball	philli deja read local paper todai found that philli start season not heard talk choke job philli that season ahead cardin game that season mid august manag lose bunch and cardin divis game ahead and lost hope thi season
rec.sport.baseball	note jai indian seri articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl rudyc netcom rudi netcom rudi wade write articl fmxd dal niguma dal gord niguma write refer histori didn season for second basemen histori didn even good season alomar last year you measur popular toronto doesn count that you base thi statement baerga lot flash alomar hitter last year batter slg obp rbi baerga alomar thi fascin you that alomar hitter last year and immedi follow that number show that baerga had year categori that show advantag for alomar obp
rec.sport.baseball	tiger stadium gif gif tiger stadium seat chart brian curran mead data central brian meaddata didn ask catch temperatur below ag carlton fisk chicago white sox catcher plai degre april ball game
rec.sport.baseball	philli deja articl apr cabel vcu edu csc imd cabel vcu edu ian derbi write read local paper todai found that philli start season not heard talk choke job philli that season ahead cardin game that season mid august manag lose bunch and cardin divis game ahead and lost hope thi season don shannon cardin fan kohl
rec.sport.baseball	brave pitch updatedir articl apr pt mot pt mot dave naehr write articl adob snichol adob sherri nichol write singl piec evid can find point major leagu basebal offens defens run score import run prevent thi pass common sens test for statist evid percent defens pitch and percent field btw sherri for data find fascin run score import run prevent penni save penni earn clich point that brave starter live potenti won offens support realiz thi big thi staff leav bosox dust legitim comparison two young winner and pitcher that team leagu kill second starter that qualiti pitcher mound team score run team that score run win thi put team pitch advantag provid can stop oppos team score run low score game benefit brave low score game due excel pitch and below averag hit flip side you had start lineup great offens player argu that thi team not great pitcher advantag simpli outscor oppon name game win even rai knight that you thi put run scoreboard that you assembl qualiti pitcher brave offens doesn strong sam dave sherri nichol snichol adob
rec.sport.baseball	tiger woof woof david shapiro peopl can call monkei felt shapiro david yale edu had piano back winter long shapiro minerva ci yale edu piano back trombon will stan belinda
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rec.sport.baseball	cub expo roster question articl apr vmsb csupomona edu cvadrnlh vmsb csupomona edu write todai cub activ mike harkei move make room for harkei delino deshield john wetteland expo for can give info ken cal poli pomona wetteland effect march that rick
rec.sport.baseball	tiger articl apr sbc sunysb edu wynblatt sbgrad sunysb edu michael wynblatt write weird thing lead into top ninth sparki us ac closer henneman tiger reliev and rest sparki trust that want henneman work tiger had dai dai and dai jim
rec.sport.baseball	philli sign mark davi that mean pai salari didn wait for clear waiver not not davi will paid club thi year phil responsb for didn wait for clear waiver club interest gambl will royal fan skeptic pitch winter ball pitch omaha didn pitch even accept major don atlanta stat not impress year save san diego pitch aw year won young for that year
rec.sport.baseball	florida suck articl apr cabel vcu edu csc imd cabel vcu edu ian derbi write thi talk philli win east scari scari don wrong philli fan late last year look helpless funni thing lot injuri spring train that basic kill chanc don forget dykstra wrist injuri second game game bat
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rec.sport.baseball	make awar that win west atlanta brave not lead wire wire game houston astro percentag point ahead unbeat brave astro byron lee nativ texan stuck utah
rec.sport.baseball	mlb stand and score for thu apr mlb stand and score for thursdai april includ yesterdai game nation west won lost pct last streak home road houston astro won atlanta brave lost san francisco giant lost lo angel dodger lost colorado rocki lost san diego padr lost cincinnati red lost nation east philadelphia philli won pittsburgh pirat won loui cardin won york met won chicago cub won montreal expo lost florida marlin won american west won lost pct last streak home road texa ranger lost california angel won oakland athlet lost seattl marin won chicago white sox won minnesota twin lost kansa citi royal lost american east boston red sox won york yanke won toronto blue jai lost detroit tiger won cleveland indian lost milwauke brewer lost baltimor oriol won yesterdai score idl team list alphabet order nation leagu american leagu houston baltimor montreal texa pittsburgh seattl san diego toronto chicago cleveland atlanta boston cincinnati california philadelphia milwauke york kansa citi colorado york florida minnesota ppd san francisco chicago rain loui detroit idl lo angel oakland idl joseph hernandez ram laker jtchern ocf berkelei edu king dodger raider jtcent soda berkelei edu angel clipper
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rec.sport.baseball	predict laugh oop across thi file last year thought you enjoi thought predict made date larg order june tedward cornel edu comput expect win percentag for each team obp total base and run allow us basic formula and pythagorean project compar thi actual win percentag stat june team obp xwp diff baltimor boston toronto york milwauke detroit cleveland minnesota oakland texa chicago california kansa citi seattl you thing turn oriol red sox and yanke disappear jai and tiger continu essenti expect pace brewer and indian crank second half ranger predict dive that shouldn surpris meanwhil predict marin drop angel and royal didn deserv record june white sox and up game bit twin drop for part thing expect blatant error for predict calcul thought thi pretti cavgeo yalevm ycc yale edu tue mar brave insert kent mercker into start rotat thi year bielecki trade releas lei brandt becom starter and bullpen basebal pena berengu stanton wohler freeman and pete smith spot start pete smith made rotat mercker and bielecki wasn releas end year won comment bullpen jeff reardon blauser win start shortstop job outright end bream and klesko nice hit honeymoon gregg jefferi platoon hunter mitchel win center field job bit star break and nixon stai valuabl pinch runner lonni releas brave find taker trade blauser wrong bream and mitchel bit earli lonni bielecki didn pick sander manag fire thi year chronolog order fregosi showalt valentin riddoch showalt and like stick mattel auto trol mattel auto trol tue mar bond get trade buc for young talent nope won divis and for shot playoff met win divis didn finish last atlanta repeat west that yanke surpris finish second toronto nope dwight gooden win surpass saberhagen win guess thi you pick met win huh roger clemen injur earli season tsk tsk not nice predict thi strawberri fail hit even home run and injur due dodger drop race you that and respons tedward tue mar hmph can you met fan you mind make counter predict follow met come pittsburgh and montreal met finish pirat and expo yanke offens and pitch flounder drop fourth place east boston win game divis pennant and world seri half dead second half ummm sox fan easi dwight gooden rush comeback get blown and mid juli saberhagen run record wfan critic met for give that great talent jefferi solid year predict for gooden and saberhagen revers close and jefferi don wfan critic jefferi trade roger clemen win anoth game close cigar articl udqceao vpeii andrew cmu edu andrew cmu edu amit likhyani write excerpt netnew rec sport basebal apr east smilei trade cavgeo yalevm ycc yale op project for hojo will streak nake forb avenu hojo not muster op wrong that project predict introduct navarra casbah acn nwu edu mon apr tedward cornel edu you care put your predict for poster you predict mark grace will rbi you your mind that almost imposs for type gui bat dawson kill ralli doesn finish you that mark driven and last year mark bat second primarili and wors year averag wise sinc bat thi year predict will back previou standard will rbi not that stretch sometim stathead lucki grace didn hit dawson entir season finish rbi nss midwai uchicago edu tue ballsi predict mark mcgwire will hit hr thi year nope slow and injuri finish didn even reach ballsi predict nonetheless ecaxron mar lerc nasa gov thu baltimor will not fade will not win divis thi year will finish game find prospect two oriol win each easier comprehend that two sox offens pitch good divis offer oriol finish game won mussina had chanc relief and start divis worth darn finish minimum fifteen game tribe that anoth reason watch baltimor thi year and won wast game rest divis for brewer you forgot you rest divis mediocr yanke and indian led win red sox trail win horribl game below djohnson caylei uwaterloo david johnson date thu aug gmt that never jai cinch clinch that milwauke will threat baltimor that toronto win don cinch you game lead game that jai talent team east and had good even averag manag bigger lead that oriol will not plai basebal for rest season you win king cogsci ucsd edu thu nov articl nov cornel edu you write indian and season predict cleveland indian will win game year you stvja meteor wisc edu fri sep jose rijo will win young award healthi thought steal base risk such injuri had didn win young maddux surpris oriol will win game year last and pitch staff will team era year not necessarili year win thi will long time verifi don want wait that long won game last year and leagu era not bad start ben mcdonald will not challeng for era titl year will victori year challeng mean finish leader leader season doesn count will never pitcher hype decent starter wasn bad last year consist ac thi year philli will give fewer walk rid bullpen coach ryan not predict whether will rid and you will give team bit time adjust radic chang fine pitch staff steal rai miller pittsburg white sox problem not bad honestli can rid total last year ricki jordan will rbi start game hit spot lineup spot lineup good obp hitter thi appli for each year don that good billi ripken will never hit good not wait check thi panix spira cmcl nyu edu fri sep matter lou gorman and scout paul quantril will never adequ major leagu starter never never start pitcher can strike per in aaa success major current plan us quantril long relief rubber arm and unusu deliveri decent that role lyle ecn purdu edu sat sep frank thoma hal morri divis winner east baltimor oriol west chicago white sox pennant chicago white sox east loui cardin west cincinatti red pennant cincinatti red champion cincinatti red wrong hal morri and favorit tedward sun oct bell will not walk time bell will hit walk bell hit last year walk time intent exagger trn strdev jhuapl edu tue mar sign cal eli wallet weld shut outgo monei wide open for incom cash predict you make note valentin that eli jacob will defer negoti cal ripken contract season eli will give cal opportun stat tumbl bit last year pace come offer despit claim 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rec.sport.baseball	found secret red sox place game into season two win each clemen and viola clemen start tonight dai rest sox man rotat thi hesketh us relief last night cheer valentin wrong sox score run two game thi week reach troubl fluke
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rec.sport.baseball	cub expo roster question make room for harkei cub shawn boski aaa
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rec.sport.baseball	dave kingman for hall fame basebal fan you don you deserv mean heck dave winfield hum consid for lee smith don give dave kingman chanc darrel evan yeah yeah hall fame take can eddi murrai and jeff reardon case sick and tire sick give hall fame consider player that todai standard margin honestli ozzi smith and robin yount don belong shortstop that hung for long time big deal select huh stop hand honor liber save for gui deserv face isn will prestig hall fame anymor individu that steve garvei jack morri potenti candid absurd appar gee can gui even compar like futur hall famer kirbi puckett nolan ryan steve
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rec.sport.baseball	dave kingman for hall fame articl apr new yale edu steve tomassi write honestli ozzi smith and robin yount don belong shortstop that hung for long time big deal you for real gold glove ozzi smith gui hung and hit homer year for year wouldn for hall defens not import and robin yount couldn hit stuck long hit you hit fluke hit big deal select huh stop hand honor liber save for gui deserv face isn will prestig hall fame anymor individu that steve garvei jack morri potenti candid absurd appar gee can gui even compar agre garvei and morri don deserv like futur hall famer kirbi puckett nolan ryan base your argument nolan ryan doesn deserv hall fame hander stuck for long time and throw hard game win season lot lose season lot walk young award nolan ryan compar gui steve carlton domin major leagu season won divison world seri and won half team game doesn compar not even close kirbi puckett hasn long for give season
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rec.sport.baseball	dave kingman for hall fame steve tomassi write basebal fan you don you deserv mean heck dave winfield hum consid for lee smith don give dave kingman chanc darrel evan yeah yeah hall fame take can eddi murrai and jeff reardon case sick and tire sick give hall fame consider player that todai standard margin honestli ozzi smith and robin yount don belong shortstop that hung for long time big deal select huh stop hand honor liber save for gui deserv face isn will prestig hall fame anymor individu that steve garvei jack morri potenti candid absurd appar gee can gui even compar like futur hall famer kirbi puckett nolan ryan steve differ nolan ryan and yount hung for year and continu post great stat shouldn dave kingman into hall murrai even reardon and hell you oppos pitcher whether think that winfield hall god pretti you that cal ripken doesn deserv hall flame you chintan amin univers illinoi urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart quick judg quick anger slow understand ignor and prejudic and fear walk hand hand
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rec.sport.baseball	torr worst manag articl hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu brian landmann write joe torr worst manag basebal brian distress cardin fan hal mcrae worst manag basebal never gui can wast talent can raw talent staff leagu and find lose surpris make week drastic improv made even frustrat royal fan darin keener dak vma smsu edu
rec.sport.baseball	dave kingman for hall fame articl jbse kkk new udel edu philli ravel udel edu robert hite write you for real gold glove ozzi smith gui hung and hit homer year for year wouldn for hall defens not import frankli offens and defens equal import pitcher defens primari role player offens even shortstop bigger part offens game defens game not part offens that anoth issu that smith and yount deserv hof hit pretti addit defens cheer valentin
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rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl qkkodinn jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo iglesia write articl apr lafibm lafayett edu lafibm lafayett edu write wonder friend and talk dai and for reason come name jewish basebal player past and present weren come for sandi koufax stankowitz and john lowenstein can come sound pretti lame rack brain thi humor for your hank greenberg famou jewish faith affect plai miss late season world seri game yom kippur jewish hof rod carew convert lowenstein jewish montana repres major leagu undeserv young award winner steve stone jewish stone koufax ken holtzman wrong pitcher think threw hitter and and big reulbach that quit start rotat moe berg can catch harri steinfeldt tinker ever chanc infield stanki jewish that dave cohen kinda misinterpret doesn stuck major long ted frank thf kimbark uchicago edu card moop law school standard disclaim
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rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr lafibm lafayett edu lafibm lafayett edu write wonder friend and talk dai and for reason come name jewish basebal player past and present weren come for sandi koufax stankowitz and stankiewicz not stankowitz and not jewish polish correct pronunci stanki ston kev itch sportscast wrong john lowenstein can come sound pretti lame rack brain thi humor for your jewish ballplay can ron blomberg major leagu ballgam alan
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rec.sport.baseball	and america team kingoz camelot bradlei edu orin roth write offici brave start win offici and receiv thi label understand that ted turner owner brave start run station nationwid and start run team game nationwid station dub team america team that team time game across america wor nationwid beauti secaucu not met game wor wgn chicago and wsbk boston two superst east coast don cub sox sox game show hymi hymowitz jhu edu mellow dead weird yankov you your mellow laid back attitud sonni cuckoo bird josh
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rec.sport.baseball	mlb stand and score for sat apr mlb stand and score for satrudai april includ yesterdai game nation west won lost pct last streak home road san francisco giant won houston astro won atlanta brave lost lo angel dodger won colorado rocki lost san diego padr won cincinnati red lost nation east philadelphia philli lost pittsburgh pirat lost loui cardin lost york met won chicago cub won montreal expo won florida marlin lost american west won lost pct last streak home road texa ranger lost california angel lost chicago white sox won minnesota twin won oakland athlet lost seattl marin lost kansa citi royal lost american east boston red sox lost york yanke won detroit tiger won toronto blue jai lost cleveland indian won baltimor oriol won milwauke brewer lost yesterdai score idl team list alphabet order nation leagu american leagu york met chicago white sox cincinnati red boston red sox florida marlin california angel houston astro baltimor oriol philadelphia philli kansa citi royal chicago cub minnesota twin colorado rocki seattl marin montreal expo detroit tiger pittsburgh pirat toronto blue jai lo angel dodger cleveland indian atlanta brave texa ranger san francisco giant york yanke loui cardin oakland athlet ppd san diego padr milwauke brewer rain joseph hernandez ram laker jtchern ocf berkelei edu king dodger raider jtcent soda berkelei edu angel clipper
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr scott skidmor edu jrogoff scott skidmor edu jai rogoff write book that you can find sale catalogu occasion call jewish basebal star and basebal mavin peter bjarkman compil pretti definit list jewish ballplay big hadn sold copi jewish basebal star short shelf top toilet tank special write that book astonishingli aw sportswrit clich nth degre and mangl that funni rusinow author roger
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rec.sport.baseball	jewish broadcast jewish basebal player articl unix amherst edu ddsokol unix amherst edu daniel sokol write roger lustig roger crux princeton edu wrote articl apr acad drake edu sbp acad drake edu write articl world std eastgat world std mark bernstein write for that matter gentleman press box jewish jewish sportscast that come mind steve william had philli show kyw philadelphia howard cosel come mind gee len berman jewish steve stone wgn cub pitcher overr jewish toni korhiez and shirli povich mauri dad washington post shirlei aliv wonder roger danni
rec.sport.baseball	talk philli articl apr adob snichol adob sherri nichol write articl apr leland stanford edu eechen leland stanford edu emeri ethan chen write phrase for you you perhap time start rec sport basebal graffiti kiddi can yell taunt and insult each and leav rest peac sherri nichol snichol adob sherri agre you that kiddi sens spew obscen front group adult edit thi newsgroup and feed local elementari school group student that love basebal and learn us comput tell you point that don even edit file anymor read and throw trash and you peopl that wonder includ swear word two your signatur file that nice read articl and toss sig don wrong word you and even made wouldn edit thi doesn place public forum spew foul languag you peopl that mind decent young peopl interest basebal and comput read thi newsgroup enjoi your articl phil
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rec.sport.baseball	defens averag shortstop articl apr leland stanford edu addison leland stanford edu brett roger write articl steph pegasu uiuc edu steph pegasu uiuc edu dale stephenson write smith ozzi wizard second highest year good don number declin year year defens liabil that rich ozzi smith defens liabil you suppos immun ravag time year doesn grounder us and will fewer leg human rememb willi mai defens liabil end career ditto mickei mantl ditto plai into late roger brett roger addison leland stanford edu
rec.sport.baseball	score articl qplh agat berkelei edu jtchern ocf berkelei edu joseph hernandez write articl innfjg senat bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charl kozierok write articl apr new yale edu sean garrison write stuff upat in score delet that exact time messag even result game not hernandez post daili stand and result dai suppos that compliment put wonder meant compliment thi servic entir basebal world usenet for east coast can final score for west coast game newspap late newscast thi help fan countri receiv weekli score updat week request for thi kind servic previous bb pai new servic mine free charg and copyright restrict not critic your servic fact encourag us don person us and that point post for individu duplic hoc fashion you organ you want send updat and score set privat mail list and us that rememb post final score and updat stand onc dai rec sport basebal newsgroup that privat mail peopl mail list that branch into mail list for and list grow averag peopl dai person such great idea not that good work joseph charl
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rec.sport.baseball	brave pitch updatedir articl murdoch acc virginia edu david robert walker write articl blue ci pitt edu traven pitt edu neal traven write separ offens into bat and baserun split and give baserun credit that even give team roberto alomar and team john olerud ident bat stat wouldn that unreason and even you don roberto steal singl base score lot olerud offens gordon wouldn give baserun that effect clear effect olerud hit doubl runner will score alomar leg extra base hit gap runner hold olerud doubl advanc alomar alomar like score hit doubl anoth reason not give extra baserun that run creat formula work for fast and slow team team ran team had faster player current run creat formula work for team bill jame senat exampl us harmon killebrew regularli pinch runner and stole base time caught steal score slightli run predict run creat david grabin grabin zariski harvard edu number you dial imaginari rotat your phone degre and disclaim speak for and speak for
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rec.sport.baseball	predict laugh steve novak write edward ted fischer write robert hite write dead wrong last time check jim fregosi manag philli and quit fine job you record basebal asshol confus didn flame you and you extend courtesi your problem hite post wasn flame correct your error that last steve novak sinc read entir origin post hite fischer restrain hite hope never make similar tini mistak steve novak ban bomb ban pope steven advtech uswest
rec.sport.baseball	mel hall articl apr coe montana edu warp montana edu doug dolven write heard mel hall thi season heard wasn yanke happen doug dolven mel aliv and and plai japan yank ask for monei and thought that barri bond make hall obsolet oopsi neill replac mel man outta vladimir alan scene real geniu val kilmer pick gorgeou blond val can for you point you you blond can you hammer six inch spike board your peni val not blond girl gotta standard walk
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri todai april jack morri lost start jai and injur dave stuart thi credit rest pitch staff jack lost bit edg worst start jack morri had
rec.sport.baseball	dodger straight pirat articl qqob innqev mizar usc edu pcaster mizar usc edu dodger write davi and strawberri attribut turn around reggi smith dodger bat coach flew florida dai ago and gave pep talk and instruct davi yesterdai and had coupl hit todai strawberri had two hit yesterdai and had two todai two home run foolish and thought had fact that hit wakefield had kncukl ball that dai and otto stuff reggi gave pep talk and instruct rest lineup suddenli aliv two game beastmast mark singer mss netcom
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rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig write articl apr husc harvard edu fry zariski harvard edu david fry write onc jeopardi categori jewish sport hero not answer thi pitcher had hitter dodger contest hank aaron alex trebek don hank aaron pitcher jewish name roger that rememb hank greenberg
rec.sport.baseball	mel hall articl apr coe montana edu warp montana edu doug dolven write heard mel hall thi season heard wasn yanke happen japan plai basebal tom gwitt gwittt alleg edu
rec.sport.baseball	sandberg run rbi note jai indian seri articl jqby new rich bnr bratt crchh nosubdomain nodomain john bratt write rbi and run score two import offens statist you can talk obp and slg you want fact remain team that score run win game flame john bratt you ask for guess that doesn bode for cub doug robert will trade frank bolick for bag us basebal expo
rec.sport.baseball	and america team kingoz camelot bradlei edu orin roth write offici brave start win offici and receiv thi label unoff doubt america team cub guess america love underdog year matter cub talent predict never close never win year lose mount america fallen love perenni loser cub fan chicago team worldwid cub fan worldwid team divis combin aura excit surround cub begin season includ champ that etern hope thi year talent good start pitch hit strong point time that inevit that cub will eventu win god sinc long come time anoth year final win and start win consist cub will remain america lovabl underdog cub america team orin bradlei defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub root for cub feel for basic dog pirat todai great exampl underdog rocki and marlin compet will underdog north star trip stanlei cup final good exampl underdog journei cub good team thi year and plai weak divis america team jester disguis chintan amin univers illinoi urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu neil peart quick judg quick anger slow understand ignor and prejudic and fear walk hand hand
rec.sport.baseball	tiger pound marin pali footbal basebal detroit saturdai school peopl footbal two game thi week tiger score run offens can carri hope pitch will hold camden yard yesterdai everytim look score get higher great site tiger kick butt enjoi game camden yard tiger and toni phillip
rec.sport.baseball	scott erickson scoop scot erickson long for
rec.sport.baseball	and america team cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub virtual imposs win divis talent game amend your definit underdog team expect lose win underestim talent dave
rec.sport.baseball	bosox win team record todai frank viola and rest pitcher staff boston red sox shutout chicago white sox red sox win thi season red sox won game roger and frank pitch and starter pitch tomorrow dopson will pitch good start and rocki second start that bosox can plai ball roger and frank
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player dave kingman jewish bob comarow eisner decu org
rec.sport.baseball	and america team previou articl steinman utoronto david steinman cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub virtual imposs win divis talent game amend your definit underdog team expect lose win underestim talent dave met and good exampl red you that expect sweep peopl didn even win game alon win seri prove wrong didn for thi year ignor record had rocki start and that noth colorado rise hunt for red octob continu due respect wlw bye michelson spring olymp champion road ralli leg race rope pull snarf penni war banner spirit cheer michelson menac ride don you love that intens nationalist feel resid hall
rec.sport.baseball	note jai indian seri articl hpcv andi bgsu edu klopfen andi bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein write cmk athena mit edu charl kozierok write articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write guess line obp slg love alomar fan left rbi thi list give break delai interest fair stat elia obp slg rbi rni out alomar baerga that baerga larg advantag rbi run bat rni runner not driven and out john rickert rickert nextwork rose hulman edu
rec.sport.baseball	basebal spread read bet spread for basebal tend mean not run david rex wood davewood colorado edu univers colorado boulder
rec.sport.baseball	rocki relief onc rocki bullpen fell apart andi ashbi pitch six somewhat shaki in give run game dread relief picther combin give run each in and blew save opportun final expo despit problem pen rocki team that wont lightli into todai game had leagu lead hitter and rbi man galarraga two leader stolen base young and cole and increasingli strong start pitch david rex wood davewood colorado edu univers colorado boulder
rec.sport.baseball	rocki relief articl apr colorado edu davewood bruno colorado edu david rex wood write shaki in give run game dread relief picther combin give run each in lightli into todai game had leagu lead geez can type david rex wood davewood colorado edu univers colorado boulder
rec.sport.baseball	basebal spread articl apr colorado edu davewood bruno colorado edu david rex wood write read bet spread for basebal tend mean not run that spread mean you bet underdog win favorit win charl
rec.sport.baseball	bosox win team record articl jxu black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck write todai frank viola and rest pitcher staff boston red sox shutout chicago white sox red sox win thi season red sox won game roger and frank pitch and starter pitch tomorrow dopson will pitch good start and rocki second start that bosox can plai ball roger and frank long yanke divis red sox will plai basebal red sox can hire east german swim coach train fine art bodi build red sox can us chines women swimmer refer hawk red sox chanc for east thi year bring class work ethic and leadership park each dai and burn desir plai world seri futur hall famer andr dawson will kick butt boston rocki countri anthoni jivoin nation center for atmospher research rsf atd box boulder
rec.sport.baseball	royal articl spork camelot spork camelot bradlei edu richard izzo write dark delet lighten depress that finish last hasn happen sinc second season nope royal team major that not finish last place thi doesn includ marlin and rocki good chanc finish last rich
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri previou articl tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer articl cinnpel skeena uc ubc stloui unixg ubc phill loui write jack morri start playoff start era start luck era lucki win last year had era team that score lot run happi pitch era suffer total callaps bad pitcher prone thi total collaps good pitcher closer chasm mediocr smallest push and complet lose grip good can collaps somewhat come back year burleigh grime win and era and era pitch for year carlton won and lost year record sourc bill jame histor basebal abstract and not forget john tudor start and finish had pretti bad era you busch stadium into account start season gave earli run game and stronger game give run last stai game and get win pitch in yup us dig hole togeth and stick run support eventu thi year hasn togeth recal had era half and era half last year hmmm run in suppos start game and wind in pitch run game in era end year total thi hard come back jack finish time retir releas not return form last year million contract aw lot eat hunch that morri gutsi and that pitch injuri and not tell guess that will banish bullpen remaind season start perhap stewart come will danni cox scoreless in tribe todai start for morri good gaston scrambl find starter imagin luckili jai good offens don dare releas end year replac stewart cox doug fowler dxf cwru edu ag mommi and daddi casei rel give lot hug love miss strike poem support heaven great ran and made big hug that last forev and
rec.sport.baseball	red snap game lose streak redreport kevin mitchel sacrific fly eighth brett saberhagen plate pitch runner cesar hernandez give red come victori york hernandez ran for pinch hitter cecil espi in start solid singl move second bob kelli infield sneaker base line and jeff branson bunt rare show excel execut recent hapless red offens cincinnati trail starter tim pugh blink had hit in fourth in lead doubl vinc coleman coleman left strand bobbi bonilla joe orselak pop short orselak pinch hit for eddi murrai argu plate umpir kellogg insid strike draw line that murrai and manag jeff torborg end get toss met start howard johnson pitch homer pugh slightli shaken pop pitch jeff kent singl ryan thompson liner left surpris misplai mitchel and turn into rbi tripl catcher hundlei grounder drawn branson fail bring thompson plai game occur saberhagen due red pitch coach larri rothschild met infield discuss possibl suicid squeez call perfectli thompson hung dry pugh pitch pitch and threat end isn nation leagu great red pick run seventh knot game barri larkin ground mitchel chri sabo and randi milligan back back back singl score mitchel reggi sander plate sabo long fly center doubl oliv score runner dan wilson base coach dave bristol threw stop sign late wilson hung dry kill red ralli rob dibbl ninth and pitch shakili two out and runner second bonilla plate and sundai game late august last year bonilla run dinger slap loss dibbl and spell begin end for cinci season bonilla end walk and hojo fli left give red win week and earn dibbl save opportun win steve foster ego boost two perfect in work strike saberhagen loss bit surpris even pitch eighth red worst team basebal royal victori todai met line york met coleman fernandez murrai orselak bonilla johnson kent thompson hundlei saberhagen total johnson pugh lead pitch thompson pugh rbi pick coleman pugh fourth strand rbi johnson thompson cincinnati red kelli branson larkin mitchel dibbl sabo milligan wilson sander oliv pugh robert foster espi hernandez total oliv strand seventh doubl wilson run oliv saberhagen runner strand rbi milligan sander and mitchel sac branson sander and mitchel ibb larkin gdp larkin york cincinnati pitch york saberhagen cincinnati pugh foster dibbl wilson eject murrai torborg ump kellogg relliford rung demuth attend come red travel pittsburgh for continu into chicago for game tuesdai expect pitch belcher tomlin rstimet
rec.sport.baseball	dimension team royal final run total previou articl sweda css itd umich edu sean sweda thi for quit time absent net for figur stick neck bit royal will set record for fewest run score team sinc incept rule idea thi will fall easili short run that for damn can media fool pick win divis tom gage detroit new claim herk robinson kind geniu for trade aquisit made you thing dodger true cone good drysdal and koufax team win home run leader had bad total lot low score game etc and didn us reliev jeff montgomeri super season for that pick superb pitch team can win hit chanc that team tremend hit pitch you peopl team johnson koufax prime seaver carlton and young real order starter sutter finger and lyle bullpen puni offens assum good defens mazeroski maranvil etc team poor pitch offens cobb carew ruth gehrig mai schmidt wagner and bench you pick order postul that pitch game season end even hitter can succe time year great pitcher can throw lot shutout take player prime throw shutout year and offens run across stratomat plug such time team into regular season plai and report result love that doug fowler dxf cwru edu ag mommi and daddi casei rel give lot hug love miss strike poem support heaven great ran and made big hug that last forev and
rec.sport.baseball	earli bbddd return articl apr new brandei edu pip brandei edu adam levin write curiou start standout earli season ddd thi year concern fan ddd hope produc updat ddd thi week send info signific longest critic etc home run that you thi season vinc
rec.sport.baseball	and america team articl kingoz camelot kingoz camelot bradlei edu orin roth write offici brave start win offici and receiv thi label unoff doubt america team cub orin bradlei jester disguis survei that show that america favorit team damn yanke for underdog love obbasebal trivia cardin seri yank lose record spring train game not count shannon
rec.sport.baseball	montreal question posit mike lans plai cannot find anywher keith mullin ooo ooo internet plymouth take big man cry mullin plymouth edu
rec.sport.baseball	detroit tiger roar michigan and trumbul loader thi year mike illitch head and erni harwel back booth tiger bat will bang thi summer score run two game and fielder tettleton and deer can win divis pitch bull gulli moor well and krueger make decent staff that will team into game henneman close watch boston toronto and baltimor motor citi kitti back
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rec.sport.baseball	and america team articl gui utoronto steinman utoronto david steinman write cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub virtual imposs win divis talent game player quit win manageri talent blue jai david david shapiro peopl can call monkei felt shapiro david yale edu had piano back winter long shapiro minerva ci yale edu piano back trombon will stan belinda
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rec.sport.baseball	montreal question articl apr plymouth edu mullin plymouth edu mulli write posit mike lans plai cannot find anywher plai deshield shift delino back and todai plai for cold wil cordero natur posit middl infield will seemingli find spot for himm long bat hot tiernei
rec.sport.baseball	detroit tiger david vergolini write roar michigan and trumbul loader thi year mike illitch head and erni harwel back booth tiger bat will bang thi summer score run two game and fielder tettleton and deer can win divis pitch bull gulli moor well and krueger make decent staff that will team into game yeah tiger can score run game read thi woof correctli midseason slump pull thi team content yogi david dwarner journal indiana edu blue riddl product rap art come tape thi time for real mail for
rec.sport.baseball	detroit tiger articl msuinfo msu edu vergolin euler lb msu edu david vergolini write roar michigan and trumbul loader thi year mike illitch head and erni harwel back booth tiger bat will bang thi summer score run two game and fielder tettleton and deer can win divis pitch bull gulli moor well and krueger make decent staff that will team into game henneman close watch boston toronto and baltimor motor citi kitti back nice woof meow and tigger fun excit team that pai last year thi year offens essenti and pitch essenti you will suddenli improv win game will requir win east chang that don rememb win worth stand win charl
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl apr mnemosyn edu gspira nyx edu greg spira write howard wong mindlink howard wong write jack lost bit edg worst start jack morri had jack lost edg year ago and had averag year last prove that good lucki you can count good tomorrow lucki prone bad start and bad finish last year enjoi last run morri sign viola cheer valentin hei valentin don boston world seri ring finger damn morri and hall fame futur toronto easili made sign and don boston will win thi year won even top divis shawn
rec.sport.baseball	and america team articl new cso uiuc edu cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl don you can call team tom seaver jerri koosman and nolan ryan pitch staff team that talent come improv forseeabl greg
rec.sport.baseball	and america team qsk dck usenet in cwru edu jdl cwru edu justin low write previou articl steinman utoronto david steinman cka uxa cso uiuc edu oriolefan uiuc write defenit underdog team that talent and come contend met and oriol prime exampl not cub virtual imposs win divis talent game amend your definit underdog team expect lose win underestim talent dave met and good exampl red you that expect sweep peopl didn even win game alon win seri peopl silli team that get world seri can win world seri and expect sweep crazi you put team basebal seri worst team basebal worst team win game time and win seri odd greg
rec.sport.baseball	zane rescu simmon simmon total idiot zane smith learn switchpitch and return zane smith pitch hand moeller pitch simmon readi told you otto had impress win last week otto latest debacl restor simmon reput back form had highest era starter sake not ted sake hope pitch era for rest season yeah tomlin and merc bit disappoint decent consider amount talent and matur shown season bit wors tomlin almost unhitt rooki year lefti batter merc had good oba rooki year show lot concentr plate rooki year walk lose end tonight that walk desrv contract leyland accept part blame for lavallier situat can understand and manag fear lose tom princ waiver even us aright hander slaught not smart platoon blame leyland thi case sinc hcurrent convinc that lavallier give time last year regular season and playoff slaught plai game good averag hand pitch didn leyland and simmon forse thi last year and attempt trade lavallier last year fool lavallier wasn fit last year denni moeller scari candeleria not such high era end season will rang million come customari home run give stage patterson for week patterson serv pirat each year pitch for ranger pirat spent monei patterson stead rooki batter young surpris bit instant impact that excel perform hasn surpris doughti for that rooki pitcher wors expect cook slaught come wasn contract extens last year increas immens lonni smith eric davi sign for compar amount eric can hit can run can field didnt pirat eric davi injur davi healthi lonni smith even lonnni smith get big hit thi year won asset look terribl base and field manag big big sauer make forc agreement favor revenu share concern pleas that idiot danforth prepar team for move tampa bai alex cole fiasco pirat infield and posit good and look good cole replac two outfield eric davi van slyke and cole made respect outfield even eric davi thye pirat respect outfield cole svan slyke and merc hit left hand left stead switch hit simmon option for outfield iron biggest accomplish simmon tenur get alex cole cheap bad compensatori draft pick for bond forget pirat can rant and rave will not pick issu appeal thi doesnt convinc that simmon and sauer idiot noth will final note tim wakefield won aw last start don count pitch last year for rest season pirat content rthe end season will miss redu clutch hit and speed peak second half last season pravin ratnam
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rec.sport.baseball	met rapist todd karlin write not read klapisch new column regularli that accus instig that enjoi hopefulli for profession reason drumb new stori even isn confront bobbi bonilla dai ago almost total blame bonilla matter member press and matter putrid individu that not give ballplay threaten journalist bonilla wasn threaten want give dollar tour david dwarner journal indiana edu blue riddl product rap art come tape thi time for real mail for
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rec.sport.baseball	montreal question articl apr plymouth edu mullin plymouth edu mulli write posit mike lans plai cannot find anywher keith mullin ooo ooo internet plymouth take big man cry mullin plymouth edu plai and heard can plai short shawn
rec.sport.baseball	zane rescu simmon last messag wrote manag big big sauer make forc agreement favor revenu share meant argument agreement add cooupl ted posit achiev smilei trade good for pirat ted neagl cum pretti good cole trade excel simmon botch thi year draft for pirat lost high pick bond fiasco give prove that simmon not total idiot
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rec.sport.baseball	zane rescu simmon articl sfovx mium andrew cmu edu mamatha devineni ratnam andrew cmu edu write simmon total idiot leyland accept part blame for lavallier situat can understand and manag fear lose tom princ waiver even us aright hander slaught not smart platoon blame leyland thi case sinc hcurrent convinc that lavallier give time last year regular season and playoff slaught plai game good averag hand pitch didn leyland and simmon forse thi last year and attempt trade lavallier last year fool lavallier wasn fit last year thi biggest load bunk pirat trade lavallier for time even vagu interest team had made that grab princ option lavallier releas had noth releas event injuri slaught lavallier longer capabl everydai catcher sinc slaught good righti lefti offens improv thi move tobi
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rec.sport.baseball	note jai indian seri hpcv andi bgsu edu klopfen andi bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein write cmk athena mit edu charl kozierok write articl apr csd newshost stanford edu nlu xenon stanford edu nelson write guess line obp slg love alomar fan left rbi thi list give break alomar fan left rbi fan and run thi list depend team larg extent frank thoma hit lose lot rbi and place hitter you drive run doesn happen that devon white obp front you gord niguma fav player john olerud
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rec.sport.baseball	note jai indian seri hpg andi bgsu edu klopfen andi bgsu edu bruce klopfenstein write kime mongoos torolab ibm edward kim write tend call offens contribut even alomar win hand defens capabl not talk number error includ lind rang and athletic second base can recal recent past turn doubl plai alomar don you stat baerga not defens second baseman leagu damn good check stat for dp last year and for defens averag stat post sherri baerga had highest percentag dp turn leagu alomar had worst alomar had higher defens averag alomar opportun groundbal doubl plai alomar had groundout and turn dp baerga had groundout and dp baerga opportunit groundbal doubl plai alomar had groundout and dp baerga had groundout and dp baerga lower will baerga consist turn twice doubl plai alomar establish high level defens baerga not bet alomar year last year baerga good dale stephenson steph uiuc edu grad student larg consid good wise not overburden inform golden kimbal
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rec.sport.baseball	opi week opi offens product index for player bat earli season high number last year leader frank thoma team denot charact name and each player team preceed name equat us found end post comment and suggest kevin leagu opi leagu leagu slg leagu oba rank player opi slg oba tor carter cle baerga det phillip oak mcgwire tor white bal anderson nyi owen oak rhenderson mil thon oak brown tex palmer det gibson cle howard nyi tartabul tex rodriguez tex gonzalez bo zupcic sea felder oak blankenship min puckett nyi oneil cle bell sea buhner mil hamilton det whitak det fielder tor spragu whi cora whi rain nyi kelli bo quintana sea tmartinez cal gonzal whi burk cal snow whi karkovic cleveland cle sorrento sea amar bo cooper min winfield cal curti bo mvaughn oak steinbach oakland nyi maa kan joyner min knoblauch bo greenwel oak brosiu tor olerud bal merced nyyanke bal hoil mil kmak oak dhenderson cle lofton min larkin bo dawson cle camartinez det gladden cal polonia california detroit det tettleton cal disarcina cal easlei bal bain tex franco whi ljohnson sea vizquel nyi bwilliam mil gvaughn min hrbek bal cripken seattl cal salmon kan mcreynold toronto texa min pagliarulo whitesox kan hiatt whi guillen whi thoma kan mcrae boston cle hill nyi mattingli baltimor bal gomez minnesota whi fisk cle jefferson oak neel cal cdavi bo fletcher milwauke det livingston tor ralomar kansasc oak bordick tex canseco sea vall bal devereaux kan lind mil surhoff kan brett whi bell cle salomar mil jaha det fryman nyi bogg tex bripken min mack min harper cle fermin bo rivera mil spier mil yount tor schofield tex huls sea griffei sea obrien kan macfarlan oak sierra kan jose bo hatcher sea blower whi ventura tex palmeiro bal reynold kan mayn cal myer nyi noke bo calderon bo pena tor molitor det deer det cuyler tor border whi grebeck bal gdavi tex dascenzo min leiu mil reimer tor djackson tex gill kan gagn opi slg oba jet propuls laboratori schmke cco caltech edu oak grove schmidt spc jpl nasa gov pasadena
rec.sport.baseball	opi week opi offens product index for player bat earli season high number barri bond finish last season comment and suggest kevin leagu opi leagu leagu slg leagu oba rank player opi slg oba phi daulton phi kruk cub grace cub col boston pit bell col galarraga stl pena stl zeil cin mitchel mon lans pit slaught mon vanderw nym tfernandez snf martinez hou bagwel col hay col eyoung mon alou cin milligan phi dykstra snf bond flo conin snd plantier hou gonzalez hou anthoni col cole atl sander mon berri cub sosa stl jefferi pit vanslyk montreal lo butler mon grissom pit king snd gwynn pit merc nym murrai stl gilkei nym bonilla snd walter cub wilson flo weiss philadelphia atl justic pittsburgh stl osmith phi incaviglia pit young stloui colorado nym hundlei nym orsulak snf benjamin atl gant nymet houston mon pitcher phi morandini hou cedeno cin sabo snf manwar snfrancisco atl blauser snf thompson hou camin flo barberi mon cordero snd sheffield lo karro snf william snd mcgriff flo destrad col girardi atl bream mon wood flo santiago phi thompson snf clayton lo piazza snd bell lo wallach cin larkin pit garcia cincinnati nym coleman nym kent stl whiten cin robert cub snf lewi hou finlei col clark lo pitcher sndiego atl lemk losangel snf mcgee atlanta cin sander cin oliv snd gardner lo reed phi hollin florida lo davi atl pendleton snf clark lo strawberri hou biggio phi bell flo magadan stl pagnozzi pit martin col bichett hou taubense mon bolick flo pose mon cianfrocco nym johnson cin kelli atl nixon nym pitcher pit pitcher cub buechl stl lankford atl olson cub vizcaino cub sanchez phi duncan lo offerman snf pitcher mon laker phi chamberlain snd pitcher atl pitcher phi pitcher cub maldonado flo felix cin espi stl jordan atl berryhil cub pitcher snd shiplei stl pitcher hou pitcher col benavid cin pitcher cub wilkin flo pitcher col pitcher opi slg oba jet propuls laboratori schmke cco caltech edu oak grove schmidt spc jpl nasa gov pasadena
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rec.sport.baseball	bob knepper damn articl new duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write articl aginn shellei washington edu tannerg hardi washington edu glenn tanner write for start rec sport idiot for peopl respond obviou flamebait nah reserv rec sport idiot for peopl post obviou flamebait funni didn realiz tanner brought bob knepper pam postema place thought name jacob post controversi not mention idiot austin post wide access newsgroup challeng statement statement idiot and univers thought challeng wast pant challeng that noth noth basebal wast time you problem bob knepper think hear sort categor manner question whether knepper postema aren new thi point read postema book interest school thought that suggest that silenc consent agre thi thi idea not appli life appli forum public discuss sez you you read you find that even elementari school children had access post albeit edit form make carefulli thing post that not come you road conclus austin post drivel obscur newsgroup that don read fine rant rave and drool name free speech drool newsgroup that read will support provid rebutt drool even elementari school children had access post albeit edit form you want hear you talk thi don you want peopl come thi group talk basebal you you want you polit correct demagogu sensit hum you limit free speech obscur newsgroup that don read you problem jacob knepper think you defeat idea and speech easi for knepper notic sometim gui will darn thing that pop head mike shove front you that copi for new that isn pre prepar knepper controversi idea women pop question postema interest relat question whether two appear game top head guess guess knepper pop that had noth and postema get book for and doesn you don read thi and you want cut flame don post flamebait you don respond flame save cyberspac didn that can plai barri bond plai two movi
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rec.sport.baseball	hbp big cat articl blue ci pitt edu dtate pitt edu david tate write thi not claim that galarraga inabl defer gratif isn hurt team isn paid walk rbi gui alright that suffer kind insult typic for net give break galarraga bat and you gui complain that isn draw walk you gui bat you can claim that hurt team happen that pitcher start throw fewer good pitch and start make lot out specul happen agre you that isn take pitch comment that isn paid walk doesn mean that licens swing bad pitch and make out line bat and lead leagu rbi bloodi differ make isn draw lot walk sheesh greg
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rec.sport.baseball	basemen sean garrison write articl apr tesla njit edu drm tesla njit edu wrote don mattingli baseman histori basebal will keith hernandez sean bag vin sculli mark grace and year frank thoma chintan amin univers illinoi urbanachampaign mail llama uiuc edu sig construct hard hat area
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rec.sport.baseball	autograph will clark jerk articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl apr island fester island mike fester write curious haven you point thi thing neipor make unsubstanti accus will clark for take word two leonard repeatedli had problem will and mitchel refus comment mike you prove your utter inabl read plain english iron that post that critic langaug abil critic invari make mistak english gener written english find liter and explain full post you not will clark racist not will clark not racist that not and you not that not care and giant concern oddli not that contest that perhap you assuredli greater english abil can explain tini word that grasp mean precis infer that you thing david niepor understood post and repli privat mail you perhap read lesson fisher you place burden proof make alleg place you not perhap you explain that for email rout fisher you that mike
rec.sport.baseball	hit stolen centerfield disclaim thi for fun computer basebal game track categori call stolen hit defin plai made that averag fielder not make averag effort defens averag post sherri nichol sherri figur defens stat for centerfield hit stolen redefin plai juan gonzalez not made realiz that unfair juan victim pitch staff fluke shot and monster park factor put thi replac centerfield leagu kevin make abil extra hit and correl realiti calcul net hit stolen base number out made compar leagu averag fielder make method calcul net extra base doubl and tripl final throw thi into formula call defens contribut dcon basic repres defens contribut player add thi number op dop defens onbas slug repres player total contribut team don formula for dcon appear end thi articl short version definit term hit stolen extra out compar kurt stillwel nh net hit stolen extra out compar averag fielder ndp net doubl plai extra doubl plai turn compar avg fielder neb net extra base extra base prevent compar avg fielder dcon defens contribut base and hit prevent rate dop dcon op quick dirti measur player total contribut nation leagu name nh neb dcon dop nixon grissom jackson lewi dykstra dascenzo finlei lankford martinez vanslyk sander butler johnson order dop vanslyk lankford grissom dykstra nixon finlei sander jackson averag butler martinez dascenzo lewi johnson american leagu name nh neb dcon dop lofton wilson white felix devereaux mcrae yount kelli johnson griffei puckett cuyler gonzalez order dop lofton griffei devereaux white puckett wilson gonzalez yount felix averag kelli johnson mcrae cuyler discuss dcon formula nh ndp nh ndp neb such bizzar formula basic design ad into op idea that run prevent import run score extra out factor into obp extra base remov factor into slg that us and divisor for discuss post hit stolen base dale stephenson steph uiuc edu basebal fanat consid good wise not overburden inform golden kimbal
rec.sport.baseball	hit stolen left field disclaim thi for fun computer basebal game track categori call stolen hit defin plai made that averag fielder not make averag effort defens averag post sherri nichol sherri figur defens stat for leftfield hit stolen redefin plai kevin bass not made realiz that unfair kevin victim pitch staff fluke shot and monster park factor put thi replac leftfield leagu kevin make abil extra hit and correl realiti calcul net hit stolen base number out made compar leagu averag fielder make method calcul net extra base doubl and tripl final throw thi into formula call defens contribut dcon basic repres defens contribut player add thi number op dop defens onbas slug repres player total contribut team don formula for dcon appear end thi articl short version definit term hit stolen extra out compar kurt stillwel nh net hit stolen extra out compar averag fielder ndp net doubl plai extra doubl plai turn compar avg fielder neb net extra base extra base prevent compar avg fielder dcon defens contribut base and hit prevent rate dop dcon op quick dirti measur player total contribut nation leagu name nh neb dcon dop gonzalez gilkei clark alou bond gant bass order dop bond gilkei gonzalez alou clark averag gant bass american leagu name nh neb dcon dop rain anderson henderson vaughn gladden hall mack polonia mcreynold maldanado reimer order dop henderson anderson rain mack vaughn hall averag maldanado mcreynold gladden reimer polonia discuss dcon formula nh ndp nh ndp neb such bizzar formula basic design ad into op idea that run prevent import run score extra out factor into obp extra base remov factor into slg that us and divisor for discuss post hit stolen base dale stephenson steph uiuc edu basebal fanat consid good wise not overburden inform golden kimbal
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rec.sport.baseball	harri carai articl blue ci pitt edu traven pitt edu neal traven write dave almost curs jai kirsch kirsch staff umn edu wrote articl oasi navi mil odel oasi navi mil bernard farmer newsgroup rec sport basebal dell write not quit reason man not enraptur ol harri wife don claim whether true not coupl peopl total unrel harri reliev duti had platon relat augi busch wife judgement left individu cuz don claim impeach sourc thi case not quit allud bing devin redbird administr time heard bing speak last year sabr nation btw had show hand will attend thi year sabr nation san diego neal traven pitt edu you young onc you can traven vm ci pitt edu immatur forev larri andersen harri talk thi incid autobiographi holi cow can not clarifi thi sinc read book coupl year ago and not book pretti interest book you harri cub fan rob
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rec.sport.baseball	speed game margin realist articl apr vfl paramax davidm gvl vfl paramax david madden write anoth pair suggest remov balk rule runner respons stai safe matter pitcher pitcher throw occupi base time successfulli pick runner runner advanc base walk thi last suggest will increas number stolen base consider suppos pitcher pick attempt runner can stretch lead base that will extra pressur pitcher thi time thi suggest appli pick attempt per pitch per batter per base runner base edward baranoski mit lincoln laboratori box not get that good lexington harri chapin greyhound
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rec.sport.baseball	neon deon sander brave giant articl apr bnlux bnl gov kyee bnlux bnl gov kenton yee write phisto gatech edu tmiller cimmeria gatech edu thoma miller write that thi weekend game seri strang yup wonder time brave talent outfield neon deon not start whoa aren you forget coupl gui name gant and justic gui can hit hr lead and steal can lead steal hit never hit homer you for thi base and start gui nixon and bream ahead can that advantag nixon deon that nixon defens outfield you not deon hype season last year good not convinc that can remind year tim wallach hit homer and had rbi never even close happen prefer gui busi and don plai for attent doug robert larri walker god delino deshield think john bratt you send email system can find your site
rec.sport.baseball	torr worst manag prism gatech edu michael andr mule write articl hydra gatech edu prism gatech edu brian landmann write ninth in base load and two out put lankford hitter power pinch runner and lui alicea hitter power pinch hitter helll think memori serv alicea hit and damn ti game torr player you not mention that lankford had hurt two night run into outfield wall thi reason pinch rib problem run not hit torr white rat give credit for pretti darn good manag except felix fiasco not brainchild that bil cardin mail list
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rec.sport.baseball	box score abbrev woe scott asd scott barman write articl apr scott skidmor edu jrogoff scott skidmor edu jai rogoff write can figur box score abbrevi make absolut sens local gannett rag that find door stare cleman met box for good second thi morn wonder hell wouldn make sens us colemn colmn blame associ press offici scorer balanc offici score card copi and give diffent peopl person job type templat laptop and transmit offic york rockefel center telephon box score not check and rebroadcast new deliveri servic correct issu person sit front laptop shea whereev fault that note put boxscor format you newspap not total true for past year two get box score stat inc repres press box stat report dollar game free park and can box download stat chicago quick error check and stat send not apprevei come hear don stat space correct sport editor that dai mention stat report for peopl you live cleveland pittsburgh you road get into press box real short for info call stat and report network fun paid for watch basebal game end public servic announc last week denver person denver thi rememb start mlb check tomorrow paper and person shea thing noel rappin noel chao brandei edu
rec.sport.baseball	jai darrin jackson nightmar articl svp fja nrl navi mil klinker itd nrl navi mil eric klinker write articl ior slacvm slac stanford edu thoma hyer ior slacvm slac stanford edu write articl smzy bde nrl navi mil klinker itd nrl navi mil eric klinker popular player san diego derek bell not fare clubhous toronto matter bad steal for jai perspect team chemistri laugh you and will laugh you equal publicli jai finish due sever deplet talent jai will finish deplet pitch staff not derek bell trade for darrin jakson couldn agre jai lot power line pitch biggest problem can acker back point post you miss that derek bell trade basic doghous cito and rest team incid that stick mind derek bell ran back feild jai had won divis and player back clubhous bell ran field arm air wave big towel head look big jerk you not contribut team season dai winfield and carter kei bell jeep and brought feild game start stadium announc that draw game for bell jeep bell freak don bell popular that that jackson hard for great outfield and not blue jai boot ball and plai gener aw andrew andrew wylli wylli physic utoronto mrc univers toronto
rec.sport.baseball	you articl apr alchemi chem utoronto mark write prefer post thi question net read long forgotten articl that handsign us major leagu ump origin us deaf ball player name dummi urban myth true got dummi hoi late centuri basebal player deaf order for find whether pitch ball strike umpir develop hand signal thi help reliev stress umpir vocal cord didn shout strike ball time game heard thi worthwhil basebal book john thorn author centuri basebal lore mark mbrownel alchemi chem utoronto jason miller doctor gui frank tanana win
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rec.sport.baseball	ugliest stanc don phil plantier ugliest stanc sit toilet brian tbo rosen
rec.sport.baseball	homerun mike schmidt not mileston in game winner john
rec.sport.baseball	phil east not weak articl kingoz camelot kingoz camelot bradlei edu orin roth you post thi earli and eat your word mid season mon philli haven prove atlanta similar phil year ago suck start philli finish year ago brave record can you imagin phil record bat hahahaha and atlanta hit will improv dramat philli oppon haven hit eat word not forgiv true fan philli lot john
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rec.sport.baseball	rai lankford question articl apr mnemosyn edu msilverm nyx edu mike silverman lankford for game slight injuri sinc beenback and injuri for that matter struggl plate and basepath wherei rai lankford last year patient sore shoulder crash into wall card will give time come full time centerfield will not steal thi year hit clean mark kornbluh
rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat head imposs for fathom barri not bat for giant will clark barri such awesom and consist hitter nation leagu imho william streaki hitter and not clutch hitter bat ahead bond simpli injustic giant and fan giant
rec.sport.baseball	and america team articl kingoz camelot kingoz camelot bradlei edu orin roth write offici brave start win offici and receiv thi label unoff doubt america team cub guess america love underdog year matter cub talent predict never close never win year lose mount america fallen love perenni loser cub fan chicago team worldwid cub fan worldwid team divis combin aura excit surround cub begin season includ champ that etern hope thi year talent good start pitch hit strong point time that inevit that cub will eventu win god sinc long come time anoth year final win and start win consist cub will remain america lovabl underdog cub america team orin bradlei jester disguis you absolut correct brave fan noth bunch bandwagon correct wrong year ago you couldnt give ticket brave plai bet paycheck that call brave fan live georgia present time can not name player season hand cub fan live anywher unit state name player year and grant fact that team win bring peopl ball park that not mean diserv titl america team reason consid america team ted turner and station broadcast across nation toronto america team brave red chri babbitt cgbabbitt leo bsuvc bsu edu want life woman love and woman care for kid hopefulli two will never meet
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri aardvark cygnu locu warren usui write alfredo griffin barri larkin ring you judg don your point sinc barri alfredo two dodger and blue jai not that won world seri ring for team babe ruth and lou gehrig combin that yanke dynasti not due lazarri warren agre your premis babe won two team that part red sox dynasti and that yanke dynsati wouldn happen thier famou bullpen catcher name escap moment cuz
rec.sport.baseball	belcher terrif tomlin not red win redreport tim belcher pitch dandi hit shut tonight cincinnati won second straight pittsburgh lefti randi tomlin hit earli and heavili unbalanc red line manag recent rare power bat belcher solid and fact stronger game progress earli had ball count even and allow base ball strike post game interview chang work for strikeout appar break ball tomlin hand troubl earli give second pitch doubl lead batter bip robert bobbi kelli singl and barri larkin score robert sharp singl big gui mitchel sabo milligan unabl that fact struck kelli manag score due doubl steal and tomlin wild pitch fact appear that tomlin recov nice shaki start retir batter fourth randi milligan had idea line shot poorli plai orlando merc and turn into tripl milligan score reggi sander sacrific fly give cinci lead in spell loss for tomlin robert led second doubl game and batter larkin smack doubl left field line chase tomlin barri score final run tom princ two base pass ball pirat manag threat dai bottom half merc and kevin young hit back back singl second bunt varieti carlo garcia struck princ fit foul fly and pinch hitter lonni smith end pittsburgh hope pittsburgh pitcher back tomlin reliev bla minor moeller and nagel gave two hit in work barri larkin left game seventh grounder mi plai bruis thumb hospit for precautionari rai hope cincinnati worst record major two win move cellar pittsburgh red fan you receiv thi report semi daili basi write send your mail address and put you list red mail list forward and put list cincinnati red robert kelli larkin branson mitchel hernandez sabo milligan sander oliv belcher total milligan tomlin lead fourth score robert tomlin lead score robert tomlin lead score larkin tomlin runner second rbi score sander rbi larkin sander kelli larkin gdp sabo pittsburgh pirat martin bell van slyke king merc young garcia princ tomlin minor smith moeller waynor nagel gdp merc cincinnati pittsburgh pitch cincinnati belcher line dai larkin pittsburgh tomlin minor moeller nagel tomlin princ ump ripplei hallion quick crawford att come red plai two pitt chicago for weekend seri weather doesn good don surpris game rain tomorrow jose rijo steve cook smilei wakefield thursdai rstimet
rec.sport.baseball	jewish broadcast jewish basebal player apr galileo rochest edu kahn troi rochest edu write not forget michael you miracl fame jim you can forget mel allen michael
rec.sport.baseball	homerun brook robinson last homerun memori stadium and two bottom in larri harlow due brook pinch hit pitch dave laroch into left field bleacher for win brian klaff
rec.sport.baseball	game length brave updat articl apr vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu write agre nick big deal long game you want watch basebal that basebal watch and basebal includ space plai plai don mind length game want speed game sensibl wai that fine object assert basebal peopl whitei herzog buck rodger heard thi that game long hitter take pitch and that strike zone expand john franjion depart chemic engin univers colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu
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rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat elroi edu edward hui write articl apr leland stanford edu punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi write head imposs for fathom barri not bat for giant will clark barri such awesom and consist hitter nation leagu imho william streaki hitter and not clutch hitter bat ahead bond simpli injustic giant and fan giant simpl reason bond bat william mean that matt will good pitch hit thi import sinc struggl break ball oppos pitcher don want walk william bond don understand thi matt william demonstr career that will not wait for good pitch hit won walk swing oppos pitcher groov fastbal william and hit that william will swing and miss not hit low and curv john franjion depart chemic engin univers colorado boulder franjion spot colorado edu
rec.sport.baseball	basemen articl apr tesla njit edu drm tesla njit edu don mattingli baseman histori basebal will even even conceiv that neat trick will leav lot room for error don hopefulli miss earlier post that thi regard leav that individu fill will gehrig shorten and not capit for eas reader mike
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rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat consist hitter nation leagu imho william streaki hitter and not clutch hitter bat ahead bond simpli injustic giant and fan giant bond bat william mean that matt will good pitch hit thi import sinc struggl break ball oppos pitcher don want walk william bond you correct that william absolut sandwich clark and bond and mean fastbal hit becom sixto lezcano disguis suggest perhap bat bond william and clark reason that feel bond potenti basest abil wast stuck two slow runner chanc get extra stolen base bond spot offset drop run product clark spot matt
rec.sport.baseball	you articl apr alchemi chem utoronto mark write prefer post thi question net read long forgotten articl that handsign us major leagu ump origin us deaf ball player name dummi urban myth true got true william dummi hoi basebal deaf player plai big for team includ white sox and red brian curran mead data central brian meaddata never had coach life find can beat listen lee trevino profession golfer
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rec.sport.baseball	jack morri happen peter gammon espn last night address thi exact issu and dismiss quickli gammon advanc scout report that morri fastbal and slider zip and that problem thi year due sudden inabl ball hidden releas guzman and stottlemyr similar stretch that clear succinctli work pitch coach gammon morri back top form month hand doubt morri era last year high for pitcher won game show seri not surpris not convinc that wash doubt whether not can regain form had for twin brian klaff
rec.sport.baseball	game length brave updat mzimmer netcom michael zimmer write longer game suggest basebal watch you includ watch grass grow basebal that don game plai artifici turf lengthier game batter step box pitcher take longer pitch and excess trip mound manag and pitch coach and true that gap plai can interest thi true don becom extra long your idea interest differ mine bat practic interest for exampl and make special effort game earli order delai tactic batter pitcher catcher and manag interest attempt gain advantag control flow and time game umpir can and interven tactic hand ryan robbin point rule that cover thi fascin thing basebal open ended regard time you never game zip and two hour morn likewis game action pack and game slow and lazi that fine folk want constant action watch game can channel surf and cater short attent span heather hhenderson vax clarku edu
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rec.sport.baseball	rai lankford question lankford for game slight injuri sinc beenback and injuri for that matter struggl plate and basepath wherei rai lankford last year beg differ had coupl hit game back caught steal miss sundai game plai tonight not worri team patrick
rec.sport.baseball	cub fever kingoz camelot bradlei edu orin roth write cub fever hit begin chanc thi year heck think moment incompet orin bradlei you thi chronic syndrom persist banish you cub crazi sanatarium north chicago rob
rec.sport.baseball	pecota brave send pecota stat for last year give sort feel for kind player mind handl bother pecota brave that pretti meaning that can even come name ken yousten you don succe blacksburg quit us damn fool yousten atlanti cso orst edu field
rec.sport.baseball	basemen articl apr tesla njit edu drm tesla njit edu write don mattingli baseman histori basebal will not kind happi grass you smoke you share lou gehrig greatest baseman jimmi foxx baseman greatest baseman yanke modern era put thi histori basebal quit humor silli and total line toni
rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat articl mek hlq menudo edu elroi edu write articl apr leland stanford edu punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi write head imposs for fathom barri not bat for giant will clark barri such awesom and consist hitter nation leagu imho william streaki hitter and not clutch hitter bat ahead bond simpli injustic giant and fan giant simpl reason bat william ahead bond will creat left clark william left bond situat middl bat order thi make tougher for oppos manag chang pitcher bond bat william mean that matt will good pitch hit thi import sinc struggl break ball oppos pitcher don want walk william bond your reason not good joe morgan think that bond clark william hitter believ that clark bond william fine opinion that bond hit ahead william inclin agre your reason not valid bond can hit lefti and righti hit lefti righti giant william get break ball not last season bottom line bond disciplin and product hitter william and prefer chanc bond drive hitter expect high obp william william fastbal bond and second base open threat bond steal
rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat articl apr leland stanford edu bohnert leland stanford edu matthew bohnert write consist hitter nation leagu imho william streaki hitter and not clutch hitter bat ahead bond simpli injustic giant and fan giant bond bat william mean that matt will good pitch hit thi import sinc struggl break ball oppos pitcher don want walk william bond you correct that william absolut sandwich clark and bond and mean fastbal hit becom sixto lezcano disguis suggest perhap bat bond william and clark reason that feel bond potenti basest abil wast stuck two slow runner chanc get extra stolen base bond spot offset drop run product clark spot matt william not hit cleanup secondli bond and clark that order lot product runner score posit matt streaki free swinger william sanjeev
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rec.sport.baseball	and america team apr bsu uc cgbabbitt leo bsuvc bsu edu write you absolut correct brave fan noth bunch bandwagon correct wrong year ago you couldnt give ticket brave plai bet paycheck that call brave fan live georgia present time can not name player season hand cub fan live anywher unit state name player year and you you wrong thi claim complet unverifi and untest wager brave fan net name player season you give ticket brave game dad and great seat scalper for face isn exactli sign hot ticket grant fact that team win bring peopl ball park that not mean diserv titl america team reason consid america team ted turner and station broadcast across nation thi precis consid america team even bad you brave game cabl you that for cub brave had camerawork announc you listen harri discuss game skip and pete discuss motobal and team that weren wors tb brave had lot fan georgia home kentucki even closer cincinnati brave fan red fan even you watch brave plai you had cincinnati watch red can anywher america and watch brave toronto america team brave guess that brave fan wide distribut toronto fan dale stephenson steph uiuc edu basebal fanat consid good wise not overburden inform golden kimbal
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rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat articl apr leland stanford edu punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi write head imposs for fathom barri not bat for giant will clark barri such awesom and consist hitter nation leagu imho william streaki hitter and not clutch hitter bat ahead bond simpli injustic giant and fan giant simpl reason bat william ahead bond will creat left clark william left bond situat middl bat order thi make tougher for oppos manag chang pitcher bond bat william mean that matt will good pitch hit thi import sinc struggl break ball oppos pitcher don want walk william bond edward hui
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rec.sport.baseball	and america team articl apr bsu uc cgbabbitt leo bsuvc bsu edu write you absolut correct brave fan noth bunch bandwagon correct wrong year ago you couldnt give ticket brave plai bet paycheck that call brave fan live georgia present time can not name player season john smoltz tom glavin german jiminez dale murphi bruce sutter pete smith rick mahler jim acker jim break morrison ron gant andr thoma gerald perri ozzi aeneid virgil lonni smith jerri royster note not brave fun hand cub fan live anywher unit state name player year and hand brave cub and can name ron santo erni bank and don kessing favorit cubbi season grant fact that team win bring peopl ball park that not mean diserv titl america team reason consid america team ted turner and station broadcast across nation watch brave game great deal player player cub game live york met and put sleep face watch gui rick sutcliff and lui salazar doesn put edg chair toronto america team brave notic lot anti toronto sentiment state partli that post seri arrog part upsid flag dork post partli roberto alomar excit swiss chees and partli live baltimor winter becom fond fan call rex barnei radio show that side hate rival red met spell and jason miller doctor gui frank banananna win
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rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write that player anoth solut that player team plai player lineup sheer specul imposs ascertain disciplin certainti state fact basebal not can that clemen morri last year and larkin griffin can ascertain thi can prove not requir and sinc you feel that such thread meaningless don you simpli stai valentin not cordial roger maynard complet and total dickhead send mail you insist detail
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rec.sport.baseball	bonilla articl new duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write articl apr princeton edu roger crux princeton edu roger lustig write articl steph pegasu uiuc edu steph pegasu uiuc edu dale stephenson write apr princeton edu roger crux princeton edu roger lustig write black player can surviv mediocr wors can mcrae and chamberlain explain hard and fast rule point that white player like stick longer mediocr iii and made list year and neg adjust bat run and total player rate tpr problem gener not for career imho player plai career consid haven rest arma bailor balboni bannist beauchamp beniquez bergman berri biittner blair bocht bonnel boslei bradford brown buckner cabel castillo cater cimoli cline cline cole collin davalillo dernier dilon gaston geiger geronimo gosger heep iorg black player lot white and hispan hmmm question you differenti hispan and black peopl fall into categori rafael ramiriez come mind and fit into thi group oop not light hit util player that miguel dilon qualifi rememb correctli black mean born black peopl for purpos thi discuss hispan player basebal and team sign lot hispan local audienc black and hispan stick black don rememb thi countri that had special racial law for group and group black nation histori includ huge long term global tension black minor hispan minor discrimin never object nation obsess worth your subdivid data into career start year interv that your predict true for career start and true for career start you compar total racial percentag for era question absolut expect that thi effect disappear exist and talk twg and that not small reason opinion that your point valid todai year ago curiou data list for cull name expect you btw roger
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write contrari statist impair opinion asshol spring contin dirti viru dilig work destroi glori sport cordial maynard ramsei laurentian moron and time heheheheh roger wrong you you not bore time thi classic cordial hehehehehh you jerk peopl hate you you fun parti come roger maynard school cordial can teach you cordial us such time honor cordial techniqu call peopl asshol compar virus for advanc student compar dirti virus dirti viru and can you clean and roger maynard school cordial can teach you heheheh roger thi made even tom
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rec.sport.baseball	usa mcweekli stat rvesterm vma edu write articl franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjion impress read thi group and bill jame that elia bunch monei grub jerk mission charg can for basebal statist info and bill jame not yeah you bill jame player rate book bill jame doesn sell statist sell book statist not busi provid stat elia stat how basebal workshop etc greg
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rec.sport.baseball	jack morri bwalker bnr barri walker write articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku shawn luddington write hei valentin don boston world seri ring finger damn morri and hall fame futur toronto easili made sign and don boston will win thi year won even top divis spite stat head jack morri plai larg role jai win world seri last year don care era plai leadership role and win game era high pitch outstand ball game and pitch not outstand ballgam jack essenti pitch lot ball last year thi isn irrelev and iif you replac morri replac level qualiti blue jai not win leadership don leadership effect for start pitcher you expect primari effect pitch staff you expect rest staff improv rest staff declin you can make reason argument for winfield provid leadership offens pick consider effect previou year not bui that that argument make intern sens greg barri walker bnr ottawa canada opinion
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri father huge tiger fan and loyal blue jai fan endur collaps heartbreak don stat book throw morri heydai clemen present young morri young clemen ballpark and such fenwai averag pitcher park detroit hugh hitter paradis morri great team pitcher sort doug drabek mold morri team pitch game minn morri snap ball and throw for peopl for clemen elia stat book that clemen lifetim record for team compar doesn pitch bad red sox last year can you philli clemen pitcher power and hsi great tenac morri guttiest pitcher clemen class seaver carlton etc paul spark
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rec.sport.baseball	jack morri maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write know cannot separ morri contribu tion rest team determin ing basebal and that scoreboard end game each game determin team that dai end season team that divis playoff determin point that decis make pro cess us determin score game and late team not individu player method inher basebal compar individu perform and that basebal team game and you such method inher real life assum you endors notion that cannot state level object that mother theresa accomplish good thi world joseph stalin life earth team effort you want select group statist and claim that clemen statist criteria fine you prove that statist measur individu contribut win that measur that mean context base ball you can prove that clemen contribut cham pionship morri your evalu clemen total sub jectiv and mere opinion that you can predict winner greater accuraci jeann dixon you glass find quit reason you choos ignor mound evid present bad you feel close your mind and ey knowledg you live poorer life result that choic heck wager that you predict winner greater accuraci jeann dixon and you full confid that despit your protest contrari you quit capabl knowledg can come statist method boost your knowledg level you don rude you call kettl black for you that mean that you miss entir point argument you commit fallaci ignoratio elenchi not that morri clemen ring tongu cheek claim that past that imposs isol individu perform that team for purpos compar that individu perform anoth individu per formanc word your world you cannot object state that jack morri import blue jai leiter last year your world that true fortun world rest occupi not hope you never serv juri roger rest juri kill you can object judg defend innoc guilti you billion peopl thi planet know whether defend commit crime wasn for peopl planet know defend act had planet live thi planet team effort and individu committ crime total isol societi part that societi that case culpabl absolut subject refus vote greg
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write qvag innsvo lynx unm edu kbo carina unm edu mitchel bose write articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard write you had lee your team last year you wear ring thi year manni lee your team last year your team toronto blue jai team albuquerqu leftturn manni lee team not wear ring manni lee team manni lee your team last year your team not albuquerqu leftturn toronto blue jai that albuquerqu leftturn last year you possibl team manni lee team last year manni lee wasn team last year complet unfound specul state that team manni lee last year team toronto blue jai sinc and lee weren team you cannot possibl object state team had team greg
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rec.sport.baseball	bob dylan basebal abstract never heard bob dylan basebal abstract curiou clue phil brown aka csc albani edu
rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat articl franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjion write whether good bond net stat maven will you reason that think will fulfil propheci don understand william lack abil you and agre swing bad pitch will think that bond hit will stop chase bad pitch didn mean that necessarili improv that specif defici meant that bond bat william possibl unfound confid that translat into hit product you william biggest problem physic mental that like make differ michael zimmer voic softhelp supplier softwar develop data
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rec.sport.baseball	mlb stand and score for fri apr mlb stand and score for fridai april includ yesterdai game nation west won lost pct last streak home road san francisco giant won houston astro won atlanta brave lost san diego padr won lo angel dodger lost colorado rocki lost cincinnati red lost nation east philadelphia philli lost montreal expo won loui cardin won pittsburgh pirat won chicago cub lost york met lost florida marlin won american west won lost pct last streak home road california angel won texa ranger lost minnesota twin won chicago white sox won seattl marin won oakland athlet lost kansa citi royal lost american east boston red sox lost detroit tiger won york yanke won toronto blue jai won milwauke brewer lost cleveland indian lost baltimor oriol lost yesterdai score idl team list alphabet order nation leagu american leagu san diego padr boston red sox philadelphia philli seattl marin lo angel dodger chicago white sox montreal expo baltimor oriol cincinnati red milwauke brewer pittsburgh pirat minnesota twin atlanta brave toronto blue jai florida marlin kansa citi royal colorado rocki cleveland indian loui cardin california angel san francisco giant york yanke york met oakland athlet chicago cub idl detroit tiger idl houston astro idl texa ranger idl joseph hernandez ram laker jtchern ocf berkelei edu king dodger raider jtcent soda berkelei edu angel clipper
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rec.sport.baseball	triva question bosio hitter don answer thi bosio walk two batter retir straight for back end perfect game game includ extra in game pitcher retir straight exclud offici perfect game instanc thi for famou erni shore game count perfect goon cooperstown shore into game boston pitcher babe ruth thrown for argu batter walk shore pick and retir straight that matt wall wall swarthmor edu hei gotta job april boston red sox seiz place
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rec.sport.baseball	bob vesterman plan gener fan interest articl interlan tonyf interlan toni fernandez write marlin thi and complet failur open dai in stretch sing ballgam had young women field lead crowd into aerob plai gloria estefan your feet fan boo and start sing kind felt for girl you kid stuck toronto skydom idea in stretch that blue jai song get yell blue jai blue jai plai ball wow geniu compos that outshin classic and women field lead crowd thi crowd entertain ground crew and word ground us loos outstand plai oppon fielder
rec.sport.baseball	yakult swallow japanes pro basebal team idea japanes leagu stat regularli matt wall swarthmor edu articl moqf lab ntt yajima nttcom ntt yajima hiroshi wrote tuesdai game belov yakult swallow jingu hanshin tiger belov yakult ito nakagomi yakult arai central leagu stand pct hiroshima carp chunichi dragon hanshin tiger hate giant belov swallow yokohama baystar hiroshi yajima mail yajima nttcom ntt ntt network inform system laboratori midori cho chome musashino shi tokyo japan tel fax matt wall wall swarthmor edu hei gotta job april boston red sox seiz place
rec.sport.baseball	rule line final kei offici rule for archiv will offici mlb rule electron format save ton work don scan ridicul format print matt matt wall wall swarthmor edu hei gotta job april boston red sox seiz place
rec.sport.baseball	indian pitch articl apr ariel lerc nasa gov ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov ron graham wrote articl apr bme ccf org tknuth bio ccf org write wow tribe gave run last night era and oppon hit front offic excit call matt young week join rotat excit doesn exactli mean happi thi case mean contract bring releas and find someplac injur pitcher recov and young pitcher readi move not primari definit sue lakewood pain allpap lerc statist basebal leagu lakewood pain allpap tomorrow hero leagu worri thi pitch thing scarri even for game season mesa settl pitch red sox rocket match chanc watch plai california wednesdai and pitch dam broke wickand and promptli run homer snow heard gui espn that tribe top prospect pitcher post gui and tribe espn tonight oakland john cogar expect worst cogar mac nswc navi mil join cleveland sport fan societi
rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat articl car appl chuq appl chuq von rospach write punjabi leland stanford edu sanjeev punjabi write evid that not work stand real easi focuss minutina and forget that giant happen place work you don screw chang thing you that reason toronto blue jai alfredo griffin work team win doesn mean that that team not win doesn mean that that wrong borrow shark situat you that georg kingston fire folk argu theoret detail prefer watch team win giant slip can talk arrang bat order stupid focu wrong for simpl fact that work late problem not fix work that not left fix giant win and frankli long that continu silli second guess strategi evid folk blue jai simpli perfect last year noth that improv that team not california angel nelson claudiu leland stanford edu
rec.sport.baseball	john franco jason lee ask john franco met heard complet recov not you heard wrong arm sore hasn managmenet treat dai dai situat doctor thought that readi and had throw colorado arm wasn strain throw dai not quit readi pitch full strength thi base interview that gave wfan radio thursdai jon lyon jon lyon att bell laboratori att jon lyon
rec.sport.baseball	hbp big cat origin poster want big cat look saturdai game montreal apr that rocki won haven paid attent gallarraga sinc left expo stanc stand erect and open left foot point base wonder thi recent chang stanc for andr had glare weak hitter fool curv ball low and thi stanc for not fool easili for patienc denni martinez not good stuff groov pitch andr you can fault for drill andr gener start hot cold for pitcher confid that curv ball low and roger healei
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rec.sport.baseball	base load walk red win articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl mssc netcom mss netcom mark singer write quot for futur refer shown consist past perform split even match hit pitch style will give advantag us properli predict futur predict that sabo like hit samuel believ two thing sabo like samuel hit that good long run leav sabo expect actual outcom fact you don perez had mind left sabo support swap you predict opposit fact don claim that can predict futur futur event can that trend due whether not identifi and will continu and not dismiss your work state opinion you that your work render opinion contrari invalid that retent that opinion kind insult your work you awar exist you claim incap understand suspect you simpli unwil you forcefulli state opposit you don work worth read you feel topic import thi insult insult peopl opinion kind silli mark didn call you total idiot call your work stupid simpli state that didn chang opinion subject not that consist skill that indic perform set circumst thi beef not proven indic futur perform circumst that come you indic futur perform your secret player hit tuesdai and and mark believ that indic that will hit tuesdai season you respond point you admit that variabl not you thi gui mondai night see sport shrink tuesdai morn vitamin shot mondai night thi that true gui doesn mean that will meaning correl for entir leagu dai week that doesn mean can make predict base that for that player that season end that chri sabo bat averag clutch situat will significantli lower bat averag clutch situat can prove that will happen guess wait and thi simpli predict for chri sabo for thi year thi predict for batter past year hit xxx amount wors clutch predict for player don batter anoth for you joe carter bat averag clutch situat significantli below bat averag clutch situat each year presum you thi random not into case analysi you can find hit poorli and hit poorli you can find hit poorli and hit that exactli mark find hitter that correl and whether can make predict for hitter base past perform major leagu ballplay make that joe carter bat averag clutch not high clutch situat gambler fallaci reason expect consist huh gambler fallaci whether you can reason for correl not you can deni that exist you can make argument that you don like continu exist you can reason for exist run prove noth can you give reason expect clutch correl year detail studi post recent neg clutch correl argument line star player split will advers condit late in close game oppos manag will bring pitcher face manag will not pull for don you can deni for total idiot you prove unwil even evid that suggest that you wrong term fit nice term fit you open mind you shoe fit will you wear open mind rudi
rec.sport.baseball	twin updat paul csd csd uwm edu paul krueger write articl apr sctc macomb sctc chuck macomb write wednesdai game mark oppos left hand start pitcher for twin thi year rickei bone nice post chuck you made mistak bone hand pitcher hrbek grand slam graehm lloyd lefti salti mistak chuck
rec.sport.baseball	winfield spot time great team articl blue ci pitt edu dtate pitt edu david tate write articl wewd kto murdoch acc virginia edu drw delmarva evsc virginia edu david robert walker write articl blue ci pitt edu dtate pitt edu david tate write ield time can quick scan last night for player peak compar winfield quick dirti subject judgement you make good case for ruth aaron ott robinson clement kalin mari klein jackson waner and thi not knock winfield comment consist player had awesom stretch and good stretch winfield uniformli excel hall fame absolut top peak not top total career almost point winfield peak year
rec.sport.baseball	winfield sb hr articl mjone fenwai mjone fenwai aix kingston ibm mike jone write dan fore csd sgi dan steinman write last night giant met radio broadcast hank and ted discuss fact that player had hit homerun and stolen base career hojo bat list not easi sound come couldn mai mantl aaron henderson morgan bond dad frank robinson molitor yount guess interest list watch your line length not autowrap second franklin rescu list player aaron mai frobinson rjackson winfield dawson baylor bobond wynn strawberri morgan pinson yount kgibson sandberg player mark activ number that rickei henderson list georg brett list surpris reggi bayor and wynn for steal morgan lot peopl for homer kind surpris realiz that sandberg that steal wasn surpris that number mike jone aix high end develop mjone donald aix kingston ibm dream real last can life havelock elli
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri franjion spot colorado edu john franjion write valentin not cordial roger maynard complet and total dickhead send mail you insist detail fact complet and total dickhead newsgroup thi and rec sport hockei sinc hockei season almost back dickhead fact suggest that roger discuss footbal pro thi kind hormon reason standard canadian and hockei suggest that work import thread that involv us bodi part produc post brain organ choic bonvicini bonvicin cernvm cern
rec.sport.baseball	babe pitch babe ruth lifetim pitch stat select era sho rat year bo era led leagu bo era steve thornton stevet eskimo
rec.sport.baseball	rel player kime apr mongoos torolab ibm mjone fenwai organ eskimo north eskimo yeah morri win that lost for detroit funni win lot game pitch good team lose lot pitch bad and ring criteria for success team tend repeat and eventu you team win bleepin year sort yank morri decent pitcher downsid good not great career toronto will finish thi year morri and ring pitch staff destroi season steve thornton stevet eskimo
rec.sport.baseball	time peak player articl apr alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael luri liber write interest gehrig below bond and schmidt ricki henderson steal base hit stat not even close dimmagio uhhhh winfield henderson stat closer dimaggio you jim mann stratu comput jmann vineland pub stratu
rec.sport.baseball	box score abbrev woe articl apr scott skidmor edu jrogoff scott skidmor edu jai rogoff write can figur box score abbrevi make absolut sens local gannett rag that find door stare cleman met box for good second thi morn wonder hell wouldn make sens us colemn colmn blame associ press offici scorer balanc offici score card copi and give diffent peopl person job type templat laptop and transmit offic york rockefel center telephon box score not check and rebroadcast new deliveri servic correct issu person sit front laptop shea whereev fault that note put boxscor format you newspap last week denver person denver thi rememb start mlb check tomorrow paper and person shea thing scott barman met mail list feed into your shell scott asd mail met request asd subscrib met
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr blurt oswego edu ind blurt oswego edu write that rusti staub jewish ball player rust staub not jewish fact father minist scott barman met mail list feed into your shell scott asd mail met request asd subscrib met
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig write articl psm jwt oau org bb comarow jwt oau org write dave kingman jewish sez sez dave kingman us for rosh hashanna and yom kippur dai coincid season scott barman met mail list feed into your shell scott asd mail met request asd subscrib met
rec.sport.baseball	home for bosox articl apr scott skidmor edu jrogoff scott skidmor edu jai rogoff write multipurpos subject not forget shea design accommod met jet stadium box seat roller orient angl for basebal parallel for footbal minor point shea stadium design multi purpos stadium not jet mind tennant york footbal giant had move yanke stadium polo ground and problem stadium manag citi not yanke stadium idea giant move into shea deal work giant and yanke afl franchis york titan approach citi stadium titan plai down stadium cosmo plai soccer shea stadium ti into world fair citi thought idea promot franchis and world fair met deal work jet jersei and good footbal stadium met saddl multipurpos stadium circular seat almost action met announc kiner murphi hype beauti shea stadium tipoff unbeauti impress that murph mean regular goer shea not bad place sinc clean and renov place rememb thi year scott barman met mail list feed into your shell scott asd mail met request asd subscrib met
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rec.sport.baseball	tiger win pitch duel true cold damp night last night tiger stadium dave well david haa bob macdonald and mike henneman combin for victori texa ranger highlight texa detroit well get win era and henneman get save chanc ken roger start for ranger and get loss reliev burn ranger run solo home run dean palmer tiger open score rbi singl fryman lead for good bottom seventh whitak greet reliev burn rbi doubl score tettleton whitak turn cross plate rbi singl phillip red hot for tiger run thi afternoon anoth battl southpaw bill krueger for tiger craig leffert for ranger randi toronto blue jai fan for well and macdonald gui big tiger pitch staff
rec.sport.baseball	geronimo pena articl avinnb cronkit central sun bobn hawkwind central sun bob netherton write articl apr eagl wesleyan edu dhart eagl wesleyan edu write hei notic that lui alicea start for cardin geronimo pena pena hurt bench for poor perform quick start pena stuck rut torr gave alicea start pena funk work past and work pena for last night colorado dave spencer mead data central miamisburg ohio ggggg oooo dave meaddata ggggg oooo ttt rrr iii bbb eee rrr bbb eee iii bbb eee
rec.sport.baseball	speed game margin realist articl mit edu ejb mit edu baranoski write articl apr vfl paramax davidm gvl vfl paramax david madden write anoth pair suggest remov balk rule runner respons stai safe matter pitcher quit honestli thi ridicul scenario runner pitcher start throw home runner take for home and batter squar bunt for suicid squeez pitcher thi not throw home stop mid action and put runner run balk rule that prevent thi happen not thi happen onc oba ontario basebal associ game milton ontario batter and amaz umpir miss year that plai ball thi worst piec umpir pablo iglesia ruth ec jhu edu
rec.sport.baseball	bosox win seattl last night boston red sox win game game beat seattl roger clemson pitch not domin walk man inn valetin and greenwel hit homerun and red sox prevail that game win for red sox seattl darwin will face seattl ac randi johnson tonight
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku shawn luddington write acker ring that even acker ring wife marri blue jai had such strong offens don that morri thi magic abil offens player score run don you gui bicker morri stat show mediocr pitcher thi year anoth case happen win game game last year pitch good game thi crap clutch pitcher nonsens constantli give ahead run in clutch in and jai scrape win for anoth major factor win that cito dont realiz bullpen gaston leav morri for give chanc win game thi major reason won game last year barri walker bnr ottawa canada opinion
rec.sport.baseball	rusti religion recal kieth hernandez auto biographi rusti devout roman cathol kieth and rusti carpool shea everydai sundai rusti mass
rec.sport.baseball	homerun last year willi mcgee matthew philli fierc line drive that rise hit second deck facad vet willi mcgee had homerun last year eric
rec.sport.baseball	basebal spanish articl edu icop csa edu antonio pera write recent heard red sox wrol spanish speak radio station thought unreal red sox spanish want find widespread thi nativ scmet spanish not yankm wuold that texa and fla spanish spanish speak network thi local brave dai game broadcast spanish station call favorita station daytim liscenc minardi michael georgia institut technolog atlanta georgia decvax hplab ncar purdu rutger gatech prism internet prism gatech edu
rec.sport.baseball	bosox win seattl articl jxu black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck write last night boston red sox win game game beat seattl roger clemson pitch not domin walk man inn fair walk batter allow hit for extra base run pretti good out told that game win for red sox seattl darwin will face seattl ac randi johnson tonight such thing win game thi earli season and can hope that darwin pitch cheer valentin
rec.sport.baseball	todd worrel updat articl time todd worrel will not readi come list fridai sound had anoth set back come back present stop throw ball supposedli had veloc doesn sound time tabl thi point for will back dodger
rec.sport.baseball	hbp big cat stevet eskimo steven thornton write offici mlb formula for obp hit walk hit pitch divid bat walk hit pitch sacrific fli sac bunt and error effect sourc total basebal and error record for exampl ground ball batter offici hitless bat type error greenwel let singl doesn effect obp error count cuz
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rec.sport.baseball	jeff king suck second guess pirat ken ziolkowski transarc write hope for season buc wish cough doug hope for barri bond jeff king suck check thi latest mcweekli slg obp rbi jeff king jose lind jeff had hit last two game and walk ken jeff king power mean slg won below and walk that increas real jeff king will averag baseman jose lind hand doesn walk and isn hitter bet that won get extra base onc start pull lind shift predict buffalo releas outright sinc lavallier weird noth surpris jeff king top leagu walk jking
rec.sport.baseball	geronimo pena articl ejr meaddata meaddata dave meaddata dave spencer write articl avinnb cronkit central sun bobn hawkwind central sun bob netherton write articl apr eagl wesleyan edu dhart eagl wesleyan edu write hei notic that lui alicea start for cardin geronimo pena pena hurt bench for poor perform quick start pena stuck rut torr gave alicea start pena funk work past and work pena for last night colorado open thi for sabermetr flame war question notion that sit rest player real effect long term perform man tire and real rest take break construct act perhap man mental strain sit extent that that help relax suggest that long run player slump and bench irrelev paul collacchi
rec.sport.baseball	hbp big cat articl rec sport basebal healei qucdn queensu roger healei wrote origin poster want big cat look saturdai game montreal apr that rocki won haven paid attent gallarraga sinc left expo stanc stand erect and open left foot point base wonder thi recent chang stanc for andr had glare weak hitter fool curv ball low and thi stanc for not fool easili stanc don baylor bat coach loui last year and manag continu work andr weak left ey and open stanc ball simpli improv mechan dunno chang enabl hit ball year ago select not chang gregg basebal ncar ucar edu colorado rocki
rec.sport.baseball	jack morri articl apr ramsei laurentian maynard ramsei laurentian roger maynard that player anoth solut that player team plai player lineup sheer specul imposs ascertain thi logic conclus imposs ascertain whether not hitter roberto alomar pitcher juan guzman center fielder devon white blue jai can you prove that wouldn won world seri and you mister maynard for your faith athelet prowess can assur you that your faith misplac bob vesterman
rec.sport.baseball	usa mcweekli stat articl apr mnemosyn edu gspira nyx edu greg spira rvesterm vma edu write articl franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjion impress read thi group and bill jame that elia bunch monei grub jerk mission charg can for basebal statist info and bill jame not yeah you bill jame player rate book bill jame doesn sell statist sell book statist not busi provid stat elia stat how basebal workshop etc greg funni that stat major leagu and minor leagu handbook noth collect statist author bill jame and stat inc and how for minor leagu handbook and not bill jame player rate book qualifi book statist elia analyst statist book analyst contain stat contain dialogu final point not word statist monei grub don look bill jame player rate book cannot monei grub bob vesterman
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rec.sport.baseball	yanke thought articl apr clam sam steamer clam sam mandelbaum agreement that yanke final move direct finish thi year and even pennent race august back move jim abbott trade bleagh thi terrif trade snow will mattingli futur that defens opinion abbott great pitcher game todai wade bogg not thi that good that pre bogg kick hay meulen whoever ass and that bogg isn that shabbi bad that yanke expect pre bogg and will bogg plai bogg hay bam bam spike owen you full agreement not that velard and silvestri lock enjoi fact that spike not nicknam not that thi help yanke danni tartabul strongli disagre hundr game tartabul and sixti game dion jame game jame bob vesterman
rec.sport.baseball	basemen articl apr tesla njit edu drm tesla njit edu don mattingli baseman histori basebal will bob vesterman
rec.sport.baseball	pitcher save mikef bvc edu write articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku geoffrei dia write subject line rule that qualifi pitcher make save imho thi untrustworthi silli stat todai rule basebal understand qualifi save pitcher cannot pitch in and potenti ty run deck circl lead pitcher enter cannot exced run thi phenomenon work readi fire aim astound number time peopl post strong opinion thing not don understand publicli admit not understand fact plausibl argument that save ration stat win for record two wai that reliev can save finish game and enter game ty run base bat deck pitch in effect pitcher not win and save game that offici scorer assert author determin winner saver etc for instanc pitcher can come ninth lead blow lead fall team come back half in and earn win thi pitcher earn win thi argument that win dumb stat not save gui pitch strong in middl relief and teammat ralli tie score assum start fourth and left eighth teammat hold opposit scoreless ninth and score run bottom ninth win pitcher earn win and middl reliev get stat satisfact thi doesn support your claim save begin your post mike jone aix high end develop mjone donald aix kingston ibm conceptu integr import consider system design frederick brook mythic man month
rec.sport.baseball	pitcher save articl apr newshub ariel yorku ariel yorku geoffrei dia write subject line rule that qualifi pitcher make save save opportun in and batter deck can tie win ball game for exampl bottom in and clemen pithch red sox lead and clemen givin hit man batter and batter deck tie game homer jeff russel red sox reliev and finish game allow tie lose run score save and clemen win that beleiv work hope cowboi
rec.sport.baseball	denni martinez lot talk jack morri horribl start denni martinez last check era ageless final show ag start season slowli plan start tonight hope come feedback outlook rest denni martinez season advanc mike
rec.sport.baseball	ugliest stanc ugliest swing articl thz world std tac world std tackei chan write ugliest swing not ugliset stanc jolio franco ranger that bat come time hit ball bad hei job tac ugliest stanc time oscar gambl man practic kneel front home plate order small strike zone lucki that strike zone size isn determin big your afro outta vladimir alan
rec.sport.baseball	winfield articl apr alleg edu luriem alleg edu michael luri liber write you mail address luri afraid can short version work case winfield career mere didn beat thi sixth year major and top onc sinc peak earli and includ impress season had scatter great perform and not smooth career curv cheer valentin
rec.sport.baseball	bosox smoke seattl articl apr galileo rochest edu uhura rochest edu wizard write jxu black clarku edu jxu black clarku edu dark wing duck write had respond bosox boast bosox win red sox fan can never your mind huh excit sox win you worri that you that not true fan sox fan and iv sox fan that sox fan true fan excit greenwel horribl johnson care sox darwin start marin sox record basebal lost darn johnson qualiti pitcher and not qualiti marin pitcher log expect congratulatori note for chri bosio hitter nari peep thi opportun note that red feet and slink town score run last two game even hit last night gem not that fan can compar suffer follow england long run tragedi win season histori burden bear joi can marin two hit pitcher staff and not coincident pitcher beat red sox back back game jsh steve hendrick domain steveh thor isc thing data cut uunet isc thor steveh bull hofferbert bell
rec.sport.baseball	jewish basebal player articl apr asd scott asd scott barman write articl apr princeton edu roger astro princeton edu roger lustig write articl psm jwt oau org bb comarow jwt oau org write dave kingman jewish sez sez dave kingman us for rosh hashanna and yom kippur dai coincid season problem dave kingman take rosh hashana yom kippur easter dai elvi di entir spring train month ramadan purim juli game that dai birthdai world seri never had plai memori dai game that dai gui run fresh holidai that coincid basebal season and catalogu dai career that dave kingman bat awol complet religi calendar detail holidai extant religion western hemispher appreci can that dave kingman observ holidai conceiv not scott barman met mail list feed into your shell scott asd mail met request asd subscrib met jason miller doctor gui frank tanana win
rec.sport.baseball	juan gonzalez titl not real come back ten year and career juan gonzalez mark mcguir and bogu juander titl that juan will prepar hof accept speech voter will mark mcwho ken melcher type real slow mail kmelcher arco you can read fast
rec.sport.baseball	ugliest stanc ugliest swing alan anoth sepinwal write ugliest stanc time oscar gambl man practic kneel front home plate order small strike zone lucki that strike zone size isn determin big your afro agre object grow earli and plai year mario mendoza esqu leagu told that sinc hit suck walk face for team and yanke fan father bat oscar gambl and career obp not oscar fun gui watch had pretti cool basebal card and help becom leagu player histori outta vladimir alan jason miller doctor gui frank tanana win
rec.sport.baseball	mlb stand and score for wed apr mlb stand and score for wednesdai april includ yesterdai game nation west won lost pct last streak home road san francisco giant won houston astro lost atlanta brave won lo angel dodger lost san diego padr lost colorado rocki lost cincinnati red won nation east philadelphia philli won loui cardin won chicago cub won montreal expo won pittsburgh pirat lost york met lost florida marlin lost american west won lost pct last streak home road texa ranger lost california angel won minnesota twin won chicago white sox won oakland athlet won seattl marin lost kansa citi royal won american east boston red sox won detroit tiger won toronto blue jai lost york yanke lost milwauke brewer lost cleveland indian lost baltimor oriol lost yesterdai score idl team list alphabet order nation leagu american leagu houston astro chicago white sox chicago cub baltimor oriol lo angel dodger texa ranger montreal expo detroit tiger cincinnati red milwauke brewer pittsburgh pirat minnesota twin atlanta brave toronto blue jai florida marlin kansa citi royal san diego padr cleveland indian philadelphia philli california angel san francisco giant york yanke york met oakland athlet colorado rocki boston red sox loui cardin seattl marin joseph hernandez ram laker jtchern ocf berkelei edu king dodger raider jtcent soda berkelei edu angel clipper
rec.sport.baseball	john franco articl apr zeu calpoli edu jplee cymbal calpoli edu jason lee write john franco met don worri thi perfectli normal state affair had you worri heard complet recov not recov total injuri that not pitch can rest arm that can injur pitch dai rest and fun dine diamond club shea stadium struggl dai inform franco you drop line quit happi drop john franco bring back randi myer make that bring back neil allen jason lee jplee obo calpoli edu jlee cash busfac calpoli edu giant beauti equat mathemat magic for sad word tongu and pen saddest number john greenleaf whittier jason miller doctor gui tanana
rec.sport.baseball	base load walk red win articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl mssc netcom mss netcom mark singer write articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write for predict futur meaningless mean don find not predict futur you don want into didso didnot debat you thi somewhat heart disagr not impli that predict futur you infer that comment meant thi and you base your rebutt comment fact that statist studi demonstr that reason basi for predict futur perform regard clutch hit sabo samuel sabo hitter samuel you pinch hit samuel you predict that samuel will clutch hitter and sabo will choke hitter call that predict futur that your opinion that sabo hitter samuel data for year period end last season last season samuel bat sabo hit not park adjust thi season hit below albeit sabo bat will agre that career sabo hitter samuel will remind you that samuel hitter situat sabo not predict that sabo choke that samuel hit express opinion that had red manag even red fan that prefer samuel hit that situat sabo you red manag that time assum you had basi for let sabo hit pinch hit samuel that basi util prior perform you wouldn us thi aspect prior perform thi not correct us aspect prior perform shown consist past perform split even match hit pitch style will give advantag us properli properli even equal advantag gain past clutch perform and thi case point sabo exactli that point sabo you awar exist you claim incap understand suspect you simpli unwil you forcefulli state opposit you don work worth read you feel topic import thi insult not awar public can you email inform avail and guess apolog extens studi suppli side econom didn mean insult you never you path for contrari opinion posit regret that don abil prove that you wrong you that season end that chri sabo bat averag clutch situat will significantli lower bat averag clutch situat can prove that will happen guess wait and thi simpli predict for chri sabo for thi year thi predict for batter past year hit xxx amount wors clutch you mean you wait and second stronger statement fact suggest rule can test thi rule past data work for recent year you will agre that rule didn work last year year that thi year second your statement not mine not into case analysi you can find hit poorli and hit poorli you can find hit poorli and hit haven not finish that haven found hit significantli below bat averag clutch situat for year and revers that relationship gambler fallaci reason expect consist run prove noth can you give reason expect clutch correl year detail studi shouldn expect correl nope you interest reason expect chri sabo abil hit clutch correl year you interest reason expect joe carter abil hit clutch correl year you not interest that you that conclus valid extrapol entir basebal popul and can stupid refer statement stupid and don you can deni for total idiot you prove unwil even evid that suggest that you wrong term fit nice problem that you accept your work that predict futur clutch perform base prior clutch histori meaningless coin toss accept your work happen opinion that situat for player histori superior inferior abil hit clutch suggest reason such histori valid project futur player perform for that player and chri sabo such player term fit you open mind sinc defer your statist wisdom open mind pose question you beastmast mark singer mss netcom
rec.sport.baseball	base load walk red win articl apr cornel edu tedward cornel edu edward ted fischer write articl mssc netcom mss netcom mark singer write supposit that find player consist year year end bell make reason conclus player oppos basebal player thi root confus hypothet open mind note that not that question hand suppos simplifi lotto game detail explan delet you struck heart disagr rebut opinion you made analog game chanc your hypothesi assum that lotto player impact select number and abil win that true lotto absolut noth sport basebal you start wrong path you finish wrong path repeat not that statist analysi prior clutch hit perform accur predictor futur clutch hit perform that analysi prior clutch hit perform for player defici game that will provid basi for project futur perform and chri sabo such player beastmast mark singer mss netcom
rec.sport.baseball	basebal trivia articl texdud bradlei edu texdud bradlei edu philip allen write hold record for career strikeout plai for team hold record for career strikeout for ranger hint nolan ryan isn two pitcher career save for two team player hit career home run and steal career base for team fair peek your basebal stat phil allen texdud bradlei edu post guess and trivia question post for career team not ryan perhap steve carlton ranger hough for long time save depart lee smith hundr cubbi rsox card gossag nyi and finger mil oak don homer steal dept articl met trivia tim leari lose team beat seaver and koosman fit and randi johnson hitter scott bradlei half marin catch platoon plate that night david plurad
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rec.sport.baseball	time player career don mattingli
rec.sport.baseball	babe pride yanke babe and pride yanke offer rendit sotri ruth and gherig hit home run for boi hospit can historian explain histori version stori wouldn put past movi season truth extra spice comment inaccuraci two movi eric behren behren swarthmor edu walk hell gasolin suit plai basebal pete rose
rec.sport.baseball	basebal trivia articl binnt gap caltech edu daplurad ugc caltech edu david plurad write articl texdud bradlei edu texdud bradlei edu philip allen write hold record for career strikeout plai for team hold record for career strikeout for ranger hint nolan ryan isn two pitcher career save for two team player hit career home run and steal career base for team fair peek your basebal stat phil allen texdud bradlei edu post guess and trivia question post for career team not ryan perhap steve carlton gotta walter johnson washington carlton spent long loui collect ranger hough for long time guess hough due length tenur suspect bobbi witt wasn even jenkin snuck close save depart lee smith hundr cubbi rsox card gossag nyi and finger mil oak finger had achiev mil that guess think that reardon chanc min easili reach mon don homer steal dept gotta willi mai fairli had steal career articl met trivia tim leari lose team beat seaver and koosman fit hmmm leari good point forgotten noth plenti met pitcher categori lost team koosman leari torrez ryan seaver guess guess leari ryan and seaver koosman thoma talavag purdu univers electr engin grad student grad school greatest time life pai you you spent last year good
rec.sport.baseball	pitcher save articl mjone fenwai mjone donald aix kingston ibm write mikef bvc edu write for record two wai that reliev can save finish game and enter game ty run base bat deck pitch in effect pitcher not win and save game close number enter game run lead and pitch in pitcher finish game team won not win and satisfi requir get save rusti russel peltz peltz russel yale edu box haven
rec.sport.baseball	bob vesterman plan gener fan interest articl rvesterm vma edu rvesterm vma edu write owner whine basebal not popular larg portion popul and suggest remedi such shorten game convinc that smoke embak emdominatebysheerintimid accur descript essenti laid back game forget lame idea and excit two point plan gener interest basebal mass point sex point two violenc face sex and violenc thing that sell america can implement game sex cheerlead cheerlead and cheerlead danc top dugout bring hot dog ump seventh in stretch run and stand south bend white sox thi violenc basebal player such utter wuss boi pitcher bean batter and bench empti call bench clear brawl stand and each stand stand stand hum bullpen come run reach fight stand come bench not throw punch suspend and fine bullpen fight outfield not wast time and energi run infield bob describ game mad magazin call basebrawl idea issu cover violenc issu paul footbal sex violenc basketbal sex violenc hockei violenc basebal pastim nayshun yawn bob vesterman
rec.sport.baseball	speed game margin realist articl atla nafb trw mspede atla nafb trw write articl huvinniju jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo jhunix hcf jhu edu pablo iglesia write batter and amaz umpir miss year that plai ball thi worst piec umpir thi sound fun topic slo pitch softbal game had base dugout player hit shot base line base load question fair foul ball hit ground chalk fli umpir call foul give standard didn you chalk line respons hit foul half line start laugh mark pede not bad had similar situat slowpitch softbal base load weakest hitter plate hit line drive baseman head that hook and hook and final land ten feet foul ground almost hit fenc that side field umpir call fair ball coach yell evrybodi move base ump posit fair pass base team didn immedi protest never weren argu sinc bodi manag advanc base safe time bat ball ricochet runner second base leg field step second forc runner and throw time for umpir call tripl plai protest remov won game clai
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rec.sport.baseball	brave updat articl steph pegasu uiuc edu steph pegasu uiuc edu dale stephenson write sysg kad odin corp sgi luigi sgi randi palermo write articl new duke edu fierkelab bchm biochem duke edu eric roush write you game gant reason argu horribl call hirschbeck correctli noth gant proceed walk halfwai base lean bat and glare hirschbeck don necessasarili subscrib theori show peopl thi obviou attempt gant hirschbeck left hirschbeck choic control situat bottom line gant start danger power struggl hirschbeck team need and lost event call strike hirschbeck hirschbeck point umpir call that strike thought that gant ask for appeal base umpir thought hirschbeck had check swing wrong umpir shock gant ask for appeal appeal gant step batter box hirschbeck immedi order gant back bad move gant ignor hirschbeck and walk bad move hirschbeck yell gant gant silent hirschbeck call for pitch hirschbeck call for pitch pitch thrown cox field obviou that time call pitch watch pitch call strike cox argu couldn field cox eject player plai final resum gant shouldn hirschbeck not return made strike call fairli like suspect argument gant toss altogeth hirschbeck had gant step incid avoid your list pretti agre aforement addendum perhap appear differ ballpark person amaz that gant didn eject that cox call protect your player and peopl thrown game can that you make basebal histori even worst basebal brawl major instig eject not come field and that brawl consider threaten game brave fri night that last two cent subject bar outrag post will ey open for incid involv hirschbeck will team hope not eric
rec.sport.baseball	bosio hitter articl hbsinnavr shellei washington edu dudgeon opu cheme washington edu write csc albani edu brown philip write watch final in bosio hitter peopl work vizquel made that barehand grab chopper middl remark that had field glove wouldn had time throw rile throw beat rile two step watch final vizquel had choic make plai bare hand thi morn paper radio vizquel quot that field ball glove and easili thrown rile that barehand make final plai memor litl cocki made work entitl guess that kind stupid move imo sing tune had boot and gui had hit bloop singl stranger thing happen hei us big dave stieb fan and such thing unearn hit cheer charl
rec.sport.baseball	speed game margin realist articl mit edu ejb mit edu baranoski write articl apr vfl paramax davidm gvl vfl paramax david madden write pitcher throw occupi base time successfulli pick runner runner advanc base walk thi last suggest will increas number stolen base consider suppos pitcher pick attempt runner can stretch lead base that will extra pressur pitcher thi time encourag runner stretch lead result ina greater number pickoff workabl rule experi anoth leagu big clai
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rec.sport.baseball	yank georg speak apr eagl wesleyan edu kwolfer eagl wesleyan edu write matt noke run singl ron darl that hit watch game yesterdai flash boss talk mark connor bullpen coach mark connor fault that bullpen horribl georg stick basebal nose basebal busi shut georg spend monei player and leav buck and coach and player alon that quot flash screen yesterdai and enrag not that georg speak agai and complain media proper peopl that idiot report provid georg outlet and opportun creat troubl thi suprem exampl media can control situat local beat report and stop each quot boss simpli and problem avoid that report potenti open floodgat asshol
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rec.sport.baseball	rule book trivia articl main main edu ryan robbin main main edu write rule state interfer batter runner run last half distanc home base base run foot line insid left foul line and umpir judgment interfer field take throw base kei word rule and runner isn for run baselin for interf field ball throw field throw catcher opt throw ball batter runner head inter ferenc don bui you that runner not for run baselin interfer plai argument constitut interfer you cannot infer you quot that batter runner hit ball guilti interfer you haven post definit interfer imo thi call for approv rule that small print rulebook approv rule judgement umpir runner run left allow path caus fielder make bad throw block vision fielder receiv throw imped defens team make plai batter runner judeg guilti interfer approv rule runner cannot judg guilti interfer make contact fielder hit thrown ball absenc such approv rule claim that thi poor rule trivia question sinc cannot authorit answer len reed holo softwar inc voic ext domain lbr holo atl usa lbr holo
rec.sport.baseball	jose canseco swing waugaman nac enet dec glenn waugaman write gari list ten slowest bat basebal andr dawson peter gammon andr tremend bat speed dawson bat speed great that dawson troubl hit ball side left field line count swing bat speed never year man red sox player preced that not specif consist pull ball not mean that quick bat dawson releas slow and swing earli and rotat hip that hit ball left side time swing slowli for disagre peter gammon whoa that never happen thing you dave campbel biggest imbecil even come mic and that rai knight drain crankcas oil gari huckabai that bleedin pipe balder kenni realiz don great control dave net mon gari that styrofoam cup plate foot your throw ball
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rec.sport.baseball	john franco date fri apr gmt tackei chan tac world std wall swarthmor edu matthew wall write john franco met start gingerli small amount spring train work met start slow mike maddax and young can job close torborg that franco closer will give rest and not rush sinc not want franco hurt return thi gui pitch inn that lat week tac that franco will tomorrow mention career minor leaguer warm bodi forget answer question rotat coleman broadcast that hurst month month and half finish hab denni denni parslow that korean good troi luck symbol remo william psilink
rec.sport.baseball	homerun articl tqinnmnf senat bedfellow mit edu cmk athena mit edu charl kozierok write articl apr osf org dswartz osf org dan swartzendrub write home run not roger clemen val coupl year ago threw ball incaviglia liter inki neck and absolut hammer crap swing clemen nonchalantli motion for ball didn even turn even upset ball hit light left field standard feet green monster feet ground total amaz shot that game home plate scout man radar gun season wind and roger didn fastbal top contrast frank tanana low lollipop process strike phil plantier time night inki shot hadn crash into light not lightstand you feet high roi hobb and bounc back field that had footer unobstruct edg jackson drive oil can boyd top centerfield bleacher back wall for person sit that glenn waugaman digit equip corpor littleton waugaman nac enet dec
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rec.sport.baseball	time player articl apr wood ulowel edu poiriera wood ulowel edu write thi chat player time pointless you can compar player era you can you care conclus you draw you will notic pitcher stat wise and and hitter huh and worst decad for great pitch grove vanc dean and not lot for hitter stat wise ruth gehrig foxx greenberg hornsbi cobb etc plai stat wise graveyard for hitter great number great pitcher and equal great number great hitter and fielder you you great field glove smaller earli year basebal hitter sheffield and rbi even fluke year can compar mantl pitch sheffield face faster and not mention sheffield shoe time pitch you can run comparison lot thing into account for frank thoma hitter sinc ted william frank defens suck can compar can that you can compar player era you want player choos player era that can compar player standard era and can mind era era differ throw hand despair reason basi for comparison you haven shown reason mantl sheffield comparison that you roger
rec.sport.baseball	speed game articl rudyc wcsg netcom rudi netcom rudi wade write feel that talk speed basebal game signal nois ratio high rec sport basebal matter you talk reason your argument will peopl quot entir articl signatur make line comment repli woof whether stupid dens excit and overeag bless insight matter will ballgam matter benefit game for umpir enforc rule and for player manag coach stop wast time ain gonna happen rudi agre
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rec.sport.baseball	time game articl apr adob snichol adob sherri nichol write reason unhappi length game todai sum for extra minut game averag and extra minut averag fewer run score pitch strikeout game game walk game yep and don denot slow game last night sid fernandez mow giant hitter in in game quit brisk threw pitch lead isn number pitch that determin length game behavior pitch michael zimmer voic softhelp supplier softwar develop data
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rec.sport.baseball	barri bond not bat articl franjion spot colorado edu franjion spot colorado edu john franjion write don understand thi matt william demonstr career that will not wait for good pitch hit won walk swing oppos pitcher groov fastbal william and hit that william will swing and miss not hit low and curv matt problem abil attitud isn that mind that swing that total sucker for curv ball look for that get weak point whether good bond net stat maven will you reason that think will fulfil propheci whether giant lineup optim bat bond team hitter odd and hitter aren exactli messr oba aren give and clark isn offens forc that bond suit spot assum that start hit dai michael zimmer voic softhelp supplier softwar develop data
rec.sport.baseball	game length brave updat ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov ron graham write that equal not that weeknight game can shorten half hour cut warmup pitch dawdl batter box commer time out and that sort thing not ask for you can shorten half hour studi determin time wast game heather hhenderson vax clarku edu
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rec.sport.baseball	ron gant stall and hirschbeck apr adob snichol adob sherri nichol write articl steph pegasu uiuc edu steph pegasu uiuc edu dale stephenson write past disput strike call reason step batter box not good idea even irrit umpir lot and toler not thi time kei word past warn season began that umpir had instruct enforc rule interest speed game thi happen player post public apolog hirschbeck thi case select enforc dale stephenson steph uiuc edu basebal fanat consid good wise not overburden inform golden kimbal
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rec.sport.baseball	game length brave updat articl apr vax clarku edu hhenderson vax clarku edu write ecaxron ariel lerc nasa gov ron graham write that equal not that weeknight game can shorten half hour cut warmup pitch dawdl batter box commerci time out and that sort thing not ask for you can shorten half hour studi determin time wast game nichol averag game time and averag run score for and nice piec inform nichol listen and not kill file number neighborhood half run score per game and game take minut longer that wasn ten year ago extend game minut nichol think pitch increas special pitcher wouldn surpris not simpli pitch don unreason that can ten minut back coupl shorten warmup time for relief pitcher come and coupl enforc exist rule state post thi thread and relat problem decid whether that time wast you don heard case favor give reliev warmup think differ mound field and pen rule chang didn forese will happen chang mind you can bet lot mind fail forese thing noth will chang can plai barri bond plai two movi
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flip decrypt data ga evolv for timestep can run revers evolut press space flip bit and run press for cryptograph applic kei consist number time step and time and locat specif bit invers fill ga piec code initga mov srcptr mov offset data mov lineno push push mov maxbyt mov mov inc inc loop pop pop add maxbyt loop mov srcptr mov offset initga mov maxbyt mov mov byte ptr not inc loop ret displai ga molecul bounc showga push push push push push mov mov mov srcptr mov mov lineno add maxbyt push push mov maxbyt mov mov byte ptr inc add dec jnz pop pop add loop pop pop pop pop pop ret sours data destin data scanonemiddlelin byte special case warparound mov assembl byte mov maxbyt north line lower and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt south line higher and and bit and place stuff into mov maxbyt west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc middl byte can handl loop mov maxbyt sol mov assembl byte mov maxbyt north line lower and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt south line higher and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc loop sol last byte special mov assembl byte mov maxbyt north line lower and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt south line higher and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov maxbyt east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc ret sours data destin data scanfirstlin byte special case warparound mov mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and place stuff into mov maxbyt west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc middl byte can handl loop mov maxbyt sfl mov assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc loop sfl last byte special mov assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov maxbyt east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov ret sours data destin data scanlastlin byte special case warparound mov assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and place stuff into mov maxbyt west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc middl byte can handl loop mov maxbyt sll mov assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc loop sll last byte special mov assembl byte mov maxbyt and and bit and into assembl byte mov maxbyt lineno and and bit and place stuff into mov west byte left lower and and bit and mov maxbyt east byte higher and and bit and mov mov byte ptr offset hpprule mov inc inc ret invert veloc ga invertal push push push mov srcptr mov mov lineno push mov maxbyt mov mov byte ptr offset wallrul mov inc loop pop loop pop pop pop ret iterateonc mov srcptr mov desptr mov srcptr mov desptr push push call scanfirstlin pop pop add maxbyt add maxbyt mov lineno dont scan and last push push push call scanonemiddlelin pop pop pop add maxbyt add maxbyt loop push push call scanlastlin pop pop ret iter hpp rule time iter push call iterateonc pop call showga loop iter ret iter hpp rule time iterateuntil mov mov offset offset mov byte ptr offset xor byte ptr offset inc loop call iterateonc call showga mov srcptr mov maxbyt mov mov mov mov byte ptr mov byte ptr wallrul not xor and inc loop mov mov offset offset mov byte ptr offset and xor byte ptr offset inc loop jmp mov offset push ret dup push push push push push mov mov msgptr int pop pop pop pop pop ret dup msgptr offset msg msg thi messag print code decrypt data lattic appli decod routin time step decod function left code unchang ga evolut had completelli revers thermal time equ repetit equilibr ga begin mov mov mov mov mov int mov mov mov mov int call initga call showga mov int push mov time call iter call invertal call showga mov int cmp jne begin mov srcptr xor byte ptr begin mov time call iterateuntil call invertal call showga mov int code end end start
sci.crypt	illeg wiretap den trust articl ppg bigboot wpi edu ear bigwpi wpi edu neat write appar quit easi hold person call record phone compani polic and lawyer acquir such inform warrant judici supervis whether not target suspect specif crime pardon isn thi illeg impress that warrent need thi inform phone compani order protect peopl privaci legal not phone record obtain order establish probabl result word for fish expedit local worcest polic offic spoke coupl night ago told that subpeona phone compani record extrem condit hassl and phone compani requir written subpoena evid probabl order process request suggest that offic disinterest pursu your case even you prove offend had call you time your chanc win harass suit strength thi evid nil contact peopl dealt case extrem phone harass thousand call case teach that polic thi area quit letharg pursu such matter tal
sci.crypt	licens public kei implement strnlght netcom david sternlight write will provid hint report that rsa express puzzlement confer that ask for permiss us ripem write pgp compat program thi support bill specul backdoor rsaref and pkp support secretli nsa natur that will public kei implement that rsaref and will strongli oppos implement that doesn person cannot put backdoor long precis modular arithmet librari that come sourc fact that cannot mean noth regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
sci.crypt	opinion alg markowitz dockmast ncsc mil write interest note thi regard that permiss export pkzip encrypt scheme twice deni nsa draw you conclus afraid that your inform slightli date pkware obtain licens export program world limit list countri draw your conclus strength algorithm regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
sci.crypt	disk safeti measur cuffel spot colorado edu tim cuffel write guarante that delet space overwritten optim like guarante quicker and secur method batch file that overwrot your free space for exampl fill bat echo fill bat thi top head includ std disclaim easier faster and even secur us norton utilti talk ibm and wipeinfo clean free disk space and clean slack space end file us govern standard option for care overwrit regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
sci.crypt	licens thi support bill specul backdoor rsaref and pkp support secretli nsa natur that will public kei implement that rsaref and will strongli oppos implement that doesn specul not includ depend trapdoor rsaref not that rsa consent such limit concept rsaref nsa interest interest limit number implement target interest fix kei maximum modulu size legitim liter pursu such interest bound pursu interest covert mean rest not disclos motiv and intent institut not awar not intent meaning sens william hugh murrai execut consult inform system secur locust avenu suit canaan connecticut att wmurrai whmurrai dockmast ncsc mil
sci.crypt	for trap door password encrypt etc algorithm michael levin wrote for refer algorithm can us for password encrypt clear text word run algorithm and becom sequenc symbol want thi algorithm properti that imposs revers and long word work even us high speed comput send refer idea mlevin husc harvard edu origin encrypt put into multic suggest joe weizenbaum invert air forc tiger team demonstr thi ask expert request anonym us expert suggest treat byte password kei and data for lucif encrypt algorithm similar ident de thi method stronger care issu discuss comp secur misc longer password and qualiti control user can choos password common tactic tom vanvleck talig
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target cme ellisun stratu carl ellison write for exampl had program disk creat total random file encrypt messag and demonstr that file question creat that program claim that fact creat that program stand true sinc innoc can prove wrong hmmm that bring neat idea sooo neat patent can you bill copyright william yerazuni aka crah merciless right reserv respons love smell flash powder morn smell theatr
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target articl apr ucsu colorado edu cuffel spot colorado edu tim cuffel write thi creat bunch set random data and encrypt set random data show that encypt random data for kick rest delet kei friend thi establish reason doubt content encrypt file and abil kei sinc thi law that forc user provid kei demand worthless law wors worthless polic power put innoc peopl jail polic find don understand polic don return kei never mind differ core file and classifi militari secret plenti scenario user idea uniniti junk burden proof user show that normal upstand citizen put that situat america disgust thi easili peopl provid bargain chip hypothet alleg child molest drug dealer bad thing style time basic peopl don clear distinct crimin and suspect analog find loos screw your hous and insist that you build bomb machin gun you you and you prove your claim you explain such simpl term peopl start idea matter fact random file disk reason special purpos hardwar take long time gener good random bit program that crank coupl bit per minut pretti conserv time that you point encrypt random data you random data you want data encrypt file you put header peopl thi will put jail you arrest and polic for your kei you can random junk won you you sit jail you can consol fact that govern will burn cpu year find that not joe kean amateur cryptologist jgk osc uunet amdcad osc jgk
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target articl osc joe kean jgk osc write matter fact random file disk reason special purpos hardwar take long time gener good random bit program that crank coupl bit per minut pretti conserv time that sound program interest post alt sourc
sci.crypt	hard drive secur articl fkj rpi edu antonh rpi edu write can send info encrpyt hard disk consequ type action chose futur thi countri and european countri peopl encrypt note notebook for hundr year thousand long tradit date back alchemist noth bad happen assum that noth bad happen you thi long histori establish encrypt properti individu disclaim opinion express carl ellison cme stratu stratu comput inc bkw tel fairbank boulevard marlborough fax
sci.crypt	licens public kei implement articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jame ebright write guess will wait for time futur such good crypto that nsa job agenc will disband and file open appropr histor delai you overlook fundament truth headcount and budget govern agenc monoton increas function that truth you for agenc can occupi peopl and spend that monei crypto unbreak perhap talk world telephon compani into make equip break into and tap convinc peopl that distribut comput good idea that even intern state process for access wiretap disclaim opinion express carl ellison cme stratu stratu comput inc bkw tel fairbank boulevard marlborough fax
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target rja cam ross anderson write articl apr ucsu colorado edu cuffel spot colorado edu tim cuffel write thi suggest secur product design approach fill hard drive random file and file encrypt number kei whenev secret file creat you delet random file and replac real encrypt data secret file encrypt kei thrash do file system step write minim file system program that us creat delet file decrypt ramdisk list directori put util password protect floppi catch that storag space us thi util not part do file system defrag your disk pack alloc cluster into cluster us back end partit hold your stealth file system leav small partit disk that not assign do anoth approach us directori that contain set invari file do system file for instanc due do alloc minimum storag unit cluster unus physic space disk tail end each file and end associ cluster dead space concaten and us hold your stealth file system you situat encrypt data appear your disk rai berri rai ol cdac rjberri eskimo compuserv
sci.crypt	sourc random bit unix workstat articl pivot sbi bet sbi bennett todd salomon brother inc write thi decid configur mit magic cooki secur for for thi work you stick bit that intrud can guess file readabl you client applic read pass bit back server want establish connect settl grab bunch traffic network basic ran etherfind greater compress and skip output grab bit can bit that can expect uniformli distribut and quit unguess intrud for your applic you can encrypt real time clock secret kei
sci.crypt	sourc random bit unix workstat articl psu edu eiffel psu edu nicol write articl pivot sbi bet sbi bennett todd salomon brother inc write thi decid configur mit magic cooki secur for for thi work you stick bit that intrud can guess file readabl you client applic read pass bit back server want establish connect settl grab bunch traffic network basic ran etherfind greater compress and skip output grab bit can bit that can expect uniformli distribut and quit unguess intrud for your applic you can encrypt real time clock secret kei for good discuss cryptograph good random number gener check draft ietf secur random txt internet draft your local friendli internet draft repositori sourc random output cryptograph hash function fed larg amount random data for exampl run dev mem slow random sourc random bit bound bit entropi ten hundr megabyt data modern workstat memori fair amount system timer buffer etc
sci.crypt	amend and password articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu ashal magnu ac ohio state edu andrew hall write postiv will correct wrong doesn cover not forc action that incrimin polic couldn demand that you silent bodi buri monei hidden can make you piss jar and possibl provid dna semen and hair sampl undergo test for gunpowd residu your hand btw that chemic engin arrest wtc explos thrust hand into toilet fill urin cop break door nitrogen urin mask residu explos found interest new report act not reason perhap privaci group discuss legal ramif password shot jimmi hoffa and bodi storag locker camden back impress that real judg dismiss argument that thi password incrimin year law school sophistri fact that you us statement for password bear verac that phrase you not ask incrimid you buri bodi you ask provid inform execut legal search warrant refus provid password akin refus provid kei storag locker that forc into locker that doesn mean you understand find point thing overlook search bear gile bear fsl noaa gov
sci.crypt	articl qhc transfer stratu cme ellisun stratu carl ellison write articl apr mnemosyn edu rwebb nyx edu russel webb write call paranoid thi kind scare stori dorothi den cite call for limit cryptographi doubt that thi suspect that fbi and nsa and agenc easili mount nationwid campaign tax dollar build public outcri digit commun unbreak encrypt commun haven you read noam chomski work wide us inform net control peopl unthink hundr billion dollar will spent wipe regul and order onc major media and poitic power wake efect can you can bother read video manufactur consent paul
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target straight encrypt your keyr and put result mislead name won notic window directori half file straight encrypt bat file that will decrypt keyr ramdisk and will set pgppath point set anoth bat file decrypt and execut ram disk name target file argument that link thi file and exist batch file refer rest system comment test script for fool pgp set pgppath pgp directori leav origin keyr that pgp directori pgp good indic that you plai haven made us pgp add set kei your name and simpl passphras never us us your wide publish kei for low secur mail need run second bat file make intermedi and plainfil gener ramdisk you hear concuss grenad hit power switch cheer marc marc thibault ci put anoth log marc tanda isi org freenet fire
sci.crypt	sourc mactinosh pgp sourc code macintosh pgp anonym ftp ftp netcom pub gradi mget macpgp src sea hqx mget macpgp srcsignatur convert compact pro extract archiv binhex check digit signatur hqx file your copi pgp macintosh user wish check digit signatur note that denot end line macintosh not crlf for purpos itar act thi unclassifi technic document herebi releas into public domain represent made copyright commerci right that exist thi packag full sourc code symantec project and full user document includ for and version pretti good privaci strong public kei encrypt and digit signatur applic rsa algorithm patent unit state and idea cipher patent switzerland execut includ execut anonym ftp leif thep sweden night nig japan van wimsei canada soda berkelei edu berkelei src doc unit kingdom ghost dsi unimi itali plaza aarnet edu australia nic funet finland public kei anonym server site send messag subject for inform internet site pgp public kei junkbox iastat edu michael graff explor iastat edu ftp tbird iastat edu usr explor public kei pgp pgp public kei toxicwast mit edu derek atkin warlord mit edu ftp toxicwast mit edu pub kei public kei pgp pgp public kei phil utmb edu john perri perri phil utmb edu ftp phil utmb edu pub pgp public kei pgp pgp public kei demon mark turner mark demon ftp ftp demon pub pgp pubr pgp site pgp public kei jpunix john perri perri jpunix execut applic built sourc not licens rsa data secur inc rsa public kei algorithm idea block cipher algorithm approv nation secur agenc thi unclassifi technic document made for educ us possess distribut us execut binari built thi sourc civil crimin offens suggest improv bug comment directli post alt secur pgp princip develop list sourc document gener question and comment public kei cryptographi idea cipher post alt secur pgp sci crypt usenet group gradi netcom
sci.crypt	amend and password ashal magnu ac ohio state edu andrew hall write postiv will correct wrong doesn cover not forc action that incrimin mike godwin mnemon eff org post permiss carl sadli not suspect can compel give handwrit and voic exemplar and blood and dna test polic couldn demand that you silent bodi buri monei hidden compel you produc kei safe happen evid that will convict you store crypto kei disclosur issu hasn come current law suggest that loser for defend compel turn kei test for compel incrimin whether materi disclos inculp disclos exampl gave safe kei testimoni ergo can disclos compuls subpoena duce tecum govern can immun disclosur crypto kei compel you disclos kei price not fact your disclosur evid case you can us discov result thi disclosur you mike carl kadi not repres organ thi kadi uiuc edu
sci.crypt	pgp pem and rfc cryptographi patent charl kinci ckinci umr edu wrote yeah you will pai mucho big buck and us routin you doesn sound reason thi full shit negoti licens and buck incred reason upfront charg slide scale depend your capit you startup and can afford you can afford start place peopl insist make unequivoc statement that noth don guess pkp and rsa interest big buck agenda secur commun for govern agent perhap you consid treatment for paranoia govern singl biggest thorn rsa side limit guess don us code pkp rsa doesn such provid secur commun for averag citizen that exactli purpos you noth prevent averag citizen sell hope cynic misplac ahead not afraid wrong onc uneasi feel that and you wrong you emotion state bunch crap fact tini disclaim end check your fact and grow such strong correl interest cryptographi and immatur bob cain rcain netcom
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devic export will devic that us govern hardwar voic encrypt devic subject export control requir case case review for each export requir ensur us devic true for encrypt devic attract thi technolog protect can give compani oper home and abroad thi mind expect export licens will grant case case basi for compani seek us devic secur commun abroad plan review possibl permit wider export product end includ articl pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qpg finn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write articl tcmayc jex netcom tcmai netcom timothi write wors current unsecur system becom wors govern thi clinton clipper argu for restrict unapprov encrypt thi main concern camel nose tent etc not pick isn thi kind domino theori countri fall neighbor will sure follow and you mine salt siberia for not turn captain crunch secret decod ring agre you thi privat sector entiti bui crypto system that partial compromis kei escrow thi instanc privat sector entiti bui crypto system that had not properli evalu algorythm not public releas answer obviou wouldn hardwar not compromis de exampl tripl de suspicion that price will drop dramat clipper system not troubl that clinton administr not stupid cannot that fail realiz thi initi will fail crippl de never move can work coercion you polit you don realiz that thi step move make sens move ban severli crippl crypto not clipper system easili justifi want encrypt subvert govern provid you secur altern us jail fine can you reconcil administr proclaim purpos provid law enforc access encrypt data make clipper system crypto you simpli can and administr want govt hair for drug deal bui clipper system don sell crafti clinton type short can that stupid ban clipper crypto answer administr collect that potato you jump fast big and not face will bui stuff that doesn thi man hell jump gun interpret andrew tim sig block bust regim isn thi melodramat wit letter clinton white hous offic press secretari presidenti comment line fax april sir and madam object strongli administr evolv posit encrypt and cryptographi shock clinton regim increas lean authoritarian approach regard privaci and freedom govern oversight dai dai life appar that draft clipper chip propos incident gain notorieti big brother propos incred ignor sly knowledg nuanc cryptograph develop and research understand that kei step develop algorithm destin for standard full disclosur algorithm privat and academ sector proper evalu algorithm dep end care scrutini sector and such scrutini can provid true public confid secur algorithm assumpt that algorithm will accept base assur expert full disclosur plain ignor addit assumpt that algorithm will market technolog such de character kei escrow lunaci easi step logic chain that probabl consum will prefer purchas equip not crippl govern kei escrow matter tamper proof kei escrow cannot that even educ polici maker fail realiz flaw can assum that drafter clipper chip propos knew difficulti sell crippl system privat sector thi propos make sens chanc succeed coercion even languag propos make painfulli clear that logic step outlaw encrypt devic and hardwar that not uti lize big brother chip public larg not educ issu realiz lose expect big brother propos encount resist american peopl you will effici dupe onc pretti word harmoni encrypt and voluntari mortifi that phrase that us and character clinton administr can happen startl question colleagu mine pose and realiz that everydai becom and relev reichstag fire plan for concern signatur shaen logan bernhardt uni ac edu uni ac edu public kei finger and request public kei archiv pgp public kei junkbox iastat edu sovereignti sign brutal past cryptographi not crime fight big brother propos
sci.crypt	detect us illeg cipher articl apr clarinet brad clarinet brad templeton write your honour suspect suddenli start anoth level cryptographi and can tap phone call hide sign warrant search hous make that access decent crypto place can clipper voic clipper tripl dese voic copi your kei crimin us encrypt will cover clipper avoid thi will prohibit strong encrypt shouldn thi detect us illeg cypher transmit clear statist properti plaintext fashion wiretap detect us pre encrypt drastic increas measur entropi input countermeasur thi us steganograph techniqu put voic you can nsa built thi featur blow mike and observ whether band thug come your ceil pgp kei finger mail eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
sci.crypt	work text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt marc vanheyningen mvanheyn indiana edu write main thing don whether thi chip implement symmetr asymmetr cryptograph techniqu don will specul peopl suggest that chip us public kei cryptographi anoth possibl us diffi hellman kei exchang algorithm similar effect end agre session kei us symmetr cryptographi de for encrypt back door kei work thi system can possibl that algorithm properti that session kei can deduc eavesdropp back door kei for possibl communic perhap random number us seed back door kei such anoth possibl suggest earlier that chip simpli broadcast session kei encrypt chip intern secret kei thi system back door kei secret kei usabl for decrypt thi session kei broadcast chip secret kei doesn public kei thi usag can ident secret back door kei thi propos straightforward anoth possibl that encrypt algorithm us for messag dual kei properti that possess two kei can us decrypt kei session kei exchang and back door kei for chip worth note that propos dorothi den rais amazingli prescient line discuss last novemb and decemb variat diffi hellman parti particip deriv session kei thi doesn quit fit into clipper work hint that had earli knowledg clipper think synchron clipper design had diffi hellman mind hal finnei
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sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow articl brad clarinet brad templeton write greatest danger escrow databas disk chanc that complet copi leak you hard backup consequ backup data not warrant come wors consequ secret backup data isn warrant come you effect secur crypto secret backup you effect crypto thi poster essentiali argu crypto secur crypto data isn warrant come govern will us normal law enforc techniqu catch crook thi bad btw bug isn normal law enforc techniqu privaci clipper will becom normal techniqu jim inform farm for addr phone finger ohio state univers jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jim ebright mail jre osu edu
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sci.crypt	detect us illeg cipher articl nmb cof new claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu eli brandt write shouldn thi detect us illeg cypher transmit clear statist properti plaintext fashion wiretap detect us pre encrypt drastic increas measur entropi input countermeasur thi us steganograph techniqu put voic thi detect pre encrypt defeat can transform spectrum encrypt signal ad pre arrang begin commun function you can fft your encrypt signal think for pgp public kei finger mkagalen lynx dac northeastern edu
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl edu uni ac edu shaen bernhardt write agre you thi privat sector entiti bui crypto system that partial compromis kei escrow thi instanc privat sector entiti bui crypto system that had not properli evalu algorythm not public releas answer obviou wouldn hardwar not compromis de exampl tripl de follow opinion not assert truth flame come background year senior corpor staff execut two fortun compani happi us crypto system suppli nsa for busi told secur de and resist attempt japanes french and competit compani and govern break happi even escrow kei provid happi bona fide escrow agenc feder reserv satisfi set big account firm trust nsa presid state trap door even happier committe independ expert examin thing seal secreci and report back that secur trust nsa long trust swiss japanes thi surpris suggest corpor feel pick corpor attitud that nsa part govern and support govern famou ceo put dai perspect anoth point view david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	announc consult congress industri discuss congress and industri encrypt issu and expect discuss intensifi carri review encrypt polici brief member congress and industri leader decis relat thi initi congress plai polit talk cpsr academia public internet user heard top design top democraci state district chip manufactur administr unabl find technolog solut propos administr will us legal remedi restrict access power encrypt devic thi fundament polici question will consid broad polici review wonder kei escrow system administr not sinc encrypt threaten public safeti and effect law enforc will prohibit outright countri effect provid easili compromis version public that american matter entitl unbreak commerci encrypt product cra cryptograph right amend fals tension creat assess that thi issu proposit concern can and fact harmoni balanc reason balanc approach such propos clipper chip and similar encrypt techniqu nice lullabi not sooth articl leland stanford edu arc leland stanford edu andrew richard conwai write can work govern doesn want sell oversea easi for interest decod make perfect tool for industri militari espionag lull stupid bui into fals sens secur you will notic that mention anywher safeti for american repeat appear and stori pretti convinc that justic depart stole case track system modifi and distribut friendli polic and suchlik agenc world canadian mounti doubt swore scout honor that backdoor that kind intellig want swamp terabyt commerci traffic dwight tuinstra tuinstra sandman ec clarkson edu toler tuinstrd craft camp clarkson edu homo sapien planetari cancer new six
sci.crypt	battl join articl apr qualcomm karn servo qualcomm phil karn write dorothi den wrong head idea administr even sooner fear administr thi that govern work for and den prime pump speak juda goat whether paid gullibl doesn matter that nsa had idea for thi for quit promot den and siez opportun administr spend monei espionag bush not that effect order total obviou you will lose your drug free and proud ribbon two dai you will catch neighborhood kid smoke
sci.crypt	battl join articl new claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu eli brandt write articl apr qualcomm karn servo qualcomm phil karn write dorothi den wrong head idea administr even sooner fear lai long odd that clinton didn pull thi plan bodili orific nsa work for year heard rumor similar govern propos risk digest peter trei ptrei mitr org
sci.crypt	clipper chip lurk bit and math unknown found interest thought post articl found saturdai april toronto star clipper chip protect privaci washington reuter presid bill clinton announc yesterdai plan plant clipper chip govern telephon and comput line prevent eavesdrop eventu chip develop govern nation institut for standard and technolog us commerci and privat electron commun user white hous that assur privaci each devic contain encrypt devic assign two uniqu kei number that will need govern agenc decod messag attornei gener assign task arrang that kei deposit two kei escrow data base access limit govern offici legal author conduct wiretap white hous statement dan mckinnon canada remot system toronto ontario
sci.crypt	sourc that announc marc horowitz nzu marc mit edu wrote messag nist clipper chip come address clipper csrc ncsl nist gov clipper chip announc that ask ask comput telnet csrc ncsl nist gov list name elid for breviti isn that interest dorothi den mitch kapor marc rotenberg ron rivest jim bidzo and govern rsa ti cpsr and eff repres don suppos organ care comment thi white hous idea cruel joke peopl inbox that person that list heard clipper fridai morn newspap and anoth fire letter protest nist point suspect thi list interest for reason not repres cabal that put thi propos togeth thi noth mail list peopl crypto relat announc nsa mean nist tim timothi crypto anarchi encrypt digit monei tcmai netcom anonym network digit pseudonym knowledg reput inform market apto black market collaps govern higher power public kei pgp and mailsaf
sci.crypt	secur clipper that discuss clipper secur almost irrelev cannot choos kei us kei chosen for foundri secur univers user good bad secur vlsi technolog inc trivial effort run ciphertext again kei manufactur talk million kei that will manufactur kei depositori can secur and incorrupt care convinc that ship dock vti att and impenetr rememb chip ship kei you dealer submit author eventu bit happier that govern includ our won full list kei manufactur miss opinion quit wurman email zeev kei amdahl zeev ccc amdahl organ amdahl corp land parkwai freemont phone offic fax attn zeev wurman
sci.crypt	kei registr idea begin pgp sign messag articl access digex net pcw access digex peter wayner write system vulner simpl phone swap attack thi crimin will quickli figur thi and town depend that phone send serial number clear interv listen that and kei for swap phone isn problem for gov that that thi line belong you watch line and and kei for that case thi bit deeper jbl wxld thi understood major problem that lot peopl don trust thi kei escrow stuff and fact that algorithm classifi lot thi look closer derek pgp kei request kei server pgp public kei toxicwast mit edu derek atkin mit electr engin and comput scienc secretari mit student inform process board sipb mit media laboratori speech research group warlord mit edu asel nwh
sci.crypt	pem and mime articl nigel msen emv garnet msen edward vielmetti write newel wcn washington edu wrote can global multimedia mail solut definit minimum servic level and mime not provid for thi internet will invest softwar peopl content suggest that attract mime format new messag dai suffici peopl think ad mime support new reader esp content worth imho long unix specif mua newsread etc reach servic level commerci platform such definit consist object data type and rule for handl includ transport specif document long mac and window mua and newsread readi handl sheer volum new and mail that unix specif tool cope choic feechur make damn thing fast flood you bet that fast win usual make good point time friend mine sun mail compos sun openwindow mailtool handl mime attach and sinc don us mailtool had manual save cut past and uudecod actual attach not inconsider amount time spent thi audio file origin messag mail header and uuencod data result audio messag singl sentenc that transcrib charact messag had sentenc plain text mail byte and second process and minut complet wast time and bandwidth concern send plain text effici method transmiss transport mechan shudder happen start post usenet articl audio file plain text meltdown net predict film eleven back mono thi sub thread longer pem administr polici redirect followup back comp mail mime greg greg earl phone fax internet earl isolar tujunga isolar earl elroi jpl nasa gov elroi isolar earl
sci.crypt	sourc feal encryt algorithm interest sourc feal encrypt algorithm you can sourc can find document feal advanc ciao hermann email
sci.crypt	don fight clipper chip subvert replac clipper chip culmin dorthi den let ignor that for moment fundament question can govern stop encrypt ignor for moment question patent process such public kei can govern stop encrypt process answer freedom thi countri and time gun lawyer depend damag and assum that can encrypt thing care clipper chip concern phone line insecur period don care encrypt wai sundai didn encrypt don trust thi attitud that worri clipper chip simpli connect your handset your comput and feed voic singl process encrypt and transmit phone gui hand revers can work you standard you you never pgp expect govern protect freedom kid you can protect your freedom final thought address eff you support implement form encrypt encrypt kei reveal you not specif action you plan support stop thi propos you not support thi propos altern you offer jester proof window viru widespread eat your disk space slow your comput take control your comput perform disk access random time displai silli messag your screen randomli crash comput vesselin
sci.crypt	propos polic point view pai start thi propos mean polic agenc bad idea for suppos state polic want tap suspect phone warrant dai unlik dai two feder agenc give two part kei happen tiff two escrow hous posess releas kei becom polit bargain chit state and lower level polic agenc watch big boi plai polit potenti good lead disappear live and properti lost statut limit run etc not mention moder clever person suspect polic will bui phone faster tap request can process stolen will ture polic come and arrest you for transmit dial licens bureacraci and secur problem each escrow hous will request for kei disclosur authent put safeguard kind bureaucrat and activist feel comfort and long time that kei even request approv kei disclos will encrypt clipper type chip for transmiss bureaucraci size feder govern databank size and data traffic project volum lot weak link kind problem will open for public expert scrutini fed leeri hand complet kei even state polic agenc trust and secur issu thi acut issu state polic had mishandl kei result lawsuit financi settlement and polit embarass fed implement thi feder agenc get kei perform tap and turn result state polic cuomo caus problem clinton aid urban area propos happen turf war state cop and justic depart case not kei polit chit extra player game and tap tape anoth bargain chit state polic lose understand that legal wiretap quit expens maintain scenario pai bill dwight tuinstra tuinstra sandman ec clarkson edu toler tuinstrd craft camp clarkson edu homo sapien planetari cancer new six
sci.crypt	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt andrew richard conwai arc leland stanford edu wrote can work govern doesn want sell oversea easi for interest decod make perfect tool for industri militari espionag lull stupid bui into fals sens secur you will notic that mention anywher safeti for american don forget you countri that wouldn russian bui appl secur concern ben bena bruce monash edu
sci.crypt	don fight clipper chip subvert replac articl ygoland wright ygoland wright sea ucla edu jester write ignor for moment question patent process such public kei can govern stop encrypt process preced area govern like put tax encrypt technolog onc tax impos becom feder matter and suspicis unlicens cryptograph tool will bring batf fbi toss grenad into your hous batf appear logic agenc enforc such regul feder control alocohol tobacco and firearm similari base tax fcc won sale receiev that can receiv band that suppos privat thi noth desir prevent harm interfer govern can make radio receiv illeg make you won claim control encrypt john carr jfc athena mit edu
sci.crypt	battl join articl new claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu eli brandt write articl apr qualcomm karn servo qualcomm phil karn write dorothi den wrong head idea administr even sooner fear lai long odd that clinton didn pull thi plan bodili orific nsa work for year that den and promin peopl happen start argu for such system like that suggest involv thi guess wrong apolog dorothi den honest person and wouldn lie simpli question involv care phrase such that can jesuit evas true wholli mislead answer thi countri expert answer question for instanc british journalist jonathon moyl kill south america coupl year ago parliament ask employe turn wasn paid wasn employe equal wasn agent abroad privat busi interview and debrief length return
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl apr clarinet brad clarinet brad templeton write articl tcmayc jex netcom tcmai netcom timothi write get court order reveal kei make decipher past convers tape disk whatver understand propos wrong mention session kei escrow entiti true theori practic technolog cellular phone will spread spectrum and quit difficult record crypttext kei frequenc path depend kei understand made effect imposs record not expert cryptographi scienc basic thing evid thing thi clinton clipper not address pertain opportunit for abus and conclus base membership thi group for two notabl person agre bad govern theori almost end happen fact kei make abus imposs question author and rememb power corrupt regard thi idea sens that will expand includ data form such data transfer and store data and such treat expand such expans will almost imposs stop clipper precid hint that propos rememb that bear not articul word briefli you onc hit land you can record you telco access telco isn 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sci.crypt	open letter clinton articl strnlghtc netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write simpl convert clipper propos unexception make voluntari that you high qualiti secur nsa classifi technolog you agre escrow your kei you your long you your mean that you can us your encrypt sold bruce
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qpg finn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write articl tcmayc jex netcom tcmai netcom timothi write wors current unsecur system becom wors govern thi clinton clipper argu for restrict unapprov encrypt thi main concern camel nose tent etc not pick isn thi kind domino theori countri fall neighbor will sure follow and you mine salt siberia for not turn captain crunch secret decod ring sure hypothesi reli wild assumpt thi face lad fort ask cook that pretti secur kei that can escrow neatli and govern plan sell thi thing for reason state evil gui fbi can effort abus system new for you evil gui fbi decid want persecut you gonna and you gonna hate fact fbi doesn want listen your phone call and and you tripl de parabol microphon and point your head mail can break your pgp encrypt call tempest truck and read electromagnet emmis your comput termin note that measur protect tempest surveil classifi thi pretti effort govern exactli typic govern mismanag and full hole and compromis typic govern not bad wors interpret andrew tim sig block bust regim isn thi melodramat regim come fruition make you protect your amend right assert your second amend right doug holland
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sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow articl strnlghtc lgfi jqa netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write argu nose camel worth note that govern propos limit scrambl telephoni us for that purpos and not extend electron mail file encrypt improv current mass produc standard civilian technolog except limit easi break invert note that big issu for fed continu abil wiretap deep end long discus secur crypto for mail and file focu thi question that not ask releas whether thi propos limit telephoni govern intend expand share concern express find propos threaten sinc american secur telephoni and jerk pair clip lead and goat can eavesdrop thi plug secur hole cellular and cordless phone read line infer that system highli secur access kei thi meet busi confront rich and power adversari includ french and japanes secur servic and rich japanes compani nsa make stuff protect law enforc legitim corpor trust nsa and delight high secur system certifi even price deposit kei escrow difficulti creat reliabl escrow corpor entrust secret attornei dai week and that system work pretti point view thi fair start point concern that address includ reliabl escrow return access high secur crypto suggest that de and system breakabl nsa and similarli skill and endow good possibl check that propos system not breakabl doesn trapdoor govern can kei pursuant legitim court order can protect legitim commun econom adversari eavesdrop crook pursuant court order you thi you trust richard nixon your crypto kei wouldn doug holland
sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail receiv two note martin hellman detail clipper will work post permiss implic detail fascin date sat apr pdt martin hellman hellman isl stanford edu long list recipi subject clipper chip you announc fridai time etc nist nation institut standard technolog announc clipper chip crypto devic messg net ask for technic detail and labor understand misunderstand lack detail new articl your friendli nsa link somewhat surpris fridai call agenc suppli miss detail told info public thi denni branstad nist doubl check fact sinc assum awar thi wrong clipper chip will secret crypto algorithm embed silicon each chip will two secret bit kei will for chip system wide kei and will unit specif don nist and nsa will call will call system kei and unit kei thi messag will design extrem difficult revers that system kei can secret clear that want algorithm secret and opinion for that thi state purpos unit kei will gener xor two bit random number and will two escrow author escrow author will decid attornei gener stress that will not nsa law enforc agenc that parti accept user system unbias law enforc agenc get court order will present two escrow author and receiv and therebi allow access unit kei addit system kei each user will choos kei and chang desir call thi kei plain messag will encrypt will encrypt unit kei and serial number unit ad produc part messag will encrypt system kei produc serial number court order obtain and and law enforc agenc will us decrypt inform flow suspect link guess that thi constantli link court order sinc almost imposs link messag will flow thi agenc access serial number messag check serial number unit and watch list for court order will decrypt obtain and decrypt obtain process assess thi scheme not kind endors propos scheme assess scheme knowledg will that for court order worri feel comfort not necessarili comfort two separ court order need per escrow author explan need stori add color research idea that silvio micali and kick spoke gerald gunther constitut law expert stanford and relat stori edward levi pre ford attornei gener waterg visit fbi agent ask for wiretap author levi ask for detail review case requir law agent told that predecessor turn blank sign form time levi not compli and chang system lesson clear singl person author power author wiretap wors divulg person kei sometim will edward levi and sometim john mitchel martin hellman date sun apr pdt martin hellman hellman isl stanford edu smb research att subject clipper chip fine post previou messag sci crypt you post thi messag recipi spars request info ask for comment specif question thi post apolog for messag unabl respond spend time answer mail and overload thi week respons note correct dorothi den met person nsa that talk phone understand like mine thi point transmit info serial number messag not doubl encrypt system kei famili kei told call encrypt serial number serial number and encrypt unit kei thi not major differ thought mention and for bring attent make sens sinc cut encrypt comput overhead
sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow articl qnupd jpm new intercon amanda intercon amanda walker write amanda intercon amanda walker jhess netcom john hess write great wonder new can listen fed hei statu quo worri fed tap phone high school scanner surfer kick eavesdrop cellular and cordless phone call polit dissid scare shitless fed listen call opinion sort that disappear slightli free societi and sort societi will ten year friend had phone tap thi theoret for statu quo you can cryptophon compani cylink todai and work addit number group work build softwar turn into privaci enhanc phone and work overdr mode and crypto restrict lift thi incremement improv for applic crypto restrict you can us you want point maintain that perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qovj umd edu louie sayshel umd edu loui mamako write articl tcmayc jex netcom tcmai netcom timothi write wors current unsecur system becom wors govern thi clinton clipper argu for restrict unapprov encrypt thi main concern camel nose tent etc excus thi happen coupl hump tent folk qualcomm trivial encrypt scheme propos for us cdma digiti cellular phone standard restrict place you slightli wrong dump encrypt system not export not not produc for us legal restraint citizen us strong cryptographi perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	hyster articl qpg finn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write articl tcmayc jex netcom tcmai netcom timothi write wors current unsecur system becom wors govern thi clinton clipper argu for restrict unapprov encrypt thi main concern camel nose tent etc not pick isn thi kind domino theori john gilmor point repeatedli you produc infrastructur that permit polic state function that requir suddenli find live chang attitud part govern constitut built men had risk live ensur freedom countri design system make difficult for tyranni aris for instanc reason fourth amend put make harder for govern make smuggl crime jest john hancock made monei smuggl rum drug govern everyon kei escrow and fbi get pet wiretap leav offic scheme coup happen dai world hour countri oppos tyrant monitor close tool place tyranni cannot stand tool thi place tyrann dictatorship successfulli impos give govern tool enslav you you can trust bill clinton you will that you can trust govern that will aris hereaft not will make that leap faith tim sig block bust regim isn thi melodramat polit dissid such acut awar happen polit dissid world world kill for belief call amnesti intern time find happen dissid world that seper place thin piec parchment nation archiv that constantli and erod such farc war drug coup happen countri that had stabl democraci for hundr year govern histori fallen govern last for hundr year replac dictatorship you intens that never happen that you will bet your life and live your children and love construct tool tyranni enforc make order magnitud like that happen happen tool place stick naiv fool such leadership can protect hundr that fail thrive democraci led men skillful bill clinton fallen dictatorship rome had thrive republ run exquisit skill men tyranni for unwil trust that never happen hubri immun happen perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	sourc that announc articl tcmayc mr netcom tcmai netcom timothi write that person that list heard clipper fridai morn newspap and anoth fire letter protest nist point suspect thi list interest for reason not repres cabal that put thi propos togeth receiv mail mitch kapor that not list and not ad appli list guess initi theori that clipper list idea bad joke guess happi wasn conspiraci marc marc horowitz nzu marc mit edu
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write note that measur protect tempest surveil classifi thi inaccur can bui tempest equip commerci even mac david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail short summari bellovin hellman nsa global kei kei for each chip user can choos session kei for each phone call make chip kei and user govern and appar messag encrypt that system describ can possibl work happen plug ciphertext into receiv chip receiv chip receiv chip inform can work can comput system cryptograph useless and kei escrow bullshit messag decrypt dan
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good dougla craig holland holland colost edu write mail can break your pgp encrypt call tempest truck and read electromagnet emmis your comput termin note that measur protect tempest surveil classifi lcd displai vulner tempest regim come fruition make you protect your amend right assert your second amend right second that jason stood van yell excus sir ain noth wrong thi countri that plastic explos won cure steve taylor blew clinic real good steiner jupit cse utoledo edu
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good escom donaldson write amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write evil gui fbi can effort abus system new for you evil gui fbi decid want persecut you gonna and richard nixon had had thi kind toi wouldn had send peopl into waterg thi appear gener call name anti christ for hell destroi thi remark imagin that execut branch extract kei escrow hous know tell dick bit data hell gonna trot telco and unauthoris decrypt tap huh break waterg and instal tap peopl break neat huh record nois execut branch phone decrypt box huh good wait til washington post get hold thi and decrypt nois like stare kei and hell not worth thi bloodi hassl truth even grant lot covert power part execut branch thi system difficult tap pot gear fact that easier tap hypothet system you place phone ration concern rais kei chop half and not xor arrang that egregi technic error built plan thi step strict regul strong encrypt that not issu real issu whether thi will us justifi ban individu us privat encrypt method thi suspect not govern want make such reg hundr peopl usenet yell wouldn even slow machin thi mysteri right instant guard congress that gang buffoon can even balanc checkbook fbi don make law nsa ditto white hous bill clinton for bathroom big place andrew
sci.crypt	open letter clinton articl ili chinet chi schneier chinet chi bruce schneier write articl strnlghtc netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write simpl convert clipper propos unexception make voluntari that you high qualiti secur nsa classifi technolog you agre escrow your kei you your long you your mean that you can us your encrypt sold bruce high qualiti secur nsa classifi technolog mean hand kei whomev pgp dai bill voluntari bend come wiretap chip base unit easier you will redefin your mean write and don even distribut honest bui thi trash compromis and will bui algorithm not disclos nsa that make thi stuff public mean hand foreign power interest process sinc export control stop softwar wise carefulli high qualiti secur nsa classifi technolog hand not you can drive nsa van hole uni dark uni ac edu public kei finger and request public kei archiv pgp public kei pgp iastat edu sovereignti sign brutal past cryptographi not crime fight big brother propos
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sci.crypt	clipper chip and kei exchang method want question dan bernstein ask clipper chip exchang kei public kei bit long public kei scheme that secur that kei size diffi hellman gamal set constant real scheme exchang verifi public kei send encrypt randomli gener session kei encrypt decrypt voic trafic sort fast stream cipher can elabor thi show miss john kelsei mizzou missouri edu
sci.crypt	secur clipper zeev ccc amdahl wurman write that govern includ our won full list kei manufactur encrypt crippl chip encrypt encrypt algorithm great top secret and unbreak won even you doesn that make you feel secur robert clark rclark nyx edu big brother chip
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write mail can break your pgp encrypt call tempest truck and read electromagnet emmis your comput termin note that measur protect tempest surveil classifi don classifi rememb that you author govt illeg tempest shield your equip effect tempest shield difficult you jim rogu neu edu rogu agent sod nsa fund research not cryptographi area advanc mathemat you circular describ research opportun pick your phone call your mother and for
sci.crypt	fight clipper initi idea for you want oppos white hous clipper chip crypto initi thi tough measur fight sinc govern invest lot resourc develop thi high profil initi won easi defeat senat bill action respons mobil your friend thing thi list and work press talk your local newspap scienc and technolog report write your favorit trade rag write articl for your favorit magazin newspap explain clipper chip initi bad idea rememb tailor your audienc gener public slow grasp bad idea sinc technic and arcan and innoc sound not come across flame libertarian paranoid extremist even you lobbi congress write letter and make phone call your member congress your district your two senat member congress aid that advis technolog issu talk aid involv your local polit parti libertarian parti interest libertarian wing democrat and republican parti privaci surprisingli broad appeal span part polit spectrum natur alli aclu nra activist group that somedai find face govern that can suppress effici trend plai you articul argument you want draw peopl not familiar issu contribut monei electron frontier foundat eff and comput profession for social respons cpsr assum group will fight thi initi monei for legal expens and lobbi mobil opposit industri compani that will develop product that will incorpor clipper chip lobbi and you work for telecommun equip vendor enlist aid your cowork and fellow engin thi initi and present your compani manag unit front engin talent thi initi write persuas memo your manag your name and your colleagu name hold meet public deploi and entrench guerrilla techno monkeywrench apparatu you can that mean pgp anonym mail forward system base pgp pgp kei server etc widespread avail thi kind technolog us argument that can effect suppress govern action will work develop tool for purpos prepar engag impend public polici debat thi topic don tough thi fight will compromis want can outright defeat live modifi version thi clipper chip plan end prepar analyz govern plan and articul want modifi philip zimmermann
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sci.crypt	clipper algorithm secret cryptograph protocol anoth matter valid reason for keep secret and hope shown lot wai thing that aren quit bad occur algorithm secret publish build physic ident clone version chip that interoper offici clipper chip cloner wouldn provid kei escrow hous hmmn technic hack that miss chip made unprogram serial and ship two escrow hous program halv kei that requir that secret kei escrow hous instal clone version wouldn interoper thi get complic that crypto for you john levin iecc pob cambridg johnl iecc cambridg ima spdcc world iecc johnl time monei steal todai
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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail djb silverton berkelei edu bernstein short summari bellovin hellman nsa global kei kei for each chip user can choos session kei for each phone call make chip kei and user govern and appar messag encrypt that system describ can possibl work happen plug ciphertext into receiv chip receiv chip receiv chip inform can work can comput system cryptograph useless and kei escrow bullshit messag decrypt descript algorithm plausibl explant can find that agre bandwidth advanc two parti standard share symmetr kei marc vanheyningen mvanheyn indiana edu mime ripem accept secur divers theori state that public avail good comput game vital maintain system safeti contrast secur obscur
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sci.crypt	white hous wiretap chip disinform sheet attornei gener will procur and util encrypt devic extent need preserv govern abil conduct law electron surveil and fulfil for secur law enforc commun attornei gener util fund depart justic asset forfeitur super surplu fund effect thi purchas thi part that scare kei can like determin person state approv encrypt method and not that person life forfet and profit make bust and profit power corrupt absolut power corrupt absolut human natur not chang hundr year curt howland howland nsipo nasa gov nsi oper center nasa am
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sci.crypt	crypto confer inform upcom crypto confer address submit articl and number copi need jonathan demarrai jed pollux usc edu jai jed pollux usc edu univers southern california depressingli stupid machin marvin
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good strnlght netcom david sternlight write follow opinion not assert truth flame come background year senior corpor staff execut two fortun compani happi us crypto system suppli nsa for busi told secur de and resist attempt japanes french and competit compani and govern break happi even escrow kei provid happi bona fide escrow agenc feder reserv satisfi set big account firm trust nsa presid state trap door even happier committe independ expert examin thing seal secreci and report back that secur trust nsa long trust swiss japanes lot hinderland will trust japanes trust nsa presid stupid fortun compani you proud thi surpris suggest corpor feel pick corpor attitud that nsa part govern and support govern famou ceo put dai perspect anoth point view and sinc japanes corp aren part govern governor trust htere you peopl get tire thi patriot question and pai tax attitud that come america polit parti that cast david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good holland colost edu dougla craig holland write mail can break your pgp encrypt call tempest truck and read electromagnet emmis your comput termin note that measur protect tempest surveil classifi don classifi independ invent half dozen top head had studi advanc come good system regim come fruition make you protect your amend right assert your second amend right doug holland phil fraer dai find sort stuff pgf srl cac usl edu ancient mayan had televison repo man
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sci.crypt	underground encrypt text white hous announc articl qmugcinnpu gap caltech edu hal cco caltech edu hal finnei write worst nightmar rais dorothi den propos come true govern continu thi imagin that will strong cryptographi made illeg encrypt program for disk file and email softwar for encrypt voic commun will distribut underground peopl will learn hide fact that protect privaci thought work encapsul encrypt data insid encrypt data file file format can written gap hide data file format design altern data hidden dispers legitim data hidden data show kei and file hidden data indistinguish correct kei reveal presenc illeg document devis custom file compress algorithm and and friend uncompressor and file appear total gigerish transmit file will escrow data file format gang requir escrow hand signal color and catch phrase that import evalu content electron speach replac media pen and paper verbal speach and question
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl apr clarinet brad clarinet brad templeton write onc hit land you can record you telco access telco isn suppos give that warrant that rule todai even evid not admiss judg order that even intercept crypttext warrant illeg cop can record todai plain cellular call and judg hei can permiss listen tape can long you will becom legal for polic record encrypt convers not violat your privaci can read encrypt warrant usual good faith except accident record encrypt convers cover drug except fourth amend prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write you thi you trust richard nixon your crypto kei wouldn you mean presid nixon not privat citizen nixon noth slightest interest presid nixon david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
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sci.crypt	propos polic point view dwight tuinstra post interest messag comment effect clipper chip state and local polic read line good thing for civil liberti respect sinc will prevent cowboi cop and cowboi state and local aganc read your traffic tap illeg extens discuss eff forum for exampl inadmiss tap us develop inform that lead admiss evid thi put stop such thing time time simpl fish expedit david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail djb silverton berkelei edu bernstein write summari elid system describ can possibl work happen plug ciphertext into receiv chip receiv chip receiv chip inform can work can comput system cryptograph useless and kei escrow bullshit messag decrypt descript chip oper evid leav kei manag aspect secret kei public kei broadcast messag initi result diffi hellman kei exchang similar protocol describ isn clear whether implement clipper wiretap chip provid system compon hal finnei
sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail articl apr silverton berkelei edu djb silverton berkelei edu bernstein write short summari bellovin hellman nsa global kei kei for each chip user can choos session kei for each phone call make chip kei and user govern and appar messag encrypt that system describ can possibl work happen plug ciphertext into receiv chip receiv chip receiv chip inform can work can comput system cryptograph useless and kei escrow bullshit messag decrypt noth come session kei and chosen you choos session kei exponenti kei exchang share secret rsa etc you choos chip will appar emit escrow header you
sci.crypt	corpor accept wiretap chip strnlght netcom david sternlight write follow opinion not assert truth flame come background year senior corpor staff execut two fortun compani happi us crypto system suppli nsa for busi told secur de and resist attempt japanes french and competit compani and govern break happi even escrow kei provid happi bona fide escrow agenc feder reserv satisfi set big account firm don doubt that thi will attitud corpor leader understand corpor exec don cryptolog and easi peddl snake oil and propos scheme major improv telephon secur exist problem that secur scheme thi kind you concern weakest link chain suspect that nsa put fairli strong encrypt algorithm thi wiretap chip strong de ofb mode exist kei registri system make kind attack small fraction expens build de keysearch machin origin describ sound polic court combin acquir kei for chip hope that not case sinc impli glare hole cost find crook jodg and crook cop for foreign intellig agenc organ crime boss even intellig scheme us access unencrypt phone convers will weak ness expens and difficult trust confidenti inform encrypt scheme that for crack time hundr de for complaint bit kei cost million dollar build keysearch machin for million dollar confidenti phone messag headquart worth nissan chrysler audi home phone major exec and import engin and design gee jone understand you had financi problem can trust nsa long trust swiss japanes nsa design algorithm secur like secur idea kei de system isn resist practic cryptanalysi puzzl palac bamford describ nsa employe turn foreign kgb agent despit secur measur that doubt big account firm match and nsa confidenti data not subject request thousand polic organ and court across land john kelsei mizzou missouri edu
sci.crypt	clipper algorithm secret apr iecc cambridg johnl iecc cambridg john levin write quot cryptograph protocol anoth matter valid reason for keep secret and hope shown lot wai thing that aren quit bad occur algorithm secret publish build physic ident clone version chip that interoper offici clipper chip cloner wouldn provid kei escrow hous hmmn yeah algorithm classifi militari contract similar govern equival militari for thi proprietari design that fed that nsa develop patent that patent publicli bet that that classifi algorithm made public revers engin compromis not goal justic read chip user cypto data reduc profit for select chip maker wouldn that bad danni bedlam dfl panix cmcl panix dfl danni lieberman box church station yawk yawk usa
sci.crypt	wiretap chip clone and secur kei exchang uicvm uic edu write cryptograph algorythm secret privat individu make clipperclon transmit messag fed not readi access not necessarili think thi and thi chip scheme provid real secur sort kei exchang public kei encrypt scheme kei exchang scheme diffi hellman band transmiss share session kei protect that band eavesdrop phone compani onlin central author gener session kei and send user point troubl complic kei depositori phone compani for copi session kei for each call not practic for each user onlin copi public kei us anywher will get kei verifi thi digit sign chip manufactur copi public kei thi unit store thi unit onlin directori access public kei thi introduc anoth weak secur scheme you don us your design kei you can verifi connect standard chip modifi chip you us origin public privat kei pair kei pair and verif scheme thi not you call peopl and establish secur commun john kelsei hope start thi releas
sci.crypt	detect us illeg cipher articl nmb cof new claremont edu ebrandt jarthur claremont edu eli brandt write copi your kei crimin us encrypt will cover clipper avoid thi will prohibit strong encrypt thi isn true todai crimin regularli us sort unsaf method cordless phone cellular phone plain copper wire analog phone that you can put allig clip plan and execut crime amaz stupid fbi keen digit telphoni law and successor clipper chip hope that crook will remain stupid feel safe clipper chip phone and caught brad templeton clarinet commun corp sunnyval
sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow articl apr magnu ac ohio state edu jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jame ebright write articl brad clarinet brad templeton write greatest danger escrow databas disk chanc that complet copi leak you hard backup consequ backup data not warrant come wors consequ secret backup data isn warrant come you effect secur crypto secret backup you effect crypto thi poster essentiali argu crypto secur crypto poster brain wrong gear you can infer sentenc meant consequ backup consequ easi copi databas brad templeton clarinet commun corp sunnyval
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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic detail articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write noth come hellman each user will choos kei that kei call session kei hellman alic and bob commun clipper chip alic choos kei and bob choos kei thi incompat suggest that alic and bob talk us common chosen classic public kei approach protocol kei manag descript publish incomplet incorrect leav idea system work hope cpsr foia request succe that full detail dan
sci.crypt	fight clipper initi prz sage cgd ucar edu philip zimmermann write philip your idea and construct for articul thi forum work press talk your local newspap scienc and technolog report write your favorit trade rag write articl for your favorit magazin newspap explain clipper chip initi bad idea rememb tailor your audienc gener public slow grasp bad idea sinc technic and arcan and innoc sound not come across flame libertarian paranoid extremist even you flame libertarian paranoid extremist loss for specif object that don sound frighteningli technic suggest perhap post list mobil opposit industri compani that will develop product that will incorpor clipper chip lobbi and you work for telecommun equip vendor enlist aid your cowork and fellow engin thi initi and present your compani manag unit front engin talent thi initi write persuas memo your manag your name and your colleagu name hold meet thi suggest that compani implement scheme not limit govt scheme find that reason for opposit clipper scheme algoritm insecur and mistrust govt nsa hard sell letter editor and nontechn peopl hint advic small faq type thing hate clipper good idea jame holthau jame holthau uiowa edu govern associ men violenc rest leo tolstoi pgp public kei request kei server
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sci.crypt	corpor accept wiretap chip nsa design algorithm secur like secur idea kei de system isn resist practic cryptanalysi puzzl palac bamford describ nsa employe turn foreign kgb agent despit secur measur that doubt big account firm match and nsa confidenti data not subject request thousand polic organ and court across land don mention ronald william pelton heh heh heh embarrass nsa kgb
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sci.crypt	white hous public encrypt manag fact sheet articl qnav transfer stratu cme ellisun stratu carl ellison write articl lgaz dove nist gov clipper csrc ncsl nist gov clipper chip announc write attornei gener util fund depart justic asset forfeitur super surplu fund effect thi purchas talk ad insult injuri for that us civil forfeitur abolish decent administr not continu that ill gain will us pai for wiretap equip wholeheartedli agre know that law enforc agenc seiz properti amend constitut tell that absolv ourselv respons for govern govern back serv politician creat law and rule posit govern allow power peopl thi nation that situat chang allow law enforc agenc us seiz properti pai drug inform lie and continu deal drug tantamount make pact devil viciou cycl law enforc agenc motiv seiz properti fund activ and easi for citizen regain properti intact onc even incent for agenc properti interest note that two month ago rush limbaugh that clinton plumber forc shortli clinton and henchmen firmli strong ubiquit govern control anytim leader believ that leader will us mean retain that control and govern back will end live equival high tech world dictatorship respons for ourselv person welfar and action paul olson vax system manag resid amiga addict voic decnet charon paul internet paul charon gsfc nasa gov disclaim statement messag whole amiga ignor renew resourc rourk
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good geoff ficu ucla edu geoffrei kuen write bullshit bush administr and career gestapo respons for thi horror and careerist present presid fait accompli that doesn excus clinton and gore critic for stupid for lai bodi proper door start final stage denial can imagin result clinton administr had support thi plan acquiesc repugn don chip origin clinton administr clinton administr embrac and brought fruition major parti excel reason for limit your freedom and violat your privaci and even feel that you favor thi surpris mean willfulli ignor quit bit previou evid polit parti not call anarchist parti that consid your freedom and privaci goal worthi and you vote for big two you support reduct right goal and histori whether you person support that reduct paint clinton and gore unwit tool stretch thing you kill man cost noth polit churchil
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good geoff ficu ucla edu geoffrei kuen write amaz quick peopl blame administr current for thing couldn possibl initi thi chip had year develop claim that clinton administr sneak kid recent post alt privaci clipper and hope interest thi topic end state that clipper develop for year that clinton put name thi monstros even allow door for that matter heard and hope you time voic your extrem displeasur tim russel omaha trussel unomaha edu
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sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow begin pgp sign messag articl pmetzger apr snark shearson pmetzger snark shearson perri metzger write articl qnupd jpm new intercon amanda intercon amanda walker write amanda intercon amanda walker jhess netcom john hess write great wonder new can listen fed hei statu quo worri fed tap phone high school scanner surfer kick eavesdrop cellular and cordless phone call polit dissid scare shitless fed listen call opinion sort that disappear slightli free societi and sort societi will ten year friend had phone tap thi theoret for statu quo you can cryptophon compani cylink todai and work addit number group work build softwar turn into privaci enhanc phone and work overdr mode and crypto restrict lift thi incremement improv for applic crypto restrict you can us you want point maintain that point you miss cover cellphon scrambl system discuss incident respond question that issu and appear that and approv countri will secur encrypt and dodgi countri will exist mobil equip will drop clear mode us system newer equip will us clear depend capabl base station cop fed not hold your privat kei listen cellular convers encrypt not end end cellphon base station thi that cellular user and fix instal can talk each for cellular cellular call transmiss decrypt base station pass anoth base station and encrypt cop fed can listen unscrambl call provid warrant tap into cellular provid equip reason for want crackabl system can listen obtain warrant clipper system secur and warrant kei escrow can listen scanner don thi rout doubt even true onc kei will never warrant tap into that phone whenev want judg appear wasn drug dealer natur stop listen you reason scare shitless record mccarthi hoover edgar not cleaner excel suck and nixon paul
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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic summari document summar clipper chip us program chip coupl kei gener and escrow process and law enforc decrypt commun sinc specul thi new group involv thi project add that not involv found fbi brief thursdai even april sinc spent consider time talk nsa and fbi learn thi and attend nist brief depart commerc april document below result that effort dorothi den clipper chip technic summari dorothi den april introduct april presid announc initi that will bring togeth feder govern and industri voluntari program provid secur commun meet legitim law enforc heart plan tamper proof encrypt chip call clipper chip togeth split kei approach escrow kei two escrow agenc us and kei part need reconstruct kei chip structur clipper chip contain classifi bit block encrypt algorithm call skipjack algorithm bit kei compar for de and round scrambl compar for de support de mode oper throughput mbit second each chip includ compon skipjack encrypt algorithm bit famili kei that common chip bit serial number bit secret kei that unlock messag encrypt chip encrypt chip chip us imagin that embed telephon secur devic will suppos call and such devic push button start secur convers secur devic will negoti session kei devic end gener method kei exchang can us kei and messag stream digit voic fed into clipper chip produc two valu encrypt messag stream and law enforc block law enforc block contain session kei encrypt unit kei concaten serial number encrypt famili kei chip program and escrow clipper chip program insid scif secur comput inform facil essenti vault scif contain laptop comput and equip program chip chip program singl session scif locat mikotronx begin session trust agent each two kei escrow agenc enter vault agent enter bit into laptop and agent enter bit valu serv seed gener kei for sequenc serial number gener unit kei for serial number bit pad fix bit block produc bit block and us kei tripl encrypt produc bit block similarli pad two bit block produc and and two addit bit block and comput and concaten togeth give bit bit assign and second bit rest discard unit kei xor and and kei part that separ escrow two escrow agenc sequenc valu for and gener written separ floppi disk disk contain file for each serial number that contain kei part second disk similar contain valu disk contain unit kei agent take disk and agent take second disk disk us program chip chip program inform discard vault and agent leav laptop destroi for addit assur that inform left protocol chang slightli that peopl room two two provid seed and and second two escrow agent disk back escrow agenc escrow agenc determin will not nsa cia fbi law enforc agenc independ govern law enforc us law enforc author tap encrypt line will warrant servic provid order access commun line assum that tap place and that determin that line encrypt clipper will decrypt law enforc block famili kei thi will warrant identifi chip serial number each kei escrow agent and back and and xore togeth produc unit kei and decrypt session kei final messag stream decrypt thi will accomplish special black box decod oper fbi acknowledg and distribut notic inform base inform provid nsa nist and fbi permiss distribut thi document grant
sci.crypt	clipper and rant libertarian that you reduc defens clipper base encrypt technolog defend freedom express free speech that you express you want form your heart desir long you not imping right encrypt text sound video anoth form express that text sound video digit sound anoth mean express sound stream continu waveform shouldn govern encrypt standard can decid independ standard orgain apolog for acronym can note thi work iso and metric system sae etc independ entiti consortia peopl industri that area qualifi set standard govern agenc for exampl ascii charact set look decid govern hope thi help folk formul defens work mine and hope fax congressmen hagberg hagberg ccit arizona edu finger for info and pgp public kei
sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method clipper good cover us anoth layer encrypt you send encrypt messag oppon can that you encrypt encrypt method you that inform clear clipper oppon will that you send clipper text won that your clipper text encod oppon your clipper kei will that your messag doubl encrypt kind safeti deposit box contain lock box don replac for clipper front end carl carl kadi not repres eff thi kadi eff org kadi uiuc edu
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sci.crypt	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt rlward afterlif ncsc mil robert ward write articl bontchev fbihh bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg write and sinc constitut guarante american bear arm not american entitl matter you read applic part constitut and interpret context not post thi misinterpret refer peopl organ militia not for individu carri handgun grenad and assault rifl suprem court disagre you state that peopl term art refer individu and explicitli mention second amend exampl quot peopl term art emploi select part constitut preambl declar that constitut ordain and establish peopl second amend protect peopl and bear arm suprem court uerdugo uriquidez miller decis permit prosecut for possess saw shotgun defens had not present testimoni and accept argument govern that such weapon militari held that amend protect individu possess militari weapon second amend case successfulli court fifti year that not chang interpret appear that disagre you vi conclus inescap that histori concept and word second amend constitut unit state interpret major comment and court half centuri ratifi cation that protect individu privat citizen and carri firearm peac manner report subcommitte constitut committe judiciari unit state senat congress second session februari you rightfulli that bit militia mean militia histor context basic mean adult male countri code defin militia arm men ag militia compris male physic capabl act concert for common defens and men expect bear arm suppli and kind common us time suprem court unit state miller reason for phrase explain rational amend thi depend peopl bear arm defens countri central militari power occur permit tyranni short govern remain perpetu fear peopl free man debar us arm strongest reason for peopl retain and bear arm last resort protect tyranni govern thoma jefferson propos virginia constitut june thoma jefferson paper boyd and countri can preserv liberti ruler not warn time time that thi peopl preserv spirit resist arm tree liberti refresh time time blood patriot and tyrant thoma jefferson letter william smith jefferson democraci padov stand armi can rule peopl disarm almost kingdom europ suprem power america cannot enforc unjust law sword bodi peopl arm and constitut forc superior band regular troop that can pretens rais unit state noah webster examin into lead principl feder constitut pamphlet constitut unit state ford you disagre second amend and that repeal not pretend that isn and that doesn mean you argu that condit chang and that longer present you can imagin fill book detail argument thi cryptographi let you insist discuss thi talk polit gun peopl will gladli discuss thi matter you perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
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sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method articl apr eff org kadi eff org carl kadi write clipper good cover us anoth layer encrypt true will tradit encrypt scheme encrypt clipper vulner attack such partial plaintext thoma
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl agora rain jhart agora rain jim hart write sinc wiretap chip distribut internation allow govern spy foreign govern compani and peopl wiretap domest citizen thi world wide issu put distribut world distrubut line you distribut keyword case sensit you want distribut world distribut line world capit letter wrong apb alan barrett dept electron eng univ natal durban south africa rfc barrett und
sci.crypt	escrow databas perri metzger pmetzger snark shearson wrote disturb thought good stuff elid don pretend that unauthor will hand escrow databas secret escrow databas aren sort secret that teacher told sort big secret lump into thi categori imagin replac million clipper chip sound great gimmick for replac market issu clipper alert announc that kei backup tape miss that drug lord owner clipperphon trot local kei escrow agenc and bui chip and program microtoxin clipper supplier will make kill thi real idea janet reno stock microtoxin vlsi technolog good opportun undermin thi disinform float rumor that kei databas stolen chip replac anger peopl undermin confid even and kill sale waco massacr and big brother wiretap chip tactic fair tim timothi crypto anarchi encrypt digit monei tcmai netcom anonym network digit pseudonym knowledg reput inform market apto black market collaps govern higher power public kei pgp and mailsaf
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good strnlghtc netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write note that measur protect tempest surveil classifi thi inaccur can bui tempest equip commerci even mac you can bui tempest approv mac you monei haven had reason thi type price for year tempest rate rais price radio shack model iii bill internet bill celesti bill campbel celesti softwar thebe camco bill east mercer uunet camco bill mercer island speed cost monei fast you want
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sci.crypt	fight clipper initi flame libertarian paranoid extremist loss for specif object that don sound frighteningli technic idea that foist crippl chip standard manufactur result sayonara anoth high tech market isn technic isn difficult understand and plai concern lot peopl worri you expand thi simpl you choic american manufactur peddl crippl chip secret untest algorithm kei held peopl histori untrustworthi behavoir japanes pick obviou exampl manufactur peddl encrypt chip algorithm that face public scrutini and kei control user you choos american govern can deni thi choic american citizen and not that gloriou success war drug exampl can global market
sci.crypt	amend and password articl apr bernina ethz caronni nessi ethz germano caronni write question provid public bb servic aren you bound law gurante intelligbl access data user bb polic come suffic authoris guess thi basic condit for such system run bb time ago that switzerland you oblig polic search equip proper court order you legal oblig data intelligbl you run your bb data encrypt such that polic show cannot read that problem legal restrict domest us cryptographi unit state perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	facin fact bit serial number possibl fix and den guvax acc georgetown edu vidkun abraham lauritz quisl write each chip includ compon skipjack encrypt algorithm bit famili kei that common chip bit serial number bit secret kei that unlock messag encrypt chip hmmm thirti bit serial number and told unit kei deriv determinist thi serial number that mean that billion unit kei gener unit kei for serial number bit pad fix bit block produc bit block and us kei tripl encrypt produc bit block similarli pad two bit block produc and and two addit bit block and comput and concaten togeth give bit bit assign and second bit rest discard unit kei xor and and kei part that separ escrow two escrow agenc hmmm assum that gener unit kei serial number gener randomli select and intent assur fail safe for govern completedli determin and and not chang constitut effect master kei theft possess author complet obviat secur system interestingli for fact that and fix matter keyspac for not pick and random thi interest restrict kei space not provid addit back door find disturb that secur depend approxim byte worth inform that written back napkin even and chang period rational thi restrict size keyspac strang assum that goal secur and make perfect sens goal illus secur and not chang even remain secret can back deriv unit kei serial number pair assur that thi cannot happen understand skipjack work govern offici and foreign intellig servic that gain inform espionag will eventu inform revers engin get and advanc year time late sequenc valu for and gener written separ floppi disk disk contain file for each serial number that contain kei part second disk similar contain valu disk contain unit kei agent take disk and agent take second disk disk us program chip chip program inform discard vault and agent leav laptop destroi for addit assur that inform left thi make feel bit secur silli notion destroi laptop appear anoth bizarr distract that you can read data dram that turn for moment hand don gener unit kei and place weaken system don agent question resist million cash piec for inform worth hundr million you can make bribe arbitrarili hard resist and you truth thi vault joe random tempest shield room laptop comput melodrama design make high school dropout peoria impress for rest protocol chang slightli that peopl room two two provid seed and and second two escrow agent disk back escrow agenc thi provid let escrow agenc aclu and nra and agent person back disk and honest care nsa laugh loud algorithm regener and like don steal kei effect perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl apr jarvi csri toronto edu lewi eecg toronto edu david lewi write articl mizzou missouri edu mizzou missouri edu john kelsei write strnlght netcom david sternlight write stuff delet trust confidenti inform encrypt scheme that for crack time hundr de for complaint bit kei cost million dollar build keysearch machin for can bui de keysearch machin shelf for approx not sold that name bui circuit emul machin quickturn contain bunch fpga and program each de search engin let chip run mhz test sec time sec max week week averag can wait that long bui bigger machin can big brother afford such thing time tight budget don folk notic dorothi trust den gave real clue current state art nsa decrypto machin nsa told didn even want holder part kei that doubt trapdoor skipjack will never and doubt nsa promot mass market chip couldn compromis ergo nsa capabl compromis brute forc keysearch engin complex skipjack spec bet thousand chip chug crypto buster even ten thousand complex not such machin will fit into fort mead pgp bit idea kei inform farm for addr phone finger ohio state univers jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jim ebright mail jre osu edu support privaci support encrypt
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sci.crypt	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt notic that clipper chip develop for consider longer month that clinton presid thi not that choos choos bush clinton chang slightest work for time
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sci.crypt	estim wiretap cost benefit articl apr krono arc nasa gov hanson krono arc nasa gov robin hanson write attempt write polici paper examin whether propos wiretap clipper chip cost effect tool for polic investig that ignor concern govern intrus into individu privaci easi wiretap investig greater cost commun industri and custom support thi wiretap technolog rough estim suggest that wiretap worth million dollar per year law enforc agenc wiretap led arrest total polic expenditur billion led million arrest ref statist abstract work estim thi wiretap benefit accur hardwar expert estim cost propos wiretap technolog send quotabl citeabl estim for chip made per year phone wiretap chip cost make each chip cost develop thi technolog place support hardwar peopl etc cost per chip percentag cheaper encrypt chip and support privat enterpris compet meet custom encrypt percentag phone traffic propos law enforc block total cost handl phone traffic per year put anoth question ask each polic agenc that want wiretap had pai for charg share full social cost forc commun wiretap compat choos bui such wiretap find cost effect investig crime wai robin hanson hanson ptolemi arc nasa gov nasa am research center moffett field male terrac fremont fuck nasa wast tax dollar polici paper stuff purvew mission second thi isn problem econom thi problem increment accumul polic state power govern exactli you put price loss freedom societi us dollar life lost calcul for extra peopl kill gov pain and suffer case for tortur dollar life lost caus inevit collaps economi and secondari effect diseas diet etc inevit collaps economi gov control becom corrupt etc favor resign thi paper for nasa work for societi lew lew glenden rlglend netcom perspect worth point niel bohr that
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sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method articl eachu apr spectr mitr org eachu spectr mitr org robert eachu write you make custom equip case not roll your clipper implement and report wrong kei escrow agenc tell chip busi thi thing nsa and hide nsa thi won work checksum kei you don will regist clipper chip and substitut counterfeit serial number contain checksum chanc govern thought thi and won permit access intern make fake clipper chip chanc that govern classifi detail intern high level and manufactur requir observ secur safeguard and clearanc that level not perfect prevent joe hacker roll spoof chip sinc not counterfeit can surviv background investig notori style dissid for exampl head high tall grass that chanc get clearanc not imposs that thi extrem difficult chanc will heavi crimin penalti for phoni clipper chip nation secur classifi info ground make game not worth candl david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl warlord apr deathtongu mit edu warlord mit edu derek atkin write point not specif instanc wiretap chip govern tell you that want copi your hous kei safe deposit box kei etc and tell you that wont us total neccessari wouldn want that encrypt govrnment tell you that you want us product manufactur trust pair escrow agenc kei thi situat car maker kei car can quickli vin number and doubt that present court order surrend copi govern chanc that locksmith code number for hous lock instal and emerg can cut kei provid such kei govern pursuant court order state difficulti gain access your safe deposit box court order bad analog thi not argu for propos distinct requir think hous kei safe deposit kei etc david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi articl apr silverton berkelei edu djb silverton berkelei edu bernstein write want organ will combat such statement encrypt not threaten public safeti ski mask american entitl us strong encrypt ensur privaci and not crippl kei escrow system guess for leagu for cryptograph freedom nation cryptographi associ excel idea extent eff serv thi purpos organ exist don full scope activ eff lobbi for strong cryptographi distinct organ eff associ effort prevent ban sex and pictur newsgroup univers horror stori content group exploit pictur possibl underag model surfac press white hous bulletin rais specter drug deal and terror step remov crypto wield child molest argument eff lobbi effort for cryptographi easili derail connect child pornographi and similarli lpf connect stallman and gnu project light gnu manifesto thi mean that public debat stand label communist anarchist hacker radic etc don cpsr offshoot physician for social respons for helen caldicott and hyster antinuclear lobbi carri unwelcom polit baggag perhap for practic reason lobbi organ for cryptographi form umbrella eff exist group charter distinct independ and limit advocaci for cryptographi reiter dan bernstein question suitabl organ exist not you mention danger unwelcom polit associ remiss not suggest opposit direct gather support nra emphas rkba side issu amend side tal kubo math harvard edu
sci.crypt	clipper for cheap secur gtoal gtoal graham toal write imposs approv attach crypto devic phone network that plug phone socket approv for reason crypto devic never what differ bi modem and bi modem not silli point that modem that approv for data transmiss will work fine transmit scrambl vocod voic perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	hard drive secur for fbi target articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write not lawyer correct wrong that consid obstruct justic land you prison for quit thing that great secret kei idea encrypt even fbi kei sol magic word forc you give your pass phrase oop forgot sinc burden proof prosecut thi countri you your mouth shut can prove that you didn forget your pass phrase doug obstruct justic blah blah blah forgot lie bad moral point view you law good and admittedli peopl not even thi provid govern prosecut you crimin you can plead amendm and legal avoid reveal your kei govern cannot demand inform crimin defend tend incrimin that defend thi never appli cryptographi context can obviou applic thi common suggest thi group not love hear peopl sinc don read thi group and sinc subject matter legal cryptoid misc legal comput place steve steve kramarski univers chicago law school steve faeri chi smk quad uchicago edu kiss girl jake night hang
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl ninnebn dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write articl hxv demon graham toal gtoal gtoal write complet baffl dorothi den chosen throw academ respect thi remark for time interest member academia and remark noth elev respect ey remain whether you radic fring gener error assum that your belief held major even sizabl minor you ten nai dozen peopl usenet agre you peopl usenet special bunch live net futur cultur usenett rapid electron access inform societi gener depend cnn can hope can make thi inform access public radic fring major destroi fabric thi countri freedom never easili won thoma
sci.crypt	keep your mouth shut hard drive secur articl apr qualcomm karn servo qualcomm phil karn write theori anoth case woman held contempt for refus reveal locat child even take thi case woman suspect murder kid take wasn surpris guilti that not good system you not suppos forc suspect confess crime matter strongli you guilti you develop your evid independ catch crook cost turn clock back middl ag confess routin tortur suspect guilti and innoc read thread post add phil infom discuss caveat amend appli crinial case person compel crimin case wit father su for custodi children case civil and defend mother not amend protect oddli refus give inform civil case can lead crimin contempt charg land jail interest part thi that murder trial woman can plead locat child thi routin comput crime prosecut fertil ground for thi kind defens suit parti injur hacker not accus for exampl send encrypt kiddi porn net protect kei accus send copyright materi proababl will not copyright infring not crime technic sens tricki question naughti boi that can govern us inform gain civil trial kei gain access file for us crimin prosecut answer lord thi work steve steve kramarski univers chicago law school steve faeri chi smk quad uchicago edu kiss girl jake night hang
sci.crypt	don fight clipper chip subvert replac marc thibault marc tanda isi org write jester write proof window viru widespread eat your disk space slow your comput take control your comput perform disk access random time displai silli messag your screen randomli crash comput vesselin thi sound version unix solari live switch suno solari heartili agre thi obcrypt main gripe solari braindead mailx almost mail you hope crash horribl you us pgp capabl sendmail replac jason stood van yell excus sir ain noth wrong thi countri that plastic explos won cure steve taylor blew clinic real good steiner jupit cse utoledo edu
sci.crypt	amend and password articl apr sugra ken sugra kenneth write articl apr linu mitr org ptrei bistromath mitr org peter trei write judg grant you immun learn kei you keyphras confess deliber evad copyright file encod thi keyphras contain illeg scan copyright peanut strip can us murder copyright violat thing straight appli crimin case copyright infring not civil steve wast bandwidth quibbl don want confus bunch kiddi porn gif make test case bunch peanut strip and that crimin posess and distribut steve kramarski univers chicago law school steve faeri chi smk quad uchicago edu kiss girl jake night hang
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi kubo zariski harvard edu tal kubo write eff associ effort prevent ban sex and pictur newsgroup univers justic william brennan thurgood marshal john paul steven and byron white associ plural suprem court decis that prevent remov anti american anti christian anti semit and plain filthi book public high school librari board educ pico thi mean that longer defend free express and privaci carl carl kadi not repres organ thi kadi uiuc edu
sci.crypt	estim wiretap cost benefit rlglend netcom robert lewi glenden write articl apr krono arc nasa gov hanson krono arc nasa gov robin hanson write attempt write polici paper examin whether propos wiretap clipper chip cost effect tool for polic investig that ignor concern govern intrus into individu privaci easi wiretap investig greater cost commun industri and custom support thi wiretap technolog fuck nasa wast tax dollar polici paper stuff purvew mission favor resign thi paper for nasa work for societi whew easi gui thi spare time thi wiretap cost thi can add opposit clipper don fulli thi shouldn start flame drop hat jame holthau jame holthau uiowa edu govern associ men violenc rest leo tolstoi pgp public kei request kei server
sci.crypt	text white hous announc and clipper chip encrypt mathew mathew manti write bena dec monash edu ben avel write don forget you countri that wouldn russian bui appl secur concern that noth wouldn british bui inmo transput system secur concern and design damn thing funni had plenti bulgaria embargo for export control regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
sci.crypt	cryptolog world statu cruptolog for privat citizen world list countri and polici citizen encrypt electron data curiou european handl thi for instanc jame holthau jame holthau uiowa edu govern associ men violenc rest leo tolstoi pgp public kei request kei server
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi articl tbpd uiuc edu kadi uiuc edu carl kadi write eff associ effort prevent ban sex and pictur newsgroup univers justic william brennan thurgood marshal john paul steven and byron white associ mean that eff public stanc complic issu irrelev encrypt issu per peopl care encrypt issu don care associ network erotica issu even disagre eff posit end pallet baggag drag frequent problem perman organ eff except tarl
sci.crypt	for do crypto program reader sci crypt obtain copi public domain program that can encrypt file prefer de that run do obtain program will password protect floppi disk thi david maddison melbourn australia
sci.crypt	list larg integ arithmet packag mark riordan write list larg integ arithmet packag elid thought note that lenstra packag larg integ packag public domain altern straightforward implement knuth algorithm found part uof arizona icon distribut dilig make electr si yorku run slowli tom duff
sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip smb research att steven bellovin write thousand ten thousand arithmet skipjack kei assum brute forc engin that hypothes for de microsecond per trial million chip that trial per second year for trial can chip run trial per nanosecond and build machin million chip year for each solut last argu steve shouldn that read year for solut mean can imagin machin that trial nanosecond can imagin storag medium that index and archiv shadwel hate southern and infer stand north pole good omen neil gaiman and terri pratchett
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm shirriff sprite berkelei edu ken shirriff write sinc archiv such power tool and easi wouldn happen not magtap you idea traffic flow phone system singl dai amanda walker intercon system corpor
sci.crypt	clipper will corrupt cop propos polic point view articl fbihh bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg vesselin bontchev write strnlght netcom david sternlight write dwight tuinstra post interest messag comment effect clipper chip state and local polic read line good thing for civil liberti respect sinc will prevent cowboi cop and cowboi state and local aganc read your traffic tap illeg read line bit that difficult you hint propos impos addit burocrat burden local polic badli want tape magic cooki recipi that your mom tell you phone guess will propos that technolog remov implement facilit you won want wait approv two agenc decrypt convers two child molest meanwhil two child molest conspir molest your child for access kei quickli copi databas and worri warrant perhap clearer and concis post that post central point made that local state polic agenc attempt plai rule and warrant legit escrow kei etc find merci bureaucrat inertia and agenc infight feder level disagre that thi assist civil liberti hobbl cowboi cop strong incent vesselin point for polic agenc rogu and kei effici constitut mean notic releas suppos law enforc agenc conduct wiretap drug smuggl ring and intercept convers encrypt devic deciph messag obtain legal author court order wiretap place clear implic that legal author court order leaki and page that author nsa aris black market sort polic agenc kei trade polic will excel posit carri thi kind thing caught commun infrastructur secur portion law that that limit citizen right access polic commun us inform difficult prove polic misus fact that you such evid evid that you broken law throw privat detect even fewer polici constitut restrict mercenari retir intellig agenc william gibson love great stori materi don happen michigan state polic gener profession organ for year red file thousand suspect commi know full not consititut standard evid peopl file happen park place china peopl friendship ralli happen polic write licens plate number you happen visit friend live meet place state polic wound file you subvers eventu found and court rule carri such nonsens thai had destroi tape even mean cop and will strong pressur bend constitut safeguard don assum corrupt unbalanc offic will interest enforc sensibl law save live and protect properti compromis will made mean offic face will moral dilemma clipper will make crimin cop want thi polic forc dwight tuinstra tuinstra sandman ec clarkson edu toler tuinstrd craft camp clarkson edu homo sapien planetari cancer new six
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good apr magnu ac ohio state edu jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jame ebright write articl rubin dsg dse beckman arthur rubin write wouldn trust nsa trust presid thi not told not crook presid richard nixon thi presid and easili wrong arthur rubin rubin dsg dse beckman work beckman instrument brea mcimail compuserv arthur pnet ct person opinion and not repres employ
sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method begin pgp sign messag articl strnlghtc netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl apr eff org kadi eff org carl kadi write don replac for clipper front end thi make sens govern prohibit altern escrow encrypt scheme not us front end clipper david david gov that hope thi long run derek pgp kei request kei server pgp public kei toxicwast mit edu derek atkin mit electr engin and comput scienc secretari mit student inform process board sipb mit media laboratori speech research group warlord mit edu asel nwh
sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method strnlght netcom david sternlight write chanc govern thought thi and won permit access intern make fake clipper chip onc chip releas phone vulner phsyical inspect and observ will grant that will doubt safeguard peel chip nsa monopoli clever chip and algorithm will not remain secret for long univers vlsi lab requir equip offshor semiconductor manufactur amanda walker intercon system corpor
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl qsip innnj dn nmsu edu amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write escom donaldson write amolitor nmsu edu andrew molitor write thi appear gener call name anti christ for hell destroi thi remark imagin that execut branch extract kei escrow hous know tell dick bit data hell gonna trot telco and unauthoris decrypt tap huh break waterg and instal tap peopl break neat huh record nois execut branch phone decrypt box huh good wait til washington post get hold thi and decrypt nois like stare kei and hell not worth thi bloodi hassl kei fbi give local polic request simpli put alag clip your phone junction box and conduct illeg tap decrypt recov tape govern break law bill smyth
sci.crypt	secret sourc that announc gradi netcom suggest common restrict distribut privat kei public kei system encrypt post theori that will work fine long priva kei remain secur practic good idea check that violat net rule practic custom etc don that good idea check thi not rot can kei trivial good idea check such post forward site need make chain work problem discuss group travel facil control member problem mail list approach even fun for david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl ele apr menudo menudo edu ele menudo menudo edu karl barru write you trust black box nsa versu open system absolut assur trust that black box secur noth conceal govern that russian japanes french competitor for servic can read traffic that competit bid inform safe commerci competitor and foreign govern aid nsa ident motiv respect activ presid and senior govern offici made clear that share motiv trust coincid interest argument basic trust profession and high confid skill david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	bit keyseach machin articl apr lokkur dexter sc lokkur dexter steve simmon write last argu steve shouldn that read year for solut mean can imagin machin that trial nanosecond can imagin storag medium that index and archiv hmmmm larg keyspac thi you alter strategi discuss for de attempt decrypt block and check disctribut content don feasibl encrypt plaintext block amount tape rom and not such encrypt block cheap convert atom solar system into bit storag devic keysearch thi kind shouldn wors simpler kind term speed that you for encrypt messag dumb question research legitim ascii encod byte block that part english sentenc for attack de ecb mode dictionari thi kind pretti valuabl john kelsei
sci.crypt	fight clipper initi articl nov access digex net steve access digex steve brinich write american manufactur peddl crippl chip secret untest algorithm kei held peopl histori untrustworthi behavoir excus sinc escrow agenc aren chosen can you histori untrustworthi behavoir sic each can agenc such histori price waterhous secret academi award for year even face aggress press feder reserv open market committe successfulli decis leak for statutori period public even depart agricultur successfulli crop forecast leak prematur frankli trust not sinc subject polit pressur sooner aclu eff cpsr not exactli govern apologist track record for intern secur that david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	bit keyseach machin articl mizzou missouri edu mizzou missouri edu john kelsei write articl apr lokkur dexter sc lokkur dexter steve simmon write last argu steve shouldn that read year for solut mean can imagin machin that trial nanosecond can imagin storag medium that index and archiv hmmmm larg keyspac thi you alter strategi discuss for de attempt decrypt block and check disctribut content don feasibl encrypt plaintext block amount tape rom and not such encrypt block cheap convert atom solar system into bit storag devic don claim crypto analyist isn lot good literatur subject and peopl don publish work doubt approach such folk us brute forc impli that previou post histori thing folk find clever wai limit search and bang guess real problem skipjack can not nsa make publicli system couldn break want isn charter rememb de ibm not nsa and publish life year past that point rememb base size nsa budget spend lot technolog decrypt comput compani spend imagin stuff real interest friend onc work for dead enjoi monitor sac strateg air command crypto traffic and suspect that stuff bit complex skipjack militari stuff nsa skipjack btw folk nsa wasn kei and walker spy case show for system kgb didn inform farm for addr phone finger ohio state univers jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jim ebright mail jre osu edu support privaci support encrypt
sci.crypt	clipper for cheap secur articl new intercon amanda intercon amanda walker write thing that clipper offer interoper higher degre secur proprietari voic encrypt system thi mean will cheaper proprietari scheme and easier deploi anarchist nutcas wouldn froth overmuch had govern propos secur encrypt standard fact nsa had come privaci chip wiretap chip happi thi set ansi committe pick secur cryptosystem defin protocol and interfac and hei start build deliber brain dead version cryptosystem that not even peer review nsa own smart peopl pull feal left lot dud phone hand perri exactli social contract exchang for give strong cryptographi can you exactli that heh heh govern gave for rememb announc describ thi scheme balanc two extrem privaci and claim that citizen had constitut encrypt for clinton support privaci pgp kei finger mail void prohibit eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
sci.crypt	clipper chip long follow articl apr curtin edu zrepachol curtin edu paul repacholi write question and answer clinton administr telecommun initi suppos law enforc agenc conduct wiretap drug smuggl ring and intercept convers encrypt devic deciph messag obtain legal author court order wiretap place present document thi author two entiti respons for safeguard kei and obtain kei for devic us drug smuggler kei split into two part store separ order ensur secur kei escrow system apolog for dens thi sentenc read lift lui bunuel screenplai miss earth drug smuggler even us devic tripl encrypt de long altern clipper remain legal clipper accomplish absolut noth law enforc concern scheme absolut total incred wast govern time and monei long encrypt scheme that good remain legal order for clipper work intend strong cryptosystem outlaw jan bielawski computervis san diego jpb calmasd prime
sci.crypt	cryptolog world articl apr new weeg uiowa edu holthau new weeg uiowa edu jame holthau write statu cruptolog for privat citizen world list countri and polici citizen encrypt electron data curiou european handl thi for instanc good question want find and ago communist time such activ send crypto email prevent sooner law law law free us conform law for protect and registr person file you rememb that situat small countri vastli big borut lavrenc mail ij lavrenc stefan institut internet borut lavrenc ij univers ljubljana phone ljubljana slovenia pgp public kei request dolgo smoi kali ovraz nikei njihk ocnoo dkril ivseb ipika
sci.crypt	crypto final call crypto confer announc final call for paper thirteenth annual crypto confer sponsor intern associ for cryptolog research iacr cooper ieee comput societi technic committe secur and privaci comput scienc depart univers california santa barbara and bell northern research subsidiari northern telecom will held campu univers california santa barbara august origin research paper and technic expositori talk solicit practic and theoret aspect cryptolog anticip that talk present special invit program committe instruct for author author request send copi detail abstract not full paper april program chair address below limit page type not count bibliographi titl page submiss submiss arriv time postmark april and airmail order receiv consider program committe requir that submiss start succinct statement problem address solut propos and signific cryptolog for specialist reader technic develop direct specialist follow need abstract that submit confer that proceed not elig 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usa telephon fax internet stinson bibd unl edu for inform contact gener chair paul van oorschot crypto bell northern research mail stop carl av nepean ontario canada telephon fax internet crypto bnr crypto gener inform august program crypto thirteenth seri workshop cryptolog held santa barbara and sponsor intern associ for cryptolog research cooper ieee comput societi technic committe secur and privaci comput scienc depart univers california santa barbara and bell northern research subsidiari northern telecom program for workshop will cover aspect cryptolog extend abstract paper present confer will distribut attende confer and formal proceed will publish date addit regular program paper select invit program committe will rump session tuesdai even for inform present facil will provid for attende demonstr hardwar softwar and item cryptograph interest you demonstr such item you urg contact gener chair that your will attend social program will includ host cocktail parti sundai and mondai 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sci.crypt	clipper consid harm articl optilink brad optilink brad yearwood write clipper come cellular phone legal proscript cipher system phone and potenti danger class crime creat possess terrorist tool unapprov encrypt devic program crimin badli want inscrut tactic commun specif terrorist and drug dealer propon kei escrow cite threat will highli motiv steal cipher phone legitim user and kill thi person hold hostag discoveri compromis devic will delai onc suitabl collect devic stolen crimin can commun impun assum cipher system carri trapdoor apart kei escrow and compromis discov mean life cheap crimin will kill peopl steal larg and conspicu properti luxuri car reason assum that will will kill peopl steal small and inconspicu properti cipher cellular phone past blue box technolog and present modifi cellular phone can expect high stake crimin lucr market for stolen cipher phone can us for dai high stake crimin will pai life cheap type substanti amount for stolen instrument person typic discov miss dead dai stolen instrument will usabl for dai will continu demand for fresh phone fresh bodi and sinc clinton full bore deni unconnect citizen mean defend will protect you good for you pervert trash second amend target individu will guarante easi prei bodi compar greater good fed defeat citizen secur impun you don doesn exist mean nsa can usual eavesdrop scan for keyword court order kei you great florida real estat you interest perhap idea escrow kei meant divert discuss will safeguard and basic fact that govern systemat take privaci secur for mean defens and spell bill right nawwww govern trust word clipper and similar system potenti turn current inconveni law enforc into direct viciou and persist threat gener public import govern law enforc peopl control safeti gener public gun control issu answer that good that work make citi safer place that worst that regard place gun control govern not public good control never forget that found father concern remaind delet pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
sci.crypt	list larg integ arithmet packag mrr scss msu edu mark riordan write not comprehens list delet comprehens list sci math symbol detail descript packag you mark updat your list system thi list develop and distribut softwar for symbol math applic inform suppli system longer support saint formac alpak altran mathlab sin sac camal scratchpad mumath sheep trigman analitik smp ccalc for detail info system below into directori pub symbol math anonym ftp math berkelei edu recommend made for you want price contact compani program list aprox revers order number machin run each class gener purpos system you inform add thi list miss mupad felix send math berkelei edu paulo nei souza depart mathemat univers california berkelei desouza math berkelei edu gener purpos mapl type commerci machin impress list machin for program workstat dec ibm mip sun sgi apollo mac amiga atari gould convex ncr pyramid sequent unisi and crai contact mapl daisi waterloo edu waterloo mapl softwar columbia street 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sci.crypt	clipper chip technic summari articl apr guvax acc georgetown edu den guvax acc georgetown edu write prof den descript skipjack omit chip structur clipper chip contain classifi bit block encrypt algorithm call skipjack algorithm bit kei compar for de and round scrambl compar for de support de mode oper throughput mbit second bit famili kei that common chip bit serial number bit secret kei that unlock messag encrypt chip kei and messag stream digit voic fed into clipper chip produc two valu encrypt messag stream and law enforc block question each bit input you bit output bit bit bit bit bit you transmit bit each time you transmit bit wiretap block begin obnoxi for bandwidth limit applic cellular phone even regular phone de mode interact two part output feedback mode appli messag block wiretap block wiretap block transmit begin incorpor into feedback mode not ecb mode clipper chip check wiretap block block present sinc receiv chip doesn transmitt can check valid limit check form wiretap block and check serial number for reason sort back door structur that let recogn valid that case can you replac wiretap block wiretap block valid avoid attract attent chip won you postprocess output regular peopl can serial number and dummi kei paranoid peopl can us serial number hand that solut easili nsa block us messag encrypt that prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl hxv demon graham toal gtoal gtoal write articl rwing pat rwing pat myrto write clinton clipper good not make algrithm public peopl can exchang idea and examin isol respect expert respect for perhap time releas algorithm for come implement ident lack escrow kei note that press announc mention that algorithm secret for secur kei escrow system thi case secur mean escrow kei for clipper chip assum you believ that effect algorithm and escrow system you bui chip firm escrow kei second sourc chip reput firm kei govern escrow power econom incent for second sourc escrow vendor
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good andersom spot colorado edu marc anderson write method thi year crime bill will teeth not bare gum clinton administr will place strict control data format and protocol and requir registr call cryptograph kei hope deni drug dealer abil commun secret clinton approach us for crackdown form underground econom activ such deficit caus tax evad live luxuri expens grandchildren and peopl thought that exagger claim that crippl chip step totalitarian plot civil liberti usa that even optimist thing happen even faster expect that anoth dirti trick us appli communist regim secret peopl fact noth can and explain situat previou messag wrote that american wake and fight propos that late happen civil liberti violat stollen american peopl part thi peopl sleep happili sad regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method strnlght netcom david sternlight write notori style dissid for exampl head high tall grass that chanc get clearanc peopl usa reason not surpris that current plot allow happen regard vesselin vesselin vladimirov bontchev viru test center univers hamburg tel fax fachbereich informatik agn pgp public kei request vogt koelln strass mail bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg hamburg germani
sci.crypt	secret sourc that announc guess cryptowrangl read thi group knew that easi not singl doubt mind that byte that pass signific gatewai bone captur for collig data your name start newsgroup for distribut encrypt post intend member affin group share privat kei for exampl come cypherpunk meet privat kei that meet pass moder minut followup comment particip and post alt encrypt group for us peopl attend communiqu intend group for attende sign privat kei otherwis not encrypt start alt encrypt newsgroup maintain mail list for reason easier archiv for peopl join group late and easili read earlier post second traffic analysi exactli affin messag direct foil newsgroup public and serv public privaci measur internet and fun accumul secret keyr full such kei beat give shirt door prize send copi alt encrypt directli judg william session admir studeman save time collect for gradi netcom
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl strnlghtc netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write govrnment tell you that you want us product manufactur trust pair escrow agenc kei thi situat car maker kei car can quickli vin number and doubt that present court order surrend copi govern chanc that locksmith code number for hous lock instal and emerg can cut kei provid such kei govern pursuant court order noth prevent you bui lock cash and instal even modifi core match arbitrari kei not difficult home onc knew had fix lock thi hous offic and car kei good care state difficulti gain access your safe deposit box court order bad analog bad that you had safeti deposit box work two kei system bank clerk and you kei bank not copi your kei you lose drill lock and replac door thi time consum and expens process will happi charg your account thi process exactli analog privat kei not escrow system and state crack your cipher data not us fals analog peter trei ptrei mitr org
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi articl apr husc harvard edu kubo zariski harvard edu tal kubo write mention danger unwelcom polit associ remiss not suggest opposit direct gather support nra emphas rkba side issu amend side tal kubo math harvard edu hmmm thi gave interest idea thi argument second amend and bear arm strong cryptographi arm govern that hard export constituit strong cryptographi like hard harder exercis thi get exercis right that govern slowli restrict nra exist organ perhap long start join electron desk bob langford health scienc comput fax virginia commonwealth univers mail langford gem vcu edu langford vcuvax for bitnet
sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip thousand ten thousand arithmet skipjack kei don bit count that doesn worri not cheat can caught and kei size thing that can verifi extern feed lot random kei input pair into chip happen output devic design us kei that regist fed don you can feed kei user can chang kei possibl main reason for thi propos unaccept disappear
sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip don unit kei gener process you and suppos control escrow agent can trust seed valu secur can trust half kei secur hope don understand thi system can chip manufactur maintain each half kei total control separ escrow agenc don half kei come togeth form time chip construct built fusabl prom chip escrow agenc program kei agenc program kei invent safeguard that prevent agenc read inform program thi isn intend flame curiou manufactur thing maintain kei escrow secur simpli trust manufactur won domain tahorslei csd harri usmail tom horslei uunet hcx tahorslei kingbird circl delrai beach censorship form obscen wait forgot govern tobacco subsidi
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl apr rick dgbt doc jhan debra dgbt doc jerri han write happili sleep peopl thi aren peopl slightli overreact thi sudden draw parallel nazi germani and communist russia point matter that thi problem not end world guess you can communist countri nazi germani complain you complain and shoot shoot real bad aim guess peopl you live countri world person can complain get shot peopl complain that thi wrong that wrong sit and figur two thing wors can and you find that you and pretti damn lucki talk action decid not overreact liberti talk thi doesn make problem doesn make opposit not you can bet wors angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu btw opinion and not that entiti god full star dave don you compani epidem
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi articl jgbinn eli yale edu jgfoot minerva ci yale edu write tarl neustaedt tarl coyoacan stratu wrote mean that eff public stanc complic issu irrelev encrypt issu per peopl care encrypt issu don care associ network erotica issu even disagre eff posit perhap encrypt type defend digit porn post encrypt issu not seper you maintain post encrypt encrypt us person decrypt data and care peopl concern continu eros constitut right amend and note shaun hugh fact stupid thing sphugh sfsuvax sfsu edu ronald reagan republican nation finger for pgp public kei convent
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi shaun hugh sphugh sfsuvax sfsu edu wrote articl jgbinn eli yale edu jgfoot minerva ci yale edu write delet perhap encrypt type defend digit porn post encrypt issu not seper you maintain post encrypt encrypt us person decrypt data and care peopl respond anoth person tarl neustaedt held that eff wasn organ fight for crytographi right sinc eff support distribut pornographi internet crypto peopl object word impli that peopl will protect speech long encrypt
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl apr rick dgbt doc jhan debra dgbt doc jerri han write articl bontchev fbihh happili sleep peopl thi aren peopl slightli overreact thi sudden draw parallel nazi germani and communist russia reason parallel don russia claim communist point matter that thi problem not end world guess you can communist countri nazi germani complain protest your communist countri you haven and socialist dictatorship you can whilst socialist democraci such franc australia you can peopl disagre franc australia socialist you complain and shoot shoot real bad aim guess peopl you live countri world person can complain get shot circumst public meet last night usa protest nice and calm and speaker start bewar opinion forc meet two arm policemen lot thing that cannot usa you not notic australian visitor notic peopl complain that thi wrong that wrong sit and figur two thing wors can and you find that you and pretti damn lucki lucki moment hope that true year time didn happen requir conciou effort talk action decid not overreact don react don react andrew disclaim opinion and not repres societi for conserv momentum group hope don lose student visa result opinion andrew conwai arc leland stanford edu phone usa
sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write rememb that promis committe expert cryptosystem design hope silicon jock committe can follow algorithm hardwar doubt nsa pull monkei busi thi point expect that chip will revers engin sooner obviou opportun introduc addit hole steve bellovin pgp kei finger mail eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi langford gem vcu edu write articl apr husc harvard edu kubo zariski harvard edu tal kubo write mention danger unwelcom polit associ remiss not suggest opposit direct gather support nra emphas rkba side issu amend side hmmm thi gave interest idea thi argument second amend and bear arm strong cryptographi arm govern that hard export constituit strong cryptographi nra exist organ organ idea nra carri undesir baggag for eff and cpsr for hot shot reput organ read thi messag effect group come into exist can count sign georg mitchel georg tessi
sci.crypt	lobbi and articl apr gem vcu edu langford gem vcu edu write like hard harder exercis thi get exercis right that govern slowli restrict nra exist organ perhap long start join nra success number thing drop hat can congressperson offic flood postcard fax and phone call cool internet power organ can act such action long inform event thi bboard can make call action hopefulli strong commun act call realiz thi optomist and glad eff work loop issu don underestim potenti net for polit action adam speak for
sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write articl demon graham toal gtoal gtoal write articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write thousand ten thousand arithmet skipjack kei don bit count that doesn worri not cheat can caught and kei size thing that can verifi extern feed lot random kei input pair into chip flip random kei bit and happen output happen half output bit vari averag bit kei chang input chang build weak cryptosystem case that bit power sens that enter into encrypt late game contrast de design us each kei bit earli output chang rate appear earli round don nsa cheat that crude like caught cryptosytem that start xore bit and and not bit thi xor thi system make earli us bit exhaust kei search kei search your test vari singl kei bit wouldn turn interest rememb that promis committe expert cryptosystem design you assum de bias subkei gener schedul will stick sore thumb algorithm suggest stick sore thumb design system subtl kei redund hidden make exhaust kei search encrypt don your claim that real keysiz can verifi extern andi latto andyl harlequin
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sci.crypt	clipper for cheap secur gtoal gtoal graham toal write can hardwar compress not need run digit speech heard not let bit sampl raw data sampl rate usabl not fanci compress note not cabl freak complet misunderstood you math frequent note for wrong you check calcul assum that mean bit assum start and stopbit and protocol overhead effect number byte per second assum that you not want transmit your speech stereo that you can send sampl sec thi correspond nyquist frequenc low you bit low qualiti sound your convert will not present you signal that cut will alia higher frequenc you can build filter overcom that problem hand speech easili compress for exampl you form power spectra you simpli band pass filter and linear fourier transform won qualiti sound discern power spectrum method good that respect onc program such softwar compressor and compress rate rel error due linear common that music sound not speech fun stephan neuhau informatik uni sig close for inventori leav your pickax pgp public kei request note expir date
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sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl ausinni senat bedfellow mit edu jfc athena mit edu john carr write chip and algorithm classifi you revers engin and peopl you like jail don find thi credibl argument for two reason you suppli below care enter usa time futur taiwanes backyard cloner btw decap custom silicon and reproduc daughterboard pirat high profit arcad machin and wouldn care not care confidenti peopl real care travel countri for busi reason will sit and follow law thi contend that not main threat grave doubt whether algorythm wide distribut silicon possibl call classifi hand militari secret world envelop mark don open can imagin credibl defenc emploi trial stupid govern action perhap foreign govern corpor crack system usa govern stop import clone hardwar softwar implement practic amus thought emploi algorythm infeas for fast softwar implement easi custom hardwar de extens us permut tabl trivial hardwar you swap bu line rel slow softwar had big effect speed differ hardwar and softwar implement that cipher suspect that lucif design awar that and approv algorythm parallel search algorythm can slow softwar can fly custom hardwar proof employ clipper pure conjectur softwar implement thi cipher that design avoid cost inclus such techniqu credibl hmmm intergraph think us name clipper for thi devic ian farquhar phone offic comput servic fax macquari univers nsw australia email ifarqhar laurel oc edu
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good jhan debra dgbt doc jerri han write point matter that thi problem not end world guess you can communist countri nazi germani john edgar hoover usa complain you complain and shoot guess peopl you live countri world person can complain get shot peopl complain that thi wrong that wrong sit and figur two thing wors can and you find that you and pretti damn lucki talk action decid not overreact harm overreact thi largest singl threat civil liberti lifetim pretti heinou thing past and haven recov histor trend liberti occasion perturb time break quot american polit radic lyle transarc grant street gulf tower pittsburgh instanc abridg freedom peopl gradual and silent encroach power violent and sudden usurp jame madison
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl bontchev fbihh bontchev fbihh informatik uni hamburg write andersom spot colorado edu marc anderson write method thi year crime bill will teeth not bare gum clinton administr will place strict control data format and protocol and requir registr call cryptograph kei hope deni drug dealer abil commun secret clinton approach us for crackdown form underground econom activ such deficit caus tax evad live luxuri expens grandchildren and peopl thought that exagger claim that crippl chip step totalitarian plot civil liberti usa that even optimist thing happen even faster expect that anoth dirti trick us appli communist regim secret peopl fact noth can and explain situat previou messag wrote that american wake and fight propos that late happen civil liberti violat stollen american peopl part thi peopl sleep happili sad write congressman and make respect law that violat freedom speech and fed enforc thi law will protect freedom forc come that hopefulli won doug holland doug holland freedom holland colost edu speech will pry pgp kei mail cold dead lip
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sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl apr lokkur dexter sc lokkur dexter steve simmon write smb research att steven bellovin write thousand ten thousand arithmet skipjack kei assum brute forc engin that hypothes for de microsecond per trial million chip that trial per second year for trial can chip run trial per nanosecond and build machin million chip year for each solut last argu steve shouldn that read year for solut mean can imagin machin that trial nanosecond can imagin storag medium that index and archiv compani work for previous receiv file that de encryp and person that had vaction wait two week set straight frontal attack kei time two dai crack file don faith de russel dept oltp section pal group ausvm email arussel austin ibm phone tielin view silli free berkelei
sci.crypt	white hous public encrypt manag fact sheet articl apr charon gsfc nasa gov paul charon gsfc nasa gov paul olson write articl qnav transfer stratu cme ellisun stratu carl ellison write articl lgaz dove nist gov clipper csrc ncsl nist gov clipper chip announc write attornei gener good post describ store for delet interest note that two month ago rush limbaugh that clinton plumber forc shortli clinton and henchmen firmli strong ubiquit govern control anytim leader believ that leader will us mean retain that control and govern back will end live equival high tech world dictatorship respons for ourselv person welfar and action total agre you propos govern back don listen peopl want peopl responsibil for person telnet site clipper chip releas entiti clipper and list anoth person bit command disabl not sound administr that account inform don control peopl secret develop and impliment clipper chip decis back that you can bet unaurhor encrypt method and softwar will consid terrorist tool and subject civil forfeitur system that run you watch wrong govern not cooper peopl take back and resourc unlimit access media for propeganda and almost gun gun clinton agenda succe that not plai ball waco good exampl expect warrant releas state reason for raid bd spent larg sum for weapon undetermin amount time don recal spend lot monei gun etc illeg that clinton histori worst thing happen peopl socalist democrat republ america psdra big brother listen hail big brother and sister ten year late pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
sci.crypt	clipper for cheap secur articl new intercon amanda intercon amanda walker wrote thing that clipper offer interoper higher degre secur proprietari voic encrypt system thi mean will cheaper proprietari scheme and easier cheaper you bet and tax dollar becom subsidi for chip chip don sell stop govern give interest nation secur deploi thi bug featur depend you amanda walker intercon system corpor steven holton network administr rtp fast northern telecom inc repli cmsph bounc sholton aol compuserv opinion express
sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method quot strnlght netcom david sternlight articl strnlghtc netcom articl apr eff org kadi eff org carl kadi write don replac for clipper front end thi make sens govern prohibit altern escrow encrypt scheme not us front end clipper that will make privat encrypt stick sore thumb and govern will start sharp interest you paul crowlei pdc dc trust fold fish for jesu
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl apr coop felixg coop felix gallo write pat rwing pat myrto write clinton clipper good note that bill clinton design implement reason thi chip move made thi chip pawn notic not ask for allow public input and damn not stop rememb you elect presid unit state not case that republican etc nsa and fbi and cia immedi pack bag and replac team fresh young democrat govern appoint hire elect sinc thi clipper devic product for six month foundat elect democrat execut bodi clinton didn come not stop public input impliment decis assert author thing not agre bush administrationk notic presid respons for action execuit branch not slightest bit doubt you hold bush reagan that standard had offic thi thing cast into stone btw suggest that thi attack clinton thi ballist reagardless propos thi thing anoth step gradual eros right constitut bill right last coupl decad stop seri end run protect constitut stop good time isn late allreadi sky hasn fallen chicken for name call that make your posit higli credibl lenin had term for folk your outlook you that faith trustworthi and honesti govern that primarili concern peopl control suspect you will for unpleas surpris thi nip bud can wait for abridg bill right you pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl apr ucla edu geoff ficu ucla edu geoffrei kuen write articl rwing pat rwing pat myrto write fish expedit target knowleg don give safe that that negoti and clinton and quietli develop thi thing figur thi can ram amaz quick peopl blame administr current for thing couldn possibl initi thi chip had year develop claim that clinton administr sneak bullshit bush administr and career gestapo respons for thi horror and careerist present presid fait accompli that doesn excus clinton and gore critic for stupid for lai bodi proper door start you correct clinton not initi cast granit impliment not stop decis state anoth post don give damn administr find total unaccept and impliment ram throat run offic bush not depriv second amend right clinton bust butt that regard that reveal total differ philosophi clinton appear support idea total peopl control eavesdrop whenev feel real secur for common person and abil defend oneself illeg attack sourc trust will protect and control you don find inconveni clinton shown utter contempt for public disclosur and account had plenti time chang polici didn expand bet had bush offic you howl louder pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi quot jgfoot minerva ci yale edu articl jgbinn eli yale edu perhap encrypt type defend digit porn post encrypt issu not seper you maintain fact sinc effect encrypt make censorship imposs almost issu and fall into eff paul crowlei pdc dc trust fold fish for jesu
sci.crypt	revis technic summari clipper chip revis version summari correct error and addit inform and explan clipper chip technic summari dorothi den revis april introduct april presid announc initi that will bring togeth feder govern and industri voluntari program provid secur commun meet legitim law enforc heart plan tamper proof encrypt chip call clipper chip togeth split kei approach escrow kei two escrow agenc us and kei part need reconstruct kei chip content clipper chip contain classifi singl kei bit block encrypt algorithm call skipjack algorithm bit kei compar for de and round scrambl compar for de support de mode oper algorithm take clock tick and electron codebook ecb mode run mbit per second each chip includ compon skipjack encrypt algorithm bit famili kei that common chip bit serial number thi length subject chang bit secret kei that unlock messag encrypt chip chip program mykotronx inc call myk silicon suppli vlsi technolog inc implement micron technolog and will initi sell for each quantiti price drop technolog shrunk micron encrypt chip chip us imagin that embed telephon secur devic will suppos call and such devic push button start secur convers secur devic will negoti bit session kei devic end thi kei negoti take place clipper chip gener method kei exchang can us such diffi hellman public kei distribut method onc session kei establish clipper chip us encrypt convers messag stream digit voic telephon secur devic feed and into chip produc two valu encrypt messag stream and law enforc field transmit telephon line law enforc field contain session kei encrypt unit kei concaten serial number encrypt famili kei law enforc field decrypt law enforc author wiretap instal ciphertext decrypt receiv devic session kei chip program and escrow clipper chip program insid scif secur compart inform facil essenti vault scif contain laptop comput and equip program chip chip program singl session scif locat mykotronx begin session trust agent each two kei escrow agenc enter vault agent enter secret random bit into laptop and agent enter secret random bit random valu serv seed gener unit kei for sequenc serial number unit kei function secret random bit each agent gener unit kei for serial number bit pad fix bit block produc bit block and us kei tripl encrypt produc bit block similarli pad two bit block produc and and two addit bit block and comput and concaten togeth give bit bit assign and second bit rest discard unit kei xor and and kei part that separ escrow two escrow agenc sequenc valu for and gener written separ floppi disk disk contain file for each serial number that contain kei part second disk similar contain valu disk contain unit kei agent take disk and agent take second disk each agent walk know bit seed and bit kei part agent not bit us gener kei bit kei part disk us program chip chip program inform discard vault and agent leav laptop destroi for addit assur that inform left protocol chang slightli that peopl room two two provid seed and and second two escrow agent disk back escrow agenc escrow agenc determin will not nsa cia fbi law enforc agenc independ govern law enforc us law enforc author tap encrypt line will warrant servic provid order access commun line assum that tap place and that determin that line encrypt clipper chip law enforc field decrypt famili kei give document certifi that tap author for parti associ serial number secur fax each kei escrow agent return secur fax and and xore togeth produc unit kei and decrypt session kei final messag stream decrypt thi will accomplish special black box decod capston gener successor clipper chip call capston govern and myk mykotronx develop will includ skipjack algorithm digit signatur standard dss secur hash algorithm sha method kei exchang fast exponenti and random prototoyp will for test april and chip expect readi for deliveri june juli acknowledg and distribut notic thi articl base inform provid nsa nist fbi and mykotronx permiss distribut thi document grant
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sci.crypt	estim wiretap cost benefit articl apr krono arc nasa gov hanson krono arc nasa gov robin hanson write rough estim suggest that wiretap worth million dollar per year law enforc agenc wiretap led arrest total polic expenditur billion led million arrest ref statist abstract work estim thi wiretap benefit accur you assum that arrest equal and that us wiretap spread uniformli thi compar tini number wiretap and associ difficulti and cost involv judg technician etc expect that law enforc reserv us wiretap for valuabl case sinc arrest can vari enorm rang jaywalk mass murder your million estim low coupl order magnitud
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sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method articl apr eff org kadi eff org carl kadi write clipper good cover us anoth layer encrypt provid overview propos system chip att spec sheet skipjack sound normal digit encrypt algorithm data path will voic digit compress encrypt compress will fit data wire want wait for isdn that lucki feed pre encrypt data into compressor will chuckl you you tap into gut phone and hack compress data stream select part output stream hit modem you want pai for two fast modem top encrypt and plug box your phone and wall carl pgp kei finger mail eli ebrandt jarthur claremont edu
sci.crypt	secret sourc that announc slab mtholyok edu jbotz mtholyok edu jurgen botz write even interest smtp server csrc ncsl nist gov longer recogn expn and vrfy command telnet csrc ncsl nist gov smtp connect csrc ncsl nist gov escap charact org sendmail nist readi tue apr edt expn clipper command unrecogn sombodi didn your snoop marc good thing thi csspub mail list csspab mail ncsl nist gov and address clipper mail list basic member nist secur board addit name post true name follow burrow ecf jame burrow director nist nation comput system laboratori mcnulti ecf lynn mcnulti associ director for comput secur nation institut standard and technolog comput system laboratori gangemi dockmast ncsc mil gaetano gangemi director secur system program wang laboratori inc wrote comput secur basic deborah russel and gangemi reilli and associ slambert cgin cto citicorp sandra lambert vice presid inform secur citibank lipner mitr org lipner mitr corp director inform system gallagh dockmast ncsc mil patrick gallagh director nation secur agenc nation comput secur center and secur board member walker ti stephen walker comput secur expert and presid trust inform system inc glenwood willi rand org willi ware rand corp execut chair secur board whitehurst vnet ibm william whitehurst secur board member and director ibm corp data secur program harri shapiro hab panix list administr extropi institut mail list privat commun for extropian commun sinc harri shapiro hab panix list administr extropi institut mail list privat commun for extropian commun sinc
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sci.crypt	clipper will corrupt cop propos polic point view articl apr new clarkson edu tuinstra signal ec clarkson edu soe dwight tuinstra write clear implic that legal author court order leaki don wiretap statut handi law pen regist thi titl code note vagu haven had chanc check usc pen regist gener prohibit pen regist and trap and trace devic us except gener provid thi section person instal us pen regist trap and trace devic obtain court order section thi titl foreign intellig surveil act seq emerg pen regist and trap and trace devic instal notwithstand provis thi chapter investig law enforc offic special design attornei gener deputi attornei gener associ attornei gener assist attornei gener act assist attornei gener deputi assist attornei gener princip prosecut attornei state subdivis thereof act pursuant statut that state determin that emerg situat exist that involv danger death bodili injuri person conspiratori activ characterist organ crime that requir instal and us pen regist trap and trace devic order author such instal and us can due dilig obtain and ground order enter thi chapter author such instal and us instal and us pen regist trap and trace devic forti hour instal occur begin occur order approv instal us issu accord section thi titl absenc author order such us immedi termin inform sought obtain applic for order deni forti hour laps sinc instal pen regist trap and trace devic whichev earlier know instal us investig law enforc offic pen regist trap and trace devic pursuant subsect applic for author order forti hour instal constitut violat thi chapter
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sci.crypt	build softwar cryptophon for internet forward post celp speech compress case you experi celp you can obtain softwar implement bp fed std celp coder for free dod feder standard base bp code excit linear predict voic coder version celp fortran and simul sourc code for worldwid distribut charg do diskett configur compil sun sparc station sinc told that sourc thi cygnu pub celp speech tar not posit sun tcp guru can marri thi netfon end week real net access and two sparc thi run end week pgp gui add bytestream crypto filter two week damn had sparc back stuck mhz share and enjoi you us archi find netfon copi note author doc kelvin autodesk and appear locat franc
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sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip compani work for previous receiv file that de encryp and person that had vaction wait two week set straight frontal attack kei time two dai crack file don faith de fun question hardwar you us you found kei that special that meant you had lucki find earli bit you mean dictionari attack binari kei attack
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sci.crypt	clipper algorithm secret articl apr fsl noaa gov bear kestrel fsl noaa gov bear gile write articl pstr panix dfl panix danni bedlam write algorithm classifi militari contract similar govern equival militari for thi proprietari design that fed that nsa develop patent that patent publicli bet that that classifi major chang law such beast classifi patent patent exist encourag commun and develop state art patent can classifi secret recent patent deal nuclear weapon technolog that declassifi last coupl year problem enforc patent thing appli civilian develop you can patent and declar trade secret you can and mark softwar includ proprietari code unpublish copyright that expos you legal protect thi absolut alec chamber
sci.crypt	freeli distribut public kei cryptographi code moos indiana edu marc vanheyningen mvanheyn indiana edu write pgp not archiv site rsa highli amus sinc rsa public kei partner entiti organ hold patent claim violat you make us sell pgp patent appli canada not patent lawyer doubl post forgot make us sell thi context standard mean make mean make encrypt messag us mean pgp encrypt messag sell mean sell encrypt messag messag creat patent process incorpor pgp infring arthur rubin rubin dsg dse beckman work beckman instrument brea mcimail compuserv arthur pnet ct person opinion and not repres employ
sci.crypt	kei regist bodi naglec netcom nagl netcom john nagl write sinc law requir that wiretap request execut branch and approv judici branch clear that kei regist bodi control judici branch suggest suprem court region court appeal specif offic clerk that make sens half govern escrow eff admin secur not test arthur rubin rubin dsg dse beckman work beckman instrument brea mcimail compuserv arthur pnet ct person opinion and not repres employ
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sci.crypt	freeli distribut public kei cryptographi code moos indiana edu marc vanheyningen mvanheyn indiana edu write pgp not archiv site rsa highli amus sinc rsa public kei partner entiti organ hold patent claim violat you make us sell pgp patent appli canada not patent lawyer patent don appli canada free trade agreement provid for recognit patent not arthur rubin rubin dsg dse beckman work beckman instrument brea mcimail compuserv arthur pnet ct person opinion and not repres employ
sci.crypt	kei regist bodi sinc law requir that wiretap request execut branch and approv judici branch clear that kei regist bodi control judici branch suggest suprem court region court appeal specif offic clerk court oper substanti record keep oper record confidenti concept court hold inform confid accord law longstand legal preced judiciari immun pressur execut branch execut branch agenc contractor can judici control kei for half kei suggest unit congress gener account offic gao congress staff unit for keep tab execut branch and excel reput control strictli congress execut branch author kei split legisl and judici branch chanc thi system work honestli can found kei siphon reach repositori thi not constru endors clipper concept split control across branch govern make work john nagl
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good lawrenc foard lfoard hopper virginia edu wrote articl apr aukuni pgut aukuni peter gutmann write articl delet quick realiti check thi for real invent provok reaction peopl sound sort thing you heard suitabl rephras leader german polit parti sound joke war drug joke rememb month ago and mark joke funni thing circul kenneth beal kbeal amber ssd csd harri us pavlov ring bell nlp tape learn move street person respons indigo girl fnord man gather anoth man spill dead opinion mine your religion batf approv pro con progress
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sci.crypt	escrow databas articl strnlghtc inf netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write waco massacr and big brother wiretap chip tactic fair thi pernici nonsens david govern total control whether you realiz not you find pain your buddi uncl sam evil true democraci fallen our and knee jerk sheep that instinct trust govern help slide power corrupt david that hard understand
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sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl uvn austin ibm arussel austin ibm russel write compani work for previous receiv file that de encryp and person that had vaction wait two week set straight frontal attack kei time two dai crack file don faith de take thi face quit disson that publish brute forc de crack russel lucki respect kei interest whether program russel us whether us cleartext recognit algorithm program whether had examin each decrypt hand whether us plaintext attack address machin us desktop workstat super comput depend answer thi appal develop call into question de and rsa de dunno rsa idea bright programm idl machin time can crack singl de messag coupl dai assum trick that messag specif clipper kei nsa give chip onc david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
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sci.crypt	escrow databas articl apr new eng convex gardner convex steve gardner write articl strnlghtc inf netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write waco massacr and big brother wiretap chip tactic fair thi pernici nonsens david govern total control whether you realiz not you find pain your buddi uncl sam evil true democraci fallen our and knee jerk sheep that instinct trust govern help slide power corrupt david that hard understand that wasn point point that your impli posit waco massacr assert cum polit posit cnn poll american fbi act properli and major tear ga lot sooner larg major fbi not respons for death victim koresh avoid kind fruitless argument sort hadn not you call big brother chip propos discuss and not clear that strong crypto ban justifi tactic fair statement nonsens pernici tactic can lead damag you tone your repli noth person intend david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl strnlghtc wcmo netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl uvn austin ibm arussel austin ibm russel write compani work for previous receiv file that de encryp and person that had vaction wait two week set straight frontal attack kei time two dai crack file take thi face quit disson that publish brute forc de crack russel lucki respect kei interest whether program russel us whether us cleartext recognit algorithm program whether had examin each decrypt hand whether us plaintext attack thi dictionari attack attack make sens thi mean that encrypt file type password singl dictionari word and russel word dictionari thi isn implaus smart and clip plaintext block ciphertext block doesn decrypt won assum attempt second take hour word usr dict word not real tough you want de secur you us random kei you can type your wife name and aha never guess that daniel boyd boyd buffalo edu church appliantolog white zone for load and unload
sci.crypt	escrow databas david sternlight strnlght netcom wrote articl apr new eng convex gardner convex steve gardner write cascad elid preserv saniti that wasn point point that your impli posit waco massacr assert cum polit posit cnn poll you call big brother chip propos discuss and not clear that strong crypto ban set record straight steve gardner not author bit you quot steve issu david character word pernici nonsens won comment view folk support don and line question central point make origin post import debat sci crypt and tim continu hold view doesn feel debat polit timothi crypto anarchi encrypt digit monei tcmai netcom anonym network digit pseudonym knowledg reput inform market apto black market collaps govern higher power public kei pgp and mailsaf
sci.crypt	encrypt articl strnlghtc erw netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write psionic wam umd edu parenthes name unfortun coincid cast doubt bona fide post messag will word privat firm that encrypt algorithm secur and contain trapdoor seemingli distrust that govern clipper will post david sternlight faq alt privaci clipper unfamiliar take and start anoth flame fest dan
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sci.crypt	encrypt articl apr magic mcc crolei magic mcc david crolei wrote that fact that govern overlook thi fiasco econom standpoint mention difficulti clipper chip face econom face averag consum doesn care that clipper bad idea perceiv for cellular encrypt compani will provid like standard will emerg clipper expens and chip will develop bui cheaper thi interest point coars rule thumb you can figur that final price product time cost good exact multipli depend larg economi scale product that sell ten million unit year will low end that sell thousand unit year will high end suspect cellular phone middl thi impli that ad chip increas cost phone approx don you lot consum support for thi toni usual disclaim
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sci.crypt	freeli distribut public kei cryptographi code victor is victori xetron wrote numer recip fortran pascal nice section encrypt and decrypt base de algorithm sourc code provid version thi book distribut sourc code disk sourc code can order publish victor is victori xetron benchmark de implement recip book order magnitud slower outerbridg karn gillogli implement instruct isn fast gradi netcom
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl vmf mbt murdoch acc virginia edu lfoard hopper virginia edu lawrenc foard write articl apr aukuni pgut aukuni peter gutmann write articl delet quick realiti check thi for real invent provok reaction peopl sound sort thing you heard suitabl rephras leader german polit parti sound joke war drug joke seek permiss repost actual note anoth mail list check archiv nexi upi and major newspap and found mention that articl
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sci.crypt	estim wiretap cost benefit wiretap chip cost effect robin hanson draft april summari compar averag monthli phone bill sixti dollar wiretap worth two cent month polic propos wiretap chip rais phone cost part thousand cost effect background phone happen exist wiretap detector pick convers phone line and time law enforc agenc come reli thi capabl aid crimin investig power encrypt technolog threaten thi statu quo make privat commun small chip each phone make liter imposs overhear convers physic microphon end order preserv abil law enforc agenc tap phone convers govern announc april that had develop and begun manufactur special wiretap chip futur phone total privaci chip privat develop dai announc us chip secur telephon product each chip creat govern supervis fix indentifi and encrypt kei period each convers chip broadcast identifi and info special law enforc block law enforc offic court order obtain kei indentifi special trust agenc and therebi listen futur previous record convers that phone date concern voic thi plan secur govern won disclos encrypt algorithm and suspect govern will not limit access claim track record previou govern not inspir confid thi point thi paper will neglect concern and whether thi wiretap chip cost effect tool for polic investig that cheaper for societi investig crime forc phone commun support wiretap give polic agenc monei investig crime wai put anoth polic agenc will pai for each wiretap had pai share full social cost forc phone support wiretap start answer thi question compar current benefit wiretap provid law enforc agenc project cost implement wiretap chip plan and sinc current benefit easier estim begin wiretap benefit latest year for wiretap statist that year wiretap instal request and request deni thi figur not includ wiretap obtain consent parti convers arrest result wiretap start year arrest wiretap previou year and arrest led convict wiretap for phone pager email etc drug offens and request feder author each wiretap instal heard averag call incrimin peopl and cost averag extrapol instal report cost for labor total million spent wiretap obtain arrest per arrest arrest time expens per arrest figur get divid billion spent polic nation total million traffic arrest million per year spent phone tap thousanth total polic expenditur and divid thi million phone access line countri cent spent per year per phone line two cent month gener deter class crimin combin perceiv probabl caught and convict and expect punish level convict social wiretap amount that pai crimin deterr mean unabl wiretap suspect phone polic us hidden microphon investig that suspect wai polic focu suspect easili investig wiretap rais fine prison time for type crime gener assum that substitut for wiretap averag twice expens wiretap annual social benefit phone wiretap equal current spend level two cent month per phone line wiretap cost for moment optimist assum that govern encrypt scheme secur privat enterpris offer protect convers spy ear neighbor corpor and govern foreign and domest even support wiretap add addit cost build and maintain commun system extra law enforc block ad phone transmiss increas traffic unknown percentag special process us add encrypt kei chip secur distribut kei special agenc fund and monitor chip design militari contractor design remain secret and manufactur special process that chip becom imposs apart chip offer rel high price peic lot privat encrypt system not support wiretap requir extra cost perhap import govern degre partial replac privat marketplac evolut standard for voic repres encrypt and exchang futur phone wide believ that govern effici privat enterpris procur product and standard perhap perform broker role choos compet privat standard effici matter debat pai twice total billion spent oper expens phone compani come per month per access line compar thi wiretap two cent per month that wiretap rais averag oper cost even part wiretap not cost effect and thi doesn even includ extra cost phone owner pai encrypt chip expens phone wouldn encrypt chip for wiretap benefit per phone thi argument appli conclus thi dramat differ total cost run phone system and wiretap can justifi slightest modif phone system accommod wiretap modif requir investig attach clip phone wire wiretap support reason substanti modif burden proof propos such modif show that cost benefit consensu cannot obtain thi cost benefit estim compromis tax phone not support wiretap rate cent per month tax payabl polic agenc nationwid compens for loss wiretap abil invis weapon oxford press isbn report applic for order author approv intercept wire oral electron commun administr offic court washington statist abstract dorothi den clipper chip technic summari distribut sci crypt newsgroup april robin hanson hanson ptolemi arc nasa gov nasa am research center moffett field male terrac fremont
sci.crypt	clipper for cheap secur pdc dc paul crowlei write quot pmetzger snark shearson perri metzger articl apr shearson what differ bi modem and bi modem fast fastest modem can voic compress assert thi straightforward bit per second figur will friend forev half friend motorola codex preliminari fast modem you can kbp raw standard phone line kbp claim for final fast you can and bui that standard isn voic can compress quit bp depend good you want that requir dsp special asic real time engin that philosoph
sci.crypt	encrypt articl apr zip eec umich edu dmuntz quip eec umich edu dan muntz write articl strnlghtc erw netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write psionic wam umd edu parenthes name unfortun coincid cast doubt bona fide post messag will word privat firm that encrypt algorithm secur and contain trapdoor seemingli distrust that govern clipper will post david sternlight faq alt privaci clipper unfamiliar take and start anoth flame fest dan david sternlight keeper faq unfortuant cannot find present time origin faq question david sternlight fact take david sternlight review opinion and case immedi discard jerk alt fan david sternlight alt flame david sternlight photograph david sternlight for curiou david sternlight net polic proud dick internet david polic question david continu relat mi statement encrypt and topic fact david sternlight chemic imbal side brain martin hannigan twist pair consult mac ibm mainfram unix
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl rubin dsg dse beckman rubin dsg dse beckman arthur rubin write wouldn ask peopl trust secret algorithm unsound quit common million macintosh user idea appl patent rom modem connect you your busi secret aren stolen answer you trust appl such attempt sophicst destroi appl credibl forev clipper case repres bodi expert allow audit and assur even presid that escrow kei back door not confid that not lot assur for thing routin trust everydai life david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook doug holland claim tom clanci provid recip for nuclear bomb clanci omit crucial step clanci repeat read told unclassifi domain david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	polit point attack clipper infrastructur articl apr new clarkson edu tuinstra signal ec clarkson edu soe write figur estim number clipper tap request fbi expect publish thi figur compar per capita basi amount tap suspect attornei gener publish number court order tap each year isn thousand for averag crook spy worri fact reason guess number big time crook and spi not even for crook and spi worri reason that will clipper sinc number tap includ target stupid us encrypt base playback heard court case david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	clipper make good cover for encrypt method articl strnlghtc netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl apr eff org kadi eff org carl kadi write don replac for clipper front end thi make sens govern prohibit altern escrow encrypt scheme not us front end clipper you expect that make altern method encrypt illeg step crippl chip utterli worthless obviou that crippl chip aim spy ordinari citizen that form encrypt will illeg smg
sci.crypt	can de code ship canada articl apr fripp cadr cadr write canada ask send public domain de file encrypt code legal for send illeg send cryptograph code countri export licens will correct thi inaccur dunno you for code you find appli for licens note that you distinguish legal send canada you such licens and legal send you don david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	wiretap realiti todai messag reflect view that govern listen and will hide clipper messag escrow crypto perspect order number court order wire tap pretti low law enforc present pretti good evid even that limit number author overwhelm major convers tap record govern and for that happen pretti good reason evid us thi sparingli highest prioriti pretti good reason system imperfect long horror stori anticip david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
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sci.crypt	shelf cheap de keyseach machin corpor accept wiretap chip articl strnlghtc wcmo netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl uvn austin ibm arussel austin ibm russel write compani work for previous receiv file that de encryp and person that had vaction wait two week set straight frontal attack kei time two dai crack file don faith de take thi face quit disson that publish brute forc de crack russel lucki respect kei interest whether program russel us whether us cleartext recognit algorithm program whether had examin each decrypt hand whether us plaintext attack that archiv method kei cleartext file us programat dictionari attack us de librari provid system that lucki kei address machin us desktop workstat super comput previou employ noth current address fact that fastest machin offic ibm risc system model meg memori not super comput depend answer thi appal develop call into question de and rsa de dunno rsa idea thi statement limit kei interfac ascii char pad and program don bother clear archiv front and backend bright programm idl machin time can crack singl de messag coupl dai assum trick that messag specif clipper kei nsa give chip onc moderatli bright programm idl machin time can crack todai real world encrypt that you select kei and prepar data inord that decrypt will becom worst case that not real world and that agenc start attack messag you point good recognit algorithm avail not familiar russel dept oltp section pal group ausvm email arussel austin ibm phone tielin view silli free berkelei
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sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl strnlghtc netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write wouldn ask peopl trust secret algorithm unsound quit common million macintosh user idea appl patent rom modem connect you your busi secret aren stolen answer you trust appl such attempt sophicst destroi appl credibl forev not secret want can appl copyright rom mac not keep secret you don even pry top chip and us electron microscop you read data memori and you can figur mean motorola object code isn that obscur copyright can sell copi copi can and disassembl not ask trust honesti ask trust qualiti assembl languag program can for perform price and crash dai nsa organ not for honesti open ask trust privaci won trust feh prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	clipper not good for govern discuss recent whether govern onc exempt us screw comp dcom telecom lesreev attmail subject odd end new clipper chip devic introduc yesterdai not suitabl for govern us hous telecom subcommitte chairman markei letter commerc secretari brown markei ask whether us technolog lead inadvert increas cost compani hope serv govern and privat market markei order brown answer question secur and cost concern april commun daili show gui afraid bad and show you gui you can beat time rene auberjonoi
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl apr lehman pmetzger snark shearson perri metzger write qualcomm had spare cycl dsp for cdma digit cellular phone want put strong crypto into sinc had capac govern decid discourag you blow smoke qualcomm sell nice lucr oversea market japan and govern told don encrypt you hope export thi technolog reason that cdma doesn encrypt not men knock qualcomm door qualcomm doesn that market for digit cellular big for thi intern traffic arm regul perri state net that qualcomm want sell oversea and govern told wouldn allow export blow smoke you made version and crypto export version and contract bulgarian japanes softwar hous develop oversea crypto rom that get pretti expens cylink sell phone will make stuff for domest us export qualcomm isn cylink make monei that capit comrad peopl capit and prefer free enterpris govern stifl your competit capitalist will build unit thi prehap will produc packag that turn box sound card into secur phone thi and that you easi you whine net get your butt gear and write write good crypto code good programm can write good crypto algorithm special skill develop voic code algorithm pretti special find wai implement complex you don horsepow fairli hairi stuff onc pentium becom widespread gener sound board dsp suspect happen vanilla soundblast prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook articl strnlghtc wjag netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write doug holland claim tom clanci provid recip for nuclear bomb clanci omit crucial step clanci repeat read told unclassifi domain hand john aristotl phillip junior princeton flunk physic terrif term paper atom bomb design good that classifi step deriv social engin name explos fundament sound and pakistan embassi call copi time lobbi govern nuclear reactor for pure militari electr power gener prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi articl hc transfer stratu cme ellisun stratu carl ellison write paraphras not agre you encrypt defend your encrypt great slogan readi sign crypto lobbi effort wouldn want nra offshoot push for cra cryptograph right amend dwight tuinstra tuinstra sandman ec clarkson edu toler tuinstrd craft camp clarkson edu homo sapien planetari cancer new six
sci.crypt	suggest for escrow agenc technic detail articl vcd john vcd john eaton write that problem that overlook two escrow agenc will creat secur databas and servic input and output kei pai for thi refus illeg request congressman deliv kei can budget cut punish will congress forc fund forev easiest user fee for each clipper chip manufactur thi make fund separ govern neat side properti that chip doesn catch scheme break and govern back draw board assum that haven prohibit altern meantim fact thi part offici system govern allow move thi past experiment stage demonstr econom viabil mass adopt govern fond demonstr project prove feasibl us govern fund for social program make similar feasibl demonstr econom viabil cum accept term for thi babi put vote that count marketplac vote pai for david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
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sci.crypt	secret sourc that announc articl apr aukuni pgut aukuni peter gutmann write similar happen ag ago work pgp us send short messag develop issu simpli test featur thi time pgp and newer version unknown suddenli admin site receiv request that stop send encrypt email almost that automat scanner found thi sinc wouldn pgp check for unknown data type messag unscrambl found couldn past pem armour part and contact sysadmin and ask stop luckili current email carrier picki network send encrypt traffic govern permiss legal zealand david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	revis technic summari clipper chip articl apr guvax acc georgetown edu den guvax acc georgetown edu write each chip includ compon skipjack encrypt algorithm bit famili kei that common chip bit serial number thi length subject chang bit secret kei that unlock messag encrypt chip chip us imagin that embed telephon secur devic will suppos call and such devic push button start secur convers secur devic will negoti bit session kei devic end thi kei negoti take place clipper chip gener method kei exchang can us such diffi hellman public kei distribut method onc session kei establish clipper chip us encrypt convers messag stream digit voic telephon secur devic feed and into chip produc two valu encrypt messag stream and law enforc field transmit telephon line law enforc field contain session kei encrypt unit kei concaten serial number encrypt famili kei law enforc field decrypt law enforc author wiretap instal interest thing notic thi that us chip kei encod session kei for law enforc field not us encrypt algorithm creat devic that compat send bogu law enforc field thi render devic unus normal devic sort valid involv law enforc field us such modifi devic thi irrelev nsa backdoor algorithm make defeat kei escrow system wilt thou seal avenu ill pai tom weinstein debt god wrote bill emmerson tomw orac esd sgi
sci.crypt	secret sourc that announc jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jame ebright write assum time gui sat offic thumb ass isn that stuff come columbu compuserv columbu corpor headquart major insur compani largest privat compani world batel memori institut dcsc defens construct suppli center ohio state univers largest univers oclc onlin colleg librari center and you amaz columbu cow town amanda walker intercon system corpor
sci.crypt	summari respons research oracl password secur origin post build oracl databas serv repositori for inform consid proprietari confidenti such want verifi secur oracl password and appli secur check techniqu us nix system specif us crack check encrypt data for easili guess password us crack depend oracl unix password encrypt scheme thi case method us method for secur check audit oracl environ appreci thi articl will scratch surfac secur consider comment request email world std peopl respond usenet and oracl corp common respons suggest us oracl audit featur op password control access opinion op includ suggest us and not us advis us tabl view refin granular access control import secur consider network instal that op account presum that client host user authent server op user secur secur machin network you not defin op account system limit access op account data secur concern unix oracl server provid for disabl op access network orasrv option reli host secur for local process intern oracl power and document sic audit mechan dba will us monitor system and data access tool can us track primari secur risk oracl environ oracl password secur base proprietari usag de encrypt oracl corp state that algorithm not prone cleartext attack thi difficult claim substanti sinc algorithm unknown concern that user choos easili guess password cracker can gain access your oracl databas file host oper system extract cyphertext password data and appli cryptanalysi techniqu learn user password secur risk scenario pretti low sever onc intrud access raw databas file can access data cracker break password substanti damag alert audit mechan and leav and audit trail point valid user present oracl unix nativ mean ensur that password not guessabl comput secur import defens educ user safe choic password techniqu discuss internet rfc and crack manual ftp archiv server and unix system secur curri david addison welsei forrest whitcher world std boston scientif corp watertown
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl strnlghtc netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl rubin dsg dse beckman rubin dsg dse beckman arthur rubin write wouldn ask peopl trust secret algorithm unsound quit common not your talk cryptographi million macintosh user idea appl patent rom modem connect you your busi secret aren stolen answer you trust appl you won appl signatur finder featur such attempt sophicst destroi appl credibl forev thi analog fail assumpt that govern two squirt credibl addit appl proclaim purpos releas macintosh wasn survelli quit opposit januari appl will introduc macintosh and you won don give bullshit analog trust coke not put mind control drug can bui clipper case repres bodi expert allow audit and assur even presid that escrow kei back door not confid that not lot assur for thing routin trust everydai life reason suspici last time presid wast time comfort american anoth reason close exact david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except uni ac edu uni ac edu public kei finger and request public kei archiv pgp public kei pgp iastat edu sovereignti sign brutal past fight clinton wiretap chip crypto not crime
sci.crypt	happen export restrict violat heard lot talk nsa infam control encrypt export itar question develop thi great encrypt system and want sell softwar worldwid thought polic come and thi algorithm threat nation secur you will not permit export thi point kind troubl into itar and sold program intern custom doug holland doug holland freedom holland colost edu speech will pry pgp kei mail cold dead lip
sci.crypt	secret algorithm clipper chip and crypto kei escrow articl mj apr behemoth genet wisc edu mj behemoth genet wisc edu mike schmelzer write you thi you trust richard nixon your crypto kei wouldn you mean presid nixon not privat citizen nixon noth slightest interest presid nixon sternlight your naivet and histor ignor appal histori lesson detail delet nonsens wasn ask larri brien trust nixon kei whether david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	clipper chip technic summari pat myrto law enforc kei court order and for us wiretap warrant isn decrypt histor traffic for prospect listen onc establish pat approach tip crook david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	parabl scottmi microsoft scott miller techcom write stike that thi concern govern abil eavesdrop overblown can todai understand that can tap listen access exc phone line bank record etc etc can listen mine sinc us cryptographi for electron mail and will start for telephoni practic parabl onc land call ruritania and ruritania strang phenonmenon tree that grew ruritainia transpar dai peopl had live mud hut thi had not problem high tech wood technolog had develop and ag wood ruritania found that home thi point thought allow polic spy home technolog made thi tempt thi civil countri warrant requir us binocular and watch home polic take advantag thi warrant us binocular and peer occassion us binocular warrant pretend that thi didn happen dai smart man invent paint and you paint your hous suddenli polic couldn watch your action will thing back ag complet privat indign state decid requir that home video camera instal nook and cranni thi develop crime run rampant instal video camera doesn mean that polic capabl keep wise man point that citizen not oblig make live polic easi that polic had surviv mud hut ag watch citizen will and that ruritania civil countri not that expedi permit for instanc neighbor countri had discov that tortur extrem effect solv crime ruritania had ban thi practic spite expedi warrant ask interest expedi famou paint technologist dorothi quisl interven note that peopl photograph children masturb paint technolog wide deploi safeguard and law pass discov that citizen cover mouth speak each prevent polic read lip video camera thi had prevent polic prevent conduct law surveil wise man point that polic had never allow listen peopl home dorothi quisl point that peopl us thi invent cover mouth veil discuss kidnap and mutil children legislatur want accus favor mutil children want interfer peopl right wear like compromis reach home instal microphon each room accompani video camera wise man lament child mutil had solv lip read technolog late microphon instal everwher discov that thi insuffici prevent citizen hide inform author cleverli speak languag that polic not understand law propos forc citizen speak time ruritanian and for good measur requir that speak and distinctli microphon dorothi quisl point opportun speak privat mask terrorist activ terror struck terror into heart and rejoic brullianc thi law meanwhil wise man talk even friend thi make sham constitut ruritania ruritanian proud ask oblig sacrific freedom and privaci make live polic easier isn real evid that thi make big dent crime make privaci forfeit state wise man made mistak thi law requir ruritanian and distinctli and microphon newli form ruritanian secret polic arriv and and confess tortur tortur effici method and had recent institut stop recent wave peopl think obscen thought tomato dorothi quisl note major problem ag plenti and joi perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm arthur melnick post interest hand messag nea algorithm reason disbeliev want clarifi point connect nsa part nsa plot that don level discuss that sort and quickli reach point imposs continu ration discuss issu not crook you you that popular favorit prove neg don such messag ignor comment david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	clipper chip technic summari for reason finger want type whenev want probabl for confus previou messag david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl edu uni ac edu shaen bernhardt write don give bullshit analog trust coke not put mind control drug can bui shhh coke drinker haven found phosphor acid david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	can de code ship canada articl strnlghtc wkrt netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write illeg send cryptograph code countri export licens will correct thi inaccur glad you correct illeg send cryptograph code and lot thing countri licens citizen gener export licens allow export lot thing includ constitution protect speech thi effect that legal for citizen export thing illeg for corpor export obtain licens dunno you for code you find appli for licens nope talk good lawyer area export law gener govern good nation secur case prevent export you person publish word that intention lot easier for govern prevent export inform charg crime fact espionag except note that you distinguish legal send canada you such licens and legal send you don you citizen you gener licens not lawyer thi grain salt had swim itar and export reg case robert eachu standard disclaim us standard disclaim function messag text clever idea return idea
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sci.crypt	screw peopl crypto for hard core hacker spook jfc athena mit edu john carr write pmetzger snark shearson perri metzger write not lawyer can thi complet and utterli untru not offici secret act law that will punish you for reveal classifi inform you learn your capac govern offici contractor etc and law that prohibit steal such inform sell you chip can that can make revers engin and reveal detail illeg case inform you come properli us you except you write paper includ suffici detail inform build nuclear weapon classifi understand law nuclear weapon design automat classifi even you work you not allow read your paper preced nuclear weapon inform publish progress impress that court held that prior restraint not us lawyer perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	thi overreact jhan debra dgbt doc jerri han write happili sleep peopl thi aren peopl slightli overreact thi sudden draw parallel nazi germani and communist russia point matter that thi problem not end world guess you can communist countri nazi germani complain you complain and shoot that that point react strongli and forcefulli will assur that continu remain free you cannot overreact threat thi worst that happen overreact that wast time and effort worst that happen underreact tyranni prefer overreact guess peopl you live countri world person can complain get shot doesn that you preciou and hard maintain freedom centuri overreact manag maintain ourselv thi state even moder freedom suggest that overreact and futur good thing perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	make clipper chip and wiretap bad idea that remov polit complaint clipper chip pass law state that year performa wiretap polic agenc hasn manag convict suspect crime warrant wiretap for that agenc ow suspect million repai for lost privaci problem technic aspect clipper and size fit mental that attempt enforc standard thi for favor allow continu wiretap assur that will us case crime import and polic that will convict john elsei
sci.crypt	wiretap realiti todai strnlght netcom david sternlight write messag reflect view that govern listen and will hide clipper messag escrow crypto perspect order number court order wire tap pretti low law enforc present pretti good evid even that limit number author overwhelm major convers tap record govern and for that happen pretti good reason evid us thi sparingli highest prioriti pretti good reason system imperfect long horror stori anticip david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except trust govern problem member sternlight gener trust govern degre member gener find ridicul suggest that sternlight read cointelpro program edgar hoover wire tap martin luther king digest thi inform can ponder fact that govern not tap convers that record tap convers that even law long histori member govern ignor law that appli that peopl sound paranoid and fact that difficult imposs punish individu onc discov that peopl faith escrow propos for clipper jami jamison
sci.crypt	pseudocollis short note comment den boer and bossela recent work messag digest algorithm feel free email question comment burt kaliski rsa laboratori documentstyl articl begin document titl pseudocollis messag digest algorithm author burton kaliski burt rsa and matthew robshaw matt rsa and rsa laboratori marin parkwai redwood citi date april maketitl messag digest algorithm map messag arbitrari length digest fix length and properti comput digest easi find messag digest invers hard and find two messag digest collis hard messag digest algorithm applic includ digit signatur and messag authent rsa data secur messag digest algorithm develop ron rivest cite rfc map messag bit messag digest comput digest megabyt messag take second messag digest algorithm can prove secur believ good that map bit digest invers oper and collis oper found faster approach invers collis recent work den boer and bossela cite den boer present special kind pseudocollis intern compress function map bit messag block and bit input state bit output state show find messag block and two relat input state and that yield output state thought approach exploit structur properti collis function find pseudocollis oper expect practic implic thi pseudocollis work secur not evid real collis impli pseudocollis pseudo invers pseudocollis not impli real collis real collis sinc involv two messag almost involv messag block and such that pseudocollis messag block input state and gener unrel pseudocollis input state for bit not extend den boer and bossela approach special pseudocollis limit readili admit reason that remain secur den boer and bossela found interest structur properti properti lead special pseudocollis and not approach real collis research will give understand strength and messag digest algorithm eventu hope that such algorithm can sens prove secur bibliographystyl plain begin thebibliographi bibitem den boer bert den boer and antoon bossela newblock collis for compress function newblock advanc cryptolog eurocrypt newblock preprint bibitem rfc rivest newblock rfc messag digest algorithm newblock internet activ board april end thebibliographi end document
sci.crypt	suggest for escrow agenc technic detail articl strnlghtc ybka netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight bring issu escrow agent will paid and fact that govern had financi leverag don cooper import issu escrow agent decid stop offer servic assum that escrow agent isn govern contract for provid escrow servic includ termin claus return kei easiest user fee for each clipper chip manufactur thi make fund separ govern user pai fee and servic user govern fund not separ govern user buyer servic keep kei for don and won bui servic not tell kei sound blackmail user manufactur user choic bui altern gener kei and not escrow fine pai for thi kind kei escrow kei face escrow provid provid servic user don want peopl want govern not user you talk govern pai for servic front per year gener tax special direct tax wiretap chip indirect tax forc manufactur pai fee escrow agent hope escrow peopl find your name your serial number escrow govern agenc jersei lot peopl will provid that sort servic for user fee peopl will your store burn for small monthli fee sometim peopl refus pai and discov that servic effect you basebal game yanke stadium peopl will watch your car park lot for small user fee scratch paint and shame your clipper kei prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	make clipper chip and wiretap bad reason for push clipper two dai lead stori mercuri time murki new anoth articl industri espionag french had can hurt govern continu access commun problem that access and realiz govern exclus access commun intercept unit state cut access detriment nation secur doubt that letter agenc that origin encrypt algorithm and chip design escrow system continu intercept effort own compani program
sci.crypt	happen export restrict violat articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write heard lot talk nsa infam control encrypt export itar question develop thi great encrypt system and want sell softwar worldwid thought polic come and thi algorithm threat nation secur you will not permit export thi point kind troubl into itar and sold program intern custom not thought polic export polic you move oversea your great thought your head write softwar and sell thought polic can you want check your lawyer you write program and sell furrin you intern arm dealer and can thrown clink for year decid you good exampl and cuban drug dealer and fanat middl eastern terrorist bui your stuff definit public domain for itar purpos you good lawyer your case for free confisc you evid you win sinc stake quit high prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm articl artmel artmel arthur melnick write strongli oppos clipper capston chip press releas todai presid stephen bryen state govern unlimit sourc fund us push bug chip american public not understand nation secur agenc not suppos involv domest spy can fund develop commerci chip intend accommod govern domest spy activ thi easi job nsa suppos develop cryptosystem govern choos ahead and sell cryptosystem mass thi sound lot slam competit not cry for justic gui limb read that commit algorithm silicon made public gonna shamir write paper show crack entir class algorithm minut slide rule and pencil weren busi throw muck smear competitor feel kinda for andrew
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl apr leland stanford edu arc leland stanford edu andrew richard conwai write protest your communist countri you haven and socialist dictatorship you can whilst socialist democraci such franc australia you can peopl disagre franc australia socialist you complain and shoot guess peopl you live countri world person can complain get shot circumst public meet last night usa protest nice and calm and speaker start bewar opinion forc meet two arm policemen lot thing that cannot usa you not notic australian visitor notic don react don react you andrew not for firm rebutt for understand differ commun and social even thi topic peopl not understand that pretti song land free and sound nice that not true rose color glass and clue us two clich you jami
sci.crypt	escrow databas articl strnlghtc inf netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write articl tcmayc netcom tcmai netcom timothi write waco massacr and big brother wiretap chip tactic fair thi pernici nonsens david sternlight great care ensur accuraci sinc fbi account happen contradict increasingli frequent basi offici investig fire pernici idea believ that big brother behav respect cryptograph kei light alleg respect doj sell softwar intellig servic you suppos chanc futur doj sell escrow kei busi firm trust govern honest and fair put fox charg protect chicken clayton cramer uunet pyramid optilink cramer opinion mine relat peopl mutual consent not
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sci.crypt	wiretap realiti todai articl vouinn shellei washington edu niteowl stein washington edu jami jamison write trust govern problem member sternlight gener trust govern degre member gener find ridicul suggest that sternlight read cointelpro program edgar hoover you read histori hoover stop nixon cointelpro dead track unconstitut despit thing for thi alon hoover save constitut david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
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sci.crypt	build softwar cryptophon for internet articl demon graham toal gtoal gtoal write articl jqu sol ti mjr ti marcu ranum write such thing develop that interact internet talk radio ideal gener purpos devic gener purpos devic that balk widespread us make easi for homebrew us pretti common hardwar suggest start ubiquit sun lot momentum custom hardwar isn anywher user base don move even mass set thi ibm clone sound blaster and bi modem compon wide don horsepow encrypt data realtim sound blaster hardwar compress and will work sampl rate khz khz doug holland doug holland freedom holland colost edu speech will pry pgp kei mail cold dead lip
sci.crypt	hear april articl tenneyc hqh netcom glenn tennei tennei netcom write interest understand that april markei will hold hear question rais thi letter follow hear dedic clipper chip that not definit glenn for post that surpris notic that question expect ask not form strong encrypt clipper made illeg speak awar whether that question ask knowledg offici spokesperson for govern not mention dozen place report easili miss ted lee trust inform system inc tmplee ti box minnetonka
sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm thi easi job nsa suppos develop cryptosystem govern choos ahead and sell cryptosystem mass develop cryptosystem specifici design protect govern domest spy capabl take that mandat into forbidden field domest wiretap nsa charter forbid pure domest intellig work that even provid assist develop skipjack algorithom violat that charter intrench govern agenc will exped jeff hupp internet jhupp shockwav win net medowglen apt contract program novel houston texa network design and support voic goven doesn
sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm articl rand org jim rand org jim gillogli write you mistaken nsa commun intellig mission strictli foreign govern excerpt enabl charter oct truman that clarifi thi charter declassifi feb foia request made public interest can thing nsa not standard set busi that thi clipper stuff nist task come standard base input govern agenc includ nsa newspap report made fairli clear that nsa real work you can you read paper packag inform nist fax inform wide that sound true prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm articl pizzabox demon gtoal gtoal graham toal write dorothi den read thi group not group forward question martin hellman detail chip toast for nsa patsi that keep head you can mail directli den guvax acc georgetown edu den cosc georgetown edu den georgetown edu found person attack prof den pretti disgust don agre posit scholar can disagre argument get into gutter person attack stop prof den repli issu substanc real harm debat gideon yuval gideoni microsoft fax twx
sci.crypt	dorothi den oppos clipper capston wiretap chip articl agora rain jhart agora rain jim hart write secur system depend secreci kei and not secreci algorithm dorothi den cite sourc mike mike godwin ariel rose godwin mnemon eff org born cambridg pound ounc inch long eff cambridg citizen electron frontier
sci.crypt	clipper scope overreact pat rwing pat myrto write problem peopl not scope implicataion point hell haven even heard clipper and will sooth languag tell nice govern let privaci delet peopl larg inform person talk that will listen can make kind dent let write document includ reason oppos clipper clear concis techinc manner urg you simpl start below and repost text evolv reach you send copi personnel letter your congress critter local report sci tech etc make thi success post agre version not flame respond flame thi chang subject clipper scope discuss michael golan princeton edu point made into paragraph wrong clipper chip usenet user secret can trust escrow agenc not cost effect want encrypt system govern want disallow futur can build kei system worri back door onc clipper chip mechan for big brother govern place chang govern can lead sinc escrow agenc oper not govern law presid can chang rule free access kei time war crimin caught wiretap cost and risk unjustifi onc fbi hold kei can decrypt past and futur convers
sci.crypt	paul repacholi zrepachol curtin edu wrote post thought joke bad tast appolog person broke new for worth clipper chip announc clipper csrc ncsl nist gov wrote note thi file will anonym file transfer csrc ncsl nist gov directori pub nistnew and nist comput secur bb white hous haven open ftp session that machin oper assumpt that address wrong nslookup and nicnam whoi nist gov nnsc nsf net host domain name internet address ncsl server mail ncsl nist gov mail ncsl ncsl server dove nist gov ncsl server ecf ncsl nist gov ecf ncsl ncsl server enh nist gov ncsl server sunmgr ncsl nist gov sunmgr ncsl that find ncsl domain and lookup machin question fail nicnam whoi domain lookup registri fail thought hei not tool and call bb number answer wrong perhap machin put firewal csrc ncsl nist gov becom machin ftp ing info scott doti sdoti odi santarosa edu
sci.crypt	clipper and confer call articl netnew upenn edu feelei cattel psych upenn edu michael feelei write curiou clipper chip system handl confer call not clipper encrypt system number design gener involv multi line cleartext bridg multi line cleartext bridg and you put that bridg isn receipt locat forget encrypt you blown secur you thought you had jeff hupp internet jhupp shockwav win net medowglen apt contract program novel houston texa network design and support voic goven doesn
sci.crypt	kei regist bodi articl wdfo demon graham toal gtoal gtoal write articl naglec netcom nagl netcom john nagl write sinc law requir that wiretap request execut branch and approv judici branch clear that kei regist bodi control judici branch suggest suprem court region court appeal specif offic clerk idea give set kgb washington embassi and set red chines imho place keybank into satellit space recoveri highli visibl team astronaut borut lavrenc mail ij lavrenc stefan institut internet borut lavrenc ij univers ljubljana phone ljubljana slovenia pgp public kei request dolgo smoi kali ovraz nikei njihk ocnoo dkril ivseb ipika
sci.crypt	tempest whugh lonestar utsa edu william hugh write hell set spark jammer electr noisi devic thi doesn work due field field effect you stop yard listen fifti yard will rel unaffect you pump hundr watt and jam neighbourhood that case govern will stomp you radio ham democrat govern care even voter watch soap opera nation secur and dictat propaganda integr part nation secur and holland colost edu doug holland write anoth idea us laptop comput mention earlier lcd screen lot noisi standard crt sinc laptop power suppli that run volt consider quieter afraid thi doesn work can pick laptop screen problem call low radiat monitor useless descript turn market assert engin thought market for monitor not huge expens militari tempest kit shield stop eavesdrop receiv built prototyp work and sit lab bench commerci interest exactli absenc open standard monitor low radiat and cost dollar can compet monitor claim low radiat and extra cost product pretti blue sticker box ross
sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm articl rdq chinet chi schneier chinet chi bruce schneier write unlik cia nsa prohibit domest spy read bamford puzzl palac had senior nsa scientist cambridg workshop recent fact clipper announc made didn learn till thi point that forbidden law monitor convers nation and chap precis choic word don expect qualm monitor domest convers parti alien think navajo code talker imagin that iraqi mission york thi iraqi foreign ministri baghdad farouq hussein citizen social secur number and thi york mission mustafa jadid speak citizen social secur number such and such report activ satan clinton ross
sci.crypt	tempest articl apr infodev cam rja cam ross anderson write whugh lonestar utsa edu william hugh write idea that claim not work delet put your system insid faradai cage even build jim inform farm for addr phone finger ohio state univers jebright magnu ac ohio state edu jim ebright mail jre osu edu support privaci support encrypt
sci.crypt	wiretap realiti todai articl vuumdq mbeckman mbeckman mbeckman mbeckman mbeckman mel beckman write hoover thought constitut consid limit obei ruthlessli invad privaci privat and public citizen mel grad student seattl had chanc read hoover book master deceit and quot sentenc memori and bewar fellow american communist ordinari person mirror and true borut lavrenc mail ij lavrenc stefan institut internet borut lavrenc ij univers ljubljana phone ljubljana slovenia pgp public kei request dolgo smoi kali ovraz nikei njihk ocnoo dkril ivseb ipika
sci.crypt	wiretap realiti todai david sternlight write perspect order cannot you can make claim hard evid abus you ignor stori survelli martin luther king you block your mind mccarthi crusad number court order wire tap pretti low and illeg wiretap perform funni that fbi doesn statist confidenti inform illeg wiretap karl barru ele menudo edu prefer address barru tree egr edu nextmail karl barru ele menudo edu prefer address barru tree egr edu nextmail
sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm articl shockwav win net jhupp shockwav win net jeff hupp write nsa charter forbid pure domest intellig work that even provid assist develop skipjack algorithom violat that charter intrench govern agenc will exped law and direct bear subject for exampl nation comput secur act specif direct nb sic work nsa develop secur standard for civilian feder comput pick bill cpsr org includ report describ and legisl histori includ concern nsa involv note that nsa specif charg run nation comput secur center quot aforement report nsa will work industri dod comput secur center develop secur standard for privat sector us not good idea nsa tinker thi pretti legal btw come develop cryptosystem two choic nsa help develop case can crack not can nsa didn case can crack and
sci.crypt	sdoti odi santarosa edu scott doti write csrc ncsl nist gov becom machin ftp ing info csrc ncsl nist gov ftp steve
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm restat and amplifi clipper extraordinari opportun for crimin conceal us super encrypt autom full system surveil mechan quit feasibl across radio bandwidth famili kei can valid clipper wrapper and esn associ cannot reveal realtim us super encrypt unit kei assur made two separ piec specif wiretap order serial number will bit block bit filler doesn lot check that correct
sci.crypt	tempest low radiat claim see monitor dai pertain allegedli harm electromagnet emiss not necessarili wtih tempest secur alleg hazard that anoth topic
sci.crypt	sensibl de bit error sensibl de encrypt data bit error data per bit will lost averag assum you correct kei for hint axel experi you you don you want systemberatung axel dunkel koenigsberg strass kriftel germani mail cat voic fax
sci.crypt	lobbi and articl transfer stratu cme ellisun stratu carl ellison write don you forgotten gener paper mail had mail congress written letter haven written turn write paper such complic job for hook cool internet postmast for mail address printer paul
sci.crypt	clipper not good for govern articl rdippold qualcom rdippold qualcomm ron asbesto dippold write discuss recent whether govern onc exempt us screw comp dcom telecom lesreev attmail subject odd end new clipper chip devic introduc yesterdai not suitabl for govern us hous telecom subcommitte chairman markei letter commerc secretari brown markei ask whether us technolog lead inadvert increas cost compani hope serv govern and privat market markei order brown answer question secur and cost concern april commun daili thi stupid won cost compani hope serv gov and privat market don us technolog doug bank privat system divis dougb ec comm mot motorola commun sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg illinoi dougb casbah acn nwu edu
sci.crypt	encrypt chip avail articl aej cmuvm bitnet aej cmuvm bitnet write articl ofpppc iui andrew cmu edu stephen ludwick andrew cmu edu compani that manufactur encrypt chip for sale gener public you can pointer greatli appreci motorola make don you bui you bui secur radio you bring encrypt chip countri doug bank privat system divis dougb ec comm mot motorola commun sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg illinoi dougb casbah acn nwu edu
sci.crypt	dorothi den oppos clipper capston wiretap chip articl apr eff org mnemon eff org mike godwin write articl agora rain jhart agora rain jim hart write secur system depend secreci kei and not secreci algorithm dorothi den cite sourc dorothi den cryptographi and data secur addison weslei page head cryptosystem satisfi gener requir two effici and eas us michael mauldin carnegi mellon univers
sci.crypt	sensibl de bit error cat axel dunkel write sensibl de encrypt data bit error data per bit will lost averag assum you correct kei depend mode you for singl bit input block bit error will percent chanc corrupt each output bit word essenti turn output block into random number you encrypt data cbc mode bit block will affect block and that follow will decrypt properli good idea kind error correct your system corrupt bit like todd
sci.crypt	illeg transmit encrypt data awar restrict impos munit act export cryptograph technolog illeg transmit encrypt data anoth countri law appli thi situat georgel neosoft georg livsei visual whirrl pea net worth
sci.crypt	keep your mouth shut hard drive secur articl apr midwai uchicago edu smk quad uchicago edu steve kramarski write read thread post add phil infom discuss caveat amend appli crinial case person compel crimin case wit you wrong amend seiz safe contain your paper record and demand that you produc combin applic defens ground unreason search and seizur polic entitl subpoena document relat specif matter broad search such impli impound your record unconstitut case safe locksmith and assert that examin document cover warrent cryptograph case resort rubber hose cryptographi thi make good mental experi us choos escrow agent you trust thi propos agent kei your hard disk half kei for that matter robert eachu standard disclaim us standard disclaim function messag text clever idea return idea
sci.crypt	articl access digex net steve access digex steve brinich write second question such strang procedur us and not real rng thi turn kind bottleneck for system secur theori that make sens that and for chip vari possibl that break encrypt brute forc plow serial number billion multipli number combin suppos that and can reconstruct unit kei gener singl batch sort plaintext attack suppos that chip program each session never find into commerci product end suppos folk can determin unit kei physic access chip folk can determin and for batch supposit yeah pat
sci.crypt	clipper chip realist for govern detail encryt algorithm secret intend us evid wiretap court won defens attornei attempt obtain detail method prosecut attempt present evid wiretap court that such attempt will fail jame shearer
sci.crypt	pgp jeff hupp jhupp shockwav win net wrote facin thing heard pgp encrypt program version thi program that run window do unix sourc thi writ unix access and run nifti window implament uucico moment pgp execut format for do and mac and sourc code for platform includ unix ftp site copi mac version get hard find site soda berkelei edu pub cypherpunk pgp jon jon savil aliv can thou art jk brunel poet not thy dream keat pgp public kei request finger
sci.crypt	clipper and confer call curiou clipper chip system handl confer call depend encrypt system long kei can for exampl vat internet audio tool for confer call and encrypt session site work and didn cpu for didn sound that good site you us black box word don public kei work session kei agre prior convers and distribut site and stu iii doug bank privat system divis dougb ec comm mot motorola commun sector dougb nwu edu schaumburg illinoi dougb casbah acn nwu edu opinion not reflect motorola think shape form
sci.crypt	hear april articl ojm cjh new net tmplee ti theodor lee write articl tenneyc hqh netcom glenn tennei tennei netcom write interest understand that april markei will hold hear question rais thi letter follow hear dedic clipper chip that not definit glenn for post that surpris notic that question expect ask not form strong encrypt clipper made illeg speak awar whether that question ask knowledg offici spokesperson for govern not mention dozen place report easili miss you solid answer question legal strong cryptosystem refer weasel word plan futur etc noth that strong crypto will not outlaw heard not verifi that crime bill congress languag that requir escrow kei that will regard system unapprov for public us strong cryptosystem not trivial broken govt escrow kei cannot readili chang read us permit folk special connect govern agenc terrorist tool drug dealer tool not outlaw specif ad civil forfeitur power and clever word effect outlaw for intent and purpos for idl specul for don care hit crypto effect outlaw specif outlaw class crypto system for exampl crowbar hammer screwdriv and such can regard burglar tool pretti whim author base primarili individu possess car etc not trade that make routin us tool manner legitim gov definit for strong crypto softwar system and caught find possess terrorist tool word not work for corpor extrem sensit commerci data that warrant fed opinion strong secur govern agenc and secur work relat data not person data will like nail thi discoverd person desir for privaci will not regard legitim you want such strong secur legitim law enforc individu legitim endeavor not concern govern not busi reveal your person secret public you conceal plan conceal unlaw crimin activ you hide hmmmm expect that initi will peopl select random happen troublemak for purpos make exampl for fed not thi mega ask privaci will respons that constitut for privaci spell such argument us abort debat you not secur that legitim law enforc cannot break suggest clipper press releas thi nutshel find extrem frighten not for crypto system thi case for precid will set lai groundwork for futur eros privaci escrow safe deposit box kei master kei combin for privat own safe and not cannot make end run inconveni part constitut law cannot easili declar unconstitut specif law simpli minor extens rico statut wod polici simpl polici decis gun regul batf polici decis convers fed agent gonna seiz your home your comput your car your bank account you don undress and give yer cloth you floppi yer pocket connect your acquisit transport and us terrorist tool and drug dealer tool part wod terror unnerstand decent american subject nobl note not accus you wrong your home comput car bank asset connect wrong hous transport and fund terrorist tool civil matter heh heh had thi tip grin constitut protect individu right not appli arrest taint properti not you evil grin you deposit bond hire attornei and court prove innoc thi properti that not terrorist tool and prove not drug dealer tool ahead problem that your bank asset seiz car comput home job and your limitless resourc you run into minor practic difficulti grin that damn ballist exactli logic tip that your home us store drug note trace drug found properti bozo will yup store stuff that dude hous year sentenc for deal cost effect walk bust anoth dai and hit jackpot your asset disclaim note that not lawyer and can base specul read heard told past civil forfeitur case and us augment budget assort agenc cooper folk want left alon not put riski situat area deni meaning polic protect and mean even pretend defend quit common back east nyc west peopl choic cower govern boot cower threat piss drug deal gang banger helpless case dude drop dime you for gain fed want make exampl civil forfeitur hook point specul line typic and extens crypto and that fed regard inconveni reason and not not guarante govern promis ted lee trust inform system inc tmplee ti box minnetonka pat rwing prejudic ucc pat myrto seattl fail uunet pilchuck rwing pat wisdom two thing infinit univers and human stupid and not albert einstien
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm restat and amplifi articl apr wdl loral koontzd phobo lrmsc loral david koontz write clipper extraordinari opportun for crimin conceal us super encrypt autom full system surveil mechan quit feasibl across radio bandwidth famili kei can valid clipper wrapper and esn associ cannot reveal realtim us super encrypt unit kei assur made two separ piec specif wiretap order serial number will bit block bit filler doesn lot check that correct depend whether filler constant make check easi suscept replai variabl timer counter random make replai harder and can make easier for inquisitor miss messag sequenc interest thing that sort person care easi conceal super encrypt inquisitor ahold kei can not real time worst case escrow agenc provid kei local cop get side convers per warrant kei us for direct suppos capston version chip will insist prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	clipper and confer call articl shockwav win net jhupp shockwav win net jeff hupp write confer call not clipper encrypt system number design gener involv multi line cleartext bridg multi line cleartext bridg and you put that bridg isn receipt locat forget encrypt you blown secur you thought you had peopl encrypt confer bridg dai militari equival cia and embassi personnel put bridg recipi locat normal vault militari base mead and secur phone sound proof room big lock door talk classifi stuff golf gener that paradigm will chang start encrypt phone offic home carri normal convers dinner plan and stock purchas and meet schedul and technic info and good batch illeg frop that last weekend bob peopl don us sound proof vault and us bridg pbx local phone compani call long distanc ad phone compani allianc confer bridg clipjack us for radio portion cellular phone conferenc aspect don chang market nich for trust confer bridg provid suppos inquisitor blanket wiretap author for bridg case bad gui us servic prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	tempest articl apr infodev cam rja cam ross anderson write afraid thi doesn work can pick laptop screen problem call low radiat monitor useless descript turn market assert engin thought market for monitor not huge expens militari tempest kit shield stop eavesdrop receiv built prototyp work and sit lab bench commerci interest exactli absenc open standard monitor low radiat and cost dollar can compet monitor claim low radiat and extra cost product pretti blue sticker box ross heard can name sourc that tempest not necessarili pick crt can pick emiss almost chip that true kind monitor not make differ becuas screen can pick video control can verifi refut thi angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu btw opinion and not that entiti god full star dave don you compani epidem
sci.crypt	offici secret act usa new reader doesn copi subject header thi track thread peopl don strong crypto atom energi act expressli forbid think build nuclear devic grad school friend mine secur clearanc work defens for progress magazin found lot articl public domain remov local engin librari madison wisconsin lawyer state librari show that inform articl public piss local underground paper and publish articl had precensor fed that thi judg declar case moot atom energi act never test court discuss peopl familiar case time thi preemptiv claus us case peopl simpli felt and court toss case for intent and purpos govern precid for declar thing classifi publish work star war thi happen clearanc work and develop method for track particl beam good classifi longer allow work friend canada boat develop method comput strip cross section subject classifi not allow present paper confer publish open journal problem get wierd wierd turn pro fed can want whenev feel and will make rule sinc mass media can differ joke and real thing ranch appocolyps for waco massacr don count spread word loss freedom govern can make strong crypto illeg sinc govern not obei rule patienc persist truth realiti dvader hemp imi hep anl gov mike home mrose igc org
sci.crypt	citat for electron cash paper deepli grate for citat paper electron cash scheme enquir mind eric weaver soni avtc river oak pkwy chief engin kfjc foothil colleg lo alto hill
sci.crypt	build softwar cryptophon for internet dougla craig holland holland colost edu wrote articl demon graham toal gtoal gtoal write articl jqu sol ti mjr ti marcu ranum write such thing develop that interact internet talk radio ideal gener purpos devic gener purpos devic that balk widespread us make easi for homebrew us pretti common hardwar don move even mass set thi ibm clone sound blaster and bi modem compon wide concur for version for interact thing internet talk radio make cring amount hog such thing bandwidth internet mean meg file get float for internet talk radio bad solut us phone system your electron and us point point convers phone and that you secret and import wouldn make sens write concis and quick us code word and spend your twenti cent good analog system shortwav telephon and us don gunk nice digit packet network emul baxter baxter
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm articl apr ulyss att smb research att steven bellovin write issu clipper whether not architectur scheme capabl work answer signific except that nsa and nist design thi scheme can assum that real object state permit wiretap carefulli control circumst minimum risk abus except that exist chip program diskett that wrong and load chip separ disagre and don claim answer obviou found reason suffici persuas that forc rewrit conclus section technic analysi paper had origin blast scheme issu thi invit assum that you charg implement such system complet regard for civil right and due process you differ answer thi question accept nsa fundament assumpt that strong cryptographi outsid and abil wiretap domest user you feel challeng assumpt context last issu present below discuss technic aspect and don mean claim that can steve sketch altern that address object clipper scheme notat concaten exclus messag encrypt kei messag decrypt kei hash digest signatur messag import valu local chip unit kei escrow agenc remot chip unit kei escrow agenc serial number local chip serial number remot chip number escrow agenc session kei agre extern thi protocol famili kei not secret protocol choos such that remot chip for comput remot chip for send remot chip and receiv remot chip comput note that remot chip for and user data encrypt decrypt kei assumpt trap door and not invert algorithm for and secret softwar implement bogu chip commun real chip chip support oper return load return return return load comput return return program into chip can determin destroi chip can not determin destroi chip thi not true realiti suppos determin chip program sophist rai machin for blown fuse program independantli escrow agenc note for tap escrow agenc and return lea contact escrow agenc serial number chip and encrypt partial kei thi agenc record that chip tap lea session kei not kei convers chip thi preclud real time decrypt convers that isn state requir observ order for secur tap commun scheme work activ part share secret and thi secret reveal commun that secret can made tap obviou candid cryptograph algorithm and master famili kei rel size and complex suggest that kei can obtain silicon implement scheme lot easier and faster algorithm rsbx raymond brand rbrand usasoc soc mil
sci.crypt	onc tap your code good articl edu uni ac edu shaen bernhardt write you won appl signatur finder featur not hasn releas for you evalu appl smart and had aoc us hash encrypt rsa pkc signatur even pkc compliant for you not wait releas and hard inform pass judgement aoc algorithm aren secret appl fascist aoc remain secret for appl demo macworld simpli not flaw and not you can you quit impress and expect disappoint amanda walker intercon system corpor
sci.crypt	govern intent encryptoion articl commun week april issu state definit that not justic depart reviv wiretap bill find forc kei registr clipper obviou thrust exactli thi direct dorothi den quot thi missiv commun week april page read and peev folk act lose your fundament privaci clinton shown that interest thi abort and not citizen secur paper and effect karl denning karl genesi mc you can never data line bankrupt live internet chicago mcsnet
sci.crypt	hear april articl rwing pat rwing pat myrto write person desir for privaci will not regard legitim you want such strong secur legitim law enforc individu legitim endeavor not concern govern not busi reveal your person secret public you conceal plan conceal unlaw crimin activ you hide hmmmm you underlin battl that fought battl for heart and mind american public peopl realiz that govern not fit father confessor govern not share thought moment decid share that thought distanc order protect ourselv govern bent undermin constitut realiz that govern enemi not soviet union thi hard for peopl brought loyalti govern cast synonm patriot expect that initi will peopl select random happen troublemak for purpos make exampl for fed not thi mega vigil and make that not such event unprotest will fight govern step that damn ballist exactli logic tip that your home us store drug note trace drug found properti bozo will yup store stuff that dude hous year sentenc for deal cost effect walk bust anoth dai and hit jackpot your asset time roll back thi nonsens civil forfeitur effect end run constitut that promulg enemi us soviet govern smg
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm restat and amplifi articl apr wdl loral koontzd phobo lrmsc loral david koontz write clipper extraordinari opportun for crimin conceal us super encrypt autom full system surveil mechan quit feasibl across radio bandwidth famili kei can valid clipper wrapper and esn associ cannot reveal realtim us super encrypt unit kei assur made two separ piec specif wiretap order serial number will bit block bit filler doesn lot check that correct extra encrypt appli messag encrypt clipper that wrapper fine phone serial number and session kei law enforc field etc messag wouldn readabl even clipper kei obtain escrow agent fact shouldn even detect that messag doubl encrypt court order
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm restat and amplifi articl wc apr rainier att wc anchor att bill stewart write easi conceal super encrypt inquisitor ahold kei can not real time worst case escrow agenc provid kei local cop get side convers per warrant kei us for direct suppos capston version chip will insist impress read den descript clipper oper that session kei us direct for encrypt messag text that each chip kei for encrypt session kei into law enforc field you kei for phone involv decrypt messag direct
sci.crypt	overreact onc tap your code good articl apr rick dgbt doc jhan debra dgbt doc jerri han write articl edu uni ac edu shaen bernhardt write text delet quit honest thing call defens never advoc not you advoc second thought and calm smart warrior defeat enemi ambush battlefield smarter warrior defeat enemi open warfar battlefield smartest warrior defeat enemi battlefield thesi sun tzu point call good militarist make oppon lost contact front and back line lose reliabl larg and small group lose mutual concern for welfar social class lose mutual accomod ruler and rule lose enlist soldier lose coher armi into action advantag stop not todai sit your hand will you thi battl jerri han crc doc div behaviour research jhan debra dgbt doc opinion and opinion proud and frozen member mighti warrior band memori left ring ear genesi uni ac edu uni ac edu public kei finger and request public kei archiv pgp public kei pgp iastat edu sovereignti sign brutal past fight clinton wiretap chip crypto not crime
sci.crypt	write clinton articl transfer stratu cme ellisun stratu carl ellison write read sci crypt alt privaci clipper and comp org eff talk discuss clipper chip and find usual that alik lot repitit each messag clinton net net effect mcimail white hous thi white hous mail address work post such address compuserv month ago appar white hous wasn set reciv hundr thousand messag dai that account and didn want peopl us thi mci address peopl white hous read anoth craig shergold stori don ask peopl white hous print and distribut thi mail dai you luck print letter paper that flat white stuff desk and snail mail white hous imagin write your local repres and senat wouldn hurt heck not write gore you greg greg brail citibank gjb fig citib
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sci.crypt	write clinton mcimail white hous thi white hous mail address work post such address compuserv month ago appar white hous wasn set reciv hundr thousand thi real address understand current process that mail take get download floppi disk and process retire volunt match messag messag profil and check messag count yeah that for gai militari thi clipper stuff gai militari higher volum white hous email stuff work for fact won onlin for anoth month two soonest understand that link speed will increas direct internet compu erv floppi messag process will remain peopl white hous print and distribut thi mail dai you luck print letter paper that flat white stuff desk and snail mail white hous imagin write your local repres and senat wouldn hurt heck not write gore you white hous email read agre that print and send you can visibl messag process fit messag templat case mjr
sci.crypt	illeg transmit encrypt data articl gbx sugar neosoft georgel neosoft georg livsei write awar restrict impos munit act export cryptograph technolog illeg transmit encrypt data anoth countri law appli thi situat law perspect you engag illeg speech not illeg us encrypt nsa allow listen you not oblig make easi for countri repress law that gather franc bureaucraci you and soviet union didn law make thing illeg paranoia follow for you want plai safe fact that nsa listen affect your willing us wimpi crypto technolog affect your willing us technolog that violat rsa patent you us pgp nsa rsa that you and secret servic catch decid that mere fact that rsa hasn file lawsuit you doesn mean that you don deserv your comput confisc for patent violat munit law violat espionag monei launder drug import and creatin disturb and not give back you violat patent even had drop charg unlik that nasti steve jackson had gall not guilti prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	tempest articl apr lynx dac northeastern edu angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu kiril shklovski write articl apr infodev cam rja cam ross anderson write afraid thi doesn work can pick laptop screen problem heard can name sourc that tempest not necessarili pick crt can pick emiss almost chip that true kind monitor not make differ becuas screen can pick video control can verifi refut thi that true tempest noth magic listen electromagnet emiss and analysi techniqu you separ interest stuff nice thing crt that us put lot signal easi detect and you your sync carefulli you can watch output monitor your decept mark chevi step van brand electr typewrit even wors case nice get you data user stuff page algorithm page disk etc newer quieter equip isn signal and harder isol fun part tempest rate equip lower signal level vibrat master chuan prai for peac bill bill stewart wc anchor att bell lab holmdel jersei work cyberspac white hous commect line fax
sci.crypt	dorothi den oppos clipper capston wiretap chip apr eff org mnemon eff org mike godwin write articl agora rain jhart agora rain jim hart write secur system depend secreci kei and not secreci algorithm dorothi den cite sourc cryptographi and data secur page perhap
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sci.crypt	tempest articl apr lynx dac northeastern edu angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu kiril shklovski write articl apr infodev cam rja cam ross anderson write afraid thi doesn work can pick laptop screen problem call low radiat monitor useless descript turn market assert engin thought market for monitor not huge expens militari tempest kit shield stop eavesdrop receiv built prototyp work and sit lab bench commerci interest exactli absenc open standard monitor low radiat and cost dollar can compet monitor claim low radiat and extra cost product pretti blue sticker box ross heard can name sourc that tempest not necessarili pick crt can pick emiss almost chip that true kind monitor not make differ becuas screen can pick video control can verifi refut thi thought laptop can read not quit easi normal crt thought airlin pilot complain laptop us flight mess plane instrument thi can hype manufactur start build laptop even lower emmis pick surveil equip thi point lot cheaper mask remain signal tempest techniqu doug holland doug holland freedom holland colost edu speech will pry pgp kei mail cold dead lip
sci.crypt	implement diffi hellman kei exchang you us number larger bit you want includ randomli gener bitstr your protocol thi find share kei you and anoth person us dai won guess for dai send mod and random string send mod and random string find mod mod share kei calcul session kei hash share kei you will want make that you get public kei mod power intercept and chang messag can oterwis spoof you send you public kei and acquir session kei each you john
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm articl apr microsoft gideoni microsoft gideon yuval write person attack stop prof den repli issu substanc real harm debat and david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
sci.crypt	comment clipper for public write articl clipper for network world for comment and opinion that can quot scheme implic for secur and privaci accept and oversea etc hope thi balenc articl opinion quarter catch that your name and compani affili will print tight deadlin finish thi wednesdai night call mail respons bruce
sci.crypt	rush read mail apr henson wwu edu henson wwu edu sean dean write idea compuserv mail address compuserv ken jongsma smith industri jongsma swdev grand rapid michigan compuserv
sci.crypt	trojan hors clipper gentlefolk that step take warrant telco wiretap stinki red her don you love anim metaphor each phone broadcast serial number chip not syntact aim reciev gener direct todai target and us serial number identifi session want and chip number end convers even kei thi great for traffic analysi can wai learn serial number intend effect clipper elimin awkward busi get telco cooper risk get caught act your allig clip erect thi handi you and btw explain scrambl serial number cheer marc marc thibault marc tanda isi org autom architect ci oxford mill ontario canada freenet
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sci.crypt	organ lobbi for cryptographi articl apr new clarkson edu dwight tuinstra write great slogan readi sign crypto lobbi effort wouldn want nra offshoot push for cra cryptograph right amend frozen north you wors nra involv kindr problem larg number voter attitud and lot fund ethic constitut viewpoint haven good argument for cryptograph right that doesn support nra posit gun and vice versa cheer marc marc thibault marc tanda isi org autom architect ci oxford mill ontario canada freenet
sci.crypt	overreact onc tap your code good articl apr rick dgbt doc jerri han write smart warrior defeat enemi ambush battlefield smarter warrior defeat enemi open warfar battlefield smartest warrior defeat enemi battlefield two revers judg roi bean
sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm articl raeir access digex net steve access digex steve brinich write thi easi job nsa suppos develop cryptosystem govern choos ahead and sell cryptosystem mass develop cryptosystem specifici design protect govern domest spy capabl take that mandat into forbidden field domest wiretap nsa will not wiretap actual wiretap will conduct fbi capabl for thi provid nsa that limit charter realiz thi fine point and differ thi opinion don care for clipper and won support us don nsa overstep bound david conrad mind not for rent god govern cat talk conferenc network comput conferenc and file archiv bp bp bi turbopep user us login pursuit citi code midet mail address dave michigan
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm restat and amplifi articl apr random cc northeastern edu rogu cc northeastern edu free radic write will thi fed kei phone escrow you warrant tap line phone fed escrow fine kei rogu neu edu rogu agent sod thi fed listen into mafia head druglord terrorist bb sysop convers don probabl for tap fed tap fed enemi state fed kei can claim that phone us tap line associ instrument individu state effect tap possibl not admiss war drug except ammend listen tap phone charl mattair work mattair synercom hounix org standard disclaim home cgm elmat synercom hounix org matur societi civil servant semant equival civil master robert heinlein notebook lazaru long
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sci.crypt	tempest articl apr lynx dac northeastern edu angel foghorn leghorn coe northeastern edu kiril shklovski write heard can name sourc that tempest not necessarili pick crt can pick emiss almost chip that true kind monitor not make differ becuas screen can pick video control can verifi refut thi attend hohocon will attest you can pick inform video chip surprisingli easi gui portabl minor mod work feet demonstr rogu neu edu rogu agent sod nsa fund research not cryptographi area advanc mathemat you circular describ research opportun pick your phone call your mother and for
sci.crypt	basic crypto requir order formul ration posit cryptographi polici accept set list basic requir propos start point algorithm publicli and record surviv attempt expert find weak system implement make verifi that advertis algorithm fact that us kei quickli changeabl user and suffici length and complex defeat brute forc search futur note that requir not incompat form kei escrow system issu byte describ exampl encrypt system can implement manner consist requir requir that part kei escrow order public kei list central distributor
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sci.crypt	code for crypt encrypt for public domain and export code for encrypt noth elabor that will satisfi market unix platform jerri natowitz guest user arpa jin ursa major spdcc ima harvard rayssd linu spdcc jin
sci.crypt	birthdai attack recent messag post bob silverman refer birthdai attack cryptosystem for refer and explan thi type attack paul
sci.crypt	tempest apr random cc northeastern edu rogu cc northeastern edu free radic write attend hohocon will attest you can pick inform video chip surprisingli easi gui portabl minor mod work feet demonstr convent for santa clau imperson elabor enquir mind second and jar left want peter
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sci.crypt	code for crypt encrypt articl apr spdcc jin spdcc jerri natowitz write for public domain and export code for encrypt noth elabor that will satisfi market unix platform you can find you for hundr site worldwid anonym ftp nic funet finland pub unix bsd net lib libc gen crypt thi includ sourc code for fulli function de encrypt and decrypt that public domain code export don make your judgement obviou regard hamrick
sci.crypt	illeg transmit encrypt data wc anchor att bill stewart write fact that nsa listen affect your willing us wimpi crypto technolog affect your willing us technolog that violat rsa patent you us pgp nsa rsa that you and secret servic catch afraid disagre you that point nsa will not rsa dod entiti that eavesdrop reveal that includ fbi and secrect servic rare except
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sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm articl raeir access digex net steve access digex steve brinich write thi easi job nsa suppos develop cryptosystem govern choos ahead and sell cryptosystem mass develop cryptosystem specifici design protect govern domest spy capabl take that mandat into forbidden field domest wiretap unlik cia nsa prohibit domest spy read bamford puzzl palac bruce that book and read side convers unit state cour that ass me that nsa plai rule jeff hupp internet jhupp shockwav win net medowglen apt contract program novel houston texa network design and support voic goven doesn
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sci.crypt	happen export restrict violat chinet chi schneier chinet chi bruce schneier write articl apr yuma acn colost edu holland colost edu dougla craig holland write heard lot talk nsa infam control encrypt export itar question develop thi great encrypt system and want sell softwar worldwid thought polic come and thi algorithm threat nation secur you will not permit export thi point kind troubl into itar and sold program intern custom doug holland you arrest intern arm traffick thing itar never test court concensu appear you arrest intern arm traffick you state law paragraph suggest you violat law court itar thrown incompat amend court rule that softwar technic data not subject itar court rule that phrase publicli defin itar appli make subject requir gener export licens you prosecut successfulli for arm traffic espionag gener concensu lawyer read itar that two occur arthur rubin rubin dsg dse beckman work beckman instrument brea mcimail compuserv arthur pnet ct person opinion and not repres employ
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm restat and amplifi articl strnlghtc ifd netcom strnlght netcom david sternlight write brad yearwood post long respons issu regist phone clipper relationship doesn wash recal that law enforc get court order tap suspect phone call figur line tap record stuff clipper read law enforc block extract serial number and kei court order difficulti such phone instrument phone line introduc that wouldn exist absent clipper crook us pai phone clipper govern figur listen and clipper convers serial number and kei crook us innoc person clipper phone tap line problem fed don care phone instrument us that convers suspect tap line serial number kei and busi clipper chip person associ need david david sternlight great care ensur accuraci inform error and omiss except
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sci.crypt	summari sensibl de bit error you for fast respons special repli lexic order marcu ranum mjr ti paul crowlei pdc dc pausch saaf paul schlyter tarnold vnet ibm todd arnold wc anchor att bill stewart question sensibl de encrypt data bit error data per bit will lost averag assum you correct kei de encrypt data affect depend us encrypt mode marcu ranum mjr ti cfb cipher feedback mode ecb electron code book mode cbc cipher block chain mode ofb output feedback mode each mode stuff ofb and cfb design for commun stream for file unfortun peopl strongli disagre mode will lead destruct data that mode will resync quit fast will never will even effect block summar peopl thi matter cbc mode current block will affect tarnold vnet ibm todd arnold you us cbc cihper block chain remaind data will destroi pausch saaf paul schlyter cfb mode de synchron quit fast block maracu ranum mjr ti happen mode nevertheless you axel dunkel includ respons tarnold vnet ibm todd arnold cat axel dunkel write sensibl de encrypt data bit error data per bit will lost averag assum you correct kei depend mode you for singl bit input block bit error will percent chanc corrupt each output bit word essenti turn output block into random number you encrypt data cbc mode bit block will affect block and that follow will decrypt properli good idea kind error correct your system corrupt bit like todd pausch saaf paul schlyter articl cat you write sensibl de encrypt data bit error data per bit will lost averag assum you correct kei byte data will destroi bit encrypt data error you us cbc cihper block chain remaind data will destroi de seisit for singl bit error thi paul schlyter swedish amateur astronom societi saaf nybrogatan stockholm sweden internet pausch saaf paul crowlei pdc dc sensibl de encrypt data bit error data per bit will lost averag assum you correct kei bad you lose rest data stream you want safeti drop bit us error correct coder freewar gnu ecc paul crowlei pdc dc trust fold fish for jesu wc anchor att sensibl de encrypt data bit error data per bit will lost averag assum you correct kei depend mode you de electron code book ecb take block input bit and produc output bit bit chang entir block bit becom bad forget feedback mode result encrypt block affect block mode system synchron error repair block mode onc block bad block will bad frame problem you bit chang block that and block chang you bit lost bit ad bit bit confus that marcu ranum mjr ti depend mode you cfb for exampl synchronis pretti fast figur bit error will destroi current block and mjr experi you you don you want systemberatung axel dunkel koenigsberg strass kriftel germani mail cat voic fax
sci.crypt	clipper consid harm restat and amplifi brad optilink brad yearwood write articl apr lehman pmetzger snark shearson perri metzger write you haven read inform system chip put serial number infom into cypher stream identifi system not reli regist peopl own phone unit propos let accur object not presum and not read system not reli regist peopl own phone unit phone unit like us for suspect crimin commun you can obtain unit kei escrow big deal you legitim law enforc agent and legitim wiretap order you listen line for minut serial number and order and escrow agenc you notic crimin phone instrument your valid wiretap order escrow agenc serial number thi opportun for abus law enforc that not discuss oppos clipper mechan simpl and easi understand rest your articl base larg seri fals premis predic notion that thi simpl act imposs feel free presum you that you not understand mechan propos argu that terrorist will kill peopl for clipper phone silli pointless let alarmist show problem perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
sci.crypt	overreact onc tap your code good jhan debra dgbt doc jerri han write articl ren apr stimpi imsi ren imsi ren troost write thi giant balli thi clipper chip notic disturb trend mail and post toss back and tendenc part peopl hide head sand never advoc hide sand advoc peac solut peac solut you want blood your hand mention violenc you han you imagin thing perri metzger pmetzger shearson laissez fair laissez passer mond lui meme
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sci.crypt	encrypt algorithm articl shockwav win net jhupp shockwav win net jeff hupp write articl raeir access digex net steve access digex steve brinich write delet unlik cia nsa prohibit domest spy read bamford puzzl palac bruce that book and read side convers unit state cour that ass me that nsa plai rule thing that ambigu whether signal echo geosynchron orbit unit state assess whether nsa plai rule requir know rule subset for even suspici surveil organ blacker nsa bryan allen bryan devvax jpl nasa gov telo corp jpl
sci.crypt	dorothi den oppos clipper capston wiretap chip secur system depend secreci kei abil tap inher insecur depend fundament secreci algorithm spell peopl miss point algorithm publish creat chip work correctli skipjack chip not kei regist technic mean ensur kei escrow govern maintain secret kind for exampl secret privat kei escrow agenc digit signatur requir kei us thi case nsa nist decid that protect entir algorithm easier cheaper secur protocol kian tat lim ktl wag caltech edu geni lim materi molecular simul center caltech henri spencer left margaret puckett signatur fan
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sci.crypt	dorothi den oppos clipper capston wiretap chip articl allen allen allen barrett ethridg write apr eff org mnemon eff org mike godwin write articl agora rain jhart agora rain jim hart write secur system depend secreci kei and not secreci algorithm dorothi den cite sourc cryptographi and data secur page perhap that two sourc full quot follow dorothi den cryptographi and data secur addison weslei page cryptosystem satisfi gener requir enciph and deciph transform effici for kei system easi us secur system depend secreci kei and not secreci algorithm enciph deciph mike mike godwin ariel rose godwin mnemon eff org born cambridg pound ounc inch long eff cambridg citizen electron frontier
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